It’s so horribly wild to me that so many people can’t comprehend that sometimes who a person is physically doesn’t always match the same as mentally and emotionally.
I really loved this video, I’ve watched it like 10 times. I’m a bisexual cisgender white guy, and I feel like I really did learn some things about my trans brothers and sisters.
I am 13 years old and a trans boy. I've been trans for 3 years. I visibly pass as a cis guy and unless I tell someone myself, everyone thinks I am. Even if medically transitioning was open to me I still would do that for me at this age. I want to start T in a few years (15-18), I haven't ever really been interested in bottom surgery, I want to get top surgery in the future (18-25 yrs old) I know the risks, I know the biology of it all.
My male-born child is 17 and told me last week that they think they're trans and they've been feeling that way for 2.5 years. Alongside getting them councelling to discuss their feelings and next steps, I'm also trying to do research to understand it all a little more. Videos like this has really helped me (this one the most in fact, hence me commenting, which I've never done). As a straight and pretty naive father, it's very hard to imagine my child taking on a different identity, but it's harder to imagine them suffering. When it gets hard, I just remind myself that my love for my child is unconditional, and one of my ambitions is their happiness x
Thank you so much for working to support your child, even in their transness, and trying to learn more about it!!! It’s better than a lot of parents have done for their trans kids, and your child is lucky to have you as a dad 💛
@truth-om7iz instead of relying on what you feel is likely, look at actual statistics; going just off of gender-affirming surgical procedures, the amount of people who de-transition is very low. This would suggest that most people who label themselves as trans, probably are trans. Secondly, there is a lot of coverage of trans people in current news media because trans people are experiencing an upsurge in discrimination, and there are multiple anti-trans bills trying to be passed or that HAVE been passed. If you’re talking about fictional media, again, look at actual data. Trans people have VERY LITTLE good representation in the media. The only reason it feels like a lot to you is because you’re used to there being none.
We need more people like you. Thanks for supporting Alex. I wish anyone from my immediate family to support me, sadly that's not the case. But I always get very happy when others actually have family who love them for who they are. 💕💕
I was trans curious since I was a little kid and hated myself for my sexuality. Not being taught about these things made for a confusing and painful upbringing. The cool thing about gender is that you can express yourself how the fuck ever you want. It’s a spectrum not anything black and white. Sex on the other hand is set in stone due to your chromosomes, but because of gender we are able to express our authentic selves. I’m 25 and don’t know if I’m trans or not- still trying to figure that out, but I have become so much more confident since I’ve been masculine presenting. I remember when I wore a “men’s watch” for the first time and how that little piece made me feel better about myself. Then, it was a game changer wearing boxers for the first time. It felt like a dirty little secret at first as if I shouldn’t have been doing it- that it was wrong but it also felt right. The first time I bought men’s jeans. I just love me, today. Fuck the labels. Just be you
@@leggimiit is a very confusing journey, and I'm still finding who I am. Bouncing between genderfluid, demigirl, Demiboy, nonbinary, trans. But I could not agree more when they say, FUCK THE LABELS. Don't let the labels over burden you. Just be you and you'll find yourself along the way. Try out different clothes. Whatever makes you comfortable. If you feel more masculine but wear stereotypivally feminine clothes, that doesn't invalidate your gender. And vice versa. You are still you. It's other people that are disrespectful that you'll have to worry about. Just be you, and goodluck on your journey ❤
@duskzx yes absolutely. FUCK.THE.LABELS. The more I think about trying to fit into something the more I'm lost, idc if I'm non binary, trans, femboy or whatever. I just wanna be me and feel me
The amount of people ignorant on trans issues IS the reason we should have parts of it in our education system. No one is saying to talk about how you should get surgery or something, but just having the bare minimum information would do wonders for how people view transness and understand it.
I will say that even in high school I wasn’t taught about LGBTQ history or civil rights, and I’m from California, as well as Gen Z. It’s important part of history and it’s important we let our queer youth know how our society has gotten to the point where there love is valid and difference between sexuality and gender identity. People get so riled up by it because they don’t understand it, and it really is simple.
My friends educated me in 8th and 9th grade. I ended up coming out after I left the school district though. I had such a hard time figuring myself out, even with my friends and the queer novels that the school let us have access to.
No one is medically transitioning kids. You might get reversible puberty blockers to prevent the trauma of the wrong puberty. But that’s it. What people want is to have their kids that are trans or might be trans to be allowed to explore gender identity and expression without hate.
I as a transwoman think policies in my country, Switzerland, are good. Here it is legal to transition medically when you're 17. For me that means, I could transition because I am seventeen
Before this video, I watched "Do All Trans Men Think The Same" from this same channel. The video autoplayed, and I got nervous, because I can't STAND Jubilee. Which is super unfortunate, because I love this format! After watching that video and this one, I'm happy to subscribe to this channel. It's so refreshing to see actual nuanced discussions with this gamified style! It's what I always wished this style of video could be. Thank you so much for the incredible work you've done!! 💚
Just started this one but I have to say… Trevi’s lookin supa dupa fly! Love this channel! Just discovered it literally a few hours ago and am living for the content 😊
We don’t need gender theory in schools, we need to teach kids common kindness and respect and that’s truly what kids are lacking now. If you encounter a trans person and you’re shocked by it, then you can go ask questions, but still be able to show common human decency
I think it could be added into sex education. Talking about human anatomy and how some people might be dealing with that confusion and explain it a little bit so kids won’t feel so confused. Not have a full gender theory thing but let them know hey these thoughts can be normal to have you’re not weird
@@lowrider0013Nah. You’ll confuse kids by teaching them about a problem they don’t need to worry about. And if a child NATURALLY shows signs of gender dysphoria, they need counseling. Not to be treated special by all their peers.
@@lowrider0013exactly. Just a little “hey, these ppl exist. There’s nothing wrong with them. If you have any uneasy feelings or concerns on the matter there are resources to help you”. That’s it. But they dont want that bc they WANT to fill their kids w hate and not to accept others.
For that first question. Trevi is so right about trans girls and bottom surgery, but that’s one reason I don’t like seeing conversations like these with such black and white options for answers, because some trans girls don’t ever want bottom surgery, or would be dead if they didn’t transition young. Better to have surgery complications than be dead, right? And for trans men and trans masc people, there aren’t developmental downsides that complicate surgery. Getting on blockers could prevent the need for top surgery all together. Some people being well suited for medical transition starting in early adolescence, and some not being well suited to it, make it hard to answer with one statement of “I agree” or “I disagree”. I also think “should trans kids be able to medically transition” and “should they be able to do it without parental consent” should be separate questions.
I’m really surprised how many disagreed with transitioning children. I myself, am against transitioning children as well and I feel like all we hear is trans people fighting against it. I feel like it’s one of the biggest points of contention between the trans community and everyone else. So it was nice to hear that there are trans people that understand children are impressionable and to let them be children until they are old ego make a decision.
@@BriannadaSilvathere’s definitely the beginning of a pendulum shift starting to happen right now. You can see signs of it everywhere and is only starting to spread and pick up speed.
Yes, I agree totally. I was surprised and very heartened to know there are trans people that do care about the risk to kids in so many ways. And that is what we are safeguarding against.
3:36 - I think the puberty blockers are more harmful than the cross-sex hormones. I also think Trevi is very right in her answer to this one. The first puberty has to reach a certain point, *then* one can transition, so there can be proper sexual development and function. It is ideal to transition at around 15-17 honestly, to allow for maximal cross-sexual development without losing a chance for proper adult sexual function. I agree wholeheartedly that nuances and precautions have to be met as a minor for transitioning sexes but there has to be an allowance for some physiological change, otherwise time is wasted.
I also think the question was oddly framed. Parental consent is vital as a minor, because a minor legally and societally is at the will of their parents, their caretakers, as much as themselves.
Evidence shows that puberty blockers leave no permanent effects. And that's on trans kids and well as cis kids. Because also puberty blockers weren't created for trans kids, they were actually created for kids who begin puberty too young. E.g. a friend of mine who showed signs of puberty aged 8. She was born female and is still a woman, not trans in the slightest. But she was on puberty blockers for years. And they left no permanent effects, just as the studies show too
If it is a trans person, like now claiming it is a ''she'' it means it is actually a He, so call the guy a he. Factually born a he is a He, male, so if someone is born a She then it is a She as in female!
As a t girl myself, I grew up with fear of being me, and was forced to tuck it away, yet some things I still did that showed and cried out who I am, and when alone At home I’d try looking the way I felt, and smile the only true time I felt myself, when I finally got online and tried being me, I was called motherly, loved, sweet, pretty, and I realized I could be free as me even if some had their opinions over not cis so don’t want to date, that’s ur preference even trying dates now is same and I let folks be, I’m open to it at the start only to know if they would reject or hate me, or willing to know me for being so open of myself. I married a nbny partner that let me at first be me, but after so many viewed me as cis and her as the t person they began to push me into a box too, and other things that lead to us failing and losing my own kids too, the fear of me being trans and open had to be hidden to DSS in fear that alone would take our kids, when I told them finally and showed myself they saw me as the real mother of the kids and my partner was the bio mom but acted like the other parent, they even directed me as such in court when we had to speak. I might had lost my job when I started htr because they was shammed of me and I reported them and left, but now 5yrs in, even if family isn’t gun Ho about it, they don’t try forcing me to be with them since they can’t accept me as me, and I let them be, I got online family and friends and even younger kids seek me out for love and support as that mother or sister ect and glad I can help folks, or nurture them into how the world is now (even if I got many bad days and reasons for negativity) I’m alive maybe to guide and shine on someone who needs me, so I live for that alone. ❤
@@its-tinyavocado uh, huni´s voice wasn't mentioned in the comment? they were talking about her looks only. plus, the thing about that her voice gives it away instantly was unnecessary.
I think a lot of the trans people in thos video who say trans and gay rights should he separate dont know the statistics around sexuality within the trans community. The guy who said being trans is intersectional is so right. Trans people are 35% more likely to be queer in their sexuality than cis people are. So while there is a lot in the trajs experience that is different, theres SO much that is the same. Also the more we separate queer gender and queer sexuality, the less welcome trans people have become in queer spaces. I remember when gay trans men were fully welcome in gay clubs. And yet a year ago a friend of mine was hate crimes by a gay man in a gay club and rhe response from the venue staff was essentially "well you shouldn't have been in here pretending to be a man then". It was hideous treatment and definitely not the norm, but its so obvious that this sort of treatment is happening because of the separation between queer gender and queer sexuality and its just really sad
My biggest issue is the uneducated misinformation spread about trans statistics. Your personal experiences don’t change the stats. And specifically with what Mich said about “kids aren’t medically transitioning its really only puberty blockers and a social thing” is false. There are numerous stories: a girl children at 15 got a double mastectomy, and later regrets it. Children are often not mentally developed enough to make these choices, choices that can and will permanently alter their bodies. There are assuredly trans kids who having a medical interferences will save the life of, the issue is whatever system we are using to determine who those kids are is broken. There shouldn’t be a single child getting medical surgeries and regretting them. A Psychatrist should be doing a thorough screening of them over the course of multiple years before making certain surgical decisions, and at the least many months for medication. Have detransitioners that are children permanently altered only worsens the movement.
you mention how anecdotes dont change statistics then you immediately go and use an anecdote of regret to say no one should be allowed, even though the statistics show an extremely low regret rate, and saying there should be 0% regret rate is a super super super unrealistic bar, every medical procedure has regret rates no matter what, and on top of that the regret rates for trans surgeries is waaaaaaaay lower than most if not all elective surgeries. you word it as if most regret and only a small handful are actually helped by it even though its the opposite. talk about uneducated about statistics...
