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Who is that and why is he speaking?
They are saying what they like and why but not really justifying why theirs is "better" I say that with no investment in 7mm PRC.
280 Rem 3006 brass
.264 Win Mag > Everything 😅
My two favorite cartridges are the 270 win and the 7
Rem mag. I can shot 1/2 MOA with the 7 mag and I don’t have to go buy a new gun. Those two cartridges have never failed me and it is hard to argue with success. One of the top reasons would be that the ammo is cheaper and it is always available.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
7rem mag with a 160 Swift Aframe or Nosler partition
Perfect for North America.!!
Big game hunting
Most 7 Rem mags are exceptional if they get true MOA but to go half MOA in a 7 Rem mag is borderline unicorn status.
@@momanslm6289 I can consistently show this Rem 7 mm 1/2" at a 100 yards. To support this 1/2 MOA, I have tested shooting at my local range and I can shoot 1 1/2" groups at 300 yards. I had to find the right ammo, but I am shooting factor ammo. Rem Core-Lokt Tipped 150 Gr.
Agree. I wanted to buy a weatherby mk v backcountry, but they don't chamber it in 7mm rem mag. Such a disappointment.
I totally agree with you on the 280ai. It’s a perfectly balanced cartridge and shoots great when push to almost max pressure when reloading. I have a re-chambered 7mm-08 Tikka T3x in 280ai and it shoots lights out, doesn’t burn crazy powder, 6 in the Mountain Tac mag and totally manageable recoil…plus best in class BC bullets of 7mm caliber.
I must really be an old bastard, because I still think of the 300RUM as a new cartridge 😏😜
Ha haaa ! I was thinking the same thing !
Well it was just 25 years ago!
6.8 Western for me. If you use the 165 gr ABLR load it comes closer to the 7 PRC than the 175 gr load in your comparison.
With the right loads and 26" barrel my 6.8 is just over 3000 fps with 165gr. hard to argue its capabilities. especially out of a short mag
Totally! If I load it hot as fuck and shoot it out of a 32” barrel I can almost touch the 7prc.
@@RepublicofTX Who cares?
@@gerry6.8 what a stupid question. Obviously you do, since you wrote how an already dead cartridge can almost match a 7prc. Well no shit an already close cartridge can be messed with to almost match or match the performance of that said other cartridge.
@@Lucysdad66no it can’t. You’re either compress or hitting pressure early. 270wsm and 7wsm are not meant to shoot heavies. That’s why they’re dying.
I have used 270 win for everything,one shot kills, very accurate,my go to calibre,even water buffalo in Australia,never failed
What projectiles are you using
Sierra tipped, 175 grain
Nosler
Custom barrel?
The 7 PRC would deliver some extra critical thump on some of the really big Australian game would it not? Sambar, wild bull etc.
Grandpa was a guide in Montana for 50 years and used a 243. His nephews and grandkids used 243. Deer, elk, everything.
Idk if I would put a million dollars on the Elk part love the 243 but Elk is pretty big for for a 103 grain
I remember a bunch of kids like freshman and sophomore year in highschool killed elk with 243s.
I’m sure grandpa knew his stuff, but it’s irresponsible to hunt an elk with .243.
@@BirdstheWord17lol if a bow can do it a 243 can
@@BirdstheWord17I’d argue it’s more irresponsible to hunt with a larger cartridge, which causes flinching in inexperienced shooters, which most hunters are. If you shoot a lot and handle recoil well, by all means use a big 30. Most hunters would be more ethical with a round that recoils less. Shot placement is #1
Could not agree with you more Jim. .280AI is efficient, flat shooting, great bullet selection, moderate recoil, and plenty of energy down range. 7SAUM close second.
A gassedup SAUM can pass the 280 when you get a longer mag I think but you're still using a worse feeding cartridge with 2 less in the mag. I say that as a very happy saum owner. It's such a naturally sweet cartridge, but I hunted on it for 2 years and I just don't have confidence in feeding when my nerves are up in the cold.
But you're right, they punch above their weight. 168-180 class is devastating, and I've been dual loading with some low-friction coppers that are a strike from Zeus himself at 140g. It's still carrying 1800ftlbs/2500fps at 500.
@@jcarry5214now that’s cracken, love the 7 saum, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️
Need more manufacturers getting on board with the 6.8 western
Yes sir!
I dont see it happening
It is a dead cartridge.
Lmao, good luck. Go ahead and write a eulogy for that cartridge.
dead in the water
I like the guy and his 6.8 western. Easy he says.
My 6.8 shoots neck and neck with my buddy’s Havock Element 7PRC, same weight bullets at the same velocity with less powder in a short action cartridge. Keeping in mind that Hornady is inflating their numbers. Nobody is getting 3000 fps from factory ammo.
I have a 7 PRC 24" barrel getting 2870-ish with the factory ELD-X The 6.8Western is a more efficient cartridge just suffers from poor marketing
Marketing Marketing Marketing!!!
It’s about Prophets.
What if 6.8 x 51 or .277 furry becomes cheaper and more popular due to the military buying it, and you can get really good performance out of a 16 or 18 inch barrel because of the 80,000psi, and can load high BC bullets. The M7 has a 13 inch barrel. Of course those are as rare as hens teeth, but military ammo often becomes popular. Obviously, if the military doesn't proceed with it, then I take it all back.
270 wsm, nosler. 3100fps.
Hornady changed their gunpowder to less quality recently but the numbers are there if you use Federals 7mm PRC
My pick is 300 Weatherby with a 200 gr Accubond at 3100 FPS. Now if I hunted with match bullets... which I don't.
I would use a recent load I found. 225 gr ELD-M out of my 300 WBY at 3100 FPS with Ramshot LRT. That load smokes the 7mm PRC... and that is an understatement.
