The Chasm Archon Quest Breakdown [Genshin Impact Lore Discussion and Theory]
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Time to breakdown Genshin Impact's 2.6 Archon Quest.
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Aster, here is a quick speculation of what the "IT" Dain says, might be.
Firstly it has to do with the different cursed enemies.
- Hilichurls don't retain their consciousness, they drop hilichurl mats. (Masks, arrows, etc.)
- The new Knight enemies also didn't retain their consciousness, they drop the new Statuette materials.
The difference between them and all the other cursed enemies that retained their consciousness (Abyss Mages, Heralds, Lecters) is they all drop pieces or branches of the Leylines (The Leyline Tree)
Abyss Mages drop the Ley line Sprout, Dead Ley line leaves, and branch. Same is said for the Lecters and Heralds.
However Lecters and Heralds also drop the Statuette materials. This link the Heralds and Lecters to being from Khanaeriah like the Knights but also are gifted or modified with the leyline branches to help retain their consciousness.
So in all this I think the "It" Dain is referring to is a Part of the Leyline Tree.
Dain is also known to be the Bough Keeper after all, so he might have a living branch of the Leyline tree in his possession that negates the curse and help him retain his consciousness for 500+ years.
Must bump this
This is so smart
Yeah I thought about that after rewatching the quest on yt. All abyss mages have the branch with them..and the husks drop that totem like thingy that could’ve been made from the tree? Also, i think I know why they all feel at ease there, I don’t think its the fountain but that White spout tree we find behind the hidden wall while you are doing the “nine world realm rumour” achievement..if it was a fountain i have a theory, but its from the leaked material so i dont wanna get anyone spoiled here
Wow this is such a great theory
THATS SUCH A GOOD THEORY!!!
What really hit me after this quest, is that Katherine's fortune wasn't talking about the Traveller reuniting with their sibling. It was talking Dainslief reuninting with Halfdan.
:^) *me cry*
aw :((
well, at least you got the cutscene
Spoiler:
go back to the rooms the hilichurl were in if you reallllllllllyyyy wanna cry
@Zhongli you’ll find broken masks indicating they died
@@Windsofambience Materials?
I didn't imagine that a Giant Mushroom would be one of my new favorite NPC's.
HAIL AETHER! HAIL PAIMON!
GIANT FRIENDLY MUSHROOM
PLAYABLE SHEESHROOM WHEN
Isn't his name is xamaran am I right spelling that
I didn't talk to him yet i'll go back to see him.
This further proofs that we need voice lines for NPC'S they are a big part of the story.
I must say that the chasm made something clear. Heralds, lectors and probably anyone from the abyss order are NOT the result of the curse. They are the result of abyssal corruption. If they were also the result of the curse they would also be hurt by the device that tried to remove it.
Or we can also say that the abyssal corruption helps to overcome the erosion of the immortality curse, like a fight poison with poison kinda thing
@@Saya-ng1sl another thing that makes think as the abyss and hilichurls having 2 completly different type of corruption on them are :
1. The words of the abyss herald. He says that Dain corruption is familiar to him, but that doesn't mean it's the same. And the fact that afterwards he says that Dain is a danger like him, but he is from outside the abyss order, can imply that the curse is similar to the abyssal corruption, but not exactly.
2. Also, during the flashback of Lumine with the abyss herald, they keep saying they will free the people of Khaenri'ah from the curse, but they never refer to themeselfs as needing it.
3. Finally, Dain keep saying he is the only one that kept conscious, while being cursed. He keep saying that the abyss order doesn't understand the curse, that no one does better than him, because he lives through it while being conscious. Dain heavily suggests that the abyss order is something else, from the curse of the gods.
And kinda make sense, since the celestial power of the gods and the abyssal power seem to be polar opposites.
that was already clear tbh. Childe was able to learn the transformation without having been cursed and the domain from one of the dainsleif quests says the transformation comes from the abyssal gospel.
I really like when Dain told Halfdan (RIP) that Khaenri'ah did not fall. I think at that moment he understands that Khaenri'ah is not a place, not a country, it's the people. Khaenri'ah still exists as long as Dain is alive. So "No need to revive the homeland".
I cried so much on that cutscene maybe because I really admire loyalty in people, and Halfdan was loyal to last orders from Dain for 500 years..Its just so sad.. someone give this man a hug, get him in our pot and make him some goddamn chicken…
@@dreamday988 Half-dan was loyal to his captain until the last minute. He sacrificed himself to protect his people, and also Dain because I believe he saw Dain in pain. Even when meeting Dain for the last time, his worries were that he let Dain down (which he did not, may he rest in peace). Halfdan was only there for the last part of the quest but I got emotionally attached to that man.
Not everything is Asgard
Kaenriah is asgard confirmed
Or because the reason he said so is because Dain is working others siblings (AKA The Abyss) which most of them also from you know Khaenri'ah.
The Chasm got me so excited for Sumero with the little bits of Lore and mysteries it introduced. The classes the students are divided into at the Academy, the roots growing upside down, the Giant Sarcastic Mushrooms....
Me too enkonomya was great but felt isolated both watataumi island is isolated and because the civ presented was too old for plot relevancy
The seed you find in the Chasm's underground too, i'm eager to see how that little thing will play out.
After this quest I wonder HOW THE HELL DOES KAEYA GET INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS? Every citizen of Khaenri'ah was cursed, and the nation itself was destroyed 500 years ago, so how does Kaeya exist? He is not cursed and he is not immortal as we know he ages normally.
All we know is that he was left in Mondstadt as a child by his biological father as "Khaenri'ah's Last Hope", and after that we had ZERO information.
Yea I’m still confused about that like his age don’t match up, hopefully hoyoverse doesn’t forget about him and all the mondstadt characters
If only he & Klee didn't get grounded
I remember Dainsleif implying in one of his lines when he first meets Halfdan, that he has something that makes him resist the curse (or at least the transformation part? No clue tbh).
So it might be possible Kaeya has something similar, though I wouldn't go as far as to think he was present 500 years ago, rather, it's more probable that his father is the one cursed, and perhaps Kaeya is more "normal" and has inherited something from him.
One thing that is very suss is that both Dain and Kaeya have the same eye "covered", so that might be a clue(??)