@@lilac_witchthere are no studies that are proper and adequate that show the *actual statistics, including regret rate!!* The studies you’re referencing are not adequate studies and are being rejected across the globe, except for here in America!* There are *no studies and no statistics* on ppl who transitioned as a child, including puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and irreversible surgeries, the regret rate, the detransition rate, the suicide rate and if it improved/decreased, got worse/increased or stayed the exact same, long term complications (including listing out said complications), etc etc. *_Hell, we couldn’t even perform a study such as that right now bc this hasn’t been going on long enough to have enough participants and have the correct amount of time to adequately perform the study and observe the outcomes,etc. As well as have a control group w enough participants and enough time passing to have the long term data and statistics to quantify for it being an adequate, whole and unbiased research study!!_*
Even if doctors were not altering children with puberty blockers, hormones and surgery (which they are) even 'just social transition' deeply affects a child's development. It's adults telling them that yes indeed, they really are or could be the wrong sex. And it destroys their opportunity to outgrow it on their own. None of this should be taught or affirmed in schools. And should be removed from mainstream entertainment. Especially children's entertainment.
@@TheRiskyforeverWas thinking the same thing. But with stuff like this it's always "facts over feelings" and then they just proceed to pull shit out of their ass, show facebook quotes and anecdotes...
But that’s not what happens and you guys know that because you’ve been through the process there is no figuring out if this is for you is automatic affirmative care for everyone. 3:07
Affirmative care just means that the doctor won't try to prove them wrong. We use affirmative care for everything mental. If someone says "I think I should get divorced", a psychologist isn't telling them "that's a mistake and here's why..." they say things like "why do you feel like you want a divorce?" The same thing happens with trans healthcare. The doctors focus on why they feel that way, and don't tell them they're wrong, but instead ask questions to get them to think about it from different perspectives, to really dig at the reason they think that way.
Trans people started Pride. Trans people have fought alongside with gays and lesbians since the very beginning. The community is intertwined and needs to support each other. Separating causes is separating communities and we need MORE people fighting for these rights, not fewer. Trans rights are human rights. Transphobia exists in the LGB'T' community and we need to ALL work together to push against this.
I love this. No BS. Common sense perspectives. Well thought out. Real people with real experiences. Compassionate responses. The level of empathy. As it should be, good job😊
Yes. These people have had to sit down and form an opinion. They’ve been tested rigorously by others on their opinions. They don’t get the luxury of just parroting what they hear from others and moving on. They’re going to be tested and I think it shows.
Yes obviously, but those questions can be answered in a grade-school-friendly way. Explaining to a child that your gender is different from your body isn’t extremely difficult to explain in a child-friendly way. And it’s definitely not more difficult than explaining other topics children learn about in grade school, like slavery or war. If we can teach children about that, then certainly we can teach children what being trans is??
It’s not that complicated for little kids actually. I have 6 year old boys and have told them that there is the sex which is the body parts you are born with (which are most often boy or girl parts, but sometimes a little more complex and may not fit simply into those categories) and then there is gender, which is whether your brain tells you you feel like a boy, girl, or something in between. Basically nobody knows better how you feel in your body than you do and if someone tells you who they are you should believe them.
@user-in7bu8jk8v I AM queer?!?! Maybe try to actually understand where people are coming from instead of just assuming it's from a negative place. I don't see the point in schools teaching young kids about trans people when they're gonna eventually learn on their own anyway, I believe that if schools attempt to teach it on an entry level it's just gonna leave kids with a false idea of what gender is/what it means to be trans especially because of the amount of kids who think dresses and the colour pink = girl and vice versa. I think it makes more sense for kids to naturally develop an understanding of gender as they go through life
I noticed you skipped all the major topics such as trans people in sports, in prison, giving birth, biology, not being able to actually change the sex. Otherwise interesting video & I wish them the best.
I don't know who need to hear this, but fuck the labels. If labels make you feel comfortable in yourself, then go for it. But don't let them overwhelm you. You don't have to fit into a box. Be YOU.
I feel like medical transition or just transition in general should not happen with children, not because of really denying who they are but as they learn to grow and become adults it is a stressful experience and adding transition experience on top of that isn't a good thing. I feel like around 16 should be an age where the conversation of medical transitioning can start. Because until then we are learning about ourselves. I know a number of people who took blockers and realized later they weren't Trans but just a more feminine or masculine.
A persons brain isn't fully developed until age 25. If people think kids (who can't even buy a pack of cigs or vote) can consent to irreversible hormone shots and major surgery to remove their body parts; the people who think kids can consent to physical intimate contact will take that as confirmation they are right too. A 3yr old who can't use a regular toilet without a booster seat can't consent, a 5yr old eating boogers and can barely write their name can't consent, an 8year old who believes in santa and the easter bunny cant consent, a 12 yr old who needs to be told to brush their teeth can't consent, and a 16yr old who needs to be reminded to do their chores without throwing a fit still can't consent to surgery to remove their genitals. I mean, plenty of 19yr old college kids can't even juggle a college routine to make it to class in time! But apparently, they're all expected to have the mental capacity to envision a lifetime of HRT and side effects??? Please🙄😒
I have a few trans friends, and some of them I wasn’t actually sure if they were trans, but I didn’t ask because it was none of my business. There was one time, I was making a lgbtq drawing with my team and I had to ask my friend if they were trans or not so I could draw their flag. I was curious, if you tell someone after asking (at an appropriate time) that you thought they were cis, if it is a compliment or is it offensive? (Sorry if the English is bad I’m dyslexic :p)
it depends on the person honestly, but its better to just not say that just in case they do get offended. me, personally, i dont get offended when people say they thought i was cis because i want to pass as much as possible, but that isnt important to everyone.
i think in that situation instead of asking if they were trans, it would have been better to ask which flag you should draw for them. that's what would have saddened me a bit lol, if i was the only person in that group being asked if they were trans
as a trans women, i think kids shouldnt transition until they are pass 18. thier minds are still growing. the parents are the ones who are allowing it. the parents shouldnt let them trnastion anyway until the child becomes an adult.
@@laiswith2dots I totally agree you. And as you said, not everyone thinks like me and not everyone would agree, ofc. I would've not suffered mental trauma from depression and attempted suicide. But I respect your comment👍🏼
The 3 (seemingly oldest) women have the most insight and are based in reality. Much respect. Unfortunately the younger trans people have been in an echo chamber where their ideas and statements and lifestyles aren’t challenged so reality can escape them. The older people have probably gone through much more adversity on their journey…maybe this is why they seem like the most intelligent of the group.
I think when people throw out statements saying “there’s high rates of suicide” it’s important to show the actual numbers. These statements without back are very dangerous and misleading, and that’s what creates popular opinion.
Also, suicidality is caused by many things. And so is gender dysphoria. The two should not just be automatically linked together. Finding the root of what is causing the suicidal feeling and working through that often brings an end also to the gender feelings and many other issues a person can have.
I get this is Brian's channel but he definitely shouldn't have gave himself so much screentime. It gives the perception that these trans folk were chosen because this gay man likes them instead of randomly choosen trans folks who will give insight on trans people's thought process.
I think transgender people can be introduced to any age appropriately. For example, for younger grade students, there are wonderful children’s books that include trans characters explicitly or even just trans ideas (like not fitting in; being different than you look). For upper grade levels, it can be something discussed in health class/sex ed.
i agree. i came out when my brother was 3. my mom just told him “[deadname] wants to be called [new name] now, and he is a boy.” he asked some questions and he understood! he loves me for me and he has no problems.
Thanks for making this video. I am a 53 years old ex-transwoman from Malaysia who is living his wonderful life. I respect people’s choices and I appreciate if people would respect mine in return. Ex-LGBTQ people like me do exist. I have often been told shut up but I don’t think I can.
Exactly! And this problem began recently, too. For decades, the LGB and the trans were in suport and respect of each other's spaces and journeys. BY DEFAULT of our acronym being LGBT, we acknowledged that we each had our own space. The gender activists side is now turning against their own allies like LGBs and women but especially other trans who fought for the right to be recognized. They're attacking us for wanting to have safe spaces that reflect our specific experiences. Detransitioners are belittled as traitors and "not good enough" That's so sad, because there were always people from every aspect of LGBT that needed time to figure it out. Keep raising your voice! We need you♡
as a trans person i do respect detransitioners (i think gender and sexuality are fluid and theres nothing wrong with changing your mind) but i do think its very common for the media to take a very small minority of detransitioners and use those stories to reflect the trans community as a whole, even though its a really small minority and the most common reason for detransitioning is bc of harassment or pressure n not bc that person was never actually trans. i think your story and identity is just as important and does deserve to be heard but not used against the rest of us to deny our rights, you know?
*I respect people’s choices and I appreciate if people would respect mine in return.* There lies the problem. Thankfully I am not a Christian, nor do I live in Malaysia.
5:31 I don’t think that has anything to do with being gay or lesbian, and more to do with cisgender people having freedom of movement and accessibility to gendered spaces pertaining to they’re that trans people don’t.
I was sure I was a boy aged 4. I was then told I wasn't and had no clue about transgender people so I was raised without any education or help. In a bit remotely shocking twist, I'm still a boy and I transitioned (ftm) as soon as I found out I could when I was 19, with my medical transition starting at 21. Scientific study shows that a child's understanding of their gender first begins aged 3. That doesn't mean everyone knows at that age, but yes it's very much possible and does happen.
like most things, i think teaching about trans people specifically in schools is just not a good idea outside of a highly case-by-case basis. are trans kids in the high schools of my area (or yours) actually emotionally safe among their peers (reference to increasingly polarized and bigoted politics being extremely accessible online, since i personally see that a LOT in kids around me)? how big is my area- just this one school zone, this city, this municipality, this province? are the teachers going to actually be trans or have intimate understandings of transness from a variety of trans demographics (bipoc, disabled, displaced, etc) in their own lives? if it’s in schools, are the learning outcomes/class plans going to be accurate to trans reality or would it be a transness that cis people find most comfortable that’s presented instead? do these schools do well teaching about racism? so many places within and beyond the occident and whiteness have trans people entrenched in their culture’s history, and colonization fucked their shit and continues to this day- i don’t personally think schools would do well with teaching about trans people if those same schools had unsatisfactory (or literally non-existent) teachings about racism.
Common misconception: puberty blockers are safe and are fully reversible, there is no liability. If this drastically improve the way about themselves then there is no reason not to give it to them Testosterone and estrogen do carry irreversible side effects but those are almost never given to kids…
fr, my mom thought she was a boy when she was a kid, but that was in the '70s so she didn't know what trans was. She stopped thinking she was a boy when she went through puberty
I don’t think kids should consent to being put on unnecessary medications that may have a negative side effect. They can wait until they’re older and more sure of themselves. They don’t have to take these medications as they don’t need them for survival
@bimmer3081 I was, and still am, a tomboy. At 12 years old If I were approached by people who convinced me the reason I wore boy clothes and played with action figures was because I was trans, my 12 year old self would believe they knew better. Children seek guidance from adults, particularly their parents.
@@cfowler7936 but nobody does that hun. It's not about convincing people they're trans but about considering It an option. Trans kids and tomboys can totally exist in the same universe
@@cfowler7936 that does happen in some cases which are wrong. But we’re talking about kids who are saying I’m a boy or I’m a girl at 12 and older and want to start their medical process so they can start to pass before puberty
@@julescolon6502 It's a lot of 'what if' when it comes to deciding what is best for a child. So many factors to consider. Which is why I favour not allowing them to take HRT before puberty.
What did it tell you? I think it was a very fair question, children 12 and under can be different from teenagers. You can still believe they shouldn't transition but that doesn't erase the fact they are at different points in life
theres a massive developmental difference between say, a 12 year old or a 17 year old. those ages are relevant which is why laws like the drinking age, driving age, age of consent, age you can drop out of education etc etc etc vary so much place to place because we all agree that children shouldnt be doing these things but theres no one concrete right answer as to when its okay. its a relevant question
If you ever do a part two, I as a trans man would love to take part in it! Love these videos and the fact your platform is opening up conversation in a safe and respectful way. Kudos to you guys!
