Dear genshin lore, please stop contradicting yourself, you're making me paranoid. Sincerely, Aster, someone who immediately got anxiety seeing Ayato's dialogue vs the description in Kuronushi's likeness. also i realized that i was talking fast a little too late. fun fact, this is actually my regular talking speed outside of recording
I remember how zhong li mentioned several time about story/history change through the narrative of the story teller, as the one that witnessing the events, I kinda knew why daddy zhong loves to amuse him self listening to different version of his own story at third knock around. The superlative narration also mentioned in Noelle's hangout story. It is interesting watching this kind of multiple narration in game
It can be seen clearly in his first story quest. When he's debating with some historians about facts from Rex Lapis, they're pretty convinced that what they're saying is true because their research lead to it. And these are not uninteligent people, these are scholars with years of study and experience.
I think the lore is meant to mimick how in real life we have many historical documents and other sources, but they are biased, unfull and often plain untrue - that's where the contradictions and uncertainties come from. It's fascinating, and also fucking impossible to figure out.
When the siblings finally get together: - Lumine: Do you understand now, brother? - Aether: Not really... Teyvat story is really confusing - Lumine: DAMN, I thought you might explain to me - Aether: *sigh* let's just buy some pizza and try piecing it together
Awesome video! And because I always feel the need to add my five cents: A very good example of narrative unreliability is the story of Decarabian's fall. We have bits of the story, from various sources. And yet, while they do paint something of a cohesive narrative; everything beyond that remains so very uncertain. An example: why did the people of Mondstadt rebel against Decarabian? We are told it was because he was a tyrant, and trapped everyone behind a wind barrier. Yet Gunnhildr's grandfather left old Mond. And we are also told that Decarabian was kind. Decarabian had a lover. And the world outside that wind barrier was inhospitable and cold. In game we have two ways into the city; one marked with symbols of the Lawrence clan (a founding clan of new mond), and one marked with the symbols of Decarabian. And what does Ceclia garden have to do with the Lawrence clan? And why did Decarabian build a high road up towards Pilos Peak? What even happened to Decarabian? Where is the corruption a dying or sealed god should create? (does that even exist or is Xiao simply mistaken?) Venti supplies us with a simple narrative that collapses under closer scrutiny, and proves to be a story; told about events of the past by the greatest storyteller of them all.
IMO, Genshin's lore is compelling precisely because it's delivered through stories told by Teyvat's people--it's what happens in reality, and fragmentation and contradicton (and intentionally altering or falsifying documents/recounts/testimonies/etc...) are exactly what happens with history in reality. I'll even g a step further and say that this is how a fantasy world story should be seen in-universe. From a meta perspective, I wouldn't say that it's just to create buildup (in fact, this degree of fragmentation isn't really necessary for buildup). The uncertainty leads players to fill in the blanks with their own stories (the human brain can't stand information void and WILL try to fill it and erase uncertainty), and especially assign certain motivations to past actions or to why characters would say certain things (guessing other people's intentions is something the brain just *loves* doing), even though that might be contradicted at some point. It's what makes every player's experience quite unique, and the point of strength of the Soulsborne games narrative formula (down to hiding stories in item descriptions and visual storytelling). Even though Genshin made things more explicit, probably as to not entirely lose people, but falls a bit in the opposite camp for certain aspects (like the artifically verbose dialogues that can feel like thinly veiled exposition).
The most unreliable narrator of Genshin is in my opinion the books, which is funny since lore buffs tend to take everything as true until contradicted. We see this in Amber's children book first; Barbatos couldn't have taught birds how to fly, it's just a parable/fable. Zhongli and Xiao have called Rex Incognito and the yaksha book "fanfiction". And while some parts of yaksha lore are confirmed, we don't know for sure what parts of the yaksha cutscene will get Azhdaha'd later in Chasm part 2. Every book about Orobaxi before Enkanomiya lore was wrong or propaganda. We're taking Before Sun and Moon as the true genesis of Teyvat and it's just a matter of time (pun unintended) before something gets refuted. This is fun to me since it's like mythology and history irl, but I also feel frustration like you. We don't even know if those 5 yaksha power rangers were real, but here we are figuring out if Bosacius is electro yaksha from the Chasm/Vermillion set or geo yaksha from the cutscene, for instance, and it drives me MAD
As someone that studied storytelling in games and media and narrative theory, thank you for this!! I found genshin's storytelling and lore execution extremely fascinating where each fragmented piece is always told in a different perspective unlike some other games from an omnipresent and all knowing 3rd party, I'm always confused by what is true and what is not and I'm living for it!!
