Ex-Pastor from Gateway Church SPEAKS OUT About Robert Morris SCANDAL @CBNnewsonline
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Ex-Pastor from Gateway Church SPEAKS OUT About Robert Morris SCANDAL @CBNnewsonline
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….his “idolaters” had made him a god,
Martin Luther, inn his commentary on Galatians, with his great ability to think “the opposite” or critically , on David’s massive sins , “the people have to take responsibility , as they had set him up to to be struck down … for when God says , “i will share my Glory with no man” David had unknowingly broken God’s law… as his idols kept pushing david higher and higher. The answer? Evangelicals perhaps should test the media outlets , and perhaps approve 5 year limits…for heading the megas’ meganous, never allow any nepotism …are there mega churches not built On the charisma of the pastor? Are all megas then marked by God to learn the lesson “ i will share my glory with no man?” No more billy grahams where he speaks as a pope, costing us HIS Gospel presentation, where “and invite him into your heart” or the 4 steps of bill😅 bright!! We think the Gospel is too simple. 1) we are separated by our sin 2) Christ , by his atoning sacrifice 3 ) has made us right with God!! By trusting in him and His sacrifice we are seen as acceptable with God. All is well if you trust christ , just as abram trusted this We cannot be with God in our condition! I
@@jenniferoestrike750 NO it definately isn’t. The tongue is a dangerous organ. Please be careful what you say
Thank you!
My faith is in JESUS,Man WILL ALWAYS FAIL YOU.
He is doing a great job explaining why so many people are protecting Robert Morris as if he is the victim.
Robert Morris should never be allowed to preach again. “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.”
Your right but paul in the bible ordered people the deaths of the disciples and he was preaching
@@emekaobi7572 if the Elders and Cindy's father had reported the abuse to the legal authority, Morris would not even be the topic of discussion. He probably would just be released from prison.
@@emekaobi7572 and God said Paul would suffer great things for the cause of Christ. It ended with Paul being beheaded.
@@naturallyric84what does that have to do with this?
I think you mean to say he shouldn't be Pastor. Of course he shouldpreach the gospel, shouldnt everyone despite their sin? preaching and pastoring are different
WHY didn’t her parents press charges on Robert back then?? WHY it makes no sense to me.
If this happened to your DAUGHTER, wouldn’t you inform authorities?? It’s a CRIME!!
Because the church teaches people that Jesus says to forgive
Did you ever think that she was scared and didn’t tell them?
@@vicariousjohnson9823 she DID tell them
@@vicariousjohnson9823 Cindy states she finally confided in a friend at age 17, and the friend urged her to tell her father and he confronted Robert and the Church. Consider the imbalance of power and the fragility of this child who has only just confronted her family. facing the power of the Church and the Media storm , Only her family knows why they decided not to lay charges. BUT here we go again mindlessly attacking the victims.
They may have been trying to keep their kid from dwelling more in the situation? I’ve been at a church where a similar thing happened with a youth pastor. The elders brushed it under the rug after letting the YP go and the parents didn’t want to press charges because they didn’t want to ‘tarnish the reputation of the church’. It’s disgusting. But thank God everything comes to light
Why Robert Morris wasn't put in prison a long time ago was beyond me! The most devious kind of sex predator, a trusting pastor! 🙏😠🎆🚨
Bc the church and the parents failed this child....No where in scripture would a criminal only be subject to church discipline..
@@NB-nh2sf Actually the exact opposite of what you are saying is how Paul tells the church to act/ react. Here is some extremely relevant teaching on how to handle sin regarding sexual immorality in 1 Corinthians 5, the apostle Paul speaks of a believer who had been sexually immoral, apparently with his stepmother. Rather than condemning the act, the Corinthian Christians had tolerated the behavior. Paul taught they should remove this person from their church family (1 Corinthians 5:3). Later, in 2 Corinthians, this same person had turned from this lifestyle, and Paul advised the Corinthian believers to accept him again. The goal of discipline is not to be mean or cold-hearted but to condemn sinful behavior and issue a call to change. In 2 Corinthians 2:8, Paul writes, “I beg you to reaffirm your love for him” (ESV).
Christians are called to handle disputes in love, with a goal of restoration. Conflict should be handled according to the steps listed in Matthew 18. This style of conflict resolution is based on a desire for holy living and love for the person who has committed wrong.
@@NB-nh2sf I think the father was protecting his daughter from further turmoil most likely but it was the wrong decision the father should have reported him and made it clear he can never hold a Godly leadership position again. There are certain lines you don’t cross. He also should have faced jail time.
