Ep. 298 | Prepping for War - On a Budget?
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- Prepping for war on a budget. Is that even possible? Mark Boardman and Jimmy Hamilton seek the answer to this question with the help of Vortex Edge® instructors, Justin Lipska and Mike Griffin. These guys have seen some things and run through a lot of gear in their day. Tune in to find out if you can thrift your way to becoming a battle-ready bad ass.
00:00 - Intro
3:19 - How did this topic come about?
8:56 - Jimmy's War List
15:20 - Minimum requirements for war
44:14 - Creating a war squad
58:46 - Justin's real life example
1:06:54 - Importance of training
1:22:12 - Recap
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The real question is ...when is Vortex going to build a Thermal optic 😂.
For the small price of $10,000
@@hamhocks Probably ~$5000
A buddy of mine who was stationed in Afghanistan and I where sharing beer one night and I asked him about the fighting force there. He explained it as that scene from Rambo 3, they’re people who have been fighting for longer than anyone has been alive, and it’s home field advantage.
I concur! Afghanistan has been eating armies since Alexander the Great had problems there.for the last 100 years, warfare and opium have been driving them.
You can own all that stuff if you want, if you don't have a team of guys that know tactics, all you are is a loot drop.
Hmmm well simo haya (the white death) was just a farmer with a rifle and a machine gun and he was the most lethal man to ever live soo......
@@jakek09 he did it all with an iron sighted bolt action rifle too.
@@jakek09I'm telling you farmers will be the elite. I live in Texas as a county farmer and I'm in far better shape and health than my city friends, oddly stronger too. I thought they would be stronger since they go to the gym and I don't.
Yesterday as a Sunday I butcher a goat to grill it. Thomas was his name , I missed him this morning.
@@oscarbear7498 That sounds hot, but your physical fitness is nothing to a bullet. When city food collapses, farms are the next target. And there's more people in the city than in rural areas. You will be overran. Plus farmers are isolated and typically in the open. You can't watch all cardinal directions 24/7 and you have to come out some time.
@@jakek09 That's a unicorn situation where the only tactic was to push forward. They might as well have fought in rank & file formation.
13:23 Jimmy blows the whole budget on his 4x4 😂. Love it guys. Solid gold as always!
Yeah the last report cost of a us soldier was 2016. It was 22k for equipment. 24k in training. You as a person can get away with about 4k in my opinion. Rife and kit is about 2k the rest is a pack, food,water, clothing. Ammo, food and training is something you have to figure out your budget for
Thanks for being brave enough in the current political climate to cover such an important topic
Here is some advice from the more experienced guys currently on the service on what to buy:
1) Good boots, especially during the first few months of war, there might be a shortage. Finding sizes other than the biggest and smallest could be challenging. While the Army might provide you with some decent boots, it's best to invest in the most expensive pair you can afford. Buy a spare high-rise rubber boots to keep your feet dry, especially when you find yourself sitting in a trench in a rain. Additionally, ensure you have a good supply of socks. When I asked how many the answer was - if you have a place for 10 pairs then take 10 pairs, you will not regret it.
2) A trench shovel and gloves for obvious reasons. While you may not get a chance to shoot, you'll certainly dig a lot.
3) Medikit. All the stuff from the tactical medicine. Plus the extra supply of the medicine if you need some for at least three months.
4) Protection for eyes, ears, hands, knees, etc.
5) A sleeping bag and sleeping mat. Good night rest is important.
The boots is wise.
Typically the last thing people invest and one of the most important. Good footwear drastically reduces fatigue, increasing speed and agility.
Ear , eye , gloves , knees protects also super valuable.
I would just add ability to cook and some solution for it.
If you've mastered fitness, nutrition, and sleep. Your basically a vampire 🧛♂️ almost unkillable.
Vs people who are vegans, over weight, poor fitness, no clue what to eat, sleep terrible. Even for everyday life , it wrecks your brain
Awesome video guys, thanks for the great idea's and thanks for the killer optics!!!
