347 FORD HEAD & INTAKE TEST
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2020
- FULL RESULTS, STOCK 5.0L VS BRODIX, TFS TW vsCNC, SINGLE vs DUAL-PLANE INTAKES-ITS ALL HERE. Head flow is important on a 5.0L, but it is critical on a larger 347 stroker. The bigger motors require more head flow, but can there be too much? Test 1-Brodix head upgrade plus RPM Air Gap vs Funnel Web. Test 2-TFS TW as-cast vs TFS TW CNBC 185. Plus single vs dual-plane (different results).
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I think a lot of us would be interested in a TFS 11R 190 vs 205 vs AFR 185 vs 205 type testing!
3v 4.6 ford: Ported heads
1mm oversize valves
0.020 over 12:1 pistons
.550 intake .560 exhaust lift 237 246 duration comp cams.
Ford racing intake manifold
Makes power well into 7k rpm range. Fun car
Awesome channel 👍
I knew you'd show us the Parker Funnel Web, good choice, it's a great piece. You're doing everyone a great favor by highlighting all these good Ford combinations. Amazing that the very engine that Ford should never have stop making is so popular. It's hard to recommend something for you to do since you are covering the bases pretty well already. I'm a Chevy person but I have owned a Fox bodied car and I love the Windsor motor. Truly a great engine design.
Stock 5.0 bottom end , 185 AFR heads, F303 cam , rpm air gap, and 650cfm carb
Great video I just installed a set of flo tek 185cc on my 302 and plan on build a 347 this winter thanks for all the testing it gives me information that i would not have
I have a 393w that has a set of David Vizard ported heads that flow 315cfm from a 192cc intake runner.. small solid roller cam 245/253 @ .050 .674"/.674" lift on a 108 LSA 10.7 to 1 compression... It makes 1.4 lbft per cube torque and slightly over 600hp. Its topped off with a Holley Hi-Ram and two 660 center squirters...
I'm now building a Windsor based BOSS 429". In a project called MIXED UP BOSS you can see it on my Channel Unity Motorsports Garage. Using a set of Hammerhead Performance Engines Boss 429 style heads I'm looking to make 750hp from a 11 to 1 pump gas deal... Oh yeah those heads flow 396cfm out of the box!!! Keep up the great work!!!
Thanks
Andy
nice
Oooo, those Hammerhead hemi heads are some KILLER pieces - going to have to check that one out!
Those small block Hemi heads are something else....heard the bsfc numbers are awesome. A couple of nitrous cars run them ( The Silver Surfer Mustang is my favorite )
Holy shit! Hope to see that someday.
Bad azz f150 he has!! "Caspar" 👍
I’m putting together kind of an oddball combination right now. Here’s what I have
-393” Windsor motor
-comp cams roller retrofit cam, .513” lift 224/230 @.050
-hypereutectic pistons with 8cc valve reliefs
-heavily ported Holley systemax heads with the 2.02/1.60 valves
-ported Typhoon EFI intake
Should be about 10.5:1 compression with those heads and pistons. The whole package is going into a 2001 F-150 regular cab shortbed with the M5OD 5-speed and 3.55 gears. I’m going to run 5.0 Explorer ECM and harness to keep OBD2 functionality so it will still pass inspection in NJ, and tuning with a quarter horse. It should be a fun street truck when all is said and done. Oh and best of all, my 7 year old son calls it his truck, so I’m making him help build the motor for it and teaching him how engines work!
Awesome. Have fun with your son and your truck.
I’m running a stock block 347 with hyper flat tops and aluminum heads 520ish lift cam with 114 love sep and a performer rpm intake not air gap and I have had awesome luck with these little sbf engines love them wouldn’t want to build anything else! Thanks for all the information Richard!
Love the ford stuff, keep up the good work!
Great video Richard! I need to upgrade the ported 289 heads on my 306ci. Thirty five years ago, my heads had the best of everything-ported, larger valves, and small combustion chambers. Based on similar magazine builds, I estimate HP to be in the 310hp range. I can't wait to rebuild my SB with one of these aftermarket performance heads and FI!
Loved this video. Very interesting results with two different heads and intake combos!!! I would like to see a test with ported intakes vs imported.
Very good.