@@NB-nh2sfthank you!
We’re in the end times. Many will fall. Stay strong.
I was an altar boy, raped from 9-12 by my Eucharist minister/neighbor. I came forward at 20 and was DARVO’d by my own family..I loved Gateway, Ravi, Tony Evans, Hillsong, etc..I’m lost and devastated
🙏May the Lord heal and restore you in your journey with Him. we don’t look to man.
Oh my goodness, I am so sorry you went through that. I also experienced abuse from a pastor. I am lost as well.
I am so sorry that happened for you. Please don’t give up. And remember, actions always speaks louder than words. I have been through it too. I am very hyper aware over how people act. Fortunately, compassion is out there too. People aren’t perfect, but the sense of appreciation and love does help deal with those times.
@@JillCeeagree ❤
I am so sorry for your pain that you have been put through by evil people. God will punish them in His time. They will not escape judgement. Turn more and more to the Lord Jesus tell Him how you are hurting, He will bring comfort to you. Trust in Him. Unfortunately a lot of these mega churches are obsessed with power and money. Read your Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you to a church where you will find the love of God being displayed in that people will care for you and look out for you. May God bless you, heal and comfort you.
Robert Morris should be in jail
i don´t think so , first this happened in the 80s and nothing happened so why bring it up today after so many years ? However the most important part from all this is if you are harboring something secret from your past it will catch up to you
I want to hear from the parents.
I live in Texas , there’s no statute of limitations here on rape . I’m a father of 2 little girls , and I’ll tell you , I’d be in jail if someone molesta my child. Robert Morris is monster .
I think most fathers of girls agree with you 100%!
Actually it's till 48th birthday of a abused minor regardless of type of abuse here in Texas, it's till age 45 in OK. BUT her dad was on the hook himself for failure to report until last year (35 yrs after last knowledge, when she was 19), if she brought charges against PRM, her dad and anyone at Shady Oaks would also be charged for FTR. He definitely was one, a monster, definitely... but when does he get to turn to God for forgiveness, and become what God intended? Are YOU your worst act or thought? I would hope you aren't. I don't have any daughters, so I apologize that I cannot directly sympathize with you, Elder Tra has 7 children, 6 are daughters, he delivered the Board of Elders message live last Saturday at 4pm, I was there in 2nd row. I imagine you feel very similar to Tra, and for that my heart breaks for you, but this happened 42 to 37 yrs ago, and by God I would hope I'm not the same person I was just 5 yrs ago, let alone who I was at ages 21-25?! I'm NOT diminishing the crime, it happened! But I also feel that that crime led to all of his books and ministry ever since. He must've know that someday this would come to light, but I believe God used these last 35 yrs for HIS glory, and it's HIS glory we should never forget. God uses the worst failures of people throughout the Bible for HIS Good works, how is this different? Maybe it feels more personal?! BUT going there 13 years now, I've had but maybe 20 words with him. I've had quite a bit more interaction with Mark Job, Kari Job's father. THINK of all the good that God has brought about in spite of a very sinful man in his early 20s?! Please don't throw out the baby with the bath water, it's Jesus we worship, not a pastor, not even a building?!