A lot of good advice here. I do agree with the logistical part of things, our ability to move people and equipment across the world is one of many reasons we are the most powerful military in history. Even the ragtag insurgency knew teams worked better, In Iraq we spent a good amount of time raiding villages to cut off supply routes to the insurgency, its the lifeblood of a fighting force. For those people who think they can be a one man show that's not how it works and all these MOH recipients and those crazy, last stand war stories come from situations were the mission went terribly wrong, its not because things went right. In a real "red dawn" type scenario you also need to realize its not going to take but a week until people start interrogating your neighbors to zero in on where you live... and if they have yet to get control of the town... an artillery strike, mortar fire mission, drone strike, airstrike etc.... is gonna be the end of your one man army pretty quick. I do agree that there is huge utility in the basics though, basic fitness, basic rifleman skill, basic medical skills, basic survival skills have tremendous utility and don't require much money to achieve
Yeah..
It's Good To Be A Member Of National Guard..
Paid To Train.
Gear..
You can Buy The Surplus We Went War With..
Early Year Gear..
Digital Vests, Ta Paint Camo To Match Your Area Of Ops.
Pbs7d Night Vision
It's What I Own
We STILL Use In Guard, Along Side The Newer Night Vision...
BUT
I Bought mine $1700 W Military Discount..
Still Good Gear..
I'd say that if we're talking about Red Dawn war prep type stuff, probably one of the better and rarer skills domestically these days would be explosives manufacturing. IED's were mentioned for good reason, they're a good way for a small group of people to decisively affect a war zone where life and death can often depend on cracking a given vehicle or defending an area. I'd also parrot back the point about basic proficiency and experience with a lot of skills like going camping and I wish people would revive victory gardens instead of having lawns. For about the same amount of effort/exercise, you could possibly feed yourself and others like the neighbors you may have to team up with with pesticide free tomatoes or apples and leafy greens that won't be subject to any recall if you're able to grow them in a cold frame. Hopefully if enough of us do activities like that, America would be able to feed herself and be ready for tough times during a potential invasion.
Here's some quick numbers I came up with.. Total annual defense budget $2,010,000,000,000 (2.01T) / 2,200,000 (High estimate of all current Active and Reserve forces from every branch.. Including "Space Farce". ) = $913,000 per person. So to somewhat answer the question, you'd need $1M to be "prepared for war"! You better win that record MegaMillions, something like $416M cash in hand. after all taxes (theft).
It’s funny how people view 33k bucks for a bunch of stuff that also gives a lot of resources and additional education and experience, yet don’t blink an eye at putting a 35k side by side on a credit card.
Thank god u guys finally broke into the topic. Keep it going.
The term it takes a village I think should always be at the forefront of your mind, not just army of one.
With the us talking about a draft this video seema fitting
My shooting buddies emt, carpenter, it, car guy… we’re way more versatile than I realized. Everyone has an AR and can shoot some night vision some suppressor…. As a group kitted out pretty well. One even has a reloading bench in his suv if times got real desperate.
No drone operator?
Noobs
I enjoyed this. Thank you
A bunch of dudes with AKs fended off the greatest army in the world while wearing bedsheets.
Jimmy just covered what I said at 25 minutes
Sure, you could make that argument, but it doesn’t really tell the story. When you have a small force with an ill defined goal trying to not only snuff out the vague “terror threat” but also try and manage a civil war in the same country you’re trying to fight “terror”, it really makes for a lose-lose situation. Additionally, when you have to be worried about public perception, collateral damage, violating rules exc, it does make it difficult to fight a guerrilla war against foes who don’t follow those same rules.
@jimyeats you have a point. When fighting against an ideology combined with PR restraints, etc.. it really was a lose-lose situation. .
@@jimyeats cause you won’t have that on top of the instability of America if we engage in a civil/guerrilla war
@@MylesKillis I’m not saying you won’t, simply responding to the specific post above.
I LOVE THIS TOPIC😊.
Idk if you guys read my comment on your last prepping video to make more videos on the topic but thsnk you for making this content.
