UAW-Stellantis Deal Promises a New Ram Midsize Truck for the U.S.! Will It Be the Dakota or Rampage?
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They should do the Rampage as their entry into the small compact truck market and bring back the Dakota to the midsize market. The Rampage can be the EV/hybrid option and the Dakota be the hybrid/ ICE option. Hopefully if the Dakota is brought back, it should be able to be had with a high output ICE option like the 3.0 L Hurricane if not a new rumoured V8 option.
So, my take away is this. I work for Mopar. We have around 34 workers that came here from Belvedere, when it was closed. I was told our E coat paintline is going to Belvedere and we were going to be moved to a mega parts hub in Romeo. So majority of mopar facilities will be closed and combined. Im glad the workers from Belvedere are able to return home. Any questions, let me know.
When are they releasing the dakota
Yes, prices will be going up at least $900 per vehicle. And they are already toooooo expensive.
Tesla is lowering prices.
I am hoping for a new Dakota. I owned a 1997 Dakota with the 5.2L V8 for almost 20 years and loved it. Was an amazing truck, very capable. Would be nice to see that nameplate come back.
Fuel economy sucked but my uncle had the same truck for around that long as well. They seemed to hold up better than the full sized Dodges which had front end issues, lots of rust etc.
I had a 2000 5.9L V8 Dakota 4x4 and loved loved loved that truck. Sadly, a bimbo pulled out in front of me around 2008 and totaled it out on me. Missed that truck ever sense and honestly I do not think I have seen one in at least 10 years.
If they do Right by it I think bringing back the Dakota could be could. I hope they put in a strong for the class ICE. While I don't remember the year for sure, I think 90 something, I to had a Dakota with the 318. It was white. I miss that Truck.
Yes, I agree, really liked the Mid. Size Dakota truck.
If they base a Dakota on the gladiator, it wouldn't take a huge amount of development either. A new cab and bed. Frame, suspension, power train stay the same
A Ram would need an independent front suspension, Gladiator has a solid front axle.
@@user-pgchargerse71 good point. I still don't think it would take much though since it's a ladder frame
If it's based on the Gladiator hopefully it will have good room in the back seat like the jeep does. The only thing keeping me from a mid size is they are still compacts on the inside
Hybrid Ram Rampage could be insane
How about the UAW gives us better quality if they are getting more pay.
Maybe the design engineers could learn to do a better job at design level. Stellantis is just Fiat, not known for great design and quality.
LOL, what a jokester.
Are the hamburgers you're flipping better now that you got a raise?
@heathwirt8919 I have no idea but I would think you could take more pride in your job if you are getting more money. But that's just me. I guess some people only work for a paycheck and don't care about anything past that.
@@thebeddoctor4273 both I'm here to do the job I was hired to do to the best of my ability nothing more nothing less but that's just my work ethic I personally feel people who define their lives by their careers are weird
Vehicles that start out in other countries and are from a Domestic brand, but are later sold in the U.S., never sell well. They usually become dated very fast. It would be much better if it was designed from the ground up. A good example is the last and current gen Ford Ranger.
No mid-size truck sells well compared to the Tacoma.
@Le_Charente The Chevy Trax Sold in the USA started out as the Chevy Seeker in China 🇨🇳. It seems to be selling well because of the the low price ( if you can get past the turbo 3). North American Trax are built in S Korea to skirt Chinese Tariffs but it and the Buick Envista have been available in china for a while.
Jeep Cherokees days were numbered.
In 2022 the Jeep Cherokee sold less than half as many units as the Jeep Compass, and 1/9th as many as the market leader (Rav4). Factor in the other leaders like CR-V (heavily refreshed), the Equinox (which has quietly been a very strong seller), Rogue (newly improved), Tuscson, CX-5, Forester: its nearest competitor in sales is the Mitsubishi Outlander and that's newly refreshed as well.
They could spend a bunch of resources trying to update it to be slightly competitive, or they could look at the rapid drop in sales from 2020 and the hot resurgence in smaller trucks and be competitive again. Customers could always step down to the compass or up to the Grand Cherokee.
Scorpions! I approve of Nathan's musical taste. All of the Rush t-shirts over the years have proven repeatedly that he is a good guy.
I made the same comment. We need to see more rock on TFL!
Why not both?
What would be great would be Dakota AND Rampage 4xEs with AC outlets in the cab AND bed
They are currently building 2 battery electric plants in Kokomo Indiana right next to the engine plant. Which is also where they build transmissions and make the components that go into these transmissions.
The Rampage looks great and would probably sell quite well here in North America.
If it's not 35k or above.