@@CrazyLikeOnegood points 😢
Though i think he admitted failure not attacking a child - a little leaven ( a lie in this case ) leavens the whole lump
And there may be more 😢
@@ThePossumone that may well be true, but I have multiple family members that have worked for him last 10 yrs, and my father-in-law is a Pastor, as is my sister-in-law's father-in-law. And the protections in place around him is 2nd to possibly only POTUS. But the biggest point is that so many assume it was his chosen words and not Shady Oak's Attorney, her Dad, Debbie or a combination of the above, or it could all be his. But I refuse to assume the worst in anyone first. Especially with all these years gone by. The only logical reason is CC was protecting her own dad from complacency for allowing his 2 years removal from ministry to get church treatment, but legally both her and her dad would be required to give signatory approval of his return to ministry. It doesn't work any other way. If Shady Grove didn't get their sign off, they'd be setting themselves up to be sued into oblivion. Again, I wasn't there, nor were ANYONE else in these comments. Was it a crime? It should have been but it wasn't. Was it Criminal? 100%. Was it predatory? Absolutely. Does that make EVERYTHING he's done since, false? No. In fact quite the opposite, according to the Bible I read, the biggest heroes of faith were treacherous and failed men, adulterous and murderous. The bigger the failure, the more God used them. David was a peeping tom first, used his position of power to bring Bathsheba up to "his room" were he had his way?! How old was she? He made her pregnant so he called back one of his 30 Mighty Men, Urriah to cover it up, but he was too righteous to sleep in his own home or with his own wife. So David sent his own murderous order of execution by Urriah's own hand, to his untimely murder.... then David took Bathsheba for yet another wife. Yet AFTER this, God called king David, "A man after my own heart!" Wait, WHAT??? Not only that, God punished Israel for 3 days for his sins! God took his first born son of her after 7 days, BUT then Blessed king David to be possibly the 2nd richest man to EVER live, AND blessed these two's 2nd son, Solomon... more than ANY OTHER person, EVER! THEN, Jesus allowed Himself to be called, "Son of David?!" So if I use that Biblical reference of forgiveness and redemption and used of God, why can't God have used Robert Morris after an awful sinful life??? I don't EVER believe God's arm is too short to redeem ANYONE regardless! Peter denied Jesus Christ 3 times in His presence! Now THAT'S the worst sin I can imagine told us in the Bible?! Jesus had compassion on him! Samson murdered 1,000 Philistine's because he was angry. Then God allowed self-sacrifice to kill well over 3,500 more. Saul condoned Stephen's stoning and imprisoned and persecuted Christians, and on his way to do even worse when God stopped him in his tracks. So I'm sorry for all the flack I'm going to get for this, but let's be real, it was 37 years ago that it stopped! To think that God hadn't used him during all of these decades is insane. Yes, what he did as a young 20s year old is inexcusable, BUT Shady Grove and her dad DID excuse it. No matter what they say they said or did now, doesn't change the reality of what had to happen! Her dad was a pastor, although RM was simply a young traveling evangelist. If there were a mistake, it was allowing a man at such a young age become an evangelist BEFORE he was even saved, his words not mine! Room 12 Jake's Motel is where and when he got saved. He was married before he got saved! I know drug users, prostitutes even politicians that get saved but it doesn't mean they don't still sin!!! I sin after decades of being saved, my Pastor FiL still sins after being saved longer than I've been alive! He's had his church one-by-one walk out on him, his sin? Opposing me for his daughter and breaking us up 5 yrs before we got married then 7 yrs after we got married before our first Civil conversation! Everyone fails God, EVERYONE! BUT now we're fantastic friends/family!!! God can heal anything, BUT unforgiveness of man, Jesus sternly WARNED us against doing that. If you don't forgive your brother, neither will my Heavenly Father forgive you! God forgives EVERY SINGLE ONE of us, EVERY one of us deserves eternal damnation for our own sins... do we not? Trying to have degrees of sins, 1. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit; 2. Failing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior; 3. Not forgiving your brother or sister; 4. Causing little ones to stumble. So everyone without forgiveness is guiltier (sp?) NOW then RM was 42-37 yrs ago!
Lastly, twice Father Abraham was afraid of two kings, so he told them Sarah was his sister, and didn't Stop the king from taking Sarah and putting her with his harem! How wrong was that??? The king was potentially punished by God, but God didn't punish Abraham for deception, twice, the king admonished both of them though. God didn't punish Abraham for taking Haggai for himself as another wife to have a son, nor did God punish Sarah for forcing her out?! See my point? We cannot see as God sees, and we should stop thinking we're better or bigger than God, if God can forgive and bless RM for 35 yrs, then we should also forgive. That's my point, and it saddens me that some Christians think their sins stink less to God than someone else's sin does?! We ALL crucified Jesus, does the Bible not say this???
@@CrazyLikeOne Beautiful testimony along with Biblical examples of heroes who had great moral failures. I wrote something similar to what you have written in answer to another comment.
I want someone from the old church in Oklahoma to speak out, who was part of the initial exposure, repentance, and 2 years of counseling and reinstatement in 1989. I think this insight would be helpful.
robt morris took off 1 month! he preached for james robison in 1981 when this was going on.
@@dfwguy7149 ..... If he preached in 1981....but Cindy said this happened for the first time in Dec 1982.
Just finished reading the letter James wrote to the believers; chapters 1-5.
Sexual immorality and sexual impurity is all sin in God's eyes.
If you are watching people having sex on porn sites, that is sexual immorality/impurity too.
@@dfwguy7149 .... 1982 December 25th Cindy said it started
He said he looked for vulnerable girls. Is it possible that he had other victims?
Yes it is possible
He says they were really he says girls 😢
When this story came out. I am still have flashbacks and I can't stop crying. My grandmother blame me for what happened to me when I was 2 years old .I was also abused at mormon church temple.
