MTA Also purchased 92 MCI D45 CRTs and 5 MCI D45 CRT CHARGE Buses, all of these buses are purchased without competitive bidding, just like those 5 Solaris Urbino NAe40 buses from Poland. The CRTs are expected to retire the D4500CTs and a few 2011 Prevosts from NYCTA.
Glad I am of use for these update videos. Given some recent developments, once the MTA Bus 40-foot Diesel orders are done, it would be an end-of-an-era as these would be the last fleet of 40-foot Diesel's to be introduced to service.
Definitely, the information you provide is greatly appreciated. Stunning to see the conclusion of what has essentially become a tradition for the MTA: Ordering Diesel Novas and New Flyers together throughout the years (2011, 2015, 2019, 2022, and present). It feels like each bus iteration has built up to the current moment of deliveries for MTA Bus
I'm not too sure about that now given how some electric bus orders are in jeopardy of being canceled due to lack of funding. There were a few articles about that recently.
For real man, I remember when they first came out in mass in 2003. While I don't remember the # of my first ever Orion 7, I do remember that 2003 Orion 7.501 CNG #7575 was among the first OGs I ever caught that Summer/Fall on the B65 (back when JG Depot had that route). My first Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid was #3802 back in August 2009 on the M104.
Just a small correction @18:59, at their peak, the Orion 7.501 OGs totaled #1085 units. That's after you also include the 2001-2005 Orion 7.501 OG CNGs #7560-7819 as well.
Goodnight sir and Thank-you once again for giving us another great video from next stop news. The Orion VII O.G and Next-Gens Hybrids. Really had big shoes to fill . When they Had came in to brand new to MTA Bus. MTA Bus Company was new also to begin sir. Not to get of topic sir. But the Orion VII O.G and Next-Gens had replaced the majority of MTA Bus Local Bus fleet GMC RTS and yes most of them where still in there original Private Bus Operators color paint. Sir The MCI Classic the ones with two doors and TMC RTS series. I am still surprised that the Orion VII O.G and Next-Gens Hybrids lasted as long as they did sir. Especially when they came to MTA Bus brand new. From 2006-2007 to 2021 to 2024 and the Next-Gens from 2008-untill the present sir. Thank-you once again for this video sir.
@@MagicMike-rd8mz Good night, thanks for watching! It is my pleasure to make these videos. Indeed the Orions did, and although in my opinion, the Hybrids couldn’t fully live up to their predecessors, they definitely created a unique legacy of their own. It is very likely that the Old Gens and Hawkers would have been retired much quicker had the NYCT orders not been as delayed, as it would have allowed Lithiums to transfer out much quicker. The goal of fully killing Old Gens with ex-NYCT NGs was really only fully met at LaGuardia. Also, the MTA BC orders faced some delays also, but not as badly as the NYCT orders did.
IIRC, The 2006-2007 Orion 7.501 OG Hybrids (#3500-3783, ordered along side #6690-6905), replaced the ex-PBL 1984-86 GMC RTS 04s, transit spec'd 1988-89 MCI Classics, the 1993-94 TMC CNG RTS O6s, many of the worst 1993-94 TMC RTS O6s (Diesels) and some Ex NYCTA 1990-1991 TMC RTS 06s (#8000-8396, repowered units) and 1993 Orion 5.501 Diesels (#101-316). The NG Hybrids replaced the rest of the TMCs and earlier Orion 5s.
According to a recent YT post by Ulti, it is slated that all NG’s are to be retired by this Fall. However due to recent delays, some NG’s may make it to late 2024 to early 2025. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxhrqGytvNPePPfmO5GwYim2Eaqcnq45ur?si=Op0aaTTYxiJGZaWH
Should the Next Gen Orion VII's make it till 2025, it would be 50-75 units remaining. It is looking like the OA/TA units would be gone by the end of December.
