Home Run or Flop? Black Gold Dual Trac Sight //
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2021
- Home Run or Flop? Black Gold Duel Trac Sight // #ABT
We are going over the new sight from Black Gold with MFJJ from Spokane Valley Archery. Did Black Gold drop the ball on this one? Or, did they hit it out of the park?
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Great content as usual. Love my BG’s and learned more about the special adjustments that I will have to try. Appreciate the detailed overview.
This is awesome! This is what I've been wanting! Great video like always!
I started back in the Seventies when Sight Master came out!!!! Deadly sight with the ability to move the sight as you hold the bow!!!!! To bad he passed away. No longer available! Came from Townsend, Montana.
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I've had my Shrewd scope pin mounted coming down for several years and it opens up the sight picture in my mind. Especially for holdover. You can see easier how much your holding higher on the deer coyote whatever.
Great information Josh you will be my full line Archery shop and I have 10 grandchildren that I'm getting into the sport
Hey Josh my Axcel Landslyde does work on my X29 by moving the assembly to the outermost holes AND with a 31 mm scope like an AV-31 or UV3. All other scopes like the UV3XL or AV-41 does not work due to the lack of windage the extra 10 mm it takes up.
Excellent! I agree with the single pin. The original with what I started with is Sight master with finger tip control. I harvested more game than I could count. Sad they stopped making the sight!
What is MFJJ'S full setup gonna be for 2022?
I almost ran out of windage on my fast Eddie xl on my 33. Took a little bit of hillbilly engineering and resetting my bow up. But I had the change the top hats and that’s when I almost ran out of room
Great info as usual! Thanks again.
Well looks like I need to add something to my list of gear needed for next year.
Merry Christmas boys. Have a good time with the fams.
I feel like I was there while this was being filmed lol 🤔😂
This is an amazing video!!! We’ll done! You explained everything perfectly.
Glad it was helpful!
Love you're reviews. I have the dual trac for hunting set at 25 and 35 on my RX7 I'm good from 0-40 no problem.
Merry Christmas everyone. I love learning new stuff from you guys. Please keep it up….it would be great if we could leave the Lords name of it.
Looks like BG has done it again. I currently run two pro sights. Use my single pin for 9 months shooting targets then switch to my 3 pin for hunting. This new sight looks like it will be awesome. I feel I shoot much better with my single pin but I’m not confident enough yet to hunt with it as I’m just 2 years into this great archery adventure. Curious if BG will sell the scope housing with the dual track so we don’t have to buy a whole new sight. Awesome video once again guys. Keep up the good work.
Craig...highly unlikely as I've attempted to do the same with the Pro sight. Trust me, wish they would.
Great video as usual ... MBG has been my go to sight since the 90s..
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I have been shooting a Trophy Ridge single vertical pin almost 15 years now. I have thinking a 2 pin vertical might be really nice for about 13 of those 15 years lol. If things go well, I'll have one of these sights on a new V3X before the end of summer
That's why I like my Reckoning. Adjust those stops juuuuust the way you want to adjust that letoff weight. More "pull" at the wall means there's a "balance" of some sort up front. Micro, micro tunable and that front. I'm done buying sights for now...until the latest greatest gets me all giggly, and I'm all giggly.. That's it, BG hit the mark with this sight! JJ, set notifications to let me know when you have inventory. 😉. Gonna replace my Ascent Verdict on my Reign 6 with this latest and greatest. Love the Pro on my Reckoning. JJ, I to shot single pin (HHA) way back in the day. Now that sight is mounted on a bow of a archer that I kinda mentored. Will he eventually "upgrade" to the most advanced someday? Who knows, all I know is it cleared up his housing from 7 pins to 1 and his accuracy improved. Cheers, fellas
Dang! I really wanted this sight now. Thanks for the great BG vid! Best sights on the market
Apologies for late communication but dude’s mr MFJJ is a masterpiece of knowledge appreciate you all loving the amazing content ❤️✌️🖐👌🖐🤙
Finally someone got it right!! When will this be available? Dual pin was great but definitely needed this addition!