Even the game itself, about the Characters you have, have some kind of really abrasive story telling but a lot of Character's Voice Lines and even Events show multiple Layer of depth to the characters too. Keqing is very considerate to the ones close to her. Xingqiu acts like a Righteous, Arrogant prick but he has the worst hand-writing and seem to loathe doing Heavy Manual Tasks himself as he's more on Brain. Kazuha doesn't Detest the Shogun because it was his Friend's choice to confront the Shogun herself, but he doesn't turn a blind eye from the Vision Hunt Decree and he let his inheritance be given in the end as he wanted to live a Traveler himself. Eula is just keeping a Facade behind her rash motives, but when it comes to a child who doesn't know about her, she let it slide as he doesn't know about Eula's Heritage or the Lawrence Clan. They outright contradict snippets in the Voicelines and even the characters respectively without making it opposing. Qiqi remembers and outright hates Hu Tao despite her efforts to make up for it and Gorou can't forgive the Shogun and Ei's action after the Vision Hunt Decree yet deathly afraid of her Familiar; Yae Miko. This as an example tells you not everything is not what it seems, which makes obtaining said characters more special, they add more to the narrative in the past, present and even future content. While I despise Shenhe's Father, she doesn't have any ill will against him and even then, the father itself causes more harm than his Daughter and ended a lot of lives in his own selfish deed. While Shenhe herself fought for her life, not knowing she saved a lot of people before hand without knowing or even has Pure Evil in her. She learned, from Cloud Retainer herself, that her powers can save others despite what she is. Even Yun Jin, who wanna play and enact Shenhe's life without knowing the Girl in the Tales she's planning to sing about was right beside her all along, in which she wanted to rewrite to story to respect her privacy. But Shenhe refused and let Yunjin the Story as is and refined it after the Main Quest in honor of defending Liyue and prove once again Liyue is now on capable hands by Humans and the Adepti are now confident Liyue doesn't need their protection anymore but there to watch over.
so basically from what we got until today, we could assume that genshin lore was built up following a certain theory, which is Narrative Paradigm? not just a simple "A to Z linear storytelling" but more story within story? to be honest on my opinion, thats cool. like, really cool. i could imagine if every lore on genshin implemented into quest so we could get the truth of the story, it will sustain the longevity of the game, story-wise, and quest update-wise
In my opinion, Kingdom Hearts franchise also follows that idea, though its more tedious since it involves understanding their main/side/mobile games. Union X, which is the prequel before the entire story, final chapters drops a lore bomb that changes the entire pesepctive of the entire story, in a heartbreaking way.
I like this form of story telling, it really suits Genshin's open world exploration theme. It would honestly suck if all these stories fit together perfectly, I honestly wouldn't come back to double check things if the storytelling ended up being fragmented yet linear.
Me too. I think I wouldn’t be so interested in the lore and theories if everything was given to us at once. Then there wouldn’t be much space for theories
Sometimes I wonder if the God blocking our path, is actually from the future and once we finally reunite with our sibling we attempt to leave the world only for the events to start all over again and that’s our journey is figuring out that we’ve been stuck in a loop
I discovered my love of lore Through a DnD channel running multiple campains at once in the same world over the course of several years. Seeing veteran players freak out at the mere mention of a mundane word and newbies unknowingly interact with potentially world ending forces while slowly putting the pieces together as a viewer was an awesome experience. When it abruptly crached down and burnt to the ground I started playing Genshin to pass the time and the lore of the game is facinating. I particularly enjoy spotting small or obscure refferences in quest dialogue and item descriptions, I just wish so much lore wasn't time gated behind events.
I knew that Aster would go mad upon discovering about Scaramouche's life as Kunuzusushi and is connected with the Kaedehara clan, and by proxy Kazuha. Everything returning full circle.