I could watch your videos all day long!
Greets.
Martin
Many thanks!
Love ya vids ! I’ve learnt so much of you !
Great content mate, love watching the difference different mods make, especially between dual plane to single plane intakes. Can you do a inline 6 manifold runner test? That would be interesting since old factory inlet manifolds are just log design.
Love all the SBF stuff. Keep it coming. I really appreciate all your content.
Ive built a 85 302, flat tappet comp 270h, patriot 190cc heads, 2.02/1.60 valves, 58cc chambers, torker 2 intake, 1.6 comp roller rockers, 600dp, shorties, and on a stock short block with factory flat tops. All in a 81 Mercury Capri. Really like the channel too, got some real good info on your vids👍
Another awsome video always a great watch and full of information
Love the channel. 331, ported TFS TW heads,F303, Procharger F1A, stock block. Kinds nervous
I have a fox that's been part of my little fleet for almost 20 yrs now. I use to buy MM&FF religiously back in the day and that car is very much inspired by what you use to put in those magazines. DSS 306, TFS 185 CNC heads, Comp XE266HR, Track Heat intake, Procharger P1SC-2, FAST XFI, AEM Water meth, Viper T56 from D&D yada yada. Not the most powerful combo but it's super fun and it's been together for years and years. Other than a new set of ford racing plug wires every 5 years or so and oil changes it's completely maintenance free.
I’ve built a few 351w with Edelbrock and AFR heads but my favorite engine combo is a little laughable but I’ve had it a long time and love. 327 ci Ford ( 3.25 stroke standard bore ). Red Cornet ported gt40 heads b303 cam air gap intake. Not powerful but puts my 67 mustang coupe in the 12.8 range consistently. It just always does what it’s supposed to and never misses a beat.
My street car combo from a 1970 Z-28 in the late 70’s; 350 Lt-1, 4 bolt main, .030 over, 11.5 : 1 Manley pistons, 492 angle plugs, ported exhausts similar to the old Crane style, intakes gasket matched, Crane roller rockers, Crane Compucam solid flat, short to medium circle track F260/360-2-12NC, 260 @.050, .540”/530”, Edelbrock Torker port matched, Holley 750 double pumper, Chevy distributor with Accel single racing points, base plate screwed down to housing, vacuum adv. removed, mech. adv. curved, Blue Streak cap/rotor, accel 9mm wires, end play shimmed, total adv @ 36 degrees, Hooker Competition 1 3/4” x 31”, 20 lb. Shiefer steel flywheel. She was a screamer, I would love to see that duplicated and run on the dyno to find out what hp it made.
302 HO with ported GT40p heads and upper and lower intake with 70mm Throttle body. Also running the E303 cam. The P heads flow best right at .500 lift and E cam has .498 lift. They seem to work good with eachother. Thanks for doing all this testing Richard! Your the man!
Someone who understands how to pair parts 💪
Awesome info as always! I mention you a lot in my videos.. The one coming out today mentions you actually.
Iv'e had really good luck with stock bottom end 302, SVE 170cc heads (as cast), TFS stage 1 cam, Explorer intake and 70mm on3 turbo with 15lbs of boost. Car runs really well with that combo.
just by reading it sounds like a nice little combo
I’m just glad it’s not another LS video.
I would like to see a dyno comparison on a holley carb vs holley sniper efi system. Great videos from a true blue Ford guy.
I’ve getting ready to build this same 347 and the same 302 in the last video. I’d love to see something on a 408/427 with EFI because I won’t to build a road race engine for my sn95 cobra r. I won’t to do a high winding 650hp 650torq deal. Keep up all the great ford stuff I love them all. Your definitely teaching me so much.
Want, not won't
Richard, I have a cool idea for the channel it's a series of episodes where you pick 3 random viewers from a sign up list. Those 3 viewers submit a parts list to build a motor that you pick. For example. Season 1 would be Ford 347 stroker. You have them pick the core parts pistons rods heads etc. If you cannot find or purchase the exact part you can try and fill in the blank with a comparable item. Some people would just pick their favorite 347 kit and that's ok too. From there you assemble and test each motor and score them on hp/tq, drivability (smooth idle, smooth revs), reliability and finally price. It would make for fun content. Once you finish the season you can blow them up with turbos or something.
