What Was The Abyss Sibling's Journey? [Genshin Impact Theory]
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2022
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Actually, it started way before even the catastrophe happened. Lumine and Aether are from other world's civilization. I presumed that Lumine and Aether might help Kanreah developed its technology and knowing that Celestia is also from other world. It might be that Celestia has some conflict of interest with Lumine/Aether or their civilization.
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i keep wondering, what was the city above the cloud that we see in main menu and in opening scene. that does not look like celestia, so many towers.
Curious as to why you think the Twins homeworld has been destroyed?
Chapter 1: Act IV-A Soul Set Apart
@ Meet 'twin'
Traveler: Come with me, 'twin'! Let's go home!
or
Traveler: You can tell me all this later. Let's go home!
I read that as their homeworld/civilization still existing and that they have the power to return and are simply choosing not to until they finish their business on current world.
In addition, both twins display in dialogue, contemplation and secret/knowledge keeping as tactics, as well as possesing special sight. That is rushing headlong face first into the attacks of archons and gods, seems counter their character, unless they are invincible or able to infinitely respawn at some sort of elemental/magical/aetheric node and know it; as cannon lore and not just game mechanics.
I always feel like Lumine's journey started in Khanreiah and ended in Mondstadt, while Aether's started the other way around...
now this is something i can get by
Just like how Gold, Durin and albedo ending up in monstadt?
Makes sense why Venti says the journey matters more than the end result. Since Aether went in the opposite order his views will likely be far different from lumine so he can make up his mind to oppose her
@@CielTempest that's a good point seeing how the twins may have different idealism in the future that may make them oppose each other
i reckon this
celestia feeling threatened by the twins cause they're outlanders just like them, gives off the feeling of cronus (in greek mythology) eating his children cause he fears that they'll be a threat to his rule. except ofc the twins don't get eaten imagine if the unknown god just goes "outlanders your journey ends here *CHOMP* needs some salt." instead of sealing their powers 💀
THIS 😭😭
But they were needed for some reason because they weren't killed but were forcefully kept in
@@Gnidel you never know celestia might just be postponing them for dinner latet
@@Gnidel i also thought that, what is the sustainer also keeps resentment against celestia
Lmao don't remind me in greek schools we learn that in the 3th grade of primary lmao the book had pictures as well
I always think back to Venti's "hello" voice line where he says "Traveler, we meet again! What? You don't remember me?"
Did the Traveler meet Venti before and forget? Or did Venti confuse the siblings because he was drunk? Maybe Venti just screwing around because that's what he likes to do and it doesn't mean anything.
Well in the Manhwa for Genshin Impact, there was a panel where Venti is talking to Aether. Aether was just sitting on a rock. And I think the power that he had at the time seems to be Geo.
@Hoo-hoo Tao yeah it could be
But didn’t MiHoYo made Aether as their Traveler? They are doing that for promotion and marketing. Or maybe the panel in the manhwa is a part of the future. Since Venti seems to be telling Aether about Vanessa. Maybe in the Ludi Harpastum, we’ll get to talk to Venti again.
Hmm, maybe he does know of the other sibling , but mixes them up at that point, because in every BP reset Venti is the one talking about a kingdom among the heavens and two siblings journeys and how one is deceived into believing they ruled the kingdom of darkness. I'm still trying to understand why the genesis pearl story isn't ever mentioned or becomes relevant into some of these lore vids.
When we fought dvalin , venti carried us using the winds. He might be referring to that but I’m not really sure if he considers that a meeting
yeah Aether is the mc in terms of Genshin's traveler/mc, Lumine is the one that is abyss sibling like in this video, but both are still canon cuz people got mad lol
I think Lumine definitely journey after the cataclysm for this very small detail: in the opening cutscene before we chose which twins, Lumine is always the one to ask the Unknown God who she is. If Lumine had reached the end of her journey by that time, she would have known the truth of the world, and the identity of the unknown god.
I don't think the quote is anything significant, as either twin could've been the one closer to the abyss and the other a traveler. Because of that, it wouldn't make sense if Aether was the abyss sibling in this situation.
@@Eurasian_ if it is canon it should be true for either sibling is what I meant. If Aether is the abyss sibling, it would make sense for her to not know regardless of whether Aether had started his journey or not. But if Lumine is the abyss sibling and she has finished her journey, her not knowing is contradictory
Or she lied so there was no confusion with Aether
@@CielTempest That would still imply that a difference would exist in either version of the story outside gender. The only real way for the story to have the twins be interchangeable yet have Lumine say the line in this scene is that they have the same level of knowledge about the god.
@@Eurasian_ doesn't seem like mihoyo cares about gender equality all things considered. In the teyvat storyline trailer dainsleif talks about the flowers on Lumine's hair. If both were the same in mihoyo's eyes then dainsleif wouldn't really say this in the trailer. Almost all promotional material paint aether as the mc and lumine as the abyss twin.
But the OC comment is a bit of a long shot so we will see as the story progresses
I remember one of Dain’s lines when talking to the Traveler near Wolvendom. It sounded contradictory to the Traveler because Dain holds the archons in a bitter light yet he doesn’t want to commit the same mistakes his forbearers did. Could that be connected as to why Lumine see him as an enemy as well? I’m also kinda wondering since Lumine and Aether has their original powers very different from the elements of Teyvat, which is like them having otherworldly powers, I assume that Lumine may or may have not depended on the elements to gain her power as she never lost them in the first place other than being sealed away by the Sustainer while we see clearly in the beginning cutscenes Aether’s powers look like it had been sealed into the void and he states that in his opening line. I may be wrong but getting the elements from the statue of the seven is kinda like asking guidance from the Archons which Lumine wouldn’t want anything to do with due to her journey in Teyvat and her connections to Khaenriah. Venti would have noticed it as he did with the Traveler too.