Its a subject that is so much fun to talk about, and also very funny
I am so hopeing for a segment on different african hunting cartriges.
"8 week program". what a great reference!! classic
If you served in a Combat Arms Military unit, $75,000. If you didn't serve your country at all $100,000, easily. It costs a lot to outfit and train a Soldier. It is what it is.
Logistics and communication are the key. Tacticool gear will not help you.
The cheapest and most important things you can get are 'physicallt fit' and 'be a team player'.
The tools you use may change, i promise there will be plenty of weapons, uhh, _tactically aquired_ in that situation that youll find a rifle. A lot of things our soldiers have, or are supposed to have, are luxeries that most ground pounders wont even get.
Water, handeld thermal + solar panel, backpack, sleeping bag, food, lots of food, some tools, a gun and a good chunk of ammo somewhere...
$32,000 is insanely conservative for an ok-ish kit... maybe if you got some killer black friday deals, and surfed the used market really hard you might make it close, but if you're throwing in vehicle stuff, training costs, nods, thermal, IR, and stuff... you might wanna double that number at least...
I don't need nods I trained attack owls to fight with me at night.
Amateurs talk about tactics, professionals talk about logistics.
Bobs gun shop, it's the largest gun store in the entire Tidewater region of Virginia
This episode is Sooo funny
The original phrase is “Jack of all trades, and a master of one.”
I find it concerning across the Guntuber spectrum that everyone seems to be training for war. I read comments about starting the shooting match. Has anyone considered that starting a civil war is essentially signing your family’s death warrants? It’s easy to be brave with your own skin on the line but chances are that you haven’t raised your families with the warriors mindset or skills. Anyone that has seen the chaos of war knows that you can’t prepare children for that. You might witness them in the role but I can almost guarantee you that they aren’t there because it’s fun.
You fight a civil war not for yourself but for your children. What kind of a country do you want to leave for them?
That's why I plan to feed up my children and eat them. More protein for me
Nobody wants any war but it seems like it might come to us whether we want it or not
"Just be a Farmer." Lol.
Suddenly what the Bolsheviks did makes a lot more sense.
i honestly think this is your best vid ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
survival, evasion, resistance, escape would be the only skills that would keep you alive. Force on force will get you killed quick. IMHO
Camouflage 😂
Moral of the story is... start or join a militia...
Airsoft gear, it’s cheap and it can work depending on material and quality but it will be cheaper than actual military gear. Perfect example when I was in the Marine corps I bought myself a battle belt because at the time my unit didn’t issue them officially. It was a cheap belt, it did fray, and take damage but the biggest thing was it WORKED. I had magazine pouches, my IFAK, and dump pouch on it. I dragged it through 29 palms California , fort drum Ny , camp grayling Michigan and even in Norway for a deployment. To my shock and amazement the belt held and I had it for all my 6 years. When I left I took it home and simply looked at it and was amazed what it went through attached to my body. It was damaged and clearly filthy. I gave it a resting place in my dumpster but it’s purpose for me still engraved in my head.
Mil surp gear works pretty good as well and it’s much tougher.
I find it funny that you ask the question of "is it even possible" while living in a country that didn't exist until the people grabbed the gear they had, put on their big boy pants and defeated the worlds most powerful military. The real question is are there enough people willing to do what is necessary?
Very insightful podcast. It would just be nice if your optics weren't overpriced and made in china.
All that money for a 20 minutes when your untrain men around you bolt when a drone flys by every body are moving targets. You need magazines, weapon, some water some and jerky first aide kit some camo poncho real tree you may maket over night.good luck when the shooting starts people stop thinking the age of the groups I'm 70 now just replace hip I would barricade center block filed with concreat three cores thick mounts lights with moshion dectors shine around your aera when some one with night vision goes blind when the light go on you can shooting then lights out a man that will stand and fight may last maby not
Love the shows you guys have on here. Lots of good information. This one proposed a very unique set of circumstances in which one may find themselves. I would propose getting to know the Lord because if some scenario like you all discussed ever actually happened, you might get to meet Him waaayyy before you'd expect.
