I'm transgender in Missouri, and guess what! My neighbor across the street is also a Trans man. I think we might be the only two trans people at our school so, I believe the very low amount of trans people in Missouri but I lucked out with having someone going through the same thing as me be one of my close trusted friends.
im also a trans man in missouri!! i live right outside kcmo so it is slightly more accepting here, but there is still very few people who are brave enough to be out publicly :(
I personally believe in transparent honesty in relationships. I think you should expose who you are from the start. I hate that they call us CIS though. I don't want to be a part of their verbage or their reasoning of who I am.
@@marcelusdarcy ye, but just "woman" means it, theyre transwoman, you can be woman, not "cis woman" the useless terminology just to let em feel better and not "different" is so idiotic and ignorant cuz they wanna be called "woman", so they put different prefixes to make "woman" word as a "group of x,y,z", which is pathetic.
@@JEsterCWthere's portions of their chosen speach that is geared toward transhumanism. Being a transsexual it's so easy to spot it all. Btw they're close to males carrying * giving birth.
She seems a bit ignorant though, the difference between 'real woman' and 'real female' even some trans people people get caught up on semantics and confused. Transitioned trans women should be allowed to live as women with similar courtesy afforded to female women and not criminalized, brutalized and attacked for who they are, all women trans and non trans have the same enemy and that enemy is not trans women.
18:09 comparing transitioning to stuff like drugs and smoking rly shows how misinformed the purple haired individual is on this topic. Transitioning is not dangerous, and no matter what age you are, usually you take a couple months to play around with things like makeup usually if you're going male to female, clothing, hair, pronouns, and names. If they make you feel great and you like the changes, then you can go on to the next steps and get stuff like hormones and surgeries. Doing it this way solidifies the trans persons confidence in who they are. As a trans woman myself I can say I would never go back to the way I was before, and I felt the same way when I was early in my transition too. All it takes is a little bit of time to make sure and this is not an issue at all. Really just another example of something that's extremely uncommon and usually not that harmful at all being told to everyone for the wrong purpose (transphobia).
Speaking as a trans-woman, I don't disclose on the first date. - Wait for it. I disclose prior to the first date. 1) It makes sure that we're all on the same page. 2) If someone's transphobic or a TERF, it means I'm not telling them when I'm alone with them. It means I'm telling them via a means that makes me feel safe, be it in a public place or through DMs.
A biology lesson: Most believe exclusively, that biological sex is caused by chromosomes, XX and you’re female, XY and you’re male. This is “chromosomal sex” but is it “biological sex”? Well... Turns out there is only ONE GENE on the Y chromosome that really matters to sex. It’s called the SRY gene. During human embryonic development the SRY protein turns on male-associated genes. Having an SRY gene makes you “genetically male”. But is this “biological sex”? Sometimes that SRY gene pops off the Y chromosome and over to an X chromosome. Surprise! So now you’ve got an X with an SRY and a Y without an SRY. What does this mean? A Y with no SRY means physically you’re female, chromosomally you’re male (XY) and genetically you’re female (no SRY). An X with an SRY means you’re physically male, chromosomally female (XX) and genetically male (SRY). Sex-related genes ultimately turn on hormones in specific areas on the body, and reception of those hormones by cells throughout the body. “Hormonal male” means you produce ‘normal’ levels of male-associated hormones. Except some percentage of females will have higher levels of ‘male’ hormones than some percentage of males. Same with ‘female’ hormones. ...if you’re developing, your body may not produce enough hormones for your genetic sex. Leading you to be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally non-binary, and physically non-binary. Cells also have something to say about it. Cells have receptors that “hear” the signal from sex hormones, but sometimes those receptors don’t work. Which means you may be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally male/female/non-binary, with cells that may or may not hear the male/female/non-binary call, and all this leading to a body that can be male/non-binary/female. Biological sex is complicated. Before you discriminate against someone on the basis of “biological sex” & identity, ask yourself: have you seen YOUR chromosomes? Do you know the genes of the people you love? The hormones of the people you work with? The state of their cells? Since the answer will obviously be no, please be kind, respect people’s right to tell you who they are, and remember that you don’t have all the answers. Again: biology is complicated. Kindness and respect don’t have to be. Note: Biological classifications exist. XX, XY, XXY XXYY and all manner of variation which is why sex isn't classified as binary. You can't have a binary classification system with more than two configurations even if two of those configurations are more common than others. Biology is a shitshow. Be kind to people.
@desmo-ciel I would gladly, but I find YT tends to not post outside links. 🫤 ...I'll try, but if it doesn't post, looking up "SRY Gene", will give you a lot of information. Stick with Pubmed, Medline, Science Direct or NCBI and you'll know the information is from a reputable source. An interesting aside, when the SRY gene does jump from a Y to an X...it's during sperm formation, so males are responsible for this mutation indirectly. It's their X chromosome that becomes mutated. "Key points about SRY gene jumping to the X chromosome: Mechanism: This occurs through a genetic mutation where a piece of the Y chromosome containing the SRY gene breaks off and attaches to an X chromosome during meiosis (sperm cell development). " ...doubt most men would be happy to know that DSD's occur, because their sperm is off. 🫤
@@desmo-ciel I've left you a few comments, but either they aren't showing "for me"...or YT is not keeping them posted. 🤷🏼♀️ Anyway, just Google SRY gene...and many sources will pop. An interesting aside, when the SRY gene does jump from a Y to an X...it's during sperm formation, so males are responsible for this mutation indirectly. It's "their" X chromosome that becomes mutated. "Key points about SRY gene jumping to the X chromosome: Mechanism: This occurs through a genetic mutation where a piece of the Y chromosome containing the SRY gene breaks off and attaches to an X chromosome during meiosis (sperm cell development). " ...doubt most men would be happy to know that DSD's occur, because their sperm is off. 🫤
Studying anatomy and physiology, I had a shock to discover this and it helped my own self acceptance of my gender dysphoria. After studying further I get very frustrated when people bring up chromosomes
I'm so confused with all the sexist comments here. Cis-Women is just a description of being a woman from the second of your birth, Trans-Woman is just a decriiption of a woman being a woman after a longer way. And just bcs you got sth between your legs doesn't mean that you have to be that. Your gender is based on your body AND how your identify. You can literally google it. It is the definition of gender. Why would it be a problem to feel not like your own gender? Nobody is complaning about you feeling good with your identity and body. So why is it so hard for some ppl to respect others when they are not feeling well with their body? What the actual hell?
It's a problem when the identifying person isn't acknowledging reality. Like in any way, as I've seen many trans ppl do. Ofc, do what you want, dress how you want but don't expect the whole world to see what you see, and again don't sit there and act like you aren't in any way still what you are/born as. Example, a person can identify as a bird, they could chirp like a bird, look like a bird but that doesn't mean they can fly and lay an egg. Also, also I'm one of the ppl who hate the cis thing. Like bro, Cis is made up. There have always been trans ppl and they never referred to ppl who weren't like them as cis. Sounds stupid honestly. This video title should've been titled trans women vs women. That's it.
@@passionneal7777 your arguments don't make any sense. Cis is not an insult or description that ppl are using just for fun. Transwomen for example are ppl born with male genitalia but identify as woman and maybe had surgery for their body, so they got female genitalia. Cis just means that you were born female and identify with that. It's a fact, it's not a fantasy thesis or sth. Even in science it's a thing and not controvesial. You can google it and you'll soon find a proof, that it's not made up. It's so easy to find😂 And your example has nothing to do with trans ppl. Birds are not even human, so ofc nobody would call you a bird even though your pretended to be one. That has nothing to do with gender and identity^^"
Biological woman ABSOLUTELY get judged for not wanting kids. They get judged for wanting them too, for that matter. Our fertility gets discussed in the most rude ways since we are girls, and family, friends and strangers alike will make comments and pass judgment on our choices (or lack of them if we can't conceive) without a second thought or any tact at all. Most women I know disclose their choice (whichever it is) when meeting a potential partner, unless they themselves don't know what they want. Brian, as a man, abstaining from commenting in such a biased way would have been the elegant and respectful thing to do.
The very complicated and nuanced science of biology does not use terms such as 'woman' or 'man', instead uses terms like female, male and intersex, so 'biological female' is the correct term not 'biological woman'. The alternate/punk bigot is wrong we don't see each others DNA everyone is judged on what they look like and behave like, the recent case of calling Algerian Boxer Imane Kalif "a man" because she did not meet the typical beauty standard proves transphobia harms those born female too. And FYI after a certain amount of time on cross sex hormones real changes in biology do happen so despite what uniformed people think trans women are no longer 100% biologically male anymore after years on HRT.
biological women dont get murdered for not wanting kids, which is a choice. transgender people, including trans children, get murdered for something they can not control about themselves
Confirmed, my aunt is probably the only family member of mine not to have children even though she has a partner and most of the family is making fun of her or criticizing her choices, some of them do it openly while talking to her and some behind her back. It's awful.
9:44 sexuality and being trans aren't exclusive. Being trans is a big part of who we are, and we should be honest and upfront towards potential partners so we don't waste their time. It is about being respectful.
don't waste their time and respect... sure, so any cis person should disclose that they're cis as well to respect and not waste other people's time. Come on, let's all overshare irrelevant and super personal things on the first date!!!
@lav-kitty i understand it might feel uncomfortable for transwoman to say they are trans but it is so much safer. Not everyone is cool with just saying "no thanks." Some guys respond with aggression because they feel cheated. Just because something in society shouldn't work a certain way doesn't mean that is the reality of it. Acting ignorant to ways we can keep ourselves safe is just moronic behavior.
@@cspi3r0wttv28 that's a whole different issue, people who are agressive like that will he agressive for anything, including giving the information right away
@@lav-kittymost people are, so that's redundant. Trans is basically a deviation of the norm, it shouldn't be an issue to be honest about that. It's okay to be trans right, so be open about that. Not everyone is into trans, and trans people also deserve someone that loves them for who they are, not who they pretend to be. Not disclosing that may as well be lying, and definitely is misleading. I fully agree that violence is bad, at the same time it's not wrong to advise people to think about their safety. Since it is a known issue that some men get violent when they feel misled like that. So again not condoning any violence, but if there are ways to prevent that why not do it?
@@RawrItsJuul First of all, the only reason trans is a deviation from the norm is because of how society views it. Secondly, no one owes you personal things about them that aren't relevant what you're saying about someone loving you for who you are, there's also 2 issues with that, first is, not everyone puts huge importance into being trans as a part of their identity, just like people aren't pretending to be straight if they don't say they're not, trans people aren't pretending to be cis, they're just existing. Second is, even when mentioning I'm trans is relevant, I'm not gonna give that information to someone I don't trust, if they truly love me for who I am, then they wouldn't mind only receiving the information later on.
@@pinksmoke25123 yeah I don’t care, the two are not related, not even close to being similar situations. It was a bad example to use in general. Kissing a female who doesn’t tell you she has a penis is different than kissing a girl who eventually wants to have children.
@@deving.4318 That’s not “kissing a female”. That’s kissing a man, a male, and heterosexual men DO NOT want to do that. That should be considered a type of sexual assault/misconduct. Your “identity” should be disclosed to whoever you are talking to for the purpose of romantic relationships. Just like a woman should disclose if she doesn’t want children to men she is dating, because children are important in heterosexual relationships. To not want children is an outlier, so it matters in romantic relationships.
@@leahjames6870wrong. STRAIGHT men are attracted to trans women hun. you’ve never stepped foot outside your house or have met a real man in your life clearly.
@@leahjames6870Only straight men are attracted to trans women hun, they’re women. Stop speaking on things you’re clearly uneducated about hun it just makes you look silly.
As a cis women, i treat trans women with the respect I would treat any other women. But we are different biologically and need to be treated as such in terms of medical conversations
As cis women I literally don't give a fuck about trans women they can live their life and I'll live mine I'll respect them they respect me I am tired of this debate
I think a host who does this type of content should not be bias. Keep your comment to yourself and let ppl express their emotions. I though it was trans and cis people’s opinion not Brian’s
It's so interesting because every time I watch something like this, I feel like the one who has the most judgmental/discriminatory views always just... uses the argument that the other side just disproved using science and logic? Like, the purple haired woman saying "we don't let children do something that could have massive consequences" right after hearing the other side talk about puberty blockers and how they have *no* consequences. Then she spoke of puberty and hormones when um, pretty sure puberty blockers BLOCK PUBERTY. Lmao. It's always like this. And bless that woman, she's respectful at least. But please just listen or ask for clarification.
She's respectful and all, but you can very clearly tell she doesn't think it's RIGHT to be trans. So she tailors all of her views to make it as difficult as possible and limit the amount of "transness" in society as much as possible 🤷. So your logic is correct, but that doesn't matter, she simply wants to put in obstacles to transitioning, therefore she's against any puberty blockers and overall GAC for kids 😒
There are absolutely consequences associated with puberty blockers. Trans activists will lie through their teeth about this. Puberty blockers cause boys to permanently have a micropenis, and if they change their mind, they will have to go through life with the genitalia of a small child. If they do not change their mind and want to have bottom surgery, there will not be enough usable penile tissue to create a neo-vagina. It is not 100% reversible. Not to mention they can also cause permanent sterility in many cases, and loss of sexual function. Puberty blockers are child abuse, period.
18:09 Brian why did you start playing that background noise when the purple hair girl started talking? The music to me sounds like music you play when someone you want to make fun of is talking. Its obvious you disagree with her, but her points are just as valid as everyone elses, and I dont appreciate you trying to change her mind/make her feel bad for her thoughts. Just a bit of criticism for the next video. This topic is highly sensitive, and it would be nice to just hear how the people in the video think without a bias cutting in.
Brian really irritated me here lol. I feel like there is a bit of power imbalance when its your own video and so him adding his opinions or disagreeing or encouraging someone to change their mind- also LET THE WOMEN SPEAK ON WOMEN ISSUES imo. Like this was so we could hear their views Its annoying. And kind of unethical on research grounds. (Im a researcher)
Haha I appreciate the feedback- seriously! I’m trying my best to have difficult conversations with people who had different experiences. I want to do it in a fair way for sure, and also in a way that I make sure that no one feels like they’re being bullied. It’s tough but I’m trying! Again, I appreciate the feedback and I’ll do my best to make sure all voices are heard.
Also to respond to the “LET THE WOMEN SPEAK” part, did it really feel like I wasn’t letting them speak? I’m not asking that sarcastically I really am curious to hear how I made it seem like I wasn’t letting them speak. Thank you again!
@@BrianTerada I don't think it came across that way! I like hearing your thoughts, but at the same time there is a reason why in the jubilee videos, the director will only nudge the conversation by asking a question posed in the most neutral way possible. Really appreciate what you're doing though, your channel is great
I think you're making problems, the women were speaking on women's issues, Brian just gave his input and it was quite clear that that one cis woman was being transphobic and it made him uncomfortable. There was no abuse of power so I really don't understand what you mean. Him disagreeing with her (and rightfully so) wasn't imposing anything, she still stood strongly on her opinion afterwards.
