Flex Wheeler On His Rivalry With Dorian Yates!
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2018
- Flex Wheeler reveals a never seen insight into his rivalry with Dorian Yates, his loss to him, and how he got started in bodybuilding.
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Props to Flex for recognizing the politics and not hating the player...
Its all about politics its a popularity contest
Yeah the racism was sickening but glad Flex recognised it.
Lol. I think flex imo had one of the best physiques and shape to ever get on stage. That being said Dorian wipes the floor standing next to him. He's lit. More muscular and better conditioned. Dorian from the back esp kills flex. Idk wth ur talking about
A hurt Dorian would still beat flex... Lol
@@rutheshelman2483 NEVER flex murders dorian hes too aesthetic with better shape,
Shawn was the only one that didn't like Dorian , Kevin got along well with Dorian to the point Dorian was giving him advice on back exercises..
Shawn didn’t like anyone.........PHD in whinging
Hard to believe, Dorian was arrogant. Levrone was arrogant. Cormier got along with just about everyone so long they didn't know he was banging their girl.
Nobody liked Shawn !!
Shawn and Dorian became good friends afterword. They were Warriors warring against each other.
Shawn had a great physique....but he was a total asshole!!
That has got to be the most uncomfortable couch to hold an interview on, the poor guy looks like he's stuck on a lateral delt machine the whole time!
Ha!
Haaaaaaaaa LOL!!
LOL
😂😂👍
🤣🤣
I disagree with Flex.
Dorian was really a great poser despite the fact that he was more massive than guys like Shawn or Flex
He just said why he lost ''I didnt think I was going to win'' ''I was just happy to be there''
A perfect score doesn't mean you're perfect, it means all 5 judges put you in first place.
Kort Latimore No
Kort Latimore Ok, sorry. You’re right and the rest of the world is wrong
Kort Latimore do more research then.
Kort Latimore Ignorance is bliss😘
Kort Latimore bro, just do yourself a favour and check. Go look at the IFBB’s website. Each judge ranks the competitors from 1 to x, and the total of all scores are added together. The lowest score wins.. “Perfect score” just means each judge ranked Dorian 1st
Flex's genuine, open demeanor is inspiring. The man has been through some real sh!t and serious pain. I wish him all the happiness and success with the rest of his life. What a good soul. Flex, thank you for being you.
Flex seems like a guy who has went through a lot getting past fears. Fun to listen to in interviews
yates' looked his best in 93'. there was no way wheeler or anyone else was even close.
He dwarfed Flex.
I couldn't agree more. Dorian's best look was 93' even 92 he looked great. Flex Wheeler was not at his best look in 93 but was still awesome to place 2nd.
Flex lost from the back in the legs..in 93.
i dont like dorians structure. dorain by himself said thath flex on 100% woudl destroy him. but flex didnt train as hard as dorian. he didnt need to since he got that great structure
I know I think he made that bit up 100% flex has a big head he's just acting
If Flex has the work ethic that Dorian had, he would be a multi-time Mr. Olympia.
Yes!
Kevin Levrone was well known to take several months off from training, then start back up 5-6 months before the Olympia. Imagine if he had trained all year round. He was big, but could have been bigger and better.
That's exactly right!
David Jerome funny how I know Kenny but none of you,so how the fuck do you and the other three fan boys know Firsthand anything about his work ethic,you hear shit and believe it then recycle it like gossip girls,grow the fuck up
M Petties lol stfu you’re full of shit
Time and wisdom has made Flex a gracious man
Flex is a humble down to earth guy, that's awesome! There's so much hate and trash talking anymore.
Flex had the best looking body that has ever been in bodybuilding, just perfect balance, beautiful lines and a great personality.
Um, I think he may be playing that card here.
Has he even heard of Lee Haney? The guy who won 8 in a row before Dorian.
Or Coleman? Who won 8 in a row after.
@hehe cutlers stomach was usually pretty flat he was in great shape
It sounds like he had/has self-esteem issues. If we had truly believed himself he would have won multiple Mr.Olympias. His talent was never in question
Dorian never had to worry abt flex.