Interesting views. When it comes to kids I don't think sexuality is something they should be needing to worry about so I don't see why any of it has. to be introduced so young. When they get closer to puberty and their bodies start changing is when these discussions are more appropriate. Basic math, history, spelling, etc are the main topics that grade school emphasizes. LGBT topics are quite simply more niche and make more sense at an older age. And it gives parents more time to bring up these topics in the way they want to. As for any type of medical transitioning (including beta blockers or testosterone), I'm totally against. I don't think the research is there, the thoroughness of care seems to be suspect, and it's just such a vulnerable period of so many teens lives that throwing in medication that may not be necessary, I see as a disaster. Honestly, I disagreed with most of them on many of these topics, but appreciate the perspective.
Yeah after watching the Jordan Peterson interview with Chloe Cole I have a very strong stance against any medication or surgery during child and teen years.
@@kaylans8411 crushes aren’t a school subject for either straight or gay ppl. I don’t see your point. There a school counselors and parents around as well. It doesn’t need to be part of a curriculum.
@@Ray03595 sex education is taught around 5th grade. children ask a lot of questions. having crushes in elementary school is a mostly universal thing. so gay kids also have crushes too. queer children should be taught that it happens in the same way as straight people.
@@TheSzutekinait’s crazy that you’ve taken the time to watch the video and comment on multiple different replies. So transphobic, but so invested. Maybe stop internalizing all the hatred and realize subconsciously why you’re here ❤ maybe you’ll learn something
Kids can talk to their parents about who they are, or maybe one on one with a counselor or teacher. It doesn’t need to be taught to entire class. I figured out I was gay without my teachers teaching me about it in grade school.
Parents are not always the most safe people to talk to. Specially about stuff like this, a lot of parents are ignorant and invalidate their children. In sex Ed we're taught what gay people are, same thing should be for trans people. Like they said in this video, the kids will interact with a trans person at some point and it lessens ignorance and hate if they're taught about all the different kinds of people that live on this planet
@@cjthompson420 I'm gay too first of all. And where did I shame parents?? I said they're not always the safest people. Way to twist my words and not understand how common child abuse and non accepting parents are. And who brought up PDFfiles? Why are you calling teachers that? Who touched you as a kid? Dude, you're seriously reaching and trying to get mad at a valid point of teaching kids about the different humans that live alongside them. We were taught about gay people, why not teach about trans people?
@@cjthompson420 yeah, you don't become gay by people telling you about it🤨 is that what you're trying to argue with?? We were taught that "gay people exist, they're just like us, treat them like everyone else" how is that a bad thing? Same thing should be taught about races, other sexualities and trans people. Literally to just teach that these people are a thing and they're human just like everyone else. Can't believe a gay man would be against such a thing. You're a blight on our community
"Medical transitions don't start when you're a kid" Directly after says that 11 year Olds start on puberty blockers and then hormones and there are 15yr olds have gotten their healthy breasts chopped off.
Just because their physical breasts were healthy doesn't mean they don't hurt the person who has them is mentally. Body dysphoria truly hurts people, and once mental health is affected, it starts to affect the physical body too. It's all about the pros vs cons. Also puberty blockers have been used for cis kids for a long time. Even though I'm trans, I get where you're coming from tbh. Even I look at the trans comunity sometimes and think "dude wtf."
Puberty blockers are not a medical transition. They're used as treatment for kids who begin puberty too young (e.g. my friend who showed signs of puberty aged 8) and have been long before they were used on trans kids. They just put a pause on puberty, they don't make any permanent changes.
Trans ideology is about identify. Straight, Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual is about sexual preferences. When sex is involved trans will have to fit into the preferences no matter what they identify as.
@@chefssaltybawlz One minute they say gender is a spectrum and the next it's a social concept. Now gender is social concepts in terms of how men and women dress and/or what roles are played so they try to use this to fit their ideology. They like to say that gender and sex are different. Okay, that's fine. This means that your sex doesn't change from your birth.
@@rodb66 EXACTLY HOMIE! 🤦🏿♂️ my sister is married to her gal (she’s 41) and at thanksgiving last year I told her about how Gen Z is walking back the equality we fought for. I had to end the conversation because she got so frustrated asking why would she date a man? Sis that’s what I’m saying lol. I’m sooooo happy for her and her wife because in 2023, both of them would be gaslit by the Mulvaney community. And this Brian guy clearly is using them for quick profit. Because he was handed a life of being equal he didn’t have to fight for 🤷🏿♂️
This will sound cringe but when I was a teenager I was more than sure I was "not cis". Asked my parents if I can have breasts removed at 15, they told me to wait. I was broken that I have to wait? Wait for what? During that time I had a very stressful relationship with my developing body. When I was 17 I changed schools with less LGBT promotions and narratives. When I was 18 I was thanking my parents for not listening to me. My breasts became the symbol of a womanhood - something I couldn't accept back in the days. I am now a 25 years old woman and I am thankful that I waited - teenage years are very scary to survive especially knowing how most of kids don't accept their bodies
Don’t worry it doesn’t sound cringe, and I’m not at all trying to invalidate your experience- your gender journey is just as valid as anyone else’s 💗 But PLEASE do not use your experience to fuel the misconception that any child who says they’re trans or wants gender-affirming care is wrong!!! Again, your experience is completely valid, but it is in the MINORITY, and transphobes are very quick to cling onto any message they think affirms their preexisting beliefs, *especially* if they think it’s from the “other side”
bffr there are NO schools that “push” an lgbt narrative. You mean they didn’t demonize queer people and you felt ok exploring your relationship with gender? 😱and ofc now that you felt your feelings and decided they weren’t for you you’re pushing the narrative that the queer’s indoctrinated you and they’re all evil and out to corrupt your children. 🙄
@@kaisla_onerva its an exaggeration, not a "full on lie". his saying "no one" was just like saying literally when you actually mean figuratively. the point is that the anti trans movement has made detransitioners and children getting medically transitioned into the centre of the conversation when both of those are in actual fact a very very very small minority and should not be what hinges on the other 99% (a generalisation not an actual statistic, we need more studies) of us losing our rights. he just phrased it wrong but his actual point still stands
I disagree. I think it's important to have a space where it's just trans people talking because the opinions of trans men and trans women can be wildly different. But if we want detransitioners in a video which would be great, make it a separate video. Some of the same people, sure, but then make it "do trans people and detransitioners think the same". Putting detransitioners in a video titled "do trans people think the same" would be inappropriate
my thing is this my child should be going to school learning how to do math how to read books and how to form sentences and learning how to spell my child should not be having to learn about sexuality until they hit about 7th or 8th grade
@@mentikula again why should a child have to learn about his sexuality at a young age ... Like don't you find that werid one. Two since when did I ever talk about race or slavery one I wouldn't have a problem with my child learning about slavery because one it would be learning about their ancestors and how their ancestors were treated back then so no I wouldn't have a problem with that cuz that's history but so why are we talking about slavery when they are talking about sexuality and how children are learning about sexuality
@@jahnellyoung5507 well where I'm from children are taught the basics of sexual reproduction in primary school, so no, I don't think it'd be weird at all to throw in some information on how not everyone likes the opposite gender or even any gender that way and some like their own gender or more than one gender. Why would it be weird? Seems like it could save them a lot of confusion, especially if any of them start puberty early, just like learning about menstruation in fourth grade really helped out my classmate who had her first period shortly after we discussed the subject.
I don’t think sexuality should be taught. I think it should just be normalize, but it’s not. Like some people have two Dad some people have two moms. sometimes you’re older brother becomes your older sister and you’re 10-year-old learning about that because you care about your big sister. My little brother knows about me being trans and he is 11 and he knew about this and he was 8. He still wants to live as a boy. My parents didn’t tell him anything gross just simply your big brother is now your big sister
sex education (as in learning about reproductive organs, periods, contraception etc) is taught throughout childhood at an age appropriate level. we already teach children about gender roles and sexuality subconciously from birth (boys like blue and cars and action movies and girls like pink and barbies and makeup, that boy is "pulling your pigtails" because he likes you, boys will be boys, girls have to follow a dress code at school and boys dont, etc etc etc) and honestly acting like anything outside of being cis and straight is sexual and inappropriate for kids is gross. there are ways to teach kids about diversity and compassion age appropriately.
@@kay-kd9vc how is it not? Trans people (trans women specifically) get more hate thrown at them than gay people…that is a fact. I’ve experienced life from both perspectives & I’ve never seen so much hate towards gay people as I have being trans. Thank God I’m passable & benefit from passable privilege bc if I didn’t…whew!
Transitioning children is really a vague question to be honest. What age do you consider a child to young? What age do you consider a child old enough? Why is 18 more mature and educated on their own body than a 17 year old? etc etc. What do you consider medically transitioning? Puberty blockers and HRT are 2 way different things, but are both considered medical. If I had a say when I was younger (age 5 I knew I was trans, going through puberty at 10 made me try to kill myself) you can be damn sure I would have transitioned medically. Now because of the shit education system of America back in those days, I had no idea trans men even existed till I was the age of 40. I could have saved myself a good 30 years of self harm, body shame, depression, anxiety, and suicide attempts. You have no idea the level of envy I have towards younger people who do get to transition now days. The same ones who still cry about how long they had to wait, at the age of 18 or even earlier. Lucky bastards. I just want to give a special shout out to bigots, haters and transphobes, you are the only reason I found out what trans men were or what gender dysphoria even meant. Your loud angry ignorant voices made this information possible! Also, there really should be 1 or 2 older people on these panels. I know it blows some peoples minds, but older LGBT+ people do exist (you know, people post age 20s lol), that can add a lot to these conversations having been through a lot more in their longer lives. That or start labeling these videos "do all trans people in their 20s think the same?" or more so along the lines of "do all 6 of these specific trans people in their 20s think the same?" :P (seeing as 6 people is NOT considered "ALL".)
It sucks how in the first question the only one who agreed was building their argument based off false information, like for starters children ARE being put on hrt hellooo detransitioners are real and the number is going up. It’s just so sad
I was actually pleasantly surprised with this line up they were so real, I know there's many batches of people that wouldn't have dared to touch the disagree side due to fear of backlash
Okay hear me out…..I think we should flesh out the idea that it might cause false positives to teach 100% of elementary students about something that effects maybe 0.5% of elementary students??
But like 0.3 people become doctors in the US. Does that mean we should never mention the profession in schools? There are 1.6 million trans people in the US. I think it’s relevant…
@@tylerjoseph7411the ones yall beg for surgeries? be honest lol. You meant “should we not instill gender stereotypes on kids?” Smh. Let them figure themselves out and stop imposing your stereotypes
What does “effect” mean to you? Are children with a trans family member, classmate, neighbor, teacher etc. not effected in your eyes? It’s not just important for trans kids to know about transness. It’s important to teach kids about people who are different from them. If they’re not given a heads up about different kinds of people they will meet it can make those interactions confusing or even scary.
trevi said she thinks both sides of trans should be taught in school, for example she said like u can be a guy who likes dresses and that does not mean ur trans and they should teach that to avoid confusion and that u may regret transitioning@@makeitezr93
Yeah, because there are other kinds of vaginoplasty like colon and peritoneal in which the penis tissue isn't used for the creation of the vaginal canal and also not everyone is interested in SRS. Then people who go through puberty may want to get surgeries to reverse the effects of puberty which can cost a lot of money and be very intense, like FFS, top surgery and OMG laser hair removal: it's so costly and the results can be very deluding
Just a suggestion - it would be helpful if there was some details beside about the identity of people in these videos because sometimes it's not clear unitl later on
Why would you think we need to educate on trans things if we don't even do that for straight or gay people in schools I highly disagree with that and I highly disagree with allowing children to transition period
Austin, they do educate on straight “things”. It’s called Sexual Education, Sex Ed for short. But since gay, trans, nonbinary people exist, and they’re not mythical creatures like unicorns or elves, it needs to be taught equally. If a parent doesn’t allow their child to be taught Sex Ed in school, that’s up to the parents. If it’s because it includes non heterosexual concepts, that’s just being bigoted, irrational and immature.
why the fuck is Mitch lying saying medical transition isn’t happening to kids ??? That’s a blatant lie we’ve seen so many cases of children taking hormones even going as far as having top surgery . Like that just pissed me off that’s a blatant lie .