Oh on a last note I remembered the beta (maybe the CBT) opening scene for Genshin which is actually quite darker because despite our Twin being taken from us, we were plunged into a series of nightmares throughout the duration of our slumber (might not be exactly right as how I remembered) but it kinda goes on to show how both twins suffered quite a lot by being separated from each other. One had to witness the fall of a nation they could call “home” while the other had to endure the loneliness of losing their only kin. QwQ sad...
1. For the dain lines in wolvendom I was thinking about it too! iirc the traveler also points it out that dain's contradicting himself
2. For the elements, I don't know either, all we know is that she has her elements now. Either it was never sealed in the first place, or she got them back through some way.
3. This is still in the game's lore ~ the traveler was plunged into a sleep that's filled with nightmares in their character story :D !
4. sibling lore when :(
You can find proof of the Traveler’s slumber and nightmares within the profile of the character!
THAT WAS A WHOLE ESSAY
It would be really cool if there was an arc later in the game where we get to play as the sibling we didn't pick, so that we can see firsthand what their journey was really like 500 years ago. It would also give people the chance to play as the sibling they didn't choose and have Dainsleif as the traveling companion instead of Paimon. Hearing your theory about the Abyss sibling's journey makes me very hopeful haha
I can see this as a possibility, if they want to extend Genshin Impact’s life span.
That way mihoyo wont run out of genshin content either haha
imagine at endgame having the normal sibling playable and the abyss sibling also playable with a special moveset
What’s odd is in enkanomiya one of the souls recognized the travelers clothes as someone likely from khaneria or some kind of correcting officer in enkanomiya (from what I remember) (and mind the terrible spelling lol). So we can infer that during the time enkanomiya was a thriving civilization, there were people whose clothes likely mirrored the travelers. Then add in the fact that back then tevayt was basically one huge civilization, and the travelers origins and eventual journey seem that much more confusing to me at least
Well not really one civilisation. There are still many cities and civilisations. But they all worship The Primordial One, Phanes. Since, they worship the same god, their festivals and some traditions will be the same. Infact, the world is more peaceful.
@@bunnyfuzzy7982 ah okay thanks for the clarification, I couldn't really remember if I was right or not lol
I may looking things too deeply but this is my especulation about Lumine's journey.
Upon looking at the opening act, unlike Aether, Lumine's powers weren't sealed away. If you look again at their fight against the Unknown God, if that Lumine never let go of her sword, nor see any power being sealed unlike Aether during then confrontation. Explaining why, during "We will be reunited" quest, she still posses her original power and sword ---- although more weakened since she has been sleeping for long time.
but i think thats just because whichever mc you choose drops their sword to reach out to the sibling while the abyss twin doesnt let go and gets trapped in the box thingy while holding their sword, idk if that really correlates to their power
if the Traveller ever come to face with choosing to take Dain's side or their Sibling's, I think they would take their Sibling's side. Think about it, who would you trust more? a super biased guy or your family member, someone you have been travelling from worlds to worlds for hundreds, possibly thousands, of years?
Also, the Twins likely knows about guns through their journey arcoss worlds
Me (an only child): *Chooses dain because he's got good vibes.*
About guns? Yeah probably from our world. It might be possible that they entered our world but left by saying "this world is shit lmao."
this is a joke
i wanted to side with my sibling as soon as she came out of the abyss portal smh
@@kisa4748 same.....I was like it's okay Aether i trust you....and then Dain and Paimon came 💀
And then comes the Chasm Archon quest, where you see the traveler and the abyss sibling have conflicting ideologies
Personally I can never believe that the abyss sibling would go on an entire journey themselves and just leave their twin laying in some ditch. Especially because it seems the twins can wake each other up, how else could the abyss sibling grab the traveler and tell them "we need to leave."
I am of the opinion that the abyss sibling woke up and went off to see what was around and found khaenri'ah. She walked around and experienced the people and left to go back for the traveler. Only to see the fall happen from a distance which gives us the clip of them running and stumbling over to the cliff where we can see the destruction the sustainer is dishing out.
Seeing this level of godly destruction she decides they need to leave which leads to the sustainer blacking the way and capturing the twins.
From there the abyss sibling does their journey with dain and decides to join the abyss. On dainsleif perhaps he betrayed khaenri'ah in some way which has lead to the hatred that the abyss sibling has for them. The betrayal could be that he exposed the goings and goals of khaenri'ah
What if the abyss sibling couldn't find the Traveler after the Unknown God took both away
lol stop.. u realize they are like what billions of years old seeing as they WATCHED STARS BE BORN AND DIE... if their stars function like real stars..
and they Travel from world to world... soooooo.. if anything this is NORMAL .. the land in meteor then they wake up...
countless worlds... for all we know is sometimes they wake up at the same time.. somes one wakes up first then wakes the other right away.. maybe one wakes up butt lets the other rest more.. like crazy.. to assume what said when that landing process and waking process is like a everyday thing to them .. if we consider their life span...
millions or billions of years...
how do u know that waking the otehr up doesnt have negative effects and only should be done in emergencies..?
and to they should wake up naturally like when they are READY TOO. .. if the worlds peaceful.. imma let ur ass sleep in ur meter till ur ready to wake up..
im not making any claims.. butt i just came up with multiple possible and logical reasons and i got more too.. xD
Wait, wait- I think i must have either gotten the time line wrong, or I’m just not understanding your comment.
So when the twins were leaving Teyvat, was it because they were fleeing something? Like the cataclysm? Or?