@@ava9oh1282000 It would have to be well under 30K to compete with the Maverick.
No just make a dakota
Unlikely to be the Rampage. How will they compete with MSRP of the Maverick built in Mexico with american labor that just increased in price? With half ton pickup prices well beyond the average consumers budget and the state of the economy and interest rates I suspect they are forecasting a large move to smaller vehicles and without a mid size offering they will be out of the competition. I don't even think its an option at this point considering the lots full of half tons and jeeps. Probably a survival move. I am not a Ram fan but the rampage looks nice and the sooner they bring it to the american market the sooner the ford dealers will have to drop their greedy markups on mavericks due to competition. Then we just need chevy to bring back the LUV name.
The Rampage chassis should be very close to the Cherokee chassis. If that's what they are going to put in Belvedere it would not cost that much or take that much time to retool the plant.
Converting the plant to body on frame would be a major refit. That makes me think it will likely be the Rampage.
It would make more sense for a Dakota to be built alongside the Gladiator. That line used to crank out several times the Gladiator numbers and could again.
I hope this midsize ram will be body on frame and not unibody.
I feel a 90 day period for new hires instead of 9 months should have been fought for.
Exactly that's sounds fair
Always cool to see Nathan slipping in a Scorpions shirt, or a Rush hat (haven't seen that one in a long time).
I work for CDJR Dealership in Northern Illinois just south of Belvidere. Everything we have seen suggests it will be Dakota built on the Gladiator frame. With the Toledo plant already ready making as many Wranglers and Gladiators it does and the wait times currently, it does not make sense to cram another vehicle in that plant even if it use the Gladiator under pinnings. Based on how that plant has been setup in the past it will likely be the Dakota, and it will it should be out be mid 2025. It will also likely help create the 4xe drivetrain for the Dakota and Gladiator.
Nice T-shirt. I still remember getting the Love at First Sting album in the mail 1984 from my BMG music club. I couldn't afford it of course, but great album.
Can't wait for that base model $65k RAM truck to cost $75k.
Would Stellantis bring a mid-size truck to RAM if they already have a mid-size truck with the Jeep Gladiator? A RAM compact truck to go against the Ford Maverick and Hyundai Santa Cruz would make more since for fleet vehicles.
I don’t see why they wouldn’t, especially if it uses ifs instead of a solid axle and has more cab and bed options
Every Jeep SUV and The Dodge Durango seem to coexist peacefully. The Chrysler 300 and the Dodge Charger are roughly the same size and volume and have coexisted nicely for some time so why wouldn't the Ram Dakota coexist peacefully with the Jeep Gladiator? They are two distinctly different vehicles marketed to different audiences, I see no problem here.
They are good looking pickups (trucks to me, they have a box).
The problem is that Stellantis are the most expensive trucks, feature for feature, of all the 1/2 ton to HD trucks!!! WITH THE OLD POWERTRAINS!!!
If they can't get to being competitive without offering huge discounts their lots are going to remain full. A fully loaded Limited Ram 1500 with the old 5.7 Hemi is almost identical in price to the F150 Limited WITH THE HYBRID AND 7.2 kw ProPower Onboard!!!! A much more powerful and feature laden, useful arrangement.
Here in Canada they have 10% discounts on the Ram 1500s and that makes them as 2023s competitive with the 2024 GMs WITH the 3.0 diesel or 6.2 if you are so inclined. They are in trouble. Here the Ram lots are overflowing. Gladiators come in but don't go out!!! My buddy's dealership has 34 Gladiators and even the holdover diesels he can't sell!! Too much $$ for what you get! Resale on them is dropping as well so he is backwards on his used Gladiators. He never charged over MSRP, even for the HellCat vehicles and final special orders. He's just not like that. MSRP on vehicles like that was a dream in his world!! He has a couple of hundred Ram 1500s and 1500 Classics including brand new, well optioned 2022 models!!! He has a few dozen HD trucks as well but it's become an inventory of all Limiteds because he can't sell them!!
He also has a Ford dealership,,,, he has a few F150s ,, 2 - F250s and no F350s or higher. They all sell prior to making it in the lot (and Ford is d'mn expensive as well). He stills the vast majority of his F150s on order or prior to arrival. Mavericks, all sell prior to arrival, but he has noticed a drop in order numbers on the Maverick.
His other vehicles have inventories he is ok with except for Raptors. That's a dealership thing with Ford that's kind of controversial. Here at least.
Vehicle sales will take the most serious beating in the next solid economic drop,,, which could be poorly timed for them!!! It's just around the corner!!
Considering the last Rampage from years ago was a K-car with a bed, I'll take it.