Fear of rejection. Knowing that 99% of the time you'll get rejected. By not disclosing it, you prolong the fantasy that you want to experience. Unfortunately this is misleading to the other person who doesn't expect certain body parts not being reflective of the image projected by the trans person. At the end of the day you expect to have sex with the person you're dating. You fantasize and imagine it even before it eventually happens. Many trans people don't admit that sexuality is tightly connected to biology. I'm gay and if I unknowingly date a trans man and it comes to sex and I see a penis missing and bondage around chest, I'll be quite dissapointed and leave.
I get it, I personally always used to disclose, but I get the argument for some women not doing so. When you say that you are trans, a lot of the time, that's all they end up seeing you as, and it'll be harder for them to get to know you as a person because of that.
@@LeahKizzyPeirson It isn't only about you. If a man doesn't want to have sex with born biological males that look like females. That is his preference. Trying to trick or groom men's sexuality isn't moral.
@@KyleReeseCel2029 I never said anything about sex, I'm talking about initial dates. I would always disclose before sex if it came to it, though a straight man sleeping with a trans woman doesn't change his sexuality, some straight men don't care, some do, it's just about preference
Because is a personal thing and u share it when you want... Is so desonest to say but some people are not attracted to that and they should be informed to be able to choose... Girl if they were not attracted they would have flirted in the first place they are just transphobic and because of that after they know their attraction changes
The show is great. The only thing ruining the show is Brian himself. If you’re going to copy Jubilee copy their ability to not be involved in every stinking video. This video was great till you out your two cents in and discredited what the girls were saying. And also trying to use this platform to change people’s minds to push your own agenda is tacky and annoying. We came here to watch two opposing view points not have you trying to change people’s minds.
Absolutely agree with this. The way he jumps in as though he is some figure of authority. Remain neutral and allow the guests to speak their truth- without judgement.
All the participants did great. But moderator needs to just let them talk and not change minds. The woman with purple hair was asked if she would reveal something personal and she gave an example with not wanting kids. She never said it was AS personal as revealing you're trans. And maybe it is something very personal to her. I don't see how a stranger, especially a man, could say it isn't. The trans individuals were very respectful of opinions they didn't agree with. They didn't get emotional and they countered her points very effectively. Compared to the Jubilee individuals, it just goes to show when you remain level headed and don't get over-emotional, you get your point across better.
dude he literally spoke for probably a total of two damn minutes. this is HIS channel. hes doing nothing wrong? u hate him so much but loved thevideo and the women in it but HE created it. like how hard is it to just keep negative sht like that to yourself? i bet your weird ass cant name one GOOD (or bad) reason as to why u hate him lmao how lame. saying u hate someone and have heard them speak for 2 minutes and saying they need to shut up just shows your character. the fact that u watched this video then decided to comment that blows me. just super corny.. do better.
@@MrDiggle. babe, I'm a gay man ... I understand the point about moderators being there to move the convo along ((((as a general thing)))) but in this type of interview, it's about cis/trans women so a gay guy chiming isn't what I really care about in this vid. If it was about "do gay men and straight men think the same?" and then a lesbian was moderating and gave her thoughts, my stance would be the exact same.
I get what you're saying but that's an excuse. Trans people shouldn't deceive people they're dating because they're personally afraid. If you can't be truthful to someone you're supposedly dating then you shouldn't be dating. Living within a relationship built off secrecy and deceit. That said, society can ALWAYS and should do better but that doesn't mean there won't be nuts out on the streets. Date smart.
Imagine screaming nO oNe oWeS yOu Ma LiE StOrY to someone you had to coerce into meeting up with you? Like nobody wanted it tf 😂 they have a sanity issues, not a safety one.
Ah yes, and why would they eat bread when they could just eat cake like the rest of us? If people didn't often respond with violence, abandonment, intense judgment, etc... If it weren't such a big deal for some people, it wouldn't be a difficult topic. I'm usre there would be much less hesitation to come out so soon.
@@xatusound Such a stupid argument, makes literally no sense. Why buy bread if you don't want or need bread? Or do YOU wanna date someone that you don't feel safe with? Or someone that gives you bad vibes or is full of red flags? That is just stupid. Before the date, if the person feels like a person who is gonna react badly, why go on a date with the person? On the other hand, if you have a great feeling that you can share this thing with the person, then you should go on a date, no matter if you are gonna tell or not.
I'm a biological woman. I wear sweats and I don't even fix my hair lol. I don't wear pink or wear dresses. I can't even remember the last time I wore heels. I usually don't wear makeup. I break every "social construct" rule and yet I'm still a woman and treated as such because that's what I am. What part of my womanhood is a social construct to you and what does that even mean?
they are talking about the fact that people define being a sex to being a biological sex, while actually even tho you can be a man, you can have a biological gemale sex. In this sense, what is a social construct is the idea that inner sex has to match the biological body, witch is false.
The "treated as such" is the social construct part. You just have gender expression which is not stereotypically female, yet inhabit female gender role. The fact is, a few centuries ago the color pink was a masculine color you put baby boys in so people know they are boys but light blue was a feminine color you dressed baby girls in. That's the kind of aspects of gender role that are socially constructed. Additionally, the number of genders being two vs third genders like katoy in Thailand, hidjra in India, two spirit in native American tribes or more recently "non-binary" are all gender roles constructed by society. In biology, brain-sex/gender is a spectrum and intersex conditions like "hermaphrodites", xxy chromosomes, x0, ect... Complicate things beyond the normal male/female typical divide. Most cultures just have two genders cuz that works 99.2% of the time, but not 100%
Try to wear beard and you will get it. Social construct effects every part of your appearance and behavior, even those that you do not control, like the shape of your face and body.
Many trans women don't follow all the female social constructs. But they're still women. You do follow some constructs. If you're treated as a women, that is also a social construct. Trans women are not here to teach you. Nor do we have to prove anything to you. Our existence is not debatable. Trans women and cis women both are women. Different types of women. That's it. End of discussion.
A pick me and people pleaser, conservative trans folk are an enigma. Why side with those who want to criminalize your existence, for you not to exist anywhere except on specific adult sites? Obviously there is big money to be made and pats on the head for sleeping with the enemy, while throwing all others who are trans under the bus hoping society see you as; "one of the good ones".
9:14 wtf is that question? Wasn't sexuality and gender separate things? Of course you should mention you're trans to someone, it's common decency. Now, as someone that can fall in love with either gender, it's not something utterly important to discuss, because our sex life isn't gonna change, I wanna be with that person and that person only. The possibility of liking both genders has nothing to do with loyalty. And it amazes me that I'm even explaining such dumb question, lol
EXACTLY! The thing that really irritates me in particular is the fact that she quite literally said before that “sexuality & gender are different things”. It might just be me, but the way she asked that question sounded like she was annoyed/offended. Like I’m sorry but if someone is transgender, that is a BIG aspect of their life, much more so than being, gay/bi/les, etc. Changing gender and liking the same/both or opposite gender are extremely different subjects. Being trans is going to be something that could potentially drastically change your relationship if your partner doesn’t know, like sure; if you’re someone who is bi (such as myself) it could change a few things but if you’re trans, if your partner wants to have children from YOU AND THEM ONLY, they won’t be able to, regardless if the person has had bottom surgery or not. Being trans is a MUCH more important thing to know on a first date rather than which gender your date likes.
If your post op and pass and it's just meaningless sex/ a hook up I don't see why you should mention your trans but if it's for a relationship yea it's important to mention
As a trans woman i felt the most representation from Tierra, i guess just goes to show that even among trans people theres a wide variety of perspective
I have to HIGHLY DISAGREE with some of the points made in this video. Firstly, not wanting children as a female definitely is something that society discriminates and looks down upon. There is a constant pressure and expectation of women to have children. Hence the stereotype of the aging lonely cat lady. It's extremely dismissive to say women who don't want to have kids don't face discrimination. They are definitely looked down upon as being "lesser" to women who have children. Secondly, a woman may not want to have children because of a medical condition she has, or maybe she cannot get pregnant because of a medical condition. So it is not always a choice. Thirdly, unless the person you're dating is homophobic, being bisexual has literally no effect on physical intimacy between 2 people whatsoever. That would be irrelevant as it does not change anything about the dynamic with intimacy. Fourthly, I am bisexual and yes, I have always been upfront about it to people I've dated. And yes, I would definitely discuss kids early on in dating to make sure we were on the same page. Be honest about who you are. Don't waste your time on people who don't fully accept you. Move on and find someone else. Honesty is the foundation to a healthy loving relationship.
He wasn't trying to say it isn't bad he was saying you can't compare it lol, You're not going to get beat up for saying i don't want kids learn to listen
@@HottieCouture if you know a person wants kids and you withhold that you can't have them while allowing them to emotionally invest in you, the person will be angry when they find out. In both situations violence being used just depends on the person. It's mostly been women being beat by men for all kinds of reasons.
@@HottieCouture His words in the video: " It's not as personal of a journey as being transgender. It's a choice. If you don't want to have kids, it's your own decision. If someone is judging you for that, at least you had control over that and that's like what you actually want. If you're transgender, you're born that way and you face a lot of discrimination. You may have had to pay a lot of money, been disowned by your family or your friends or your community. You could be put in danger for it as well. I don't think that is as personal, especially to reveal on the first date." Oh I listened. Did you??
Bisexuality certainly does have an effect on physical intimacy. There are signiificant differences in dynamics. I am a lesbian. I have been sexually involved with lesbians and bisexuals. I have had relationships with both. The sex is different with bisexuals. They can't connect with women on a deeper level like lesbians can. The intimacy with lesbians is much deeper than the intimacy with bisexual women. The sex is empty sex with bisexuals... the kissing caressing and affection, and the intimacy during sex is empty. I have never had an amazing deep sexual connection with bisexual women, and many lesbians agree with me. This is the case whether the relationship is more casual or more meaningful. The emotional connection too is a deeper connection with lesbians. This is why lesbians refuse to get involved with bisexual women. You might not realise it. Lesbians know the difference though. Bisexuals might be capable of having that deep connection with men, but not with women.
Im gay and i dont want transman cause i like not only a man i like a penis sorry but not telling that is misleading,i would respect your as a trans but its different then a cisman. There is more to sexuality then Just a gender.
I am a gay teen, I like penis, however I would still date a trans man who passes. I think it's okay and normal not to be okay with that though. I'm not attracted to female body parts but for me a relationship is not just about that. Also as a dysphoric person, if I were to transition, I would only be able to have kids with a biological woman, and that could only be with a trans man. There are multiple layers to it and we shouldn't call gay men who would date trans men bi because relationships are more than sex.
@@EmberFlames_Jagyou're trying to redefine what "gay" means but nobody asked you to or even said they were okay with it. Please just let the gays and lesbians have their language and their preferences.
I don't want to have children either. Noone belief me though 🤣🥲 part of my dates thought that there is for sure "something wrong with me" and others didn't take it serious. Now Im in a relationship that works because my husband don't want to have children either
Trans women DEFINITELY should be telling people they are on a date with if they are trans or not. Even the examples used in the video weren't to the same degree. If violence is the reason that Trans people decide not to tell, we should address that socially/legally etc. But "being scared of violence" doesn't mean you get to take someone's choice away. I'm very liberal but I will never be for trans people getting to mislead people who are interested in them.
hello? you dont owe anyone your life story if you are going out to get to know them. sex is different like they two women disagreeing spoke on. just say your not an ally babe!
It's not about misleading. People can get so violent, and sure you need to be careful with whom you go out, but we shouldn't be saying trans people are "deceiving" others for not saying right off the bat that they're trans. There are so many assumptions about if a person were to say if that they're trans. (mostly being assumed what genitals they have which is so personal to disclose on a first date). It's less of a deception and more about what people feel comfortable doing. Personally, I'd skip the possible invaisve/rude/awkward questioning phase when I tell them I'm trans BEFORE I even meet them cause in person being asked invasive questions about my genitals or about my transition isn't how I wanna spend a first date.
@russellsmith2341 I agree that no one owes anyone their life story on a first date. But let’s be real - most straight men do not want to date a transgender woman, and that is their right. So why should someone play with another person’s emotions under false pretenses knowing that being trans IS a deal breaker for a lot of men. There are so many dating sites where transwomen can find men that will worship them like the goddesses they are. So I think it’s completely selfish and extremely abusive to lead someone on like that. And the whole attitude of we can’t be allies bc we don’t support lying is such a turn off. I have been a long time supporter of LGBT rights waaaaaay back when it was the “cool” thing to do. But I don’t support anyone playing with someone’s emotions for their own benefit. If you aren’t comfortable revealing you are trans to a straight man you want to date - then don’t date them. Easy peasy. Your feelings are not more important than anyone else’s. Find a dating site where straight men are begging to date you and get it on, girl!
These 4 women were very eloquent and open. I especially enjoyed Natalia’s perspective and confidence. She is excellent in expressing her views. Being trans is nothing to be ashamed of and therefore should not be hidden. Hiding it implies it’s something to be ashamed of.
I'm not ashamed to say I'm transsexual. I will openly tell you But I transitioned because I knew since I was a very young age. My transition was a small inconvenience in my life. I live as the women I have always known I was, blend in with women. The vast majority of my friends are woman To me if you know your a woman and transitioned to be that woman why would you want to make your identity trans. Surely if you need to do that you have transitioned for the wrong reasons.
@@staceypark7408 Why did you need to transition if you already felt you were a woman. What were you transitioning from and to? If you’re referring to surgeries, they certainly don’t sound like a little inconvenience. They seem very painful and highly complex, with lifelong physical implications. It’s good and important that you are clear with potential partners, as you do appear to be.
Obviously I have my own biases but I feel that most of the view of these women are unrepresentative of most people, cis or trans. They feel like outliers just to stoke debate.
16:25 no it wouldn't 17:39 yes it does- the literal definition of puberty is "the period during which adolescents reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction." ..... so if you block that natural growth then they will be unable to have children.
What's that famous trans kid Jaz something. Went on puberty blockers and as a consequence didn't grow enough of a penis to make into a vagina when the time came. As a result had a botched operation and will never have an orgasm wow
@@Icex7 the average time of a natural puberty lasts 4-6 years. There are warnings for puberty blockers which generally refers to usage beyond a couple of years, often considered around 2 to 3 years. Prolonged use can impact growth, bone density, and other developmental aspects. These effects are irreversible.
I think it's ok if Brian wants to maybe add some perspective to the discussion or ask more questions to help further the discussion. I do think if hes presenting information as a fact he should be careful in making sure it actually is fact first. For instance, people being born trans, is definitely still up for debate and isn't a fact like how he stated at 13:10, so it was clear there was some bias there.
