I had no clue it wasn't owned the by the same guys who did OBS. Too bad, I really liked the guys that work at the support of SLOBS, they are so reactive and efficient. Guess I'll have to rethink what tool I use to stream 😩
I personally moved just into OBS. It wasn't as confusing as I thought but that's just me. I do recommend trying to learn basic OBS, it's so nice to your cpu
OBS had been falling behind SLOBS for a little bit in terms of user friendliness, but SLOBS had financial backing. Now that OBS has sorted it's funding model out better, it's been punching back hard and mostly caught up, or plugins have appeared bringing feature parity back. QT is going to forever be a hindrance Dev wise, vs electron, but it does perform better at the end of the day. I'd be mildly interested in seeing an OBS fork or plugin that works together with the core OBS team, that attempts to do a total rewrite of the front-end, to see experimentally what OBS could become, as I think that both SLOBS and OBS are being held back severely by their limited UI compared to professional live compositors.
@@HonestAuntyElle Obs studio might be less user friendly and harder to use but when you learn how to use it, you can do a lot of things and you also understand how it works, in streamlabs everything is easier and you don't understand how it works
I moved to elements 2 years ago, noticed CPU difference and much better cloud based performance from element's. But the thing that triggered me was the hidden "pro" subscription I didn't willingly subscribe to from labs
I switched from streamlabs when I realized how much CPU it used and kept crashing. SL is just a bit easier to use for beginners but if you're serious about streaming it's best to switch sooner than later.
1. you put the dime in me pants. 2. you put the dime in me pants. or 3. YOU PUT THE DIME IN MEEEEEEEE PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS!!! Love that episode so much 😂
Streamlabs is free. Just that if you want the fancy overlays and other benefits then you have to pay for a subscription. Which is cheap compared to buying a number of overlays out right. Plus you still get to keep and use the overlays that you downloaded during your subscription. There is also a way to export the overlays from Streamlabs to OBS Studio so you don't have to buy them. These days though. I have been getting intro creating my own overlays now that I am more experienced with using them and how they work etc. Plus I love working in Photoshop and being creative so this gives me a sense of achievement for myself knowing I created that.
I agree that companies should be a little more conscious of the easy of duplication, but also should be an invite for someone to come and straight copy paste 😂😂
When YOU of all people said "I thought there was some type of collaboration there between SLOBS and OBS" the look of shock on my face. I can't believe how many people really didn't know about them being completely different, and even that OBS didn't condone them calling it SLOBS. Crazy, maybe I should be more surprised I actually knew based on how many people didnt.
Most people don't really look too deeply into things. They believe how things look on the surface. this is why politicians are so easily able to manipulate them.
@@fiftyshadesofurban Yeah, but Harris tends to look into things. It's half the reason I follow and watch his insight on a lot of streaming knowledge. Which is why it's surprising
Surpised me too, I knew they werent affiliated when I first started using slibs. But once the twitter message went viral, I and about 40 ither streamers I know swirched bavk to obs
For me as a new streamer I always thought slobs was an easier product and just obs was for pro streamers. That slobs and obs worked together. I'm really disappointed now to know this ain't true. Gonna switch over to obs and streamelements when I start streaming again.
Add to the sleezey, trying to cancel their Prime, that I didnt even realize I was still doing cause beyond NOT worth it, was a nightmare. It was a maze of a thing and then at the last click end they tried to say they were having technical difficulties.
Stream labs has always been sleazy, but the bit that frustrates me the most, is people who have managed to be oblivious to it... Maybe it's my open source background coming out that allowed me to see this over commercialized fork for what it was. Then people tried defending it against it being sleazy, or justified it blindly, as they were now a fan after using it.
@@89xixsem89 I agree. To the majority of the population, they wouldn't know the difference. Those of us with exposure and experience with open source saw right through SLOBS for what it was.
Most people just use products. It's stupid from you to want from them to dig in the background, to investigated what CFOs sisters in law grandmother did in Florida in 1959...
@@rzalegend lol right like I wonder how many companies OP buys from that are shady beyond belief, like, clothing companies that manufacture in countries with slave labour. As they type their comments on a Microsoft computer, who was notoriously ruthless getting to the top. Same with Apple, Facebook. People are hypocrites, this is just something to get mad about.
Hey Harris, do you think you could do a new OBS STudio + streamelements video guide? I'm going to be switching to OBS studio now, but am a bit lost with how to set up the widgets, alerts etc.
I just switched recently. Theres some good tutorials on RUclips that walk you through the swap over. You can actually very easily import everything you have and tweak it from there. Good luck!
A couple of weeks ago, I was seriously considering Streamlabs because, even though I could make my own overlays/popups/notifications myself in OBS, I didn't feel like I wanted to put in all the work knowing that I might be able to fully commit to streaming. $20 a month felt like a small price to pay for all they were offering with their addons when I could just drop it quick if I weren't going to stay with streaming. Haven't given them any money, not going to subscribe now that I understand all the issues. (Twitter was on so much fire from hate that I couldn't find any source of the issues until now)
pro tip, you can download the overlays then unsubscribe. They get tucked in some deep path once you download them. Just in case you do decide one day, never pay for the year option.