I always assumed that the twins were put to sleep sometime before the cataclysm. Doesn’t need to be long before, but just before shit really went down. I can’t recall if I remember “we were fleeing this world” being said, but seeing as no such thing is mentioned in the opening cutscenes I’ll assume not. Because of this, i was under the impression that the twins were just traveling worlds. Cause that’s what they do apparently. As they tried to leave, they’re stopped by an unknown god- we know this part.
THEN when they’re separated, Lumine (or the abyss twin) wakes first w/more memory intact unlike our current twin; unable to find Aether (ig you can link this to the lore of Starfall lake? It did say _a_ star fell there, if I remember correctly. So one twin ig).
She goes on her travels to regain her power (if she lost them to begin with, i could rant about this as well) and find her brother, becomes acquainted with Teyvat and its ppl (much like Aether now), gets entangled w/ Khaenri’ah, and then war and rebellion breaks out. She witnesses the fall of Khaenri’ah, is there before and after the cataclysm, and Aether is still sleeping beauty. After these events she may have eventually became the Abyss Order’s (after their forming) “princess”. 500 years or whatever later, Aether finally wakes up after being kept in a slumber for unknown reasons.
This was what i was getting, but idk if that’s what you were getting(?)
Please, if anyone sees this, feel free to correct or inform me of missing information😔
@@theSkin_of_a_Killer_Bella the traveler during the we will be reunited quest says that they were looking for books on kanreah. They wouldn't know about that unless it's something they were made aware of
Actually, it started way before even the catastrophe happened. Lumine and Aether are from other world's civilization. I presumed that Lumine and Aether might help Kanreah developed its technology and knowing that Celestia is also from other world. It might be that Celestia has some conflict of interest with Lumine/Aether or their civilization.
Celestia = Aliens
@@DavidBaronStevensPersonal travelers = aliens too
teyvat = planet, earth = exist
@@m0th161 i think teyvat is actually a continent
@@jon-gj4yy yeah most likely so
Imagine that when mihoyo finishes developing teyvat, that when you are done with the story of teyvat you can swap places with the other twin and do their stories. Nice thought, will take like 5-10 years tho.
It would be interesting to see things from our siblings point of view ngl
I feel that our journey as traveler is to find out the full truth and clear misunderstandings between the two/three sides(because lumine seems to put the archons and Celestia in the same pot and that may be wrong to assume as they too may had reasons to act in some ways or forced to; though ofc they also made mistakes too or poor choices, they're not perfect and won't deny that) and then maybe unite forces to remove Celestia. dain may not like the gods but he's not aggressive towards them either(?). makes me think(if he met them in the past and saw how they are) he maybe knows a little more of them than lumine. but that is just speculation on my part.
It could be possible that the waypoints we find everywhere, might be placed by Lumine and Dainsleif (idk his proper spelling sorry) since as we know, Khaenri'ah was an advanced nation so it is not impossible for them to make waypoints or teleporters.
And, I still don't know if Lumine has already journeyed through Teyvat, how come the Statues of the Seven are not lightened up?
I somehow feel like Liza would’ve known about Lumine if she’d passed through Mondstadt in the past, interacting with it’s people. Such things tend to be referenced at least somewhere.
Edit: besides, she’s a non-biased party, unlike the archons, so she’d not be bound by anything to hide this info from Aether.
Unless it was covered up and removed from historical records
@@TheCyberGoblin True, I agree. Although it's relatively hard to erase things that have once been written and published. We won't know until further story updates, I guess.
Part of the Moonstad's Library was lost due to a fire
@@Restributordevill "relavtively hard"??? A simple google search can lead you to hundreds or thousands of lost information throughout our history bc of natural causes or human intervention. Before the digital era it was extremely easy to get rid of information permanently lmao
Well if she was there 500 years ago, Lisa wouldn’t know about it because she wasn’t born yet.
🌸❤️It is going to be quite the scrumptious tale this day! MiHoYo has yet to really focus on Lumine’s (or Aether depending upon whom one chose) journey throughout Teyvat.❤️🌸
Regarding your bit about the Abyss and the Fatui teaming up, I can’t help but find it unlikely. At least, I do at the moment, and for one reason only. That being Childe’s Story Quest. In it, he states that the Fatui is just as much of an enemy to the Abyss as the rest of Teyvat. I just don’t see it possible for the Abyss to join forces with one of the entities that they’re actively trying to destroy, in the case the Tsaritsa.
I think It makes more sense for her to awake and knows Kaenriah than her traveling and learning about the reason of Cataclysm.
In we will be reunited, we learn that she was awake before Aether (we don't know how long) and that she woke up Aether so they can escape.
Also during the intro cutscene, the Sustainer of heavenly principle says "the arrogation of mankind ends know", while attacking them and more especially why is she watching Lumine this way? It's clear by her actions that she wants to ends Lumine while the only thing she did to Aether was to seal him back in Teyvat. I don't think that they were attacked simply for being foreigners coming into Teyvat, it's coincide literally at the same time the war happened, it's not a coincidence. What we see when Ather talks to Paimon in the intro is about what he saws, from his side of view. He only saw a glimpse of Teyvat when it was good, then slept once they arrived in this world, and woke up again to see that there was a war.
Also from the twins twitter intro cards: "Your motherland was doomed; palaces and cities fallen into dust. You should have been the person who owned and embraced the world. But, the last descendants of the extinct nation, please don't grief over these past moments"
"As long as your honorable purity and compassion remains unchanged, there will still be best partners to travel with you across the new world that all belongs to you"
"Welcome to the new World" - K.K
By these cards, maybe the twins are actually royalty in their own world, so maybe, they don't call her princess as a title she gains from Kaeriah/Abyss, but as a princess from another land.