Manhattanville’s next gens are showing their age too, my mom works there and she says they are old… time will tell when they retire their last 19 units…
Could the Tuskegee Airmen bus depot be closed down because of a leak problem that forces the Novabus LFS HEV's #9620-#9639 and the Novabus LFSAs & the XD60s be moving to the Manhattanville bus depot permanently by 2025 (next year), Techno 7843?
cp holds onto three main units, being 4119, 4278, 4601. on some afternoons laguardia sends two or more next gens but never just one and then they go back the next day like jfk loaning for spring creek but it just happened yesterday so you couldn't fit it in. i always wonder why laguardia never sends xd40s cause they're both new flyers, and maybe a weird suggestion, let baisley do the q65 school tripper to goethals
That is a good point. LGA used to send the 2015 XD40s to College Point, but now they simply don't do so anymore. It's weird how 4119 is commonly at CP, given how it has all those LGA stickers lmao. Also that is true, the closer the vid is to releasing, the harder it is for me to fit the newest developments into it
@@Techno-ov5ss at some points 4196 and 4557 were units with the actual physical cp stickers but they aren't long term but are afternoon. i think the way it works is cp holds onto only three units at their depot. 4119 went back to laguardia a few days ago and 4196 was at cp to replace the time 4119 wasn't at cp
I don't really get the difference between the LFS coneheads. But I don't really know the reason why LFS were removed from Ulmer Park years ago or even no LFS in the Brooklyn depots. What I thought was the capacity or turning since the front of the buses stick out.
I'm not sure of the official reason, but it definitely helped for fleet uniformity. The Order I and II Coneheads are identical, and nearly identical to the NYCT Coneheads despite for some minor adjustments. However, the main differences that set them apart from the 2019 LFSs are the HVAC unit and the backdoor width
At the time, the MTA wanted to separate bus type by depot division. Kinda like how back in the day you could only find Orion 5.501s in certain depots and RTS's everywhere else.
@@dodge1515 I do remember that. Orion Vs mainly being a Bronx/Staten Island thing, while RTSs were more predominant in the boroughs except for Staten Island
@@Techno-ov5ss There were RTS's on SI too, but many were for Express service until the MCIs started arriving in the late 1990s. RTS's were over there as late as 2008 until the NG Hybrids kicked them off the island.
Now that Congestion Pricing is paused, what is going to happen now with the ex-NJ Transit 2008-2009 MCI’s that the MTA recently purchased? I am referring to the units that MCI built for the MTA back in 2008-2009 and were supposed to be numbered as 2251-2268. I heard that 2200 ex-NJ Transit 7106 has been officially repainted into the “Blue and White Livery” on May 14th, 2024. And not only that, it is also reported that this will be the first time since 2007 that the MTA will be purchasing buses in the “Black-back” since the moment when the Original Generation Orion 7 Hybrid’s were new to MTA Property for both NYCT and MTA Bus Company. I really do hope that those ex-NJ Transit MCI’s can enter service. These buses are supposed to go to Castleton Depot in Staten Island.
I think they'll still enter service, since it is true that some of them have already received their MTA livery, and most if not all of them are on property, waiting for their repaints. They're at Eastchester for storage. Worst case scenario, a few enter service and the rest get scrapped
@@dodge1515You are wrong in this case. Why? Because someone showed me a picture of 2200 (ex-NJ Transit 7106) already repainted into the “Blue and White Livery” and the bus was in the “Black-back.” It was officially confirmed to be repainted into the MTA Livery on May 14th, 2024. In the beginning, I thought that the rejected units will be repainted into the new “Blue and Gold Livery.” When NJ Transit purchased the rejected D4500CT’s that MCI built for the MTA, all those buses were delivered in the “Black-back.” The only thing that we are willing to know is if the “Rear Destination Sign Panel” will be restored in the back of the bus. The buses came with the “Rear Signs” but were removed a few years later.
JFK eliminated their old gens on March 25th, not the 22nd. 4680, 4257, and 4445 was also delivered to JFK from LGA along with 4266, 4398, 4422, and 4514
Hey im a mta bus company operator bus buses from yonkers deport that are provest doing a swap with Laguardia deport with there mci they started this week with it i will let you know all the provest buses swap that is going to laguardia
@Techno-ov5ss Yes I was sooo disappointed by that. I was looking forward to them, hopefully NYCT will make it up to KB and let us be the 1st depot to get the new Xn60's next Fall!!
@@Techno-ov5ss NYCT's update is sure to be a doosy as there are several bus orders that are going to be significantly delayed (if not canceled) due to CP being put on pause. The option R-211A and R-262 and R-268 orders are also in trouble...