We did a procharger P600B kit on a gears/exhaust 95 cobra back in the day. The rising boost curve was a good complement to the stock cam and long runner cobra intake. Made for a great/mild driver and put down something like 410 wheel.
Great job again. I have 363na with big heads and soild roller.
In the process of building a 347 with trick flow heads and a Holley dual plane. I have a 650 demon but after this think I might need to get a 750. Great video hope I have results like you got.
Love the small block Ford content. I would like to see you dyno a somewhat budget 393 or 408. Maybe try those as cast TFS heads and a stealth and something like an XE282HR. Guys can find those parts used. I would be interested in seeing how the AFR185 head does on this size engine. The 165 and 185 heads cost the same and are a bit cheaper than the 195 or 205 head. Maybe do a test with BBK shorty headers as they are the most inexpensive 351w swap header then upgrade to the BBK full length. Maybe cut the ball collectors off the BBK full length and see if that is a restriction or not. Thanks.
I have AFR heads on a 392 stroker with that 282 cam-pretty sure
@@richardholdener1727 I'd love to see a dyno of that , I have a 393 with a set of dart pro1 with a comp xehr getting married to a tremac 5 speed with holley HP EFI (and A.C. because Houston Texas)
I would REALLY like to see the Holley SBF Hi-Ram tested on a large cube setup like this - even better if both the front entry and the sick side entry hat were tested to see if there's any impact there(though I honestly doubt it, given how huge the plenum volume is with either).
Especially if it could be tested against the baller TFS Box-R - I'd LOVE to know the difference between the Box-R & Hi-Ram
@@richardholdener1727 yup....get it up....
or a nice 427 shortblock head shoot out? tfs-vs brodix-vs afr-vs?
@@kentgross787 right. Most interested in tfs 225 vs afr 225....doesnt have to be a wild engine ..
I like my afr 225s.
Great test
10.5 to 1 408 with 11r 205 Cnc ported heads with the same xfi 236 cam that’s you used in this test! Runs amazing! Streetable and gobs of torque
I would really like to see manifold differences on a 351 stroker, 408 or 427, good heads, moderate roller cam. RPM Air Gap vs Vic Jr.
Been done
Well, let's see how good that super vic 351W is on my street motor lol....
Super makes 50 hp more than airgap on a 427 at 6500
Thanks for sharing
332 Stroker (91 block) Scat rotating assembly, Mahle 30 over 4032 forged pistons, 6.5 cc dish, fancy small low drag ring pack, 18 thou top gap, 20 thou bottom gap, pistons are 6 thou in the hole, torque plate honed cylinders, tight clearances PTW @ 2 thou, mains clearance @ 2 thou, XE266HR12 cam straight up, linkbar lifters, full roller rockers, 6.45” pushrods, static compression at 10:1, dynamic @ 7.80:1, Blueprint HP9009 heads 2.02 intake 1.60 exhaust, 60cc chamber, .039 compressed head gasket, Weiand dual plane, Summit 600 vac secondary annular booster carb jetted 68-72, bypass return style fuel system set @ 4.5psi, timing 11 initial total all in by 2900, 65 psi full synthetic, cruising temps in summer 165-170, idle temps 185, running 91 octane, never heard knock, don’t know much about tuning, idle AFR @ 13.5, cruise AFR 15.5-16(pulling in more timing with vac sec) WOT AFR 12-12.5, I like it. Works for my manual granny low 4 speed 1980 Bronco on 35s with 3.50 gears (I DO use the 6.69:1 “1st” to get her fat ass moving) highway cruising at 80mph @ 2700 rpm, almost forgot, have a 1” open space between carb and intake
We all enjoy your comparisons. Continue Sir. Do not forget there is a big following that does not have the means for these upgrades or race in a series that must run stock equipment. I road race these 302 ford engines. Do a build with an Explorer motor with F.I. For max power gains. ( 6k max rpm. ) GT40 heads, Explorer Intake and and cobra style cam with factory shorty headers. Dirt, Asphalt and pure stock racers seem to be forgotten. Help us out.