If we say trans women are women, then I, as a biological woman, can say I'm trans and no one can say anything about it. So no. Trans women = trans women. You transitioned for a reason. You're a different kind of woman = trans. And it's okay. What's the moderator high on, btw? He's tripping hard trying to make people change their opinions like that. And Tierra has a script in her head. Not actual opinions based on reality.
Trans women are under the umbrella of "women". Do you not consider black women, disabled women, gay women to still be women? So 'a trans woman' is accurate, but so is just 'a woman'.
@@romanzaporozhets4237 always bringing up the nazis, you folk. get a fresh argument. you cannot change your sex so i dont even call these ones 'trans'. but i do believe they identify as such so i call them trans identified people
I think its generally safer to use the first date or two to figure out what kind of person you're on the date with, cause some guys get violent if you tell them, so you can just ghost a guy who seems like they won't react well.
Having gender dysphoria is not a choice. But choosing to deal with that dysphoria by presenting an opposite s3x presentation is a choice. The ways we choose to meet people is also definitely a choice. Some are safer than others. That's as true for women as it is for transgender identifying men.
the thing I don't like about this whole choice discussion is that people like to make it only "it's not a choice so it's okay" or "it is a choice so who cares" what if it is a choice? there are plenty of choices in life that are hard and relate to your mental and physical health, as well as safety, money, and other important things. It being a choice or not shouldn't be relevant
1) It is necessary to differentiate: sex, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation. 2) In places like a house or a plane, all people use the same restroom and there is no problem. 3) A trans woman does not have to carry a sign that says I am trans, no one does. 4) Much gender dysphoria would be avoided if hormone blockers were used in adolescence.
@@quinnllllll blockers were intended for precocious puberty for a MAX of 6 months, not for years and years. Also why don’t yall ever mention dysphoria for 9 out of 10 kids alleviates itself during that process you are wishing to STOP irreversibly?
Oh, the Missouri emergency rule was to halt hormonal-based gender affirming care for minors. It affected both minors and adults only in that it affected both minors and "adult parents of minors seeking gender-affirming care." The emergency order was summarily withdrawn; however, minors are now banned from beginning puberty-blockers in Missouri, unless they had begun treatment before the policy went into effect after review by courts. Misrepresenting a legal process does no one any favors, regardless of where they side.
The moderator should have a neutral stance and let the women speak. To call out Grace could possibly ensure that she starts giving fabricated answers to avoid being called out again.
@@paradisegarden1316 LMAO! The we see you 😂 spot on. I don’t use anything but RUclips so I may be behind the times but that is one of the many exhausted phrases I see all the time. IMO this whole series of videos is “look at what a great guy I am y’all I support the things. But lemme talk about being gay over everyone” 🤦🏿♀️
@@Kurozyl I’m not seeing that? Just comments about it not being the same in general. The comments about Grace were her opinion being disregarded after being asked it by Brian anyway, not a slight towards her.
@@PatricenotPatrick I may have paraphrased my point and not been clear. It wasn't about it being a slight (although I do feel the moderator was forcing her to defend her opinions and giving her the opportunity to change her opinion at 3:00 which I haven't seen happen in any of these before and does imply that her opinion is less valid) , but my "point" was everything is being aimed at her when she didn't make the comparison. 11:02 - Pink compares "declaring you are trans" to "saying you don't want to have children" 12:25 , 13:05 and 13:35 - Moderator aims comments directly at Grace (the last 2 being directly related to a comparison she wasn't even the one that made) 14:45 - Comment aimed directly at Grace about them not being the same
Holy fuck, I can't even finish watching this. This is just angering me so fucking much. Gosh, I'm so fine being a man. Just watch the trans man vs cis man version. They're so more chill and respectful. But here, even the black haired trans woman is angering me. Gosh. The little girl is just lovely
I’m a trans intersex woman and my blood would come back with estrogen levels in the female range. When you’re on hrt it’ll show your blood as the gender you’re taking hrt for.
Not every man wants to date a trans woman dor their own reasons it doesnt always make them a bigot its just not what theyre are attracted to so i think its only safe to tell them right away
no it's actually not 'only safe to tell them right away'. There are many circumstances where a trans woman can't sus out if someone is going to have a safe reaction, so if we're talking safety and a trans women passes, it's likely for her to be safer not stating that she is trans. Safety is very situation specific
It's actually not safe. Do you know how many trans women get hatecrimed after disclosing the fact that they're trans to people? It's dangerous to be quite frank
@@CyberChunk77? Tf kind of stupidity is that. There’s plenty of cis men that are ok w dating transwomen. Just cus there’s transphobes in the bunch doesn’t mean all trans people should now stay away from all cis people. (Also there’s plenty if T for T couples anyway, it’s not like trans people are specifically looking to date cis people only.)
@@CyberChunk77 So I'm gonna reply to this in two versions. This is version 1: That would be hard considering the trans population makes up such a small percent of the population.
You know nazis also disagreed that gews, blacks, gays and trans people are people. It doesnt mean anything if you disagree if it is about human lives and suffering that str8 community unleashes on minorities
@@Tammy.ryan1982 This word " bigot " is the most self serving, gratuitous, ridiculous use of the word I have ever come across. I am a str8 very open minded and accepting woman. I try my best to be respectful of people's life choices.. I was shocked to read not long ago that a few years ago there were about 200 lesbian bars across the U.S. Now they have dwindled down to about 15. The reason for this is because biological men who now claim to be " trans women" have infiltrated this space of lesbian women and demand to be inclusive. But they call themselves " transbian's" and say they prefer women. They have male genitalia yet they bully and shame the real lesbian women for not including them in their dating pools!!!! Can you imagine??? These women are given NO consideration as to their personal preference. They are called " bigots" and "transphobes" if they don't accept it and agree to happily learn to play the flute!!!! 😁 I mean isn't the definition of a lesbian that you prefer women? It's the most insane thing I have come across yet. It's almost comical but I genuinely feel so bad for these sisters because I don't even think most str8 people are aware of it and they have no support and are deemed invisible. It gets me angry. You know that a lot of these people are not really even trans! They are just pervy men who found a loophole and are looking for creepy ways to get close to women! So these spaces of lesbian bars have just dwindled because the women feel like they have been over run. Another example of mowing over a woman's rights !!
Disclosing gender & sexuality on the first date is something different. The Person you're on a date with knows that you are attracted to them and have been Attracted to other people before. I don't see why the other person would even care about which gender those people where. While being Trans is a big part of someones identity and there are people who'd view their attraction to you differently under that knowledge. It's therefore also a lot more of a deal when you come out to the other person about being trans than being f.e. bisexual. When it's about getting to know a friend, then that's a different topic, because you have no clue which people the other person is attracted to and neither aspect of sexuality and gender should frankly play any role in weather you'll become friends
As a note on the abortion comment around 6 minutes in A cis woman who doesn't have the capacity for pregnancy generally would be in the same boat Regardless of trans or cis or whatever, yeah, speak on issues that affect you, give room for people who are affected by issues that you are not affected by. Obviously.
Please stop with the "cis" nonsense. It's "man" and "woman". We differentiate gender dysphorics by using "trans" in front of the way they're presenting.
@@jessicagregory4683 You don't NEED "Cis"; people have understood the meaning of woman FOREVER. The use of "Cis" is the radical gender dysphoria activists trying to make language dictates.
The black woman and the older trans woman had the Best answers asides black womans views on sexuality dating a trans woman. Relating that men are political she called trans women men and didn't realize it. Tbh I think sexuality depends on the person so while she doesn't have to be attracted another lesbian might treat a trans woman as a woman and date. This was my experience even for every girl before I even ever came out. They were all lesbians that dated me because they liked me and tbh I was very feminine. They saw me as one of the girls. Tbh sexuality is diverse and not in a box. The funniest thing is the fakest people stuck together. The punk girl was less of a punk then she looked as she was completely against the punk movement and even noted being a bible thumper. The pretty trans women who loved the trans identity and her skin had the least trans-like views of them all. She was pretty fake and felt like she had a lot of inner transphobia tbh. Unlike 80% of the trans community she didn't seem to have gender dysphoria and really didn't feel like she would relate to others in the trans community. She felt fake and just liked the identity of being trans. I don't know being trans myself the most relatable was the black woman and older trans woman. I also don't love being trans and didn't have a choice. It was come out or likely die. It takes your life away until you do. It wasn't a choice. Life was livable after even if people often sucked to deal with. Though didn't have a choice. Being a cis man would never make me happy so trans is better then that. If anything being a cis woman would feel most right. Because the pretty trans women can't relate to dysphoria she can't relate to trans kids and the 80% of trans people in the community like more. She's pretty fake.
Trans women are trans women. No one's denying that, but trans women are women, just like cis women are women. There may be biological differences or whatever, but that doesn't matter as biology and gender are separate as proven by psychologists and biologists alike
No need to disrespect a trans-identifying man but "trans women" are men identifying as women, they are not women and should not be classified as such if we care at all about the safety and legal rights of women.
I feel like Tierra was most in line with views of a majority of trans people that I'm familiar with I would assume she's a lot more in touch with the queer community than the rest Maybe that's a bias of me being in more progressive queer spaces though. I tend to avoid the other end, too much Immediate self hate and all that.
In my opinion, yes. Trans women are real women same as trans men are real men. This is because gender is a social construct. They are roles that are for you to fit into and interpret in your own way. Do I believe you can change your biological sex?? No. I dont. But gender and sex are two very different things. I also like how they brought intersex people into the conversation because that’s also very important to consider in these conversations.
People are missing the point about trans women needing to reveal that they're trans on the first date, it is because they know 99% of cis straight people aren't into dating trans people. So trans people don't reveal it on purpose to try to deceive cis people until they have fallen in love and they can then coerce them into dating. They are lying about something that they know is a huge deal breaker for a majoirty of people.
the main issue is that when you go on a first date as a trans person, you dont know what opinions the other person has of trans people in general meaning that you could get discriminated against or assaulted due to you opening up about it right away (Btw I am a trans woman)
@@AndyFTW100 So then mention it before you meet up with the person. If you meet on tinder for example mention that you are trans in your bio or something
@@kittyfairy662no. Trans people are fetishized. So to disclose this info in our bio means men hurling from every direction wanting to experience girl dick. We wanna be treated just like everybody else not when you feel like "Experiencing something new" like we're some kind of drug and It's not your place to tell people what they should say or disclose anyway. if trans women are being killed it's not because they're not protecting themselves it's because people are generally transphobic and they shouldn't. It's down right victim blaming if you say otherwise like saying "well she was raped bc she wasnt dressing modestly"
The majority of cis gays and lesbians don't want to date trans people either. There's trans "men" in some of my gay men's groups and they get mad that gay men don't want to eat their cat or be with them. They're delusional and it's borderline conversion therapy they're attempting when trying to gaslight us into dating them.
Transgenderism is in the mind, that's why it's a dysphoria. However, the brain itself is sexed. The XY or XX chromosomes are in the brain as well and they do influence the brain development of males and females. The fact that there are people with DSDs (Disorders of Sexual Development) aka "intersex" doesn't make this any less true. It still depends on whether or not the person has a Y or not. If the person does, no matter how many Xs, the person's a male. If the person is missing a sex chromosome as in Turner syndrome, that person is a woman since there are no known cases of a solo Y person. A woman with Turner syndrome is infertile due to ovarian misfunction, but that doesn't mean she's not a woman.
No the brain is not sexed, no such thing as; "male brain and female brain" male bodies naturally run on Testosterone and female bodies run on Estrogen, that said HRT causes a male body to run on Estrogen and vice versa for trans men, so they are no longer 100% biologically the same as they were before. For the majority who are; not trans.. gender identity = sex, however for the minority who are; trans gender identity does not match the identified sex at birth.
@@hummingbirdofgumption3263 Wrong, some do have androgen insensitivity syndrome so grow up as a woman and have a vagina. are socialized as a woman there are few cases of this TV shows have had episode devoted to the subject, many don't know they have a Y chromosome until puberty starts.
How can you not tell someone you are trans before the first date?? Let's be blunt about this. Heterosexual biological men generally do not want to have anal intercourse (or at least be restricted to it) and they do NOT want to perform fellatio on male gentalia. This whole conversation about gentalia preference is absurd. It is not just about having children or raising a family. It is about the type of physical sex/sexual intercourse that heterosexual men and heterosexual women want to have. Heterosexual biological men generally want vaginal intercourse and do not want anal sex. A Forbes study showed between 77% to 88% of men want and prefer vaginal intercourse. 10% to 30% found anal intercourse somewhat appealing, but not on a regular basis. Also heterosexual biological men DO NOT want to perform oral sex on a penis as they are not homosexual. This should be the end of the ridiculous conversation on this. Also a neo-vagina does not look like a biological woman's vagina or function like one, which is why most transwomen do not get one and retain their male gentalia. Even if a transwoman were to get one, heterosexual biological men still do not want to date or have a relationship with them as they are not biological women, do not look like biological women, and also cannot produce children.
I looked it up and here are the risks of hormone therapy before puberty. Fertility: both estrogen & testosterone hormones can permanently limit fertility especially if taken before puberty. Strokes, blood clots, cardiovascular disease is a possibility Increase risks of diabetes, and has long term effects on the development of the adolescents brain.
Of course it does, like any medication, but before puberty we don't put people on hormones therapy rather on hormone blockers that have less risks and effects
they talked a lot about puberty blockers though, which has no risks. all it does it postpone puberty until that person either a) decides to come off of them and go through puberty normally or b) start taking their preferred hormone treatment
@@RachelRavengarden im sorry, your the nicest of the commenter's so far but it is absolutely not true that these cause no harm to a growing changing body. When I was a teen I had an ED I didn't understand the harm it does till now. Im almost 24. I have bad knees, bad bone density ect. No one told me it was going to be an issue. I had to learn and be told as an adult. Changing anything about your physical body at so young WILL cause harm. Crap even birth control has its problems!
The choice of the candidates is a little bit poor. One of the normal women is queer. It would be more interesting if this experiment was done with more normal women. The ratio here is 2 transgender, 1 normal and 1 queer. So it’s not really a good experiment.
It's so refreshing and nice to see this woman at the end saying 'I have the luxury of going to a store and picking out an outfit that I know is for me and wear it' - like, it feels good to see a woman appreciate that, because mens clothing options do suck, and I have wished my whole life I could just buy and wear womens outfits all the time
I am a trans woman, and obviously being a woman is not only about clothes, but clothes are more important in the female identity than the male identity, when I was a man and I was invited to fancy parties, I remember hating that I only had one option: dark colored suit and tie, while girls could wear a wide variety of dresses of all shapes, sizes and colors, plus many accessories and not to mention the makeup, is an art and talent by itself. Because of that and many other things I always wanted to be in the group of girls and that's why I am happy now.... And I must emphasize that I feel like a woman even when I'm naked in my room, the clothes are still secondary.