Trophy ridge owned the patent until this past June.
Can you bottom out the bottom pin and measure with calipers the center to center distance between the top and bottom? Trying to understand what my range would be with this sight and my setup. Thanks!
I used to shoot with a Spot hog Hog Father single pin and I haven't come close to shooting that well since I sold it due to hard times. Black Gold is cheaper and just might get my cash when I buy my new hunting bow this winter.
Looking to order this sight with the Mathews specific dovetail from MFJJ since my local proshop doesnt seem to have them. Just wondering if he has any idea as to how soon he will have these.
With the dual indicators, Once set up to both pins…are the needles accurate throughout the entire range of the tape? In other words, once you pick your site tape using the 20-60 method, and set your bottom pin to what ever yardage or gap you want…anytime you dial out, will that bottom pin indicator be exact to wherever it lands? I’m sorry if this makes little to no sense. I’m just wondering if with this sight, you have to pins that have known a yardage at any given range in the dial. Unlike my BG 3 pin where once I dial, only my bottom pin is now known.
My V3-31 is 80% LO
My V3X 29 is 80% LO
My Triax was 75% LO.
I don’t like high let off either.
I am 28” draw so I want that extra speed from the 80%.
Like MFJJ says it definitely does point better.
Great video FFMJ!! Would you be able to do a separate video on how to setup first axis like you described in the video. Many of us have moved the cam around to get it tuned but have not gone back to change first axis on the sight. Thanks
We've done quite a few bow build videos on the channel where we address how to do this, let me know if you need specific links!
ruclips.net/video/5oaIzyMew60/видео.html
Awesome thanks!!
How much better are the pro pins than the standard pins? I've ran a CBE Tek Hybrid .010 single pin for 8 years tree stand hunting, but I am going to switch to a 3 pin for my first elk hunt due to pin durability issues with the older CBE. Is the pro hunter that much better than the mountain lite or ascent verdict?
Bridge Lock is really cool in theory.... but when most sights run out of wind adjustment, maybe not so much. It would be nice to get that review of which sights have more of an issue with this.
That's what I was thinking too...
But in the future I think there will be more and more sights that are specificly designed to work with that mounting system
Do you prefer the dual pin vs the single pin sight?
What is the weight of the dual trac with the dove trail?
So do I get this sight or the Axcel Landslyde Accustat II? Which one is lighter?
MSRP? Can you buy the head and replace existing?
How do I get a hold of you to pre order 1 and a dove tail to fit v3x
Thoughts on a resistance activated releases?
Preorder a the dovetail from mfjj?or are they already spoken for?
Any opinion on redline slides? Good for the price?
Can this sight be mounted on the side vs a dovetail
Aww man should have got the triple stack !!! It’s bombproof
I didn't get either... YET.
@@ElkShape I pre ordered mine , it took like 8 months , but it’s awesome for sure
Do u have any dovetail bars available
Why do you prefer 450 grain arrows versus the more heavy FOC 600-650 grain arrows?
I won't speak for the man, but i believe 400-500 is the perfect weight coming out of a compound. Creating a huge pin gap and lowering accuracy is creating the reason that a "plan b" is needed. Speed is forgiveness.
I personally belive this is the second most silly recent fad, only coming in second to the clowns wearing a saddle while standing in a $500 hang on.
Any idea on how long it will take to get the duel tracks in with out a dovetail? I want one with a base, rather its x or mountain lite I am not sure yet.
Really don't want to go for one of thier customs, I doubt I will get that before the season opens up in August.
New bow should be here right after Xmas.
Do you guys prefer .19 or .10 sized pins for hunting?
0.19 for me -DS
On 3pin heads i like 19 19 10. At 40 I find the 19 blocks too much for me.
Will there be a Hoyt rail option on this sight?
Already available on BG website
Give it to me straight... Hogg Father double pin or MBG Dual Trac?
...TBD...we have one more video on the subject coming out sooner than later! -DS
Black gold DUAL TRAC sight are you selling them at your shop?
