Gateway Elder apologizes to congregation for Robert Morris scandal
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2024
- Gateway Elder Tra Willbanks apologizes to the alleged victim of Robert Morris and the congregation for the child abuse scandal involving Morris on June 22, 2024.
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It should be Robert Morris publicly apologizing to God, Cindy, the church, the public and EVERYONE else he deceived. Period.
I agree 100% still waiting
Very true.
I would be like that pastor caught with a prostitute. He cried like a baby. Lost everything, and his name was in the mud. This is only to repair for tv and membership sake. They know people will stop sending money. They are just trying to stop the fire that already reached the ceiling, unfortunately.
Yes!
I do also agree
Everyone needs to read their bibles. It's the only way you will make it through the coming times. Keep your eyes on the Lord.
It's becoming evident the Christian journey is personal. We should look only to Christ. This man, and the elders who knew failed their church. This would have remained a secret had Cindy not had the courage to fight. The church should only pray she is the only victim.
I also pray there are no other victims. I was a victim from sa from a family member. It started at age 5. I never said anything to anyone until I was in my 40s. My prayers are with anyone who suffers sa.
@@prayerwarriorterri6242 That's terrible to hear. I'm very sorry this happened to you. I hope you have been able to find healing and move on. We can only look to Christ. He is the only one who can save us in the end.
Amen! God is my healer and my strength.
Don’t forget Cindy’s Father was clergy too! Not Excusing RM abuse but I’m wondering what stopped Cindy’s Father from pressing charges against RM?
The whole board of elders should stand with him on the stage to apologize.
Absolutely…..but it is possible this was not a secret to everyone.
Yes absolutely, this guy was not there when Cindy sent the letter . Why are the elders being cowards, The whole thing is sickening .
And they should all resign too.
The elders that hid the secret, need to step down, covered up, just as guilty in sin.....
If the elders knew, they should resign.
How on earth did his wife stay with him learning he abused a child for over 4 years while married to her?
No one can apologize for another persons actions. Period.
@@ShalomUSA the church is responsible because the elders should immediately remove evil from the pulpit
He was apologizing for the elders role not Morris.
Apparently he is now in hiding, I think he is remorseful as if his daughters could have been in this situation.
He didn’t because he should never set foot on the platform again.
To many churches want a pastor with charisma more then a man with integrity.😢
And a leader in general.. look at MAGA… 🤷🏻♀️
yes, the big elephant in the room, that everyone is ignoring, is that morris was also one of those prosperity Preachers, and has duped millions out of people. Like Hinn, Copeland, Osteen and all the rest of them
That’s true and that’s why all this is happening. The religious system is so wrong!!
You are so spot on!
Has RM been doing this act still?Or is this fron he was youngster?
Having served in the church for many years as a woman in ministry, I can tell you that at this point there is a church full of people who have been wounded. This is not about damage control for the media, social or otherwise. This is about the remaining leadership trying their best to bring hope to this congregation at a very dark time. The reminder that God has worked in and through the people is still truth. It is still God’s church. He hasn’t changed His mind about the people and the demonstration of the Gospel they have carried out for years. Instead of the criticism, consider and PRAY for this congregation and the future of the ministry that God has given them!
Well said. The first comment I've read that hasn't jumped to conclusions and casted stones. There are no sinless pastors.
Amen!
We are all sinful people in need of God's grace and mercy. My family in not perfect either. We are all work in progress. Having said this, I still believe that we must have the fear of God residing strongly and firmly in us. Fear of God equals obedience to Him and His ways. Easier said than done, I know. Weave God in our daily moments. In our standing, sitting, talking, relaxing, resting etc. In all aspects of our lives. God sees our hearts and He will act on our behalf. Life is filled with ups and downs but we have our good God to turn to in times of needs. Amen.❤❤❤ Pray unceasingly for your church leaders. To cover them from subtle attacks of the evil one. God bless all of you richly.😊
God Bless you Joyce Wolf, this was a wonderful insightful, utterly inspired comment! Thank you Dear One--fellow servant of the most high God😊❤❤❤
@elohim7778 Thank you, God Bless you too Dear One❤
It is so evident that Abba Father is exposing & cleansing His church!
🙏👆✝️👆🙏
Judgement begins in the house of God. Search me oh God and see if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the path everlasting. The fear of God is needed in the church. I pray for healing for all involved.
I don't see any cleansing being done, that church is still FILLED to the brim with 🐑 and the Morris's are filthy rich off those 🐑. But God is definitely exposing it all, that's for sure.
How so?
My heart is with you Church. Hold on to everything you know to be true about Jesus. Focus on Jesus right now. let Him heal you.
This is/was a criminal act.
You know, I think the thing with Pastor Robert is I’m just grieved. And I don’t wanna hear what anybody else has to say. I want to know what he hast to say. Because using the discernment I’ve had, Pastor Robert speaks truth and knows Jesus. I want to know what Pastor Robert has to say and what God has to say, but I will not be distracted by what the media and everybody else is saying.
So as long as someone teaches truth, they can sexually assualt little girls? Is that your narrative? Demons know the Bible. We're supposed to discern spirits via fruit. You dismissing his behavior is part of the problem. A man of God would be righteously angry and want justice.
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
@@michaelratcliff3080it’s that attitude that got Gateway into this mess. Morris has had blatant serious issues for a long time, theologically and spiritually. You got to open your eyes to see it!
One big embarrassment. This kind of stuff is why many unsaved souls think christianity is a joke.
I do wonder how many hearts he has now hardened for the last time and they will now spend eternity in hell.
Indeed! It’s misrepresentation of who God is who Jesus is and the true gospel. So we must pray and be the light
@@AS-oj3cw we are warned about these very heretics throughout the bible. A perfect example of those we have been instructed to avoid is MAGA. Stirrers of doubt and controversy in our communities, the Ones Who Preach The Loudest. How many have turned away from the gates of heaven because of their convoluted example of how to live by Gods word? God will not look kindly upon them during theirJudgement.
This makes me so so so angry. And i rememberChrist in the temple, turning over tables and asking His Father for guidance in how to process his rage.
How….? Indeed….
JESUS IS KING
Sadly, you are correct😢
Cindy’s father should have told the police when it all came out when she was 16.
Unless there wasn't any actual crime. It's possible she might have been the aggressor.