I have recently really been comparing the difference in storytelling methods used between genshin and honkai, honkai is bombastic, epic, has a plotwist about every hour of gameplay and lets you play all the backstories. While genshin is slow, methodical and based in realism... not saying either is better, its just really interresting that they are so drastically different
I like it! I really like this meta-look at how you go about theorizing and why you do it, and it's also cool how organic the writing is too! Great video as always, Aster!! :D
i mean, it makes sense that the archons do not have the ability to freely grant visions, or they could grant them to entire armies that they then might use to attack celestia, so celestia grants them to avoid this
That's actually accurate to real life history. It's used for political reasons, passed down by oral tradition (which can be changed based on the person personal biases), many writings lost or either alter because of the people's ideals or believes, artifacts destroyed from many things back in the past. Etc,
Yea, the lore and often the story itself is quite incoherent, especially for more or less casual players, seeing anything even slightly bellow the very top layer of the writers intentions is nearly impossible. Genshin suffers from simply being the type of game it is, having to consistently keep players engaged by new characters, locations and plotlines means that there is little to no time to flesh out stuff properly, its usually relegated to side media, if that. This is one of the things that bug me the most, in games like this in general, not just Genshin. For many people understanding the story and characters is crucial and the writers need to do everything in their power to make it so their intentions get across, if it doesnt for majority its simply their failure and poor writing. I remember when FF XIII came out, aside for the comments about it being hallways simulator, many considered its story to be incredible convoluted and incomprehensible, especially when coupled with its sequels, I spend hours reading up on wiki and eventually came to adore the story for its intricacies, but the opinion of majority still stands and its a testament to the poor ability of the writing team to tell their story. Its the same here, even if the script writers rely on excuses such as unreliable narrator, and yes, I do think that in this case its simply and excuse, much like its an excuse in case of wow for example, the main issues are simply meta, its because of the type of game it is and I can only hope that they will find ways to cope with it because otherwise the story will become more and more fragmented and the experience more and more confusing for anyone not following and aware the lore and story they have in their books and artifact lore and such or outside media, its already suffering now and its at the point where the new player experience is so much worse than others that its insane to me. I like Genshin a lot, but I do not have the trust in the team that they will be able to continually pull this together even if they have the overarching plot down, at the moment its still more or less fine, but I think it will continue to get worse and worse and unlike you I dont believe all this to be fully intentional at all, its simply mistakes on part of the developers in many cases. That being said, when it works, it works great and there are some super awesome moments, in general its a great ride.
- hey, aster! i just wanted to say that your content is very enjoyable, and quite interesting to watch! it really pulls me in even after the first few seconds and i can’t stop watching your content! i always look forward to watching your latest videos, and when you do post something new i always rush to the kitchen to hoard my snacks up, bc a plate full of junk and chill with aster content is a w for me, lol. i’m looking forward to future content that you create regarding the sumeru storyline and their characters (especially cyno, il dottore, and definitely collei!) and i hope you keep posting up until then! ily!
have anyone notice that the first crown heir's crown from the battle pass cutscene is different from the crown which is shown being corrupted ofcourse mihoyo (now hoyoverse) cant do such a mistake also what mountain is it in the background (I probably am just overthinking it all but its worth a shot I guess)
One question I have that's adjacent to this...with all of the stories of this world's history, and with how we're already becoming a notable figure in the world where we are even featured in multiple written stories so far...why aren't there any featuring our sibling?
can you please explain the last event (where scaramouche appears) ? I don't understand it and why was the baladeer s appearance important for this part of the game?
*Long story short;* Before knows as the Balladeer or Scaramouche --- he was simply a wandering eccenctric. The reason why his appearence is so important because his actions caused negative consequenes on Inazuma's culture and history, and by extension causing the fall of the Kaedehara Clan and affecting the Kamisato clan. He claimed the name Kunikuzushi (Destroyer of Countries) as way to proclaim his own identity, and hunted down the bladesmith families as way to avengence his friend, and give a message to the Ei (Raiden Shogun) This all plan by Yae Miko, but it was Ayato who planted those poems to guide Kazuha --- and guide him towards to discover what really happened to his clan.
Ok but fr this made me think about D&D and TTRPG lore narratives. Obviously the DM has their own "canon" lore, but PCs are constantly encountering NPCs and are often given little direction on what is true and what isn't. Sure, you can roll an insight check, but there's a chance you get absolutely nothing from that person. I feel like Genshin has similar traits; if only you could roll insight checks on npc and pcs lol.
Worst thing is huge ammount of dialgue are not saved in the archive (chasm *cough* dragonspine tree) and some texts, notes, scripts are scattered all around the map. Wiki is probably better than the archive.