Great video
I've got a 406 small block Chevrolet with stock rods, crank, and heads. The heads are a set of ported double humps with 2.02" /1.60" valves. The camshaft is a Lunati Barebones grind part # CL10120102 . It's got around 9.75:1 compression since I've got dishes piston with a 12.5cc dish. I slapped it in my 1972 Impala and it impresses everyone. It ran 15.11 @ 94.5 with a 2.73 gear, a turbo 350 trans, and it's 60' was around a 2.5. I did the math, and it's putting around 300go to the tire, though I've never had it on the dyno. If like to see what a combination like mine would do on an engine dyno.
Love the shorter introduction.
I put together 408 stroker. 10.2 compression, trick flow 11 R 190 cnc heads, Howard's cam 236 - 245 duration with 597- 597 lift, and a 110 lobe separation. Edelbrock RPM performer intake manifold ( not the airgap ). A 650 double pumper quick fuel carb, and with 30 degrees of timing, this combo made 525 HP and 530 torque at 5900 RPM'S, and that was with spinning the water pump and the alternator. Would have put a victor Jr. On it with an 830 carb, but don't have the hood clearance. Makes for a thrilling ride in my 2400 pound cobra.
The ONLY thing cleetus has going for him is $ he pays someone else to do the thinking. you on the other hand are the thinker. Good job another great Ford video!
Cleetus (Garrett Mitchell) is a genius at automotive entertainment. He has never held himself out to be any kind of an expert like Richard is. He is extremely successful at what he does and you can’t fault him for that
Thats kind of what I had an idea on too
A 347 with cast twisted wedge heads. Proves you dont need really big heads in the street at least
no not necessarily bigger heads but better flowing heads. the better your heads flow the less cam you need to make power. really good flowing heads with a mild cam will always make a better power curve than mediocre heads and a larger cam.
I built a mild LA318. It was out of a 71 Plymouth Duster. I used the factory heads but increased the intake valves to 1.94 and kept the 1.50 exhaust valves gasket matched heads and Edelbrock performer intake. It was bored .030 over and I used KB 167-030 pistons that sat .003 below deck Cometic C5633-027 MLS gaskets. Comp 20-222-3. Holley 750 0-76750 carb. It made 314 before any tuning the rear seal started leaking badly so on tuning was done. I changed the intake to an Edelbrock 5076 torker ll and went with FiTech injection when I installed it in my 87 Dakota. I don’t know what it would have made with some tuning but it runs great in the Dakota now. The little 318’s just don’t get any love I sure would like to see you do a mild to wild on one.
I have a rock crawler and I've been running a combo for awhile and I'm curious on where the power is actually made. 351W with OLD TFS170 (was told they cc'd out to 185) heads with a Comp XE274HR-12 cam. I've got a Summit billet sparker and a Fi-Tech 600PA setup up top with some shorty headers. It works great and I'm often asked what motor I'm running because it just SINGS over 5k :D Love what you do, you are a LEGEND who should have 10x the subscribers you have, keep up the awesome work!
Loving the channel, do an all out sbf, 460+ci with all the fruit, want to see if mine measures up
First of all - awesome video. I really enjoyed it. One thing I would love to know is whether valvetrain longevity should be or is part of the equation on a build like this. For example, Ford installed really mild camshafts with killer 4V Cleveland heads in their street motors. Could you run the ported heads with a milder camshaft and improve the longevity of the valvetrain by decreasing your lift while keeping power close to what the as-cast heads made?
I really like these comparison videos. Can you please do a test of a big block Mopar stock head, Edelbrock, and trick flow on a street 440? I can't find a comparison like this anywhere.
I'm putting together a dss347 stroker with the TFS 185 CNC heads, ford motorsports/Vic Jr single plane, compcams extreme energy cam. But going to run either a fitech or Holley EFI setup. Hopefully I can get the same numbers.
Never dyno'd it, but it passed smog easily. 1995 Mustang GT 5.0. CHP 331 kit, Crower 212 @ .050 single pattern 114 lsa cam, 9.5:1, Valley Head Service GT40P pocket ported heads, stock intake and exhaust. Stock 5 speed and a 3.55 rear gear and Auburn lsd. Great daily combo that got 20 mpg.
331 solid roller with fox lake cnc twisted wedge heads. Funnel web intake and a demon carburetor.