A guess regarding why Dain is considered a traitor by the Abyss: he may have learned that his country was on the verge of causing a different, larger-scale cataclysm, and resolved to sacrifice his own people in order to spare the rest of the world by tipping off Celestia (or something similar). This seems to be in accordance with his cynical nature and the fact he seems to imply "the gods are bad, but the Abyss is worse". It resulted in hellish devastation that no witness (much less victim) would be able to forgive, even if they knew doing nothing would have resulted in a worse outcome for the world itself. The Abyss sibling would believe that "this was overkill" and "things could have been handled differently", and blame Celestia and Dain for the *means* rather than the *end*.
From a narrative standpoint, having factions share a common goal but advocate for opposite methods to reach it is a great way to generate conflict without falling into a "black or white" theme. It also allows for more plot twists as the (actually good) objective can be revealed much later than the (visibly evil) means.
Another possibility would be that he ran away from the fight after realising Celestia couldn't be fought against, but this idea doesn't explain why he'd actively fight the Abyss nowadays. He also didn't strike me as someone who would shirk his responsibilities for his own convenience. Finally, he'd be called a coward rather than a traitor.
I think we can also assume with confidence that he didn't betray his country for personal gain; otherwise, he wouldn't be in the position he's in, doing the things he's doing. He'd be enjoying the fruits of his betrayal, or hiding in a corner, not risking his life fighting something that wouldn't concern him at that point.
Old Mondstat’s fall happened before the cataclysm so the ruins remaining as they have for centuries makes sense
Dain didn't mean Old Mond's fall (Decarabian), he was saying Dvalin's fall. "When I was here, the Dragon of the East had yet to fall" (paraphrased, couldn't remember the actual line)
Yeah. Untill Alice made it more ruiny
I think Lumine's and Aether's meteor landed on two seperate locations because
1. If they were together in Khenriah traveler would have more information on Khenriah
2. According to traveler he woke up almost right before the the cataclysm and they fled immediately after
And
I think Lumine's journey would've been to find traveler instead for power, which would also explain her disappointment and hatrate towards Dain as she would've seen his strength and character before leaving teyvat 1st time
Her journey with Dain post cataclysm to find the truth doesn't make sense as only Lumine wasn't in Khenriah Dain was still there and whatever he did was during the destruction.
Also Kaeya might not have all the intel but I'm sure he has some/good enough info on the abyss as during the stormterror fight he stayed in the city and chatted with the abyss people who infiltrated Mond, he never says he fought them for the info or took care of them, just that he talked with them, not to mention he was the only told us about the abyss princess in the first place. I think he knows more then he's letting on
Also the old Mond ruins stayed mostly the same when Dain when Dain traveled there because Dvalin made its best there after Dvalin was curled most likely between 6 months before traveler's arrival as we know Varka would've left with a army at that moment making Mond's defense weak Also it doesn't make sense for Varka to leave mid crisis
When asked about his traveling companion Dain says "they don't travel anymore because they're sick" could imply two things
1, Last he saw Lumine was when she had lost all her power whi h would imply that they didn't travel teyvat post cataclysm
2. During the cataclysm Lumine might have caught some kinda disease or a curse of some sort
As for her recent appearance as the princess could be due to the fact that she was travelling alone and not only teyvat but she might have travelled through the Dark Sea as well and when she returned she had regain all of her powers
This isn't related to the video but recently I came across an NPC in Guili plains area on a watch tower who says not too long ago he saw someone with a similar Silhouette to the traveler
@xXLil_ShadowyXx that happens after we defeat stormterror and no I don't think she's watching us
"Not too long ago" meaning when he was alive hundreds of years ago lmao
"they don't travel anymore because they're sick"
I clearly remember this very differently. I remember the the response as: "She... no longer travels". It is Paimon that asks why: "..did she get sick or something?" Dain does not elaborate.
@@FrederickSkinner no i think he says "travelling can be exhausting " or something along those lines
Unrelated but i like how one of travellere's idle animations is them holding a constellation in their hand liek how the archons play with a cluster of their respective element
I'm start thinking that Lumine and Aether are not from Khaenriah neither, they're just fall there (Khaenriah), and when they wanted to leave Khaenriah, the unknown god suddenly appears,
But I'm not sure yet
mhm ! they're not from khaenriah - i think they're from something else entirely. there were some people saying it's project ark? (dont quote me on this i dont even know what project ark is but I've been seeing it on my comments :(( )
I wonder about one of thetraveler voiceline about different day and night time in tevyat, they day time is faster in tevyat than their world.
I remember about tevyat is a turned upside down world, can it be tevyat was an artificial world and abyss(khaenriah) is the real world? That's why the time between tevyat and abyss is different?
@@ChillwithAster Oooo
Interesting...
Can't wait for the future lore from Mihoyooooo
@@rakaneko4229 yea same tbh
Traveler and Paimon are kinda sus
No wonder scaramouche says sky and the stars are fake
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...I get the feeling we're on a cyclictic experience with each twin at the opposite end of the cycle.