Imo, the Lore will also fall mainly to Alice, she is a long time friend of Rhine that was deemed as Great Sinner who tried to take over Teyvat but faily because Celestia stopped her however they were not able to kill her, then she made Albedo then Alice helped Albedo to be part of the Favonious 😧. I have a very bad feeling that Alice and Rhine will again FLIP the entire continent of Teyvat, I cant even tell if they are good people or not sheeshh.
Genshin’s storytelling is pretty much like Dark soul series and bloodborne, in my humble opinion. The the clues of the world building scattered in all around and you have to find them to sum up a story line. I can see mihoyo well learned their way of storytelling and did its own way.
Sci-fi and non-fantasy lores are so simple, I only have to read mission reports, news articles, audio logs of mad scientists and deal with 2 or 3 points of view
How i played genshin, if it's archon quest tap the autoplay button and just let the story play, maybe fight here and there. Everything else not archon quest? Speed run through the dialogues then watch genshin lore youtuber to see what you missed :)
about the vision thing, i do think celestia wants vision holders to believe the archons give them out. its like a false sense of freedom/blessing because to the people, celestia is just there to watch over them and the archons are the rulers, the ones that set laws in place and protect their nation from dangers. the average person doesnt realize that celestia is the one who pulls the strings in the background. i think the only reason why celestia is feared by the average person is because of the cataclysm; its a recent major part of history that cant really be covered up so easily. it seems that religion/beliefs in teyvat are based around the archons, especially in mondstadt, not celestia. celestia is more regarded as the "heavens", something higher than the archons but not considered all powerful.....that is until they rain down the wrath of the the gods upon an entire nation that reshapes the entire world. who knows if celestia has done this before and was long forgotten?? was that how the abyss, light, and vishap realm came to be in the first place?? was is once all one realm and then celestia destroyed that singularity?? did the cataclysm shatter that fragile connection each realm has even more?? is that why mutation of khaenri'ah's people truly happened?? through a curse and the destruction of a fragile balance between realms? and if another cataclysm had happened before khaenri'ah, is that why we only just now found ruins of a civilization older than khaenri'ah in the deepest parts of the chasm??? OMG so many things have come to mind after the chasm update and this lil rant is one of my most random collection of questions ive gathered myself XD sorry for the bother lmao
that how the world work. people have different opinion, different belief, different perspective. like in west view comunist china is evil while most chinese people think different that how real life works and that why i love genshin lore fragmantation isn't new for anime story most famous is one piece ,god oda build up one piece story from long years ago and just drop lore bomb in recent years
(Mi)HoYo(verse) is making genshin into its own fantasy world, not a fantasy story. You are collecting clues through random notes, people, books, and relics of the past, as well as excepting the fact that some of these might be unreliable, particularly the people you speak to. The annoying thing is, it makes it so difficult to get a cohesive outlook that way.
I suspect Hoyo intentionally fragmented the lore partly to encourage content creators like you. If things were, frankly, more well written, we wouldn't have all these vibrant lore communities. Same with combat. ICD, elemental gauge etc. theres no proper tutorial, and it drove lots of theorycrafting and audiences to watch guides. Very sneaky and efficient way to build hype, while buying time for them to properly flesh out the story in events/quests, and get away with saving dev resources cos the community does its work for them.
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Dear genshin lore, please stop contradicting yourself, you're making me paranoid.
Sincerely, Aster, someone who immediately got anxiety seeing Ayato's dialogue vs the description in Kuronushi's likeness.
also i realized that i was talking fast a little too late. fun fact, this is actually my regular talking speed outside of recording
I actually like this talking speed more. Atleast for me. I get distracted way less.
this talking speed is much better for me as well
You seem like the best person to chat with during break times in school >w
The talking speed felt better to me as well; it was still clear and understandable to me. Very fun video as well!
The fact that I can hear your voice while reading this makes me wonder how many times I watch your videos already
I remember how zhong li mentioned several time about story/history change through the narrative of the story teller, as the one that witnessing the events, I kinda knew why daddy zhong loves to amuse him self listening to different version of his own story at third knock around. The superlative narration also mentioned in Noelle's hangout story. It is interesting watching this kind of multiple narration in game
It can be seen clearly in his first story quest. When he's debating with some historians about facts from Rex Lapis, they're pretty convinced that what they're saying is true because their research lead to it. And these are not uninteligent people, these are scholars with years of study and experience.