I just hope Hoyoverse doesn't just forget about Kaeya as they progress Khaenri'ah story
maybe some time god shenanigans
Right? Like halfway through the quest i was like "Damn, where does Kaeya even fit in this?"
In 1.2, Europe has Mt. K2.
In 2.4, Japan has Atlantis.
Now in 2.6, China has Hollow Earth.
I hope Sumeru might get a Pyramid-themed danger zone based on the egyptian aliens theory.
Pyramids with tons of traps 😰
Pyramids might be a Natlan thing since they are based off meso America.
@@konata736 pyramids are an egyptian thing tho and sumeru is based off egypt (i think) since cynos outfit in the trailer is anubis styled like ancient egyptian mythology/society
@@rusu3 sumeru is based off middle east (alot of languages used by sumeru people are i think relates alot to hinduism, especially in india), alot of names are also south asia indian names. i think it mostly just is a mix of middle east cultures. meanwhile i think natlan is going to be based off tribal prehistoric civilizations (mayans, aztecs, mesopotamia etc), fontaine based off late 1800 industrial revolution europe, while snezhnaya is based off 1900s uni soviets.
@@ch.7785 also based on iran. The sabzeruz festival that celebrates the birthday of lesser lord kusanali is based on Iran's new year celebration "nowruz" and some of the npc's names are persian too (Parvaneh from the gourmet supremos, Vahid and his fertilizer shop in ritou, Soraya from the wangshu inn, etc etc.)
The thing that caught my eye in the Archon quest was when Dainseif Blurted out the word "Erosion".
So far, we have been introduced to it as a phenomenon affecting lived beings like Archons and Vishaps.
But now, could the Erosion be a Curse that was placed on all long living beings of Teyvat by Celestia as a means of control. To prevent them of being powerful enough to overthrow Celestia hench Tsaritsa Collecting Gnosis because it's the only way for her to gain the power needed before erosion overtakes her?
That the Hilichurls are being Eroded away as a result of being immortal but the fact they are people means 500 years destroys most of them compared to Archons who might take Thousands of years to be ground down?
I'm not sure what is ZhongLi's erosion... he stepped down as Archon, but during Ashdaha's quest it is stated that ZhongLi is fated to see the fall of humanity. (that was his "erosion")
well, i guess any mortal (human) that turned immortal will be affected by erosion much faster than immortals like gods or adepti or youkai etc.
Makes sense to me adding my theory
The irminsul tree posses the power of elemental magic the power abyss links use (mages and lectors)
Since they weren't affected by the light produced by abyss (curse weakening machine )
I bet the tree protects them from erosion
So the cryo archon is trying to collect the seven gnosis (light produced by rainbow) so she won't be eroded
I'm convinced at this point that Sal Vindagnyr, Enkanomiya, The Tsurumi underground Ruins, Khaenri'ah and the Nameless Ruins were all what remained of the singular ancient civilization founded by the Primordial One as referenced in Before sun and moon. But after they disappeared their civilization collapsed, got divided, and were forced underground/ flipped underground. Or straight up destroyed.
Since many of these places were "hidden from the eyes of the gods", this was probably the primordial one's last line of defence for their people. Some survived for as long as they could like Khaenri'ah and Enkanomiya, while others got destroyed by this wierd orb thing with a triskellion and a big ass pillar from the sky.
And even though the Abyss Order and the Fatui have the same goal of fucking up celestia, it seems that the Abyss Order also wants to get rid of the seven nations to make room for Khaenri'ah and that's not something they can compromise on unfortunately. Its heavily implied that Khaenri'ah did shoot first by initiating the dark calamity on Teyvat, but it seems like it back fired on them because the Abyss element/entity thing has a mind of its own. It is decribed to be a corruptive energy that makes most brings more violent.
Also I didn't expect Sumeru lore to be connected to talking mushrooms. I mean... I should have but I'm still caught off guard.
Yep, I even thought them all being from the first civilization under the primordial one was sort of a given at this point from Hoyo haha.
Definitely believe Khaenri’ah shot first. They had ruin guards/were doing sketchy stuff since before the end of the archon war (see attempted book theft in enkonomia) but Celestia left them alone for 1500+ years until the Cataclysm. Why? Because the royals/nobles/alchemists/whoever was in charge messed with something they shouldn’t have. I believe that’s the faction that became the Abyss order and the reason Dainsleif opposes them and not Celestia is because even though Celestia unfairly wiped out the whole of Khaenri’ah (both the guilty party and the innocent civilians) at the end of the day they shot first. And now they want to wipe out not just Celestia, but the whole of teyvat; both the guilty party and the innocent.
The sky is a hoax, that line still gives me shivers.
Imagine we getting Katheryne as a playable character 😂😂
But in contrast, I'm so moved by the story for the hillichurls and I don't know why. So I pledged to myself not kill those inside of the Chasm except if there's a chest :)
saving primos for the katheryne banner :P
Yes pls
Katherine is actual time travel lumine from the future giving us silly quests and commissions to lead us on the right path she couldn't take
@@le0t0rr3z its true, im mihoyo's chair
AD ASTRA ABYSSOQUE
What's interesting to me is how Halfdan's spirit was his natural form when he died. It tells me that the Abyss plan might have technically WORKED
Or it could be a result of how he dies. By doing something selfless over selfish perhaps. Maybe a mix of both? Could be cliche but that's another way to see it
@@sundalosketch4769 For sure maybe that's just what happens if you retain enough of your "intellect" regardless of their meddling
Dain said that who had been killed during the cataclysm and who had been turned into hilis and such retains a bit of their soul. He said that Halfdan’s soul is supposedly strong enough to put off the device. I think that also explains why his soul appeared.
This is just a small thought of mine but since those citizens of Khaenri’ah have turned into abyss mages lectors and heralds etc carry/drops ley lines, and knowing from Hutao’s quest that ley lines carry memories, we can also assume that halfdan mightve had one that’s why his soul is strong enough. But idk, just my thoughts on the quest.
The Inteyvat is such a weird flower. It's called "In Teyvat" but Teyvat is the world we're in. Khaen'riah, it's home, isn't. Also, it has ties to elemental energy, as it's pistils, match Lumine's element like the rest of the Traveler's gems.
it can also mean "inverted" teyvat.