At 2!!!???!!! I'm amazed anyone could remember anything at that age! I didn't snap into consciousness until 3!
I'm sorry for your loss of innocence!
I have memories from age 2 as well. Mine are not traumatic. So sorry this is a part of your story. We pray you heal fully much sooner than you ever thought was possible. All in Jesus' name, Amen 🙏💕
@@CaroleSusanthat's nice of you to say but there is no healing from SA unless it's physical
@@TheMagician2024 what do you think Jesus died for? There are plenty of us who have been healed. Completely. My prayer is you will receive complete healing. Only Jesus can heal.
May God heal you ❤from all this pain.
The Church took the Law into their own hands back then, tried to cover it all up. Now we need to wait and see what happens to him, 35 years later. God Bless you Cindy, Something good will come out of this hopefully.
without telling it the victim maintains shame. I have experienced this too. But after many years of counseling the power was telling.
She was a child,he was friends with her parents! This is sick and sad….his wife,his family,the church,and it went on 5 years! Teachers are getting caught doing it!!
He was very married, active in ministry and abusing the daughter of that household, a room or rooms away from the parents during the crime
Being both an executive pastor and a licensed marriage and family therapist and helping implement Gateway’s freedom ministry, Bob Hamp’s voice is so necessary in this space. His thoughts are balanced, compassionate, and well-informed. Would love to see him on the channel to discuss more topics
He is PHENOMENAL! Excellent wisdom.
He made a great point About who Jesus protected when the woman was caught in adultery...We need to ask the Lord for wisdom in this...
Although children have zero choice in the matter and are often threatened with death by perpetrators, so it's actually much much worse.
If you are talking about the woman who was about to be stoned. You have misunderstood the significance of what Jesus did. It was the woman he forgave and showed grace to when he said “neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more” Read the narrative carefully- the woman is the center of it, the main character. No man is mentioned as who she committed adultery with is not central/ crucial to the narrative. You have misunderstood the significance of the narrative if you think it was about Jesus not blaming the woman but the man she committed adultery with. The other main point of the narrative is that none of us accusing others of sin and moral failure are without sin and moral failures in our own lives. So if we are so ready to condemn others we should condemn ourselves first! Check our own righteousness or rather self-righteousness! That is the point that is being made in the narrative about the sinner (in this case the woman caught in adultery) and the self-righteous accusers wanting to condemn her being totally oblivious of their own sin.
So true
@@ThePossumone Which comment arr you referring to when you say “so true”.
@@sarvomar1 yours sorry
He is on it! What he said is excellent
This is a great video to share. Thanks Ruslan for bringing it forward. One thing I’ve been thinking about to is it’s also not healthy that all three of Morris’s children and their spouses are on staff. I struggle with understanding how that is healthy. In corporate world, family relationships are not permitted within a hierarchical leadership chain. Hey is this permitted in church leadership?
Agree
Some don't know that one of the main purposes of Satan causing, encouraging, laying a trap (yes, the person is still responsible for choosing to molest) for this kind of assault on a child, is to cause that child to mistrust and hate God. When a pastor does this, it fuels the falling away from the church. Great broadcast. Keep going...
Texas has no Statute of Limitations for what Morris is accused.
You know Gateway has a prophetic ministry........ Let that sink in.
There is no modern day prophecy sanctioned by the Bible. Prophecy ended with John and Revelation.
Don't be tempted to have someone tickle your ears.
You want to hear God speak? Open your Bible and start reading out loud.
prophetic to manipulate ppl into giving that tithe $$$ that's about all they preach there. I gag when he is on tv...have always turned channel
They have lot of false preaching and teaching.
@@dfwguy7149 Honestly, Gordon Robertson and the 700 Club are just as bad - always promoting Old Testament tithing instead of giving freely under New Testament grace.
I think we are not really understanding the purpose of excommunication, not just ‘you can’t preach’. The local church should represent holiness and public sin leads to questions about the persons salvation. God is always interested in restoration, but we need to be honest with ourselves and the perpetrator that they are away from God and the church needs to witness the persons turn/return to God by their fruits.
BUSINESS so now we pass down the business to the pastor’s son?🤦♀️
@@esthersaldana9772 these personalities build empires-businesses (churches) completely tax free, and most, when they retire pass the baton to a son, and in some cases, a daughter. They have boards but that board is handpicked to be yes-men, no accountability as to lifestyle, heretic sermons and most have schools, bringing in children, who’s parents are in awe of the leader allowing access.