I think the lore is meant to mimick how in real life we have many historical documents and other sources, but they are biased, unfull and often plain untrue - that's where the contradictions and uncertainties come from. It's fascinating, and also fucking impossible to figure out.
I agree, especially when you think of how literature used to be told orally before it was eventually written down.
@@gabrielamayorga-kintanar6729 central asian nomads:Ehe.
When the siblings finally get together:
- Lumine: Do you understand now, brother?
- Aether: Not really... Teyvat story is really confusing
- Lumine: DAMN, I thought you might explain to me
- Aether: *sigh* let's just buy some pizza and try piecing it together
At this point I’m conviced. If we want it to be more accurate, they’re gonna go get KFC (KFC wings)
classic sibling move, get your sibling to find the answer for you, be it asking mom for a snack or getting the deep lore of this world.
@@arcaean155 more like DMFC Diluc's Mondstadt Fried Chicken brought to you by Timmie's Pigeons won't be coming back.... Just like Daddy
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Awesome video!
And because I always feel the need to add my five cents:
A very good example of narrative unreliability is the story of Decarabian's fall. We have bits of the story, from various sources. And yet, while they do paint something of a cohesive narrative; everything beyond that remains so very uncertain.
An example: why did the people of Mondstadt rebel against Decarabian? We are told it was because he was a tyrant, and trapped everyone behind a wind barrier. Yet Gunnhildr's grandfather left old Mond. And we are also told that Decarabian was kind. Decarabian had a lover. And the world outside that wind barrier was inhospitable and cold.
In game we have two ways into the city; one marked with symbols of the Lawrence clan (a founding clan of new mond), and one marked with the symbols of Decarabian.
And what does Ceclia garden have to do with the Lawrence clan? And why did Decarabian build a high road up towards Pilos Peak?
What even happened to Decarabian? Where is the corruption a dying or sealed god should create? (does that even exist or is Xiao simply mistaken?)
Venti supplies us with a simple narrative that collapses under closer scrutiny, and proves to be a story; told about events of the past by the greatest storyteller of them all.
IMO, Genshin's lore is compelling precisely because it's delivered through stories told by Teyvat's people--it's what happens in reality, and fragmentation and contradicton (and intentionally altering or falsifying documents/recounts/testimonies/etc...) are exactly what happens with history in reality. I'll even g a step further and say that this is how a fantasy world story should be seen in-universe.
From a meta perspective, I wouldn't say that it's just to create buildup (in fact, this degree of fragmentation isn't really necessary for buildup). The uncertainty leads players to fill in the blanks with their own stories (the human brain can't stand information void and WILL try to fill it and erase uncertainty), and especially assign certain motivations to past actions or to why characters would say certain things (guessing other people's intentions is something the brain just *loves* doing), even though that might be contradicted at some point.
It's what makes every player's experience quite unique, and the point of strength of the Soulsborne games narrative formula (down to hiding stories in item descriptions and visual storytelling). Even though Genshin made things more explicit, probably as to not entirely lose people, but falls a bit in the opposite camp for certain aspects (like the artifically verbose dialogues that can feel like thinly veiled exposition).
The most unreliable narrator of Genshin is in my opinion the books, which is funny since lore buffs tend to take everything as true until contradicted. We see this in Amber's children book first; Barbatos couldn't have taught birds how to fly, it's just a parable/fable. Zhongli and Xiao have called Rex Incognito and the yaksha book "fanfiction". And while some parts of yaksha lore are confirmed, we don't know for sure what parts of the yaksha cutscene will get Azhdaha'd later in Chasm part 2. Every book about Orobaxi before Enkanomiya lore was wrong or propaganda. We're taking Before Sun and Moon as the true genesis of Teyvat and it's just a matter of time (pun unintended) before something gets refuted. This is fun to me since it's like mythology and history irl, but I also feel frustration like you. We don't even know if those 5 yaksha power rangers were real, but here we are figuring out if Bosacius is electro yaksha from the Chasm/Vermillion set or geo yaksha from the cutscene, for instance, and it drives me MAD
As someone that studied storytelling in games and media and narrative theory, thank you for this!! I found genshin's storytelling and lore execution extremely fascinating where each fragmented piece is always told in a different perspective unlike some other games from an omnipresent and all knowing 3rd party, I'm always confused by what is true and what is not and I'm living for it!!