@William Leonard and monster size with great proportions
William Leonard very true
That's his point. No matter how good he was, Yates had no need to worry. Didn't matter
RIGGED JUDGING.....like Arnold 1980
@@WZ912 you people are something lmao. Delusional as they come. Flex was good 1 time, 1 event, 1 year when Yates ruled the sport and that was 1993 when Yates was at his absolute best. He destroyed Flex that year and nobody, and I mean NOBODY argues that Flex should've won in 1993. in 1994 he had a car accident, in 1995 he placed 8th, in 1996 he placed 4th and in 1997 he was fighting ninjas on the street so he couldn't compete. By 1998 Yates had retired. Where's the rigged judging? based on 1 competition? lol. As I've said, DELUSIONAL.
Dorian was a great poser - and acknowledged as such. Strong, powerful and demonstrated his physique extremely well. I think Flex is a bit delusional
When Dorian flexed things happened. He knew how to work his best poses. He had that grainy look. But also that scary menacing way of posing, almost like a Gladiator. Hell even the music got people pumped!
Dorian has said many times that an integral part of his pre contest prep was to dedicate a significant amount of time flexing which, he has said, paid huge dividends because the other competitors gas out during the poses that he was conditioned to do.....his knock was that he rarely smiled
Yeah he seems major butthurt and everyone knows being black makes your physique look better hence the tanning oil all the white people use Dorian was bigger and better flex still looked amazing tho
@@scottlosey4978 It is a damn good thing that didn't use the fake pageant smile like the rest of the fools
Dorian had great symmetry for the first 3 years
It's interesting for me to see that I share the same insecurities with my favorite bodybuilder of all time.
Doubt there was any racism....Haney won 8 in a row right before. Arnold beat Sergio due to lower bodyfat and overall size.
Sergio won 3 in a row before Arnold.
sergio had a higher body fat?or just never really flexed half his muscles and use a ton of baby oil, which under stage lights made look smoother than he really was
overall size?other than chest arnold didnt have a single larger bodypart than sergio, NOT ONE
Sergio was ALLOWED to win to make the new ifbb look openminded and not racist like nabba or aau etc, plus he was so far ahead of anyone, including arnold they couldnt deny him
ps.they said dorian won because ifbb didnt want to make it look like a black dominated sport after 8 haney wins, so the new mr O "had" to be a white man
@@TheLusianPopa Arnold's arms looked better than Sergio's. His biceps peaks were much better. Triceps were about even. Arnold's chest looked better than Sergio's (as you pointed out). Arnold was in better condition than Sergio. Arnold's legs had much more separation than Sergio's had. Arnold was overall the superior bodybuilder.
@@preservationwealthmanageme3184 biceps is one muscle, sergio's triceps and forearms are way better, no comparison, nto even going to debate it.Sergios back smokes arnolds, just compare the front and rear lat spreds
LOL at arnold being superior, teh man is the most overrated bodybuilder ever
i put him next to sergio and i see
NO LEGS, and nbtw sergio hardly ever fully flexeed his quads, so dont use the whole separation excuse.
NO TRICEPS
NO FOREARMS
NO LATS
NO SHOULDERS
NO V TAPER TO SPEAK OF, especially for that era it was mediocre
Pose by pose
Front double SERGIO.Way better balance , quads, v taper....arnolds peaks alone dont win the pose sorry, small body arts dont decide poses
Front lat spread?SERGIO ALL DAY
Back double bi Arnold- better back detail and calves form the rear, althogh his v taper sucks balls and his thighs are thin as fuck
Back lat spread SERGIO ALL DAY
Side triceps?SERGIO ALL DAY, arnold never even hit that pose, try and find one LOL
Abs & thigh SERGIO, een though both had average abs but sergios quad size and bigger lats /v taper GAME OVER
Side chest Arnold
Is it 5-2?LOL at you say arnold is the superior man GET A GRIP
Regardless of his sligjtly better detail, his structure lets him down in many poses,mainlywo lat spreads and also abs & thigh
Arnold is simply too incomplete and structurally inferior, and conditioning was hardly a deal breaker in those days
arnold was great, i rate him above lee haney but both are below sergio from a phisical perspective
@@TheLusianPopa Sergio had no separation in any muscle group. I've never heard the lame excuse that he never flexed his legs. That is just beyond laughable. He had big arms, football biceps with no peak, a small waist with wide lats. His calves were average at best. Sergio's chest couldn't compare. His back, while thick had no detail nor did his legs, and who really judges a bodybuilding competition on forearms?