It’s wrong!
Red Flag …. Robert Morris SON is now the only person in senior leadership at the church and was chosen to be his father’s successor last year!
Churches with family and friends on staff and in leadership are not healthy and can’t respond appropriately to situations like this.
Exactly, if you encounter a church where multiple people in the pastors family are on the payroll, run. It's a family business, not Christ's church.
Im the youth and worship pastor at my church where my dad is the lead pastor. I would agree with this comment if it were pointed at larger/mega churches where there are lines out the door for participation. Not the small local church level where you can't get anyone to run presentation slides every other week.
And if you want to go the nepotism payroll route, I make 300 bucks a week. Not really the standard of wealth or living large.
@@mattpoulsen520 I'm a member at Gateway Church & right now, we don't have a Senior Pastor. The church Elders are waiting for the investigation to be complete before they make decisions. We shouldn't blame Robert Morris kids who did not know about the molestation. Everyone keeps blaming us, the church & we did not know.
@@AustinBurch1👆🏻🙌🏻
@@TonyaLMcCree I’m not blaming the son, I’m just pointing out the fact that it’s VERY common, and a serious red flag when ministries hire family members particularly kids, wife etc…. That’s one of the main reasons these things go un investigated. It is way too much of a conflict of interest.
Why would I want to take my family to Gateway Church now… I don’t now…I wont now…
Even further distressing are the thousands of people under this pastor's ministry who are supposed to pray for him. Year in and year out, and nobody had any feedback from the Lord about this? But then his abuse has multiplied from one to thousands, each member hurts because of his deceit. I stand as a person hurt and abused by church and leaders as well, and have learnt that I am responsible to make sure that a specific message or person giving input into my spiritual life, is safe. In a sense a church member should test even the things that have become habit, comfortable. It is easy to say:"So many people listen to him, he must be above reproach." or for leaders to say:"So many people believe in me, surely my iniquities will not matter." Pastors placed on a pedestal will fall, and it is also the members who leave him above constant scrutiny in the Spirit, that results in this kind of thing. God please purify us all in this! 😢 In my opinion....
I went once and shook hands with him in the greeting line and knew he was a phony....had 2 body guards standing with him...wonder why the body guards? did he have a fear and a guilty concience that someone was after him? this was in 2010
Bob Hamp was a pastor that knew that RM had at least an adulterous affair but never questioned RM being a pastor in the first place? 🤦🏻♂️
My line of thinking also
Because it sounded like he had repented i suppose but yes PASTOR MORRIS did not seem to fit the office of an Elder according to Titus 😢
Heart broken yet pleased Pastors getting brought out
Gaslighting
This is a very good interview. However, what angers me about Gateway is that the Elders are continuing to protect hierarchy and the brand over the welfare and protection of the sheep. I say this because the Elders have hired a crisis management law firm to conduct an investigation only spanning the years the victim was abused. Morris has lied for 35 years about this incident. Do you honestly believe Cindy was the only victim? Morris admitted in his "room 12" sermon series that he preyed on girls from broken relationships with their father to feed his sexual desires. This was supposedly before Morris was saved. We now know Morris continued this predatory behavior after salvation based upon what had been uncovered. So do you want me to believe that Cindy was the only victim that Morris violated?. Morris admitted it was power. Well, Morris has over 100,000 members. Morris now has extraordinary power. In addition, Morris was turning the church over to his son at the end of the year. So Morris influence at Gateway church will continue. Lord have mercy on the church. The shepherds are abusing the sheep instead of protecting them.
The willing sheep with itching ears will no longer be able to say they didn't know.
Unfortunately there won't be jail time, but at least it's not hidden anymore
So his wife knew Why didn’t she speak up???
of course she did and she was there when he was in cindy's room, in the same house...robt told her he was 'counseling cindy' in the basement. Wife also called cindy when she was 17 and told her she 'forgave her' for what she did with her husband! is that sick?
$$$$
Christian wives are told to submit and forgive their husbands
All sin is equal in terms of being wrong.but they may have different consequences....consequences are not equal betwixt actions
Nikita Khrushchev first coined the term _cult of personality_ in his 1956 speech titled "On the Cult of Personality and Its Consequences," where he denounced the reign for Stalin. It is the correct term for a church where all the power is in the hands on one person with no accountability and that person's is regarded as more than 'first among equals."
He should have been put behind bars long ago.Feel Sad for lady this happened to
Happens all day long in smaller churches too, unfortunately. Great video & much needed.