Niche topic for sure but interesting nonetheless! The comments are going to rail y’all about “realism” but it is a worthwhile thought experiment nonetheless; who of you hasn’t thought about these scenarios?
LARPing that anyone would do anything. Look outside. It's happening right now across the western hempisphere. No one is doing anything about it.
Don't forget to wear your pt belt. It can save you from a nuke.
I wish I had a nickel that dude said umm
“Sports and fighting are not the same thing!” Okay Mr. Street Fighter, why don’t you walk over to the table where the guy with cauliflower ear and concrete covered boots is sitting and start making fun of his wife? Let me know how that works out for you.
It’s not any different with firearms.
*PEOPLE, PLEASE DO NOT START GOOGLING HOW TO MAKE CERTAIN "IMPROVISED" ITEMS!* Having brains is the moral of the story... 🤦
This is just satire to me from the UK. like you if we get invaded my bolt action will have to do or give it to the next best man. We stand no chance no matter how many NVG'S and Airsoft larping anybody does.
You guys are allowed to own bolt action rifles over there?
@@anonymousf454 yes, every chambering you can think of. Same with shotguns, I own a couple rifles and shotguns. I use them for work as a professional deer stalker.
@@cyphertheprodeer stalker. Sounds like a nice gig
@@dualityofmorons it is, I am planning on shooting 200 on my 5000 acre ground this year. I have worked hard but it's all worth the reward of getting to hunt nearly every day and all year.
Do you get a pass because of your profession? I mean can the average citizen own such firearms in UK? I thought it was heavily restricted
i cant wait to find you walking re supplies from red it when the civil war kicks off!!!
Bring back the draft. Every able bodied young man should know how to fight in combat.
Hell no. I’m not fighting for Satanic globalists.
Slavery was abolished quite some time ago.
@@USpatriot741776it’s not slavery cause you get paid and get to pick your job
As long as you hold females to the standards of other adults we can talk.
Very narrow niche topic. How many people are doing anything that you mentioned? .001% of the 350million people in the US? Sure we have a dozen guns, but not what you’re thinking. This is just fanciful bsing.
Most of prepping is tacticool bullshit.
Teenagers running around will enslave us all
We have more guns than people. "A dozen" is just dishonesty, plain and simple.
Not even realistic. None of you even have half of this stuff 😂 neither do soldiers. I guess we are running out of content.
Ehh its a fun thing to think about but nobody is claiming they doit all
I listened for 17 minutes and I couldn’t take it any more. All the needless banter is a waste of my time. Y’all were not convincing that you were going to look at the question realistically. First and foremost, prepping is a mindset and dedication. Second, buying a little here and little there. It adds up quickly. There are so many ways to do it on a budget. As the pastor of a small church, disabled vet, and father of 13 children I know prepping on a budget. Don’t make it so hard and don’t drag out the video with needless banter. 1.5 hour?? Get real!
4 trillion divided by 330 million people equals 🟰 $12,121.21
So if you want to a place to start 12k can get you a good rifle and plenty of ammo, gear, supplies like emergency food and medical. Just can’t have NVG’s. Go to your local milsurp supply get kit and go from there.
I would just max out fitness and speed.
My old group of a squad would obsess over gucci gear but were fat and out of shape.
I straight up told them , if one of you guys needs help, and has to be carried non of you guys can lift each other.... mf be 250lb + extra gear.
I'm 150lb and can squat 290lb almost 2x my weight.
With 30lb of gear I can be carried away at 180lb with my gear on.
My old squad is too fat, unless they are butt naked I'm not move them at all, just dragging them.
How em I going to drag a 300lb 🐖 human.
I told then they can't even survive McDonald's let alone a civil war , and left.
Rather go solo
@@oscarbear7498 of course being physically fit is important. Just pointing out some numbers and budgets.
I had to google it. There are so many Bob's Gun Shops 😂