My childhood is fading away man I will miss the Orion 7 series
Same here
Keep them onions 7s in museum and NGs Hawker and Lithiums
@@Techno-ov5ssHey I caught the Q24 short-turn to Archer Av/Sutphin Bl yesterday! Does anyone have a video of this?
@@Techno-ov5ss Me too.
I wonder how quickly those Orion NGs are decreasing at Eastchester, Baisley Park, JFK and LaGuardia as of today.
Rest In Peace MTA Bus Old Gens 2006-2024
Rest In Peace Hawker XT Next Gens 2008-2024. You will be missed
MTA Also purchased 92 MCI D45 CRTs and 5 MCI D45 CRT CHARGE Buses, all of these buses are purchased without competitive bidding, just like those 5 Solaris Urbino NAe40 buses from Poland. The CRTs are expected to retire the D4500CTs and a few 2011 Prevosts from NYCTA.
MTA also getting more Prevost to retire the remaining CL units
I drove every last unit that ran out of JFK until Sept 2023. I was not expecting all of our OGs and NG being replaced that fast too
Glad I am of use for these update videos. Given some recent developments, once the MTA Bus 40-foot Diesel orders are done, it would be an end-of-an-era as these would be the last fleet of 40-foot Diesel's to be introduced to service.
I believe the amount of Orion NGs at JFK have dropped, right?
Definitely, the information you provide is greatly appreciated. Stunning to see the conclusion of what has essentially become a tradition for the MTA: Ordering Diesel Novas and New Flyers together throughout the years (2011, 2015, 2019, 2022, and present). It feels like each bus iteration has built up to the current moment of deliveries for MTA Bus
@@Techno-ov5ss So how many Orions are left in JFK as of now?
@@jonathanmenig2418 48
I'm not too sure about that now given how some electric bus orders are in jeopardy of being canceled due to lack of funding. There were a few articles about that recently.
I can't believe Orion's legacy of MTA bus will soon be over, I'll never forget my first ride on the Orion VII OG and NG buses thoroughout NYC
For real man, I remember when they first came out in mass in 2003. While I don't remember the # of my first ever Orion 7, I do remember that 2003 Orion 7.501 CNG #7575 was among the first OGs I ever caught that Summer/Fall on the B65 (back when JG Depot had that route). My first Orion 7.501 NG Hybrid was #3802 back in August 2009 on the M104.
@@dodge1515 How many Orions are left at Baisley Park & LaGuardia now?
@@jonathanmenig2418 IIRC LGA has around 75 NGs. BP, probably fewer than 10.
@@dodge1515 When is Eastchester expected to get rid of their remaining Orion NGs?
@@jonathanmenig2418Ask the Depot managers....
Just a small correction @18:59, at their peak, the Orion 7.501 OGs totaled #1085 units. That's after you also include the 2001-2005 Orion 7.501 OG CNGs #7560-7819 as well.
Could the Manhattanville bus depot retired the Orion VII NG spectrum hybrids before 2025, Techno 7843?
There are no Spectrum units over there...
Goodnight sir and Thank-you once again for giving us another great video from next stop news. The Orion VII O.G and Next-Gens Hybrids. Really had big shoes to fill . When they Had came in to brand new to MTA Bus. MTA Bus Company was new also to begin sir. Not to get of topic sir. But the Orion VII O.G and Next-Gens had replaced the majority of MTA Bus Local Bus fleet GMC RTS and yes most of them where still in there original Private Bus Operators color paint. Sir The MCI Classic the ones with two doors and TMC RTS series. I am still surprised that the Orion VII O.G and Next-Gens Hybrids lasted as long as they did sir. Especially when they came to MTA Bus brand new. From 2006-2007 to 2021 to 2024 and the Next-Gens from 2008-untill the present sir. Thank-you once again for this video sir.
@@MagicMike-rd8mz Good night, thanks for watching! It is my pleasure to make these videos. Indeed the Orions did, and although in my opinion, the Hybrids couldn’t fully live up to their predecessors, they definitely created a unique legacy of their own. It is very likely that the Old Gens and Hawkers would have been retired much quicker had the NYCT orders not been as delayed, as it would have allowed Lithiums to transfer out much quicker. The goal of fully killing Old Gens with ex-NYCT NGs was really only fully met at LaGuardia. Also, the MTA BC orders faced some delays also, but not as badly as the NYCT orders did.