11:55 “there’s times I’m just walking down the street and would rather people not know that about me” All 0 times? How would people know, Brian? And please don’t hit us with them highlights that the Backstreet Boys, **NSYNC, Lenny Kravitz and all the rest were rocking when you were in diapers which is non issue aesthetic anyway 🤦🏿♂️ It seems to me that equality (which was a LEGAL goal we accomplished, not a social acceptance one) came quicker than anyone could have anticipated. I mean only 20 years ago we were a crime in 14 states (Lawrence V Texas 2003) and back then marriage was a DREAM at best. So yes you are “just” a gay man. That’s what we fought for. Stop trying to make this woe is me life you didn’t live (and definitely don’t in 2023 America) a personality. Nobody rioted at Stonewall for that. And at least let the girls speak if you’re going to invite them to do so.
@@SSJ2DNNo shh, I even began my comment with a direct quote and addressed that very point lmao 😂 How do random people walking down a street (something he isn’t doing in Cali and completely hypothetical) know he’s gay? They don’t. Keep walking. That can only come from severe insecurity or narcissism. Pretending anyone is bothering you or somehow knows or cares you’re gay for him is clearly the latter.
When they were saying that disclosing being trans is a bigger thing than disclosing if you want children, well that is the exact reason it needs to be disclosed. It's not just a big deal for them but for the other person aswel because dating a transperson is not the exact same as dating a cis person. Brian put down the purple hair lady for making the comparison but it was the trans lady who first made the comparison by asking would you disclose if you wanted to have children. My opinion is that a trans person should disclose before a date or if they feel like they would just like to get to know a person a bit without discrimination maybe go on a first date and if it goes well and you want to see them again let them know over the phone or txt before the second date. I think that's fair. it's only fair and right to let a man know before anything sexual happens. Not everyone has the same acceptance or mentality around these things, whether it be their beliefs, values or religion or biases and everyone has a right to choose for themselves. Trans people are fortunate they get to transition to medically and surgically to look like a biological female, but the fact is they are still biologically male and some people might not be into that. This is the same for a transman who is attracted to the same biological sex, they should let a woman know they are a biological female. I feel the same about all sexual encounters if someone has something to disclose that could potentially harm someone else, physically or mentally and emotionally. I remember here in the UK a woman actually got charged with sexual assault for deceiving another woman that they were a man. Granted if you have changed your sex by law that probably won't apply but the mental and emotional impact on a person could be the same. I'm all for trans rights so long as they don't infringe on anyone else's rights.
The intersex argument is ridiculous. ALL DSD variations are deemed male or female based on gamete production. There's not one of the 14 variations that deviate from this spectrum.
This literally showed how cisgendered women can be the problem when it comes to mass gaslighting and general lies coming from this movement. Trans women are trans women. It’s 2023 you can let your date know you are trans before even linking up. Just like you would disclose you’re a single parent, are disabled, don’t live in the area, etc.All things that would greatly determine someone’s interest in you and that’s Ok. The caping and pandering that biological women are willing to perform is SCARY. This biological man said he peeks under the tent of women (creepy) but still wants to be considered a real woman and no one batted an eye. If trans is such an unchangeable identity why do you need money and medicalization in order to validate your identity. Last I checked every other identity we have that is immutable is FREE. My womanhood is free. My sexuality is free. My ethnicity is free. You can’t buy real.
As a sexually disabled person I think it is a WILD statement to demand I be upfront about it on a first date. Just, whoa! I don't know if I even want to kiss this man, but I have to tell him my vagina is our of commission??? Rediculous! If we hit it off after we get to know each other better and sex is organically brought up as a discussion, that's when it's appropriate to discuss these things. Disabilities are deeply personal, especially sex related ones. When the time is right it will be discussed and that time for sexual conversation is never the first date, unless the person is some kind of pervert.
@@azuropixie5703by why would you want to waste their time and yours. You would know exactly how he feels about it and could make a decision. But imagine you invested 2 months of talking and going on dates for them to say it’s a deal breaker. You could’ve been 2 months in another relationship. Time is valuable why waste it on someone or something that’s not for you.
So in your opinion women should only be allowed to speak when they agree with your views, or only allowed their gender when they perform womanhood in a patriarchal standard way. But any with a different opinion should be silent. All this not about truth or reality but just disgust of the false idea that trans women are "men who reject their god given maleness and upset the natural patriarchal order of believing all humans must be a binary sex or be punished.
the difference of both the comment section and the answers in the video, between the trans women cis women and the trans men cis men videos is EXTREME, to say the least. And I'm not really surprised
Even with men in general cis or trans there are always problems,the other day I was watching a video on how people (men) casual joke about other men getting sexually assaulted,if assaulted by a man they're 'gay' if they are assaulted by a woman their expected to enjoy it,also men only being allowed to cry in certain situations or they are mocked it was interesting
Please name a transgender person and/or provide the stats for transgender people who were killed or assaulted when they told a person they were trans before a date or on a dating app. I dont believe this happens. The transgender people who do get assaulted or killed either are in engaged in sexual intimacy and the person finds out they are trans; or the transgender person is engaging in sex work like prostitution. The other instances I know of are through partner domestic violence. However, I know of no one who was killed when they told a potential date on a dating app or before the first date happened that they were transgender. They just get rejected and the first date doesn't happen. I believe what they fear the most is rejection and not violence.
They can’t. Nor can the “host” of this circus. He gaslit the trans women who aren’t afraid with some “but you’re at risk!!” But couldn’t take 3 min to actually look into it. He doesn’t actually care about this topic if we can even call it that. Sucks because the trans people I know are level headed like Natalia so he’s just making them look ridiculous for no reason.
At least 2 of my transfeminine friends have been horribly assaulted for simply being who they are after disclosing on their first dates. One was even SA by one guy and told: "you wanna be a woman? I'll make a woman out of you, you f****y f*****g t****y". This was here in the UK. Just because you haven't heard of such things happening, that doesn't mean that it doesn't.
@@tiaslays255but not anywhere near to the extent they claim for them to all use that as an excuse to not disclose. Not disclosing is far more dangerous. But they twist and bend the truth and exaggerate things just like the “trans genocide” that literally doesn’t exist. The 30 or so trans people unalived in a given year were mostly unrelated to them even being trans and some were unalived by other trans people… where’s the “genocide”?
Sadly this happens a lot. Most commonly guys will kill trans women after their friends find out she’s trans. He will say he had no idea and end her life to reclaim his masculinity and social standing, but privately he may even be someone who exclusively pursues trans women.
I completely agree with the blonde woman when it comes to dating. Especially if it's a first date you shouldn't have to reveal such personal things especially if you have fully transitioned. I'm really not a fan of this question because there's so much gray area that you can't have a definitive yes or no. I think because hookup culture is so popular people think that the first date automatically means sexual attraction or sex in general. You might not be sexually attracted to someone on the first date and then gain the attraction later It should not be the standard to hook up on the first date. I think that people have the notion that you are somehow leading on your partner by not telling them you're trans and that really twisted. There is an expectation to share about your whole life on the first date (ex. The trauma you faced or all of your world views) so why should it come down to someone's transness
Why are we erasing women who don't choose to not have kids? The moderator doesn't even know about this big up yo purple hair and blue jean for being grounded in reality.
@@romanzaporozhets4237 _"Maybe you just live in a bubble"_ Irrelevant. Men don't think like women. This is objectively testable. Even autogynophiles and male "gender dysphorics" still think differently to women.
Natalia and Grace were absolute gems for their honesty but also their radiant personalities. “The ultimate beat down” lol! Natalia is too funny but she made an excellent point. But then Brian disregarded their viewpoint to insist that they need to adopt his victim mentality. Why bring up being disowned and “spending a lot of money” on their transition because they didn’t parrot your talking points? Is that even their story or your assumptions. Yikes smh.
@@Lucario9dAgreed. I mean not even 3 min in, the biological female conflated intersex as a way to discredit Grace and Natalia and then he followed all snide asking if Grace changed her opinion.. I do love that Natalia stuck up for her. That’s the only “transphobia” I saw.
You prefer non-trans? Like as if trans is the default and your identifier is in relation to trans people? Do you prefer "non left handed" and "not brown eyed" too? I mean you identify you, but kind of strange hill to plant your flag if you think latin root word for not-trans is like biased towards someone.
So trans women don't exist? Biological gender is pretty different from gender identify. If you say that there aren't such things as "cis" and "trans" you're just saying that trans people don't exist, just as gender dysphoria. So how would a biological male with gender dysphoria should survive? What you know and what researched about this?
It’s not the same as saying if you’re Bi or not. If you’re a bi male on a date with a straight female, if you guys get along and live happily ever after, it will only ever matter if you cheat, live a lgbtq+ dominated lifestyle, or are having sex with multiple people as a couple. That’s something that could be left for saying after you’re a real couple. Same for women saying they hooked up with women before or gay men on a date and one is bi and willing to date women. Good info for later. Doesn’t change the future of who that whole person is. Not saying you don’t want kids or CANT is important just like saying you’re trans. With everything you gotta feel it out. But if you’re born male or female I feel should be the common knowledge amongst the two people on a date
I have my BS in Chemistry and, as a "cis" woman, the cis/trans thing never bothered me because there are molecules described this way. In cis-molecules, the functional group is on the same side of a double bond while in trans-molecules, they are on opposite sides of the double bond. It was never meant to be offensive, it simply described a physical difference.
I know it's been a month but for example, a straight conservative man dating a leftist bisexual woman. He might not want to allow trans people to transition, or for same-sex couples to marry--yet he'll be okay with having a bisexual girlfriend, that is, until he finds out she's okay with same-sex marriage & trans people.
They use that term because they are trying to make people believe that CIS and Trans women = women. Of course that's nonsense. They also want to make you believe that gender is a social construct instead of a biological fact. A female born human is a woman. That's the reason why most heterosexual guys won't date a transwoman. It's easy as it is.
There is no danger of being called a cis woman, but there is a life threatening situation in the world for trans women that reqlly exist. As well we talk about gender and sex which are different things, so considering CIS an offensive term doesn't make any sense as trans women are literally the population that is discriminated and killed the most
18:23 again miss grace, gender is not a choice :/ she doesn’t have to change her mind but it would’ve been nice to atleast see her understand the perspectives around her
@@KindlyKalenYou've listed a bunch of disorders as though it proves anything other than accidents happen all the time in nature. Google Klinefelter's syndrome for a clear example of the medical problems caused by disorders of sexual development.
Yes, make everything clear on that first date. If you don’t wanna have children, or everything else. No sense in wasting time. The person will feel like you duped them if you are not honest.
Misogynist to assume all women think the same. Transphobic to assume all trans people think the same. The trans women in this video have more respect for the actual women than the content creator who is pretending this is a credible discourse. Smh.
They should always disclose being trans tbh before the date. I think maybe in the first text message after exchanging numbers before meeting in a first date.
My stance is they don't need to on the 1st date bc you are someone they're just meeting and there are safety issues with revealing you're trans to people. Like there are some trans people who have been murdered for saying they were trans. So if they don't feel comfortable I definitely don't think they should for their safety. But if you start to connect more at like the 2nd or erd date and things are progressing then they should for the comfortability of the other person.
@@MarsArchelius i disagree for both parties. I think that the trans person should never go on a date or even meeting someone again after their initial encounter without disclosing they are trans. I think that the random normal person they met deserves to be told the truth asap. It can save both parties time and emotional involvement. Doesn’t the trans person want someone who will like them whether they are trans or not?
@@akaJAMILA well yes but it won't matter if the person likes them or not if they murder them before they get to know them. There was a case of a trans woman who told the guy she was gonna go on a date with that she was trans and he acted accepting and stuff and told her he didn't care so when she showed up he murdered her. I feel like 2nd date is the best time bc you'll pretty much know if you feel comfortable with them or not by that time. And maybe some feelings will get hurt but that is better than getting murdered.
@@MarsArchelius so i have done so much homework on this stuff and i havent found a story where someone was murdered with text message proof that the person was told prior to the date. I only found real stories where a person 2 or 3 dates in finds out that they have wasted time and money on someone they weren’t into. In the majority of trans murders the reason was because the trans person was a street worker.
@@akaJAMILA Nikki Kahnhausen was a 17 yr old trans girl who went missing after leaving her friend's apartment to meet somebody she had been messaging on Snapchat her skull was found 6 months later and the guy who killed her and her case made the law "Nikki's Law" which made it to where people couldn't use panic defense in cases involving lgbt victims.
No doubt he same kind of person who hates being referred to as a homosapien.. There is never any need in everyday real life to refer to any woman as cis, or trans, only in medical or other very specific circumstances is that language ever used or needed. Seems like all the outrage is more about non trans peoples insecurity about social change and their feelings than the other way around.
A true trans girl/women is not 'a man' though, there is nothing manly about them, do you even know what a man is? If they are a man why would hetero and bi men find them beautiful enough to approach for a date, yet gay men wouldn't be interested at all?
Treat everyone with respect and you'll be fine.
I'm transgender in Missouri, and guess what! My neighbor across the street is also a Trans man. I think we might be the only two trans people at our school so, I believe the very low amount of trans people in Missouri but I lucked out with having someone going through the same thing as me be one of my close trusted friends.
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im also a trans man in missouri!! i live right outside kcmo so it is slightly more accepting here, but there is still very few people who are brave enough to be out publicly :(
if you're in school then it's just a phase, you'll get over it. hopefully before you irreversibly damage yourself.
@rongike you are uneducated and ignorant, work on yourself.
@@rongike no its not lol i wore nail polish and girls clothes since i was 12
the brunette trans-woman was the one that I had the closest views with.. she seems to be more unbiased and realistic to me
I personally believe in transparent honesty in relationships. I think you should expose who you are from the start. I hate that they call us CIS though. I don't want to be a part of their verbage or their reasoning of who I am.
cis just means 'not trans' though
@@marcelusdarcy ye, but just "woman" means it, theyre transwoman, you can be woman, not "cis woman" the useless terminology just to let em feel better and not "different" is so idiotic and ignorant cuz they wanna be called "woman", so they put different prefixes to make "woman" word as a "group of x,y,z", which is pathetic.
@@JEsterCWthere's portions of their chosen speach that is geared toward transhumanism. Being a transsexual it's so easy to spot it all. Btw they're close to males carrying * giving birth.
She seems a bit ignorant though, the difference between 'real woman' and 'real female' even some trans people people get caught up on semantics and confused.
Transitioned trans women should be allowed to live as women with similar courtesy afforded to female women and not criminalized, brutalized and attacked for who they are, all women trans and non trans have the same enemy and that enemy is not trans women.
18:09 comparing transitioning to stuff like drugs and smoking rly shows how misinformed the purple haired individual is on this topic. Transitioning is not dangerous, and no matter what age you are, usually you take a couple months to play around with things like makeup usually if you're going male to female, clothing, hair, pronouns, and names. If they make you feel great and you like the changes, then you can go on to the next steps and get stuff like hormones and surgeries. Doing it this way solidifies the trans persons confidence in who they are. As a trans woman myself I can say I would never go back to the way I was before, and I felt the same way when I was early in my transition too. All it takes is a little bit of time to make sure and this is not an issue at all. Really just another example of something that's extremely uncommon and usually not that harmful at all being told to everyone for the wrong purpose (transphobia).