@matthewkramer6543 I have a video of getting 3113 FPS with a 225 ELD-M with Ramshot LRT. Go check it out! It's on my channel. N570 doesn't get you very fast velocity. As I said... I'm using the 200 gr Accubond for hunting. Even my Accubond load beats the 7mm PRC to 1000 yards. And that is with the extremely over inflated box velocity of 3000 FPS with the 7mm PRC. It would look much worse if we actually used real velocities achieved with factory ammo
I've seen the video of the drag race and know that barrel length and powder used are key to good velocity. And that reloadingweatherby knows what he is talking abot
300 rum ftw!
180 grain for me!! Bull elk, mule deer.
Well I was adding a rifle to my gun safe and I was thinking 7PRC but opted for 7mm REM Mag because I didn’t see a huge difference between them. I’ve shot moose and deer with my 7mm. I ended up getting Sako Precision in 7mm, a Sako Hunter in .308 and a Tikka T3X in 7mm-08 with an MDT HNT26 carbon fibre stock. I wouldn’t hesitate to use any of these rifles here in Northern Ontario. Great show Jim!
280ai if you stay 150 grains or lighter, 7prc if you like to go heavier. I prefer relatively light for caliber mono's so I love my 7lb 280ai. With some of the new high bc mono's I can send a 140-150mono between 3000-3175 fps and still have a bc over .55. Simply no need for more than the 280ai using these bullets. Of course I hand load so that factors in as well.
Heck yeah. Out of curiosity, what monos are you using? Have used CX/GMX and Barnes, but heard great things about hammer, badlands, etc
Have used LRX, CX and E-tip...with game harvested with each. I have a box of Bad lands bulldozer 2's on the bench right now for a work up. Will also work up the 151 Cayuga from Patriot Valley Arms when I have a chance. I have been pretty happy with the LRX but the 140 BD2 has a BC of .56 so I am stoked for the weather to change so I can play with it. At 3100 it will carry 1500 ft/lbs to 600 yards which may mean no more packing the 300 win mag which is a full 1.5 lbs heavier than my Ackley.
@@TimothyPreston-ei7bo Great, thanks! Shooting 7RM now, but will rebarrel to 18" 7SAUM (like 80% of the guys out west these days...) after. FYI have seen very credible reports of guys doing 3200-3300 fps in 22" 280AI with the Hammer Absolute series. True game changer of a bullet since they don't engrave Ogive. Still not great BCs, but like you I won't shoot past 600 anyway, so 200-300+ "free" fps gets you there just fine. Between the Badlands and that one for me
I worked up the BD2 this week, it was a super easy bullet to work with, landed at 3149 running Ramshot Hunter, over LRM primer and Nosler brass. Shot a 2 shot .2 moa, waited 24 hours and shot 2 more shots on a cold barrel at the same target and ended up with a 4 shot .62. For hunting guns I only care about cold barrel accuracy so I shoot 2 shot strings. Similar temps both days and es was a stellar 6fps. Can't wait to stretch it out and verify drops!
I get 2923 fps with 175g ELDX out of my 280ai. Plenty for just about anything in North America aside from grizz. Even grizz with the right bullet.
The other thing that wasn't mentioned is the 7 PRC 175 gr load gets 2850 fps on average not even close to the 3000 fps Hornady claims. The Federal load is supposed to be better for speed.
I’m getting right at 3,000 fps out of my 24” barrel with the Hornady load. I’m also running a 8” suppressor on it too though. Idk if that helps or not, some people say it does, others say it doesn’t.
@@ryanglass3570if you’ve purchased a hunting license. You’re already likely on a list. No reason to miss out on the benefits and joys of owning suppressors.
GREAT point about the cost of recoil on budget rifles. You can only tighten action screws so much. A creedmoor can tax a cheap gun, triple that recoil and you could have problems. One nice about the 7mm family is they are so efficient that the return on magnums is not super high. All other things relatively equal, until you go past 168g the saum/280 is just a rem mag with a 30-50 yard tax, and the 7-08 is just another 70 or so iirc. If you're using holdovers with light pills or shooting 175+g, yes the calculus changes, that's where PRC takes its seat.
Also, recoil is not a contest. I'm a grownup man and I'm secure enough to say the 30-06 class is my limit for all-range, all-stance accuracy in a hunting situation. I'm not going to hunt with a strong brake, so until I can afford a can I'm staying sub-magnum.
6.8 Western!!!!!! Yes!!!!!
I've got 36 rifles and the max long range 6.8 western is by FAR my most accurate. It's a true 3/8 MOA with the ballistic silvertips. Maybe I got a freaky well manufactured rifle, but it outperforms all my other rifles.
Very cool you said 280AI. I have 2 and just started load testing this past weekend in one of them with 168 Berger VLDs, H4831SC powder, fireformed Norma 280 Rem brass and Fed 210M primers. So far looking fantastic. I'm also a new owner to a Tikka 708. I have a Tikka 7PRC and 3 custom 7PRCs. Had 5 total. Sold one.
Tikka 7PRC?
@@timjude Yes, Tikka T3x 7PRC
@derekmcmurry thanks. It's custom made I assume.
@@timjude Yes. Tikka does not chamber rifles in 7PRC, yet anyway. I bought a new Tikka T3x Lite stainless 300WM on sale. Then purchased a prefit Proof 24" 7PRC barrel, a Stocky's stock at year end clearance, a lighter trigger spring. Stocky's told me I should shoot the completed rifle first and if it shoots well, likely don't have to bed it. Only work needed by a rifle builder initially was to remove factory barrel and spin on the Proof. If I had a barrel vice I could have switched barrels. Shoots as well as any other rifle I've had built but I did end up paying $150 to get it bedded to see if it would improve at all and I cannot tell any difference.
@derekmcmurry thank you for that fantastic info. I might do similar.
Are you happy with the 7PRC paired to the Tikka action?
Watching guntube, every white tail hunter probably thinks u need a 300 prc/rum for hunting here in Idaho. It's nice, real nice. But your 308 is just fine in most cases.