10:52 Maybe Dainsleif betrayed the eclipse dynasty, by snitching to Celestia that the eclipse dynasty was using abyssal magic
I personally think that when lumine woke up, she decided to build a nation without a god, known as k’hanriah, for her and her brother to live in together, probably a recreation of their original home, but Celestina didn’t like this so they made the gods sign a contract to wipe it off the map, which is why they don’t talk about it anymore, because it was in the contract to not mention it. And also, the story of the heir in the battle pass cutscene might be the twins journey.
oh wow, catching this right on release. Keep up the good work!
in the newest nahida quest it was said that she lived with one of the fatuis, which could possibly mean that she was only in khaenriah and maybe just walked through every nation without doing quests. or maybe she wasnt in mondstadt and liyue considering that the other archons we met and will meet werent the archons at the time with khaenriah. we also know of a fact that she doesnt like the archons, maybe cause she never met them, and thought that the archons are just evil. after that she met dain and they travelled together, but they possibly never had communication with the archons (aether just had pretty much luck) and the people aether met during his journey werent alive then. after she became the abyss princess, she got part of teyvat since she had a big role of it.
i really hope you see this cause the fact that khaenri’ah is in “the dark sea” and the abyss is in monstadt cause yk how wind barriers are protecting something inside it, and once you get to the thing inside it disappears, after defeating stormterror the wind barrier around his lair never disappeared, and it shows that the destruction of khaenri’ah was around there, what if the thing its protecting is the ruins of khaenri’ah , since we know inazuma has an underground area (enkonomiya) and liyue also has one (chasm) it was never revealed of whats truly under stormterrors lair since if we try to plunge down it tp us back, and the wind barriers are still around, so my theory is that khaenri’ah is under stormterrors lair and the thing the wind barriers are protecting are the ruins of khaenri’ah, we also see that the corrupted statue was venti chained upside down, which could say that the abyss might not be where we think it is, if venti hadnt done anything to them why would they choose his statue, and why was it named ‘old monstadt’, what if old monstadt is another name for khaenri’ah
Lumine Journey could start at Khaenriah end in Mondstadt, it reverse from us. that's why they meet each other in Mondstadt.
I think the Abyss Sibling waking up a good 50-100 years or so before the Traveler would make sense. Alice bombed Old Mondstat because she thought it didn't look enough like actual ruins, so for Dainslief to say it hasn't changed last time he came suggests that they did visit quite recently. Buuut I'm not confident about the timeline of Alice's desecration of an ancient city though... was it during Varka's time as Grand Master or before?
50-100 years is also long enough for anyone who met Lumine and Dain on their travels to either forget about them or pass away. If she did meet the Archons on her journey, they would still not know where she is especially since she has a negative opinion on them so she would not keep in touch. Just spy on them as you would any enemy.
If the Abyss Sibling was an honored guest in Khaenri'ah, they would obviously come out with a very biased view of the 'truth'. Specifically seeking out more reasons to hate the Archons rather than seek to understand why they did what they did. Especially with Dainslief simply enforcing that "Gods are Bad." mentality.
Ah Okay now I get why the Abyss Sibling is extra pissed off with Dainslief. He agrees with a lot of their beliefs but has chosen a path that is detrimental/betrays those beliefs. Friends who had similar beliefs but end up taking different paths.
Still... I wonder if the Abyss Sibling is okay with doing to the Seven nations what Celestia did to Khaenri'ah? Are they really going to be okay hurting innocent civilians who has no say in where they were born? Or is their hatred so deep that anyone who sides with Celestia is an enemy to be punished? I have the feeling that Abyssal corruption is feeding into the Abyss sibling's negative emotions and amplifying it. Heck Abyssal corruption may have amplified the resentment within everyone in the Abyss Order. Both Celestia and the Abyss are both being shown to not be good for mankind and Teyvat over all, so its funny how the Fatui are the lesser evil in this case. Their the idiots because their fighting heaven and hell at the same time but to be fair someone has to or they'll all get deleted just cuz the seven nations got upgraded in the wrong stat so Celestia does a reset to try again. While the abyss just wants other people to suffer as they have like a crab.
I thought that what Alice bombed is the wind temple, don't know where it says she also bombed old mondstadt ? What's the source please ?
@@VileMr.Grinch Teyvat Travel Guide, Mondstat edition. The one we get from Lisa's quest. I could be wrong and misremembering/interpreting things so you should definitely double check to make sure.
This actually makes sense,
I mean If you look at Childe's lore, when he left the abyss he was a completely different person, more violent and having an urge to conquer the world.
Also the fact that the abyss can corrupt beings like Dvalin makes the whole thing way more complicated
Thanks for making my day with another vid Aster! Cheers
Dainsleaf can also manipulate ruin guards just like Lumine
Best lore channel! Thx for making hours of Reading into a comprehensive video! I can't imagine all the work that goes into the making of a video like this!
PS: i love the "element and the concept of ..." Series i'm really looking foward to the next videos!!
This is my point of view:
Our sibling who witnessed the fall (and maybe the reason) of Khaenriah alongside us ( because the Traveler has memories of the cataclysm), told us that we should leave but encounters the Sustainer. When the Traveler first woke up in Teyvat, it is indicated they have traveled around for several months before encountering Mondstadt. This could mean that both the twins woke up at the same time but in different places.
In the duration of those few months, our sibling could have been establishing their position in the Abyss as Prince/Princess. But why? I first thought that our sibling had initially wanted to leave Khaenriah when it first fell, not wanting to go against the gods the same way Dainsleif wanted. My thoughts are that between the duration of when we were captured by the Sustainer, and then the corruption of Dvalin, our sibling's mindset was changed and made the decision to join the Abyss and go against the gods.
"-show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her."
This could mean our sibling was corrupted or perhaps deluded. I find a lot of the knowledge we found out to have very big gaps, and are sometimes contradictory.
As for when Dainsleif was travelling with our sibling, I'd like to think they travelled across all of Teyvat including Khaenriah and departed with each other after the cataclysm.