Right on
That's good info to know
I’d luv to see u run a set of P-38 Kaase heads!
@@robertmoore3925 Too bad cause they appeared to be awesome.
Stock bottom end Vortech V2 Si Supercharger on 13lbs of boost 90mm Mass Air Anderson Power Pipe 75mm BBK Throttle body TFS Street Heat Intake Pro Topline/RHS 180cc Heads - Inspected by Holbrook Racing Engines E-303 Cam MAC 1 3/4” Long Tube Headers . Behinds a T-5 it made 452 to the tire.
for a sbf test, id like to see a stroker cleveland build with aftermarket heads. especially since the same data can be applied by the guys building clevors. keep the content coming and get a new punching bag too.
Yikes! The Chinese single plane was hot garbage! I never knew there was such a difference between those and the real RPM or Funnel Web.
Yeah that thing is terrible, very poor casting quality. It would take a lot of work to get it to perform half decent and still wouldn’t come close to a reputable single plane.
KCLH17? Oh THATS catchy! Rolls right off the tongue.
Think kc was kuntz & co they ran some of those on a dyno vid
Great channel!! Love the dyno testing !!!
Would like to see a 347 with Trick flow 11r 190s with a Holley systemax combo with a high 500/low 600 cam, great content btw much appreciate all these combo tests
Its not the heads that are the limiting factor. It's the intake manifold and carb. Port the intake manifold and give more airflow and the motor will make more power.
My first combo I put together was in my 73 dart swinger it was stock block crank rods pistons and head's besides valve springs I ran a Holley street dominator intake and a 600 CFM Edelbrock heddman headers 2.5 inch exhaust and and Mopar purple camshaft I can't remember the spec's exactly but I'm pretty sure it was like 458 lift and 270 something duration with the 2000 stall and 727 torque flight it ran really good this was back in 99 so most modular mustangs were a walk in the park even beat a ws6 drop top on a 25 roll unfortunately got hit by a drunk driver she went to scrap yard heaven still miss that car to this day
I'm putting together a 408w with 4v Cleveland heads, I'd love some information and exploration on the Cleavor's, as I always see absolutely Insane power outputs from them.
Nice video. I have a 95 stock bottom end 302 with trick flow top end kit. On3 67mm turbo kit running 18 lbs of boost on 91 oct. I just bought all new fuel system so I can run e85. I'm about to buy a 76 75 turbo from vss. Aiming for a record or bust. Might go bigger heads and intake to get more power as well. But also trying not to rev to the sky to keep the stock bottom end happy.
Yikes, sounds like you are pushing that stock block right to the edge.
Back in the early 2000s I ran a set of Trick Flo heads on a 347 I think they were a R series or something but I had a shit ton of trouble out of the valve guides. I had to take the valve seals off and leave them off or it would bust the valve guide. It had the pedestal mount rockers and the geometry was right just couldn’t stop the guide issue. Car ran in the 5.70s to 5.90s in the 1/8 and then that was supper fast now it’s slow lol I got a 468ci Windsor now that I’m switching to turbo but I’d love to see some test done on the smaller cubic inch like stock to 393 to the bigger bore 427 or 434/438. I run a Yates D3 head and on Nitrous car went 4.93
back when i was stationed at camp Pendleton. i built a short rod 347. started with a CHP short block cast steel crank, forged rods and slugs. gt40y heads that i ported and port matched tl intake edlebrock rpm intake. TFS cam .499/.510-275/279. stock lifters. crane energizer 1.7 rockers. holley 670cfm vacuum secondaries. i never had it dyno'd but i figured it made 415-430. i had it in a 70 maverick and then later in an 83 bronco.
Best thing you can do with a 302 is swap it for a 351W.😎
Did that about 15 Years Ago in my 86 Mustang. Then did a 351 Cleveland after the 69 351 Windsor Engine. About 10 Years Ago made the switch a a 521 Stroked BBF, Absolutely love the Insane Low End Torque, and it still pulls hard to 7000 rpm. When it comes to cylinder heads, me and my bro. Always use Trickflow Heads for all of our Ford Small and Big Blocks. Really liking the Jon Kaase Heads too. Might be trying his SR-71 on my Big Block. When it comes to FORD Cylinder Heads, for me it's Trickflow or Kaase nothing else.