Arnold had a better presentation, more charisma and always came in better condition than Sergio. After Arnold lost the first time, he improved to the point where he never lost to Sergio again. Again, proving Arnold was the better bodybuilder. Or, maybe Arnold won because Sergio didn't flex his legs...LMAO.
@@preservationwealthmanageme3184 sergio didn alot of stuff that made him "appear" smoother than he was
the excessive use of baby oil, which under stage lights washes him out
overdoing the backstage pump, by actually engorging a muscle with blood you are losing some definition, this is something arnold actually mentions in one of his books
as for the not flexing his legs most of the time, i guess john hansen doesnt know shit either eh?
Because the contest was being filmed by ABC-TV’s Wide World of Sports, the stage was flooded with bright lights for the benefit of the television cameras. Sergio made the mistake of slapping on too much baby oil before he stepped onstage and the strong lights made him look too glossy and smooth.
Just like after his loss to Frank Zane in 1968, Arnold analyzed why he was defeated by Oliva at the 1969 Mr. Olympia. He obtained film of Oliva posing to study his physique and take note of his strong points and weak points. He noticed how he hit his poses and where the weak links in the armor would be.
When Arnold met Sergio onstage one year later, he put his plan into action. For all his genetic gifts and his incredible work ethic (Oliva, unlike Arnold, worked a full-time job involving physical labor before commencing his brutal 3 hour workouts every day), Sergio was lazy on the posing platform. Often, he would leave his legs unflexed when hitting an upper body pose or he would not properly contract all the muscles when hitting a back pose. Arnold took note of this and worked on his posing routine even harder, only including poses in which he looked his absolute best.
I guess you know better than him right
i already broke it down pose by pose
i gues you also forgot to say he also had way better quads, shoulders than arnold hahaha
sergios chest couldnt compare?how so?it was just as thick and super wide and shapely.Arnolds was a little more square and lower attachment but that certainly doesnt translate into very superior
back detail?john hansen explains it for me
forearms are half the upper limb kid
as for his calves beig average?LOL they were huge and in proportion to his thighs, arnold had huge claves but small thighs, so his overall top to bottom leg development was whack.
better presentation?yeah but sergios beats him 5-2 in the mandtaories LOL
More charisma?ppl actually tend to underrate how charismatic sergio was and tend do overrate how charismatic arnold was for some reason.Arnold was very nervous when on stage, especially against sergio,
always in better condition?NO Only in 1970 he had better condition( when arnold advised sergio to bulk up 15 lb lol), 72 it was equal at least, and in 69 sergios was better
in 72 arnold admitted he was the only guy NOT IN SHAPE so dont even try
improved what?other than condition he didndt really improve his lagging legs, shoulders, triceps, forearms or make his waist any smaller
arnold was the business partner of weider, and under contract and on all his covers even before mr O
didnt weider say , anfd this yopu can verify
i put sergio on the cover i sell x magazines, i put arnold on the cover i sell 3x magazines
do we really, REALLY, need to say more?
arnolds record is better but politics helped his ass half the time
you think youre the 1st arni no legs kegg waist fanboy i tear apart in an argument
ive done this to loads of punks over the years and they really haver ntohing to counter me, especially when i bring in the links
I saw Flex in Okinawa at our base he was so massive. It is so hard to imagine him being the same size as me graduating from highschool. Now he makes me feel like a 200 lb baby. He is a big cool fella
Dorian, was light years ahead in 1993...There was no contest.
Really? Dorian was huge but Flex looked a shitload better. Not sure how many people would look at that AND SAY they wanna look like Dorian over Flex in that show. And that does say something.
@@Flexb123 exactly I never cared for that look Dorian ruined the sport period
well he sorta admits to it he has said he knew the judging criteria and based everything he did around that in order to win he knew if he was the biggest and most condition he would win regardless of if he looked good
@@booty121212 Ruined the sport? lmaoooooooooo. "Damnit Dorian! You made the judges judge you too good, now the sports ruined". -_- Blame the judges not Dorian. Dorian bodybuilt, the judges are the one who put him on the pedistal.
Flex looked way better and likely should have won the show. Dorian was big but more bloated and less aesthetic.
When you hear Flex, Kevin, etc use the words "I can feel this guys presence next to me".....you know the Shadow was no joke
Yet somehow he sucked and was only winning because of politics according to the internet fanboys. 🙄
Shadow’s work ethic was unshakable
The first time I saw Flex wheeler on the magazine, I was stunned. Balance proportion and just good amount of muscle.