He admitted to it!
@@mattk6719A 12 year old girl?!!
use your brain for something besides a seat cushion
@@mitsu-tg8qx12 year old girl aggressor against a grown man??? WAKE UP!!!
@@mattk6719 I'm wondering how her parents or Debbie did not know she was sneaking into the room Robert was in. For 4 and a half years? I'm sure Debbie slept with him most of the time but still. I don't get it.
Im very sure attorneys have warned Robert not to make any public statements.
There's no escaping for him now, since they demanded a NDA from the victim and she has spoken up.
@@xsportsrc3817 they didn't demand a NDA.
Why would the newer elders be held responsible for something they did NOT know?? It’s the ones from early on who hold responsibility.
It happened before the church existed. What would they be responsible for? Please make rational sense.
I agree. They send someone out there, who is a new elder, to do their dirty work.
One thing that has become apparent to me, is that when he did confess initially to having an affair with a young lady, regardless of who it was, the elders should have always have investigated from the other side. They never even asked to know who the young lady was. If she wasn’t underage, it would be worth reaching out to her in any case.
He’s the only one who had no idea and had clean hands? A theory.
Look people. They did have a meeting with the father and this woman who is coming forth now. This has not being a secret. She wants to be compensated and should be.
We were told not to follow man,this apology needs to come from The man that has deceived the sheep.
This is the elder leadership addressing the sin and crime as well they should. Although RM should also publicly do this the elders also need to as this man is. The elder board should be THE senior leadership over the entire staff and body.
Exactly
Cowards and liars are not capable of repenting.
I wouldn’t allow him back on the stage at this point
If he truly has repented and now has Jesus in his heart, is this how Jesus wants us to behave?
Robert Morris should have addressed the church. Morris should have been fired and an outside committee should name the successor because if Morris son takes over the church, Morris continues to have influence regarding the church. The Elders supported Morris even when Cindy informed them she was only 12 and Morris was 20. It was only after the story hit mainstream media that the Elders claimed they didn't know all the facts. I am praying for restoration for all parties involved including Morris because it would be shameful for Morris to go to hell for unrepentant sins. God is giving Morris a chance to really repent and stop lying. Morris and his wife owe Cindy an apology. I am really praying for the church because they have been lied to for over 35 years by Morris and the Elders. I don't believe some of those Elders didn't know the truth. Why did the Elders release a statement supporting Morris once Christian Post published the article that Cindy was only 12? The church doesn't need tears from Elders. The church for once and for all needs the truth. Morris isn't the only person that needs to repent
Yes I agree what you wrote ! I feel this same ! I have been believer for 40 years and I left Gateway 3 years ago but went to Shabat on Friday nights there ! Praying for full repentance and his son shouldn’t pastor Gateway ! He needs to open his own church if God is calling him to do that !
Robert Morris taught me some things I will never forget. I pray for him. He is our brother and I’m sure he is hurting There are dark places that we all came from, and places that were dark and unregenerated. It took time for our crooked ways to be made straight .
Unfortunately in this case RM has never been truthful of the whole incident but he's been lying about the victim and accusing her of seducing him. He needs to truthfully repent for his vile acts for his own soul's sake
@@jamesmaina9041 where did he say she seduced him? I would like to view that too
Preach this
If he’s shocked and truly filled with remorse, why wasn’t Pastor Morris fired ??? he was allowed to resign…
Why isn’t he in jail?He gave a chilling sermon about how he picked his victims.If you listen to now after this you can see how he picked his victims.
Maybe they were in disbelief. Either way he won't be pastoring again. It was shocking to see such poor judgment on Robert and Debbie's part. May God heal everyone involved.
@@JesusFollower1960 because sadly since the statue of limitation had passed on Cindy‘s case currently, I don’t think there’s anything they can do because there’s no part of the child laws in Texas that allow them to be able to try somebody for something that happened years ago, especially once the statue of limitations was passed which I think they said at the time the abuse started the statue of limitations in Texas and Oklahoma where she grew up with two years. I don’t know why her or anybody else that found out about it immediately report him to the police probably because they were afraid of his position and what he might try to do if they did, according to Cindy, her dad had given an ultimatum either resign or I’m calling the police or the sheriff. I think it was actually what was said. I wouldn’t have given an ultimatum. I would’ve immediately called the police, especially when my child safety and well-being is being violated and abused shouldn’t have been in abuse
The incident was happened before Gateway church was established.
You can't fire someone who quits first. This is true at McDonald's, too.
Also uh they knew she said something in 2005 and they tried to force her to sign a gag order. Its sick
It is just painful to me. I have not found nobody in Ministry to help me. Predators' enablers always start with "It's the hardest thing for me". I don't believe this elder. As a survivor of a long chain of crimes and abuses in 2 evangelical churches, I am 100% sure that you had seen many predatory behaviours in that wolf and he always used scriptures to excuse them and that all his previous victims of his greed, verbal abuse, etc, were despised. This kind of predators do not work alone.
And he wants to pray for u his tears are conjuring see how he looks up to see if it's working.. PLAY Q SONG MONEY MONEY MONEY .. gateway to hell . I threw my son's n my baptism photo in the trash this morning ur whole root has poisonous branches all in my grandparents town ... Tricky tricky tricky
Well said.
Not true more knew but the money was still coming in . The piece of crap Robert morris said sermons about how he prey on young girls who didn’t have a father figure in their lives . He told on himself on more than one occasion. Why wouldn’t someone look into the details before they gave him a position of being a pastor . Anyone who keeps attending this church is almost brainwashed if the congregation doesn’t hold those in position accountable for overlooking his wrong doings . Prime example of a Wolf in sheep clothing because of the dollar . By the way don’t forget to give money 😡
Where is the evidence 😞 OR is it based on Rumors? Fortunately there is a commissioned comprehensive independent investigation and we are going to hear ALL sides to this saga. Everyone is going get those due process. After ALL The Lord Christ was absolutely Sinless and PURE, son of God and yet the crowd hauled and cried Hossanah to the highest towards him one day and the next Cried Crucify Him! EVERYONE shall stand before the Judgement throne and give account of themselves and ALL they have done -- unto God
Trust God when you pray it works. He said all we need to do is ask in prayers. My testimony spans from penury to $57,000 monthly, and you stay and doubt that he doesn't answer prayers. Make that altar now and spend time there. A change is in the way. Amen!!!