I think the flower name means that, the flower itself isn't native nor belong in Teyvat, hence the word "In" in front of teyvat. Like the word like Insane and Sane.
Maybe the Teyvat we are isn’t the real Teyvat? That would be crazy though….
The description of it's lifeforce also strangely mimics the Erosion in a way. being plucked leaves it to stay as it was forever until it's replanted into the dirt of it's home, where it can finally rest.
My bet is that's the hint on how the curse could end for them all. Or that's how the Hilichurls are doing already, by heading to the cleansing pool as it's a part of their old home possibly? By returning home somehow?
I’m currently of the opinion that only some of the Hilichurls are Khaenri’an. It’s said that Hilichurls as a species precede the Cataclysm, and their numbers expanded after the Cataclysm. Furthermore, there’s this one Frostarm Lawachurl that suspiciously shares the name as someone from Sal Vindagnyr (Ukko).
Older civilizations who've met the same fate as Khaenri'ah ?
Been hearingthis theory a lot for a while. But the thing is we need more confirmation-
1.Proof that hilichurls existed before khaenri'a got destroyed
2. The black serpent knights were told to protect khaenria'n people so they were protecting the hilichurls but how did they know those hilichurls were khaenrian hilichurls?
@@observantbuddy for your first question, the manga depicts a time before the cataclysm, hilichurls existed back then, and there's a piece of text that confirms they've existed before then if i remember correctly.
We know that Hilichurls existed before the cataclysm, so we can probably assume, that not all Hilichurls etc. are from Khaenri'ah. That means other citizens of civilizations that were destroyed by Celestia met the same fate and were possibly alsu turned into Hilichurls as well.
I can't get my mind off of how the Abyss Lector and Mages didn't seem affected by the ritual. Almost feels like a telling of how disconnected they are. (Also, you ok, Kaeya?)
SPOILERS - You forgot a very important detail:
when the hilichurls die of old age, they liquefy and become just like that dark mud you find in the chasm
Maybe that's why Zhiqioung was confused after we rescued her from the mud, it looks like she was experiencing someone else memories
@@bethanymcgonigle I really wanted her to keep talking, but this been Genshin it is the last time we here of it. It was just there to raise our curiosity in the game.
Remember the same with Kaeya mumming about his origins, then boom it was never continued to this day.
@@dinte215 we might get more of her next patch leaks down below
I think the chasm has been split into two updates from the leaks so more world quests and another archon quests don't know if it's trustworthy
@Bethany make sense. That's what happened for Enkanomiya.
@@mattmark94 yeah I don't think we we get all the lore right this moment and also we still haven't gotten another world quest related too the nameless island
I found Katheryne to be EXTREMELY SUS this time. Not the pulling fortune slip thing because the Katheryne's could be a hive mind as well.... It's that Katheryne KNOW's what is in the Chasm.... And she's the only one we meet that dose.
Katheryne remembers that the abyss is connected to the Chasm. But one on the site is aware of this. The Liyue explorations teams desnn't know. The Treasure Hoards are clueless. AND even the Notes the Fatiu left behind while also exploring the chams shows them to not be aware of what powers are in play down there. So that leaves only Zhongli and the Adepti that sealed that part of the chasm away aware of the "Nail" sleeping there ... SO how the hell does Katheryne have this knowledge and not share it with anyone but the Traveller.
Also, the fact the Khaenri'ah was built up from the ruins of a "first crown" nations of humanity is very cool.
Also if you play as Lumine, she doesn't remember having picked the flowers in her hair, they were there when she woke up in the current time of the story.
I wonder if they'll change her model after visiting Kaen'riah.
I think Katheryne is a proxy to someone (Istaroth, Celestia or Abyss Queen lol) that intends to guide the Traveller in taking a specific path in their journey to discover the truth of this world.
The field tiller's core!! Dain swallowed it 😂😂
Since the adventurer's guild is based in snezhnaya, maybe she's working for the tsaritsa?
@@morgoth_bauglir I doubt it. We have commissions that wants us to kill/defeat fatui agent so I'm pretty sure they're at least not affiliated in that part
ohh thats a very interesting point, but i doubt that she works for the tsaritsa
@@kkkumofie yeah, me neither to be honest. I just think that IF katheryne is someone's direct underling/proxy, i do think the tsaritsa is the most probable candidate
Katheryne is sus. But I'll be taking her daily commissions anyway. 😂
I like how Zhiqiong and the Hilichurls are literary parallels.
Others cannot force/choose what they think is best unto Zhiqiong and the Hilichurls destinies which they have already chosen for themselves
The rest of the mining team doesn't want Zhiqiong to die doing careless stuff.
However, Zhiqiong has already chosen to die trying to make herself a hero rather than to be forgotten staying safe.
The abyss sibling/abyss doesnt want the Hilichurls to "die" because of celestia.
However, the Hilichurls have already chosen to "die" rather than to suffer endless agony for the miniscule/non-existent chance of "living" normally again.
(Edit: I'm still not completely sure if the Hilichurls were "dying" or something like that and if the abyss wanted to revert them back to normal so I might have gotten some stuff on the whole "die" and "live" thing wrong)
Nah they were dying, just in a less painful way then normally. Dain says that place reduces the pain inflicted by the curse constantly.
my theories:
- erosion for mortal that turned into immortal is faster than immortal like gods, adepti, youkai etc. it took zhongli 6000yrs to begin feeling erosion, maybe for cursed human or human that turned into immortal the effect of erosion is much faster like in centuries.
- the reason dains contradict himself so often is that he is no longer himself, the dainslief we know is no longer the exact same dainslief abyss sibling traveled with in the past, part of him has eroded/corrupted.
- dains doesn't know the best about the curse, halfdan spirit showing up disprove dains' claim. besides, it is stupid to use 1 subject to make a conclusion over a curse that took over an entire citizens of khaenriah.
- what happened to halfdan is exactly what our abyss siblings mission to "bring back the people of khaenriah", the plan isn't exactly to turn them back into human but rather turn their spirit back into human so that they can pass on as human and not monsters.