Flex was a class act. To bad about his accidents and his career. 2021
Fair play to flex... respect man
As humble as this guy is, people find a way to find fault. Amazing
Flex doesn't realize that judging is not based on a "perfect scores". They judge it by positions. If there are 7 judges, high and low are thrown out. the other five judges felt Dorian was first, therefore giving him a 1, 1 x 5= 5 points (per round) Whoever placed second would have been given 2 or 3 depending on the how the judges see that person. They see the number 1 as a perfect score when it's just the position they are in. I don't know how Flex Wheeler doesn't know this.
Pff ..lets get this straight ..
in 1993 Dorian took the sport to another level ......flex hit the max of the previous level .
In 93 yates unbeatable .
In 94 flex was in a car crash
in 95 he placed 8th or 9th
in 96 he placed 5th or 6th
in 97 he was fighting ninjas after a car jackiing lol didnt compete.
In 98 dorian had retired after 6 olympia wins and wheeler had one sniff only ...93 but got destroyed by yates
say what you will, but the 99 Arnold's version of Flex would beat any Dorian version. 93, Flex was smaller rookie and was the only Olympia he peaked for. But As said by Arnold, Flex's physique at that 99 Arnold show was the best he ever saw on stage. But you are right, Yates took Bodybuilding to a new level, but also was where bodybuilding starting going wrong and physiques got away from the shape and aesthetics into a weird looking freak show. Also, now that I think about it, It was Haney in '91 that took it there, Dorian just carried it on into a new era.
@@Flexb123 Dorian retired in 97 undefeated . Im talking about reality and fact not supposed fantasy match ups ....after someone retired, being a 6 x mr O unbeaten
Flexb123 Flex could never beat an in shape Dorian! From the back, night and day!
Wow definitely not a bodybuilding fan then.. Completely wrong on all dates
@@britishbeefbritishbeef8738 Who cares if im a bodybuilding fan to you or not u mug ?? llolol and if im wrong correct me on every single date mr superfan
Flex is a great and humble person.
Flex was the best bodybuilder ever and he is such nice person......all the best for him 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Gee he seems like a great guy. I think most people would kill to have a friend like that
The most honest
Always have an audience vote as well.....perfect scores come from imperfect judges.
This guy seems to be one hell of a man to have a beer with.
Always a big fan of this guy....would have been good if he could have won one Mr O.......great physique
This Scottish guy pre inter webs bought a VHS tape of the Olympia to see Flex get second to Yates. So awesome to actually be able to hear his perspective years later.
Sound like a great man
There was no rivalry Just a beat down
hahahaha
@@anthonylodge7516 dick
rigged
@@WZ912 its called criteria
yates was bigger( wider thciker) but also harder denser and drier
basically flex never had a chance
Everyone talks down about Dorian onstage but when you actually see them lined up next to him you can see why he won. The muscle hardness, maturity, and density. Sure there were other guys more aesthetically pleasing but his overall package outshined everyone onstage.
Totally agree, he was more than just a sum of his bodyparts.......a master of the mandatory poses
And lest anyone forgets or thinks otherwise, a back development that is unrivaled till today, to beat Dorian onstage you had to literally display a better back development than him.
Dorian’s back won him the 97 Olympia....
Sorry Flex but Dorian was clearly superior in those early battles. The later ones granted he had clear issues but everything else was absolutely monstrous. He should not have been getting all 5's on his last couple of wins but none of the other competitors were deserving of 5's either. It was very close and as you said, Dorian's presence probably carried him at the end.
Love flex!
great syntholnetics with this one
you read M&F and Flex and you get a bias on these guys' personalities. Then when you meet them in real life, they are completely different. Met Flex at the Olympia years later when he was part of a supplement company. Super nice. Met Dorian (and Cormier) outside of Spearmint Rhino and he was funny! My one take away from a 6x Mr Olympia has nothing to do with his physique but his personality!!
Flex don't seem to know how the judging is done. 5 is the perfect score which means that all 5 judges put him at first place. 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5. So you can have an injury but still get a perfect score if the judges see you as number one.
No but he makes perfect sense. Dorian couldn't pose like Shawn or Flex. Not even close, no way he should have been even in top 5 with posing. Same with symmetry esp with a torn bicep. How do you get first in symmetry round when one arm is noticeably different than the other.