I'd put more but I can't think of anything else at the moment. :P
the fact that your voice is so calm while storytelling makes this even better
Thinking about immortality , it doesn't feel like a curse that you would do to a person you hate the most . Assuming celestia was the person that "cursed" Dain with this . Maybe Dain exposed khaenriah to celestia but only the higher ups . Dain seems to not hate celestia but doesn't like them too . I feel like he blames himself/celestia and khaenriah in the cataclysm . He sees everyone as the guilty perhaps . He feels anger to his homeland for making innocent civilians get into a war for their greed . He is angry to himself because of his mistakes and not being able solve the problem differently . He is angry at Celestia for destroying innocent lives as well as guilty ones . This cataclysm is more of political issues than actual hate towards both parts in my theory . İt has so much plot holes but since we don't know about anything of dainsleif personality . My guess isnt as valid as rock .
Oh yes. I heartily believe Dainsleif did a whole bunch more than just not being there for his people. Whatever he did he deserves his curse, though I am not sure he is really even cursed. That may have been something he told Lumine to try to gain her favor. He seems to know Keaya and the Jester all one-time residents of Kanriea. Also what is up with the Jester living with the traveler after they fell to Trevatt? I agree with you about the twins and those residents of Celestial being from other planets. And Celestial, wanting to take the travelors out, by sending the heavenly principles after them.
there's another thing which is very confusing, the primordial one came to Teyvat and planted the seed of humanity, and then several (hundred, questionable) years later the second throne, Celestia came to this world and defeated the primordial one and also started human civilization with the help of archons, they both had a similar intention yet the second throne had to beat the first one to claim the land.. don't understand wtf is happening here, if they had same goal then why didn't Celestia let the primordial god to rule.
Btw, atleast we now know that *_the creator has yet not come_* thing.. what happened to istaroth, where is it now when people of teyvat needed it the most, if it loved it's people so much then why didn't it respond to their cry.
Isn't Istaroth a shade of the primordial one/creator?It will come when the primordial one comes
I keep thinking, what if dainsleif wasn't actually cursed to live eternally, rather he was awarded by Celestia as he 'cooperated' with them. Cooperate im a loose sense, like say not interfering with the destruction of Khaenri'ah. And this is the reason why the Abyss Sibling is mad at him.
All of this would've been easier if she just said: come brother, I'll explain everything.
But for some reason, she doesnt, makes me wonder why or, is it because Aether needs to get his powers back first?
Plot buddy
I just wanna confirm that i understood the current theory on lumine's journey. She and Aether arrives in khaenriah, they get acquainted with them and stuff, then cataclysm happened, twins gets teleported, Lumine wakes up first and journeys with Dain, then they part ways, after that Aether's journey begins, Lumine become princess of the abyss order. Is this correct?
They crash land on Teyvat, Lumine travels the world with Dain, she witness the destruction of Khaenri'ah and wakes up Aether, they try to escape, they're imprisoned and wake up 5 centuries later, Lumine becomes Princess of Abyss Order, Aether wakes up and start his journey.
@@RetroApo did they spend some time in khaenriah first before cataclysm? or is it already being destroyed when lumine and aether arrived?
@@reign1576 Was probably not yet destroyed based on the travail trailer. The twins arrived just before Khaenr'ah was destroyed. But it was only Lumine/Aether that got to explore the world before the cataclysm happened. After that they woke up their sibling and tried to leave but was stopped by the sustainer. Then we cut five centuries later and the twin you chose starts their journey.
@@reign1576 I guess the missing sibling spent some time within it and perhaps even formed some sort of bond with it. The Traveler in the other hand only witnessed its destruction. While the Khaenri'ah Kingdom was destroyed it wasn't completely wiped out so it's quite possible it's still inhabited by humans.
@@soulblade3291 ohhh so only the abyss twin that got to spend time in khaenriah aight thx.
Just Brilliant, nice work Aster.
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Just wanted to add some personal commentary and opinions. There's been a few things bothering me as of late regarding the way ancient humans are portrayed in Genshin Impact. Has anyone else noticed the trend as well? Almost all stories of the ancient civilizations of humans are about human corruption, let me list some examples:
1) Mondstadt regarding the nobility and how they used their power to enslave the people.
2) The civilization that sacrificed people to the Thunderbird.
3) Enkanomiya and the nobles use of the Sun Children as well as the diabolical practices of binding and severing the very souls of certain individuals like in the case of Aberaxus.
I could also go into detail about the various wars fought across Tehvat but they could be considered to be goaded by the God's and as such don't fit the analysis of studying just human nature.
What bothers me is the implied suggestion that without the fear of something more powerful humans have fallen into states of continual corruption victimizing those with less power and ambition. This seems to imply that perhaps without the guidance, no matter how cruel, of Celestia that Tehvat was already doomed in various human Dystopias. Even the Cataclysm could be seen in a similar fashion as the Great Flood necessary to purify the evils spread by mankind or perhaps the impact of a meteorite on a world so bent on internal strife that it was ill equipped to survive such a catastrophe.
This is very much different from the world of Tehvat we see now. Mondstadt is the city of Freedom, Liyue is a land that has chosen for its people to take responsibility for their own fate come what may and Inazuma a nation that's decided that unjust proclamations be they divine or mortal be they unjust they will be met by resistance. This is so much different from the civilizations of Old Tehvat one must wonder if perhaps this reformation isn't due entirely to Celestia's meddling. Bearing what sins they may the world now appears quite different.
What are your opinions? Do you think their was a purpose to Celestia's calamities or were they simply taking power onto themselves? Are the sins of the past the cost of war during a time of corruption or is the world once again heading headfirst towards its own fated destruction?
From what you are saying, it sounds like Celestia is trying to make people not following them out to be evil. This is a common phenomenon in human history. Christians have done this, as an example. This kind of thing often happens when a religion is being replaced by another. It pretty much happened to all the Pagan religions Christianity has replaced.