The first guys rifle is not legal in ID where 14lbs is as heavy as a rifle can be.
@@josephpeterson7109 was that limit placed by the pack mule lobby?
Why is the weight of the rifle even a consideration? I can see some MINIMUM diameter and muzzle energy restrictions, but not the weight of the tool.
I live here in Idaho it is a ridiculous rule probably set back in the 1950s to prevent people from using Artillery or tanks to kill game.
a 243 for most situations and creeds. 270 too and 7 rem mag overkill for whitetails.
@@keithprinn720depends on the range, but yes at the ranges most of us are killing whitetails in the woods a good sharp stick is adequate. I like the 270 for open fields, not because the 243 won’t work I just like the extra penetration in case the shot isn’t a perfect broadside at longer ranges. Before someone comes in with the “but over penetration”, it’s not an issue if you have to worry about the bullet hitting what’s behind the deer you shouldn’t be pulling that trigger regardless of what cartridge your using. That’s a benefit of stand hunting, at an elevated position the earth is your backstop.
Where's the 7 mm Remington mag? Same ballistics with reloads. way more ammo available, way more guns chambered, cheaper to shoot, flatter shooting long range compared to 300 win. Proven long term staying power. How is this not on the list? 🤔
Belted cartridges are history grandpa!
@@gesheepistemology8050 Interesting response. Ok, defend... What is so detrimental in a belted magnum that we should get rid of them? I've only been reloading for around 40 years now from the .223 up to the 300RUM and I've never had a problem with belted rounds. I have no preference either way. I have no more issues loading for my 7mm Rem Mag than I do for my 300 Rum or my .308 or 6.5 Creed. If you're going to bring up accuracy, my 20 year old A-bolt II gives me 4-1/2" to 6" groups at 600 yards with either my hand loaded 160 Accubonds (3100 fps) or factory 139 Barnes LRX (3280 fps). That's a $500 blued barrel with plastic stock, not a $1,200 semi-custom rig.
@@jeffreykcarlin518 Not get rid of Grandpa... buying new guns, new buyers, people considering buying a new caliber... I cannot see how you would choose one belted cartridge when straight wall ones, new ones, all outperform and do not have reloading issues... I can hear you now... "in my N1 experience, I have never had a case stick in a die, I have never had separation at the belt"... but 2 minutes on the internet I can find many instances and that reputation. Not saying they aren't great cartridges and have done the job intended for 100 years, they are legendary.... but let's not get all sentimental here.... it is a cold hard comparison w/o the nostalgia. If you had to buy a new 300, would you choose 300PRC or 300WM? 300WM or 300WSM? 7PRC or 7RM? I get it... when you hunt and shoot 5 rounds a year out of a gun.... who gives a fuck... but play with me here.... if you want to shoot normally, a few range trips for fun. load development, practice and a few hunts a year.... or target shooting because you like it... low level comp, more serious comp? I do not see one belted cartridge at any match.... NONE!!!!!!!!
@@gesheepistemology8050
wow you really drank the koolaid.
it's awful funny you're shooting a magnum capacity that's going to stress the brass to the max. is it going to be lucky Max loaded shots out of that rig. no different than a 7 rem mag. I've been shooting 7rm for probably longer than you have hunted. let me give you a piece of advice all these new cartridges are coming out are just more of the same old same old. they're designed to separate a fool from his money. I guarantee you a high-quality 7 mm rem mag will the one and eight twist barrel which I own one, is just as capable as the prc. just like a man that has a 260 Remington or a 6.5 x 55 s. does not need a 6.5 creedmoor.
actually I'm a big fan of the 7 mm 08 and think its more capable than 90% of hunters.
today our community is full of armchair hunters computer nerds in book readers. very few get out there and know how to hunt anymore , much less can shoot a magnum accurately. but Hornady on market some bull s+++ and tell them they're the next thousand yard hunters
Those boys like cartridge specialization! 7mm-08 is actually great for most North American hunting, but honestly it’s not in the same class as all those magnums/PRCs mentioned. This video highlights guys that went as far to the magnum side as possible 😂
"Long range" is current in style, so everybody is looking at drop at 800 yards and comparing cartridges, whilst the average hunter is still popping critters inside of 200 yards.
308 - recoil, cost, availability, heavy bullets leave great holes.
7mm-08 - much of the same.
7Mag - will do 9/10ths of what a 7PRC will do, but cheaper with less recoil, and most shooters aren't in that final tenth.
300WM - cost, availability, big hole. Handloading potential is unbelievable and no mysteries.
7x64... Designed in 1917 😂
@@mysterioanonymous3206yes magnum length. And min for dangerous African hunts. Tuns of proven military experience.
Pretty much my rifle battery.
My pick is the 280 Remington. With a handloaded 150 grain ELD X I'm getting 2930 fps.
280 AI! you are so right. just wish it was as popular as the 30-06 or 270 for ammo availability
All you need is become a reloader. 30-06 Brass everywhere, new and once fired. I got an old 1917 US Enfield I want to re-Barrel to 35 Whelen. And want a 7MM for Grandson. My old Brass perfect for 280AI👍Reloading is very affordable. If you keep it simple. You can always shoot 280/7mm Rem Express in it if available, in the 280AI
Best thing about having so many cartridge option is that it gives you an excuse to buy another gun! Now I need to get a 7 prc and a 280 AI…and a 6.8 western and my wife’s going to kill me 😂
You definitely need 280AI
Which caliber is she going to use?
right on 280AI
I agree, 280 ai is really the only one that you could say is better overall. Its a close match between those 2.
I ve shot 25 plus elk with a 300 Ultra mag..I bought a Fierce carbon 7mmPRC last year...sold my 300...im 72 and it was time to get rid of a 12 lb gun vs 8 lb and shooting the best groups ive ever shot at long range...