I use to have SLOBS back when it first launched and used it for a couple of months, but with as much CPU usage it took it kept crashing my streams and made certain things feel slower. Then I switched back to OBS and added Streamelements add-on and shit has been smooth ever since.
My fear is that this will be another situation where “one person ruined it for everyone else” when it comes to how open source and GPL licensing works. It was never intended to be used in this manner, and Streamlabs is (for now) benefitting from a loophole that keeps them legally safe (except for plagiarism laws).
Nah that will never happen. The GNU and open source community is not like that. They genuinely don't care. Tons of proprietary stuff is based on free software. You are totally allowed to take free software and change it or use it as is in your works. macOS is built on free software. The Darwin kernel. GNU file utils, etc.
@@fiftyshadesofurban Whilst MacOS is based on an open source OS called Darwin, it should be pointed out that Darwin is owned by Apple and distributed under the Apple Open Source licence, not GNU or GPL.
Well okay, actually disappointed they used obs name without permission, with everything else they stole. Makes me want to use classic obs now for when I stream
@@kingrollos "should've been smarter" lol no. Obs is an open source software free of trademark, hence "open source". It's not legal but it's in bad spirit of business in general. OBS wasn't in some way dumb for not trademarking the name. It was left open on purpose. SL is just garbage for being that careless and scummy. Might've made them money in the short term but they're losing business day by day from the public realizing they aren't collaborating.
I’ve always thought that OBS was just like a dictionary word and OBS had just called their product OBS and that anyone could use it because it is just a word in the dictionary not that it is OBS is property in a sense. And So essentially I didn’t think there was anything wrong with Streamlabs using OBS in the name I figured open broadcaster software was just a thing.
This is pretty upsetting. I have defaulted to stream labs because of the convenience, when initially trying to set up OBS my computer just didn't want to run it or when I did finally get it to capture, it wouldn't run the various overlays and was super choppy, but slOBS ran smooth and let me do everything I needed
For those that said that they have issues running OBS, if you are running Windows 10, you may need to turn off Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling and run OBS. If you want to leave the scheduler running, then you'll need to run OBS with Administrative Privileges. Microsoft updated the scheduler to work the way it does in Windows 11, but I can't remember which update that was. So depending which version of Windows 10 you are using, the above method may fix your issues. The scheduler prioritizes games over everything else, so OBS takes a hit when the scheduler is enabled. By running OBS with Admin Privileges, then you are telling Windows that you want it to prioritize OBS over everything else. Or just turn off the schedular and OBS should run fine.
I figured there was something shitty going on there. Especially because everything turned from free to paid one year and that's when I stopped using it.
I'm also curious? its free to use lol everyone's just hating and following what the big streamer says. in business world if you don't want your shit stolen, trademark your shit and make sure it cant be copyrighter. these other companies should have been smarter.
naive. It is virtually impossible to recreate a HASH id on the blockchain. Non fungible literally means non replicable. The art isn't what's unique, it's the digital identifier. You know what? NVM just wait ten years. Like, the cryptologists working on this stuff didn't miss a step. And artist verification has been working fine. The fears of shit getting stolen hasn't even been an issue as most platforms require you to show proof, like an old save file for example. It costs money to mint stuff too.
Funny to see how the boom of streaming’s success ultimately led to a lot more eyes on SLOBS and other steaming tools, which made their impending explosion and downfall all the more brilliant
I hear again and again, that people thought that SLOBS has to do something to OBS Studio apart from Streamlabs made their own build of the free code. I start to understand why Microsoft requested to rename Windows Commander.
As a marketing professional by trade I will say a couple things: Big companies steal from smaller companies all the time, unethical yes but not illegal. The real shame is that they were so blatant and didn’t care to even try to hide it. That’s where you shift “trying to be the best company for our customers” to “trying to be the best company for our c suite” and honestly they deserve to fail 100x of what they have already suffered
As a developer this happens a lot with open source tech, depending on the license, a company is free to use and make profit from an existing product or service or protocol, IRC is open source I believe and powers billion dollar products such as slack.
I honestly always thought they were the same company but had these two branded differently to help different people. SLOBS for the more beginner that make it easier to set up a stream but with less customization and OBS for more advanced streamers that allowed for unlimited building and customization. It wasn't until this news started coming out that I realized they were completely different companies
I worked at streamlabs when this happened. At one point a couple people in upper management made statements like "i hope that guy dies" when someone made critism public like this. also one of the people saying it got caught wearing a butt plug at the office and it made the women very uncomfortable but management wouldn't do anything about it. gross people
Thank you for shedding light on this. I had no idea. I have unfollowed Streamlabs on all platforms and will be unistalling and switching over to OBS Studio.
My biggest issue with streamelements is there is no chat games on RUclips, but only for twitch. No channel points etc either. I really hope streamelements adds those, so I can get rid of the only thing from streamlabs that I use
I've only ever used OBS because it's what's included in all the standard Linux repos. The fact that streamlabs is only available for proprietary operating systems is in itself shady when it claims to be FOSS.