@@smns34087 any children’s hospital gender clinic. Time to Think by Hannah Barnes about the Tavistock. Any lawsuit against a clinic for transitioning a child with mental health issues, such as Layla Jane’s Kaiser Permanente lawsuit for getting “top surgery” at 13.
@@smns34087 just off the top of my head Chloe cole and jazz Jennings and those are cases essentially everyone knows who both had hormones and surgery under the age of 18
@@gardeniabrune2125 I’m not making these people up … it’s documented that both of these people have had gender related surgery under the age of 18 you can literally look it up the internet is free and not only that they admit this themselves . Mitch made a statement claiming children aren’t getting this type of care and i negated it with two well known examples … would you like a link to an article or one of their videos talking about this ?? Like don’t play dumb
@@chatterandcheersteacher here, and even though that is true, there are still things we are supposed to withhold from students because of preconceived notions instilled by family members. If we cannot force faith/ and other beliefs on children- heck we aren’t even supposed to tell students Santa isn’t real when organizing certain lesson plans relating to Christmas, then why should it be our job to inform them on this? 🤔
@@turquoisestranger7566 I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying it's a _good_ thing that you are not allowed to challenge the notions family wants to enforce on their kids and that you are not allowed to teach them the truth about certain subjects, such as the existence of santa? Or are you being sarcastic and pointing out _other_ things that you *also* should be allowed to provide a different perspective on or bring up?
LGBT having trans included is tricky we are much much stronger united as one front and we all understand the bigotry that comes from cis society, but at the same time trans is a whole different realm of identity and issues.
How you feel about yourself and how much money spent on transitioning is not justification for dismissing other people’s beliefs and right to informed consent. Dismissing how other people feel as bigoted and unworthy of respect is why many people don’t respect trans women. Dating and having physical contact with men without disclosing cannot be justified for any reason. Pretty sick thing to do to someone.
right to informed consent? do you also need to know your sexual partners' social security number, whether they've had their appendix surgically removed and whether they are vegan to be able to give _informed_ consent? is that necessary information for you to be able to consent? do you need a medical history too? maybe a list of the medications they take?
@@LeyCarnifex Stop being daft. None of the things you mention is comparable to being the sex opposite from what you present as. To even suggest that a man sleeping with another man is the same as a man sleeping with a vegan woman is absurd, but you already know this. Stop trying to trivialize same-sex relationships to heterosexuals.
@jaysanford7177 how can you compare sexual attraction to taking meds and having surgeries that permanently altering their bodies, potentially making them sterile, sending them into menopause, having botched surgeries which SO many people are having because this is still an experimental surgery and the only one where doctors allow you to live with completely botched outcome and tell you to live with it. No teen can fully understand what they are signing up for, but they can understand the rush of attraction which happens at a young age naturally.
They're all really pretty, and made some really valid points ❤ aside from the transgender theory being taught in grade school.. just no. Sure, its peetty important, but GRADE SCHOOLERS? Kids barely even know anything yet. At least wait until highschool years
@@--SodaPop-Yes temporarily - but over time blocking the hormones can cause the same complications as the hormones they eventually take. Young people are experiencing menopause, sterilization and more because of these things and what's worse is they arent being told that these are the potential outcomes and children cannot even truly understand what those things will mean for them in 5 or 10 years. Most of information about transitioning/detransiting is only based on the first 5 years after transition with thr main focus being on the first 3 years yet most detransitions happen between 8 and 9 years ehen people recognize who they truly are in their 20s - by then so much irreversible damage is already done and even wirse if they've moved on to surgeries.
@@naomih1073 sterilization never happens only with hormone blockers, sterilization is removing the genitalia by surgical means, what can happen is losing fertility permanently and for something to really have permanent effects, it needs to be taken for about 3 to 6 years without stopping and there are not always permanent side effects, and at that point, the child is no longer a child and can make the decision on their own whether or not they want to transition.
Go through the wrong puberty due to your condition is like... Bad. Like "oh no you can't have this spirolactone because side effects, therefore enjoy your soon to be there mustache and deeper voice young lady." Let doctors be doctors. They are aware of the cost of delaying treatment as well as the costs of treatment
BRIAN you really are doing good for others w these questions as they open up vulnerable conversations THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED LOVE YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS 💖💝
The bathroom thing is simply because ANYONE can identify as trans even if they don't pass in any way. There have been assaults on women & young female adolescents because of this. It's not trans fault but we need to come to an agreement.
Exactly! I mean, horrible men will assault women in bathrooms either way-SA charges are way worse than wrong-bathroom charges-but don't give those men an easy loophole to perv on women and children... The easy answer (I think) is simply: "do you pass well enough to be in danger _yourself_ in the men's room?" And not just visibly, but physically as well. Like, I pass pretty damn well, I'm barely 5'5, and I was the only woman at my old office who had to ask for help with refilling the water cooler. I don't think I belong in the men's room. Like, I have a history of SA: first in the boy's bathroom and locker room in middle/high school, then I narrowly avoided a potentially very bad situation in the men's room right after transitioning (I live in a very conservative state and thought it was a good idea; I'm not smart). Trust me when I say that I'm the last person who wants men or might-as-well-be-men in the ladies' room, but there has to be a common sense solution that protects females _and_ those of us who are in genuine danger from using facilities with men!
@@RangersGirlJackie99 thanks for sharing your experience, I agree with you. I also think a 3rd bathroom option would help everyone, ive experienced it in college on the LGBTQ friendly dorm floor, worked great for everyone. Thus those who are comfortable sharing their space can use it, those who dont pass either way or are new in transition ect then would have their own space. Instead of making a select group of people uncomfortable & share.
Would have been great if Blair White, Buck Angel or Marcus were there. You basically got a bunch of people who think the same, that's call a echo chamber 🤦♂️🤷♂️.
It’s nice to see new faces and not have only a few people being the faces of Trans people for the public on everything. The more variety you see within any group, the better you understand them all.
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It’s so horribly wild to me that so many people can’t comprehend that sometimes who a person is physically doesn’t always match the same as mentally and emotionally.
I really loved this video, I’ve watched it like 10 times. I’m a bisexual cisgender white guy, and I feel like I really did learn some things about my trans brothers and sisters.
I am 13 years old and a trans boy. I've been trans for 3 years. I visibly pass as a cis guy and unless I tell someone myself, everyone thinks I am. Even if medically transitioning was open to me I still would do that for me at this age. I want to start T in a few years (15-18), I haven't ever really been interested in bottom surgery, I want to get top surgery in the future (18-25 yrs old)
I know the risks, I know the biology of it all.
I hope it all goes well for you :]
Good luck with taking T!!
I wish you all the best on your way and that you can find the moment, you feel best in your body and mind. Stay healthy and be strong. :)
hi fellow 13 year old trans boy
My male-born child is 17 and told me last week that they think they're trans and they've been feeling that way for 2.5 years. Alongside getting them councelling to discuss their feelings and next steps, I'm also trying to do research to understand it all a little more. Videos like this has really helped me (this one the most in fact, hence me commenting, which I've never done). As a straight and pretty naive father, it's very hard to imagine my child taking on a different identity, but it's harder to imagine them suffering. When it gets hard, I just remind myself that my love for my child is unconditional, and one of my ambitions is their happiness x
Thank you so much for working to support your child, even in their transness, and trying to learn more about it!!! It’s better than a lot of parents have done for their trans kids, and your child is lucky to have you as a dad 💛
Im 17 and I read this comment out loud to my friends because it made me so happy thank you for being a great dad! ❤
you're a great dad!!
Im sorry but media is all about trans and it’s very unlikely most people who feel trans are. Give it time.
@truth-om7iz instead of relying on what you feel is likely, look at actual statistics; going just off of gender-affirming surgical procedures, the amount of people who de-transition is very low. This would suggest that most people who label themselves as trans, probably are trans. Secondly, there is a lot of coverage of trans people in current news media because trans people are experiencing an upsurge in discrimination, and there are multiple anti-trans bills trying to be passed or that HAVE been passed. If you’re talking about fictional media, again, look at actual data. Trans people have VERY LITTLE good representation in the media. The only reason it feels like a lot to you is because you’re used to there being none.
I’m Alex’s dad and I am so proud of the person they have become! Be bold, be you! Love ya
you're hot, keep being a supportive loving dad many people wish they had that in 2023.
Im so sorry she couldnt accepted her body and her femininity 😢
@@TheSzutekina stfu transphobe, why are you watching videos about trans people if you don't even support them..?
@@TheSzutekinalosaaaa
We need more people like you. Thanks for supporting Alex. I wish anyone from my immediate family to support me, sadly that's not the case. But I always get very happy when others actually have family who love them for who they are. 💕💕
I was trans curious since I was a little kid and hated myself for my sexuality. Not being taught about these things made for a confusing and painful upbringing. The cool thing about gender is that you can express yourself how the fuck ever you want. It’s a spectrum not anything black and white. Sex on the other hand is set in stone due to your chromosomes, but because of gender we are able to express our authentic selves. I’m 25 and don’t know if I’m trans or not- still trying to figure that out, but I have become so much more confident since I’ve been masculine presenting. I remember when I wore a “men’s watch” for the first time and how that little piece made me feel better about myself. Then, it was a game changer wearing boxers for the first time. It felt like a dirty little secret at first as if I shouldn’t have been doing it- that it was wrong but it also felt right. The first time I bought men’s jeans. I just love me, today. Fuck the labels. Just be you
YES!!!! FUCK THE LABELS!!!!
Thank you for this comment. I'm still struggling so much to understand who I am. It's cool to know I'm not the only one ❤
@@leggimiit is a very confusing journey, and I'm still finding who I am. Bouncing between genderfluid, demigirl, Demiboy, nonbinary, trans. But I could not agree more when they say, FUCK THE LABELS. Don't let the labels over burden you. Just be you and you'll find yourself along the way. Try out different clothes. Whatever makes you comfortable. If you feel more masculine but wear stereotypivally feminine clothes, that doesn't invalidate your gender. And vice versa. You are still you. It's other people that are disrespectful that you'll have to worry about. Just be you, and goodluck on your journey ❤
@duskzx yes absolutely. FUCK.THE.LABELS.
The more I think about trying to fit into something the more I'm lost, idc if I'm non binary, trans, femboy or whatever. I just wanna be me and feel me
The amount of people ignorant on trans issues IS the reason we should have parts of it in our education system. No one is saying to talk about how you should get surgery or something, but just having the bare minimum information would do wonders for how people view transness and understand it.
That's right!! 👍 Thank you!❤🏳️⚧️
I will say that even in high school I wasn’t taught about LGBTQ history or civil rights, and I’m from California, as well as Gen Z. It’s important part of history and it’s important we let our queer youth know how our society has gotten to the point where there love is valid and difference between sexuality and gender identity. People get so riled up by it because they don’t understand it, and it really is simple.
My friends educated me in 8th and 9th grade. I ended up coming out after I left the school district though. I had such a hard time figuring myself out, even with my friends and the queer novels that the school let us have access to.
No one is medically transitioning kids. You might get reversible puberty blockers to prevent the trauma of the wrong puberty. But that’s it. What people want is to have their kids that are trans or might be trans to be allowed to explore gender identity and expression without hate.
ehhh not true, i started estrogen at 13
@BlaireTheGlare so should you have not have been able to transition at 13
@@Supercalifragilisticexpial-r2x hm
@@BlaireTheGlareHave you got them legally? Bad doctors will give hrt to people that young unless they have other health conditions
@@princesszombie6343 nope, completely legally, i was diagnosed with gender dysphoria at 5 years old, i have kleinfelter syndrome
Lila is so pretty,and is so true and genuine, I feel sorry she had to go through those horrible dates
I as a transwoman think policies in my country, Switzerland, are good. Here it is legal to transition medically when you're 17. For me that means, I could transition because I am seventeen
Before this video, I watched "Do All Trans Men Think The Same" from this same channel. The video autoplayed, and I got nervous, because I can't STAND Jubilee. Which is super unfortunate, because I love this format!