Even the game itself, about the Characters you have, have some kind of really abrasive story telling but a lot of Character's Voice Lines and even Events show multiple Layer of depth to the characters too. Keqing is very considerate to the ones close to her. Xingqiu acts like a Righteous, Arrogant prick but he has the worst hand-writing and seem to loathe doing Heavy Manual Tasks himself as he's more on Brain. Kazuha doesn't Detest the Shogun because it was his Friend's choice to confront the Shogun herself, but he doesn't turn a blind eye from the Vision Hunt Decree and he let his inheritance be given in the end as he wanted to live a Traveler himself. Eula is just keeping a Facade behind her rash motives, but when it comes to a child who doesn't know about her, she let it slide as he doesn't know about Eula's Heritage or the Lawrence Clan. They outright contradict snippets in the Voicelines and even the characters respectively without making it opposing. Qiqi remembers and outright hates Hu Tao despite her efforts to make up for it and Gorou can't forgive the Shogun and Ei's action after the Vision Hunt Decree yet deathly afraid of her Familiar; Yae Miko. This as an example tells you not everything is not what it seems, which makes obtaining said characters more special, they add more to the narrative in the past, present and even future content.
While I despise Shenhe's Father, she doesn't have any ill will against him and even then, the father itself causes more harm than his Daughter and ended a lot of lives in his own selfish deed. While Shenhe herself fought for her life, not knowing she saved a lot of people before hand without knowing or even has Pure Evil in her. She learned, from Cloud Retainer herself, that her powers can save others despite what she is.
Even Yun Jin, who wanna play and enact Shenhe's life without knowing the Girl in the Tales she's planning to sing about was right beside her all along, in which she wanted to rewrite to story to respect her privacy. But Shenhe refused and let Yunjin the Story as is and refined it after the Main Quest in honor of defending Liyue and prove once again Liyue is now on capable hands by Humans and the Adepti are now confident Liyue doesn't need their protection anymore but there to watch over.
so basically from what we got until today, we could assume that genshin lore was built up following a certain theory, which is Narrative Paradigm? not just a simple "A to Z linear storytelling" but more story within story?
to be honest on my opinion, thats cool. like, really cool. i could imagine if every lore on genshin implemented into quest so we could get the truth of the story, it will sustain the longevity of the game, story-wise, and quest update-wise
In my opinion, Kingdom Hearts franchise also follows that idea, though its more tedious since it involves understanding their main/side/mobile games. Union X, which is the prequel before the entire story, final chapters drops a lore bomb that changes the entire pesepctive of the entire story, in a heartbreaking way.
I like this form of story telling, it really suits Genshin's open world exploration theme. It would honestly suck if all these stories fit together perfectly, I honestly wouldn't come back to double check things if the storytelling ended up being fragmented yet linear.
Me too. I think I wouldn’t be so interested in the lore and theories if everything was given to us at once. Then there wouldn’t be much space for theories
Sometimes I wonder if the God blocking our path, is actually from the future and once we finally reunite with our sibling we attempt to leave the world only for the events to start all over again and that’s our journey is figuring out that we’ve been stuck in a loop
I discovered my love of lore Through a DnD channel running multiple campains at once in the same world over the course of several years.
Seeing veteran players freak out at the mere mention of a mundane word and newbies unknowingly interact with potentially world ending forces while slowly putting the pieces together as a viewer was an awesome experience.
When it abruptly crached down and burnt to the ground I started playing Genshin to pass the time and the lore of the game is facinating.
I particularly enjoy spotting small or obscure refferences in quest dialogue and item descriptions, I just wish so much lore wasn't time gated behind events.
by dnd do you mean arcadum?
@@ambermoon6563 Yep
@@Bxz_3492 sighhh there were so many campaigns I was looking forward to from there 😔
I knew that Aster would go mad upon discovering about Scaramouche's life as Kunuzusushi and is connected with the Kaedehara clan, and by proxy Kazuha.
Everything returning full circle.
I have recently really been comparing the difference in storytelling methods used between genshin and honkai, honkai is bombastic, epic, has a plotwist about every hour of gameplay and lets you play all the backstories. While genshin is slow, methodical and based in realism... not saying either is better, its just really interresting that they are so drastically different
I like it! I really like this meta-look at how you go about theorizing and why you do it, and it's also cool how organic the writing is too! Great video as always, Aster!! :D
i mean, it makes sense that the archons do not have the ability to freely grant visions, or they could grant them to entire armies that they then might use to attack celestia, so celestia grants them to avoid this
i think i will make a video in the near future of mythbusting and judging different sources/charecters on their reliability
That's actually accurate to real life history.