I can’t believe they can just claim it was “an affair with a young lady” when it was a premeditated sexual crime on a child that was repeated many times over 5 years. One of the worst parts is Morris’ wife reportedly wrote or called & told the girl that “she forgave” her: she was the darn VICTIM lady. How dare you further victimize a child. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Who has to tell people that they had empathy first?
I would argue that the elders, although they didn't know the particulars, DID know that he committed adultery at the very least! I also would argue that these elders DO know the qualifications of being a pastor and they still reinstated /"restored" RM back to pastorship.
I watched an interview with her. She said that Morris had told her not to tell anyone, that it would "mess everything up." She felt guilty that she would be the cause of trouble. If I recall correctly, she was 17 when she finally told her parents what happened.
Seems they are protecting this man, such a stain on the church and Jesus!
In what way are they protecting him?
All the pastors that have fallen and the elders seem to be covering up things 😮
No, this is a stain on Robert Morris
@@Joankc119 like attracts like....they all cover for each other
Roman 12 -17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d] says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e]
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Justice is not evil.
I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.
Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring YOU OUGHT to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Paul the apostle to the church leaders, Acts 20:33ff.
I think this is so important for churches to understand and change some of their approaches to SA and hold abusers within the church not only accountable to the church, but to the law of the land as well. Imagine how much safer the congregation would feel/be? Such an important conversation! Thank you!
So good! Every pastor should listen to this. Thx bro
This is ridiculous that shady grove church which is now gateway church allowed him to come back to the church after what happened to Cindy . Her dad helped start shady grove and gave money to the church & allowed Robert Morris to come stay in his home .. they should have went to the authorities right away !
But instead chose to do nothing !
They are as much to blame as Robert Morris is ..
23:34 “Power Differential” legal theory for spiritual leaders is a great way to hold them accountable. Ruslan quotes the scriptures correctly that a bishop must be above reproach 100% or get out of the pastoral ministry and become a servant. 26:31
This is so good!!!❤❤
No absolutely not he has put a stain on the church. The victim spoke out that what he said was not true her father did not forgive and a lawyer of the pastor at that time insinuated the 12 YEAR OLD was being flirtatious. Now during that time a lawyer could get away with that NOT NOW. Pastor only off pulpit for two years and before going to Gateway. He intentionally mislead church saying it was young lady when it was a child. He needs jail or a huge settlement for victim.
no...he 'said' and continued to perpetuate the lie that he was off for 2 yrs...his own book says ONE MONTH! James Robison had him back on the preaching circuit in a month! Big bucks he made off having pretty boy robt preaching for his ministry. Even bragging 'previous drug dealer now preaching the gospel'....robt morris even said he was doing $600 drug deals between the sanctuary bldg and the sunday school rooms at his church as a teen. He traded his manipulation past for a church and congregants...bigger bucks he found.
No, what he did was bad but Jesus has already forgiven him why not me ?
@@annabrown9037 you are wrong he should receive the punishment of his actions being forgiven is not the same as punishment. David story bears that out. The victim rights are the issue here and closure needs to be done this was done to a child who is now an adult. He broke the law period whether he is truly forgiven or not.
@@gaildrake5940true 😢
Wow. This was insightful
The shock is that Pastor Morris has been lying for so many years. What a weight to carry. It is sad that the persons in leadership who heard of his sin did not ask the right questions and when they were faced with the truth participated in offering this family money and an NDA!!! Are our Pastors God??? Hero or not, they have to account for ill and for sin! No more! This former pastor dropped so many GEMS!
This is another one for the books Ruslan, stay strong and God bless you. People need to hear this. 🙌😓💔
This is 🙌 a hundred percent. 💯 finally someone is saying it.
What about all the leading pastors that knew about this and pushed it under the rug
Simple point on the statute of limitations in this case. The abuse occurred in Oklahoma and the criminal statute of limitation has expired. Had this happened in Texas, there would be no statute of limitation.
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This guy is answering these questions like a psychologist not a pastor. Where was the biblical perspective? God will judge us all😮
I see the point they are trying to make about "power differential" but it is a slippery slope. It's smart psychological people trying to apply a standard that can be very easily misapplied. For example, what would stop someone who was in an affair from saying something like, "that man (or woman) is much smarter than me. They took advantage of me because they are a smart engineer and I am just an uneducated waitress." This power differential idea has a ring of wisdom, but it is not wisdom to think like this. The fact is there must be clear lines and their is plenty of blame to go around. A pastor sleeping with a secretary is not a power differential no matter what, it is two adults, and one may be stupid and low level and one may be crafty and high level, but that doesn't change the fact they are both adults and responsible regardless of these blurry lines of position and education. However, if there is clearly an adult and a child, then that is obvious or a sober person and an intoxicated person, those are obvious clear lines. I can only see really bad things coming from all this power differential stuff, it's way to discretionary based upon different blurry opinions and judgements that can change.