Seeing how halfdan turned out, I'm all for the plan
hoyo trying to tell us that we can't trust anyone all along
Tldr Dain is a doomer
In regards to the ruins of the chasm and enkanomiya;
They are identical in architectural design, so i think the ruins of enkanomiya weren't build -after- it sank under the sea, rather, i think they where built before it sank/before the archon war (also why they are so crooked undersea now). I think I remember one of the lore books saying enkanymoiya was part of an ancient nation that spaned the whole world, wich might mean the same nation that built the chasm ruins - and that's why they are identical. They're possibly different capitol cities of that said nation, though I don't remember enough of sal vindygnirs lore to know if its also from the same nation since it looks a little different...
(though, i think a lot of the ruins have very similair designs, like liye, old mondtstadt, andrius' arena, etc - maybe these were also from that nation, and has then been repurposed by different people through the history?)
Halfdan was an amazing addition to the story i really teared when he rushed and throw himself he is one of my favorites right now.
Such great character development!
My idea would be that the Curse has attached itself like a virus, growing and replacing the soul. The soul pieces have already been replaced so unless someone reconstructed the soul, the pieces converted no longer can returned to the original
This was my interpretation as well
I may know what flower the Inteyvat is based on! Since Khaenriah seem to be based on norse scandinavia, I think Its a flower called forest anemone! Its very similar to the flower that Lumine has in her hair, and funnily it can change color if you put it in water with some food dye. Gueeeess what its also called? Windflower! I read that the chinese also call it "flower of death", kinda match with the western views of it as a symbol of springs arrival and a flower of death...in greek myths anemones were created when Adonis blood mixed with Aphrodites tears. Match quite well with the Abyss Flower design theme of the twins....granted, wood anemone is a slightly different species from anemones but they do belong in the same family. Wood anemones bloom between march and may depending on where you are but they have a rather short bloom, you are very lucky if its a slightly cold spring then they can last about a month, but if unlucky they will just last 2 weeks, like the Inteyvat.
The way I understood the contradiction with the Curse was that someone with the curse is dependant on it to live. But the life they live with it is at best unpleasant.
I don't think that the defilled statue was a recreational of the purification device as it was holding abyssl power if they were trying to make a purification device wouldn't it make more sense to have it hold something light related instead of abyssl ball of darkness
There's a line about the immortality curse i noticed, Dain says that when a God applies a curse it take place on a higher reality then that of the victim, branding them at the level of once fate itself. I think this immortality isn't a directly physical curse but that God's are altering the victims reality itself and thus is probably achieved by tempering with someone's fate directly through their constellations as we do know that people's fate is written in their constellations
The inteyvat might actual be death flaging lumine too as it is
1. The national flower of khenriah representing her goal to revive the nation
2. Dain's line about the inteyvat " when it returns to its home soil the flower's petals with soften again and then turn to dust" which might mean that Lumine will die after the revival of Khenriah in the 7th chapter or she'll sacrifice herself for the revival (because of the line about turning dust) either way before she dies the twins will have a reunion one last time 😭😭😭
I think the abyss order's attempt at purification might've partially worked as we did see Halfdan's soul disappearing in the same way the memories from Ei's quest and Stanley from Venti's quest did. I say partially because it could very well be due to Halfdan's strong will managing to save him. I do understand Dain's reluctance towards the purification is justified, on one hand they could live out their cursed life slowly eroding or suffer through hell just to die and return to the cycle of life and death ( into the layline you go)
The final Halfdan line is a bit odd as he says "did khenriah didn't fall did it, since your still here" I'm guessing that Dain was cursed before the cataclysm and khenriah was unjustly bombed. I don't remember where it's from but i do remember there being a Jean voiceline where she wants to tell us the story of "the hero king of khenriah" which is weird since the royals of khenriah are supposed to be fools who tried to take on Celestia
Theoritical context
I think the hero king of khenriah wanted to take on Celestia due to these imortaliy curses, i think they wanted to topple the thrones of Celestia inorder to break these curses as we do know that Hillichurls existed since long before the Cataclysm, the people of khenriah must've found out the truth of the curse and since Dainsleif one of their higher ups (captain of the royal guards) was also affected by the curse he ended up being a catalyst to the whole thing. I think Rhinesottir and her connection to the abyss might've come about for either of the two reasons
1. Since Khenriah was going against the divine they made an alliance with abyss to which Gold was acting as a mediator
2. Gold conjuring the abyss monster on khenriah might be true just told in a different perspective
I think Gold released the abyss monster in order to stop the rampage of the Gods in Khenriah which might explain the survivors of the cataclysm, which also ended up taking the lives of the Gods like Makoto and the former Dendro Archon
The Chasm has some juicy lore also when you get the chance there's something when you go to the upside down city a door that requires orbs of depth and there's something in a strange language that's all I going to say.
I'm already translate it the language is from Ancient latin: " ECMULTIS LANGUORIBUS PERESUS " which mean " sickness growing inside "
@@someguywhoenjoymusic1961 thanks for that like I was curious to know what it meant.
Each player has only a visible sentence from the 'Mysterious Letter' - in that garbled alphabet - while the other 11 lines are all blurred.
In a gaming site the users already translated them all and some of them also found a real poem from Catullus which is extremely similar (probably HoYo used it as a basis).
These are all the lines from the Letter:
1. NON CUSTOS SI FINGAR ILLE CAENRIUM
2. NON FULMINEUS EGO LYRAE BARBATOS
3. NON SI PEGASEO FERAR VOLATU
4. NON MORPHES NIVEAE CITAEQUE BIGAE
5. ADDEHUC PLUMIPEDAS VOLATILESQUE
6. VENTORUMQUE SIMUL REQUIRE CURSUM
7. QUOS IUNCTOS AMICA MEA MISI DICARES
8. DEFESSUS TAMEN OMNIBUS MEDULLIS
9. ET MULTIS LANGUORIBUS PERESUS
10. ESSEM TE MIHI AMICA QUAERITANDO
11. CAELUM DILABITUR
12. FALSITAS COLLABITUR
And this is the poem from Catullus with translations in several languages
rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/l58b.htm
Non custos si fingar ille Cretum,
non Ladas ego pinnipesue Perseus,
non si Pegaseo ferar volatu,
non Rhesi niveae citaeque bigae;
adde huc plumipedas volatilesque,
ventorumque simul require cursum,
quos iunctos, Cameri, mihi dicares:
defessus tamen omnibus medullis
et multis languoribus peresus
essem te mihi, amice, quaeritando.