I definitely know this fosho! Prayer works wonders
In Christ alone my hope is built and anchored. I am a work in progress and in due time he makes everything beautiful
But hold on, how do you get all that in that period of time? Mind sharing?
Oh yes! In him alone
And thanks to the digital market. So much folks are getting the good side of it
You know sociopaths can "cry" without having a single tear too
Yea I didn't see any tears....
Was he allowed to resign so that he could keep his 401K and controlling interest? There are legal reasons for resignation instead of termination. Usually financial in nature.
Bingo
I’d be interested to know if he resigned before they had a chance to fire him.
Send an older elder next Sunday, please.
Exactly. He won't lose his benefits.
We knew of a pastor many years ago that was in a denomination for years. He just took off with his then girlfriend, went to another state and married her. He literally abandoned the church. There were other issues as well. He was retirement age. A few people from the church went to the state headquarters to let them know what had happened. They went ahead and gave the man his retirement benefits. But as far as I know he was not in ministry anymore. The girlfriend he married ended up having the marriage annulled a couple of weeks after they married. I don't know why?
Not your place to apologize.
Yea it is
@@matthewterry9413no it’s the pastors job. Not the elder board members since he didn’t commit the act.
@@JeniBrandt there is no pastor. He is removed. it’s called responsibility. Corporate guilt, and corporate repentance.
He had to in order for the church to go forward.
@JeniBrandt Silly, the elders job is oversight. Obviously there was none.
This is extremely sad. I feel so bad for the congregation. A lot of tears over all of this
Jesus commanded against titles amongst the brethren in Matthew 23: 8-12. No one in the NT had the title Pastor. Pastor is a titled abuser that makes himself the focus of the gathering rather than the one anothers encouraging one another.
We’re so used to preacher emotional manipulation that it appears phony.
Not a single tear. I don’t believe ANY of these people, they are all about spin, coverup, NDAs and damage control. I would NEVER return to that “church.”
sadly, i can't help but agree
Yeah
I know. It reminds me of amber heard fake tears and vocal fry.
Something about how Robert exaggerated about many things.. he has even commented on how Debbie would correct him on this.. some preachers act like being behind the pulpit is like being on stage. Like a fan club. Other pastors included.. use your own discernment when a pastor gets into the drama of preaching, and not the Holy Spirit, it is a spirit of self aggrandizement, which is pride. I truly believe the pastors that started with a pure heart have fallen because of the pride of the fans...
I could be wrong.. we still need to pray for the body of Christ as a whole regardless..
Morris’s son should not take over as pastor. Robert would still have his ear. Your church should be allowed to vote on their next pastor.
What is it with pastors passing over the church to their offsprings like it’s their kingdom?
Church members will make the final decision.
He acts like he's a KING
To keep the money in the family.
I think he founded the Church and the Lead General overseer
She was a kid no excuse ……
Morris is a pedophil and needs to be held accountable for his crimes!
As a former Gateway member, I hope people will realize that this church is full of people who love the Lord regardless of these leaders twisting scripture. Unfortunately you now have Jimmy Evans blessing a man’s divorce to marry the new widow Joni Lamb, and Robert Morris twisting words such as “young lady” to talk about sin, Etc. Think what you may about these leaders, but there are real families here that could sure use our prayers. That’s what I will be doing 🙏🏻
Well said.
I agree. I was caught up in a false church for years. The members of Gateway must pull away, become Berean’s, gain courage, and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and stop suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.
Gateway members may learn that they need to think for themselves.
Joni Lamb I can't watch anymore
I haven't heard this about Evans. What is the story on this?
He has the gift of crying without shedding a single tear.
He is only concerned about HIS financial position now within the Church. His prepared speech is so non-believable. Alarms went off when some of his first words were..... I didn't know......they all KNEW, but no one was strong enough to speak up and question the situation and say WHAT YOU DID WAS WRONG. No one ever thought this would happen and they felt they were safe covering up the truth.
Sometimes you can’t cry tears ! 😭 I personally couldn’t cry at certain points in my life. It was worse!! I wanted to but the tears wouldn’t come till later! Please stop judging!!
@@cheryla786 I believe they didn’t know !! They SHOULD HAVE but they trusted him. !! 😢. Same as everyone who ever watched him or followed him! ❤.
@@ShelovesJesusandElvis she asked the church for money to pay for her psychological counciling. They offered to pay only half of what she asked and also asked her to sign an NDA!!!
He has tears. Zoom in.
But the church knew he had engaged in sexual misconduct and they let it slide. They are equally culpable.
Their sexual misconduct, and then there’s pedophilia the church was not aware of the age of Cindy. They were told she was a young woman and had a Jezebel spirit and was flirtatious. They were very unaware that this was a minor should have been fired. Should be in jail yesthere are plenty of people and plenty of pastors who have committed adultery bat pedophilia I don’t think you should have a place in ministry
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
How do you know they let it slide?
Culpable for an act that occurred before the church existed?
According to what I'm hearing, this man and others are saying. They knew he committed an immoral act but did not know it was a child.
IF I was one of the Elders and was asked to speak to the congregation, I would have said, “ Robert, I love you. You are the one who needs to speak to the congregation. You are the one who has hurt and upset so many people who have also loved and followed you. I am one of them and will be sitting with the congregation. I did not violate this child, you did. Take full responsibility for your actions.” I personally would have had some shred of respect if Robert Morris spoken to the church.”
Yes, thanks, agree 100%.
I agree with everything you said except the respect part. I do not respect a pedophile, even one that claims to represent Christ.
I’m curious to know if they will still let Robert’s son take over the leadership role after Robert’s resignation.
Of course, he will take over the family business.
Why, how did RM hurt them, RM was very open about his sexual immoral past. Dothey have to be very specific? Then, all elders and pastors, should narrate all their past sins.
That was the most insincere display of emotion I have ever seen!
Agree!
“Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap. “1 Tim 3:1-7.
Once Elders knew he committed adultery with a "Young Lady," they should have disqualified Robert Morris from preaching. They are complicit. Lord, help the victims of this horror!
It wasn’t “adultery with a young lady”it was rape of a child that went on for 4 years.