After watching that video and this one, I'm happy to subscribe to this channel. It's so refreshing to see actual nuanced discussions with this gamified style! It's what I always wished this style of video could be. Thank you so much for the incredible work you've done!! 💚
Why can’t u stand jubilee /genq
Just started this one but I have to say… Trevi’s lookin supa dupa fly! Love this channel! Just discovered it literally a few hours ago and am living for the content 😊
We don’t need gender theory in schools, we need to teach kids common kindness and respect and that’s truly what kids are lacking now. If you encounter a trans person and you’re shocked by it, then you can go ask questions, but still be able to show common human decency
There already is gender theory in schools, you just don't call it that
I think it could be added into sex education. Talking about human anatomy and how some people might be dealing with that confusion and explain it a little bit so kids won’t feel so confused. Not have a full gender theory thing but let them know hey these thoughts can be normal to have you’re not weird
@@lowrider0013Nah. You’ll confuse kids by teaching them about a problem they don’t need to worry about. And if a child NATURALLY shows signs of gender dysphoria, they need counseling. Not to be treated special by all their peers.
@@lowrider0013 SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK 🗣🗣
@@lowrider0013exactly. Just a little “hey, these ppl exist. There’s nothing wrong with them. If you have any uneasy feelings or concerns on the matter there are resources to help you”. That’s it. But they dont want that bc they WANT to fill their kids w hate and not to accept others.
For that first question. Trevi is so right about trans girls and bottom surgery, but that’s one reason I don’t like seeing conversations like these with such black and white options for answers, because some trans girls don’t ever want bottom surgery, or would be dead if they didn’t transition young. Better to have surgery complications than be dead, right? And for trans men and trans masc people, there aren’t developmental downsides that complicate surgery. Getting on blockers could prevent the need for top surgery all together. Some people being well suited for medical transition starting in early adolescence, and some not being well suited to it, make it hard to answer with one statement of “I agree” or “I disagree”. I also think “should trans kids be able to medically transition” and “should they be able to do it without parental consent” should be separate questions.
I rarely comment on YT but kudos on this episode. It got me thinking and I learned things.
That’s great :D
I see Trevi and I click immediately
Sameee, I love her sm
Same me too. She looks fantastic
Is she that popular RUclipsr back in the day who was also on X factor?
@@benjaminbaird-kerr3500 yessir
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I’m really surprised how many disagreed with transitioning children. I myself, am against transitioning children as well and I feel like all we hear is trans people fighting against it. I feel like it’s one of the biggest points of contention between the trans community and everyone else. So it was nice to hear that there are trans people that understand children are impressionable and to let them be children until they are old ego make a decision.
Old enough **
@@shauntelhall6329We all agree with you. Including Brian who is using them for profit for his great value jubilee nonsense.
It's honestly encouraging to me to see that. Maybe a sign that this are changing culturally. More people waking up to the danger of it. Idk
@@BriannadaSilvathere’s definitely the beginning of a pendulum shift starting to happen right now. You can see signs of it everywhere and is only starting to spread and pick up speed.
Yes, I agree totally. I was surprised and very heartened to know there are trans people that do care about the risk to kids in so many ways. And that is what we are safeguarding against.
3:36 - I think the puberty blockers are more harmful than the cross-sex hormones. I also think Trevi is very right in her answer to this one. The first puberty has to reach a certain point, *then* one can transition, so there can be proper sexual development and function. It is ideal to transition at around 15-17 honestly, to allow for maximal cross-sexual development without losing a chance for proper adult sexual function. I agree wholeheartedly that nuances and precautions have to be met as a minor for transitioning sexes but there has to be an allowance for some physiological change, otherwise time is wasted.
I also think the question was oddly framed. Parental consent is vital as a minor, because a minor legally and societally is at the will of their parents, their caretakers, as much as themselves.
The evidence doesn’t support that they’re more harmful
Evidence shows that puberty blockers leave no permanent effects. And that's on trans kids and well as cis kids. Because also puberty blockers weren't created for trans kids, they were actually created for kids who begin puberty too young. E.g. a friend of mine who showed signs of puberty aged 8. She was born female and is still a woman, not trans in the slightest. But she was on puberty blockers for years. And they left no permanent effects, just as the studies show too
@@theo4869 in that case, neither must be harmful. One suppresses sex hormone secretion, the other replaces it
@@RG_Eph is either harmful?
Lilah always becomes the center of attention in every video she’s in
Lilah is soooo funny and smart. I also love her voice.
If it is a trans person, like now claiming it is a ''she'' it means it is actually a He, so call the guy a he. Factually born a he is a He, male, so if someone is born a She then it is a She as in female!
Symptom of a disorder lolz
@@manbeckli can listen to her talk for hours
@@tnh0820 💯
As a t girl myself, I grew up with fear of being me, and was forced to tuck it away, yet some things I still did that showed and cried out who I am, and when alone At home I’d try looking the way I felt, and smile the only true time I felt myself, when I finally got online and tried being me, I was called motherly, loved, sweet, pretty, and I realized I could be free as me even if some had their opinions over not cis so don’t want to date, that’s ur preference even trying dates now is same and I let folks be, I’m open to it at the start only to know if they would reject or hate me, or willing to know me for being so open of myself. I married a nbny partner that let me at first be me, but after so many viewed me as cis and her as the t person they began to push me into a box too, and other things that lead to us failing and losing my own kids too, the fear of me being trans and open had to be hidden to DSS in fear that alone would take our kids, when I told them finally and showed myself they saw me as the real mother of the kids and my partner was the bio mom but acted like the other parent, they even directed me as such in court when we had to speak. I might had lost my job when I started htr because they was shammed of me and I reported them and left, but now 5yrs in, even if family isn’t gun Ho about it, they don’t try forcing me to be with them since they can’t accept me as me, and I let them be, I got online family and friends and even younger kids seek me out for love and support as that mother or sister ect and glad I can help folks, or nurture them into how the world is now (even if I got many bad days and reasons for negativity) I’m alive maybe to guide and shine on someone who needs me, so I live for that alone. ❤
Huni is so pretty !!
too bad her voice gives it away instantly
@@its-tinyavocado uh, huni´s voice wasn't mentioned in the comment? they were talking about her looks only. plus, the thing about that her voice gives it away instantly was unnecessary.
incredible crowd here, dope video, comments are about as bad as you would expect.
3:08........... this isn't even a thought or an opinion... it's a whole memorized script
I think a lot of the trans people in thos video who say trans and gay rights should he separate dont know the statistics around sexuality within the trans community. The guy who said being trans is intersectional is so right. Trans people are 35% more likely to be queer in their sexuality than cis people are. So while there is a lot in the trajs experience that is different, theres SO much that is the same. Also the more we separate queer gender and queer sexuality, the less welcome trans people have become in queer spaces. I remember when gay trans men were fully welcome in gay clubs. And yet a year ago a friend of mine was hate crimes by a gay man in a gay club and rhe response from the venue staff was essentially "well you shouldn't have been in here pretending to be a man then". It was hideous treatment and definitely not the norm, but its so obvious that this sort of treatment is happening because of the separation between queer gender and queer sexuality and its just really sad
My biggest issue is the uneducated misinformation spread about trans statistics. Your personal experiences don’t change the stats. And specifically with what Mich said about “kids aren’t medically transitioning its really only puberty blockers and a social thing” is false. There are numerous stories: a girl children at 15 got a double mastectomy, and later regrets it. Children are often not mentally developed enough to make these choices, choices that can and will permanently alter their bodies. There are assuredly trans kids who having a medical interferences will save the life of, the issue is whatever system we are using to determine who those kids are is broken. There shouldn’t be a single child getting medical surgeries and regretting them. A Psychatrist should be doing a thorough screening of them over the course of multiple years before making certain surgical decisions, and at the least many months for medication. Have detransitioners that are children permanently altered only worsens the movement.
you mention how anecdotes dont change statistics then you immediately go and use an anecdote of regret to say no one should be allowed, even though the statistics show an extremely low regret rate, and saying there should be 0% regret rate is a super super super unrealistic bar, every medical procedure has regret rates no matter what, and on top of that the regret rates for trans surgeries is waaaaaaaay lower than most if not all elective surgeries. you word it as if most regret and only a small handful are actually helped by it even though its the opposite. talk about uneducated about statistics...
@@lilac_witchthere are no studies that are proper and adequate that show the *actual statistics, including regret rate!!* The studies you’re referencing are not adequate studies and are being rejected across the globe, except for here in America!*
There are *no studies and no statistics* on ppl who transitioned as a child, including puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and irreversible surgeries, the regret rate, the detransition rate, the suicide rate and if it improved/decreased, got worse/increased or stayed the exact same, long term complications (including listing out said complications), etc etc. *_Hell, we couldn’t even perform a study such as that right now bc this hasn’t been going on long enough to have enough participants and have the correct amount of time to adequately perform the study and observe the outcomes,etc. As well as have a control group w enough participants and enough time passing to have the long term data and statistics to quantify for it being an adequate, whole and unbiased research study!!_*
it’s very funny you talked about statistics and then you went and named anecdotes
Even if doctors were not altering children with puberty blockers, hormones and surgery (which they are) even 'just social transition' deeply affects a child's development. It's adults telling them that yes indeed, they really are or could be the wrong sex. And it destroys their opportunity to outgrow it on their own.
None of this should be taught or affirmed in schools. And should be removed from mainstream entertainment. Especially children's entertainment.
@@TheRiskyforeverWas thinking the same thing.
But with stuff like this it's always "facts over feelings" and then they just proceed to pull shit out of their ass, show facebook quotes and anecdotes...
But that’s not what happens and you guys know that because you’ve been through the process there is no figuring out if this is for you is automatic affirmative care for everyone. 3:07
Affirmative care just means that the doctor won't try to prove them wrong. We use affirmative care for everything mental. If someone says "I think I should get divorced", a psychologist isn't telling them "that's a mistake and here's why..." they say things like "why do you feel like you want a divorce?" The same thing happens with trans healthcare. The doctors focus on why they feel that way, and don't tell them they're wrong, but instead ask questions to get them to think about it from different perspectives, to really dig at the reason they think that way.
The prompts seem a bit leading I would work on using more neutral language
Trans people started Pride. Trans people have fought alongside with gays and lesbians since the very beginning. The community is intertwined and needs to support each other. Separating causes is separating communities and we need MORE people fighting for these rights, not fewer. Trans rights are human rights. Transphobia exists in the LGB'T' community and we need to ALL work together to push against this.
I love this. No BS. Common sense perspectives. Well thought out. Real people with real experiences. Compassionate responses. The level of empathy. As it should be, good job😊
I told my family about this comment. Thank you
Common sense perspectives? Share which one you mean?
Yes. These people have had to sit down and form an opinion. They’ve been tested rigorously by others on their opinions. They don’t get the luxury of just parroting what they hear from others and moving on. They’re going to be tested and I think it shows.
@@Bhbefoswell said
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I'm so affectionate to these people after watching the video❤
They're just all so beautiful ❤️ I wish nothing but the best for them.
@armvnic, Totally agree; and have to add to that, very brave and inspirational.
Regarding the grade school question: I think it'd be impossible to teach about trans people only at entry level, the kids would have questions.
Yes obviously, but those questions can be answered in a grade-school-friendly way. Explaining to a child that your gender is different from your body isn’t extremely difficult to explain in a child-friendly way. And it’s definitely not more difficult than explaining other topics children learn about in grade school, like slavery or war. If we can teach children about that, then certainly we can teach children what being trans is??
