Ep. 023 - 6.5 PRC
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- On this episode, Seth and Neil are joined by Joe Thielen and Jayden Quinlan from our engineering and ballistics department. The topic is all things 6.5 PRC. We start with the history, dating all the way back to 2012, with some additional input from George Gardner of GA Precision. We cover the initial design and release of the cartridge and talk in-depth about the match and hunting applications. The 6.5 PRC is one of the most balanced hunting/long-range target rounds ever designed. If you are interested in the 6.5 PRC, then this episode is for you.
Would be awesome if Hornady would raise the production numbers on the 6.5 PRC.....
Love my 6.5 PRC just with you made more ammo available to buy! It is always out of stock. This is so easy to get out 500 yards with your ELD.
I certainly hope the 6.5 prc production increases exponentially because deer season starts in a matter of a couple months and the ammo is hard to find and when I do find it it crazy expensive. Looking forward to trying the 6.5 prc on deer for the first time this year.
I have two 6.5 CM, one in AR10 the other is a bolt. My next two long gun purchases will be the 6.5 PRC and the 300 PRC. Thanks for creating those cartridges!
I had Gap build a do-all 6.5 PRC for me and chose it over 4s for factory ammo options. It is a great rifle. About the time it arrived, the ammo dried up…I should have bought a .308 or enough reloading components for a barrel life. I hope you can catch up on ammo soon. I really want to love this rifle and cartridge.
One could even argue.... that the 6.5 PRC is a "reinvention of the wheel" or the older 6.5 Remington Magnum.
Short action, fat case, no belt, proper throating with a fast twist barrel, long throat to accommodate the longer 6.5 bullets..... all at similar velocities.
It's almost like everything that was "broke" with the 6.5 Remington Magnum, was fixed with the 6.5 PRC!
My 6.5 Remingtons ALL shoot well.... I look forward to checking out the 6.5 PRC someday!
Or 6,5 284 norma
@robertpetersson5655
Yep! That one too...
They all seem to mimck a high pressure, hot loaded 6.5-06
And I think they're all great cartridges!
Let’s make more PRC ammo…
Would love to see more 6.5 prc being pushed through production. Almost impossible to find ammo.
Second this.
Are you looking at Academy sports on line?
Same here
@@nickbaker5594 I saw it on the shelf yesterday with boxes of 300 PRC.
I was actually able to find some on a shelf locally in local small town sporting goods store, as well as a cabelas near me. Its looking up!
Bought my 1st long distance gun to shoot steel in 6.5 PRC w/ 200 rounds today. Can't wait til it all arrives.
I m a welder. Also did factory manufacturing. Actually worked for an ammo company
Would like to see more of the factory!!
Sad, the eye of man is never satisfied... now I want one....
Your doing great Seth
I had a 6.5 creedmoor but sold it and now have a 6.5 PRC that I haven't shot yet. I didn't have a problem with the Creedmoor, I just wanted the extra power for hunting and now that the PRC ammo is on my local store shelves, it pushed me to buy one.
i have both also. i want to get rid of my CM but have a bunch of precision hunter ammo for it and i also feel like i’d regret selling it. i might just make my gf hunt with the CM. but i love the 6.5 PRC. plenty of power for what and where i hunt.
@Darian Gerardo If it matters any, I ended up with another 6.5 creedmoor. LOL
Inherent accuracy is rare in a big game class. The cartridge is remarkable. Home run. I've never seen a cartridge like such a wide variety of burn rates even getting to 8133.
Shot my PRC for the first time today. Shot all factory
130 Barnes TSX
142 ABLR
143 ELDX
147 ELDM
156 EOL
All shot MOA or better. Very impressed. 156 EOL’s and 143 ELDX’s shot the best. Both shooting under 3/4” 5 shot groups. I honestly couldn’t believe it, very rare to find that from such a wide range of factory ammo, in a factory rifle.
Bought a Bergara 6.5 PRC 2 years ago . I finally found ammo last month I grabbed all 6 boxes . Now I need time to shoot it . More ammo production please …!!!
Just about everything is back on the shelves, but finding 6.5 PRC ammo is still damn near impossible. It's one of the most popular calibers for new gun sales - how is Hornady (and others) somehow not getting that message and ramping up production? The supply/demand still seems way out of wack for PRC.
Primers are classified as an explosive now, so it puts one more road block in the supply chain. It’s obviously designed for gun control.