Shot placement and bullet selection most important !! Shoot what you shoot BEST !
Sick & tired of ppl commenting this. We know, fool. Nobody said any of these other calibers override shot placement, & saying "whatever you do best with" is a great way to shut down what would otherwise be a productive discussion on pros & cons of each.
6.5 PRC. I don’t hunt elk anymore. I had a vision that I needed one with my Biden bucks a couple years ago, for my NV antelope hunt that I hadn’t drawn yet. I went to the store and they had just gotten in a Seekins Havak which I was looking for. I picked it up and never put it down. Oh and I drew my tag and got a 80” pronghorn at 575 yds. It was meant to be. But I love the 270, 280, and 7mm rem mag. I like the 6.8 guy. Smaller figured fella. I’m gonna steal that.
I considered buying a 7PRC, but in comparing it with my 280 AI…what do I gain? I don’t shoot 1000 yards, and don’t plan to. It’s a hunting rifle, and I gain nothing by getting a 7PRC…other than adding another to the safe. I’d still take the 280 AI 5:48 into the field for everything, including my bucket list moose.
As a long time shooter of the 7mm RM, it's a personal favorite, has never let me down. I now also have a 7mm PRC and it's simply an improved version of the RM (no belt, better shoulder, appropriate neck). I think the 7 PRC is the best of the 30-06, 7mm RM and 300 WM all combined. If the 30-06 has killed all big game in NA (it has, I have the book), the 7 PRC will do it just a little bit better. With the higher BC bullets (same weight), the 7 PRC out performs the 300 WM when distance increased.
I don't get hung up on "anything new is better" but if the cartridge has a belt, it's antiquated and outdated. I have other chamberings including 270W, 30-06, 7mm RM, 308 (2) AND 6.5 CM but the 7 PRC can do anything they can do and better. I like simplicity and 7 PRC rules the day! I'm not hung up on short actions, the 6.8W and 270 WSM are on life support.
Looooove 6.8 Western! The 175 Sierra GK's are 👌👌👌.
280 rem does everything that I need.
Wish they were more produced.
*if you finde ammo
Yes -- the 280 Remington is slightly better than a 270 Win, which is saying something.
I built my dream rifle for elk with a .280 Remington cartridge.
I agree with the guy that chose 300 Win Mag. It’s just so much more practical than a 7PRC. I’ve just never been a fan of the big 7mm Mags (28 Nosler, 7 STW, and now 7 PRC). To me, once you’re dealing with that level of recoil you might as well be running a bigger bore diameter.
I think the 280 and 7mm RM are just about right. Anything more and I simply prefer a 300 WM. I don’t believe in taking shots past 600 yards. The 7 PRC is a very specialized tool specifically for very long range hunting.
I think something like the 300 Win Mag has a more practical application. For example with high bc loadings in the 190-200 gr range at a pretty healthy velocity the 300 WM really gets out there and bucks the wind good and can handily take down large game. At closer ranges it’s quite a thumper with something like a 220 gr Partition for big bears. I just think running a 7mm bore with that level of recoil is just silly.
The 300 WM is solid but the 7 PRC will out perform it at distance with higher BC bullets and less recoil.
Have you ran a 7 prc? Mine is surprisingly tame with a muzzle brake.
@@mmorris6341 yes, I have one, 22" Proof carbon but mine is suppressed, brakes give me headaches.
As a guy who is just now looking into getting a mag cartridge who reloads. This video basically sold me on the 7 prc this basically seems like the best all around cartridge that I can keep ammo costs quite a bit lower due to reloading.
Hi Jim, love your channel. You do great work. I’m a retired guide. My clients have used everything from 243s to 458. The best kills were 270s….. 30-06……7rem mags. Better bullet placement. Quick shots ,probably because they practised a lot? My opinion for the best all around cartridge would be a 6.8 western. I retired before they came out so I don’t really know for sure but the ballistics are good,… so that’s what I say.
Another great video Jim. I have a 7 Rem Mag and don't feel the need to change but a buddy of mine is looking at buying the 7mm PRC. It made me curious about the differences and since you always have a lot of good info, I searched your channel. It seems that the biggest advantages might be for the extreme long range crowd shooting heavier than 160 gr and definitely for non-reloaders. I reload for 3 different 7 mags, 1 Savage, 1 Ruger and my own A-bolt. With 160 Nosler accubonds and Reloader 25, I routinely get right at 3100 fps out of my old A-Bolt and sub-MOA at 600 yds. My Savage buddy likes the 139 Interlocks, slightly reduced to save his shoulder and my dad's Ruger loves the 150 Nosler BT's maxed out with IMR 4350. It'll be interesting to see how the 7 PRC shakes out when more reloading date is available. I hope my buddy buys one so I can play with it a bit.
.270, flat shooting, low recoil, ammo absolutely everywhere, does anything you need
The 270 Winchester. Its actually a true 7mm, with its out side diameter. With the powder charge of a 30 06. The 270 Winchester just works. And works very well.
Worked on my Oregon antelope 2 years ago at 350 yards. Love my 270.
That’s a myth and inaccurate. The .277 bore diameter is not 7mm. In fact the .276 Pederson which was prior to that implied that Winchester knew it wasn’t a 7mm because they would have been .002-.003” off.
The cartridge was designed with the bore of .270” in mind first and the bullet diameter of .277” after.
Don’t lump the .270 in with the metric Eurotrash. It’s just not true.
Isn’t 270 Win a .277 diameter projectile and 7mm PRC .284?
I believe you are describing the .280 Remington.
@@hunterjohnson5635 .277 = 7mm, it's simply math!
The 280 AI is the best balanced cartridge in comparison to the 28 Nosler down to the 7mm-08.
😂 Yeah I mean here where I am in Europe we've been using the 7x64 forever...
It's literally a better 280rem, almost 7remmag/280ai level for hand loaders, with less kick. Designed in 1917.