And yet,once more,I am again confused by Kaeya's whole existance😐...like...WHAT IS GOING ON WITH HIM. We know he is from Khanri'ah but he never shows up.Also, is he cursed aswell?😶
He also has the eye patch, which he referred to as something passed down from the family (early in the game. Paimon even jokes about it) Now we can assume he was actually referring to the curse.
Uhh this vid made me think a bit. Dain talked about the curse slowly consuming him, being a part of him but slowly but surely replacing him... This took me back to the teyvat chapter teaser trailer where dain narrates, "Defeat me, command me to step aside, prove to me that you are worthier than I of saving her". What if something happens, dain is led astray from his goals and the curse takes control of him and that's why the traveller has to fight him, to save dain from his curse and then get to the abyss twin....
EDIT: As for what he would think when he's "led astray", it would probably be something like
"I'm doing whatever I can do, no matter what. If it means stopping the abyss and saving her."
But before he would realise, the curse would've taken over him and he would be doing stuff so bad that the traveller may have to step in.
Hence the line, "Defeat me, command me to step aside. Show me that you are worthier than I of saving her."
Okay, first of all, DAINSLEIF IS BACK. Second of all, YELAN APPEREANCE.
ok but like seriously though, The Chasm sure is an interesting place. Like how it has 2 layers and a bunch of construction and new monsters to fight. Also that uh robot thing.. And oh yeah, can’t wait for Sumeru though. And lastly, The Chasm is also said that it was a meteor crater so perhaps that in the past something has DEFINITELY happened. ALSO KAEYA???
cant wait for more kaeya screentime and info late game into lore i can smell his importance
Ooooh yes I've been waiting for this :D
Woooo
One of the Genshin theorists who I frequently watch has uploaded a video on the Archon Quest!!!
I'm not 100% sold that the twin's homeland is Khaenri'ah, seeing as how Lumine doesn't seem to associate herself as related to the Hilichurls. The chance is there, but I'd rather believe the more interesting headcanon that the Twins are the Descendants of the Primordial One in another world.
Aaaaaand also that Rhinedottir made a doppelganger, doppelganger doomed Khaenri'ah, she fled and made Albedo and his "siblings" for the sake of Alchemy.
I think when they say "Homeland" they don't mean literally.
The twins ARE aliens from another world, after all.
Not 100% sure if this information is correct but...
I think the reason why Lumine would call Khaenri'ah her "homeland" is because, well, the twin's actual home got destroyed. She might have felt like Khaenri'ah was her new home after that loss.
Though it does raise a new question; why does she care more about Khaenri'ah, than her true home?
Also in fatui chasm about the 4 fatui book vlog it's said they're looking to ancient civilizations which the same as the abyss order looking and finding some ancient civilizations
I love the traveller character development. Can't wait to see their future 😍
I'm too attached to them haha
Seeing them actually get mad was amazing, kinda undercut by the chubby cheeks of lumine but regardless
@@isdrakon9802 i also found it amazing, never saw that from them
These Archon quests with Dain is the closest Genshin gets to reaching the feels Honkai's story makes you feel.
For me it's different in honkai I feel sad, but in genshin I feel empty because there is nothing that I can do to prevent or reverse what already happened
From the many Fatui's diary/report logs in the chasm it feels like the Fatui are also opposing the Abyss Order, or am I wrong? It would make sense since PIerro has been said to be "embittered with the divine" and perhaps even with the abyss sibling(?)
if i'm not wrong, the fatui is fighting against "the dark calamity" like the one from 500 years ago and since 500 years ago monsters from the abyss went rampage i think they're indeed against the abyss order
Yes, they fight the Abyss. This is from the stainless bloom lore from the Pale Flame set.
"'We share the same goal, you, your Tsaritsa, and I.'
'Cleanse the sources of distortion in this world: short-sighted, ignorant gods and the darkness and corruption of the Abyss.'
'Good. I will do whatever it takes to become an effective instrument in the advancement of our common cause.'"
This quest made me wanna build my kaeya idk why
Me as a Kaeya main: I see this as an absolute win
Aster I have a question 🙋♂️, what if the heralds and mages come from the Abyss itself, NOT Khanriah? The abyss creatures refer to it as “your” homeland instead of “our” homeland and they seemingly have no regard for the citizens of khanriah as they seemingly force hilishurls to do their bidding via magic. They’re also seemingly unaffected by tampering with the gem while everyone else was horrible harmed by the lectern playing with it. It’s just extremely fishy to me.
The chasm has so much enkanomiya-like architecture its driving me crazy, how why what, i dont know anymore
I read a theory that a possible reason why Abyss Mages, Lectors, Heralds etc can retain their minds to some degree is because of the Leyline branches they all carry with them, since they all drop them on death. Dain is the bough keeper, perhaps he has a similar branch of the leyline trees with him that have let him retain his memories and sanity this whole time?
Or better yet, maybe the reason Dain can perform such magic without a Vision is because he has control over the leylines? A Bough Keeper, the main branch of the Leyline trees? Interesting.
OH MAH GAWD I’ve been so excited for you to comment on the Archon Quest!!!❤️ Great video as usual >w
LETS GOO! ASTER HYPE! Moving on,I was just watching your most recent video after work and I’m elated to see a new one,keep up the great work miss! I wish you the best in your future videos and endeavors.
This was one of the most beautiful quests story wise I played through, really enjoyed it
Great video, I really appreciate people looking into these quests and connecting all the dots with the previous content I already forgot :D
Tho, your videos are still rather quiet, even the newer ones, I always have to lower the volume of everything else to be able to properly hear you, even the music you have playing in the backround is louder than your voice.