IIRC, The 2006-2007 Orion 7.501 OG Hybrids (#3500-3783, ordered along side #6690-6905), replaced the ex-PBL 1984-86 GMC RTS 04s, transit spec'd 1988-89 MCI Classics, the 1993-94 TMC CNG RTS O6s, many of the worst 1993-94 TMC RTS O6s (Diesels) and some Ex NYCTA 1990-1991 TMC RTS 06s (#8000-8396, repowered units) and 1993 Orion 5.501 Diesels (#101-316). The NG Hybrids replaced the rest of the TMCs and earlier Orion 5s.
Rest in peace 🪦 old gen buses 🚌 you were a part of nyc streets 😮😮😮😮😮❤❤❤❤ 2:23
According to a recent YT post by Ulti, it is slated that all NG’s are to be retired by this Fall. However due to recent delays, some NG’s may make it to late 2024 to early 2025. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxhrqGytvNPePPfmO5GwYim2Eaqcnq45ur?si=Op0aaTTYxiJGZaWH
Should the Next Gen Orion VII's make it till 2025, it would be 50-75 units remaining. It is looking like the OA/TA units would be gone by the end of December.
The 2023-2024 Novabus LFS delivery needs to speed up more now.
Finally it's out
Manhattanville’s next gens are showing their age too, my mom works there and she says they are old… time will tell when they retire their last 19 units…
4484 also got sent to JFK on the Q60
@@michel4rthur It’s indicated in the March Update
Could the Tuskegee Airmen bus depot be closed down because of a leak problem that forces the Novabus LFS HEV's #9620-#9639 and the Novabus LFSAs & the XD60s be moving to the Manhattanville bus depot permanently by 2025 (next year), Techno 7843?
False Information, KrackBob
you make no sense
@@TheTrainandBusFanner8877 But, I do make sense, though!
cp holds onto three main units, being 4119, 4278, 4601. on some afternoons laguardia sends two or more next gens but never just one and then they go back the next day like jfk loaning for spring creek but it just happened yesterday so you couldn't fit it in. i always wonder why laguardia never sends xd40s cause they're both new flyers, and maybe a weird suggestion, let baisley do the q65 school tripper to goethals
That is a good point. LGA used to send the 2015 XD40s to College Point, but now they simply don't do so anymore. It's weird how 4119 is commonly at CP, given how it has all those LGA stickers lmao.
Also that is true, the closer the vid is to releasing, the harder it is for me to fit the newest developments into it
@@Techno-ov5ss Forgot to mention that Spring Creek Depot has gotten a few NGs recently too. Among them were 2009-2010 units #4401 and #4625.
@@Techno-ov5ss at some points 4196 and 4557 were units with the actual physical cp stickers but they aren't long term but are afternoon. i think the way it works is cp holds onto only three units at their depot. 4119 went back to laguardia a few days ago and 4196 was at cp to replace the time 4119 wasn't at cp
@@mevissaaa Ah I see.
I don't really get the difference between the LFS coneheads. But I don't really know the reason why LFS were removed from Ulmer Park years ago or even no LFS in the Brooklyn depots. What I thought was the capacity or turning since the front of the buses stick out.
I'm not sure of the official reason, but it definitely helped for fleet uniformity.
The Order I and II Coneheads are identical, and nearly identical to the NYCT Coneheads despite for some minor adjustments. However, the main differences that set them apart from the 2019 LFSs are the HVAC unit and the backdoor width
At the time, the MTA wanted to separate bus type by depot division. Kinda like how back in the day you could only find Orion 5.501s in certain depots and RTS's everywhere else.
@@dodge1515 I do remember that. Orion Vs mainly being a Bronx/Staten Island thing, while RTSs were more predominant in the boroughs except for Staten Island
@@Techno-ov5ss There were also many Orion Vs in Queens too. Manhattan had some, while Brooklyn had only the CNG ones.
@@Techno-ov5ss There were RTS's on SI too, but many were for Express service until the MCIs started arriving in the late 1990s. RTS's were over there as late as 2008 until the NG Hybrids kicked them off the island.