@@Flexb123 Dorian actually explains why he won on JRE, he knows his weaknesses and maximizes his strength which was his back and conditioning
ScouserLegend Watched the podcast myself. It’s nonsense, and Dorian is one of my favorite bodybuilders. He got destroyed in 1997, but still won
@@Flexb123 Ronnie was the worst poser of anyone on stage year after year yet he kept destroying them because he was so ahead in physique development that it didn't matter. Yates was a much better poser than you give him credit for and his physique destroyed Flex's, Shawn's, Levrone's. No amount of good posing is gonna fix your physique.
Its hard to be Wheeler, you know, to be a man who was late and not ready every time, but yeah, its life
a kind dude
I like Flex. Gentleman.
Flex wheeler: the best bodybuilding genetics ever.
4:04 as a Briton, it sounds so funny to me to hear someone use the word wanker in an American accent.
True.
I wonder if he knows what it really means.
Other than it being a British put-down / swear word.
, Some words are just too good not to use. Wanker is one of them. Still sounds better when y'all say it though.
@Ghoulies could you please explain this second meaning? You mean a person that masturbates? Im polish but Im really curious, I heard a lot Britishmen using that word so if you could explain, I would be greatful, take care man
Dorian was an amazing poser actually. He was really good at showcasing his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. The only pose that really suffered from the biceps tear was the FDB. He was that good at hiding it otherwise. It wasn't until 97 that he really went to hell. No way he should have won that one.
Completely disagree about the posing. Dorians posing was really strong. Not the silly shit the other guys did, like posing to an R&B love song.... 🙄
flex using the term wanker is priceless
Kinda makes me sad how some of these guys are portrayed by the media.
When you listen to them in a real conversation talking about their true lives, they are really interesting individuals with very interesting stories
After all we're all human I guess...
Long live the Late Great Flex Wheeler 🙏
Flex had zero self confidence early on.
I couldn't imagine flaring my lats in the mirror and looking like he did and not being an overconfident beast.
That’s sad bro you felt that way
A lot of politics but Dorian had that Arnold mindset where he would own the stage. He walked around it quiet and calmly but you felt like he was the guy. It was his house. He gave off an energy of dominance while the other guys just looked like happy buff dudes. I don’t want to sound ignorant but after watching a few shows there’s certainly politics in play but the mind games were set in motion way before any of them got up there.
@@breaks3085 you're seeing things that aren't there
Like the Year when Jay Cutler and Viktor Martinez had a clash. Jay won but people had Viktor on top. its not Jay`s fault but their people who have the upper control.
Flex is the greatest best shape ever
IF...Flex trained like Dorian or Kobe...
There'd be no argument.
Flex was the closest thing there was to cartoonish perfection.
ZERO weak points.
Just soft glutes cause he didn't have the work ethic to fully cultivate God's gift to him.
damn back off the mics a little bit
Flex is a good dude
Flex is a gentleman
I think the main misconception is that during posing round judges don't judge your posing. They judge your physique still. That's what Steve Weinberger said - one of the main judges. As the result now we have shittiest posing routines on stage. Thanks to the guys like Steve. Why should I put effort on posing routine if I can just have the greatest physique.
I like Dorians spirit and determination. But I agree with Flex - Olympia is the perfect physique - so with thorn biceps or triceps you can't have perfect physique
Wow , very humble .... not that my opinion counts worth shit , but I always thought Flex had the best physique period of any bodybuilder ever . To carry that amount of muscle and have the lines to me is very much in a class of his own
Sergio was just being nice. No one thought Flex shoulda won '93, that was one of the most insane packages ever bought to the stage. But after the bicep injury, this highlighted a problem with the current judging criteria, it allowed someone to have a flaw and not be punished severely enough. There is no way he should be walking away with perfect scores because simply put his front double bicep was never gonna trump any of the guys with non bicep tears every again. It's not a front thigh, calves and lat flare pose, its a friggin' front double bicep pose. Not saying DY didn't deserve some of those Sandow's but I think 6 was too many, he prolly shoulda won about 4.
They still have not fixed the judging mess, and here we see the 2023 Arnold Classic Nick Walker controversy loss as evidence. Whereas before DY was winning because of the mandatory poses (he wins the majority), now we have an athlete who clearly was winning the majority of the mandatories now not winning the competition overall.