I hope that those companies put together a class action lawsuit and sue them beyond bankruptcy. A good team of attorneys could easily crush them in court and stop them before they continue to do damage. Just shake my head slowly at the dirtiness of it all.
I am glad that it is blowing up, but they have been blatantly scamming a lot of other company and their own users by stealing them hundreds of dollars FOR YEARS! And this was not a secret either, I never understood why big streamers where endorsing those crooks
Thank You so much for posting this video, people who are new to these things often think that streamlabs come under OBS and I was one of them. And ngl but I didn't knew that streamlabs is just a rip off of OBS. Thank You for the video and clarifying properly 🙏🙏
You have to call out the people behind it! Streamlabs might disappear because of this, but the people who are responsibke for it will return under another name, with another scheme, unless you expose them.
This whole thing was the reason I started working on my own overlay component app. It ain't ready yet and will probably never be on the quality level as Streamlabs or Stream Elements, but mine is all Open Source and running locally, so Privacy 100 I guess...
Congrats on your little one! I noticed the box for your boppy pillow before you revealed the little one! I just had my first in March of this year and it's been the best 🥰
2:53 this is what happened to SCP in Russia back in 2019. One guy trademarked it here and started to threat people with lawsuit against them for making SCP merch. The court said that he didn't break any law while SCP by itself is protected with Creative Commons license
Having to deal with all the crap about wanting a refund, when the OBS folks definitely didn't need to handle that additional workload (ESPECIALLY when it could have been prevented!) absolutely blows me away... what a scummy thing to do.
Just made the switch to OBS Studio instead of SLOBS. Also changed from Streamlabs to Stream Elements. Took so many hours but was worth it. Still gonna have to use SLOBS to record tho, so I can have my Camera separate from gameplay. Camera in OBS Studio and Gameplay / Display in SLOBS
Not only that....They take their customers money, provide ZERO of the services promised and then after 5 weeks of chasing to fix it they flat refused to give a refund.
as somebody who uses slobs, i hate it. The display and video capture never work, the "features" feel like what people joke devs call bugs. And its just bad. I need to switch to something else but have no clue what to switch too. Anything helps btw. Also, Harris, I DIDNT KNOW YOU HAD A KID, ive been a twitch sub for a year, youtube sub for longer, and am obsessed with ur videos, i mean come on, you helped me start streaming, albeit i didnt do that great, but i did way better than i thought I would, and its mainly because of you, so thanks man.
I hate when companies commercially fork open source software and not giving back to the community, it's such a big middle finger to all the people that did the hard work to create awesome software.
People are shocked about how scummy they are? Even tho many do not like Athene, but what they did during their drama was also scummy as fuck, with fake lawyer letters and all that stuff. I would never use anything from such a company.
I started with OBS .. both for the best performance and for the modding of the software itself ... this video is yet another confirmation of the best choice I have ever made
It cracks me up they're trying to claim the plagiarized text is "placeholder" text. You use lorem ipsum for placeholder text not full testimonials, descriptions, etc. just copied and pasted from your competition. It's such a weak and completely unbelievable argument. I do think it's a sleazy move and I won't be using their products, but I would almost prefer it if they had tried to defend themselves with the "this is how business works" argument rather than offer up these lazy excuses.
I'm so glad I switched to stream elements early on, I never liked the GUI of SLOBS or how much of my PC it was using. Also when I was first looking at which one to download and I saw both OBS and SLOBS, I didn't think they had a partnership only because I looked at it as a Linux type thing since OBS is open sourced and just thought SLOBS were just branching it off, not stealing it.
OBS also replied that they often receive emails requesting refunds for stream labs prime because their customers think that OBS is affiliated with them.
Had no idea they did it with no permission. The subscription service was weird for overlays. It did take up a lot of CPU power or lagged where the OG had beefed up on.
Thank you for the comparison list. I didn't know there was a better version of crossclip. I hate that watermark feature. Combo does not have that and it's free!
Its sleazy as hell, but at the end of the day not illegal. But neither is it illegal for me to stop using their other products that I still had around...
Thanks for the information! Just getting into streaming/content creation and I've definitively been hearing some bad things about Streamlabs hear and there, but this sums it all up perfectly. I'll be boycotting them for sure, not that I was using any of their sleezy products in the first place.
In the USA, this is an example of smart business practises that are not illegal in any way and describes why some people have money dropping out of their pockets while others starve.
While some competition is healthy for businesses, to ensure they don't get complacent and stop improving, I think blatantly ripping off another brand is very sleazy. To me this just adds yet another reason why I refuse to use stream labs. Before stream beats there were a couple "loyalty free" music streaming services you came in and provided healthy competition for them but you did it better. You offered free downloads, downloadable documents giving express written permission to use your music and put monetization on ads and through music streaming platforms thus not directly charging the user. I think this is a good business model and just goes to show you really do catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Thank you Harris, for all you do for the streaming community.
this just shows how lazy streamlabs can be but they also made some great things like there overlays and wigets and so many other things but i feel like its kinda weird that their are literally copying other big companies
Great video Harris... uh can we talk about that shirt you're wearing though? Is it two shirts and the top one like a mesh/thin fabric? Or is it just one shirt with thin fabric on the sleeves?? I MUST KNOW!!