The idea that a god can brand you on a plane of reality higher than fate itself gives new perspective to Bennett’s situation. I wonder if he would experience better luck if he visited the chasm…
I think since time and space must co exist the curse of immortality deletes your existence from the next cycle of time and makes you exist in the space forever which is against the nature of cycle of death and life
Basically the curse makes you fade from existing in the actual world or the next era of life
Another small thing when youplay as lumine she says that she was wearing the flower when she woke up
I like that you pointed out the divergence in the twins' thinking. It's reminds of the "bond familiar falters and breaks" line from Dain's prophecy. Though this line could probably be about different characters altogether, I personally think the traveler outright saying they don't agree with their sibling's methods and not siding them even though they are family (like Dain thought they would) may be the first sign of their bond "faltering"
Makes me wonder, since the black serpent knights and the abyss lectors/heralds have different goals, protecting the remnants vs reviving the homeland, if they were different parties in life. Like how for instance, on the fatui set, it mentions the "fool" and the "priests" that failed to heed them. It would make sense for the abyss lectors/heralds to be those priests, since they're very cultlike in their nature. Another interesting thing is the new material drops we're getting, especially the statuettes. When transmuted into their final form, they look an awful lot like Odin, with that missing eye.
glad im not the only one who thought it looked like Odin!
I didn’t interpret Dain and his explanation of the curse to be a contradiction. After that scene when the abyss was carrying out their plan, we saw both the hilichurls and the serpent knights suffering. They didn’t seem to be suffering from an erosion of their personalities at that point but a physical pain.
His explanation seemed similar to a bacterial infection vs sulfuric acid. Yes, the acid will cleanse you of the bacteria but also of body part. So, him hopping into the pool might just set him ablaze 0_0
i think the main difference in the shounen 1% and this 1% is that in shounen its almost always a "do or die" where theyd do more good than bad in trying, but this one is more of a "already dead" on top of doing more bad than good
it makes me wonder... Would Aether relay the information back to the Adventurer's Guild or to the Qixing? (Wouldn't knowing the truth risk potential divine wrath like with Khanriah?)
Humans are naturally curious... revelation is inevitable.
16:30 Wait, I'm curious to know what was the dialogue if you have Lumine as the MC? Aether doesn't have this flower on him. Dainsleif shouldn't have to explain what flower it is to Lumine (as the chosen mc), does he?
as someone who chose lumine it just says that it’s the flower that she has worn in her hair since she woke up. dainsleif explained it still though
@@uvamus9264 I see, thanks mate. Though it gets a bit confusing. Like when she woke up in Teyvat? Did the MC get amnesia? MC remembers seeing Khanria though as mentioned in the last Dainsleif quest. Who gave her the flower? "She too loved these flowers." as Dain says. This quest raises even more questions. 🤯
Looking at the wiki, it seems Aether just mentioned that Lumine was wearing it in her hair, while Lumine specifically says that she's been wearing it "since [she] woke up." This could potentially have implications for when exactly she got it. There is the fact that she already has in during the opening, and the flashback in the story trailer, despite it being native to Khaenri'ah, and so she couldn't have had it before arriving regardless of which role she's in.
@@angeldude101 You're absolutely right! She already have it during the opening scene when they were stopped by the unknown god. This can be an oversight but Mihoyo does try to cover plot holes and even minute details whenever they can. Problem is it takes like a year for this story to progress. 😔
I think Dain means this when talking about the curse: For example, let's say It is slowly replacing the cells in your arm. At some point it's no longer your original arm, but you can't just cut it off without consequences, right? And well let's say one could live without an arm, but what if it's your heart or brain that is corrupted? It definitely can not be safely removed.
The fact that you pronounce Mondstadt like that makes me happy
I personally didn't think that what dainsleif says about the curse being a lifeline hunkering them down to the mortal plane and the curse itself eroding their very being is contradictory
If you look at the lore of shadow husk it is said that "Once upon a time, these were knights of the realm and carriers of significant status. The long years and a curse seems to have robbed them of their reason and memory. Now, all that remains within that armor is the will to "fight for something, someone, and some matter."
So to me it seems like shadowy husk are more akin to living armor than transformed creatures(they could've started as a transformed creature but the erosion melts their mortal body over time), consider Alphonse from full metal alchemist and the curse of immortality as the sigil that Edward painted to tether Alphonse soul to the mortal realm
And by extension this might mean that hilichurls are just a walking hunk of flesh motorized by the memories of their past life
So when dain said that removing the curse is similar to removing a part of your body in the context of the shadowy husk is the same is removing yourself from reality since they are just living armor with no physical body
And for hilichurls imagine if the erosion eats away at your organ and replaces them with not-organ basically making you dependant on the curse to survive
And the spreading of the curse in your body might be similar to cancer cells in real life or honkai infection if you read honkai
Personally what struck me the most during this quest was Dain's line of being corrupted on the higher plane of being than you exist. If Celestia comes from another world it would make sense that their power is inherently alien to the people of Teyvat and since the twins are also from another world wouldn't it mean that technically they could have similar power? The Traveler has already purified corruption from Dvalin's Tear in the very first archon quest. I think this power is going to come back and the twins or just the Abyssal Twin will eventually purify Khaenri'ah with this power.
Abyssal twin will die.
Remember the flower Inteyvat?
It becomes soft and wither soon after.
Abyssal Sibling will revived the homeland. Purify it and die in our hand.
Then we will be given a choice.
Sacrifice Paimon and save our siblings or let them pass away.
hey aster, love your content. i just wanted to mention it would be really nice if you added subtitles, or raised the volume of your voice audio - i can barely hear you speak over the music and background noise, your voice is very quiet and since you talk quickly i have a hard time keeping up with the videos without having to rewind a lot. i am hard of hearing but i don't have this issue with other youtube vids. thanks for reading.
Is super interesting to know the many ways the curse affected people involved in the cataclysm we already knew hilichurl and abyss mages used to be people but now is confirmed that a grand mayority of mobs were victims of the cataclysm
And you do understand why the abyss sibling and Dain drifted, as he himself said the Khaenrian people didn't fall they transformed into something else with Dain being the only known person that still looks human unlike the rest of the victims, this follows the idea of something losing value because is broken when a lot of times it does maintain value but not everyone is able to appreciate the new meaning something broken had gain
It seems like a tricky situation because it looks like the abyss sibling is doing the right thing and it is right if you yourself believe a broken thing has no longer worth, Lumine herself s capable of realising this thinking is wrong with a little push of her brother that unlike her is not being blinded by the trauma of having survived the cataclysm
Before knowing the hilichurl were people we were first taught of their culture and language, losing that trying to recover what they used to be is sadder than knowing their past
It's not so much the matter of redemption that plays a part in Aether's conviction, but the matter of personal freedom and the right of an individual to make a choice for themselves. You could twist it to say that Aether is redeeming the actions of Lumine, if you wish to solidify the "heroes are redemptive" trope.