Bob Hamp is solid. He counsels people who have been victims of this exact thing. I know him and he is an excellent counselor. Thanks Bob for sharing this very Biblically based response. Thx Ruslan for showing this. 👍🏻
Actually sexual sins are worse because it’s against the body so no not all sins are equal and it’s disgusting twisting Scripture like this justifying criminal behaviour and what happened to not being beyond reproach forgiveness yes but ministry NO
They call themselves "executive pastors". Jesus picked fisherman.
I got saved at the same church you’re talking about in Oceanside. Was there 2004-2006ish
Fellowship, testimony, and prosperity are components that get scewed but I have found neccessary to reclaim within the full recovery that Jesus sustains.
I’ve attended my church for about 15 years and have noticed that it remains relatively small, with new members joining but others leaving, leading to no significant growth. While I love the people and don't want to leave because of them, I’m struggling with the worship and preaching. When I mentioned my concerns about the lack of growth to the pastor, he attributed it to the Lord’s will and admitted they don’t know why the church remains small. My husband and I feel torn because we find the sermons somewhat weak and the worship outdated. We often find ourselves turning to other pastors during the week for more fulfilling messages. Any advice?
Pray and ask the Holy Spirit to lead you all. He may be stirring a desire for something more and deeper that can only be gained from going somewhere else. Sometimes the Lord feeds us somewhere for a season and then sends us somewhere else for growth in new areas.
Key questions to ask yourself:
1) Are passages from the Bible read and explained often using other Bible passages as support at your current church?
2) Does your church have regularly scheduled Bible studies at least once a week to go deeper into the Bible together?
3) Do the church members have a voice during Bible studies? Are there ongoing opportunities to participate by asking questions or to engage in answering questions?
4) Are church leaders, including the pastor and his wife, accessible when members would like to speak with them either during service or after church hours in an appropriately wise setting?
5) Does the church provide settings of corporate prayer besides just during service?
6) Are members taught to share the gospel outside the church walls and set up opportunities for anyone willing to go out and share together?
7) What do the pastor and leaders teach about divorce and remarriage? Based on the Lord's uncompromising command according to Matthew 5, Matthew 19, and other chapters? Or based on modern day Americanized Christian trends that dismiss it?
8) Does the church set up an active and firm system to protect victims of abuse for children, spouses and others?
9)Does the church view Christianity through the lens of comfortable America or through lens of persecuted church as explained in many places of the Bible, including in the 4 Gospels first listed in NT and in Revelation?
10) Does the church take a stand against sin at all costs or do they blend in with the world's demands that we bow to them?
11) Does the church encourage members to read and study the Word of God for themselves and commonly share with one another sometimes things they learn in private devotion with God?
12) Does the church welcome individuals' joyous praise to the Lord during prayer and singing - whether in quietness or with joyful noise?
13) Does the church give monetarily or with resources to their members and community in need?
You’re not bound to a church where you don’t feel you’re being encouraged in growth.
yeah, read your bible. feed yourself. dont expect others to do the spiritual work you are supposed to be doing.
You should pray for a new church home.
Still use and love what I used from RZIM. Now Ravi was a wolf AND I still learned a lot
All sin condemns you to hell, but certain sin has different consequences. The consequences being held against the offender is how we love them in the church.
Wow this is good! This is why Jesus & Paul made such a big deal about equality as brothers & sisters. The hierarchical power dynamic that exists in our churches is a fundamental error.
Never ever lose your faith for what other do
Let us remember what the Bible says about restoration and forgiveness. This does not ever condone a person’s sin. Jesus focused on restoration , should we do any less.
Everything he said is TEXT BOOK sexual predator. While he can be forgiven he needs to face the legal consequences. If past statute of Limitations he needs to be removes PERMANATLY for any and all church positions. He should have never been reinstated.
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Plurality is the key!
Always call the Police, teach your children to protect themselves, from an very early childhood. There are always more victims.
“Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:” 2 Peter 2:14 King James Bible
When the institution becomes more important than ppl it becomes trouble! Dont care how you structure it! They aren’t just protecting the leader they are protecting the institution also!
uh....the MONEY...the cash cow that the institution represents.