@@bluenuttefly8813 it's generally the consequences of most wars, tearing down of past effigies, burning of libraries and retelling of stories so far removed from their basis of origin that it's unrecognizable. Disney is a great example of this. The animated movie Hercules which clearly targets child audiences is quite different then its Greek origins. Seriously Hera is his all caring and loving mother eh? That's so rich. Lmfao! Then there is Marvel retelling the adventures of Thor.... How long do you suppose it will be before Jesus is transformed into a rebellious celebrity on the run in the desert dodging the Roman empire?
i thought that it said in some lines when abyss person said that like 'you'll soon find out the truth behind this world' (idk if this happened I could be completely WRONG I don't listen to the voice lines) that she woke up in like, sneznaya/the last place we go to and that's why they are both there but didn't see each other and the abyss sibling tried finding normal but they didn't even wake up/ just stayed where they were til they found paimon and were thrown to other side of the world and was recruited to the abyss for revenge on the people who didn't help her?!?!?!
YE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR TGIS!
My headcanon is that the Abyss Sibling already finished the game, but doesn't wanna spoil the future 100+ years of content for the Traveler (and us).
i'm a simple man, i see a video about lumine then i like , then i see that aster made it , so i go to subscribe then remember that i'm already subscribed :D
thank u for ur hard work
If Lumine went on the journey of the traveller, it had to be before the khaenrian cataclysm, because that seems to be the period of time where archons don't talk about. For exanple Zhongli and his contract of silence
Imagine what would the Ruin Vortex/Mecha Osial look like. Imagine what would we feel if it shows up and if it became a weekly boss!
For the looks I think it would be Mond’s SOT7 (max level) holding the Field Tiller Eye. Then the “limbs” of Osial would be removed FROM Osial to make the hands. The stand that makes the SOT7 stand upright then got replaced by the limbless corpse of Osial himself. The center of Osial that holds the Overlord together is contained within the Statue’s platform ring. Osial’s corpse became the Statue’s NEW stand base. As for being mechanized, the Statue will be modded with a Ruin Guard-themed robe for the idol of the Statue, Osial’s corpse turns into something like the BOTW Guardian’s legs, and the face of the idol gets replaced by a Ruin Guard face.
Scary for a weapon that poses a threat to Celestia.
We know the abyss sibling is immortal bcoz she looks the same after years. Abyss sibling lived and travel through ancient civilizations, then watch Celestia destroyed them. In story we did ask the archons if they saw the sibling but all of them said no. Which mean the abyss sibling travel through teyvat might older than 500 years ago.
In the new sumeru quest they comferm that the abyss sibling was indeed present and active during the fall of kanreah
i always assumed it was named starfell valley specifically because of the travelers initially landing 500 years ago
i love your theories
What if Starfell Lake was created when Lumine fell from the sky. And that’s how that area in Mondstadt became known as Starfell Valley. 🤯🤯
this is amazing
Now this is a topic I’ve been thinking about since i found out about the abyss order
I have allways think that Lumine wake up in a diferent location that Aether and just like we she start to travelling the world together with dain as the guide to find us , she only find Aether at the end when the war is just starting she fights for khanri'ah and because this don't wake up right after find us but khanri'ah gets destroyed she wake us up and try to leave with us but get captured she somehow escapes maybe in the help of the abyss order she then join the abyss order
Some more is revealed in the dream nursery quest in sumeru, regarding the abyss twin also being revered friend to the arunara. I probably didnt spell that right...
Can we get a video on thoughts about baizhu, Sumeru and the dendro archon. People firmly believe baizhu is the dendro archon. And I’m not so sure
His eyes say otherwise.
RetroApo explain
@@nickhall1616 So far their eyes color match the Element they represent.
if i remember correctly aether said that he and lumine witnessed the destruction of kanreah and when they tried to leave they met the unknown god...so it's definitely after the cataclysm lumine's journey began
Our twin talked about us a lot as per the Aranara told us.
Maybe lumine getting her powers back or possibly having her powers corrupted and turned purple by the abyss is the very thing that woke aether up. That’s probably the time when she was elected princess which is why kaeya says there is a NEW princess.
Old mondstadt would of looked like that after the Archon War not the cataclysm after Decarabian would of been taken down, because directly after that Barbados takes the people to establish the new mondstadt, and it would of been somewhere between after the Archon War if not directly after when Dvalin would of made it his lair because after all, everyone else screwed off to recreate Mondstadt where it is located now.
I have very important questions that I need answers to.
Why is the traveler's sibling able to use their power but that traveler can't?
Did the "Unknown God" seal only 1 of the 2 siblings' power or did the traveler's sibling get theirs back somehow?
I saw somewhere that it might be perhaps because the traveler 'droped' their swort during the cut scene while the sibling kept it.
I don't know tho
is there a video summarizing whats written in the books that we collect around the map? if not... video idea?
Just my thought. It could end up even more catastrophic than it already is. Lumine’s/Aether’s journey could really be all for nothing. The buildup and excitement only to end in up with doom of Teyvat itself and then as well. Yet as of now,it’s just a thought to consider all possibilities.
Is there any hints about The Travelers being summoned to this Realm? IDK why but in my head I just think they were called while they were kind of idly traveling.
Like, right now, I'm working on the idea that the forms that the Twins are in now are because of Teyvat. These humanoid forms are not their original bodies and I doubt they were literal Stars.