My all time favorite cartridge
I Have 4 In 6.5 PRC’s In 26 Inch Barrels. Everything From Coyotes Hogs Whitetail Mule Deer & Elk Recently. This Is My Long Real Estate Precision 1200 & Some Change. My Go To Bolt Rifle All Day & Night Long. Great Information Coverage 👍🤛🇺🇸
My 6.5 PRC really took a shine to your 130 gr CX bullet in my handloads . Purchased some 143gr ELD X Precision Hunter from the same lot to obtain brass. That factory ammunition shot extremely tight groups Excellent ammunition
Yes sir..been loadin and buyin factory since February for my waypoint…just got done with 50 135 a tips over n560…hard to measure when there in same hole…shot a .19” 3rd@100 then tried to duplicate it and pulled 1st one then put next 2 so perfect i barley could tell it went through same hole…130tmk@3250 are wicked..but yes the 143x was very consistent through my crono
Thanks for the information on the 6.5PRC. This is my introduction to it.
information..? It's a commercial!☝🏻
The Winchester Model 70 WSM magazines accommodate this cartridge length Perfectly.
It blows my mind how many 6.5 prc rifles are in the shelf no wonder I can’t find brass for it
Getting ready to purchase my 2nd 6.5PRC . thank god I'm a reloader. Cause in the past 2 years I have only seen 2 boxes of 147gr ELD-M on the shelves.
Me too, but until recently have seen not one box. Now i can find it local as well as my cabelas near me
Awesome, a podcast about imaginary Hornady ammo!!!
😂 too true
I have seen a couple of cases in Academy Sports in the last month. I think I'll find the pot of gold under the rainbow before I find brass cases, primers, or powder!
Great pod
Love mine but getting a box of their ammo in Idaho have found some in Oregon but only 2 boxes my long list of friends have sold me some brass but that's it been thinking about swapping the barrel out to 300 wsm just to shoot more.
Tell us about that 7 PRC 😉!
Kind of a newbie here, getting my first hunting rifle shortly, want to choose a caliber that'll serve my interests but also that I won't want to replace after a year. I want to get something that will take a deer or elk within ~200yds, which is most hunting calibers, but I also want something that's good at long range (~600yds at best). I thought a 6.5 PRC would be better than a 30-06, but I have to get good at my rifle, so ammo costs would be really high. I still prefer the stats on 6.5PRC over the 30-06. Is 6.5PRC, after two years since this video, going to be more common & cheaper? It seems to dominate most rounds for recoil/velocity/ft.lbs/flat range, so why is the 6.5CM so much more popular? Ron Spomer does a good video of 6.5PRC vs .270, but I can't shake my desire for the 6.5PRC. Ammo costs have to come down. I don't mind paying a premium, but it's almost double the cost.
Good video, guys, thank you.
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor, about to buy a 6.5 PRC and saving money for a 7 PRC.
Love my prc waypoint…
Great information. Very interesting! I don’t understand the statement about the downside of faster twist rates when he mentioned “dispersion”? Someone please explain
I would build an ELDx that won't come apart at the velocities the PRC shoots. Maybe bonded or 155gr maybe?
There already here. Nosler ABLR’s. Shoot lights out in all of my guns.
@@bobmcmillen4502 My slow 1:9 twist shoots Speer Gold Dots BC of .571 bonded VLD style with great weight retention at 3000 fps impacts.
My new Browning s bolt Pro will not shoot the 130g CX. I consistently get 3"+ groups. The 143g ELD-X I get sub 0.5" groups. I love that ELDX!