Ultimately, I think the sustainer of heavenly principles aka Celestia is the true boss and Lumine will join us to fight against her. Once we beat the Tsaritsa and show her that our way of doing things and power is superior to hers, I don't doubt she will align with us, too.
I think the original calamity includes all the attacks on other regions too, no? Like: Durin, monsters coming out chasm, and the waves of them in Inazuma. So, maybe they managed to resolve it inside their own nation, but all the other regions suffered from it a lot.
In my study of teyvat .. the fatui seems to believe in a higher purpose for their actions in which also seems benevolent in their view.
I doubt it. At least for the most scummy of them.
Sigñora likely say that purpose and trained many others.
But some only see Gain from working with the Fatui.
@@silverhawkscape2677 well i can't argue with that bro .. they are pretty fanatic on what they believe or so i dare say indoctrinated, brainwashed.. it's a theory..but in the comics they do take children and do stuff like a super soldier project if you get what i mean :)
The Abyss Order and the Fatui will never collaborate. The Stainless Bloom from the Pale Flame artifact set tells us the Fatui see the Abyss as an enemy equal to the gods/Celestia. The Abyss Order is also often described as enemies of humanity, which is like... the opposite of the Tsaritsa's ideals (if the Fatui uphold those ideals is a different question)
I'm quite disappointed with the pacing of this quest. Because I unlocked the chasm first. But on the archon quest they mentioned that the chasm isnt unlocked yet. I just wish that they changed the dialogue in case you already unlocked the chasm.
eh, i think because the Chasm's world quest involving Zhiqiong and the company was supposed to be before we get to Inazuma since the requirements to access it is just need to complete Liyue's archon quest. and during that world quest, mining in the Chasm was still prohibited. only people doing research were able to enter with permission like Zhiqiong and her team.
while during the dain archon quest, the Qixing actually permit the people to able to mine in the Chasm again. again, this just my own understanding of the dialogue. when paimon asked, "Chasm is not sealed off anymore?" for me it means that the Qixing no longer sealed Chasm for miners/regular people again. and since the one that commission the quest to Katheryne was a miner as well.
Imo Katheryne doesn't travel to Inazuma via waypoint. Each Katheryne from different region r connected to each other in some ways.
Simply put, what Katheryne does, sees and experiences will also be shared to other Katheryne(s).
That's why Liyue Katheryne talked as if she went to Inazuma and visited the shrine.
It is said that the Cataclysm happened because of Gold sending her creations to Teyvat thus causing destruction.
This made the archons fight in retaliation and even losing so much that victory doesn't even taste as sweet as it should have been (Ei losing her sister and Dvalin getting poisoned are examples of it)
But it is only Gold's creation right? I mean the ruin guards only went on separate ways when there was no longer anyone responsible in controlling them. I also never heard or read of Khaenriah's people itself causing attack to the other nation's citizens.
Dainsleif's lines always pertains to "protecting" Khaenriah which could point that the nation didn't actually meant to attack Teyvat thus them receiving the archon's wrath pushes them on defence instead of offence. Back then there were outside forces causing harm to Khaenriah's citizens which makes the guards, specifically Dainsleif, focus on protecting and escaping the people. There was no time to attack.
Which makes me think. What if Khaenriah was just included in that war accidentally? What if it was only gold who wanted her creation sent to Teyvat but not the whole of Khaenriah itself?
We all know that Celestia is already included in Khaenriah's destruction which tells me that they (Khaenriah) probably WOULD have opposed the heavenly principles but what if Khaenriah didn't meant for it to happen that fast? What if they weren't ready yet? What if it happened prematurely thus leaving them unprepared. Khaenriahn are intelligent people. They know the art of Khemia. They know that no matter how powerful they could be, a god is A god. It is very much unwise to see themselves superior.
I myself won't put it past Celestia to use that time of destruction and chaos to use their archons to destroy a possible threat to their throne.
After all, why not eliminate something before it grows into something powerful enough to over throw them?
So before Khaenriah could even grow into something more powerful, Celestia found the perfect opportunity and reason to destroy the Nation without making themselves look half as evil by connecting them to Gold's creation.
It's like killing two birds with one stone. Stop gold and destroy a powerful nation.
I.. well that's my theory lol.
Please if you don't agree then that's okay! I would definitely want to hear your thoughts in the matter. If there are errors also please tell me so that I would know. Thank you!
The thing is
Nahida reveals that Katheryine is an Snezhnayan Robot
Snezhnaya...
Honestly, I don't think the Fatui & the Abyss are gonna collab in the future ever.
They have the same goal, but their methods are quite different in pursuing that goal.
Plus as far as I can tell, the Fatui & The Abyss are enemies to each other.
In Tartaglia/Childe's story quest, it's pretty much confirmed that the Abyss & Fatui are enemies to each other when we are at the Ruin Guard research lab that Dottore of the Fatui Harbingers have been using to it to research the creatures of the abyss
RIP halfdan say hello to teppei for me
What I'd love is if we find out ther Katherine is either from Kannriah, or is an Abyss Lecter (the second means the first, but not necessarily the other way around)
The symbols on the Chasm walls look like writing seen on Tsurumi Island. Same civilisation?
Wanted a refresher on why buildings might be upsidown, 1:30 oooohhhh the Katheryne speculation haha. I love when foreshadowing is obvious in retrospect but plausibly deniable at the time. That's a sign to me that genshin writing aged well, as it changes the context of the dialogue dramatically in retrospect. Like, you get two stories for the price of rereading one.
Amazing video. Thank you so much
My favorite part of the quest was the flash back of the abyss twin and dain holding hands
I thought that was Halfdan's hands???
@@nhaan4178 it was definitely Halfdan's
@@pozzsicle yeah because the person was wearing the royal guard's uniform
@@nhaan4178 it was
It's a bit hard to follow what you say when you call Aether the MC and Lumine as the Abyss sibling because I have Lumine as the MC. If you could just say "Traveler" and the "Abyss sibling" that would make it better imo.