Speaking as a trans-woman, I don't disclose on the first date. - Wait for it.
I disclose prior to the first date. 1) It makes sure that we're all on the same page. 2) If someone's transphobic or a TERF, it means I'm not telling them when I'm alone with them. It means I'm telling them via a means that makes me feel safe, be it in a public place or through DMs.
A biology lesson:
Most believe exclusively, that biological sex is caused by chromosomes, XX and you’re female, XY and you’re male. This is “chromosomal sex” but is it “biological sex”? Well...
Turns out there is only ONE GENE on the Y chromosome that really matters to sex. It’s called the SRY gene. During human embryonic development the SRY protein turns on male-associated genes. Having an SRY gene makes you “genetically male”. But is this “biological sex”?
Sometimes that SRY gene pops off the Y chromosome and over to an X chromosome. Surprise! So now you’ve got an X with an SRY and a Y without an SRY. What does this mean?
A Y with no SRY means physically you’re female, chromosomally you’re male (XY) and genetically you’re female (no SRY). An X with an SRY means you’re physically male, chromosomally female (XX) and genetically male (SRY).
Sex-related genes ultimately turn on hormones in specific areas on the body, and reception of those hormones by cells throughout the body.
“Hormonal male” means you produce ‘normal’ levels of male-associated hormones. Except some percentage of females will have higher levels of ‘male’ hormones than some percentage of males. Same with ‘female’ hormones.
...if you’re developing, your body may not produce enough hormones for your genetic sex. Leading you to be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally non-binary, and physically non-binary. Cells also have something to say about it.
Cells have receptors that “hear” the signal from sex hormones, but sometimes those receptors don’t work.
Which means you may be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally male/female/non-binary, with cells that may or may not hear the male/female/non-binary call, and all this leading to a body that can be male/non-binary/female.
Biological sex is complicated. Before you discriminate against someone on the basis of “biological sex” & identity, ask yourself: have you seen YOUR chromosomes? Do you know the genes of the people you love? The hormones of the people you work with? The state of their cells?
Since the answer will obviously be no, please be kind, respect people’s right to tell you who they are, and remember that you don’t have all the answers. Again: biology is complicated. Kindness and respect don’t have to be.
Note: Biological classifications exist. XX, XY, XXY XXYY and all manner of variation which is why sex isn't classified as binary. You can't have a binary classification system with more than two configurations even if two of those configurations are more common than others.
Biology is a shitshow. Be kind to people.
Can you direct us to sources/further readings on this information please?
@desmo-ciel I would gladly, but I find YT tends to not post outside links. 🫤
...I'll try, but if it doesn't post, looking up "SRY Gene", will give you a lot of information.
Stick with Pubmed, Medline, Science Direct or NCBI and you'll know the information is from a reputable source.
An interesting aside, when the SRY gene does jump from a Y to an X...it's during sperm formation, so males are responsible for this mutation indirectly.
It's their X chromosome that becomes mutated.
"Key points about SRY gene jumping to the X chromosome:
Mechanism:
This occurs through a genetic mutation where a piece of the Y chromosome containing the SRY gene breaks off and attaches to an X chromosome during meiosis (sperm cell development). "
...doubt most men would be happy to know that DSD's occur, because their sperm is off. 🫤
@desmo-ciel
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10602113/
@@desmo-ciel I've left you a few comments, but either they aren't showing "for me"...or YT is not keeping them posted. 🤷🏼♀️
Anyway, just Google SRY gene...and many sources will pop.
An interesting aside, when the SRY gene does jump from a Y to an X...it's during sperm formation, so males are responsible for this mutation indirectly.
It's "their" X chromosome that becomes mutated.
"Key points about SRY gene jumping to the X chromosome:
Mechanism:
This occurs through a genetic mutation where a piece of the Y chromosome containing the SRY gene breaks off and attaches to an X chromosome during meiosis (sperm cell development). "
...doubt most men would be happy to know that DSD's occur, because their sperm is off. 🫤
Studying anatomy and physiology, I had a shock to discover this and it helped my own self acceptance of my gender dysphoria. After studying further I get very frustrated when people bring up chromosomes
I'm so confused with all the sexist comments here.
Cis-Women is just a description of being a woman from the second of your birth, Trans-Woman is just a decriiption of a woman being a woman after a longer way. And just bcs you got sth between your legs doesn't mean that you have to be that. Your gender is based on your body AND how your identify. You can literally google it. It is the definition of gender. Why would it be a problem to feel not like your own gender? Nobody is complaning about you feeling good with your identity and body. So why is it so hard for some ppl to respect others when they are not feeling well with their body? What the actual hell?
It's a problem when the identifying person isn't acknowledging reality. Like in any way, as I've seen many trans ppl do. Ofc, do what you want, dress how you want but don't expect the whole world to see what you see, and again don't sit there and act like you aren't in any way still what you are/born as. Example, a person can identify as a bird, they could chirp like a bird, look like a bird but that doesn't mean they can fly and lay an egg. Also, also I'm one of the ppl who hate the cis thing. Like bro, Cis is made up. There have always been trans ppl and they never referred to ppl who weren't like them as cis. Sounds stupid honestly. This video title should've been titled trans women vs women. That's it.
@@passionneal7777 your arguments don't make any sense. Cis is not an insult or description that ppl are using just for fun. Transwomen for example are ppl born with male genitalia but identify as woman and maybe had surgery for their body, so they got female genitalia. Cis just means that you were born female and identify with that. It's a fact, it's not a fantasy thesis or sth. Even in science it's a thing and not controvesial. You can google it and you'll soon find a proof, that it's not made up. It's so easy to find😂
And your example has nothing to do with trans ppl. Birds are not even human, so ofc nobody would call you a bird even though your pretended to be one. That has nothing to do with gender and identity^^"
@@passionneal7777 waitt u actually made a great point
Biological woman ABSOLUTELY get judged for not wanting kids. They get judged for wanting them too, for that matter. Our fertility gets discussed in the most rude ways since we are girls, and family, friends and strangers alike will make comments and pass judgment on our choices (or lack of them if we can't conceive) without a second thought or any tact at all. Most women I know disclose their choice (whichever it is) when meeting a potential partner, unless they themselves don't know what they want.
Brian, as a man, abstaining from commenting in such a biased way would have been the elegant and respectful thing to do.
The very complicated and nuanced science of biology does not use terms such as 'woman' or 'man', instead uses terms like female, male and intersex, so 'biological female' is the correct term not 'biological woman'.
The alternate/punk bigot is wrong we don't see each others DNA everyone is judged on what they look like and behave like, the recent case of calling Algerian Boxer Imane Kalif "a man" because she did not meet the typical beauty standard proves transphobia harms those born female too.
And FYI after a certain amount of time on cross sex hormones real changes in biology do happen so despite what uniformed people think trans women are no longer 100% biologically male anymore after years on HRT.
biological women dont get murdered for not wanting kids, which is a choice. transgender people, including trans children, get murdered for something they can not control about themselves
Confirmed, my aunt is probably the only family member of mine not to have children even though she has a partner and most of the family is making fun of her or criticizing her choices, some of them do it openly while talking to her and some behind her back. It's awful.
9:44 sexuality and being trans aren't exclusive. Being trans is a big part of who we are, and we should be honest and upfront towards potential partners so we don't waste their time. It is about being respectful.
don't waste their time and respect... sure, so any cis person should disclose that they're cis as well to respect and not waste other people's time. Come on, let's all overshare irrelevant and super personal things on the first date!!!
@lav-kitty i understand it might feel uncomfortable for transwoman to say they are trans but it is so much safer. Not everyone is cool with just saying "no thanks." Some guys respond with aggression because they feel cheated. Just because something in society shouldn't work a certain way doesn't mean that is the reality of it. Acting ignorant to ways we can keep ourselves safe is just moronic behavior.
@@cspi3r0wttv28 that's a whole different issue, people who are agressive like that will he agressive for anything, including giving the information right away
@@lav-kittymost people are, so that's redundant. Trans is basically a deviation of the norm, it shouldn't be an issue to be honest about that. It's okay to be trans right, so be open about that. Not everyone is into trans, and trans people also deserve someone that loves them for who they are, not who they pretend to be. Not disclosing that may as well be lying, and definitely is misleading.
I fully agree that violence is bad, at the same time it's not wrong to advise people to think about their safety. Since it is a known issue that some men get violent when they feel misled like that. So again not condoning any violence, but if there are ways to prevent that why not do it?
@@RawrItsJuul First of all, the only reason trans is a deviation from the norm is because of how society views it. Secondly, no one owes you personal things about them that aren't relevant
what you're saying about someone loving you for who you are, there's also 2 issues with that, first is, not everyone puts huge importance into being trans as a part of their identity, just like people aren't pretending to be straight if they don't say they're not, trans people aren't pretending to be cis, they're just existing. Second is, even when mentioning I'm trans is relevant, I'm not gonna give that information to someone I don't trust, if they truly love me for who I am, then they wouldn't mind only receiving the information later on.
Not wanting to have children and being trans is completely different…
I’m thinking she just used that as her example because it’s a deal breaker for most people on one side or the other.
@@pinksmoke25123 yeah I don’t care, the two are not related, not even close to being similar situations. It was a bad example to use in general. Kissing a female who doesn’t tell you she has a penis is different than kissing a girl who eventually wants to have children.
@@deving.4318 That’s not “kissing a female”. That’s kissing a man, a male, and heterosexual men DO NOT want to do that. That should be considered a type of sexual assault/misconduct. Your “identity” should be disclosed to whoever you are talking to for the purpose of romantic relationships. Just like a woman should disclose if she doesn’t want children to men she is dating, because children are important in heterosexual relationships. To not want children is an outlier, so it matters in romantic relationships.
@@leahjames6870wrong. STRAIGHT men are attracted to trans women hun. you’ve never stepped foot outside your house or have met a real man in your life clearly.
@@leahjames6870Only straight men are attracted to trans women hun, they’re women. Stop speaking on things you’re clearly uneducated about hun it just makes you look silly.
As a cis women, i treat trans women with the respect I would treat any other women. But we are different biologically and need to be treated as such in terms of medical conversations
And in terms of spaces. Trans women do not belong in female sports and bathrooms.
What about locker rooms
As cis women I literally don't give a fuck about trans women they can live their life and I'll live mine I'll respect them they respect me I am tired of this debate
That's why they are medically. That's why the term cis and trans exist because medically trans women need different things
You mean men and women need different healthcare? Wow this is brand new information….
I’m so glad that the African-American girl was in this conversation.
I’m not
She sounds stupid
I think a host who does this type of content should not be bias. Keep your comment to yourself and let ppl express their emotions. I though it was trans and cis people’s opinion not Brian’s
It's so interesting because every time I watch something like this, I feel like the one who has the most judgmental/discriminatory views always just... uses the argument that the other side just disproved using science and logic? Like, the purple haired woman saying "we don't let children do something that could have massive consequences" right after hearing the other side talk about puberty blockers and how they have *no* consequences. Then she spoke of puberty and hormones when um, pretty sure puberty blockers BLOCK PUBERTY. Lmao. It's always like this. And bless that woman, she's respectful at least. But please just listen or ask for clarification.
She's respectful and all, but you can very clearly tell she doesn't think it's RIGHT to be trans. So she tailors all of her views to make it as difficult as possible and limit the amount of "transness" in society as much as possible 🤷. So your logic is correct, but that doesn't matter, she simply wants to put in obstacles to transitioning, therefore she's against any puberty blockers and overall GAC for kids 😒
There are absolutely consequences associated with puberty blockers. Trans activists will lie through their teeth about this. Puberty blockers cause boys to permanently have a micropenis, and if they change their mind, they will have to go through life with the genitalia of a small child. If they do not change their mind and want to have bottom surgery, there will not be enough usable penile tissue to create a neo-vagina. It is not 100% reversible. Not to mention they can also cause permanent sterility in many cases, and loss of sexual function. Puberty blockers are child abuse, period.
Great value jubilee.
18:09 Brian why did you start playing that background noise when the purple hair girl started talking? The music to me sounds like music you play when someone you want to make fun of is talking. Its obvious you disagree with her, but her points are just as valid as everyone elses, and I dont appreciate you trying to change her mind/make her feel bad for her thoughts. Just a bit of criticism for the next video. This topic is highly sensitive, and it would be nice to just hear how the people in the video think without a bias cutting in.
The woman is an absolute clown
agreed and Brian shouldnt be inserting his personal statements and feelings when he's supposed to be a neutral mediator...
totally!!! he was very nasty.
transphobia is NOT a valid point
@@miladeseitanclearly u need to learn what transphobia means bc she isnt transphobic
Brian really irritated me here lol. I feel like there is a bit of power imbalance when its your own video and so him adding his opinions or disagreeing or encouraging someone to change their mind-
also LET THE WOMEN SPEAK ON WOMEN ISSUES imo. Like this was so we could hear their views
Its annoying. And kind of unethical on research grounds. (Im a researcher)
Haha I appreciate the feedback- seriously! I’m trying my best to have difficult conversations with people who had different experiences. I want to do it in a fair way for sure, and also in a way that I make sure that no one feels like they’re being bullied. It’s tough but I’m trying! Again, I appreciate the feedback and I’ll do my best to make sure all voices are heard.
Also to respond to the “LET THE WOMEN SPEAK” part, did it really feel like I wasn’t letting them speak? I’m not asking that sarcastically I really am curious to hear how I made it seem like I wasn’t letting them speak. Thank you again!
Right why are you attacking actual women with your male opinion like shut up
@@BrianTerada I don't think it came across that way! I like hearing your thoughts, but at the same time there is a reason why in the jubilee videos, the director will only nudge the conversation by asking a question posed in the most neutral way possible. Really appreciate what you're doing though, your channel is great
I think you're making problems, the women were speaking on women's issues, Brian just gave his input and it was quite clear that that one cis woman was being transphobic and it made him uncomfortable. There was no abuse of power so I really don't understand what you mean. Him disagreeing with her (and rightfully so) wasn't imposing anything, she still stood strongly on her opinion afterwards.
Why not diclose it before the date? That way you can avoid potential dangers and wasting your time. I don't get it
Fear of rejection. Knowing that 99% of the time you'll get rejected. By not disclosing it, you prolong the fantasy that you want to experience. Unfortunately this is misleading to the other person who doesn't expect certain body parts not being reflective of the image projected by the trans person. At the end of the day you expect to have sex with the person you're dating. You fantasize and imagine it even before it eventually happens. Many trans people don't admit that sexuality is tightly connected to biology. I'm gay and if I unknowingly date a trans man and it comes to sex and I see a penis missing and bondage around chest, I'll be quite dissapointed and leave.