She wasn't a young lady. She was a child. A young lady is someone at least 18 or above who is young.
The first question I would have asked is "How old was the young lady?" I believe they asked, too.
Agree. Predators' enablers always start with "It's the hardest thing for me". I don't believe this elder. As a survivor of a long chain of crimes and abuses in 2 evangelical churches, I am 100% sure that you had seen many predatory behaviours in that wolf and he always used scriptures to excuse them and that all his previous victims of his greed, verbal abuse, etc, were despised. This kind of predators do not work alone.
He would have been 20/21 when he would have had the affair with a “young” lady. Not sure whether people would say who was it with, when they understood the Elder board at his prior church (Shady Grove) had already dealt with the restoration process…
To the last guy....PETER was being persecuted! Oh my goodness . NOT the same kind of " trouble" your pastor is in.
My thought exactly. Inappropriate comparison and use of scripture. Everything here is wrong. If he got away with it in his 20's and he's now in his 50's or 60's, there are more victims.
@MrAlissahk97 I think he is 62. I can't imagine how many more, but he sure didn't stop it at one.
You are spot on !!! Always twisting the word of God to manipulate the sheep! Seriously, I pray more exposure of ALL hidden things, a deep cleansing and fir this deception to end!!
You are missing the point. Morris groomed and poked and prodded a child from age 12 to 16.
That is a crime.
CRIME.
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE OUTRAGED.
The hypocrisy.
And they can knock it off with the music. Just going along like it's business as usual. As if we are praying for someone who may have lost a job or received a cancer diagnosis.
He should be fired.
Sometimes when you fired someone they are entitled to severance. So letting him resign could be the best option.
He resigns, they accept it and his son takes over.
How interesting how that works.
Oh he did?
I heard that his son would not be taking his place.
@@angelbarrett4477 i hope you are right, I would want all of the elders to be gone to resign because they failed. I understand this Elder is crying, but he should’ve apologize for not knowing any better and not holding Robert accountable and asking the right questions years ago. I would leave the church if it’s the same elders.
@@time2pray777 The elders that he came forward to where different ones, Gateway didn't exist yet.
@@angelbarrett4477 It was on James Robison show sometime in the last 6 months...Morris and his son talking about the switch...Robison even said it surprised him.
Katt Williams was right about these false prophets. The reason why these so-called pastors' gross behaviors contues is because their congregation allows and make excuses for these false prophets. My faith is in God, not man. This man has sniffled and cried with no tears🤔
Right on…Not I (man) but Christ!
He was actually prophetic in Holy Spirit and all these you know would not have received that Word from someone like Katt. I think how great God will use who He wants to show up the wicked.
@kelliem1562 Again, my faith is in God, and not man, especially those prosperity pastors who think that they are about all else because they anoint themselves as such.
But Kat Williams is a sinner himself… he doesn’t know CHRIST and what he says isn’t of GOD.
There are girls that have gotten married at 13 and 14 years old. Maybe she liked it and was in on it because she liked him and had crush on him. They don't even know what really happened yet. Wasn't that like 30 years ago?
We have all sinned and should be thankful for God's Grace.
We don’t expect that from the spiritual leader of the largest church in America!
Absolutely and the Bible is clear this man would have been disqualified from ever being a “Pastor” in the first place . Whoever it was that ordained him and allowed him to lead is culpable .
@@Elizabethvaughan1wrong. Paul murdered Christians, repented, and wrote most of the New Testament. Forgiveness. There is forgiveness. If not, tell all your sin and let’s see.
@@TrBdunn- but this pastor of the largest church in American Sexually Groomed & Sexually Abused the daughter of another pastor started when she was aged 12 on Christmas Dec 25, 1982. Imagine how Christmas is for Cindy every year since then.
@@TrBdunn all murders by Saul were done before his conversion. As for my sin ,it is under the blood of Jesus Christ and I have repented . I am a woman therefore I would never seek a pulpit ministry . What about you ?
My wife and I both had one word for this...pathetic. This guy...crocodile tears and a bunch of banter about their commitment to truth.....as if we are all that naive. Shame on you all...elders...elders of what? Being complicent in this entire mess.
Agree!!!
This is amazing…. He’s emotional, yet still talking about the priority of building Gateway Church!!! This talk is like a TED talk. It’s all about their church, not even appealing to The LORD Jesus Christ for mercy and His forgiveness on their church or church staff…. What an act! And the emotional music in the background of the second speech. Total manipulation of the church members. Take your eyes off of the tragic events of the victims, and make the church pastor and staff the center of focus….”FEEL SORRY FOR US… WE LOOK STUPID AND COLD AND HEARTLESS AS WE TALK TO YOU!!!! …. FEEL SORRY FOR US, THE STAFF AND LEADERS OF GATEWAYS CHURCH!!!” This is awful. All the congregation should walk out and find a true biblical church to attend.
Notice how he's trying so hard to avoid eye contact and looking up at the audience? A sign or guilt, and lying?
They knew about Cindy for years but covered it up. She brought this to their attention over a decade ago.
RM needs to be arrested.
Why?
@mattk6719 Slashing Mica's tyres. In some countries, that is classed as attempt of causing bodily harm to another.
Most High, be with this church Family. 🙏🏾💜
God Is Separating the sheep from the goats!
And I suppose you think of yourself as a sheep and Robert Morris as a goat?
@@mattk6719 Matthew 7:21
@@mattk6719 Morris is definitely a goat...although that is an insult to actual living goats, as goats provide milk and meat and help clear fields of weeds. Morris plants weeds, and is himself a weed choking off the Truth of Scripture.
If I was member of this church I would have never gone back.
well, observe and take note who stays and defends gateway and you'll have a pretty good idea of who to avoid in life.
If you were a member of his church you'd know it wasn't his church. You'd also know that this whole scandal reeks of political subterfuge: it is an election year and Robert Morris had connections with Trump. He's also at least the third big church pastor in the Dallas area to step down this year. The timing is strange.
@@dfwguy7149 pure bigotry.
@@dfwguy7149 ok
Please let me know when you find a perfect church. There is not one church that is without sin. Just the one that Jesus is preparing for those He calls and they respond. Look at all the Jews that cried crucify Him yet Jesus prayed to His Father for they know not what they do. We as Christians should be praying for Robert Morris soul.