@@dfwguy7149 absolutely no institution no money
He protected both of them
No, there is a statute of limitations in TX. The governor is looking to increase it. Too late to charge Morris.
In Texas there is no statute of limitation involving SA of a child.
The victim in this case lived in /abuse occurred primarily in Oklahoma, where there are statutes of limitations.
He can be charged if they determine that SA occurred in Texas. I do recall it being mentioned that over the span of the years of abuse, the families traveled together, so there is a chance that charges could be brought in the states where abuse occurred (depending on each states statute of limitations laws)
@@YoYo16_19 Cindy herself did state in an interview it occurred in Texas as well. It makes a difference in many places as to if the abuse was against a minor. (In Canada no limitations if it's a minor) following
Ruslan, please do a podcast debate with the RUclipsr “Mindshift” He is a ex-christian of 30 years. I have a high level of respect for the both of you and would love to hear how you two untangle many hard discussions of the Bible. He also done one or two reaction videos of yours as well.
Spiritual hierarchy evolves into abuse, and/or wrong doctrine. Thus, we have the problems we have today. Having a Pastor as a spiritual covering doctrine comes from the heresy of spiritual hierarchy in the Body of Christ.
So true this happened in marriage - with adultery and cheating all the time
And the victim ( spouse ) becomes the bad guy
Incredible but ive had this happen 🙄
EXACTLY....this may very well be the 1st time I've EVER heard a MAN.....say WHAT ABOUT THE MAN!!!!!! Women are the sinners!!!! And the pompous religious superiority sickens me....
What this former pastor at Gateway explains about abuse being a power issue is spot on Biblically and clearly what was going on with David and Bathsheba. I get so exasperated hearing so-called preachers and teachers of the Bible declaring that David and Bathsheba committed adultery. No, that did not happen. David raped Bathsheba. Nowhere does God refer to this happening as adultery. David was the King of Israel and therefore he ruled with power over all the Israelites. To refuse his rule and thus what David wanted would be tantamount to rebellion and placing oneself in a dangerous if not life threatening situation. “Then David sent messengers, and took her.” The Hebrew word for “take” here is laqah. It can mean to take what is being freely offered. But it can also mean to seize, to take by force what is not being freely offered. So what does it mean here? The Holy Spirit makes it very clear that David forced himself on Bathsheba (which is rape). Nathan the Prophet tells David he is the man who seized Uriah’s wife Bathsheba who was an innocent lamb taken by force which is always against another’s will. Does anyone truly believe the Lord would have presented Bathsheba as an innocent lamb taken by overpowering force if she was truly complicit in an adulterous affair? No, that would not have happen. What David did was rape Uriah’s wife and then murder Uriah. Did David reap what he sowed? Absolutely! Amnon, David’s younger son, raped his sister Tamar. Then Absalom, David’s son,had his servants murder Amnon. What David sowed on the family of Uriah, rape and murder, he reaped upon his own family. This abuse of power by church leaders is not something new but has been going on since the fall of man. It is a spirit of self entitlement. It is rampant in the church today and that is why Paul said the last days before the coming of the man of lawlessness, the anti-Christ, there will be widespread apostasy. Revival is not coming but a dwindling of those who truly love the truth of God.
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You stole my cow? That is theft which is a criminal lol
It hurts but He always spoke about a situation that had him messing with demons affecting him until he confessed to his wife in wondering if it was that his messages have helped me sucks man
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Ruslin are you talking about the rock church?? Pastor miles ,??? I didn't know its gone wow . I got baptized in fire there 2016
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Your comment about a teacher in a public school doesn't do damage like in the church???????
That is not true abuse & oppression to a child impacts their sense of self & many other things .... sets them up for life to be crushed .
I think there is a difference tho. When you are abused by a pastor or church leader it also impacts the way you view God and religion. I was abused by an uncle and it was awful but the thought of that happening inside of church? Horrible
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Don't forget the word of God says judgement begins at the house of God! 🙏🔥🚨
How many NDAs are there?
What was the name of the pastor he mentioned
Not Robert morris bht Robbie something with another church 👀
Did anyone catch that
This prosperity, charismatic / pentecostal crap needs to stop. It creates the conditions for this kind of behavior
What does prosperity & charismatic or Pentecostal have to do with sexual assault - absolutely nothing. I guess Politics and Hollywood need to stop because sexual assaults happen there also.
except it happened in John McArthur's church too.
So where is the help for the issues and mistakes made in our life, u thought there should be help n the church?? RIGHT!!@
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