The wife works for Stellantis and she signed multiple NDAs and couldn’t tell me a thing. So one day at dinner and 3 glasses of Merlot later she spilled the beans. I know all about the Rampage, challengers and chargers with the new hurricane engine and a few special edition vehicles that I will keep secret. But once they come out people will get pissed because this is supposedly “last call”.
Like the "scorpions" shirt. Good album too!!
I'm excited about the release!
Why not both (Dakota and Rampage) on the same model an platform? This would cut cost and speed up the development.
So if the Rampage is already tested in the USA and could get homolized (safety and emissions) for US markets, then they could stretch wheelbase and bed and give it different powertrain options and call this: Dakota.
Stellantis has done this before with a different brand and it was a crossover, but they did it. I am talking about the Peugeot 3008/ 5008. Same platform, but different sizes.
So they could start with the Rampage, and could built it even in Mexico for US markets and use this base to devolp a midsize unibody truck and call it Dakota for the US plant 😊
Another soultion would be an in-betweener. Maybe the Rampage is bigger then you guys think and sits right in the middle of Maverick and Ranger. And so they use the name Rampage for South America and Dakota for USA.
Besides you know the measurements from the Rampage, then theorie number 2 is already over 😅
Belvedere is a unibody plant. It would seem likely anything they build there would be unibody. Using an ICE platform for a BEV usually doesn't work very well.
Hoping for Dakota as well. Probably will be a plugin hybrid.
Why not the Plymouth Scamp? wasn't it built there before
I have converted all my home yard tool to Ego (full electric blower, weed trimmer, and chain saw) and I will NEVER go back to gas. They are hands down better in every way than gas. They are quiet, I don't smell like exhaust afterwards, its very easy to keep a few batteries charged, I don't have to keep gas around, and far less vibrations. But as you guys note, a truck is very different than power tools.
11:23 The Rampage will likely stay the same for its original market down in South America. However we may still likely get either it and or a Ram Dakota.
Regarding the point of the modular nature and fewer parts lowering the cost of EV's... You're right, it will lower the cost. However, you're wrong in thinking that will drop retail prices. This is America, land of the shareholder is king. Decreasing cost just means more profits for shareholders.
Very interesting!!! Technically they’re different classes of vehicles even if the Rampage has a high payload capacity.
I've been on board with Andre's sentiments for years. I have been a big fan of the development of the battery technology in the yard tool market. Develop the technology there first...then apply it to the vehicle market. Besides, wouldn't it be great to be able to pull a battery out of your car, stick in the wall charger and replace it with one off the shelf? Granted that is a bazillion years down the road, but only serves to illustrate my point...you gotta develop the concept further before we can get rid of the ICE totally. I'll buy into a plug in hybrid, but that's about as far as I'll go vehicle wise.
I hope they put an updated 3.6 pentastar in the Dakota! The 3.6 is a good proven reliable engine. It just needs a torque bump!
The Rampage is already for sale in Brasil, its a matter of short time until have it for sale in the USA. I think...
Personally, I would rather see the automakers go the way of Hybrids. I don't think our infrastructure is up to the task of total electrification. I've also been hearing a lot about some of the alternative fuels, I'm open to that, as long as the prices can be kept down. I also believe, we just need to start drilling our own oil again, wouldn't that be nice.
My guess given the urge of PSA managment that everything is just Coachwork that a Dakota would be a STLA Large Ridgeline basically Ram Grand Cherokee. The idea of a BOF MeTo in that crowded segment would be silly. ..... I think they should also bring the Rampage to NA........ KM was originally supposed to sit on CUSW but I think now it will be on a Short STLA Large.
The Rampage is a Compass with a bed(and long wheelbase). When you enter the Rampage as a driver all the dimensions are the same as the Compass(in this case the same as Fiat Toro). Remember that Compass is as wide as a Renegade. So its a very compact car on steroids. Dont get fooled. Im from Brazil, ive never entered in a Hyundai santa Cruz to check the interior space but i've got the numbers for front shoulder room on both(Santa Cruz - 57.6 in ; Rampage - 55.9 in ; Maverick - 57.3 in). As you can see the rampage is the most compact out there.
A mild hybrid hurricane Dakota would be really cool but probably $65,000 at the currently trajectory.
I love the Scorpions shirt Nathan!
It feels very late. I’m totally interested in a brand new Dakota. Give me something with Ram’s interior quality and power in a smaller package and a moderate price point and I’m sold. The problem is that this truck is probably years’ away, and I’m in the market for a new truck now. Also, every one of their competitors is beating them to the market on a midsize truck, and their current offering in that segment is divisive. You either want a Gladiator or you don’t. I personally do not
Stellantis current midsize pickups aside from Gladiator are rebadged Chinese pickups, usually developments of an old Nissan/Datsun pickup.