I love my 6.5 PRC I took it out to a competition/ class and using factory Hornady ammo I was hitting milk jug targets at 1500 yards and a mile. Too bad that ammo is almost $6 a round now
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - Luckily, I hunt with a 270 Winchester, so I don't have that problem! 🤭 I paid $27.99 per box for Horneday Superformance Ammunition last fall in 130 grain GMX, 130 grain SST, and 140 grain SST factory Ammunition! 🤑 In Factory Ammunition, the 270 Winchester actually shoots flatter than anything currently available out their for the 6.5 prc and at a much lower cost! 😜 If I reload with Magpro or Reloader 16 (not just using Superformance Factory loads), I can also get well over 3,200 ft/s with both 130 grain loads using a 130 Nosler Ballistics Tip! If I step down to a 110 grain Nosler Accubond or Barnes ttsx and use Norma 204 powder, the 270 Win is capable of pushing those bullets over 3,500 ft/s! If I step up to a 150 grain and use around 60 grains of Reloader 26, I can get well over 3,000 ft/s with it (I use the 150 grain Nosler ABLR and 150 grain Swift A-Frame for elk)! However, I share your concerns with both the cost and availability of the Ammunition for the 6.5 prc! I haven't been able to find primers in the last several years, so I am forced to buy Factory Ammunition until I do! 😡 On a recent road trip around my state, 1 month ago, I went to over 100 gun stores and saw NO 6.5 prc Ammunition on the shelf! 🤯 Those that have found it have, just like you, remarked on it's extremely high cost! ☹ It doesn't help Hornaday to promote the cartridge and then not keep it available at a reasonable price! 🤪 So, Horneday, why are you doing this? 🧐 Your consumers want to know (and you are not doing this cartridge any favors, if you want it to succeed)? 🕵️♂️ Well, what is the problem? 🤷♂️
@@ronlowney4700 try shooting that standard 270 past 600 yards on targets with the shitty bullets for the long range game for your 270! 6.5 prc will smoke that 270! If it wasn’t for Jack O’Connor that caliber wouldn’t be half as popular as the 30/06! Your just another FUDD!!! lol 😂
😏 Hummm..you must be buying your bullets from the wrong manufacturers!🤭 All those trophies on my wall never knew what hit them! 😂 Maybe, in your case, it's the shooter and not the "accessories" - because I am not having that problem? 🤣
😃 I don't worry about using bullets with high B.C.'s, but proven high A.D.'s (Actually Death's) of Trophy Animals! 🦌 I have never seen one target killed from a bullet yet! 🤣
@@ronlowney4700 6.5 PRC will overrun the .270 Win within about 100yds. I was raised on .270 and have a special place for it, but short action 6.5 PRC out-classes it.
I was interested in the 6.5PRC, but decided a 7mm PRC was more suitable for my hunting
Perfect example of shortening barrel life. If you MOSTLY hunt with it, no problem.
Just wish it was more available
I’m very much on the fence between a 7mm-08 and the 6.5 PRC.
I can’t wait to hit the field with my 6.5 prc model 70
I like what Hornady was trying accomplish with the 6.5 PRC. However, back in 2017 you have a video of George Gardner on your channel stating that the 6.5 PRC is the best option to run high BC bullets in a short action. I feel that Hornady rushed this cartridge to market without looking at the possibility of future bullets such as the 156gr Bergers or Hornady's own 153gr A-tip. These heavy bullets need to be seated deep in the 6.5 PRC case to be magazine fed in a short action. I would like to see Hornady adopt some of the 6.5 Sherman Short cartridges. These cartridges are much more well suited for a short action. I seen load data on 6.5 SST that gets at 156gr Berger to 3020fps and the 147gr ELD-M to 3100fps. While the Sherman cartridges have no SAAMI standard, I think they could be made to SAAMI standards and run around 60-65ksi. Hornady should definitely consider looking at these cartridges.
With Respect, It's funny watching You youngsters so happy rediscovering the Swedish mauser = 6.5x 55..
I had 6.5x55s from 1998 till 2023. Hunted and handloaded with 3 of them. Is a 30-06 a 300 win mag? Just because it's the same caliber doesn't mean anything. I don't have 6.5x55s now, I have 2 6.5 PRCs and the Browning has a scope on the way. The Bergara has 100 rounds through it now. You tell me if these numbers sound familiar to you. Bergara premier approach 24 inch 130 grain factory terminal ascent 3150-3180 fps. That's the reality of what the PRC is doing..The Hornady 143s are close to 3000 fps. I have chronographed on two different occasions. Numbers are going up as the barrel gets faster. And now I have a 26 inch Browning to play with. Oh if you didn't recognize those numbers...it's the same as a 264 Win mag...not a 6.5x55.
A fast twist increases bullet dispersion, im pretty sure that Bryan litz and applied ballistics has proven that incorrect.
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome!
I have two 6.5 PRC rifles. One for the range and local hunting, the other for my special hunts. Ireally liked the idea of magnum performance in a short action. I have read that some gun powders actually require magnum primers. Is that true and if so which ones? What is the truth about an 7mm PRC coming out? I didn't want to buy another rifle but I would have to have that!
869 powder likes magnum primers..back off a gr..