It's used for political reasons, passed down by oral tradition (which can be changed based on the person personal biases), many writings lost or either alter because of the people's ideals or believes, artifacts destroyed from many things back in the past. Etc,
Thank you Aster for the lovely analysis of story telling in Genshin Impact!
Yea, the lore and often the story itself is quite incoherent, especially for more or less casual players, seeing anything even slightly bellow the very top layer of the writers intentions is nearly impossible. Genshin suffers from simply being the type of game it is, having to consistently keep players engaged by new characters, locations and plotlines means that there is little to no time to flesh out stuff properly, its usually relegated to side media, if that.
This is one of the things that bug me the most, in games like this in general, not just Genshin. For many people understanding the story and characters is crucial and the writers need to do everything in their power to make it so their intentions get across, if it doesnt for majority its simply their failure and poor writing. I remember when FF XIII came out, aside for the comments about it being hallways simulator, many considered its story to be incredible convoluted and incomprehensible, especially when coupled with its sequels, I spend hours reading up on wiki and eventually came to adore the story for its intricacies, but the opinion of majority still stands and its a testament to the poor ability of the writing team to tell their story.
Its the same here, even if the script writers rely on excuses such as unreliable narrator, and yes, I do think that in this case its simply and excuse, much like its an excuse in case of wow for example, the main issues are simply meta, its because of the type of game it is and I can only hope that they will find ways to cope with it because otherwise the story will become more and more fragmented and the experience more and more confusing for anyone not following and aware the lore and story they have in their books and artifact lore and such or outside media, its already suffering now and its at the point where the new player experience is so much worse than others that its insane to me.
I like Genshin a lot, but I do not have the trust in the team that they will be able to continually pull this together even if they have the overarching plot down, at the moment its still more or less fine, but I think it will continue to get worse and worse and unlike you I dont believe all this to be fully intentional at all, its simply mistakes on part of the developers in many cases. That being said, when it works, it works great and there are some super awesome moments, in general its a great ride.
- hey, aster! i just wanted to say that your content is very enjoyable, and quite interesting to watch!
it really pulls me in even after the first few seconds and i can’t stop watching your content!
i always look forward to watching your latest videos, and when you do post something new i always rush to the kitchen to hoard my snacks up, bc a plate full of junk and chill with aster content is a w for me, lol.
i’m looking forward to future content that you create regarding the sumeru storyline and their characters (especially cyno, il dottore, and definitely collei!) and i hope you keep posting up until then! ily!
the fact that we get more scara lore
hyv always loves us i knew it
have anyone notice that the first crown heir's crown from the battle pass cutscene is different from the crown which is shown being corrupted ofcourse mihoyo (now hoyoverse) cant do such a mistake also what mountain is it in the background (I probably am just overthinking it all but its worth a shot I guess)
Always appreciate your videos. I do not have the time nor discernment for the lore. I explore, and you help me understand the connections.
I think one of the whooper flowers who replicate people was the little girl in that quest of the Chasm
One question I have that's adjacent to this...with all of the stories of this world's history, and with how we're already becoming a notable figure in the world where we are even featured in multiple written stories so far...why aren't there any featuring our sibling?
can you please explain the last event (where scaramouche appears) ? I don't understand it and why was the baladeer s appearance important for this part of the game?
*Long story short;*
Before knows as the Balladeer or Scaramouche --- he was simply a wandering eccenctric. The reason why his appearence is so important because his actions caused negative consequenes on Inazuma's culture and history, and by extension causing the fall of the Kaedehara Clan and affecting the Kamisato clan. He claimed the name Kunikuzushi (Destroyer of Countries) as way to proclaim his own identity, and hunted down the bladesmith families as way to avengence his friend, and give a message to the Ei (Raiden Shogun)
This all plan by Yae Miko, but it was Ayato who planted those poems to guide Kazuha --- and guide him towards to discover what really happened to his clan.
@@mariapazgonzalezlesme thank you so much ☺️☺️
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Another great vid
Ok but fr this made me think about D&D and TTRPG lore narratives. Obviously the DM has their own "canon" lore, but PCs are constantly encountering NPCs and are often given little direction on what is true and what isn't. Sure, you can roll an insight check, but there's a chance you get absolutely nothing from that person. I feel like Genshin has similar traits; if only you could roll insight checks on npc and pcs lol.