Side note. I actually owned that gas weed trimmer. It is garbage. No torque, bogs down in thicker grass. Four cycles have no power compared to the old two-stroke . Switched over to Milwaukee electric. Best decision ever.
4:56 might not actually take as many years. There’s a gladiator. . They’ll likely make a non removable doors, roof windows etc. version = new Ram Dakota.
As you guys have shown yourselves, towing with a BEV is very limited on range. One word for that. Hydrogen!!! Would love to see you guys explore that topic more and what is being done around the world regarding Hydrogen as an alternative fuel.
Honestly I'm just hoping to see the hurricane 1500 at this point. Thought it would have hit by now.
Not until 2025MY, expect unveil sometime next year.
Most average Americans can't afford nothing now, what a great time to bring another new truck. Let's hope the build quality is up with the high price, which I doubt it will
Put the straight 6 in it with 4x4 and 6 speed transmission and just basic needs for comfort.
I'm stoked for the idea of the Rampage. If it really is size comparable to a Maverick then it fits well into the truck size I would like to see. I just worry that Ram is going to shoot themselves in the foot by trying to do what they're doing in SA and make them luxury style vehicles and charge a stupid amount for them. Converted pricing, which isn't perfect, puts them starting at nearly double the cost of a Maverick. If that becomes reality then they'll never sell here as people would just buy a 1500 for that price.
Also I hope the 2L turbo diesel manages to make its way here. I know it won't, but a man can dream can't he.
The dealerships have already been marking up cars past MSRP.
The Dakota's will be targeted mostly at the Ranger, GM twins. They also need a Rampage Hybrid to compete with the Maverick Hybrid. Regarding the contracts...The car makers don't HAVE to raise prices. If they do, they're just screwing their customers. Profits have gonna way up. The UAW wanted raises because they feel they should benefit from these huge profit increases. Car makers could take these raises out of their profits and STILL be more profitable than they were in 2019.
3:55 that has been a rumour for 5y.
are those two trimmers equitable? I know you're trying prove point though
I suspect that the strimmer price is for the bare tool with battery and charger available at extra cost. Perhaps this would be a good model for electric trucks, with the truck at one price and batteries listed separately? Nissan tried a similar model with the Leaf where the battery was available on a separate lease agreement.
2 ah battery and charger included.
@@pyroretired In my experience a little 2Ah battery will only power a strimmer for 10 minutes or possibly less. It is also likely to be 12V rather than 18V. Take Milwaukee as an example; a standard Red Lithium 18V 5ah battery costs nearly $70 while you can get XC [high output] and their highest output of all, the new ‘Forge’ series. All 18V 5ah batteries. The latter two at higher cost than the already class leading Red Lithium standard model. The bare Forge 6ah 18V battery costs nearly £199 as I understand it. No tool, just the battery. By contrast a M12 2ah battery cost $26 on Amazon.
The future will be bright. Trucks to dream about…
That truck will likely be based on the mid-sized Mistubishi Triton/Strada. Hopefully, as it will be BOF and match current international mid size trucks.
I'm not sure how that will work out, Chrysler/Stellantis and Mitsubishi no longer have a relationship. Maybe they'll use a modified version of the Jeep Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer platform.
@@damilolaakanniI was thinking of the RAM 1200, but now I read it's going to unibody.
@damilolaakanni they had the fiat fullback/ram 1200 pickups a couple of years ago based on the Mitsubishi l200 so never say never?
as long as they can make available under 30k i thing it will be a good sale
Andrey I personally would want to see the Dakota back cause The Dakota The Colorado The Ranger The Tacoma they are easier to fit into a urban residential garage than a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton truck
I’m sorry I just don’t see this working out too well I know they are trying to save themselves but the impact is already too big. They are going to definitely need a miracle to overcome this.
Isn’t Belvedere set up for unibody production?
The Cherokee was unibody.
Remember in 2010, when 13 Chrysler employees from the Detroit Jefferson Assembly Plant, got busted drinking and smoking weed on their lunch break???
The UAW forced Chrysler to RE-HIRE them after they were terminated for breaking company drug and safety policy.
Now, I’m 420 friendly, but it made me wonder what other laws they could break, without any repercussions.
I heard of a Jeep Compass mid size pickup to compete with the Maverick
Need to compare 40V battery tools to gas tools.