I would really like to see yall flood the market with the 6.5 Creedmoor ammo because I can't find ammo for my rifle or can I buy from yall ??? And it would be nice to hear back from someone from your office about this and looking for hunting ammo at is very accurate.....
Yall need to make more boolats and a wider choice of bullets for the PRC like when yall gone do a SST GMX or Cx
I want some Cx! I loaded some 129 interlocks in my cases and it was a beautiful thing!
Hello sir, thank you for wonderful conversation I am lessening, but all PRC ammo is very expensive retial is selling?
So with the evolution of the 6.5 prc, and with the 7 mil PRC coming out. How will that affect the people who is having trouble finding 6.5PRC ammo? Would the design of the 7mil PRC overshadow the 6.5PRC, would that make the 6.5PRC obsolete even though the 6.5PRC is still relatively new on the market and people are still hesitant on getting a rifle chambered in 6.5PRC. I know I would love a 6.5PRC but hesitant on investing in the caliber not knowing if that caliber will stay around. Is more ammo manufacturing companies going to start making 6.5PRC rounds to buy?
What powders are used in the factory 143 ELD-X and 147 ELD-M ammo? I found some 147 bullets to reload but no 143's. I was able to buy a couple boxes of the 143's and 147's a year ago, but 6.5 PRC must be so popular that it doesn't even make it off the dock to the shelves...sigh
Almost as good as a .264 Winchester Magnum!
Bergara b14 in 6.5 prc currently in the safe lol wooo!
Any news on a 7mmPRC?
You guys ever going to make ammo for the 6.8 western would love to see some outfitter or superformance cx ammo line for it?
I heard not. Competing too much w the 7prc
@Bob McMillen yea that's my guess they are extremely close in performance so why make ammo for the competition. Glad my 6.8 is doing well with 162 copper impact .25 inch groups at 100
@@OutdoorBoys.308 I got some 165 gr Nosler ABLR’s to shoot sub moa in my 270 win at 2890fps with 1:10 twist. The ballistics on the really makes me think about the 6.8. But the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. The 6.8 is a lot closer to the 7prc than Hornady would like to admit.
@Bob McMillen my hells canyon lr don't like the 165 accubonds 3" groups have not tried the 170s. It also likes the browning 175gr.
@@OutdoorBoys.308 did you do seating depth trials @ .003 increments?
🤠 Ronbo (Montana Mountain Man) - I want to Congratulate Horneday on the choice to make the 6.5 prc, 6.5 Creedmore, and 6 Creedmore! And also to remind you of WHY these cartridges are so successful, as to INFLUENCE YOU on Any Future Cartridge Development as to WHY that is so! If you look at the Best Selling/Most Popular Cartridges in the Following Calibers, You Will See a Pattern: 30 caliber - 308 Winchester; 7mm caliber - 7mm-08 Remington; 270 caliber - 270 Winchester; 6.5 caliber - 6.5 Creedmore; 6mm caliber - 243 Winchester (mabey the 6 Creedmore, some day?); and the 223 Remington! What do ALL THESE CARTRIDGES HAVE IN COMMON? They are ALL MILD RECOILING CARTRIDGES! Why? Because the VAST MAJORITY OF HUNTERS AND SHOOTERS DON'T WANT to hunt/shoot/or need self defense with A BIG MAGNUM, unless it is absolutely necessary! For most of us, especially if we hunt in the lower 48 states, it isn't necessary! So, if you WANT TO MAKE THE MOST MONEY AND DOMINATE THE MARKET, keep your FOCUS ON THE MORE PLEASANT SHOOTING CALIBERS! Most of us will never be going to Alaska or Africa to hunt dangerous game anyway! Besides, my Grandfather killed Grizzlies (and Record Book Bison, Moose, Elk, Sheep, Mount Goats, etc...) all with his 270 Winchester! That would include more than 500 elk while working on the firing lines near Yellowstone Park culling elk herds (Including Alot of Very Big Bull Elk)! So, nothing more is needed for lower 48 game animals! Certainly not those "Big Magnum Cartridges", even though I've owned a few (I found it out from 45 years of hunting experience and from my Grandfathers before me)! They are not worth your time, effort, and money! Nope! Let's keep the cartridges "practical" and the prices "reasonable"! 😁
Spot on!!!
😁 Thank You! I Hope Horneday is Listening? 👂
Hard to find 6.5 PRC ammo that's why I have a 6.5 Creedmoore
I need one to go with my 338 RCM.