Goddamn i love your voice
Love ur videos ❤ 📹 💗
Dainsleif's is just the only person that really helped to find the siblings 😂😂🤡 Traveler saves all of them. Also the Archons. But they don't talk about the Abyss Siblings. So they are useless 😭😂
lol
I know right?
it is not the archons job to find his sibling lol nor do they have ANY connection with her, while Dain is connected somehow with the AByss sibling. THA'TS THE DIFFERENCE.
@@huansong Traveler saved the Archons country's and don't even get a recompense after all the shit 😂😂
TFW Aranara reference the Abyss Twin
i still think paimon and dain come from the same place since they have basically the same role in each siblings lives… they keep saying and dropping hints that maybe paimon shouldn’t be trusted and maybe she’ll do something the same way dain did to our sibling. it can be something like, along the way we start disagreeing in our journey and stuff like that not necessarily having to fight her but yeah it can be something like that that makes us enemies 😕
They will destroy our heart at the end of Genshin...I can feel it. Someone will die.
Another thing I find interesting is the gods Venti, Zhongli and The Radon Shogun all give up their Knossos which is their connection with Celestia. Perhaps distancing themselves from the gods in Celestia. Not only do they know much more than any is saying(about Lumine and Aether) but are positioning themselves to work with anyone other than Celestia.
Because Celestia doesn't give a fuck about people, they can nuke any country if they wish while The Archons genuinely loves their people
Another good video
God, I am so hyped for Genshin's upcoming lore
I think the reason why the Traveler phases through the portal is 1 of 2, one is unlikely, and the other one makes sense.
1. Only people of Khaenri'ah can go through the portal, which explains Dain going through.
2. Only people who are NOT decenders can go through the portal. But then could Paimon go through?
Both of these support the idea of the abyss sibling not being listed as a decender. Who knows, it's just a couple of thoughts.
If the travellers have a special gift to somewhat get others to just trust them, to the point of even agreeing to travel alongside them if they have an important job/role, that might be Dain's issue. There is a reason why he does voiceover for new characters... our new "companions". And at the end, he always makes a remark on those characters that also has a meaning for himself, mostly negative.
I believe Dain travelled with the lost sibling and that was why he couldn't do any defending. Going back to one of his iconic lines: "Dain, what is that strand of blonde hair to you? Someone you must kill? Or the object of your penitence?". That strand of blonde hair could be his own hair, him asking himself what it means to him that he is from Khaen'reah, but the line after just makes it clear he means someone else. Not only that, but he asks if they're the object of his penitence or not... He is conflicted on the issue, probably due to the fact that he knows it's because of their "power" that he went on a journey with them, but at the same time he was the one who was influenced and could have simply said no.
Good theories.
And I actually think the twins are really stars.
Where are you getting all these animations from? The part where lumine looks over aether?
We have always had enough time...
2:48 cant help but imagine the rock eye brow raise meme
My theory:
Thay are 2 wings of phanes/the primordial one made of star light
Istroth time the sustainer of havenly princepalce is also one but got corupted by celestia during the fight with th 2 throne
would be fun if we get to play the alternate timeline some day
Also, traveller technically meets their sibling during the dragon fight in Mondstadt. It's a blink and miss moment.
i have a question, in the reunited quest, the traveler says that they witnessed the destruction of khaenri'ah first and then they decided to leave teyvat but they were stopped by the unknown god, so about the whole "who landed where?' thing, does that mean that mean the abyss twin landedin khenri'ah after getting captured by the unknown god and the traveler twi landed near starfell valley after being capotured? i'm quite confused
Currently, only Zhongli knew his other sibling but cannot disclosed the other two are sleeping and in euthemyia
I think their stasis are lighty different as the chosen character's power resisted being sealed in the cutscene
Imagine if the Destiny which Lumine referenced to war against to is the or at least a bubble universe variation of Schicksal organisation in Honkaiverse (Considering Schicksal is a German word literally means "Destiny" or "Fate" of all words lol), although they're on literally Celestial or Cosmic level to tamper with Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta in the grand scheme of Mihoyoverse
I think the place they started was khanreiah. Because it was before the cataclysm, when they were trying to leave, and the. Lumine woke up before aether. She traveled etc, and found out the truth of the world. The cataclysm happened here bcz it’s not on teyvat land and that’s not teyvat land
Maybe on day they will make a game from lumines perspective
I think their journeys happened in opposing orders. She started in Kahnreiah, then worked her way to Monstadt, while the traveller started in Monstadt and worked his way to Kahnreiah.
10:50 theory incoming (2.6 spoiler)
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the new enemy "black serpent knight: windcutter" has a description that says the "twilight sword" was one of them and who served the royal family of a kingdom that later lost all it's glory.
from the battlepass lore we see there were two crowned heir of the throne (a princess and her brother), the sister was corrupted by what looked like a black serpent dripping venom on the genesis pearl which was what the princess was after.
since dain is possibly a black serpent knight with the use of these evidences, what if the knights had betrayed their kingdom and corrupted their princess? maybe this was the reason why lumine was angry at dain?
I'm pretty sure Venti awoke around the same time as Aether, so I don't think Lumine met him, and I don't think she met Ei, since Lumine's able to wield multiple elements as well. But then again I may be wrong, since in the Bough Keeper quest, Dainsleif knows who Venti is. Maybe he woke up sometime during the Abyss sibling's quest, too?
I really want to know Dainsleif's and Lumine's relationships. Why does she says that Dainsleif betrayed their county? Of course he can't protect the land along? That's not possible.
Hold on,
what if piamon is related to the abyss in some way?
like either piamon is a spy sent by lumine to keep an eye on the traveler or piamon is actuthe leader of the abyss and lumine is currently covering for her
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Yall remember that both travelers can be canon, it just depends on who you choose as the player 😁