I get it, I personally always used to disclose, but I get the argument for some women not doing so. When you say that you are trans, a lot of the time, that's all they end up seeing you as, and it'll be harder for them to get to know you as a person because of that.
@@LeahKizzyPeirson It isn't only about you. If a man doesn't want to have sex with born biological males that look like females. That is his preference. Trying to trick or groom men's sexuality isn't moral.
@@KyleReeseCel2029 I never said anything about sex, I'm talking about initial dates. I would always disclose before sex if it came to it, though a straight man sleeping with a trans woman doesn't change his sexuality, some straight men don't care, some do, it's just about preference
Because is a personal thing and u share it when you want... Is so desonest to say but some people are not attracted to that and they should be informed to be able to choose... Girl if they were not attracted they would have flirted in the first place they are just transphobic and because of that after they know their attraction changes
The show is great. The only thing ruining the show is Brian himself. If you’re going to copy Jubilee copy their ability to not be involved in every stinking video. This video was great till you out your two cents in and discredited what the girls were saying. And also trying to use this platform to change people’s minds to push your own agenda is tacky and annoying. We came here to watch two opposing view points not have you trying to change people’s minds.
Absolutely agree with this. The way he jumps in as though he is some figure of authority. Remain neutral and allow the guests to speak their truth- without judgement.
Agreed!!! You can also make people begin to answer differently. Him commenting does not provide a safe place for everyone.
literally! Don't speak on behalf of women as a gay man. I would have felt so uncomfortable and pitted against.
Yup!
Crybaby 😅
How typical of a man to insert himself in a discussion women are having. I enjoyed this up until the moderator decided to get involved. 🙄
All the participants did great. But moderator needs to just let them talk and not change minds. The woman with purple hair was asked if she would reveal something personal and she gave an example with not wanting kids. She never said it was AS personal as revealing you're trans. And maybe it is something very personal to her. I don't see how a stranger, especially a man, could say it isn't.
The trans individuals were very respectful of opinions they didn't agree with. They didn't get emotional and they countered her points very effectively. Compared to the Jubilee individuals, it just goes to show when you remain level headed and don't get over-emotional, you get your point across better.
Love the women in this.... HATE the moderator. I just want him to shut up and let them discuss the topics. Great conversations.
dude he literally spoke for probably a total of two damn minutes. this is HIS channel. hes doing nothing wrong? u hate him so much but loved thevideo and the women in it but HE created it. like how hard is it to just keep negative sht like that to yourself? i bet your weird ass cant name one GOOD (or bad) reason as to why u hate him lmao how lame. saying u hate someone and have heard them speak for 2 minutes and saying they need to shut up just shows your character. the fact that u watched this video then decided to comment that blows me. just super corny.. do better.
Exactly, this episode is cis womena and trans women not cis/trans women and a gay guy.
@@lucas.danielwow, homophobia all the way up to the moon here. Good to know.
If you didn’t know, a moderator is there to join and direct a conversation… but you’re clearly not very bright so you may not understand that.
@@MrDiggle. babe, I'm a gay man ... I understand the point about moderators being there to move the convo along ((((as a general thing)))) but in this type of interview, it's about cis/trans women so a gay guy chiming isn't what I really care about in this vid. If it was about "do gay men and straight men think the same?" and then a lesbian was moderating and gave her thoughts, my stance would be the exact same.
Why would anyone want to go on a date they wouldn't feel safe expressing something like this about themselves?
I get what you're saying but that's an excuse. Trans people shouldn't deceive people they're dating because they're personally afraid. If you can't be truthful to someone you're supposedly dating then you shouldn't be dating. Living within a relationship built off secrecy and deceit. That said, society can ALWAYS and should do better but that doesn't mean there won't be nuts out on the streets. Date smart.
Imagine screaming nO oNe oWeS yOu Ma LiE StOrY to someone you had to coerce into meeting up with you? Like nobody wanted it tf 😂 they have a sanity issues, not a safety one.
So they can show off that new forearm skin Willy 🤢
Ah yes, and why would they eat bread when they could just eat cake like the rest of us?
If people didn't often respond with violence, abandonment, intense judgment, etc... If it weren't such a big deal for some people, it wouldn't be a difficult topic. I'm usre there would be much less hesitation to come out so soon.
@@xatusound Such a stupid argument, makes literally no sense. Why buy bread if you don't want or need bread? Or do YOU wanna date someone that you don't feel safe with? Or someone that gives you bad vibes or is full of red flags? That is just stupid. Before the date, if the person feels like a person who is gonna react badly, why go on a date with the person? On the other hand, if you have a great feeling that you can share this thing with the person, then you should go on a date, no matter if you are gonna tell or not.
I'm a biological woman. I wear sweats and I don't even fix my hair lol. I don't wear pink or wear dresses. I can't even remember the last time I wore heels. I usually don't wear makeup. I break every "social construct" rule and yet I'm still a woman and treated as such because that's what I am. What part of my womanhood is a social construct to you and what does that even mean?
This.
they are talking about the fact that people define being a sex to being a biological sex, while actually even tho you can be a man, you can have a biological gemale sex. In this sense, what is a social construct is the idea that inner sex has to match the biological body, witch is false.
The "treated as such" is the social construct part. You just have gender expression which is not stereotypically female, yet inhabit female gender role.
The fact is, a few centuries ago the color pink was a masculine color you put baby boys in so people know they are boys but light blue was a feminine color you dressed baby girls in. That's the kind of aspects of gender role that are socially constructed. Additionally, the number of genders being two vs third genders like katoy in Thailand, hidjra in India, two spirit in native American tribes or more recently "non-binary" are all gender roles constructed by society. In biology, brain-sex/gender is a spectrum and intersex conditions like "hermaphrodites", xxy chromosomes, x0, ect... Complicate things beyond the normal male/female typical divide. Most cultures just have two genders cuz that works 99.2% of the time, but not 100%
Try to wear beard and you will get it.
Social construct effects every part of your appearance and behavior, even those that you do not control, like the shape of your face and body.
Many trans women don't follow all the female social constructs. But they're still women. You do follow some constructs. If you're treated as a women, that is also a social construct. Trans women are not here to teach you. Nor do we have to prove anything to you. Our existence is not debatable. Trans women and cis women both are women. Different types of women. That's it. End of discussion.
Brunette trans is Blair White clone
A pick me and people pleaser, conservative trans folk are an enigma. Why side with those who want to criminalize your existence, for you not to exist anywhere except on specific adult sites?
Obviously there is big money to be made and pats on the head for sleeping with the enemy, while throwing all others who are trans under the bus hoping society see you as; "one of the good ones".
Same thoughts
9:14 wtf is that question? Wasn't sexuality and gender separate things? Of course you should mention you're trans to someone, it's common decency. Now, as someone that can fall in love with either gender, it's not something utterly important to discuss, because our sex life isn't gonna change, I wanna be with that person and that person only. The possibility of liking both genders has nothing to do with loyalty. And it amazes me that I'm even explaining such dumb question, lol
EXACTLY! The thing that really irritates me in particular is the fact that she quite literally said before that “sexuality & gender are different things”. It might just be me, but the way she asked that question sounded like she was annoyed/offended. Like I’m sorry but if someone is transgender, that is a BIG aspect of their life, much more so than being, gay/bi/les, etc. Changing gender and liking the same/both or opposite gender are extremely different subjects. Being trans is going to be something that could potentially drastically change your relationship if your partner doesn’t know, like sure; if you’re someone who is bi (such as myself) it could change a few things but if you’re trans, if your partner wants to have children from YOU AND THEM ONLY, they won’t be able to, regardless if the person has had bottom surgery or not. Being trans is a MUCH more important thing to know on a first date rather than which gender your date likes.
@@gay_4u A lot of women either can't or don't want to have children and don't necessarily disclose that on the first date, it's the same
If your post op and pass and it's just meaningless sex/ a hook up I don't see why you should mention your trans but if it's for a relationship yea it's important to mention
Why would it be indecent to not tell someone? Being trans is just a small part of who someone is.
As a trans woman i felt the most representation from Tierra, i guess just goes to show that even among trans people theres a wide variety of perspective
Brian, you are a man and you invalidated a woman's opinion on what was supposed to be a women's panel. This was not your discussion.
Half the panel were men, so...
@@sia9907. Lol
@@sia9907nope, they’re all women hun
@Siracheetahwrong, they’re all women’s opinions hun
@SiracheetahYou’re an ar*b hun
I have to HIGHLY DISAGREE with some of the points made in this video. Firstly, not wanting children as a female definitely is something that society discriminates and looks down upon. There is a constant pressure and expectation of women to have children. Hence the stereotype of the aging lonely cat lady. It's extremely dismissive to say women who don't want to have kids don't face discrimination. They are definitely looked down upon as being "lesser" to women who have children. Secondly, a woman may not want to have children because of a medical condition she has, or maybe she cannot get pregnant because of a medical condition. So it is not always a choice. Thirdly, unless the person you're dating is homophobic, being bisexual has literally no effect on physical intimacy between 2 people whatsoever. That would be irrelevant as it does not change anything about the dynamic with intimacy. Fourthly, I am bisexual and yes, I have always been upfront about it to people I've dated. And yes, I would definitely discuss kids early on in dating to make sure we were on the same page. Be honest about who you are. Don't waste your time on people who don't fully accept you. Move on and find someone else. Honesty is the foundation to a healthy loving relationship.
Like "spinster" isn't a word or something. It only proves people don't know a lot of what cis women go through.
He wasn't trying to say it isn't bad he was saying you can't compare it lol, You're not going to get beat up for saying i don't want kids learn to listen
@@HottieCouture if you know a person wants kids and you withhold that you can't have them while allowing them to emotionally invest in you, the person will be angry when they find out. In both situations violence being used just depends on the person. It's mostly been women being beat by men for all kinds of reasons.
@@HottieCouture His words in the video: " It's not as personal of a journey as being transgender. It's a choice. If you don't want to have kids, it's your own decision. If someone is judging you for that, at least you had control over that and that's like what you actually want. If you're transgender, you're born that way and you face a lot of discrimination. You may have had to pay a lot of money, been disowned by your family or your friends or your community. You could be put in danger for it as well. I don't think that is as personal, especially to reveal on the first date." Oh I listened. Did you??
Bisexuality certainly does have an effect on physical intimacy. There are signiificant differences in dynamics. I am a lesbian. I have been sexually involved with lesbians and bisexuals. I have had relationships with both. The sex is different with bisexuals. They can't connect with women on a deeper level like lesbians can. The intimacy with lesbians is much deeper than the intimacy with bisexual women. The sex is empty sex with bisexuals... the kissing caressing and affection, and the intimacy during sex is empty. I have never had an amazing deep sexual connection with bisexual women, and many lesbians agree with me. This is the case whether the relationship is more casual or more meaningful. The emotional connection too is a deeper connection with lesbians. This is why lesbians refuse to get involved with bisexual women. You might not realise it. Lesbians know the difference though. Bisexuals might be capable of having that deep connection with men, but not with women.
Does the moderator understand the concept of his own show? Cause it seems like he doesn't.
The “moderator” crossed over into expressing his view too much.
Brian tryna guilt trip the lady with purple hair is what is wrong with society. Bully.
Im gay and i dont want transman cause i like not only a man i like a penis sorry but not telling that is misleading,i would respect your as a trans but its different then a cisman. There is more to sexuality then Just a gender.
Some transmen have penises, and they get the surgery to have one.
Yep
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I am a gay teen, I like penis, however I would still date a trans man who passes. I think it's okay and normal not to be okay with that though. I'm not attracted to female body parts but for me a relationship is not just about that. Also as a dysphoric person, if I were to transition, I would only be able to have kids with a biological woman, and that could only be with a trans man. There are multiple layers to it and we shouldn't call gay men who would date trans men bi because relationships are more than sex.
@@EmberFlames_Jagyou're trying to redefine what "gay" means but nobody asked you to or even said they were okay with it. Please just let the gays and lesbians have their language and their preferences.
"Can't we all just get along??" Well stated, Rodney King lol
Straight up copying Jubilee and giving them no credit
And doing it worse
Jubilee suck on anything to do with trans too.
How exactly is he supposed to give them credit?
“Thanks Jubilee for letting me copy you!”
I don't want to have children either. Noone belief me though 🤣🥲 part of my dates thought that there is for sure "something wrong with me" and others didn't take it serious. Now Im in a relationship that works because my husband don't want to have children either
Trans women DEFINITELY should be telling people they are on a date with if they are trans or not. Even the examples used in the video weren't to the same degree. If violence is the reason that Trans people decide not to tell, we should address that socially/legally etc. But "being scared of violence" doesn't mean you get to take someone's choice away. I'm very liberal but I will never be for trans people getting to mislead people who are interested in them.
hello? you dont owe anyone your life story if you are going out to get to know them. sex is different like they two women disagreeing spoke on. just say your not an ally babe!
how are trans people misleading anyone?
It's not about misleading. People can get so violent, and sure you need to be careful with whom you go out, but we shouldn't be saying trans people are "deceiving" others for not saying right off the bat that they're trans.
There are so many assumptions about if a person were to say if that they're trans. (mostly being assumed what genitals they have which is so personal to disclose on a first date).
It's less of a deception and more about what people feel comfortable doing. Personally, I'd skip the possible invaisve/rude/awkward questioning phase when I tell them I'm trans BEFORE I even meet them cause in person being asked invasive questions about my genitals or about my transition isn't how I wanna spend a first date.
it's none of your business so get out of the comments.
@russellsmith2341 I agree that no one owes anyone their life story on a first date. But let’s be real - most straight men do not want to date a transgender woman, and that is their right. So why should someone play with another person’s emotions under false pretenses knowing that being trans IS a deal breaker for a lot of men. There are so many dating sites where transwomen can find men that will worship them like the goddesses they are. So I think it’s completely selfish and extremely abusive to lead someone on like that.
And the whole attitude of we can’t be allies bc we don’t support lying is such a turn off. I have been a long time supporter of LGBT rights waaaaaay back when it was the “cool” thing to do. But I don’t support anyone playing with someone’s emotions for their own benefit. If you aren’t comfortable revealing you are trans to a straight man you want to date - then don’t date them. Easy peasy. Your feelings are not more important than anyone else’s. Find a dating site where straight men are begging to date you and get it on, girl!
These 4 women were very eloquent and open. I especially enjoyed Natalia’s perspective and confidence. She is excellent in expressing her views. Being trans is nothing to be ashamed of and therefore should not be hidden. Hiding it implies it’s something to be ashamed of.
remove that flag
@@Subsfrubetome why would I do that? I love Israel and its people. Do you often try to impose your wishes on strangers? Strange habit.
@@Subsfrubetome I would respectfully recommend you remove the photo. It’s the opposite of aesthetic.