I have a 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro with a 23" barrel (muzzle to receiver W/O brake). with its pencil thin fluted stainless steel barrel it will give 3/4" to 1/2" groups at 100 yards FOR THE 1st THREE SHOTS. Then the skin barrel heats up and groups open up to 1" and 1.25". Still that's not bad and if I can't get my game with 3 shots I need to find another hobby.
My competition rifle shoots 6.5 CM even better with its much heavier barrel.
You needed the 130CX because the 127LRX is the tits!
Hey I developed A 50 BMG bullet that needs a BC calculator of at least 1.4. Why do you only go to 1.2. This bullet starts out at 2750 FT/ sec and at 1000 yds it is still going 2700 FT/sec.?????": I need help thank you.
We want a 7mm 190-195gr ELD-X
I’m waiting on the 6 PRC.
You will have to wildcat that one if you want it off of the 6.5 PRC. Thanks for the comment.
Would love to see more consistency in hornady bullets. My box of 143 eldx was +-2 grain spread and ogive was all over the place.
I had same problem w the match. Thread the barrel and get an EC Tuner brake. You’ll bring those in to sub moa. Look them up on line and here on RUclips
@@bobmcmillen4502 I just shoot Berger
What barrel length would you recommend for a mountain hunting rifle
24"
24" Carbon
Any plans on 277 prc or 277 creedmoor cartridges
What about a 22 PRC with a magnum bolt face??? Maybe in the future???
Have y'all fixed your chambers yet at the 200 line?
We don’t come out with a cartridge, just to come out with a cartridge. Hehehaha, yes you do!
I really love my 6.5 Creedmoor and I would like to know what is so definite in the 6.5 PRC ???
200-260fps faster with the same bullets, meaning flatter trajectory, less wind drift, still fits inside a short action. Recoil is astonishingly-low with it too. I expected it to punch more, but it's a pussycat in the shoulder, and I've only shot it from a Carbon Fiber rifle so far.
They had to of looked at the 6.5-284 and though that's just about right for what we need. The 6.5-284 is essentially the exact same thing.
S. a. vs. L.A.
Great round
Are those based off the .375?
In general, costs and availability are the reasons that I haven't bought a gun, primers, bullets, brass..... since 2020.
Whenever that all changes for the better, one of my first purchases will be a 6.5 PRC. Another recent "newbie" cartridges will be a 360 Buckhammer rifle (s) and cartridge.
This 6.5 PRC is really the only 6.5 cartridge that really caught my attention of late. The Creedmore never did because it was just a reinvention of the wheel.... the 260 Remington.
Now, what's wrong with pushing the 7mm PRC's shoulder back about about a 1/4", leaving a slightly longer neck, and sizing it down to 6.5mm?
It would be a more modern 264 Winchester magnum, in a long action.
It would have the "magic chamber throating" of your PRC cartridges, quick twist rifling, the longer neck to make it adaptable to ALL bullet lengths... but with the larger capacity for (maybe) higher velocity than the 6.5 PRC.
Talk about 8.6 blackout please
I know I probably missed it but what’s the difference in the X vs the M…I know one’s for huntin and one for match but what’s the actual differences…
The ELD-X is for hunting and is made to mushroom nicely FOR SURE while the ELD-M is for target but WILL open enough on light skinned animals like antelope and deer to drop them.
@@ericb.4358 🫡..I’ve drilled some 168gmm I’m gonna try and have 130rdf and 140vld in 6.5prc loaded to max speeds I’m gonna open up n see what they do to jugs as my 130tmk’s runnin 3250fps expand best and lay a whalop on em at 200yrds. But so does my 110gr .308 v max out 24” fn spr runnin 3500…those and varmageddon both you ought to see impact at 100yrds on jugs in slo mo..I had 2 roof bolts staked with steel tie wire holdin milk jug and it liked to knocked stakes down from exploding and the water leavin was incredible….5” groups with rounds that fast..
Looks like everyone is having trouble finding ammo so might just go with the creedmoor
What is the recommended barrel length where velocity doesn't suffer?
What are you going to use it for?
When yall coming back with thr interbond line
So they got workers back?
Not just working from home?
Wish Hornady made this ammunition still!
I hardly see this ammunition
We have never shut down. We made more produced more and expanded our production area in the past two years. Sorry you haven't been able to find any but it's not due to lack of production.
@@hornady than where is this ammunition at?