Also, may I remind everyone of the 7x57 Mauser (7mm08).
You and the first guy proved why my 7 rum is my favorite. Right between the 7 prc and 300 rum. Perfect
Really appreciate that many of these shooters have outgrown the hype surrounding new ultra long range cartridges for hunting--anything beyond a 7x57 or 7mm08 is really unnecessary for hunting to 400 yards. Same with the .308-30'06 class. Go ahead, buy more magnum rifles and switch to high bc bullets. But 100 year old cartridges do just fine taking game.
beautiful round
I agree. The majority of hunters have no business taking 500 yard shots. The history of cartridges is littered with "hot new, revolutionary cartridges" but the ones that work endure for a reason. The 270, 308, 06, 7-08, 7x57, 30-30, 243, 6.5 swede. I think in most cases, the industry is reinventing the wheel. If a cartridge is that great, they would have already made it years ago.
Nothing wrong with a 7-08, especially if you handload. I’m getting the 162’s up to 2815 for my accuracy load, and 2878 for the max load. I know factory 150’s are pretty slow, but my theory is that’s on purpose. They don’t want to distract from other cartridges like the 270…
It works!
What barrel length do you have?
I’m pretty sure mine is 22”
I'm with the guy that went with the 6.5PRC, as a big 270win fan myself... my dad's very accurate 270 rifle got passed down to my son. So I wanted something in a modern design with similar ballistics... and the 6.5 PRC drew my attention.
What bullet grain for 270? My 270 accuracy goes to shit past 300 yards
.270 win. Available ammo & firearms, flat shooting, less recoil, hard hitting, gets it done. 7 PRC beats it on fp energy at extreme longer ranges. Depends what youre looking for. For me good shot placement is easier to achieve with the lower recoil.
I agree with all except for one. I'll choose the 270WSM over the 6.8 Western..but that is just my personal opinion.
Went back and forth for so long, finally settled on a T3x Veil in 7 mag. First shots today, I'm in love. 150 Barnes TTSX shoot extremely well from it. Tried and true caliber with not as much bite as I'd have imagined, especially with a lighter rifle.
Don't give away the 280ai secret....162ELDX with a 0.631 G1 @ 2,900fps from a light weight Kimber Montana is a killing machine; or 150 TTSX @ 3,000fps if you want a mono; plenty of horsepower without excessive recoil
6.8 Western, in an ideal world. In the present state of affairs, the answers are: 308, 6.5 c.m., 7 rm, 300wm Ammo price and availability are top concerns for most of us. Next is firearm availability.
I have the 6.8 Western. It’s an amazing cartridge. Very accurate, and it hits hard. It truly is a perfect hunting cartridge.
I have ordered my ammo through Choice Ammunition and Pendleton Ammunition. Both are excellent quality and are hand loaded for best results. Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, Sierra, and Berger projectiles are loaded between these two ammo companies. Nosler, Berger, Sierra, and Barnes are true High BC, heavy for caliber .277 caliber bullets for the 6.8 Western. The Nosler is the ELD-X 150 grain that I’m sure was for the 270 WSM offering. I’ve had good results with the ELD-X out of my 6.5 PRC, but I’ve never used them in the 6.8 Western. Booster refuses to support anything that involves the 6.8 Western. Competition I’m guessing.
As a handloader i loooooooove my 7 saum
As you should 👍it’s a terrific cartridge.
I would pick 308 win , ask Randy Newberg why
I like the plain old 280 Remington. Very interesting video.
7x64.... Designed 1917. Does all that and then some. Very common here where I am in Europe.
I always rely on my good ol' .308 Winchester. But if I had to pick something else, I'd definitely go with 300 Win Mag. Tried, true, reliable!
I'd drink a beer with the 7mm-08 guy.
The gun does the job every time... I love it!
I'm currently working on a deal with a guy who wants to sell me his 7-08 so he can buy a 7PRC. I think I win. I'll also keep my 300 wm for elk. I don't know why people think moose die hard. They're much easier to kill than elk
7 mm08 for most practical hunting If 350 yard plus is the game I like my 6.5 x06 130/140 s matches 6.5 prc. Iam on my 4 th barrel 30 years 90 grain to 160. Elk black bears lots of deer. I built it for couse deer hunting and pronghorn in New Mexico 400 pretty typical 120 s 130 s did most the work there
My 7 mm08 built I did in 1:10 it likes 120 s a full load of varget and 120 Barnes ttsx hammers elk 325 been my longest 130 accubonds work also
Both rifles shoot .385 on average at 100. 4.86 at 1000 yards 6.5 x06 hands down w out shoot any .270 I’ve had 2 built 1
I believe that 6.8 western is a good idea and its accurate as well. Wow
I wish 6.8 western had more loadings available
Yes very limited for factory stuff, could be a hand loaders dream....if you could find brass!
I think 6.8 western has so much potential if some of these bigger companies would get on board with it Hornady - nosler ect.
Sadly I've been having to buy that copper extreme stuff and just unloading it and reloading with quality BC bullets.
@@kevinbouldin3107been there done that. I’ve got 100 of those just sitting in a box on my shelf after pulling them.
Worked up a load with the reclaimed powder that push the 175s just a bit faster than the factory 175 loads.
@@kevinbouldin3107how many firing are you getting from your brass?
300 RUM. All day. Now mine is more target. 33” barrel 25lbs but pushed the 245 at 3150 fps and that’s 3,700lbs of energy at 500 yards
30-378 Weatherby backcountry 2.0 carbon..7.9 lbs scoped. 220gr eld-x 3100fps. I’m with Brady no replacement for displacement. I hunt very windy wide open country and shots are rarely under 300 yards. Lack of cover. It also covers me for Grizzly protection in case of that event.
30-06 . Some don’t want to admit it . But 110g to 220g . What’s not to like ?😁. The wsm series were all the hype awhile back. The new cartridges will be the same.