I'm not ashamed to say I'm transsexual. I will openly tell you
But I transitioned because I knew since I was a very young age. My transition was a small inconvenience in my life. I live as the women I have always known I was, blend in with women. The vast majority of my friends are woman
To me if you know your a woman and transitioned to be that woman why would you want to make your identity trans. Surely if you need to do that you have transitioned for the wrong reasons.
@@staceypark7408 Why did you need to transition if you already felt you were a woman. What were you transitioning from and to? If you’re referring to surgeries, they certainly don’t sound like a little inconvenience. They seem very painful and highly complex, with lifelong physical implications. It’s good and important that you are clear with potential partners, as you do appear to be.
Obviously I have my own biases but I feel that most of the view of these women are unrepresentative of most people, cis or trans. They feel like outliers just to stoke debate.
9:37 comparing Trans to bisexual is absurd.
Some trans folk are bisexual so what is so absurd?
16:25 no it wouldn't
17:39 yes it does- the literal definition of puberty is "the period during which adolescents reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction." ..... so if you block that natural growth then they will be unable to have children.
What's that famous trans kid Jaz something. Went on puberty blockers and as a consequence didn't grow enough of a penis to make into a vagina when the time came. As a result had a botched operation and will never have an orgasm wow
If female.
Dawg, what? Puberty blockers aren't permanent.
@@Icex7 the average time of a natural puberty lasts 4-6 years.
There are warnings for puberty blockers which generally refers to usage beyond a couple of years, often considered around 2 to 3 years. Prolonged use can impact growth, bone density, and other developmental aspects. These effects are irreversible.
@@sweetbabyYEEiiJJ Citation? Because everything I've read doesn't say anything like that.
I think it's ok if Brian wants to maybe add some perspective to the discussion or ask more questions to help further the discussion. I do think if hes presenting information as a fact he should be careful in making sure it actually is fact first. For instance, people being born trans, is definitely still up for debate and isn't a fact like how he stated at 13:10, so it was clear there was some bias there.
If we say trans women are women, then I, as a biological woman, can say I'm trans and no one can say anything about it. So no. Trans women = trans women. You transitioned for a reason. You're a different kind of woman = trans. And it's okay. What's the moderator high on, btw? He's tripping hard trying to make people change their opinions like that.
And Tierra has a script in her head. Not actual opinions based on reality.
The difference is that you are doing it in bad face, unlike trans women who literally risk their lives to be themselves.
You know different people, like nazies do not consider gay, trans, black or jewish people even hummans , so you can consider whatever you want
Trans women are under the umbrella of "women". Do you not consider black women, disabled women, gay women to still be women? So 'a trans woman' is accurate, but so is just 'a woman'.
@@romanzaporozhets4237 always bringing up the nazis, you folk. get a fresh argument. you cannot change your sex so i dont even call these ones 'trans'. but i do believe they identify as such so i call them trans identified people
Trans women
Cis women
Both are women.
I think its generally safer to use the first date or two to figure out what kind of person you're on the date with, cause some guys get violent if you tell them, so you can just ghost a guy who seems like they won't react well.
Having gender dysphoria is not a choice. But choosing to deal with that dysphoria by presenting an opposite s3x presentation is a choice.
The ways we choose to meet people is also definitely a choice. Some are safer than others. That's as true for women as it is for transgender identifying men.
the thing I don't like about this whole choice discussion is that people like to make it only "it's not a choice so it's okay" or "it is a choice so who cares"
what if it is a choice? there are plenty of choices in life that are hard and relate to your mental and physical health, as well as safety, money, and other important things. It being a choice or not shouldn't be relevant
When somebody's choice affects other people, and even affects law and policy in a way that violates other people, it is relevant.
1) It is necessary to differentiate: sex, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation.
2) In places like a house or a plane, all people use the same restroom and there is no problem.
3) A trans woman does not have to carry a sign that says I am trans, no one does.
4) Much gender dysphoria would be avoided if hormone blockers were used in adolescence.
yes puberty blockers are an option but inaccessible in most parts of America. Sad. For the rest yeah correct
@@i3ignorantidelweb43 not sad, it’s good. Finland and Sweden no longer allow it after a study showed both physical and psychological harm.
@@quinnllllll blockers were intended for precocious puberty for a MAX of 6 months, not for years and years. Also why don’t yall ever mention dysphoria for 9 out of 10 kids alleviates itself during that process you are wishing to STOP irreversibly?
Oh, the Missouri emergency rule was to halt hormonal-based gender affirming care for minors. It affected both minors and adults only in that it affected both minors and "adult parents of minors seeking gender-affirming care."
The emergency order was summarily withdrawn; however, minors are now banned from beginning puberty-blockers in Missouri, unless they had begun treatment before the policy went into effect after review by courts.
Misrepresenting a legal process does no one any favors, regardless of where they side.
Props to the black lady(the only non-white person here btw) in the cool outfit
I like Transwomen, but I'm a Transguy
The moderator should have a neutral stance and let the women speak. To call out Grace could possibly ensure that she starts giving fabricated answers to avoid being called out again.
I also love how everyone commented on "Not wanting to have children is not the same, Grace!" When it was Pink dress that made that comparison first.
I thought that’s the point of this trans awareness “we see you” b.s…. To tell women there are better upgrades moving in….. MEN
@@paradisegarden1316 LMAO! The we see you 😂 spot on. I don’t use anything but RUclips so I may be behind the times but that is one of the many exhausted phrases I see all the time. IMO this whole series of videos is “look at what a great guy I am y’all I support the things. But lemme talk about being gay over everyone” 🤦🏿♀️
@@Kurozyl I’m not seeing that? Just comments about it not being the same in general. The comments about Grace were her opinion being disregarded after being asked it by Brian anyway, not a slight towards her.
@@PatricenotPatrick I may have paraphrased my point and not been clear. It wasn't about it being a slight (although I do feel the moderator was forcing her to defend her opinions and giving her the opportunity to change her opinion at 3:00 which I haven't seen happen in any of these before and does imply that her opinion is less valid) , but my "point" was everything is being aimed at her when she didn't make the comparison.
11:02 - Pink compares "declaring you are trans" to "saying you don't want to have children"
12:25 , 13:05 and 13:35 - Moderator aims comments directly at Grace (the last 2 being directly related to a comparison she wasn't even the one that made)
14:45 - Comment aimed directly at Grace about them not being the same
Holy fuck, I can't even finish watching this. This is just angering me so fucking much. Gosh, I'm so fine being a man. Just watch the trans man vs cis man version. They're so more chill and respectful. But here, even the black haired trans woman is angering me. Gosh.
The little girl is just lovely
I’m a trans intersex woman and my blood would come back with estrogen levels in the female range. When you’re on hrt it’ll show your blood as the gender you’re taking hrt for.
@JaderoseWillin I'm a trans man. I know
@@tobiboladawn3151 I know it’s just annoying how no one countered that like wtf
genuinely what is this comment? just because 5 men ended up being more chill than 5 women you figured that must be the case for most?
Not every man wants to date a trans woman dor their own reasons it doesnt always make them a bigot its just not what theyre are attracted to so i think its only safe to tell them right away
no it's actually not 'only safe to tell them right away'. There are many circumstances where a trans woman can't sus out if someone is going to have a safe reaction, so if we're talking safety and a trans women passes, it's likely for her to be safer not stating that she is trans. Safety is very situation specific
It's actually not safe. Do you know how many trans women get hatecrimed after disclosing the fact that they're trans to people? It's dangerous to be quite frank
you can literally be killed just for being trans but alr
@@CyberChunk77? Tf kind of stupidity is that. There’s plenty of cis men that are ok w dating transwomen. Just cus there’s transphobes in the bunch doesn’t mean all trans people should now stay away from all cis people. (Also there’s plenty if T for T couples anyway, it’s not like trans people are specifically looking to date cis people only.)
@@CyberChunk77 So I'm gonna reply to this in two versions. This is version 1: That would be hard considering the trans population makes up such a small percent of the population.
A discussion without the voice of a woman who disagrees, yet soo many of us do!
Disagrees with what? Didnt the purple hair lady disagree more than not
You know nazis also disagreed that gews, blacks, gays and trans people are people. It doesnt mean anything if you disagree if it is about human lives and suffering that str8 community unleashes on minorities
Do you fear to be called a bigot. Then you are betraying your true self.
@@Tammy.ryan1982 This word " bigot " is the most self serving, gratuitous, ridiculous use of the word I have ever come across. I am a str8 very open minded and accepting woman. I try my best to be respectful of people's life choices.. I was shocked to read not long ago that a few years ago there were about 200 lesbian bars across the U.S. Now they have dwindled down to about 15. The reason for this is because biological men who now claim to be " trans women" have infiltrated this space of lesbian women and demand to be inclusive. But they call themselves " transbian's" and say they prefer women. They have male genitalia yet they bully and shame the real lesbian women for not including them in their dating pools!!!! Can you imagine??? These women are given NO consideration as to their personal preference. They are called " bigots" and "transphobes" if they don't accept it and agree to happily learn to play the flute!!!! 😁 I mean isn't the definition of a lesbian that you prefer women? It's the most insane thing I have come across yet. It's almost comical but I genuinely feel so bad for these sisters because I don't even think most str8 people are aware of it and they have no support and are deemed invisible. It gets me angry. You know that a lot of these people are not really even trans! They are just pervy men who found a loophole and are looking for creepy ways to get close to women! So these spaces of lesbian bars have just dwindled because the women feel like they have been over run. Another example of mowing over a woman's rights !!
@@Tammy.ryan1982 Calling a man a man is not bigoted.
Disclosing gender & sexuality on the first date is something different. The Person you're on a date with knows that you are attracted to them and have been Attracted to other people before. I don't see why the other person would even care about which gender those people where.
While being Trans is a big part of someones identity and there are people who'd view their attraction to you differently under that knowledge.
It's therefore also a lot more of a deal when you come out to the other person about being trans than being f.e. bisexual.
When it's about getting to know a friend, then that's a different topic, because you have no clue which people the other person is attracted to and neither aspect of sexuality and gender should frankly play any role in weather you'll become friends
As a note on the abortion comment around 6 minutes in
A cis woman who doesn't have the capacity for pregnancy generally would be in the same boat
Regardless of trans or cis or whatever, yeah, speak on issues that affect you, give room for people who are affected by issues that you are not affected by. Obviously.
Omg intersex and trans is not the same thing
No but around 20% of intersex people transition
@@staceypark7408false. Dont equate their much needed surgeries with your cosmetic ones
Depends on the person's journey
A lot (if not most) of trans people have undiagnosed intersex characteristics.
And being transgender is in a way of form of intersex condition.
12:27 what about the feelings of the other person. They might want to date a biological male.
Please stop with the "cis" nonsense. It's "man" and "woman". We differentiate gender dysphorics by using "trans" in front of the way they're presenting.
Cis women is born women that what the meaning means in Spanish.
@@jessicagregory4683 Esa no es una palabra española. Ni “Latinx” que es impronunciable. Smh.
@@jessicagregory4683 You don't NEED "Cis"; people have understood the meaning of woman FOREVER. The use of "Cis" is the radical gender dysphoria activists trying to make language dictates.
@@jessicagregory4683Cis women are just women. Transwomen dont exist. These men are not more female then intersex people.
I agree
The black woman and the older trans woman had the Best answers asides black womans views on sexuality dating a trans woman. Relating that men are political she called trans women men and didn't realize it. Tbh I think sexuality depends on the person so while she doesn't have to be attracted another lesbian might treat a trans woman as a woman and date. This was my experience even for every girl before I even ever came out. They were all lesbians that dated me because they liked me and tbh I was very feminine. They saw me as one of the girls. Tbh sexuality is diverse and not in a box.
The funniest thing is the fakest people stuck together. The punk girl was less of a punk then she looked as she was completely against the punk movement and even noted being a bible thumper. The pretty trans women who loved the trans identity and her skin had the least trans-like views of them all. She was pretty fake and felt like she had a lot of inner transphobia tbh. Unlike 80% of the trans community she didn't seem to have gender dysphoria and really didn't feel like she would relate to others in the trans community. She felt fake and just liked the identity of being trans.
I don't know being trans myself the most relatable was the black woman and older trans woman. I also don't love being trans and didn't have a choice. It was come out or likely die. It takes your life away until you do. It wasn't a choice. Life was livable after even if people often sucked to deal with. Though didn't have a choice. Being a cis man would never make me happy so trans is better then that. If anything being a cis woman would feel most right.
Because the pretty trans women can't relate to dysphoria she can't relate to trans kids and the 80% of trans people in the community like more. She's pretty fake.
Trans women are trans woman and there's nothing wrong with that.
Yeah. Transsexual women are transsexual women and therefore belong to the category of women.
Trans women are trans women. No one's denying that, but trans women are women, just like cis women are women. There may be biological differences or whatever, but that doesn't matter as biology and gender are separate as proven by psychologists and biologists alike
Trans women are women. Trans is a descriptor not a noun
Trans women are men. That’s the reality of it
No need to disrespect a trans-identifying man but "trans women" are men identifying as women, they are not women and should not be classified as such if we care at all about the safety and legal rights of women.
I feel like Tierra was most in line with views of a majority of trans people that I'm familiar with
I would assume she's a lot more in touch with the queer community than the rest
Maybe that's a bias of me being in more progressive queer spaces though. I tend to avoid the other end, too much Immediate self hate and all that.
The meditator singling out Grace is what makes it hard for open dialogue.
In my opinion, yes. Trans women are real women same as trans men are real men. This is because gender is a social construct. They are roles that are for you to fit into and interpret in your own way. Do I believe you can change your biological sex?? No. I dont. But gender and sex are two very different things. I also like how they brought intersex people into the conversation because that’s also very important to consider in these conversations.
01:15 deadnaming Kaitlyn Jenner LITERALLY in the first minute of this show, I knew that this lady was gonna be a Karen 😤😢
People are missing the point about trans women needing to reveal that they're trans on the first date, it is because they know 99% of cis straight people aren't into dating trans people. So trans people don't reveal it on purpose to try to deceive cis people until they have fallen in love and they can then coerce them into dating.
They are lying about something that they know is a huge deal breaker for a majoirty of people.
Are you trans yourself ? No. Then know your place 👏
the main issue is that when you go on a first date as a trans person, you dont know what opinions the other person has of trans people in general meaning that you could get discriminated against or assaulted due to you opening up about it right away
(Btw I am a trans woman)
@@AndyFTW100 So then mention it before you meet up with the person. If you meet on tinder for example mention that you are trans in your bio or something
@@kittyfairy662no. Trans people are fetishized. So to disclose this info in our bio means men hurling from every direction wanting to experience girl dick. We wanna be treated just like everybody else not when you feel like "Experiencing something new" like we're some kind of drug and It's not your place to tell people what they should say or disclose anyway. if trans women are being killed it's not because they're not protecting themselves it's because people are generally transphobic and they shouldn't. It's down right victim blaming if you say otherwise like saying "well she was raped bc she wasnt dressing modestly"
The majority of cis gays and lesbians don't want to date trans people either. There's trans "men" in some of my gay men's groups and they get mad that gay men don't want to eat their cat or be with them. They're delusional and it's borderline conversion therapy they're attempting when trying to gaslight us into dating them.