I've always stuck with OBS. SL always gave me an icky vibe. The annoyinng thing is though that SL has all those nifty alerts and overlays and whatnot (the list goes on and on) that makes streamers lifes so nice.. if someone else was offering the same services. SL should be dead and burried by now.. right?
Dude and their refund policy is sketchy too. I ended reporting them to my bank about denying my refund because I requested within the window of time, but deny your customers a refund for a Prime subscription in which your rules designate the refund will be denied if you even use said product? The normal customer wouldn't even challenge that haha. That's not a refund policy. It's consumer theft.
Just moved over to StreamElements recently, liking the compatibility with OBS thus far... could use with some work on their overlay designer, but still better than StreamLabs in both quality & values.
I've just cancelled my Prime Subscription after seing yours and another channels video. when they asked why i was leaving, simply told em I was against their business strategy. Thanks you for your great media content and most of all congratulation for the new born, which should be around 6 month old now !
It was actually caught in 8K with ray tracing. ;-) I would be very surprised if no companies have sued Streamlabs this entire time. It really should not have taken this long for Streamlabs to announce a "resolution". By the way, the acronym "SLOBS" ranks right up there with the Chevy Nova - why would I bother with either?
Well, all I can say is the NDI Skype works with no delay in Slobs. The same setup in OBS the NDI from Skype to OBS is delayed. Sleezy or not Steamlabs works easier and reliable.
On the flip Sidce, as a very casual follower of this stuff, I didn’t know who stream labs were. I do now. Maybe the old cliché of “there’s no such thing as bad publicity” rings true here.
How many of you used Streamlabs? How many of you are leaving? How many of you thought SLOBS was partnered with OBS? These are the real questions!
Happily closed my account yesterday. More like Lamelabs amirite?
Started on Slobs But switched within a month. Two limiting and now would definitely never go back for any service
im using slobs,,, im just lazy to setup another on obs so for the time being,, ill just stay on slobs
All of the above. I've even been paying them $20 a month for nothing apparently 😐
used to but obs my beloved
I had no clue it wasn't owned the by the same guys who did OBS.
Too bad, I really liked the guys that work at the support of SLOBS, they are so reactive and efficient.
Guess I'll have to rethink what tool I use to stream 😩
Same here :( I like Streamlabs because it super dooper easy, but looks like I'll have to reassess
I personally moved just into OBS. It wasn't as confusing as I thought but that's just me. I do recommend trying to learn basic OBS, it's so nice to your cpu
Pretty sure that Streamlabs is actually owned under the Logitech umbrella.
@@theadventuresofsolykos6433 Logitech Bought Streamlabs for 89 or so million dollars
Use regular OBS, it’s the same thing literally
Hey StreamElements, sorry that I haven't made the switch earlier, I hope you accept me as one of your own now.
welcome to the stream elemets family
Is it free?
@@Vickimer21 yes
Welcome
@fireroka They easily can just copy the one from StreamLabs ... as SL probably also copied it from someone else 🤔
Plus OBS Studio runs better, doesn’t take as much CPU.
Does it? Thats actually great news!
OBS had been falling behind SLOBS for a little bit in terms of user friendliness, but SLOBS had financial backing. Now that OBS has sorted it's funding model out better, it's been punching back hard and mostly caught up, or plugins have appeared bringing feature parity back.
QT is going to forever be a hindrance Dev wise, vs electron, but it does perform better at the end of the day.
I'd be mildly interested in seeing an OBS fork or plugin that works together with the core OBS team, that attempts to do a total rewrite of the front-end, to see experimentally what OBS could become, as I think that both SLOBS and OBS are being held back severely by their limited UI compared to professional live compositors.
@@HonestAuntyElle Obs studio might be less user friendly and harder to use but when you learn how to use it, you can do a lot of things and you also understand how it works, in streamlabs everything is easier and you don't understand how it works
@@thekinodertotenzombi I feel like you read a single sentence of what I said before replying.
I shall transfer
I moved to elements 2 years ago, noticed CPU difference and much better cloud based performance from element's. But the thing that triggered me was the hidden "pro" subscription I didn't willingly subscribe to from labs
We've all been hit by it on the donation checkout. They're thieves anyway
Literally this.
Yeah Streamlabs has gone down hill.
Same here. I have no regrets.
how did they get your payment information? Wouldnt you have had to give them your paypal or credit card to charge you?
I switched from streamlabs when I realized how much CPU it used and kept crashing. SL is just a bit easier to use for beginners but if you're serious about streaming it's best to switch sooner than later.
What did you switch to?
@@ZenithAesthetics probably streamelements
What did you switch too??
@@TechSilver13 probally not if you have a good cpu
SLOBS: Hey obs, can we obs in our name please
OBS: no make your own
SLOBS: imma pretend I didn't hear that
Streamlabs: We didn't do anything wrong.