Well Robert morris is worth 116 million dollars and hasn’t received any jail time so as far as I’m concerned, these are all empty words. How many elders knew about it and helped cover it up for so long? More than 0.
I think his victim should sue to get some of that money. She will never recover what she lost but some of that money can be put to use to help other victims of these sexual predators 🙏🏽
Learn what the whole story is and then you will understand
@@sherryhodges2707 I understand you defend men who touch 12 year old girls. You’re sick.
@@sherryhodges2707 I understand you defend grown men who touch 12 year old girls. You are sick.
@@jamesmaina9041 Aren't you assuming a lot? Victim? Let's not forget this is an election year and R. Morris had connections to Trump.
These elders are just as guilty as Robert Morris covering for Robert all this time is despicable!!!!
He may have been in the dark. He’s only been an elder for 10 years.
The elders had no clue! They are all shocked. All they knew was that Robert had immoral behavior. in the past.
They did know follow the Justin Peters Ministries.
@@lissieRivWrong. They made him an elder at the age of 29, 3 years after their knowledge of the abuse- allowing a predator of children (a pedophile) to "minister" congregations for years. Police were not involved. They protected him, further abusing the victim. They ARE complicit.
They were under Robert's false prosperity teaching. Money is all they care about. They have failed as a church.
Thank you for sharing this. This was the right way to begin to deal with this.
There are so many things wrong with this. It's clear, the body of Christ doesn't understand The Cross.
Praying for your church.
Robert Morris needs to be in jail and get no financial gain no 401 k nothing and his wife to. She knew and called that little girl and told her she forgave her. It's sick
Unfortunately, that probably won’t happen because of statue limitations I’ve seen lawyers being being interviewed in other videos saying that at the time the abuse was happening both in Oklahoma and the state of Texas the statue of limitations was like two years now laws have changed, but there’s nothing that would allow you to try somebody for something that happened years ago relating to child abuse my thing is why didn’t anybody reported immediately once they found outthey were afraid that my child would’ve immediately once she told me or I found gone to the police
It is sad but let a man without sin cast the stone. RM has done a terrible act but there is redemption for everyone of us as long as we repent of our wrong doings. RM is like any other man on the face of the earth that sin. So let us not be vile in our judgment. Temper sin with forgiveness Christ has demonstrated it in His walk.
He’s an unrepentant liar. In 2005 the elders knew.
Yesss. The wife covered for him. God does not approve this . He calls for repentance with accountability and consequences.
You might want to get your facts straight before commenting. Robert Morris did commit sexual child abuse and should face the consequences.
No tears. The sniffles were dry. Not saying he isn't hurting but ple5 please don't fake emotions. That didn't help at all
they all did their performance and were back at robts cushy $6 million dollar estate having lunch and brainstorming after the service. This is business NOT heart... there's $millions at stake here. I'd have found another church for sunday myself.
I left this church a few months ago for good. Im praying for the members who really were trying to meet God. 😢
May I respectfully ask why you left?
My question is where were the elders not doing an investigation 30 years ago? What are you hiding? No, it’s been an injustice to the victim Also entire congregation?
The church isn't 30 years old.
That was a different elder board at a different church. Shady Grove Church which doesn’t exist any longer.
There were no elders when this happened.
Jump to more conclusions.
I left Gateway over two years ago. I yearned for a church with sound bible teaching and I found it right across the highway from Gateway.
I pray for justice for Cindy. I pray for true repentance and restoration for Robert Morris. Not restoration back to the pulpit, but restoration in his heart. I pray for the Morris family. I pray for the people who call Gateway their church, may the God of justice, grace, and mercy heal your hurting hearts and restore you to him. Keep your eyes on Jesus.
Yes, everyone should hope Morris truly has or will repent. But he should never be in ministry again. I feel the same about people like Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggert. Hopefully, they are now right with God. But both are doing ministry, and Jimmy Swaggert never stepped down. I never listen to them.
@sharoncrawford7192 Jim baker is going strong selling the apocalyptic food. He is still doing what he knows best. It is hard not to try to make money inside churches. I hope my heart keeps right with the word of God. But I have no desire to step in any church.
Kindness he's been totally destroyed it is unfathomable the child needs prayer healing I cover her with the blood of Jesus Christ it happened to me I still have sexual sin be cause of it pray for all of us we came into a devils system God bless you I don't know why I did this
Predators' enablers always start with "It's the hardest thing for me". I don't believe this elder. As a survivor of a long chain of crimes and abuses in 2 evangelical churches, I am 100% sure that you had seen many predatory behaviours in that wolf and he always used scriptures to excuse them and that all his previous victims of his greed, verbal abuse, etc, were despised. This kind of predators do not work alone.
You said it the way it should be said
Thank you
The whole leadership should step down.
None of this rings true. Crocodile tears why did no one ask some searching questions that establish the facts?
Elders, you are also accountable to God for this. As overseers, it's your job to be in the know. Shame on you. As an elder, you were more concerned about the business than the truth. Can barely stand to watch this.
I just read the story of David and Bathsheba last night and watched a few teachings. Since everyone compares a sinful pastor to David. And the teacher says Joab was just as guilty as David, because he helped get Uriah killed as part of a coverup. Point being, David sinned, his subordinates helped cover it up, and now everyone involved is guilty of murder. So, I think all elders involved in a coverup are guilty of the sin they’re covering.
In many churches elders are just a bunch of yes men, or women.
@@sharoncrawford7192 Sad but true. This is a perfect example.
Oh, I mean everybody’s gonna get their punishment even if they don’t get legal repercussions on earth they have to speak to God one day and why nobody immediately didn’t report the abuse when it was come to light as it was happening is shocking to me because he had, he wasn’t as popular as when it started so he wasn’t very well known at the time so why would you be afraid of that especially when your child is the one being abused, so many people failed Cindy
Hope this mega church has lawyered-up…. Other victims WILL COME FORWARD
I couldn't get past 2:52 sniffling and whining, then right back to a normal voice.
Everyone knows what you 'should' say. I'm tired of it all. I just need Jesus, not this.
This is what evil looks and sounds like.
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Right? Doesn't seem genuine with the fake tears
@@Margaret-eb5You've been replying with the same scripted comment. Go away.