30-06 is still great!
Damn right, most of these PRC cartridges will go away in 10 years. Took me 3 months to find 270 WSM. Ammo and I took what is probably the last big stock of 338 RCM brass off the hands of Gunwerks.
I agree, I can remember all of those WSM and WSSM cartridges being the cat's meow, now you don't hear of them. Is there something wrong with the old reliable cases like .270, 30-06 and a 7mm RemMag?
@Intimidator82 It’s such a silly way to phrase it asking “is there something wrong with the old cartridges”, why does there have to be something wrong with something to want to make small improvements to it? Do you say that about other things? “They made a new 2024 Chevy Silverado with new features, geez wtf was wrong with the previous years truck?”
Yes, I use 30-06, federal 130s varmint round opens them up real good at 200. I know a old gal who shot a 220lb whitetail @ almost 500 yds, with a old browning 30-06, many years ago 40 plus,,,😅also my stepfather always got his deer w/06 200yds with accelerators, wish we could still get those think they were 22 cal? maybe 24 cal..
308 is the ultimate common man hunting ammo. If you need anything else, you either have too small of a target (308 being overkill) or too far of a target (you BETTER ensure that kill is ethical, bro).
It is in fact too overkill for my need, which is why I stick with 22 WMR and 410 combo. But there was a time where we really, really need the 308 and had to call a hunter from a neighboring city.
If you have 7RM that shoots well you don’t need a 7 PRC.
Agreed, but going forward if you had to buy one which would you? I would probably go with 7 PRC
Not unless availability goes up. I think it would take some time for the 7 PRC to be as available as the 7 Remington Magnum.
If you handload and want to use heavier, longer, higher BC bullets without powder compression and case neck donutting then you want the 7mm PRC
@@lanceroberthough1275 Well I’m fairly happy with the 175 Nosler ABLR and their BC. I just don’t see that much more improvement. But if you don’t have a 7RM and you don’t have a budget, hey go for it!
I think this is what most people are missing. They look at exit velocity and groups at a 100 or 200 yds. They’re boomers or fudds and don’t understand how the heavier better bc bullets are better. I have a good shooting 243 but 1:10 holds it back. Can I justify buying a 6 creed just to go up weight? Up to each person. If shooting at 300 yards is your goal, buy the old crap you can’t shoot the new bullets out of.
I’m a fan of the 300 prc when you suppress it, otherwise I’m going to pick the 6.5 creedmoor. I’m able to find it in every store I go to
I am surprised nobody picked the venerable 7mm Rem Mag.
That's my choice. 2nd is 300 win.
Yep. As much as I don’t like the belt, PRC isn’t offering anything the rem isn’t when seeing true numbers bs hornady typical inflated bs.
Would love to move to a non belted 7mm mag, PRC just isn’t it.
@alphasheepdog9683 Why not? If it does everything a 7mm Remington does (and some things slightly better) in a non belted case, then what's the problem?
@@alphasheepdog96837 WSM
@@alphasheepdog9683handloading 7prc is magic.
When I needed to re-barrel my remington long action I researched, and researched, and researched cartridges. This was back in 2014'ish.......I settled on 280 ackley and don't regret my choice at all. I don't recall my numbers off the top of my head but I'm pushing the Hornady 162 eldx bullets in the 2800 fps range, IIRC.
280AI or 7mm Mag can pretty much do everything. I don’t see the need for it. I don’t know why the 280AI doesn’t rule the world.
Started out with the 7 REM mag then went to the 7STW then 7ultta mag. Now for the last 15 it’s been the 7WSM and it’s perfect for me as a reloader with a bad neck lol but nothing complains after getting hit with 140 vld or partition’s.
28 Nosler, 1 in 8 twist, 26" barrel, Browning Hells Canyon Max Range with a 175 grain ELDX: Better than everything!!!
I am surprised no one took the 7mm Rem Mag.
30.06 & 300 Win mag. Because you can buy ammo at the hardware store and drop everything North America has to offer.
I shoot a 300 prc. 208gr hybrid target Berger at 3125fps. I’m getting 18.53” of drop at 400 yards. Loaded pretty high over max with retumbo but no signs of pressure. Shot a whitetail buck at 430 yards this past year and it preformed excellent. Other than 300 prc the 6.5 prc is my favorite for whitetail
6.5 PRC for me all day long. Less kick "which means more consistent/repeatable/accurate shooting, and that's what it's all about in the first place when hunting game", and the same lethality as the heavier loads up to 500 yards "which most hunters never shoot at in the first place, more like 100 or less, and on those rare occasions 200-300 yards with sticks or some other type of rest.
By the way, I have been happily shooting a 308 for thirty years. If I was to get another rifle it would be in the 6.5 PRC load.
The GOHUNT guys are absolutely amazing! Keep up the great videos!
280 AI might be one of the most perfect cartridges ever for power, range, efficiency, aesthetics, ease of reloading, compatibility, you name it. I'll never forget putting a lady co-worker behind one in a McRee chassis after I got the wind figured and she rang a 10" gong at 925 yards - first shot. First time shooting a rifle. Shouldn't have sold that one.
7 rem mag is my favorite
Std action: 6.5 PRC, 6.8 Western. Long action: 280AI.
Awesome video.👍👍
I like your pic of the 280 AI But my pic is the 7mm rem mag
Just because I’ve had it for just over 40 years now
I’ve harvested every animal I squeezed the trigger at. Moose Elk Deer.
It just preforms !!!
And and a larger ammunition selection and availability.
Every little mom and pop sporting goods store has some.👍
And every gun manufacturer chambers for it.
If I was going to setup a new long range target gun
It would be a toss up between the 7PRC and the 7Saum.
Cheers
same.
my dad bought a parker-hale 7mm rem mag on july 7, 1967, the day i was born. it became mine when i was old enough to shoot. every big game animal that i have shot, in all these years, has been with that gun.