Mr. Krabs: "Hmmm let's see.1. You stole it. 2. You stole it. 3. YOU STOLE IT!"
1. you put the dime in me pants. 2. you put the dime in me pants. or 3. YOU PUT THE DIME IN MEEEEEEEE PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS!!! Love that episode so much 😂
I always felt stream labs was a “scam” anyways. OBS is free and they took someone’s work then charge for it lol
Streamlabs is free. Just that if you want the fancy overlays and other benefits then you have to pay for a subscription. Which is cheap compared to buying a number of overlays out right.
Plus you still get to keep and use the overlays that you downloaded during your subscription.
There is also a way to export the overlays from Streamlabs to OBS Studio so you don't have to buy them.
These days though. I have been getting intro creating my own overlays now that I am more experienced with using them and how they work etc. Plus I love working in Photoshop and being creative so this gives me a sense of achievement for myself knowing I created that.
There's really nothing weird about that, OBS is open source.
@@WuWaMintpicker but using OBS in their name implies it’s related to the original project which it’s not. That’s the scam part.
@@tombaumhart1891 Not really it uses the same base and it is OBS it is open broadcaster studio
@@tombaumhart1891 there's no scam? It's simply a matter of morals, because they didn't break any rules or do anything that isn't allowed.
I agree that companies should be a little more conscious of the easy of duplication, but also should be an invite for someone to come and straight copy paste 😂😂
Yeah always copyright and trademark your work with the US government.
When YOU of all people said "I thought there was some type of collaboration there between SLOBS and OBS" the look of shock on my face. I can't believe how many people really didn't know about them being completely different, and even that OBS didn't condone them calling it SLOBS. Crazy, maybe I should be more surprised I actually knew based on how many people didnt.
Most people don't really look too deeply into things. They believe how things look on the surface. this is why politicians are so easily able to manipulate them.
@@fiftyshadesofurban Yeah, but Harris tends to look into things. It's half the reason I follow and watch his insight on a lot of streaming knowledge. Which is why it's surprising
Surpised me too, I knew they werent affiliated when I first started using slibs. But once the twitter message went viral, I and about 40 ither streamers I know swirched bavk to obs
Slobs is a more accurate name for them than SLOBS
For me as a new streamer I always thought slobs was an easier product and just obs was for pro streamers. That slobs and obs worked together. I'm really disappointed now to know this ain't true. Gonna switch over to obs and streamelements when I start streaming again.
Add to the sleezey, trying to cancel their Prime, that I didnt even realize I was still doing cause beyond NOT worth it, was a nightmare. It was a maze of a thing and then at the last click end they tried to say they were having technical difficulties.
Stream labs has always been sleazy, but the bit that frustrates me the most, is people who have managed to be oblivious to it... Maybe it's my open source background coming out that allowed me to see this over commercialized fork for what it was.
Then people tried defending it against it being sleazy, or justified it blindly, as they were now a fan after using it.
Most people won't know what open source really means, sadly, so I don't blame them.
@@89xixsem89 I agree. To the majority of the population, they wouldn't know the difference. Those of us with exposure and experience with open source saw right through SLOBS for what it was.
Most people just use products. It's stupid from you to want from them to dig in the background, to investigated what CFOs sisters in law grandmother did in Florida in 1959...
@@rzalegend lol right like I wonder how many companies OP buys from that are shady beyond belief, like, clothing companies that manufacture in countries with slave labour. As they type their comments on a Microsoft computer, who was notoriously ruthless getting to the top. Same with Apple, Facebook. People are hypocrites, this is just something to get mad about.
switched from streamlabs to obs a few weeks ago, and stream ran DRASTICALLY better.
This 👆🏻
Will switch to Studio OBS as soon as I can.
Hey Harris, do you think you could do a new OBS STudio + streamelements video guide? I'm going to be switching to OBS studio now, but am a bit lost with how to set up the widgets, alerts etc.
I just switched recently. Theres some good tutorials on RUclips that walk you through the swap over. You can actually very easily import everything you have and tweak it from there. Good luck!
They have a video about streamelements but its pretty basic stuff and not really in depth
I bet you join his discord there is people there that can help with the transition on a more personal level.
clap to you friend, imo se is way easier that slobs and has always been for me, but hope everything goes okay
A couple of weeks ago, I was seriously considering Streamlabs because, even though I could make my own overlays/popups/notifications myself in OBS, I didn't feel like I wanted to put in all the work knowing that I might be able to fully commit to streaming. $20 a month felt like a small price to pay for all they were offering with their addons when I could just drop it quick if I weren't going to stay with streaming. Haven't given them any money, not going to subscribe now that I understand all the issues. (Twitter was on so much fire from hate that I couldn't find any source of the issues until now)
Also, streamlabs is known for making it difficult to unsubscribe from their paid products.
pro tip, you can download the overlays then unsubscribe. They get tucked in some deep path once you download them. Just in case you do decide one day, never pay for the year option.
There’s free overlays out there man.
I use to have SLOBS back when it first launched and used it for a couple of months, but with as much CPU usage it took it kept crashing my streams and made certain things feel slower. Then I switched back to OBS and added Streamelements add-on and shit has been smooth ever since.