Yes and no, fitment is a concern in some applications
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Tell me about it.
I put a 351W in my ‘74 Bronco with a stock hood and no body lift.
It’s tighter than a cuns nunt.
@@magdump7380 I want to v8 swap my Mercedes, but there’s no way in hell a 351 will fit
Did a fun street motor in buddies 65 Stang...331..AFR 195’s...XR270HR...RPM AIR gap...650DP...4R70W 3400 stall...3.90’s. It’s a great pump gas street motor runs 11.7 at 115 on motor...10.9 at 125 100 shot.
Still love to see a I 6 turbo Barra and or Cleveland 393 stroker .
I would of liked to have seen it with a ported gt40p head!! Thank you for the info, I’m building a 302 stroker 330, with aforementioned heads with a .500 lift ford roller cam, now performer rpm air gap (had China special), w/ summit 550 carb, .027 head gaskets, I know I’ll touch an easy 410 ft/tq, on a 70 Ford 100 short bed, with an AOD !! Perfect all around town/camping/cruising/ kind of truck!! Thanks again for the info!!
Keep the videos coming, amazing content!!!
Cool video. Not sure what I’m going to go with. Probably a cheap gt40 set up with a good cam
I have a basic 306 combo. Unported twisted wedge, andersson b3 cam, rpm2 intake. It's a decent combo and feels good on the street.
Any way you can do direct cam only comparisons? Maybe do something like a stock set up and do cam swaps vs a decent set of heads or even pro comps and do cam swaps. Run from stock and do comps xe268, 270, 274, 282. So we can see how much we really gain from cam Choice. Keep it up, your videos are awesome.
Even on the larger 347 the stock E7 heads basically keep up with all of the aftermarket heads up to around 3500 (equal to or within 10 lb./ft. of torque). If someone had a good set of E7 heads that would only need a fresh valve job, a bowl blended/cleaned up set would make a great sleeper daily driver on a 347. You are still getting the magical 1 hp per cu/in and all of the low and mid range you can get for a really fun stoplight to stoplight street car.
I am running on my 1990 5.0HO GT40P iron heads with a spring upgrade 1.7 SVO roller rockers 3/8 hardened push rods the heads were decked 10 thousandths I am running a stock cam with 14 degrees advanced on the distributor and 24 pound per hour injectors on the stock intake
Like to see a comparison of the trick flow 11r 170 compared to a 11r 190 on a 302, 331, or 347 preferably 302 or 331
I second this! Also try a 205 11R head to see if it loses power?
Have had a few really good combos!
I ended up going 11.3x's at 115~mph with a 10.5:1 347 using cheap Pro Comp 190 heads, an XE274HR, air gap intake, 750cfm carb and 1-5/8" headers. 2880lbs race weight
Then I went 10.84 at 122mph on the same shortblock with AFR 205 Renegade heads (#1450), victor jr intake, 780cfm Holley, 1-3/4" headers and an XR292R (I believe) Comp solid roller grind. .621/.627" lift and 254/260 at .050".
I believe very similar combos were both ran by you and Brule in your Dyno Proven SBF Performance book! I highly recommend it to anyone.
Bro thank you for posting this! I’ve been ripping my hair out trying to decide if I should run my pro comp 210cc heads on my 347. Ppl talk so much sh** on pro comp it’s making me nervous. It’s a 10.5:1 347, comp xe270hr cam, pro comp 210cc heads, dual plain air gap. All
I wanna do is be able to honestly say I make 400hp at the crank. Let me know what you think. It’s going in a daily driven 91 notchback.
Great book.
Haven't built a stroker YET; but in the planning/parts gathering stages of one with the nephew for his Fox body. It's not a SBF though, but it will be replacing one... 533" BBF - 4.440(.080 over) bore + 4.300 stroke. It's a stock late model block, so hoping that the more limited 4.300 stroke(vs 4.4 or 4.5) with a 6.800 rod will be a little easier on the cylinder walls in side loading; and the 4.440 bore because, well, ALL THE BORE ALL THE TIME! Maximize the potential of the heads, unshroud those valves!