If it isn’t broke don’t fix it.👍
@@lz3572 amen.
7 Mag all day long ! Surprised this one was not one of the choices !
Calm down, grandpa
I'm with you Doug. Had my Rem Mag rebarreled for the heavy bullets, and I'm 100 fps ahead of the PRC. Having said that, it is hard to argue with a 140-170 grain bullet with a high BC cruising at speed in a conventional Rem Mag. Love it!
Let the haters hate.
So many people have jumped on the bandwagon about the belted magnums.
How they are obsolete and not needed.
Maybe some truth in that.
But you can’t argue the fact that they still work well.
Cheers
I agree with the 280 Ackley Improved is one of the best cartridges ever developed, great choice‼️
280 ai was the other caliber on my top 3 list with these 2 but I'm getting the bergara hmr wilderness or the tikka super varmint and neither rifle is chambered for the 280ai so it leaves me with 6.5 prc or 7prc, would love some input. I've done all the research possible and keep switching back and forth between the 2.
@@BAZmma Check out the Weatherby 307 rifle chambered in 280AI and I think that you'll be delighted‼️If you are set on one of the other two rifles I would get the Bergara in 7mm PRC.
In East Texas my 308 is perfect. I also love my 270, but my wife confiscated that for her own use. For my comfort in more open areas, i love the 300wm.
28 Nos and I LOVE IT. I can handle the short barrel life but $4 a round, Ouch !
7mm PRC 175 grain bullet in a 26 inch barrel will do 2980 fps. max./ a 7mm Rem. Mag. holds 4 grains more powder, than the PRC so, with the same bullets the 7mm Rem. Mag. will out perform the PRC. As for the 300 RUM I get 2920 fps. out of Hornady 250 grain target bullets. Going to get way more fps. out of a 220 grain.
300 Win Mag is my main go to. Drops all big game available where I am and with a brake on it, it’s controllable. But if I’m going on a deer hunt with friends who are using my rifle, I use 6.5 creedmoor.
.300 PRC for me…. Love the round, factory muzzle brake on my Fierce CT Rouge virtually eliminates recoil. Just got back from Africa where o took plains game to over 2000 pounds. Zero issues. No big holes at all. Perfect cartridge.
I love my 300 rum with a 200 grain Accubond
IMO the best cartridge is one that's available and you can find hand loading components for.
Hornady uses Large rifle magnum primers that they manufacture in house for the 7MM PRC. Unfortunately for most hand loaders at the moment due to component availability they will not be able to reload these cartridges and be limited to the Hornady ELD-X or CX factory box ammo.
I'm loading a 6.5 Creedmoor for deer and smaller because I found Lapua 6.5 brass that uses small rifle primers which are available. If I go for Elk or larger I bring the 300 PRC - which also requires large rifle primers- but I limit that one to only when its required for the size of the game because of the fact it takes double the powder and those unobtanium large rifle magnum primers.
I did a fair amount of research, comparing various cartridges. The 7mm PRC really seems like the “Goldilocks” of all of Hornady’s recent creations. I am planning out an ultimate bolt action build and was sold on 7mm PRC… until I realized it needs Large Rifle MAGNUM Primers. BHO taught me to lay in a long-term supply of key components, but I never had a need for LRM primers. I don’t have any and can’t find any.
@@chipsterb4946 I wouldn't hold your breath for them either - We put in an order for them over 2 years ago and when it finally arrived we got a full 3 boxes - a small fraction of the order we placed. I'm sure you can understand that all 3 went to staff and never saw the sales floor.
@@ThePleasedDoge thanks - that confirms my concerns.
Hornady does not make primers. I have two boxes of 7PRC Match ammo with two different primers. One is a silver primer (CCI) and the other is brass (Federal/Remington/Winchester).
@samwindisch5596 when you look at the explosion they had recently it was reported to have originated in the primer manufacturing division of the building.. that said I'm sure it's possible they use other manufacturers as well - or that different batches or factories crank out primers of a different color. I have also seen both colors from hornady box ammo.
I am building a 280 AI myself right now but I do agree about the 300 rum it does anchor elk well I did have to get a muzzle break on it because it is brutal otherwise but I never had to shoot a elk more than once they just go down
I’d buy into 6.8. I just can’t find it anywhere. Ranges, academy, bass pro, Cabela’s, gun shops. I find 6.5CM/PRC, 7prc, 300PRC, 7mm-08 everywhere. I don’t ever see 6.8 or 28nos/AI ANYWHERE. I’d love to try either but they’re not reasonably available to me. Went with 7PRC and love it. It’ll do the job from any range and any game.
I also like 7mm-08 and 308. Loved 270s and 7rem mags. Used them all with great success and wanted to buy into newer designs and am very happy with my 7PRC. I understand with new cartridges, barrel burn is more common, but at the end of the day, I’m tagging out 6 deer a year, took 3 groups of 3 to zero after bore sighting, and every year a group of 3 to confirm zero. I’ll have that gun for nearly 166 years before needing to replace a barrel (given the barrel burns @ 3,000 rounds) that’s not even considering that you can use a worn barrel for hunting for practically ever as it really only affects target shooters.
If I’m target shooting, I’ll go with a 270, 3006, 308, or 7-08.
So it looks like the 300wm was the best option out of all of those?
With the proliferation of threaded barrels making installing brakes quick and easy, the recoil question is almost irrelevant, in my opinion. You can buy a Savage 110 with a threaded barrel in 7mm PRC for under $500 after the factory rebate.
I put a $26 eBay Special brake on my A2 stocked AR-10 the other day and turned it from not all that pleasant to shoot into something you can shoot all day in comfort. It's a brave new world.
I will have a 7 PRC someday :) Thanks Jim
Get 6.5 my dude. They inflated the 7PRC numbers to disuade ppl from 6.8 western. 6.5PRC has been around for longer than both, can use 6.5 projectiles which are plentiful bc an unfortunate amount of ppl jumped on the creedmoor train, still fits in a short action, factory ammo is cheaper, etc.