I think the "it" that allows Dain to remain himself despite the curse might be what created the breach between him and the abyss twin, what made them not get to the end of the journey together
Amazing video and story breakdown as always! I just found the music to be a little too loud compared to your voice which was at times a bit distracting
Also I don't think the Fatui and Abyss Order are likely to collaborate. If you wanna know reasons why, I recommend looking up the quest 'A Company Vanishing into the Deep'. Gives us a lot of info on the Fatui footsoldiers' mindsets-- but they all seem to believe that the Cataclysm never truly ended and remains an ongoing threat. While Abyss Order prioritizes attacking the Heavenly Principles and restoring Khaenri'ah, Fatui seem to be prioritizing attacking the Heavenly Principles AND the Abyssal Corruption.
i like this video, mstly because is videos like yours that help me better understand tis games lore, since i only have a single braincell, the most i can notice on my own is the fact that if you choose lumine the dialogue in realtin to the flower chages from implying that she put it on herself to implying that aether put it on her while she slumbered
I'm convinced there's a character sitting somewhere in tevat speaking for Katherine trolling the traveller. Like just sitting in a room with a mic
So, I'm confused. Dain said that hillichurls were made from the destruction of Khanreiah. But in the webtoon, we saw hillichurls existed long before the cataclysm ever occured. So where did those hillichurls come from?
Maybe from other civilizations that celestia destroyed?
I think it's pretty much confirmed that hilichurls exist before the cataclysm. Maybe it just exist naturally before or since celestia seems have habit just ending civilization they didnt vibe with...
@@josukejoestur it's possible. Celestia probably has some hillichurl beam
Spoiler ahead, from the manga and Mona voice lines
I wonder what this means for Kaeya, wasn't he a spy send by his father from Kanrya to Mondstradt?
That's interesting , it would mean that either 1) he was send away 500 years ago before or during the fall, or 2) Kanrya people still live amongst others in present day, despite the curse, and they are preparing something that required him to become a spy at the time.
I bet that's what Mona meant when she talked about Kaeya's future, maybe he'll have to choose between the abyss order (his people) or the Favonius knight.
Also, it would mean that even cursed people can get a vision OR that unlike his people, Kaeya escaped the curse somehow.
There's a theory that time in Khaenria is warped. Childe spends three months in the abyss but when he comes back to Teyvat it had only been 3 weeks. Kaeya may have seen the cataclysm as a child or an immediate descendent of Khaenrians.
So,I was wondering. Am i the only one confused by the fact that Jean has a voice line in which she describes the king of Khaenri'ah as heroic😐
From which quest is this?
where did u get that info
@@waifulover1538 In her voice line about her hobbies
@@deNisa_ysocold huh is that so
@@deNisa_ysocold tq for the info
just tell you in the Raiden shugon story quest act 2 she said she will be thinking about the ablution of the sakuko degree or the degree that enable travelers reach the land of Inazuma and i think since the event today it was maybe removed but venti once forgotten his ticket and was almost end up in jail
I agree I enjoyed the story! I know some are going to pick it apart and down play it's value but it did what it needed to do, set the stage for the next iteration of the story.
"Before i breakdown" Ye I'm past that line the chasm has broken me
Just wanna say something i noticed.the things that Glow from the new pillar we discovered in the chasm is the same that shows when we go to the setting and paimon show with the glowing forms
It sounds bitter sweet when Dain talks about that curse.
Antediluvian is such a fun word
There is one thing I don't understand, if the travelers homeland is khenriah then why only one sibling is helping the abyss order and other is fighting against them. If khenriah is their homeland then our protagonist should also understand and empathise them like the abyss sibling. Please somebody explain this to me🙏🙏.
maybe the protagonist doesn't remember, after all they only remember escaping from the meteor in khaenriah and leaving teyvat before the sustainer stopped them
@@rkssk17 i dont think so as aether/lumine clearly said that their homeworld has a very clear green sky n they are very advanced with technology as they managed to travel between worlds and know bout planets n stuff... yes their outfit seems to look like its. is from tevyat as they have symbols relating to primo which was introduced by the primodial one but that doesnt mean they are from tevyat.. they might be from the same place as the primodial one as the primodial one is also from anotherworld maybe same as the sibling... n when the sibling talks bout khaenriah being their homeland it may be coz one sibling woke up several yrs be4 the other n met khaenriah n stay there as if it was their home becoming attached to it
Me playing Xiao´s Legend Quest AFTER the Chasm Archon Quest.
-Wait Starsnatcher took the pain away from the Hilichulrs and that is why they gather like in the upside down city?
-Wait Xiao is angry because Starsnatcher "exorcize" take the pain away from the Hilichurls without killing them?
-Wait Xiao takes the curse of Khaenri'ah on himself? That´s the karma he accumulates?
Aster can you look into Xiao´s Quest again?
Finally an explanation to the homeland statement.
I am so happy that’s finally confirmed
Phew finally got around to doing the archon quest, so can finally watch this 🤣
Just a random thought mid video (still watching before this slips my mind). When they are talking about erosion, being "delayed by it"
I had this thought. Maybe completely off maybe a hint towards "it" (just want to share my crazy thought)
What if: the "" Gnosis delays the erosion" Maybe Celestia gave it to them not only for power. But because they Serve Celestia" keeping them as good pawns thus delaying the erosion is something the Gnosis might do" maybe abyss has something similar (Fatui proved they could mass copy sigils that childe used multiple of to summon a god, why not something like this, it should not be impossible)
Wasn't the defiled statue for the "Loom of Fate" operation?? Where they would try to make a god that can counter and defeat Celestia??? As Dain said even the Abyss cannot copy what the cleansing pool can do. We even find out that the cleansing operation was only recently approved (by Aether), therefore the defiled statue must serve the purpose of bringing down the heavenly principles.
Since the curse ties itself to the fate of the world itself, the loom of fate may be literal in a sense. The plan being to undo the curse as well as usurp celestia’s control of the world’s fate
At the end Dainslief had a weird, distorted voice or was it my imagination? Is the curse progressing faster after the event?