My fear is that this will be another situation where “one person ruined it for everyone else” when it comes to how open source and GPL licensing works. It was never intended to be used in this manner, and Streamlabs is (for now) benefitting from a loophole that keeps them legally safe (except for plagiarism laws).
It's completely fine for you to fork and sell, so long you make your source code available
Nah that will never happen. The GNU and open source community is not like that. They genuinely don't care. Tons of proprietary stuff is based on free software. You are totally allowed to take free software and change it or use it as is in your works. macOS is built on free software. The Darwin kernel. GNU file utils, etc.
@@fiftyshadesofurban but at least they didnt direct copy it
like how SL do to OBS,and im afraid OBS discontinued becuase de devs got discouraged
@@fiftyshadesofurban Whilst MacOS is based on an open source OS called Darwin, it should be pointed out that Darwin is owned by Apple and distributed under the Apple Open Source licence, not GNU or GPL.
happens all the time.
Well okay, actually disappointed they used obs name without permission, with everything else they stole. Makes me want to use classic obs now for when I stream
You probably should
you dont need permission if you dont have a legal claim to it, they shouldve been smarter. id agree bad for business though
@@kingrollos "should've been smarter" lol no. Obs is an open source software free of trademark, hence "open source". It's not legal but it's in bad spirit of business in general. OBS wasn't in some way dumb for not trademarking the name. It was left open on purpose. SL is just garbage for being that careless and scummy. Might've made them money in the short term but they're losing business day by day from the public realizing they aren't collaborating.
I’ve always thought that OBS was just like a dictionary word and OBS had just called their product OBS and that anyone could use it because it is just a word in the dictionary not that it is OBS is property in a sense. And So essentially I didn’t think there was anything wrong with Streamlabs using OBS in the name I figured open broadcaster software was just a thing.
I really thought it was partnership. Im going to move right away
This is pretty upsetting. I have defaulted to stream labs because of the convenience, when initially trying to set up OBS my computer just didn't want to run it or when I did finally get it to capture, it wouldn't run the various overlays and was super choppy, but slOBS ran smooth and let me do everything I needed
On streamlabs there was a CPU issue I tried everything and nothing worked. It was using none of my GPU and 100% of my CPU
For those that said that they have issues running OBS, if you are running Windows 10, you may need to turn off Hardware Accelerated GPU Scheduling and run OBS. If you want to leave the scheduler running, then you'll need to run OBS with Administrative Privileges. Microsoft updated the scheduler to work the way it does in Windows 11, but I can't remember which update that was. So depending which version of Windows 10 you are using, the above method may fix your issues. The scheduler prioritizes games over everything else, so OBS takes a hit when the scheduler is enabled. By running OBS with Admin Privileges, then you are telling Windows that you want it to prioritize OBS over everything else. Or just turn off the schedular and OBS should run fine.
I figured there was something shitty going on there. Especially because everything turned from free to paid one year and that's when I stopped using it.
What is paid?
I'm also curious? its free to use lol
everyone's just hating and following what the big streamer says. in business world if you don't want your shit stolen, trademark your shit and make sure it cant be copyrighter. these other companies should have been smarter.
"How difficult is it for someone to reproduce this idea." This step was missed by NFT's
naive. It is virtually impossible to recreate a HASH id on the blockchain. Non fungible literally means non replicable. The art isn't what's unique, it's the digital identifier. You know what? NVM just wait ten years. Like, the cryptologists working on this stuff didn't miss a step. And artist verification has been working fine. The fears of shit getting stolen hasn't even been an issue as most platforms require you to show proof, like an old save file for example. It costs money to mint stuff too.
Funny to see how the boom of streaming’s success ultimately led to a lot more eyes on SLOBS and other steaming tools, which made their impending explosion and downfall all the more brilliant
they aren't going anywhere dude lol. I think you meant implosion also.
I hear again and again, that people thought that SLOBS has to do something to OBS Studio apart from Streamlabs made their own build of the free code.
I start to understand why Microsoft requested to rename Windows Commander.
As a marketing professional by trade I will say a couple things:
Big companies steal from smaller companies all the time, unethical yes but not illegal.
The real shame is that they were so blatant and didn’t care to even try to hide it. That’s where you shift “trying to be the best company for our customers” to “trying to be the best company for our c suite” and honestly they deserve to fail 100x of what they have already suffered
hiding it is better how?
@@JunkBondTrader in a business perspective, yes.
We steal it but we are hiding it, so its cool... xD
There are even more apps outside of that list.. It's crazy..
As a developer this happens a lot with open source tech, depending on the license, a company is free to use and make profit from an existing product or service or protocol, IRC is open source I believe and powers billion dollar products such as slack.
right.. while they turn blind eyes to a ton of other shady companies nearly everyone supports at one point or another.
I honestly always thought they were the same company but had these two branded differently to help different people. SLOBS for the more beginner that make it easier to set up a stream but with less customization and OBS for more advanced streamers that allowed for unlimited building and customization. It wasn't until this news started coming out that I realized they were completely different companies
I agree it's sleazy;I disagree with people saying it means we should cancel the company.