Now that Congestion Pricing is paused, what is going to happen now with the ex-NJ Transit 2008-2009 MCI’s that the MTA recently purchased? I am referring to the units that MCI built for the MTA back in 2008-2009 and were supposed to be numbered as 2251-2268. I heard that 2200 ex-NJ Transit 7106 has been officially repainted into the “Blue and White Livery” on May 14th, 2024. And not only that, it is also reported that this will be the first time since 2007 that the MTA will be purchasing buses in the “Black-back” since the moment when the Original Generation Orion 7 Hybrid’s were new to MTA Property for both NYCT and MTA Bus Company. I really do hope that those ex-NJ Transit MCI’s can enter service. These buses are supposed to go to Castleton Depot in Staten Island.
I think they'll still enter service, since it is true that some of them have already received their MTA livery, and most if not all of them are on property, waiting for their repaints. They're at Eastchester for storage. Worst case scenario, a few enter service and the rest get scrapped
Not true as far as blackbacks. The ex Bee Lines 1995-1996 Orion 5.501 diesels were blackbacks as well.
@@dodge1515You are wrong in this case. Why? Because someone showed me a picture of 2200 (ex-NJ Transit 7106) already repainted into the “Blue and White Livery” and the bus was in the “Black-back.” It was officially confirmed to be repainted into the MTA Livery on May 14th, 2024. In the beginning, I thought that the rejected units will be repainted into the new “Blue and Gold Livery.” When NJ Transit purchased the rejected D4500CT’s that MCI built for the MTA, all those buses were delivered in the “Black-back.” The only thing that we are willing to know is if the “Rear Destination Sign Panel” will be restored in the back of the bus. The buses came with the “Rear Signs” but were removed a few years later.
@@edwinpenafort8750 No, YOU are wrong. The last blackbacked buses were the ex BL Orion Vs.
Correction: 9057 was delivered to Far Rockaway
9312 is at JFK just saw it 😭
What are you gonna do a New York City transit video?
3708 ran on the Q41 and Q8 on 3/22
3762 ran on the Q37, Q60 and Q9 on 3/22 just like 3708 did on 3/21
Will you release the videos of Old Gens you didn’t release? MTA Bus Transit Fanner is doing that.
A Nova on the Q25 wow is that’s what they are getting in the future?
JFK eliminated their old gens on March 25th, not the 22nd.
4680, 4257, and 4445 was also delivered to JFK from LGA along with 4266, 4398, 4422, and 4514
You forgot the feature photos section
I did. I'm reserving it for the NYCT section now
@@Techno-ov5ss Will the NYCT section feature photos of buses from MTA Bus Company?
@@McDonaldsandBrooklyn Yes
@@Techno-ov5ss Does that include the Old Gens and Next Gens
@@McDonaldsandBrooklyn Yep
Noooo not the orions
Finally lol😂
Hey im a mta bus company operator bus buses from yonkers deport that are provest doing a swap with Laguardia deport with there mci they started this week with it i will let you know all the provest buses swap that is going to laguardia
I thow kingsbrige was geting xe40 beacas they have 4952 4957
They mainly use those XE60s to keep their chargers active. It is a shame that Kingsbridge got snubbed from both the XE40 and LFSe+ orders
@Techno-ov5ss Yes I was sooo disappointed by that. I was looking forward to them, hopefully NYCT will make it up to KB and let us be the 1st depot to get the new Xn60's next Fall!!
@@Datryl86 in the fall kingsbrige is geting xn60
What about subways, still waiting
In the rounds system, I still have to get to NYCT Fleet Status, then I can begin putting the Subway content together
@@Techno-ov5ss NYCT's update is sure to be a doosy as there are several bus orders that are going to be significantly delayed (if not canceled) due to CP being put on pause. The option R-211A and R-262 and R-268 orders are also in trouble...
@@Techno-ov5ss They might have to order more Diesel, Hybrids, and CNGs after all for the time being.
@@dodge1515 That's a fact. I have to heavily modify both Updates to account for the new changes.
@@Techno-ov5ssyou should include MABSOTA & NYCT together
Hi
im tired of mta ordering junkcelsiors
Get used to it. Been annoyed with that choice since 2011.
What's wrong with the xcelsiors?
alot #teamnovabus
So when will new 🆕 articulate buses 🚌 come? ❤❤❤❤ 3:30 🕞
Rest in peace 🪦 old gen buses 🚌 you were a part of nyc streets 😮😮😮😮😮❤❤❤❤ 2:23