It’s not that complicated for little kids actually. I have 6 year old boys and have told them that there is the sex which is the body parts you are born with (which are most often boy or girl parts, but sometimes a little more complex and may not fit simply into those categories) and then there is gender, which is whether your brain tells you you feel like a boy, girl, or something in between. Basically nobody knows better how you feel in your body than you do and if someone tells you who they are you should believe them.
Kids having questions? OH NO lol
@@theamaeve8175 you completely missed the point of my comment 💀
@user-in7bu8jk8v I AM queer?!?! Maybe try to actually understand where people are coming from instead of just assuming it's from a negative place. I don't see the point in schools teaching young kids about trans people when they're gonna eventually learn on their own anyway, I believe that if schools attempt to teach it on an entry level it's just gonna leave kids with a false idea of what gender is/what it means to be trans especially because of the amount of kids who think dresses and the colour pink = girl and vice versa. I think it makes more sense for kids to naturally develop an understanding of gender as they go through life
I noticed you skipped all the major topics such as trans people in sports, in prison, giving birth, biology, not being able to actually change the sex. Otherwise interesting video & I wish them the best.
If you want transphobic talking points you clicked the wrong video m8
@@mshoney9301”if you want an actual discourse don’t click this video by a gay man who himself wouldn’t entertain you Ellen pages”
@@PatricenotPatrick Because it's not actual discourse without transphobia lol cis moment
@@mshoney9301 “normal moment” sir i fixed it for you.
@@PatricenotPatrick It's not normal to erase gender identity because you can't handle the existence of transgender people freak lol
I don't know who need to hear this, but fuck the labels. If labels make you feel comfortable in yourself, then go for it. But don't let them overwhelm you. You don't have to fit into a box. Be YOU.
I feel like medical transition or just transition in general should not happen with children, not because of really denying who they are but as they learn to grow and become adults it is a stressful experience and adding transition experience on top of that isn't a good thing. I feel like around 16 should be an age where the conversation of medical transitioning can start. Because until then we are learning about ourselves. I know a number of people who took blockers and realized later they weren't Trans but just a more feminine or masculine.
The only medical transition for kids is puberty blockers, which are safe and reversible. It could prevent a lot of trauma.
Agreed
Thank you for this video!
" what is children" at 0:24, man oh man, we are screwed if we don't even know what children is anymore in 2023.
Jesus, they obviously are asking what age they are referring to. There’s a difference between ages 5-10 and 14-18.
Yes they do. Thats why they target them.
A persons brain isn't fully developed until age 25. If people think kids (who can't even buy a pack of cigs or vote) can consent to irreversible hormone shots and major surgery to remove their body parts; the people who think kids can consent to physical intimate contact will take that as confirmation they are right too.
A 3yr old who can't use a regular toilet without a booster seat can't consent, a 5yr old eating boogers and can barely write their name can't consent, an 8year old who believes in santa and the easter bunny cant consent, a 12 yr old who needs to be told to brush their teeth can't consent, and a 16yr old who needs to be reminded to do their chores without throwing a fit still can't consent to surgery to remove their genitals. I mean, plenty of 19yr old college kids can't even juggle a college routine to make it to class in time! But apparently, they're all expected to have the mental capacity to envision a lifetime of HRT and side effects??? Please🙄😒
I have a few trans friends, and some of them I wasn’t actually sure if they were trans, but I didn’t ask because it was none of my business. There was one time, I was making a lgbtq drawing with my team and I had to ask my friend if they were trans or not so I could draw their flag. I was curious, if you tell someone after asking (at an appropriate time) that you thought they were cis, if it is a compliment or is it offensive?
(Sorry if the English is bad I’m dyslexic :p)
depends on the person. i think that comment would just be unnecessary.
it depends on the person honestly, but its better to just not say that just in case they do get offended. me, personally, i dont get offended when people say they thought i was cis because i want to pass as much as possible, but that isnt important to everyone.
i think in that situation instead of asking if they were trans, it would have been better to ask which flag you should draw for them. that's what would have saddened me a bit lol, if i was the only person in that group being asked if they were trans
as a trans women, i think kids shouldnt transition until they are pass 18. thier minds are still growing. the parents are the ones who are allowing it. the parents shouldnt let them trnastion anyway until the child becomes an adult.
Totally agree I’m 15 but I would transition when I’m 19 or 20 bc I’ll be much more mature
@@laiswith2dots I totally agree you. And as you said, not everyone thinks like me and not everyone would agree, ofc. I would've not suffered mental trauma from depression and attempted suicide. But I respect your comment👍🏼
I think you meant woman, or do u identify as plural?
Hope you didnt dismember urself and feel good as a man
@@jodea2017 I meant woman and I know I'm biologically a male. Sometimes I do feel masculine tbh but still🧍🏽♀️😭
@@sweaterzzzz its that other way around 💀
The 3 (seemingly oldest) women have the most insight and are based in reality. Much respect. Unfortunately the younger trans people have been in an echo chamber where their ideas and statements and lifestyles aren’t challenged so reality can escape them. The older people have probably gone through much more adversity on their journey…maybe this is why they seem like the most intelligent of the group.
I think when people throw out statements saying “there’s high rates of suicide” it’s important to show the actual numbers. These statements without back are very dangerous and misleading, and that’s what creates popular opinion.
Although 1 suicide is too much, numbers are still important and should be added in and enforced
It don't have to be added at all .
82% of trans individuals have seriously considered suicide and 40% have attempted. This is from the national institutes of health from 2022.
Also, suicidality is caused by many things. And so is gender dysphoria. The two should not just be automatically linked together.
Finding the root of what is causing the suicidal feeling and working through that often brings an end also to the gender feelings and many other issues a person can have.
@@katvogue2871 why?
I get this is Brian's channel but he definitely shouldn't have gave himself so much screentime. It gives the perception that these trans folk were chosen because this gay man likes them instead of randomly choosen trans folks who will give insight on trans people's thought process.
I think transgender people can be introduced to any age appropriately. For example, for younger grade students, there are wonderful children’s books that include trans characters explicitly or even just trans ideas (like not fitting in; being different than you look). For upper grade levels, it can be something discussed in health class/sex ed.
i agree. i came out when my brother was 3. my mom just told him “[deadname] wants to be called [new name] now, and he is a boy.” he asked some questions and he understood! he loves me for me and he has no problems.
It hasn’t been safe. 4:39
My girl Trevi looks AMAZING!! 😍
Thanks for making this video. I am a 53 years old ex-transwoman from Malaysia who is living his wonderful life. I respect people’s choices and I appreciate if people would respect mine in return. Ex-LGBTQ people like me do exist. I have often been told shut up but I don’t think I can.
Exactly! And this problem began recently, too. For decades, the LGB and the trans were in suport and respect of each other's spaces and journeys. BY DEFAULT of our acronym being LGBT, we acknowledged that we each had our own space. The gender activists side is now turning against their own allies like LGBs and women but especially other trans who fought for the right to be recognized. They're attacking us for wanting to have safe spaces that reflect our specific experiences. Detransitioners are belittled as traitors and "not good enough" That's so sad, because there were always people from every aspect of LGBT that needed time to figure it out.
Keep raising your voice! We need you♡
It's okay to be detrans but not okay to go around saying transphobic things which is usually what people take issue with
as a trans person i do respect detransitioners (i think gender and sexuality are fluid and theres nothing wrong with changing your mind) but i do think its very common for the media to take a very small minority of detransitioners and use those stories to reflect the trans community as a whole, even though its a really small minority and the most common reason for detransitioning is bc of harassment or pressure n not bc that person was never actually trans. i think your story and identity is just as important and does deserve to be heard but not used against the rest of us to deny our rights, you know?
*I respect people’s choices and I appreciate if people would respect mine in return.*
There lies the problem. Thankfully I am not a Christian, nor do I live in Malaysia.
@@khanhminhnguyen7274 I don’t see any problem with that statement. Do subscribe. ❤️
I have a serious question and that is how many trans teens were committing suicide before trans was so well known (if that makes sense??)
My guess is too many. That's why I think family and community support is important
Probably it increased alot more because of so much hatecrimes bullying and discrimination
@@Valentino016those don’t even exist lmfao. There were 7 unsolved cases in 2021. Stop lying
@@Valentino016That doesn’t even exist. And we’re over the lies.
Probably a lot. Probably many of those deaths were not listed as transgender.
5:31 I don’t think that has anything to do with being gay or lesbian, and more to do with cisgender people having freedom of movement and accessibility to gendered spaces pertaining to they’re that trans people don’t.
The person in the purple shorts just said I know children that are so sure in their transition. Key word children.
I really enjoyed seeing the different views. Having a conversation not yelling bull shit back and forth.
Yes, kids can be sure on such a fundamental thing as gender. Consistently. And as evaluated by a professional.
I was sure I was a boy aged 4. I was then told I wasn't and had no clue about transgender people so I was raised without any education or help. In a bit remotely shocking twist, I'm still a boy and I transitioned (ftm) as soon as I found out I could when I was 19, with my medical transition starting at 21. Scientific study shows that a child's understanding of their gender first begins aged 3. That doesn't mean everyone knows at that age, but yes it's very much possible and does happen.
like most things, i think teaching about trans people specifically in schools is just not a good idea outside of a highly case-by-case basis.
are trans kids in the high schools of my area (or yours) actually emotionally safe among their peers (reference to increasingly polarized and bigoted politics being extremely accessible online, since i personally see that a LOT in kids around me)? how big is my area- just this one school zone, this city, this municipality, this province?
are the teachers going to actually be trans or have intimate understandings of transness from a variety of trans demographics (bipoc, disabled, displaced, etc) in their own lives? if it’s in schools, are the learning outcomes/class plans going to be accurate to trans reality or would it be a transness that cis people find most comfortable that’s presented instead? do these schools do well teaching about racism? so many places within and beyond the occident and whiteness have trans people entrenched in their culture’s history, and colonization fucked their shit and continues to this day- i don’t personally think schools would do well with teaching about trans people if those same schools had unsatisfactory (or literally non-existent) teachings about racism.
No one is sure of themselves at 12. Be fa real. If you're sure at 12 let's wait and see if you're still sure at 17 or 18.
When you grow that facial hair and Adam’s apple, and look like a man and you and harder, for you look like a woman. sure.
Common misconception: puberty blockers are safe and are fully reversible, there is no liability. If this drastically improve the way about themselves then there is no reason not to give it to them
Testosterone and estrogen do carry irreversible side effects but those are almost never given to kids…
fr, my mom thought she was a boy when she was a kid, but that was in the '70s so she didn't know what trans was. She stopped thinking she was a boy when she went through puberty
@@tylerjoseph7411No they aren’t. And we’ve all heard the regurgitated lies y’all repeat from twitter. Next. 🥱
@@tylerjoseph7411No they aren’t. Why do yall lie?
1:05
This argument is dangerously false. Plenty of ways to make things work
I don’t think kids should consent to being put on unnecessary medications that may have a negative side effect. They can wait until they’re older and more sure of themselves. They don’t have to take these medications as they don’t need them for survival
It can literally be life saving though (suicide rates amongst trans youth etc)
@bimmer3081 I was, and still am, a tomboy. At 12 years old If I were approached by people who convinced me the reason I wore boy clothes and played with action figures was because I was trans, my 12 year old self would believe they knew better. Children seek guidance from adults, particularly their parents.
@@cfowler7936 but nobody does that hun. It's not about convincing people they're trans but about considering It an option. Trans kids and tomboys can totally exist in the same universe
@@cfowler7936 that does happen in some cases which are wrong. But we’re talking about kids who are saying I’m a boy or I’m a girl at 12 and older and want to start their medical process so they can start to pass before puberty
@@julescolon6502 It's a lot of 'what if' when it comes to deciding what is best for a child. So many factors to consider. Which is why I favour not allowing them to take HRT before puberty.