9:22 I thought Craftsman was Canadian 🤔
Nathan we all know the only people that will be paying the UAW workers will be consumers. The checks will have the GM, Ford and Stellantis' name on the paycheck but, we know that $100,000 vehicle will have an additional $800 to $1,000 more tacked on to the MSRP. Merry Christmas everybody. Not a fan of unions at all. Never have been. Andre don't forget to tack on another 40 to 80 dollars for a longer running battery when you have to purchase a new battery for that electric trimmer. Batteries are not universal in which you can go buy any trimmer when the trimmer you stops working and the trimmer you have will not work with the battery of the old trimmer. You toss your old batteries and get a new trimmer and a couple of longer lasting batteries. I don't mean to be a stick in the mud but, these are things you have to think about with electric anything.
Just go hybrid to trucks you have a lot of people buying those and if they’re plug-in hybrid for around town you have a lot of people buying them also add a diesel to that hybrid you’ll get more range out of it even if it’s a small diesel like a I4 diesel like Chevrolet had that they could bring back and make it a hybrid combination.
If you say battery then its a unibody not body on frame..IF..thats a BIG if they share the same body..now if its two separate platforms 1 EV and the other GAS..
Papa Smurf I like your Scorpions 🦂 t shirt
I can see the rampage being built at that plant since it is already outfitted for unabody construction. The dakota I can see replacing the 1500 classic assembly line when they kill off that truck.
Honestly, I think the automakers should have said no to the UAW and just hired non union workers to keep the prices down. Now we are all going to suffer, and the automotive market might crash because of union workers' greed.
Unifor got the big 3 in Canada to agreements also
The union agreement Not great for MSRP prices, which are already Insane!!
Can the Ram Electric Vehicles, Can the Belvedere battery plant. Put those savings towards lowering ICE vehicle costs.
Could be both
That’s great and I do wish that the RUclips video had captioning because I’m not able to hear because of having 4 brain tumors removed that caused my deafness
You might have to wait a little longer. Normally the auto generated things take some time to come up
I clicked on the "CC" worked fine for me.
As if trucks don't cost too much already, now besides making them more expensive the UAW wants to determine what manufacturers make?🤨
3:00 Toyota called their truck midsize. Uhh. 3:20
I am sure we will not see any actual product for at least 2 to 3 years. The price will be too expensive for what it is. Cool looking , but how long before incentives are offered to move product.
The Rampage costs $23,400 to manufacture.
Yeah a Dakota with the inline 6 Hurricane engine
Stelantis has a Fiat truck internationally that could be the foundation for this new vehicle?
Looks lime ridgeline in the rear
So you're saying before it took *longer* than 9 months of temp work to be offered full-time employment?!?
9 months is longer than a third of first year accountants last as full-time hires: with health benefits and salary and 401ks and everything. And those line workers aren't even considered employees until then. Wild
It used to be 90 days before all the concessions started.
Big news = much higher pricing
They will just jack up the prices so it’s a waste of time.
Only interested in the rampage if its 20k
Guys, is it true that Kia will be launching an Ute or pickup truck?
Not in the US
Hopefully this is not an all electric truck or a plug in hybrid which are useless hopefully it is a gas engine and is good off road this truck will probably be 55 to 60 k
Needs a new engine to go with it. what they have now is not competitive .
And chevrolet really needs to bring back the S-10 and gmc the S-15
Great, Ram get another truck but everyone gets to pay even more for all these vehicles because of the UAW! Manufacturers with just raise prices to meet thier demands. We will be averaging $50-60K for an average ride!!!
I am gonna be claping my 12v for years. They can try to sell the battery crap to other people
I hear 30k for this new truck that too much! The poor and fast food type workers will still be priced out! I think all customers don't matter!🎉🎉🎉😢😢😢😢
Wait what, you mean to tell me already overpriced vehicles will get even more expensive? All I can do is LOL, I’ll be keeping my current vehicles even longer then.
This needs to come to the UK with the steering wheel on the correct side of the vehicle
@6:19 that's called corporate greed. Profit, whatever it is, is never enough so yeah we consumers will be screwed.... Whether or not UAW would've successfully achieved everything they did in this new contract, the big 3 will always increase costs because they are greedy assholes.
if it's going to cost an arm and a leg...... don't bother making it. We already have those.
We don't have enough power plants. Children are digging up cobalt in Africa, water use to make batteries cannot be used again battery cars cause more pollution. Everything is dead around the cobalt mines.
Rampage or Dakota...yuck. I think they're late to the game. If either comes to our market, neither won't sell well because they're going to price it at $40-50k. No one is going to buy these for that price....and if they're able to price it lower, it's not going to be as capable as a maverick or even a stana cruz. The Cherokee and even a Renegade will be, in my opinion, more capable. Just my 2 cents.