They got so blinded to Dorian's mass they didn't care to notice the uneven biceps, which was a crime to Flex...who had perfect shape
"You've got great genetics" and he took that as a slur ... victims to the end !
i bet he could make you a victim
Are you dumb?
That's really unfair. He prefaces that anecdote by saying "in my ignorance" and that it's "embarrassing" to admit he thought it was a slur. That's called humility in my book.
Most can see it as a slight to their hard work. Basically saying its God given and you didnt do anything to deserve it.
@@Bruss813 That applies to other sports a lot more than in bodybuilding. In professional bodybuilding (in which everyone is on steroids) talking about someone having good genetics typically refers to them having naturally good aesthetic skeletal structure and muscle insertions
I do agree that perfect scores for obvious symmetry discrepancies and mega bellies is whack.
Flex reminds me of Michael Jackson. Wonder if he sings
For the front upper body I think he beats Yates but legs and back are where compertions are won and Yates had that down
Come on Flex and fellow fans. Let's not fall into the trap of race baiting. I'm white and Flex 93 is my favourite physique although there is no way he beat Dorian that year. As to racism in bodybuilding? What reason do we give for Haney ×8. Did racism make them place Coleman above Flex? 2001 Coleman over Cutler, really? But I'm not whining over it. The Olympia has been won 54 times since conception, 25 by a white man (if you class Bannout as white) and 29 by a black man. Agreed there have been some shockers in the judging over the years but not due to race. I love Flex and the sport but dont agree with this nor do the stats. Peace.
There is a supposed fact that certain bodybuilding Mags sold a lot better with white men on them then black. Also why they used to throw females on them a lot. If Flex was white with that physique, he probably would have been more successful (sad as that is) ITs like boxing and the great white hope.
@Anton Hallergren I don't even address idiots with logic anymore, I just ignore them.....
@@Flexb123 oh bs, why do they put tan on then? flex should have put skin paling cream on
@@adambennett1193 Cause a TAN shows definition better. Some of the lighter skin black dudes tan also BTW or use tanning creams. I used to know a lot of the top pro's mid to late 2000s and I think it was Darrem that told me tans before a show. Why some of them have a reddish look.
I’m white and I blame the black race for Haney and Ronnie beating Dorian and Cutler all those years. This is racism! 🤣
I met Serg too! You were better than both dudes who beat you...
Flex is the most perfect physique in bodybuilding history
Flex could never put on the ripped heavy muscle. He was a lightweight up against Dorian.
Nobody ever had cavs like Dorian
Even Dorian in the years since has sort of admitted his last couple Olympia wins were given to him on credit. 1993 though between him and Flex that’s a true toss up.
hate the game not the player
Flex was great in 1993 but there's no way in hell he "won that show". Just ridiculous. Dorian was absolutely unbeatable that year and even Coleman 1998 wasn't that good. Maybe Nasser should have won 1997 but all other Dorian's Sandow's are legit. All other claims are just sour grapes.
yeah dorian in 93 was just something that transcended bb
the man was way more muscular, way more conditioned and at that point in time very well balanced and symmetrical, witha streamlined midsection, and a darn good posing routine
crowd went NUTS during his routine
coleman in 98 brought a similar level of condition( sorta) but with some symmetrical flaws-weak calves, oversize glutes and gyno, and a slight distension in the midsection
as good as ronnie was 98, he didnt KILL flex to the same extent dorian did in 93
Wow, I didn’t know that Flex , besides having a great physique is also a great gentleman
In 92 and 93 Dorian smoked em. Bigger. Grainier, Drier. More imposing. And he posed great. He may not have been graceful but his posing was dynamic and effective. Even in 94....he had just torn his bicep...but the rest of his physique was perfect. Same in 95.
In 96 maybe Shawn Ray edged him, but it was real real close, couldnt call it a robbery. In. 97 he had a really bad injury which clearly derailed his prep, the fact is he shouldn't have been near the top three in 97, but the organisers knew he had a career ending injury and gave it to him.
96 Maybe. 97 Definitely....but Flex and all the others are delusional if they think Dorian didn't beat 'em fair and square for at least four years.
Flex was good, but never near Dorian.
He had better symmetry but that was pretty much it. But he's still one of the best ever.
In this interview Flex looks like a shaved head mix of Jermaine/Tito Jackson
I think if flex had more confidence in himself things may have been different. I've seen so many interviews with him and he seems such a humble guy. A humble guy with possibly the best physique ever. Politics aside he deserved a Sandow. So did Kevin and Shawn. Can't blame Dorian for the judges decisions tho.