They're ordered but not in stock yet... couple week outs.
I was about to buy a fast Eddie triple stack but this sight might change things
So … same. I went into to film vlog MFJJ and by the end of the video he had me rethinking things. #ABT -Dan
@@ElkShape...Yep, wasn't going to change brands with that triple stack..just buying time until BG catches up...and it looks like they did! Cheers
Is this available with a 2” housing? What about both pins the same color?
I ordered 75 E 80 mods yesterday
I ordered m bow in that spec but they thought 85 was better 🙃
It would be awesome if the top pin came down from the top and the other lower pin was mounted like it is from the bottom and still be adjustable. BUT THATS THE NEXT MODEL TO COME OUT HA HA!!!
1st axis does not need to be level to the string. It CAN be. It can also be level to the riser... or your natural lean... the part that is mandatory is that the 2nd axis is perfectly married to the 1st axis... This 1st axis debate is common and I see people arguing all the time over levelling to string or riser and both are adamant they are right because they have done it their way for 30 years with zero issues.... Funny thing is, they are BOTH right, and both wrong. It can be either, so long as the 2nd axis is married to the first... Archery is brutal with poor information and that's often because there's more than 1 way to do things yet many people do not realize that, and they create a point for argument and confusion where there shouldn't be.
The reason it does not matter is because your arrows nocking point is in the same place all the time, and so is your rest. If you nocked your arrow up and down in different spots on your string, then it would make sense to level the 1st axis off your string, but the nocking point is always at one single point that never changes. It is static, and is repeated at full draw every time, and your rest position is also static and repeated at full draw every time. To shoot distance, the nock point and rest do not change, the angle at which you hold the entire system changes to send the arrow in a higher arch/trajectory. IF you did move your arrow up and down the string to shoot different distances, then first axis would be tied to the string, and conversely if you moved your rest to changed the distance of the arrow, the 1st axis would be tied to the riser... but we do not do that, they are static, and we only move our sight.... This is why 1st axis is not tied to anything in particular, it is only the base of how you set your following axis. Hopefully that helps people understand why it works this way... or maybe I just confused people... but at the end of the day if you level it to your string or riser, you are both fine.
Hopefully someone on the channel sees this and shares this on a future video. I know I am watching this 2 years after it was released so maybe mfj has shared this info since, but if not, hopefully they share this with viewers and help put it to bed.
@elkshape- MFJJ When will the next dovetail be in stock...Can I pre-order one!
good question... call the shop... I am interested as well! -DS
@@ElkShape Called the shop and they do not have an ETA on them. They are not taking pre-order!
@@anthonycecala5678 That's about to change... be on the lookout for an option to pre-order at podiumarcher website! -DS
Hopefully they come out with a 3 or 4 pin.
why need it
MFJJ is wealth of knowledge but he was not accurately describing 1st axis. 1st axis can best be described like this. If you invision a vertical plane that lays flat against the front of your scope or sight housing. Meaning if the front of your sight housing is a wall, that is your first axis. You should get that plane parallel with your string.
2nd Axis: Which is what MFJJ was describing as 1st axis is on a plane that travels in a vertical plane up from the pin towards the string. This insures that if your pin is pointing perfectly vertical, so is your string, and then you adjust the sight bubble level to center.
3rd Axis: Can be thought of best as insuring your 1st axis being at a perfectly right angle to your 2nd axis.
In summary... let's use your phone screen as an example. 1st axis is you pointing the screen up or down. 2nd axis is you tilting left or right, 3rd axis is you pointing it left and right. All of them being perfect would be a perfectly vertical, perfectly horizontal, and pointing directly at your face.
First ! Love this damn channel
Western hunting is not best for single pins. Plus, you should not focus on the target. Focus on the pin. As far as single pins go, I’ve had far more issues than with my five pin black gold pro. Western hunting is far more unpredictable than white tail hunting in the south. My experience.
Love you vids typically... but in this one... you don't need to use the Lord's name in vain!