More on this soon™
I worked at streamlabs when this happened. At one point a couple people in upper management made statements like "i hope that guy dies" when someone made critism public like this. also one of the people saying it got caught wearing a butt plug at the office and it made the women very uncomfortable but management wouldn't do anything about it. gross people
Thank you for shedding light on this. I had no idea. I have unfollowed Streamlabs on all platforms and will be unistalling and switching over to OBS Studio.
My biggest issue with streamelements is there is no chat games on RUclips, but only for twitch. No channel points etc either. I really hope streamelements adds those, so I can get rid of the only thing from streamlabs that I use
I've only ever used OBS because it's what's included in all the standard Linux repos. The fact that streamlabs is only available for proprietary operating systems is in itself shady when it claims to be FOSS.
FYI. the ad placement isn't SEO. That's just ads (often referred to as SEM or PPC). But SEO only refers to the organic results below.
I hope that those companies put together a class action lawsuit and sue them beyond bankruptcy. A good team of attorneys could easily crush them in court and stop them before they continue to do damage. Just shake my head slowly at the dirtiness of it all.
I'm glad I listened and just used regular obs when researching what to use for streaming.
I am glad that it is blowing up, but they have been blatantly scamming a lot of other company and their own users by stealing them hundreds of dollars FOR YEARS!
And this was not a secret either, I never understood why big streamers where endorsing those crooks
This takes “Fake it till you make it” to another level lol
I literally only started streaming a week or so ago with SLOBS and this has made me move to Streamelements.
Streamlabs Beats are probably already brewing in their cauldron of copium.
Love StreamBeats - would love to see a DarkWave / DarkTechno playlist 🙏
Thank You so much for posting this video, people who are new to these things often think that streamlabs come under OBS and I was one of them. And ngl but I didn't knew that streamlabs is just a rip off of OBS. Thank You for the video and clarifying properly 🙏🙏
You have to call out the people behind it!
Streamlabs might disappear because of this, but the people who are responsibke for it will return under another name, with another scheme, unless you expose them.
This whole thing was the reason I started working on my own overlay component app. It ain't ready yet and will probably never be on the quality level as Streamlabs or Stream Elements, but mine is all Open Source and running locally, so Privacy 100 I guess...
Congrats on your little one! I noticed the box for your boppy pillow before you revealed the little one! I just had my first in March of this year and it's been the best 🥰
Deleting my stream labs as soon as I get home. I can't stand that kind of unethical moves. Ty for bringing awareness
I'm brand new to streaming, glad I saw this before getting too invested in streamlabs
Streamlabs out here pulling a ctrl c + ctrl v
2:53 this is what happened to SCP in Russia back in 2019. One guy trademarked it here and started to threat people with lawsuit against them for making SCP merch. The court said that he didn't break any law while SCP by itself is protected with Creative Commons license
Having to deal with all the crap about wanting a refund, when the OBS folks definitely didn't need to handle that additional workload (ESPECIALLY when it could have been prevented!) absolutely blows me away... what a scummy thing to do.
Just made the switch to OBS Studio instead of SLOBS. Also changed from Streamlabs to Stream Elements. Took so many hours but was worth it. Still gonna have to use SLOBS to record tho, so I can have my Camera separate from gameplay. Camera in OBS Studio and Gameplay / Display in SLOBS
Not only that....They take their customers money, provide ZERO of the services promised and then after 5 weeks of chasing to fix it they flat refused to give a refund.
as somebody who uses slobs, i hate it. The display and video capture never work, the "features" feel like what people joke devs call bugs. And its just bad. I need to switch to something else but have no clue what to switch too. Anything helps btw. Also, Harris, I DIDNT KNOW YOU HAD A KID, ive been a twitch sub for a year, youtube sub for longer, and am obsessed with ur videos, i mean come on, you helped me start streaming, albeit i didnt do that great, but i did way better than i thought I would, and its mainly because of you, so thanks man.
I hate when companies commercially fork open source software and not giving back to the community, it's such a big middle finger to all the people that did the hard work to create awesome software.
People are shocked about how scummy they are? Even tho many do not like Athene, but what they did during their drama was also scummy as fuck, with fake lawyer letters and all that stuff. I would never use anything from such a company.
Sounds like streamlabs was playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers.
I started with OBS .. both for the best performance and for the modding of the software itself ... this video is yet another confirmation of the best choice I have ever made
It cracks me up they're trying to claim the plagiarized text is "placeholder" text. You use lorem ipsum for placeholder text not full testimonials, descriptions, etc. just copied and pasted from your competition. It's such a weak and completely unbelievable argument. I do think it's a sleazy move and I won't be using their products, but I would almost prefer it if they had tried to defend themselves with the "this is how business works" argument rather than offer up these lazy excuses.
I'm so glad I switched to stream elements early on, I never liked the GUI of SLOBS or how much of my PC it was using. Also when I was first looking at which one to download and I saw both OBS and SLOBS, I didn't think they had a partnership only because I looked at it as a Linux type thing since OBS is open sourced and just thought SLOBS were just branching it off, not stealing it.