I’d really like to know!
Sounds like a bunch of bs to me!
I have seen it in 6.5 Creedmoor but rarely in 6.5 PRC.
Local gun store here in Hawaii just got a shipment in grabbed 2 cases so it’s starting to become available been waiting about 2 years
@@nathanielpinkham5560 People buy it as soon as they see it.
Why doesn't hornady build rifles too? With the brains to design and build the whole creedmoor, PRC line and the chambers to go with them, why not go all the way?
I'm searching for a very long and heavy projectile 338 Lapua Magnum. Something for extreme long shooting only. (NO HUNTING). WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND???
Look no further than the 300 grain A-tip® as a fantastic option for what you are looking to do. The product number is 33389. Thanks!
Go to a PRC forum.
Why not a 150-159gr bullet?
Why just a 143gr bullet?
Please reconsider making a change to a higher weight for next bullet
I've been looking for 6.5 PRC ammo for a year and a half. Anyone want to hazard how many rounds I've managed to find?
The answer: 0
Your looking in the wrong places.. i bought my first one last summer. I am currently sitting on 19 boxes of Precision Hunters and 4 boxes of Nosler BT ..It was not cheap but i found it.
@@leroydaniels5793 Where would you suggest looking then?
6.5 prc is cool, but how about the 20 practical?
Still cannot buy 6.5 PRC brass that Made by you what’s the deal don’t seem To remember The reloaders
Merci
If you're worried about shooting a 130 at an elk, go with a bigger cartridge with a heavier bullet. Plain and simple. No different metal is going to put your mind at ease if you don't like the bullet weight
Brother what I’ve seen outta my 130tmk@3250 inside 500 ain’t an elk alive run off from that much power….you ought to see jugs get shredded at 200…fun as hell…I’ve got 6 different bullets and 7 different powders all 1” loads and shot a .19”er this weekend..24” carbon waypoint..n560 for 135s….h1000..magpro…retumbo 140s…haven’t found 153s or 57eol’s yet..
@charlesmullins3238 I know that those bullet weights will put an elk down no problem. It's not about the bullet weight, it's about placement. Put a 200 grain bullet in the wrong spot, and that elk will run a lot further than a 130 put in the right spot
@@chadillac95 well yea…I’d be fine with these 129gr interlocks when you crank the heat up on em..but shot placement is #1
Just get a 264 mag. I’ve been using one since the 1990’s.
I wanna see a 6PRC
PRS Shooters are shifting back to 6.5s.
Is the 147 eldm the heaviest bullet you will make for 6.5?
No they make 153 grain Atips, I shoot 156 grain Bergers what an awesom bullet.
Try AccubondLR in 150 grain.
Plus by new many have seen the 6.5 cm run out of gas on animals. The 6.5 prc is a modern 270 win. Lol.
Bought a 6.5 PRC, can't find brass or ammo. Sorry I bought it.
Sheel’s has brass in stock.
Is the 6.5 PRC A barrel burner?
Or
Is that just hype?
If you push it to its working pressure, it will torch the throat. If you keep it 55,000psi or less and let case volume with slow-burning powder work for you, you can keep throat life longer. George Gardner proved this with 6.5 GAP4S.
Why all these new cartridges when you can’t get ammo???
Makes the old standbys look more attractive than ever 😀👍👍
Wish there was ATip at 144gr as 153gr never catches up at 1200 yards and out!
Boy I’ve got the 135s dialed…same hole 3050fps
Make more ammo!
🤔 Since I shoot a 270 Winchester in your 130 grain CX, which replaced your 130 grain GMX, WHY does it have a "Significantly Lower Ballistics Coefficient" - when all you did was add the heat shield tip to it? 🤷♂️
Is it not a more aerodynamic bullet? It doesn't have a higher BC?
🤷♂️ It is supposed to be the same exact copper bullet with a different tip, I believe (because they can mold that copper bullet into anything that they want)! So, Why would your "Upgrade" be a Significant "Downgrade" in it's aerodynamic abilities? 🤪 It makes no sense, unless their GMX was initially overrated in it's aerodynamic abilities? But, I want to here the Truth from them! 🤔
The 130 grain GMX bullet has a B.C. of 0.460 and the 130 grain CX bullet has a B.C. of 0.403! If the only thing that changed was the heat shield tip, the B.C. should not go down! What is up with this? 🤷♂️
@@ronlowney4700 the GMX BC was derived using an older method. With the CX, the BC is found with doppler derived data and more accurate. If we were to use the new method on the old GMX, the BC would be lower. The relief grooves on the new CX and the new tip absolutely give it a better BC.