@@1nfamyX I want one of those, also!
Wow no 7mm Rem Mag! All were good choices cant go wrong with any
I would never get a 7PRC on account of recoil, ammo price and availability, specially here in Canada, I have everything I need in my 300WM with a muzzle break and trusty old 270 for back up, tks for the video Jim
My 7prc with a break kicks half of what my 270wsm does and the ammo is almost half the price at $50 box for eldx. The 270 is a good back up tho lol My prc groups under a moa at 200 yards.
@@sapperROSS why not put a brake on your 270 WSM?
Canadian owning guns…. *laughs in second amendment*
@williamgaines9784 7prc is a better round and I wanted a new rifle
@@sapperROSS was not suggesting you not have the new rifle and cartridge, just asking why you wouldn't modify your now "backup" to get that same shoulder softness.
For me, it is 300 PRC. The 7 PRC is a close second place. Fun video Jim! Thx!!!
I think to be fair you have to take 100 ft./s off of that seven PRC because nobody is getting 3000 FPS from their seven PRC. My friend and his Seekins HAVOC 22 inch is getting 2820 FPS with his seven PRC, which seems to be pretty consistent from what I’ve heard from other shooters.
Brady's 300 RUM is no joke. Sweet round. I like my 28 Nosler. No 7 PRC here!
Im also a larger individual. .( 6'4") The 300PRC doesn't bother me as much. And extra weight of the rifle doesn't matter all that much. Think about size and weight relatively 😂
Get what works for YOU not what works for MOST..
Another thing for rounds that have been out for a long time like the 300 win is that all the research and development has been done almost 20 years ago and it is just improving on the top of the top. But yea being able to find ammo on any shelf is also nice.
Gun-tubers are always digging for likes pushing the "New Hotness"... Anyone remember ".30 Carry"??? lol. Some efficient and very effective cartridges have been around for 7 or 8 decades and will easily put meat in the pot. A few are still here after over 100 years (.30-06 118 years, .30-30 129 years, 6.5x55 Swedish [The Original 6.5] 130 years , .45-70 is 151 years old) and you're not going to be able to tell me they don't kill game well.
Bowhunters still regularly drop big game with energy levels below 100 ft.lbs
Magnumitis and "appendage" measuring fuel a lot of the need for field artillery to hunt, as well as the relatively new desire to shoot game at the absolute furthest distance away, instead of Hunting your quarry by getting close. I don't even think you need camo if you're going to Snipe an animal from 7 or 800 yards with a 7mm or 30 cal long-range anti-personnel cartridge.
I hunt with a 7x57 Ruger No.1 (bush), a .30-06 SAKO bolt-gun, (open and hilly terrain), a lever .45-70 (Black Bear, )and for the bigger baddie bears or biggest moose, a 9.3x62 Ruger No.1...
My F-Class World Championship Medal winning rifle is a 7mm Rem Mag, 28 inch Lilja pushing 180 Berger VLD out at just under 3000fps with a solid load of H-1000 and I knew it was a good idea 20 years ago....
I have a 300 Win No.1 for an upcoming Mountain Dall/Goat/ Bighorn hunt that will do absolutely fine.
New shiny stuff is nice, but it's mostly just reinventing the wheel, or adding more zippy whiz-bang to make up for lesser wind-reading and ranging skills...
@@scottcrawford3745 indeed do a lot of bow hunting but have relied on a 300 win for our west hunting and when we’re in Montana had a fella tell me that 300 win is out of date and that 300 prc is so much more with the times. I asked him how many rounds he had on his person. He said 8 and that he was waiting on more bullets so he could make more. I said well that gas station just sold me 40 rounds so best of luck. Now obviously I don’t need 40 rounds to hunt with but while we were out there and could sling lead more than my 300 yards like my home range we did some far target shooting. It was nice being able to just run in anywhere and grab more ammo. Also to note most everyone else out there we met told me 300 win was too much for mule deer but it they stop when I hit em that’s all I can ask for.
@@alfradoify Totally agree with you, there. The big 5 cartridges of hunting: 270 Win, .308, .30-06, 7MM Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag. You can buy it anywhere. Super easy to reload. Data everywhere. Dozens of powders work in them. Every company makes dies for them. All proven over decades of use all over the globe.
.300 Win has won The Wimbledon, multiple times. Many Countries, Departments and Organizations chose it for their "heavier"
precision rifle calibre.
It just works. It was designed as the "standard/long action improvement for the full-length .300 H&H Magnum in 1963. At reasonable hunting distances and a little beyond, it's still an absolute hammer. With the right bullet choices, and careful handloading, you can load it down for whitetail, or up for big bears. No game animal in North America is going to notice the difference between a .300 Win designed 61 years ago, and their "flavour of the month/ here today and gone tomorrow" "New" .30 cal magnum.
Carry on, Sir. You're in good company.
First I do own a 7mm Prc. Second stop using 3000 fps for the 175. Just because Hornady printed it on the box doesn't mean that's what it's doing. 2900 fps would be far I think but I'm not even getting near that with Precision Hunter out of my 22". As for what's better? 300wm. I also feel the 6.8 could be better with more support and a 280ai is right there with the prc.
We poach whitetail with suppressed 300 blackout. Works great within 100 yards 👍🏼
Hunt with what cartridge you like and shoot well . I'm an old fud handloader with several rifles that shoot great . Like golf clubs I go to the safe and select what I think would best suit the game and terrain . My 7mm Rem mag is my do all , go to rifle . It shoots great & I've killed moose , bear & deer with it , none went more than 15 yds ! My handloads out perform 7 prc with same bullet weights & for hunting you don't need more than 162gr or 175gr in a 7mm . Get out and enjoy hunting & shoot what works for you ! Cheers