Molnar rotating assembly with 10.5:1 CP or Mahle pistons(TBD), Kaase SR71 heads, undecided on intake, a good chance it'll be a single plane... but I REALLY want that bad ass TFS Tunnel Ram and get the flanges milled for the CJ-style heads(the TFS tunnel is made for their A460 heads, which have a different intake flange angle).
All run by Holley Terminator X EFI, should have NO PROBLEM making damn good NA power - which means that it should have even less of a problem pushing the factory block to its limits if we choose to once we add a turbo or two in the future......
(one of these days I'll be posting about the results of this combo, I swear! Lol)
Hey Richard would you consider doing like a sbf test with all the "cheap" aluminum heads ie pro comp, skip white, pro maxx etc!!
I definitely wanna see proComp / Speedmaster heads tested ! Especially by someone who knows what they're talking about.
I would only use those heads if they were purchased bare. Wouldn't use the cheap valves, cheap valve springs, and crumby machining. You get what you pay for. AFR 165 or 185 for less expensive mild combo. You could do the as cast heads of the Edelbrock Victor Jr or as cast Trick Flow Twisted Wedge. Anything less than these would be poor choice in budgeting a build. The cheap heads have been known to break valve springs, the valves have separated, and the machine work was trash. Break open the piggy bank and/or save to spend $1600 plus for heads.
Where’s the boost??? Love all your videos and share them as often as possible
What I have that works is, unfortunately, not a pushrod motor. Stock Gen 2 Lightning blower, cams, and upper and lower plenums (with a ‘00 Cobra R throttle body) attached to a stock 5.4 block filled with a Manley rotating assembly. For heads, they are sporting 1mm larger intake and exhaust valves and some pocket porting. This is drawing through a 90mm MAF, field by the stock fuel system, exhausted by Kooks long tubes, Bassani cat pipe and cat-back. The blower is running overdriven (of course) with a 2.5 upper and 6 lower pulley set. It’s not perfect. Everyone knows that I know it needs a better blower. Money is king on that. This is good and reliable, for the moment. My dad had this built, and I inherited it.
Richard. Good points on DIY bowl work.
How about cleveland(or M) 2v heads . Dual plane air gap or similar. Factory cam, untouched heads (except springs for lift). Then add a "decent" cam with 215 I / 220 E duration and .500 to .550 lift.
Then YOU pocket port and show us what ya did. Retest with factory cam and the decent cam. Maybe cap it off with a "good" cam in the 235 I / 240E duration and .550 to .600 lift.
Love your videos! Why use a 114 LSA? Might work okay with the dual plane or EFI, but kills a single plane anywhere under 7k rpm.
108-105 would have been a lot better
10hp briggs with 2 air pumps belt driven like superchargers from 80's something Ford pickups blowing thru a carb with the load jet taken out. It made a pretty hot running go cart. :-) It broke a lot of 50 chains. LOL
Which specific TFS as cast heads were used? I have a Ford 347 stroker w/the aftermarket Ford Boss 302 block that I am building and trying to decide on sticking with a TFS as cast TFS-51410004 170 CC INTAKE W/61 CC COMBUSTION CHAMBERS. I planned on doing some port work on them, but wanting 500-550+ HP and thinking it will be the restriction as I believe that they are going to max out at 500 hp. I am also going to run a 750 demon sitting on top of a Victor Jr intake that I will port match and do some more blending work. I am also planning on the XFI236HR-14 comp cam possibly. Planning on running about 11.5 :1 compression. I have also considered running a solid roller cam to wind it out in the power band to take advantage of the single plane manifold. I will be running a billet flywheel, aluminum rods and light weight pistons and a forged scat crank.
I would like to know your thoughts if there is enough flow with these heads to support the power numbers with the extra porting and blending work on the heads. It would appear that is what your video mentions that they would if you are referring to the same head. I do not know what the potential of the flow of these heads once ported. Can they support over 550 HP with some mild porting? 600 HP would be amazing if I can get it out of these heads.
3 Haters outta be ashamed of themselves smfh.... Keep the Great info going Rich... Plus I always share these videos man💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Would love to see a small block make power to 7k rpm. Is it all in the cam/valve train? This test shows that all the flow in the world wont keep a motor from rolling over at 5,700.