Worst thing is huge ammount of dialgue are not saved in the archive (chasm *cough* dragonspine tree) and some texts, notes, scripts are scattered all around the map.
Wiki is probably better than the archive.
I learn more stuff here than School. Thanxx Aster!!!
Imo, the Lore will also fall mainly to Alice, she is a long time friend of Rhine that was deemed as Great Sinner who tried to take over Teyvat but faily because Celestia stopped her however they were not able to kill her, then she made Albedo then Alice helped Albedo to be part of the Favonious 😧.
I have a very bad feeling that Alice and Rhine will again FLIP the entire continent of Teyvat, I cant even tell if they are good people or not sheeshh.
Genshin’s storytelling is pretty much like Dark soul series and bloodborne, in my humble opinion. The the clues of the world building scattered in all around and you have to find them to sum up a story line. I can see mihoyo well learned their way of storytelling and did its own way.
It reminds me of Dark Souls and Hollow Knight lore. But they also want a straight forward story, directly told.
A very nice break aster. Lasted what, a few days
Sci-fi and non-fantasy lores are so simple, I only have to read mission reports, news articles, audio logs of mad scientists and deal with 2 or 3 points of view
Ever watched evangelion?
How i played genshin, if it's archon quest tap the autoplay button and just let the story play, maybe fight here and there. Everything else not archon quest? Speed run through the dialogues then watch genshin lore youtuber to see what you missed :)
Ironic when the world quest are just better
about the vision thing, i do think celestia wants vision holders to believe the archons give them out. its like a false sense of freedom/blessing because to the people, celestia is just there to watch over them and the archons are the rulers, the ones that set laws in place and protect their nation from dangers. the average person doesnt realize that celestia is the one who pulls the strings in the background. i think the only reason why celestia is feared by the average person is because of the cataclysm; its a recent major part of history that cant really be covered up so easily. it seems that religion/beliefs in teyvat are based around the archons, especially in mondstadt, not celestia.
celestia is more regarded as the "heavens", something higher than the archons but not considered all powerful.....that is until they rain down the wrath of the the gods upon an entire nation that reshapes the entire world. who knows if celestia has done this before and was long forgotten?? was that how the abyss, light, and vishap realm came to be in the first place?? was is once all one realm and then celestia destroyed that singularity?? did the cataclysm shatter that fragile connection each realm has even more?? is that why mutation of khaenri'ah's people truly happened?? through a curse and the destruction of a fragile balance between realms?
and if another cataclysm had happened before khaenri'ah, is that why we only just now found ruins of a civilization older than khaenri'ah in the deepest parts of the chasm???
OMG so many things have come to mind after the chasm update and this lil rant is one of my most random collection of questions ive gathered myself XD sorry for the bother lmao
i like this format from you... you speak more fluid... i understand you better this way...
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that how the world work.
people have different opinion, different belief, different perspective.
like in west view comunist china is evil while most chinese people think different
that how real life works and that why i love genshin
lore fragmantation isn't new for anime story most famous is one piece ,god oda build up one piece story from long years ago and just drop lore bomb in recent years
No sleep day huh
Hey @Chill with Aster
What was the Ayaka cutscene from?
I am pretty sure it wasn't where it came, since Ayaka didn't have that cutscene?
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Her demo
Ayo could you slow down a bit?
There were some parts where I had to double back to understand/process what you were saying.
(Mi)HoYo(verse) is making genshin into its own fantasy world, not a fantasy story. You are collecting clues through random notes, people, books, and relics of the past, as well as excepting the fact that some of these might be unreliable, particularly the people you speak to. The annoying thing is, it makes it so difficult to get a cohesive outlook that way.
Hmmm of course... the Lore of Genshin Lore...
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I suspect Hoyo intentionally fragmented the lore partly to encourage content creators like you. If things were, frankly, more well written, we wouldn't have all these vibrant lore communities. Same with combat. ICD, elemental gauge etc. theres no proper tutorial, and it drove lots of theorycrafting and audiences to watch guides. Very sneaky and efficient way to build hype, while buying time for them to properly flesh out the story in events/quests, and get away with saving dev resources cos the community does its work for them.
seven archons = seven sins
Which one is lust? 😳😳
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If it's not a voice acted quest, I ain't reading it , I DON'T AND WON'T CARE
also if it's super ash long and not voiced, ABSOLUTELY NOT