Praying for healing
Aside from the egregious act, which I am not discounting, it's sad to see all the people that are in attendance there. People, it's time to get out of Dodge!!! The Law firm was hired to protect their backside - WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!
The thing I don’t understand is why no one believed her earlier?
That's wat I thought and wondered.... something wasn't dealt with wen she was younger, or maybe the parents didn't do enough back in the day.... then it's brought up 35 years later idk.....
Evil
Why didn’t her father take this to the police when he knew about what happened to his daughter
They believed her. It just wasn't in the press.
That’s a lot of questions we should look deep into it. How come the parents didn’t notice especially in this assault situation. 12 years old can’t hide that well. And the time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
Elders are complicit.
Agree. Predators' enablers always start with "It's the hardest thing for me". I don't believe this elder. As a survivor of a long chain of crimes and abuses in 2 evangelical churches, I am 100% sure that you had seen many predatory behaviours in that wolf and he always used scriptures to excuse them and that all his previous victims of his greed, verbal abuse, etc, were despised. This kind of predators do not work alone.
Totally agree. I don't understand how these people, the congregants, can ever trust the staff again, how they can stay?
Q SONG after the fake tear crying check ..MONEY MONEY MONEY
Don't accept their prayers dirty fingers built this church ... Of an innocent child turn the Bible w ur predator SA fingers .. nahh get lost
How do you know?
The elders should have notified the police years ago. Child molestation is a crime!!
Morris lied to them.
There were no elders when he confessed.
They all played dumb for money!!!😢
He should have been fired ! What weak leadership ! 😢
Weak leadership is a problem in alot of churches today.😢
Really he should’ve been in jail immediately. Once her family found out what he was doing to her. I mean, I get not wanting to step on toes, but sometimes you have to especially especially when a child safety is at risk.
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
@Margaret-eb5 Whose mouth piece are you? You only tell part of the offer to settle story that makes GC look better.
@@Margaret-eb5I just looked at your profile. You are definitely a "mouth piece" and it's not for Truth.
I'm gagging.....I cannot stomach religious superiority!!!
Hot seeing any religion or superiority being displayed here. I am seeing a guy who is in charge of a group of leaders telling people what the leaders are doing and saying he is a father with children, girls and is probably feeling what everybody else is.
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
What is religious superiority? The guy looks sad and disappointed. I can’t tell if his sadness is genuine or not? He says he has been in the church for 18 years. And if he didn’t know about Robert Morris’s past, then surely he would be shocked that the man who appears all good and has been a friend, a leader, an example, did something like this way back. Hopefully, there are no other victims. But justice and the law must be allowed to have their way.
They offered her half ($25k) of what was requested ($50k) to help w therapy only as "hush money!" She had to sign an NDA! Would you have settled? @@Margaret-eb5
Tears? Now? Really? I can't even listen to this. I'm outta here.
Gateway Church you better put a stop to the victim blaming coming from your supporters! It needs to STOP!
Stop calling what is a crime a sin. Pray if you want for these people, after calling the police.
We are Christians. This is our language. He’s not an attorney. And what is different if he calls it a crime v sin?
DAMAGE CONTROL
You are damned if you do you and you are damned if you don’t…
What would you do or expect if you were in their shoes or if this was the church you attended?
What about being a godly man if you’re a pastor. He committed a crime against a 12 year old child. Maybe you don’t know the full story, or maybe you don’t care. The Bible is very clear that a man who is immortal is not to be a teacher.
Or a leader in the church. NOT TO MENTION this church is a harlot church. You need discernment my dear.
Of course. Everything to the light!
Big time
Yep
According to Cindy, at least one elder (Tod I think?) knew of the abuse (2005?). She directly emailed the "pastor" and the elder responded. It's hard to believe that the "pastor" and that "elder" were the only two people aware of the truth for so long and kept it a secret. It is possible, but difficult to believe that this did not come up in discussion. I wonder if they had long planned on denying her allegations. Their initial public response was very dismissive. I don't think they expected the backlash---they thought the sheeple would ignorantly carry on in an air of righteousness. Churches like these are run like secular corporations, and it shows.
I don’t have any compassion for this woman , abuse 5 years? Really? Pastor Robert visit … what ? Every 4 or 5 months?? So what , he just said to her , hey I’m in town! I’ll pick you up so I can “ abuse you one more time”??? Please
She’s going to have a book and a movie and destroy millions in the process, but , hey ! She will have “ justice done” after 40 years ,,,, please 😡
@@micasa7771You have no idea how abuse works.
Yeah, it was 2005. She was emailing Roberts Gateway church email but it wasn’t him responding. It was an elder or I guess somebody that does that for him when he’s away trying to meet with him and all this stuff and she wanted to hear directly from him, not anybody else which I’m. I understand. She was trying to come to terms with what happened in face her abuser and make sure justice reserved in the fact that Robert had to ask her to sign an NDA and that was willing to give her $25,000 to keep quiet but the biggest thing is he should’ve been in jail immediately once they found out what was going on it shouldn’t have happened at all, but it should not have happened for three more years from the first incident. I don’t even wanna call it an incident, but the fear the first case of abuse and step especially when your child is at risk your child has been violated so many people failed Cindy when she was young
@@micasa7771 she was a child who was groomed and believed nobody would believe her and she had no choice but to comply. this is not an unusual case. in fact, this is how several cases of abuse towards children occur, over an extended period of grooming and abuse and it takes years for that child to realize that she will be believed and that there is away out. please read her story and other similar stories so you don't continue to stay ignorant. if for nobody else, do this for the girls and women in your life that may need you to understand.
@@micasa7771 I mean, she sets up and nobody reported it and maybe with everything that has gone on in our world since then she felt now she could finally speak out because according to things Cindy said her dad said you either retire you stay you know you quit ministry altogether or I’m calling the sheriff. I would’ve called the sheriff regardless I would not have given him an ultimatum, he should’ve been putting Joe in registered as an offender years ago but unfortunately I don’t think they’re gonna be able to do anything because I’ve heard someone new stations interview Boyers about this and they said because of how the laws were back when they abuse was happening, the statue of limitations was two years so they don’t think even with how the laws are now that there’s no limitation they don’t think it’ll allow it to be considered, but they are trying to push for retroactive. I don’t remember that, but they’re trying to get it where they can an old case that wasn’t reported under the new laws, but I hope she heals and gets the justice she deserves.