“Children? Under 18?” Told me everything I needed to know.
Exactly. These degens don’t even know what a child is.
What did it tell you?
What did it tell you? I think it was a very fair question, children 12 and under can be different from teenagers. You can still believe they shouldn't transition but that doesn't erase the fact they are at different points in life
theres a massive developmental difference between say, a 12 year old or a 17 year old. those ages are relevant which is why laws like the drinking age, driving age, age of consent, age you can drop out of education etc etc etc vary so much place to place because we all agree that children shouldnt be doing these things but theres no one concrete right answer as to when its okay. its a relevant question
If you ever do a part two, I as a trans man would love to take part in it! Love these videos and the fact your platform is opening up conversation in a safe and respectful way. Kudos to you guys!
Woman*
@@Anahi1991obsessed much?
coming from the other video in which Lilah was, does she have Insta or something?
I know a trans guy who has taken hormes since he was like 12, with consent of his mother. If I didn't know he was trans, I would think he is a cis guy
man these comments suck lmfao
i love trevi so much ❤
Interesting views. When it comes to kids I don't think sexuality is something they should be needing to worry about so I don't see why any of it has. to be introduced so young. When they get closer to puberty and their bodies start changing is when these discussions are more appropriate. Basic math, history, spelling, etc are the main topics that grade school emphasizes. LGBT topics are quite simply more niche and make more sense at an older age. And it gives parents more time to bring up these topics in the way they want to. As for any type of medical transitioning (including beta blockers or testosterone), I'm totally against. I don't think the research is there, the thoroughness of care seems to be suspect, and it's just such a vulnerable period of so many teens lives that throwing in medication that may not be necessary, I see as a disaster. Honestly, I disagreed with most of them on many of these topics, but appreciate the perspective.
I feel the same way
Yeah after watching the Jordan Peterson interview with Chloe Cole I have a very strong stance against any medication or surgery during child and teen years.
A lot of kids even in elementary develop crushes. Being straight is also a sexuality so why shouldn’t the others be included?
@@kaylans8411 crushes aren’t a school subject for either straight or gay ppl. I don’t see your point. There a school counselors and parents around as well. It doesn’t need to be part of a curriculum.
@@Ray03595 sex education is taught around 5th grade. children ask a lot of questions. having crushes in elementary school is a mostly universal thing. so gay kids also have crushes too. queer children should be taught that it happens in the same way as straight people.
They all are so pretty
All of them (Purple shorts esp.) sound so misled/confused.
Red hair opened up to their personal feelings, they’re jealous of women.
didn't see Bill Nye coming
Trevi is such a classy, beautiful woman.
Trevi is so incredible i love her sm
Yeah still a man
@@TheSzutekinaand you’re still mad 💖🏳️⚧️
@@Tazradore Nah im good im not mentally ill 💅💅💅
@@TheSzutekinait’s crazy that you’ve taken the time to watch the video and comment on multiple different replies. So transphobic, but so invested. Maybe stop internalizing all the hatred and realize subconsciously why you’re here ❤ maybe you’ll learn something
this was a good video but for all the queers watching the comments are such a fucking cesspool be wary of trolls!! luv u
Kids can talk to their parents about who they are, or maybe one on one with a counselor or teacher. It doesn’t need to be taught to entire class. I figured out I was gay without my teachers teaching me about it in grade school.
Parents are not always the most safe people to talk to. Specially about stuff like this, a lot of parents are ignorant and invalidate their children.
In sex Ed we're taught what gay people are, same thing should be for trans people. Like they said in this video, the kids will interact with a trans person at some point and it lessens ignorance and hate if they're taught about all the different kinds of people that live on this planet
@@shiruki8974no. As a gay man, I’m so tired of y’all shaming parents and pretending that we want PDFile teachers to talk to. Are you serious?
@@cjthompson420 I'm gay too first of all. And where did I shame parents?? I said they're not always the safest people. Way to twist my words and not understand how common child abuse and non accepting parents are. And who brought up PDFfiles? Why are you calling teachers that? Who touched you as a kid? Dude, you're seriously reaching and trying to get mad at a valid point of teaching kids about the different humans that live alongside them. We were taught about gay people, why not teach about trans people?
@@shiruki8974 Nice try, pita filler. Lol. If you were really a gay man you’d know we didn’t need teachers to tell us about it.
@@cjthompson420 yeah, you don't become gay by people telling you about it🤨 is that what you're trying to argue with?? We were taught that "gay people exist, they're just like us, treat them like everyone else" how is that a bad thing?
Same thing should be taught about races, other sexualities and trans people. Literally to just teach that these people are a thing and they're human just like everyone else. Can't believe a gay man would be against such a thing. You're a blight on our community
Wow they are gorgeous ❤
"Medical transitions don't start when you're a kid"
Directly after says that 11 year Olds start on puberty blockers and then hormones and there are 15yr olds have gotten their healthy breasts chopped off.
Just because their physical breasts were healthy doesn't mean they don't hurt the person who has them is mentally. Body dysphoria truly hurts people, and once mental health is affected, it starts to affect the physical body too. It's all about the pros vs cons. Also puberty blockers have been used for cis kids for a long time. Even though I'm trans, I get where you're coming from tbh. Even I look at the trans comunity sometimes and think "dude wtf."
Puberty blockers are not a medical transition. They're used as treatment for kids who begin puberty too young (e.g. my friend who showed signs of puberty aged 8) and have been long before they were used on trans kids. They just put a pause on puberty, they don't make any permanent changes.
How can you be trans AND straight?
because sexuality and gender identity are completely different things, which is also why there's the discussion of separating LGB and T
Trans ideology is about identify. Straight, Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual is about sexual preferences. When sex is involved trans will have to fit into the preferences no matter what they identify as.
lol they can’t answer you. They can’t even tell you what a woman is while sitting up in a whole dress asking us to call them one.
@@chefssaltybawlz One minute they say gender is a spectrum and the next it's a social concept. Now gender is social concepts in terms of how men and women dress and/or what roles are played so they try to use this to fit their ideology. They like to say that gender and sex are different. Okay, that's fine. This means that your sex doesn't change from your birth.
@@rodb66 EXACTLY HOMIE! 🤦🏿♂️ my sister is married to her gal (she’s 41) and at thanksgiving last year I told her about how Gen Z is walking back the equality we fought for. I had to end the conversation because she got so frustrated asking why would she date a man? Sis that’s what I’m saying lol. I’m sooooo happy for her and her wife because in 2023, both of them would be gaslit by the Mulvaney community. And this Brian guy clearly is using them for quick profit. Because he was handed a life of being equal he didn’t have to fight for 🤷🏿♂️
This will sound cringe but when I was a teenager I was more than sure I was "not cis". Asked my parents if I can have breasts removed at 15, they told me to wait. I was broken that I have to wait? Wait for what? During that time I had a very stressful relationship with my developing body. When I was 17 I changed schools with less LGBT promotions and narratives. When I was 18 I was thanking my parents for not listening to me. My breasts became the symbol of a womanhood - something I couldn't accept back in the days. I am now a 25 years old woman and I am thankful that I waited - teenage years are very scary to survive especially knowing how most of kids don't accept their bodies
Don’t worry it doesn’t sound cringe, and I’m not at all trying to invalidate your experience- your gender journey is just as valid as anyone else’s 💗 But PLEASE do not use your experience to fuel the misconception that any child who says they’re trans or wants gender-affirming care is wrong!!! Again, your experience is completely valid, but it is in the MINORITY, and transphobes are very quick to cling onto any message they think affirms their preexisting beliefs, *especially* if they think it’s from the “other side”
bffr there are NO schools that “push” an lgbt narrative. You mean they didn’t demonize queer people and you felt ok exploring your relationship with gender? 😱and ofc now that you felt your feelings and decided they weren’t for you you’re pushing the narrative that the queer’s indoctrinated you and they’re all evil and out to corrupt your children. 🙄
It would be interesting to have detrasitioners in the same video to have more counter point discussion
Yup.. the pHARMa BS love selective statistics
Absolutely! For example the guy with lilac shorts was spreadig full on lies when he said that kids aren't being transitioned
@@kaisla_onerva oh shut up they arent being transitioned
@@kaisla_onerva its an exaggeration, not a "full on lie". his saying "no one" was just like saying literally when you actually mean figuratively. the point is that the anti trans movement has made detransitioners and children getting medically transitioned into the centre of the conversation when both of those are in actual fact a very very very small minority and should not be what hinges on the other 99% (a generalisation not an actual statistic, we need more studies) of us losing our rights. he just phrased it wrong but his actual point still stands
I disagree. I think it's important to have a space where it's just trans people talking because the opinions of trans men and trans women can be wildly different. But if we want detransitioners in a video which would be great, make it a separate video. Some of the same people, sure, but then make it "do trans people and detransitioners think the same". Putting detransitioners in a video titled "do trans people think the same" would be inappropriate
Mich contradicted themselves within seconds. So backwards
my thing is this my child should be going to school learning how to do math how to read books and how to form sentences and learning how to spell my child should not be having to learn about sexuality until they hit about 7th or 8th grade
if you don't have a problem with them being taught about slavery then you shouldn't have a problem with this. slavery is a worse topic.
@@mentikula again why should a child have to learn about his sexuality at a young age ... Like don't you find that werid one.
Two since when did I ever talk about race or slavery one I wouldn't have a problem with my child learning about slavery because one it would be learning about their ancestors and how their ancestors were treated back then so no I wouldn't have a problem with that cuz that's history but so why are we talking about slavery when they are talking about sexuality and how children are learning about sexuality
@@jahnellyoung5507 well where I'm from children are taught the basics of sexual reproduction in primary school, so no, I don't think it'd be weird at all to throw in some information on how not everyone likes the opposite gender or even any gender that way and some like their own gender or more than one gender. Why would it be weird? Seems like it could save them a lot of confusion, especially if any of them start puberty early, just like learning about menstruation in fourth grade really helped out my classmate who had her first period shortly after we discussed the subject.
I don’t think sexuality should be taught. I think it should just be normalize, but it’s not. Like some people have two Dad some people have two moms. sometimes you’re older brother becomes your older sister and you’re 10-year-old learning about that because you care about your big sister. My little brother knows about me being trans and he is 11 and he knew about this and he was 8. He still wants to live as a boy. My parents didn’t tell him anything gross just simply your big brother is now your big sister
sex education (as in learning about reproductive organs, periods, contraception etc) is taught throughout childhood at an age appropriate level. we already teach children about gender roles and sexuality subconciously from birth (boys like blue and cars and action movies and girls like pink and barbies and makeup, that boy is "pulling your pigtails" because he likes you, boys will be boys, girls have to follow a dress code at school and boys dont, etc etc etc) and honestly acting like anything outside of being cis and straight is sexual and inappropriate for kids is gross. there are ways to teach kids about diversity and compassion age appropriately.
Does that one girl not think that being gay is illegal in Dubai? She sounds like she is trying to say being trans is harder than being gay
It is harder to a certain extent
@@makenzee3222 it’s not.
@@kay-kd9vc how is it not? Trans people (trans women specifically) get more hate thrown at them than gay people…that is a fact. I’ve experienced life from both perspectives & I’ve never seen so much hate towards gay people as I have being trans. Thank God I’m passable & benefit from passable privilege bc if I didn’t…whew!
@@makenzee3222 that’s not a fact. how do you measure hate? what metrics are you going by?
@@kay-kd9vc have you lived from both perspectives? If you haven’t then your opinion is invalid & baseless. Have a nice day
Transitioning children is really a vague question to be honest. What age do you consider a child to young? What age do you consider a child old enough? Why is 18 more mature and educated on their own body than a 17 year old? etc etc. What do you consider medically transitioning? Puberty blockers and HRT are 2 way different things, but are both considered medical.