I have a 496 BBC, unported 702 heads w/ larger valves, flat tops, COMP Magnum 215 hyd roller (11-240-8), perf RPM intake, long tubes, and upgrading from vacuum secondary holley to a holley sniper efi system. Never dyno'd it, but it makes my lifted suburban feel very light and nimble. I've always wondered if my heads were worth upgrading. On the one hand, they have big valves and ports, but on the other, they're not ported and have lots of shrouding. My gut tells me it probably isn't worth the effort, especially given the rpm range of my cam. My other baby is a foxbody with an f303 cam, long tubes, canfield heads, flycut OEM pistons, and a kenne bell blower with a 90mm throttle body (if that sounds impossible, it is- I had to make a custom intake spacer to make it clear the heads, even with the stock valve covers. it was a nightmare, b/c then the pulley brackets didn't line up). To this day, I have always regretted using those heads. The build made amazing power and torque (big surprise) and the heads were free, which was great! But using those heads made the project take twice as long and cost twice as much, which meant I wasn't driving the car, and I didn't learn anything new when it was over! In hind sight, it would have been way more fun (and cheaper, and faster) to port my E7s with stock valves and better springs, flat mill the heads, stroke it, put a big high-rpm cam in it to compensate for the weak heads, throw on some shorty headers and call it a day. Maybe an aluminum flywheel if there's money left over. I don't see many tests like that though. Big cam + stock heads + other mods = who knows, lets find out!
Can you do something on DIY porting and also the other guy building a AMC V8
I’m running blueprint heads they are ok I would like to have them ported!
Even though the as cast heads can support 500 hp it still picked up 30 hp on a 480 hp build with the cnc ported heads.
Have you thought about doing story videos? Kind of like David Freiburgers work from home video on Motortrend? I'd like to hear more about you road racing the Fox body and the Civic at Bonneville
My combo 4.030 bore , 4.170 stroke , hydraulic roller .612 lift 242, 248 duration at .050..AFR 205 just cleaned up and fresh PAC Beehive springs .. 59 cc or so puts compression about 10.5 .. Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4 EFI 1 3/4 LT headers with hi-flo cats and 2.5 dual exhaust . Running with TKO 600 manual with 3.73 gear in 89 fox body. I would love some comments on whether this should work well , last 357W with less compression went 12.09 at 113mph in 3150lb hatchback, I am really hoping for bottom 11's with new combo. Motor should be installed this week.
Pulled the heads and a piston this afternoon
I checked twice
30 thou on a spark plugs gapper. I checked it it's 30. As is. Gonna measure the rest of the cylinders. Had to stop for the day. Needs cam bearings so I removed the rear cover . Crank and rod bearings look good an pass the fingernail test. Ported oil pump exit and shimmed the spring. I need a hp license for a flex ecu. I have it in mine but no table setup. Got a bunch to do but all the hard pieces are here and going to water cool the turbos off heater core feed they are already plumbed with water ported centers. Should be impressive when I get it together dammit
Off subject of the video,when you talk about opening up the ring gap is that JUST the top ring or both? As always thank you for the videos
both top and 2nd
331 Keith Black pistons afr 205 renegade heads 1.6 roller rockers victor jr tall intake 800 cfm demon carb. Lunati 549"-564" 270-280 duration 112 LSA. Do you think this would be a good combination for a single or twin turbo at 10 to 15 lb of boost?what kind of numbers would you expect? Thank you love your videos
Hey Rich, I asked you about my pro comp heads recently. Thanks for the help! Here’s my combo. 347 stroker,10.5:1 compression, comp ex270hr cam, pro comp 210cc heads, dual plain air gap, Holley 650. I know the cam is mild. It’s gunna be my daily driver. Maybe later on I’ll spice it up. Let me know what you guys think it will make!!!
460hp?
@@mattblack9344 that would be nice. The heads are the questionable part
@@bluecollarfox916 try a 750carb.go from there.
I'm running 347 stroker with afr185 cylinder heads trick flow stage 2 cam Holley dominator intake dss dish pistons forged everything 660 Holley carburetor
Those are some nice numbers. Im not sure now on what I should put in my fox body. I was gonna go with a 427 stroker. I would like 500+ n/a before a power adder later. Mostly street driven.