Yates tore His biceps and got good Scores and flex had all his synthol and got good Placements 🤷🏼♂️
Let me get this straight, Dorian who as known for having shit arms and perfect everything else tore his bicep and made it a fraction smaller so that cancels out the rest of his Olympian physique 😂😂😂
I see what you did there fan boy!
@@powerhouse5007 What did he do?
Shit arms is a pretty hilariously inaccurate description. Yates doesn't have a peak on his bicep. That's it. It's hardly shit. His arms were good overall. Forearms and triceps were great looking.
This is when bodybuilding was unkind to itself. It's a serious indictment that Sean, Kevin, and Flex are all without a single Olympia win while Yates has Six.
I disagree.
I hear everyone talking abou Flex's lackluster work ethic. Here's my question though. Exactly what aspect of his physique would improve if he worked just a little harder?
Size?
Leanness?
Symmetry?
Conditioning!!!
Stop using synthol would also be great addition.
his symmetry is a bit overrated id say
in the ifbb symmetry ROUND he never beat dorian
dorian killed him in the rear relaxed pose-much wider back, and better hams/glutes and calves
in the side relaxed, same, dorians thickness advantage esp in the torso was too much.Flexs torso was kinda shallow( narrow too).
Front relaxed?yeah flex looks better but dorian is better balanced and wider
leanness?well flex was very detailed and separated but he never got that granite hardness Yates possessed, he also had dificulty drying out even with diuretics.
Size?his frame was small he wasnever gonna match dorian in bodyweight .Flex looked his best ever in the 98 ironman and AC, a week apart when he was around 230 lb
he tried to come in the 240s and even low 250sin 99 , looked like crap imo
@@TheLusianPopa , flex looked way better. you aint talking about dorian had no abs crap muscle insertions blocky waist , 0 aesthetics, just freaky conditioning an mass,
@@breaks3085 who looks better is subjective, bb shows are decided by poses where muscilarity, symmetry and conditioning are evaluated holistically.flex doesnt beat dorian in more than 2 poses of the 7 total.id even argue yates beats him in the abs thigh, cause his taper is miles better and his sartoriusz teardrop and calf are unsurpassed, and he had darn good abs w etched serratus.
@@breaks3085 and flex was narrow, soft and too arm dominant, with a tiny chestz soft hams, soft glutes and suspect calves bis and delts...he waw giving 40 lb to yates while also being softer...there is no way he could overcome that
Get Flex again
The level of disrespect Flex has here towards Dorian is dissapointing. Coleman and Ray feel the same way. I can’t help but chalk it down to them being jealous that they didn’t win. Dorian was so much bigger and with more condition, an excellent poser, with torn muscles that only really became a problem in 97’. How can you say Dorian from 92-96 doesn’t smoke anyone that’s ever competed. That was the peak of muscular development. Now we just see blown up soft muscle. Even Ronnie had soft muscle in 2003 but so many people call that the greatest physique 😂 Not even the pros know anything about their own sport.
The best competitor to not win an Olympia?
I think so.
Flex is cool.
Plus Dorian was the first Mr. Olympia I can recall having the bubble gut.
Boybuilding competitions are so rigged, right from local competitions to the Mr O, thats why ppl with injuries get to win, theres simply no other fact or reason for that to happen. Thats the reason why Ive never competed, Ive seen so much wrong doing at BB comps whilst sat in the audience its untrue.
In how many poses does the judges give out scores for the best biceps?
Did he just say 98 pounds after high school ?
look at his pre workout pics, he was tiny literally a 98 pound weakling
Flex wasn't exactly small?
mike ramgopal he didn’t mean he was small in his prime. Of course, in the 90s he was massive for the average dude (230+ pounds) but in his teen years, he was small af, he said he was 98 pounds lol that’s pretty small
No, of course he didn't mean prior to him training. He said when Dorian came along who was a new breed of mass monster.
Crazy but I've had that same responds in the gym and assumed dudes was gay and stopped going. 🤣🤣🤣 The folly of youth 🤣🤣🤣
Dorian just looked way better than Flex.. there is no debate.
I doubt anyone said because you're black you wont do great.. heard of, hmmm, Lee Haney? 🤔
‘93 Flex... best physique of all time.
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