Such a sad situation- please don’t let this allow you to walk away from God. Man is flawed. God is not. Pray for this congregation.
He should never have been preaching, ever. Those who knew and let him continue were in the wrong. I always thought he was a grifter fleecing the church for money, but didn’t know how bad it was.
It's going to be interesting to see how this Law firm will handle the 'damage control' caused by this scandal. Gateway is run like a BIG BUSINESS and when people realized this, they left for smaller congregations that actually demonstrated 'we are all about people'. I know because I attended there for 5 years volunteering my time, resources and helping with all kinds of events. Every Saturday and Sunday was focused on giving your time and money to reach the lost while those of us who served were never actually appreciated. We were never good enough to be in the 'Club'. Just imagine what they could have accomplished if those millions of dollars coming in were not spent on BIG EXPENSIVE BUILDINGS and BIG SALARIES but instead actually used to help so many in need. If they ever get their priorities straight .... they might turn things around. But it just might be too late now.
Most churches are, even some of the small one. The pastors are the CEOs, not the pastor. It's that Rick Warren purpose driven junk!😢
Isn't God good! Isn't God just ! I attended fir a period of 3 months, didnt fit their mold and run.
they were all too happy to use ppl like you to make their organization a shining city on a hill WHILE THEY RAKED IN MILLIONS FOR THEMSELVES...Robt sitting in his $6 million dollar retirement estate and his huge trophy deer ranch and supposedly $120 million banked...the narcissist is probably grinning that he got away with it.
All the elders should be present. Not 1 person speaking on behalf of....smh.
Most jobs would fire you for that abuse and report it to the authorities. This makes me sick that the church covered it up.
No more mega churches. Too much deception and corruption. Pastor wasn’t fired? Turned over to the authorities? I am sickened by this crap happening over and over again.
Wow! So many people on here are so judgemental!So many caddy and ungodly comments. You wont be happy til you have blood from Robert Morris. God is the judge and knows the true intentions of a man's heart. I dont attend Gateway but I'm sure similar situations occur at large and small churches. This is a terrible thing that has occurred and this Lady named Cindy, the victim has suffered dearly and needs healing and whatever else that might help her, but as born-again believers in Christ, we are to pray ernestly for all involved, not condemn each other. If jail time is what is needed for Robert Morris, then God knows that. Guard your tongue people and watch what you say. The devil is definitely in the details and he's having a field day with this, dont give him anymore.
I think you mean “catty”. 🙄
I came to realize that God's justice is restorative, not retributive in the manner that Man's is. Can both the perpetrator and the victim be restored?
Robert Morris was disqualified from ever preaching/teaching again. Believers follow God and His Word not a man. Belivers are called to judge righteously other Believers or those that claim to be ones.
I suggest you o back and study your Bible because it clearly instructs us on how to deal with 🐺 like Morris.
God is the ultimate judge but He also commanded us to judge each other’s actions. In fact Paul told us to rebuke elders that are in sin PUBLICLY
Crocodile tears disgust me.
Seriously puky
I didn't see any tears.... I didn't see any sincerity either. Good job reading that prayer someone prepared.
Sweetness look at the " young lady". What an Actress! Frickin gold digger. There was a better way to do this. The true Victim here again is Jesus Christ Himself. Just another black eye from his near and dear ones. Robert Morris for being a stupid horny young man himself not able to honor his own wife at the time and "the victim" herself. What an Actress!
I’m not sure (and neither are
You) how complicit each person is. While the Morris should never be trusted again in any type of leadership position, we don’t know if this guy or who else did or did not know. A good investigation is needed, this outside law firm should help here. Those who knew need to be accountable
Glad you’re not disgusted for a guy with 7 kids.
Good Morning, would the body of leadership (elders) please take into consideration removing all sermons by Robert Morris. Sadly, even the mere sight of RM currently TRIGGERS many terrible emotions and past memories, to those that find RM behavior dispicable. We will continue to pray for the body of Christs healing and restoration.
Just a thought, why don't we also tear out the ,3/4's of the New Testament? After all it was written by The Chief of All Sinners AKA Paul The Apostle. Those that can't see that R.M. did change can't see the true Gospel. Doesn't it say if you become born again your a new creature? Sure seems to me like he did change and I am no fan of R.M. either but I was used in molestation and incest. We must forgive. Only God should judge. Too much responsibility for us to do so.
These places are not the Church
Predators' enablers always start with "It's the hardest thing for me". I don't believe this elder. As a survivor of a long chain of crimes and abuses in 2 evangelical churches, I am 100% sure that you had seen many predatory behaviours in that wolf and he always used scriptures to excuse them and that all his previous victims of his greed, verbal abuse, etc, were despised. This kind of predators do not work alone.
I am grossly disappointed in RM because my understanding is that he Was saved. He Was a new creation. Or a wolf? Only God knows. But what he did was a crime. If repentant, he needs to publicly apologize himself @SandraLira-gq8oj
Why don’t those who could potentially be triggered by one of Mr. Morris’s sermons just not click on any of the videos posted where he is preaching and protect themselves from being “triggered.”
Any preacher that can’t handle being questioned about their actions doesn’t have the a godly spirit in them. I’ve grown up Pentecostal my whole life and I’m tired of pastors thinking they are not accountable! They want to get in a pulpit and call people Jezabel’s when their hearts are full of pride. God is separating the mega pastors who are loving power and money over holiness! Robert Morris has blood on his hands for not exposing those criminal acts when he said he repented! I hope and pray the church gets an humble man leading them!
No more Morrises to lead the church! The elders need to hire a new senior pastor who is not one of Robert Morris's sons!!
I understand not wanting the sons to be in leadership. But please don't be mean to them. The kids and grandkids had nothing to do with Robert's sins and crimes.
@@angelbarrett4477 um...this stuff gets passed down generationally..the fathers sins curse generations...yes, God can individually break the curse for us.
No Oscar nomination for this performance. What about the victim of this abuse? What about amends to her and her family, how about tears (real ones) for her?
What has made you so jaded
This man should be an actor. Don't believe a word he says
@Cwood79 it's been 30 years. About time to get jaded, don't you think?