If I had a say when I was younger (age 5 I knew I was trans, going through puberty at 10 made me try to kill myself) you can be damn sure I would have transitioned medically. Now because of the shit education system of America back in those days, I had no idea trans men even existed till I was the age of 40. I could have saved myself a good 30 years of self harm, body shame, depression, anxiety, and suicide attempts. You have no idea the level of envy I have towards younger people who do get to transition now days. The same ones who still cry about how long they had to wait, at the age of 18 or even earlier. Lucky bastards.
I just want to give a special shout out to bigots, haters and transphobes, you are the only reason I found out what trans men were or what gender dysphoria even meant. Your loud angry ignorant voices made this information possible!
Also, there really should be 1 or 2 older people on these panels. I know it blows some peoples minds, but older LGBT+ people do exist (you know, people post age 20s lol), that can add a lot to these conversations having been through a lot more in their longer lives. That or start labeling these videos "do all trans people in their 20s think the same?" or more so along the lines of "do all 6 of these specific trans people in their 20s think the same?" :P (seeing as 6 people is NOT considered "ALL".)
It sucks how in the first question the only one who agreed was building their argument based off false information, like for starters children ARE being put on hrt hellooo detransitioners are real and the number is going up. It’s just so sad
Yes! And the suicide rate thing is just patently false
I was actually pleasantly surprised with this line up they were so real, I know there's many batches of people that wouldn't have dared to touch the disagree side due to fear of backlash
@BriannadaSilva how is it false?
@@connor5669 the actual statistics don't back it up
@@BriannadaSilva We have a ton of data on the suicidality of trans people and trans youth.
Okay hear me out…..I think we should flesh out the idea that it might cause false positives to teach 100% of elementary students about something that effects maybe 0.5% of elementary students??
But like 0.3 people become doctors in the US. Does that mean we should never mention the profession in schools?
There are 1.6 million trans people in the US. I think it’s relevant…
@@tylerjoseph7411the ones yall beg for surgeries? be honest lol. You meant “should we not instill gender stereotypes on kids?” Smh. Let them figure themselves out and stop imposing your stereotypes
What does “effect” mean to you? Are children with a trans family member, classmate, neighbor, teacher etc. not effected in your eyes?
It’s not just important for trans kids to know about transness.
It’s important to teach kids about people who are different from them.
If they’re not given a heads up about different kinds of people they will meet it can make those interactions confusing or even scary.
idk, I think only being taught about being cisgender as an option _already_ causes plenty of false positives.
What percentage of adults actually use trigonometry after high school math class? Lol
I wouldve liked to hear, if they think detransitioning is something that should be taught in schools as well?
REEALLYYY GOOD QUESTION FOR SURE.
trevi literally said that in the video next time watch it before u comment
@@ok-yc7bs I did watch it and it wasn’t a question one person said and no one else said anything about it.
trevi said she thinks both sides of trans should be taught in school, for example she said like u can be a guy who likes dresses and that does not mean ur trans and they should teach that to avoid confusion and that u may regret transitioning@@makeitezr93
@@ok-yc7bswhy are you so agressive
That girl at 1:00 gave the dumbest possible argument in the whole world WOW
Yeah, because there are other kinds of vaginoplasty like colon and peritoneal in which the penis tissue isn't used for the creation of the vaginal canal and also not everyone is interested in SRS. Then people who go through puberty may want to get surgeries to reverse the effects of puberty which can cost a lot of money and be very intense, like FFS, top surgery and OMG laser hair removal: it's so costly and the results can be very deluding
Just a suggestion - it would be helpful if there was some details beside about the identity of people in these videos because sometimes it's not clear unitl later on
You’re right thank you! What else do you think would be helpful info in the start?
Info such as gender identity, their preferred pronouns, sexual and romantic preferences
trevy looks so good
Why would you think we need to educate on trans things if we don't even do that for straight or gay people in schools I highly disagree with that and I highly disagree with allowing children to transition period
Austin, they do educate on straight “things”. It’s called Sexual Education, Sex Ed for short. But since gay, trans, nonbinary people exist, and they’re not mythical creatures like unicorns or elves, it needs to be taught equally. If a parent doesn’t allow their child to be taught Sex Ed in school, that’s up to the parents. If it’s because it includes non heterosexual concepts, that’s just being bigoted, irrational and immature.
TREVI!!! ❤
I question MIch's response only because he told us in other videos that he transitioned really late....
why the fuck is Mitch lying saying medical transition isn’t happening to kids ??? That’s a blatant lie we’ve seen so many cases of children taking hormones even going as far as having top surgery . Like that just pissed me off that’s a blatant lie .
Source?
@@smns34087 any children’s hospital gender clinic. Time to Think by Hannah Barnes about the Tavistock. Any lawsuit against a clinic for transitioning a child with mental health issues, such as Layla Jane’s Kaiser Permanente lawsuit for getting “top surgery” at 13.
@@smns34087 just off the top of my head Chloe cole and jazz Jennings and those are cases essentially everyone knows who both had hormones and surgery under the age of 18
@@molleybrackney9585those are two actual people u mentioned. And just saying ‘everyone knows someone’ isn’t a source either.
@@gardeniabrune2125 I’m not making these people up … it’s documented that both of these people have had gender related surgery under the age of 18 you can literally look it up the internet is free and not only that they admit this themselves . Mitch made a statement claiming children aren’t getting this type of care and i negated it with two well known examples … would you like a link to an article or one of their videos talking about this ?? Like don’t play dumb
Darwin -ed 😮
its so sad they say their born trans but kids need consent. losers
Some people figure it out later in life. Some might not know what to think. It’s very situational unfortunately.
It's so people don't cancel them
Why exactly should it be up to teachers to talk about children's sexuality and gender identity? Isn't that a parents job?
most parents do not know how to be parents.
lol we know why… look at the pita filler above me. We all see through it.
@@chatterandcheersteacher here, and even though that is true, there are still things we are supposed to withhold from students because of preconceived notions instilled by family members. If we cannot force faith/ and other beliefs on children- heck we aren’t even supposed to tell students Santa isn’t real when organizing certain lesson plans relating to Christmas, then why should it be our job to inform them on this? 🤔
parents are why most kids nowadays cannot read past a 4th grade level. I’m not sure they can have these conversations
@@turquoisestranger7566 I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you saying it's a _good_ thing that you are not allowed to challenge the notions family wants to enforce on their kids and that you are not allowed to teach them the truth about certain subjects, such as the existence of santa? Or are you being sarcastic and pointing out _other_ things that you *also* should be allowed to provide a different perspective on or bring up?
LGBT having trans included is tricky we are much much stronger united as one front and we all understand the bigotry that comes from cis society, but at the same time trans is a whole different realm of identity and issues.
How you feel about yourself and how much money spent on transitioning is not justification for dismissing other people’s beliefs and right to informed consent. Dismissing how other people feel as bigoted and unworthy of respect is why many people don’t respect trans women. Dating and having physical contact with men without disclosing cannot be justified for any reason. Pretty sick thing to do to someone.
Completely agree.
right to informed consent? do you also need to know your sexual partners' social security number, whether they've had their appendix surgically removed and whether they are vegan to be able to give _informed_ consent? is that necessary information for you to be able to consent? do you need a medical history too? maybe a list of the medications they take?
@@LeyCarnifex Stop being daft. None of the things you mention is comparable to being the sex opposite from what you present as. To even suggest that a man sleeping with another man is the same as a man sleeping with a vegan woman is absurd, but you already know this. Stop trying to trivialize same-sex relationships to heterosexuals.
There's a word for people who coerce, lie and impose themselves sexually without consent.....
Just saying.😒
she is a phenotypic female@@adw802
I absolutly love the "holding hands not conjoined twins."
Can you do this type of video but for black people
It is not possible for a 13 or 14 year old to be "so sure of themselves." That is a dangerous statement.
100%.
Gender is a psychological construct. Teenagers aren't changing their gender like it's a fashion trend
you don't see people say the same about teenagers that age saying they know they're straight? it goes both ways
@@mentikula that's called grooming
@jaysanford7177 how can you compare sexual attraction to taking meds and having surgeries that permanently altering their bodies, potentially making them sterile, sending them into menopause, having botched surgeries which SO many people are having because this is still an experimental surgery and the only one where doctors allow you to live with completely botched outcome and tell you to live with it. No teen can fully understand what they are signing up for, but they can understand the rush of attraction which happens at a young age naturally.
They're all really pretty, and made some really valid points ❤ aside from the transgender theory being taught in grade school.. just no. Sure, its peetty important, but GRADE SCHOOLERS? Kids barely even know anything yet. At least wait until highschool years
Blockers have been proven not to be healthy
Eh, not all of them. In fact, puberty blockers have been used on cisgender kids.
@@--SodaPop-Yes temporarily - but over time blocking the hormones can cause the same complications as the hormones they eventually take. Young people are experiencing menopause, sterilization and more because of these things and what's worse is they arent being told that these are the potential outcomes and children cannot even truly understand what those things will mean for them in 5 or 10 years. Most of information about transitioning/detransiting is only based on the first 5 years after transition with thr main focus being on the first 3 years yet most detransitions happen between 8 and 9 years ehen people recognize who they truly are in their 20s - by then so much irreversible damage is already done and even wirse if they've moved on to surgeries.
@@naomih1073 sterilization never happens only with hormone blockers, sterilization is removing the genitalia by surgical means, what can happen is losing fertility permanently and for something to really have permanent effects, it needs to be taken for about 3 to 6 years without stopping and there are not always permanent side effects, and at that point, the child is no longer a child and can make the decision on their own whether or not they want to transition.
@@yelwera lupron is one of the same drug they give to kids and to pedophiles - which chemically castrates.
Go through the wrong puberty due to your condition is like... Bad. Like "oh no you can't have this spirolactone because side effects, therefore enjoy your soon to be there mustache and deeper voice young lady."
Let doctors be doctors. They are aware of the cost of delaying treatment as well as the costs of treatment
I dont agree with the questions
BRIAN you really are doing good for others w these questions as they open up vulnerable conversations THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED LOVE YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS 💖💝
You see who has a brain from the start of the video, the purple shorts guy doesn’t have one!
The bathroom thing is simply because ANYONE can identify as trans even if they don't pass in any way. There have been assaults on women & young female adolescents because of this. It's not trans fault but we need to come to an agreement.
Exactly! I mean, horrible men will assault women in bathrooms either way-SA charges are way worse than wrong-bathroom charges-but don't give those men an easy loophole to perv on women and children... The easy answer (I think) is simply: "do you pass well enough to be in danger _yourself_ in the men's room?" And not just visibly, but physically as well. Like, I pass pretty damn well, I'm barely 5'5, and I was the only woman at my old office who had to ask for help with refilling the water cooler. I don't think I belong in the men's room.
Like, I have a history of SA: first in the boy's bathroom and locker room in middle/high school, then I narrowly avoided a potentially very bad situation in the men's room right after transitioning (I live in a very conservative state and thought it was a good idea; I'm not smart). Trust me when I say that I'm the last person who wants men or might-as-well-be-men in the ladies' room, but there has to be a common sense solution that protects females _and_ those of us who are in genuine danger from using facilities with men!
@@RangersGirlJackie99 thanks for sharing your experience, I agree with you. I also think a 3rd bathroom option would help everyone, ive experienced it in college on the LGBTQ friendly dorm floor, worked great for everyone. Thus those who are comfortable sharing their space can use it, those who dont pass either way or are new in transition ect then would have their own space. Instead of making a select group of people uncomfortable & share.
Im glad that this isnt jubilee where its all right wing bs and is actually just a level conversation
Would have been great if Blair White, Buck Angel or Marcus were there. You basically got a bunch of people who think the same, that's call a echo chamber 🤦♂️🤷♂️.
that’s pointless
buck and blair debate for a living. that wouldn’t be a level playing field
It’s nice to see new faces and not have only a few people being the faces of Trans people for the public on everything. The more variety you see within any group, the better you understand them all.