Very Good! 👍Thanks! 😁
Should I watch this? There is no 6.5 prc ammo anywhere!
How come you can"t make a round like
I want one
When did they introduce the 30-30 Winchester ? How many rifles have been chambered for this ? What was the original cartridge designation ? 30 calibre & 30 grains of black powder . There is no magic cartridge ! Each one has its pro's & con's . Simple physics , if this cartridge did everything , then tell me why do hornady produce projectiles in all sizes ? I not suggesting that it's bad but you can get the same results from any number of calibres !
An 11.5" 6.5 Grendel pistol has more energy on-target at 400yds than a 20" .30-30 does at 200yds, and the Grendel is a much smaller cartridge, fits in the AR-15 or micro action bolt guns. Has less recoil too.
@@LRRPFco52 , you are missing the point . A 30-30 is not a 6.5 Grendel . What are you comparing ? This would be like comparing a 30-06 with a 25-06 , 270 or a 8mm-06 . If you think the 6.5 is something new then just look at the history of the 6.5 . Nothing new under the sun . A far as fitting into an Ar 15 action then the 30 blackout does this , are they the same ? Handguns are another one is your 6.5 Grendel the same as a 357 ? Each one has their merits , but not one can & will do everything ! In my cabinet I have purpose-built rifles . 22 rimfires up to 375 H&H magnum . By the way I have owned a 30-30 in a model 94 Winchester . Open sights on running game 13 out of 14 shoots .
@@paulsullivan9697 What I'm saying is cartridge and firearms technology has evolved to the point where you actually can have something that does a lot of things really well.
Take the little 10.5"-12" 6.5 Grendel as an example in the AR-15:
1. Home defense...ideal
2. Hunting deer/hogs...ideal
3. Long range target-shooting out to 800-1100yds depending on conditions...check
4. Compact vehicle PDW...check
5. Youth starter rifle...check
Find me another cartridge/action combo that does all that. If you got your hands on one and shot it in scenarios or field conditions mentioned above, you'd see what I mean.
@@LRRPFco52 , you are right I am a fool after 40 years I have learnt nothing . I am my fifth barrel on a 22/250 . Three guns in 22/250 . Shot 22 Hornets , 22 Magnum a Mossberg 740 T awesome gun for which it was designed . Since then I bought and shot 30-06 , 8x57 Mauser , 7x57 Mauser , 270 , a 243 , 25/06 , 30 M1 carbine & sold it after one shot . I also had a custom 7mm Remington Magnum built on a FN Mauser action . In my gun stable now I have a 1952 Model 1 Bruno 22lr custom , Tikka M55 biathlon rifle on it's second barrel , a Bill Hamley Clark 6mm Ackley Improved , that's barrel is shot out , BTW I make my brass from necking down 7x57 brass to 6mm Remington and fireforming in ! As far as handguns go I think I have a little bit of experience as club captain , shooting all calibres from 22s up to .45 . But then we were only punching paper ! I like your point about home defence , do you honestly think a 6.5 is better ? Basic physics , you think you can defy physics ? Chuck a baseball at the same speed as a pingpong ball . Did that with my cousins 17 Remington back in 1978 . Again there is not one cartridge that can do everything . You are living in a fools paradise !
@@paulsullivan9697 Nobody is calling anyone a fool. I could name all the cartridges I've shot and rifles owned since the 1970s, but none of them can do all the things 6.5 Grendel can.
Is a .264 Win Mag better for hunting big game at 400yds? Yes
Would I ever cook off a .264 Win Mag indoors? Nope.
Is a .22-250 a great varmint rifle for misting critters? Absolutely. Can I shoot it from inside my vehicle in a defensive scenario?
Can I put both a 6.5 Grendel and .22-250 into a predator or varmint-hunting application? 6.5 Grendel has 85gr Sierra HP, 90gr TNT, and 95gr V-MAX options. 90gr TNT Federal factory load is very fast, kills varmints and medium game alike. If I'm set up at night out here where coyotes are like rats, I'm taking the 12" suppressed on a tripod with thermal, not a .22-250 bolt gun.
We have reached a place where there's a firearm/cartridge design that will do most things really well.
what about the 6mm PRC........