@@Cwood79Not jaded at all. Just an observation. Speaking of jaded, I think it’s reasonable to say some people will become jaded after witnessing the same issues over and over without true repentance.
The LORD will provide as long as she continues to trust Him. 🙏💕
An absolute master class in manipulation
Yep, when you see it, you can't unsee it. Those who know, know.
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
Well, I am 59, and I know if you can't show any emotions, it is because you are not feeling them. Politicians are just like this elder.
@@Margaret-eb5 What an awful thing to say. It's this type of thinking that keeps fueling the same crimes. What goes around comes around. You might want to repent for what you said.
How on GOD'S green earth are people still attending this church?
What about the elders who offered her $25,000.00 of hush money years ago?
Listen to what she says your Pastor did to her as a 12 year old child. Now picture yourself as that 12 year old child. Now picture your child as that 12 year old child going through that.
They should've hired an actor as he would've been more believable than this dude!
Right,
Seriously. Don't believe a word he says
A father of six girls. Why shouldn’t he be believed?
Agreed! Unfortunately, the congregation accepted it hook, line, and sinker.
And you all know this man. Or are you using psycho babble to judge him. How do you know he is lying?
Why is it necessary to use an independent law firm considered Robert Morris has resigned or is there far more ti come out of Roberts child grooming days? If Cindy is pursuing legal action it just may open the floodgates for other victims to come forward too.
With all these current sex scandals around the Globe, its the wives and children of these perpetrators who suffer very much..😢
Accountability and testimony to the outside world. If they handle it internally, the world will claim cover up.
Wives tolerate it for the money and status
Because she’s obviously after his pocketbook and fame….. little douche. Go to him personally and make it right. Pastor Robert morris over and over again has said he was morally in sin when he was younger….. he repented but she wants more than that…… been sexually abused too and I went to the individual directly….. grow up.
Robert Morris's wife knew this all these years... She even called the victim when the victim was only 17 and told her she forgives her for what she did to her husband 😳
@@patwilson7940when I heard about that, I was disgusted beyond belief
He was not even an elder then....but Kudos to him for speaking on this.
I prefer integrity over an apology. An apology just doesn't mean much to me.
As sad as it looks. God used this man to bless many.Its time to support each other, and stop throwing stones, which one of us without sin.God is merciful. He must face the consequences. It's time we pray for all our leaders.Keep our eyes on Jesus, and keep PRAYING for our church leaders.
Exactly!
Amen
Yes!! Absolutely the truth!
Where is Morris with his apology? Elders, no excuse! Focus on the love of Christ and not man. No one believed Cindy. Shame on Gateway!!!! Your not committed to protecting. I don't believe it..
The time of incident was happened before Gateway church was established. Church still offered her $$, obviously not enough.
She turned the money down because it came with conditions she would not agree to
@@Margaret-eb5- Wow, Margaret - you don’t tell the entire truth about the church requiring an NDA in order for them to give her 1/2 of what she requested … for reimbursing her for her decades of counseling costs. Decades
And he even had the nerve to accuse her of trying to blackmail him and he threatened her! When this man is worth 111 million, he didn't want to spend $50k of his money to help restore the damage he had caused, and the elders failed to probe until they actually got the truth! Now I want to see what BOTH Robert Morris (and Debbie) and this church can do to help Robert's victim(s). You don't heal ANYTHING by allowing that man's SON to take over the senior pastor position of that church.
@@patwilson7940 usually Injury settlement can come with some conditions. Sometimes you can live with the conditions sometimes it may be a bit more difficult. But I don't know what specific conditions may or may not have by attached. It appears both parties were represented by Counsel.Only one side is speaking. The LEGAL Independent comprehensive Investigation will reveal EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING.
This was well spoken, genuine, heartfelt and compassionate. Thank you, Elder Tra, for sharing your heart, speaking justly and keeping it all real. Thank you for not blaming, shaming or making excuses. That was refreshing 💒🙏
There is a difference between *abuse* and RAPING A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL FOR 4 YEARS. SAY WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. 😡
In the last days everything that can be shaken will be. Let’s NOT dismiss all the good that has been done. Let’s Not rely on rumor and UTube for our info. Let him who is without cast the first stone.
A rumor that Robert confessed to?😂
We can’t tell if the elder knew about it or not. We can give people the benefit of doubt that and say he didn’t know. Are the people commenting believers or not? Not sure.
Robert Morris surely deserves our prayer. Of course he should have admitted to this when it happened way back and faced the consequences. Then the shame would not be this huge and disgraceful. When I hear about these things and how some clamour for Robert Morris to be cancelled, I wonder if we should cancel David and all the Psalms that he wrote. Or should we cancel Paul and all the books he wrote in the New Testament? Many people casting stones have skeletons as well that have not been discovered. Yes, Robert Morris has to be held accountable for the pain, trauma and hurt caused to Cindy. At the same time too we acknowledge that he started and has led this massive ministry that has been a blessing to many. Some may question some of the doctrine and theology. But many messages have brought healing and deliverance and blessings to people.
Let’s pray for Cindy for strength, healing and restoration. Please pray for Robert Morris as well. And let the church continue to be a blessing to society; a beacon of light and hope.
Well, well, well, you are already doing RM job here on RUclips. Blind leading the blinds.
Yes And Amen! Either God is Lord of All or He’s not Lord at All! We as the body of Christ need to be on one accord ! We can’t pick and choose scripture ! We are to bear up one another’s burdens even if they created them ! Sexual abuse is a crime let’s be clear And God has a system in order to deal with it And we as the body of Christ need to respond like Christ and not like the Pharisees and Sadducees!
Our Very own witness is on display too ! People are watching us too !
Nothing will change. They will all stay and move on, sweeping it under the rug!$
WOW judgment is beginning at the house of God 😊 No more hiding behind the Church
This is about a person namely Robert Morris and his victim Cindy. Peter was not in trouble because he had molested a 12-year-old child. Jesus is the one cleansing his church. Did the elders know all the facts? That is hard to know for sure but there is pretty good evidence that at least some of them did. Just as Robert Morris will be held accountable so will the eldership members if they knew and are trying to cover their backs. Time will tell.
They knew. For a long time they knew.
Hollywood has nothing compared to these guys
That church should close their doors
No true sorrow there. They may be all about people, but not about Jesus.