OBS also replied that they often receive emails requesting refunds for stream labs prime because their customers think that OBS is affiliated with them.
I had to watch this video twice. I couldn't not focus on harris wearing what looks like 2 t-shirts!
Streamlabs: Hey bro can I copy your work but change the words?
I always thought they were partnered. What a sleazy way to figure things out. Good on the accountability. I'm pissed
Had no idea they did it with no permission. The subscription service was weird for overlays. It did take up a lot of CPU power or lagged where the OG had beefed up on.
looks like im gonna be finding a new way to stream online.... goodbye Steamlabs! To some of us, integrity still trumps "business"...
Its like that one student who said "copy but change the wording"
Thank you for the comparison list. I didn't know there was a better version of crossclip. I hate that watermark feature. Combo does not have that and it's free!
Only ever used OBS and used Streamlabs notifications.
Its sleazy as hell, but at the end of the day not illegal.
But neither is it illegal for me to stop using their other products that I still had around...
Thanks for the information! Just getting into streaming/content creation and I've definitively been hearing some bad things about Streamlabs hear and there, but this sums it all up perfectly. I'll be boycotting them for sure, not that I was using any of their sleezy products in the first place.
In the USA, this is an example of smart business practises that are not illegal in any way and describes why some people have money dropping out of their pockets while others starve.
This was such a funny thing to watch roll out on Twitter. Streamlabs just got put straight up on blast 😂
While some competition is healthy for businesses, to ensure they don't get complacent and stop improving, I think blatantly ripping off another brand is very sleazy. To me this just adds yet another reason why I refuse to use stream labs.
Before stream beats there were a couple "loyalty free" music streaming services you came in and provided healthy competition for them but you did it better. You offered free downloads, downloadable documents giving express written permission to use your music and put monetization on ads and through music streaming platforms thus not directly charging the user. I think this is a good business model and just goes to show you really do catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Thank you Harris, for all you do for the streaming community.
Simple : in the 30's in America, Al Capone was shooting competitors. :')
this just shows how lazy streamlabs can be but they also made some great things like there overlays and wigets and so many other things but i feel like its kinda weird that their are literally copying other big companies
Well they took those overlays from own3d
@@AshTheDuke lmao well streamlabs kinda sad ngl
Great video Harris... uh can we talk about that shirt you're wearing though? Is it two shirts and the top one like a mesh/thin fabric? Or is it just one shirt with thin fabric on the sleeves?? I MUST KNOW!!
Depending on the laws of the country where Streamlabs is developed in, they can be sued for plagiarism/copyright infringement tbh.
i never knew what lightstream was before i saw a tweet saying stuff about streamlabs
I've always stuck with OBS. SL always gave me an icky vibe. The annoyinng thing is though that SL has all those nifty alerts and overlays and whatnot (the list goes on and on) that makes streamers lifes so nice.. if someone else was offering the same services. SL should be dead and burried by now.. right?
Dude and their refund policy is sketchy too. I ended reporting them to my bank about denying my refund because I requested within the window of time, but deny your customers a refund for a Prime subscription in which your rules designate the refund will be denied if you even use said product? The normal customer wouldn't even challenge that haha. That's not a refund policy. It's consumer theft.
streamlabs ''were changing the name from stream deck to just deck''
also streamlabs '' I play my trap card''
Just moved over to StreamElements recently, liking the compatibility with OBS thus far... could use with some work on their overlay designer, but still better than StreamLabs in both quality & values.
I never thought OBS and Streamlabs we're connected.
I had to sub, been looking for a source/producer for beats and this has definitely been a weight off my shoulders as a content creator
I've just cancelled my Prime Subscription after seing yours and another channels video. when they asked why i was leaving, simply told em I was against their business strategy. Thanks you for your great media content and most of all congratulation for the new born, which should be around 6 month old now !
Elgato released their mobile app for android long after Slobs did and its not free.
omg I legit thought they were the same company. I'm glad I moved to OBS studio now!
It was actually caught in 8K with ray tracing. ;-) I would be very surprised if no companies have sued Streamlabs this entire time. It really should not have taken this long for Streamlabs to announce a "resolution". By the way, the acronym "SLOBS" ranks right up there with the Chevy Nova - why would I bother with either?
“Stream labs is secretly using my PC to mine crypto” 💀💀
I sense a new “move from slobs to stream elements and OBS” video coming very soon
Well, all I can say is the NDI Skype works with no delay in Slobs. The same setup in OBS the NDI from Skype to OBS is delayed. Sleezy or not Steamlabs works easier and reliable.
I thought SLOBS was done with cooperation with OBS.
I already left SL for SE earlier this year
On the flip Sidce, as a very casual follower of this stuff, I didn’t know who stream labs were. I do now. Maybe the old cliché of “there’s no such thing as bad publicity” rings true here.
In other news StreamElements seem to be having a good day, i'm sure its a coincidence
I think the OMFG moment was when Edward Snowden commented on Streamlabs KEKW