Transgenderism is in the mind, that's why it's a dysphoria. However, the brain itself is sexed. The XY or XX chromosomes are in the brain as well and they do influence the brain development of males and females. The fact that there are people with DSDs (Disorders of Sexual Development) aka "intersex" doesn't make this any less true. It still depends on whether or not the person has a Y or not. If the person does, no matter how many Xs, the person's a male. If the person is missing a sex chromosome as in Turner syndrome, that person is a woman since there are no known cases of a solo Y person. A woman with Turner syndrome is infertile due to ovarian misfunction, but that doesn't mean she's not a woman.
No the brain is not sexed, no such thing as; "male brain and female brain" male bodies naturally run on Testosterone and female bodies run on Estrogen, that said HRT causes a male body to run on Estrogen and vice versa for trans men, so they are no longer 100% biologically the same as they were before.
For the majority who are; not trans.. gender identity = sex, however for the minority who are; trans gender identity does not match the identified sex at birth.
Females do not have Y Chromosome
@@acr8615 - I never said women have a Y chromosome.
So you agree a trans woman who has the neuro netoworks of a female brain in a mans body is in fact a real woman ?
@@hummingbirdofgumption3263 Wrong, some do have androgen insensitivity syndrome so grow up as a woman and have a vagina. are socialized as a woman there are few cases of this TV shows have had episode devoted to the subject, many don't know they have a Y chromosome until puberty starts.
Everyone: talk about trans.
Tierra: Ask about gender is racist.
Me: throw that girl to the trash can, along side with blossom.
How can you not tell someone you are trans before the first date?? Let's be blunt about this. Heterosexual biological men generally do not want to have anal intercourse (or at least be restricted to it) and they do NOT want to perform fellatio on male gentalia.
This whole conversation about gentalia preference is absurd. It is not just about having children or raising a family. It is about the type of physical sex/sexual intercourse that heterosexual men and heterosexual women want to have. Heterosexual biological men generally want vaginal intercourse and do not want anal sex.
A Forbes study showed between 77% to 88% of men want and prefer vaginal intercourse. 10% to 30% found anal intercourse somewhat appealing, but not on a regular basis. Also heterosexual biological men DO NOT want to perform oral sex on a penis as they are not homosexual. This should be the end of the ridiculous conversation on this.
Also a neo-vagina does not look like a biological woman's vagina or function like one, which is why most transwomen do not get one and retain their male gentalia. Even if a transwoman were to get one, heterosexual biological men still do not want to date or have a relationship with them as they are not biological women, do not look like biological women, and also cannot produce children.
I looked it up and here are the risks of hormone therapy before puberty.
Fertility: both estrogen & testosterone hormones can permanently limit fertility especially if taken before puberty.
Strokes, blood clots, cardiovascular disease is a possibility
Increase risks of diabetes, and has long term effects on the development of the adolescents brain.
Literally any medication has risks.
Of course it does, like any medication, but before puberty we don't put people on hormones therapy rather on hormone blockers that have less risks and effects
they talked a lot about puberty blockers though, which has no risks. all it does it postpone puberty until that person either a) decides to come off of them and go through puberty normally or b) start taking their preferred hormone treatment
@murphyscat AND THAT doesn't cause any harm? Why don't we just leave children alone okay. They can medically transition if/when they turn 18.
@@RachelRavengarden im sorry, your the nicest of the commenter's so far but it is absolutely not true that these cause no harm to a growing changing body. When I was a teen I had an ED I didn't understand the harm it does till now. Im almost 24. I have bad knees, bad bone density ect. No one told me it was going to be an issue. I had to learn and be told as an adult. Changing anything about your physical body at so young WILL cause harm. Crap even birth control has its problems!
Could you maybe clarify where the positive and where the negative side is? like maybe with a + and a -
The choice of the candidates is a little bit poor. One of the normal women is queer. It would be more interesting if this experiment was done with more normal women. The ratio here is 2 transgender, 1 normal and 1 queer. So it’s not really a good experiment.
It's so refreshing and nice to see this woman at the end saying 'I have the luxury of going to a store and picking out an outfit that I know is for me and wear it' - like, it feels good to see a woman appreciate that, because mens clothing options do suck, and I have wished my whole life I could just buy and wear womens outfits all the time
I am a trans woman, and obviously being a woman is not only about clothes, but clothes are more important in the female identity than the male identity, when I was a man and I was invited to fancy parties, I remember hating that I only had one option: dark colored suit and tie, while girls could wear a wide variety of dresses of all shapes, sizes and colors, plus many accessories and not to mention the makeup, is an art and talent by itself. Because of that and many other things I always wanted to be in the group of girls and that's why I am happy now.... And I must emphasize that I feel like a woman even when I'm naked in my room, the clothes are still secondary.
11:55 “there’s times I’m just walking down the street and would rather people not know that about me” All 0 times? How would people know, Brian? And please don’t hit us with them highlights that the Backstreet Boys, **NSYNC, Lenny Kravitz and all the rest were rocking when you were in diapers which is non issue aesthetic anyway 🤦🏿♂️ It seems to me that equality (which was a LEGAL goal we accomplished, not a social acceptance one) came quicker than anyone could have anticipated. I mean only 20 years ago we were a crime in 14 states (Lawrence V Texas 2003) and back then marriage was a DREAM at best. So yes you are “just” a gay man. That’s what we fought for. Stop trying to make this woe is me life you didn’t live (and definitely don’t in 2023 America) a personality. Nobody rioted at Stonewall for that. And at least let the girls speak if you’re going to invite them to do so.
yep... i was like? where do you live bro? the Middle East?
@@SSJ2DNNo shh, I even began my comment with a direct quote and addressed that very point lmao 😂 How do random people walking down a street (something he isn’t doing in Cali and completely hypothetical) know he’s gay? They don’t. Keep walking. That can only come from severe insecurity or narcissism. Pretending anyone is bothering you or somehow knows or cares you’re gay for him is clearly the latter.
@@SSJ2DNalso, “all religious people are stupid” this you? seems pretty judgmental…. 🤦🏿♂️
When they were saying that disclosing being trans is a bigger thing than disclosing if you want children, well that is the exact reason it needs to be disclosed. It's not just a big deal for them but for the other person aswel because dating a transperson is not the exact same as dating a cis person.
Brian put down the purple hair lady for making the comparison but it was the trans lady who first made the comparison by asking would you disclose if you wanted to have children.
My opinion is that a trans person should disclose before a date or if they feel like they would just like to get to know a person a bit without discrimination maybe go on a first date and if it goes well and you want to see them again let them know over the phone or txt before the second date. I think that's fair.
it's only fair and right to let a man know before anything sexual happens. Not everyone has the same acceptance or mentality around these things, whether it be their beliefs, values or religion or biases and everyone has a right to choose for themselves. Trans people are fortunate they get to transition to medically and surgically to look like a biological female, but the fact is they are still biologically male and some people might not be into that. This is the same for a transman who is attracted to the same biological sex, they should let a woman know they are a biological female. I feel the same about all sexual encounters if someone has something to disclose that could potentially harm someone else, physically or mentally and emotionally.
I remember here in the UK a woman actually got charged with sexual assault for deceiving another woman that they were a man. Granted if you have changed your sex by law that probably won't apply but the mental and emotional impact on a person could be the same. I'm all for trans rights so long as they don't infringe on anyone else's rights.
I am 61 and I still think you never know what might happen. Homophobia still exists. Things are better than they were but there is still violence.
The intersex argument is ridiculous. ALL DSD variations are deemed male or female based on gamete production. There's not one of the 14 variations that deviate from this spectrum.
This literally showed how cisgendered women can be the problem when it comes to mass gaslighting and general lies coming from this movement. Trans women are trans women. It’s 2023 you can let your date know you are trans before even linking up. Just like you would disclose you’re a single parent, are disabled, don’t live in the area, etc.All things that would greatly determine someone’s interest in you and that’s Ok. The caping and pandering that biological women are willing to perform is SCARY. This biological man said he peeks under the tent of women (creepy) but still wants to be considered a real woman and no one batted an eye. If trans is such an unchangeable identity why do you need money and medicalization in order to validate your identity. Last I checked every other identity we have that is immutable is FREE. My womanhood is free. My sexuality is free. My ethnicity is free. You can’t buy real.
As a sexually disabled person I think it is a WILD statement to demand I be upfront about it on a first date. Just, whoa! I don't know if I even want to kiss this man, but I have to tell him my vagina is our of commission??? Rediculous! If we hit it off after we get to know each other better and sex is organically brought up as a discussion, that's when it's appropriate to discuss these things. Disabilities are deeply personal, especially sex related ones. When the time is right it will be discussed and that time for sexual conversation is never the first date, unless the person is some kind of pervert.
@@azuropixie5703by why would you want to waste their time and yours. You would know exactly how he feels about it and could make a decision. But imagine you invested 2 months of talking and going on dates for them to say it’s a deal breaker. You could’ve been 2 months in another relationship. Time is valuable why waste it on someone or something that’s not for you.
So in your opinion women should only be allowed to speak when they agree with your views, or only allowed their gender when they perform womanhood in a patriarchal standard way. But any with a different opinion should be silent.
All this not about truth or reality but just disgust of the false idea that trans women are "men who reject their god given maleness and upset the natural patriarchal order of believing all humans must be a binary sex or be punished.
the difference of both the comment section and the answers in the video, between the trans women cis women and the trans men cis men videos is EXTREME, to say the least. And I'm not really surprised
Even with men in general cis or trans there are always problems,the other day I was watching a video on how people (men) casual joke about other men getting sexually assaulted,if assaulted by a man they're 'gay' if they are assaulted by a woman their expected to enjoy it,also men only being allowed to cry in certain situations or they are mocked it was interesting
@@oreochocolate_lavacake9960 not really what I'm talking about though
Please name a transgender person and/or provide the stats for transgender people who were killed or assaulted when they told a person they were trans before a date or on a dating app. I dont believe this happens.
The transgender people who do get assaulted or killed either are in engaged in sexual intimacy and the person finds out they are trans; or the transgender person is engaging in sex work like prostitution. The other instances I know of are through partner domestic violence.
However, I know of no one who was killed when they told a potential date on a dating app or before the first date happened that they were transgender. They just get rejected and the first date doesn't happen.
I believe what they fear the most is rejection and not violence.
They can’t. Nor can the “host” of this circus. He gaslit the trans women who aren’t afraid with some “but you’re at risk!!” But couldn’t take 3 min to actually look into it. He doesn’t actually care about this topic if we can even call it that. Sucks because the trans people I know are level headed like Natalia so he’s just making them look ridiculous for no reason.
Believe it or not,it does and has happened.
At least 2 of my transfeminine friends have been horribly assaulted for simply being who they are after disclosing on their first dates. One was even SA by one guy and told: "you wanna be a woman? I'll make a woman out of you, you f****y f*****g t****y". This was here in the UK. Just because you haven't heard of such things happening, that doesn't mean that it doesn't.
@@tiaslays255but not anywhere near to the extent they claim for them to all use that as an excuse to not disclose. Not disclosing is far more dangerous. But they twist and bend the truth and exaggerate things just like the “trans genocide” that literally doesn’t exist. The 30 or so trans people unalived in a given year were mostly unrelated to them even being trans and some were unalived by other trans people… where’s the “genocide”?
Sadly this happens a lot. Most commonly guys will kill trans women after their friends find out she’s trans. He will say he had no idea and end her life to reclaim his masculinity and social standing, but privately he may even be someone who exclusively pursues trans women.
I completely agree with the blonde woman when it comes to dating. Especially if it's a first date you shouldn't have to reveal such personal things especially if you have fully transitioned. I'm really not a fan of this question because there's so much gray area that you can't have a definitive yes or no. I think because hookup culture is so popular people think that the first date automatically means sexual attraction or sex in general. You might not be sexually attracted to someone on the first date and then gain the attraction later It should not be the standard to hook up on the first date. I think that people have the notion that you are somehow leading on your partner by not telling them you're trans and that really twisted. There is an expectation to share about your whole life on the first date (ex. The trauma you faced or all of your world views) so why should it come down to someone's transness
Why are we erasing women who don't choose to not have kids? The moderator doesn't even know about this big up yo purple hair and blue jean for being grounded in reality.
If by "cisgender women" you mean women, then no, they don't don't think alike. Not even close.
Maybe you just live in a bubble
@@romanzaporozhets4237 _"Maybe you just live in a bubble"_
Irrelevant. Men don't think like women. This is objectively testable. Even autogynophiles and male "gender dysphorics" still think differently to women.
Natalia and Grace were absolute gems for their honesty but also their radiant personalities. “The ultimate beat down” lol! Natalia is too funny but she made an excellent point. But then Brian disregarded their viewpoint to insist that they need to adopt his victim mentality. Why bring up being disowned and “spending a lot of money” on their transition because they didn’t parrot your talking points? Is that even their story or your assumptions. Yikes smh.
victim mentality ? yikes, look who's talking. You sound problematic already.
This definitely felt like an attempt to silence. It’s super upsetting to see this coming from Brian.
@@Lucario9dAgreed. I mean not even 3 min in, the biological female conflated intersex as a way to discredit Grace and Natalia and then he followed all snide asking if Grace changed her opinion.. I do love that Natalia stuck up for her. That’s the only “transphobia” I saw.
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It's called debate
The fact that "Cis" is in the title let me know the leanings of this debate.
The fact that cisexist want to cisxplain the world in their comment is as boring as thrir ignorence of their own selves. 🤡
How?
@@tiaslays255Anyone using that language is onboard with whole trans ideology and possibly and trans activist.
You prefer non-trans? Like as if trans is the default and your identifier is in relation to trans people? Do you prefer "non left handed" and "not brown eyed" too? I mean you identify you, but kind of strange hill to plant your flag if you think latin root word for not-trans is like biased towards someone.
@@Susanmugen Man and Woman, simple as that. We're not the ones trying to be the opposite sex.
I cannot deal with the 'Cis' term.....
I am female.
I am a woman.
I was born a girl.
I can have a period.
Period
So why are you telling us ? 😂
@@AanyapererBecause alot of these men don't get it.
@@downsuncovery2590 Exactly
@Aanyaperer Its a comment section 🤷🏾♀️👍
So trans women don't exist? Biological gender is pretty different from gender identify. If you say that there aren't such things as "cis" and "trans" you're just saying that trans people don't exist, just as gender dysphoria. So how would a biological male with gender dysphoria should survive? What you know and what researched about this?
It’s not the same as saying if you’re Bi or not. If you’re a bi male on a date with a straight female, if you guys get along and live happily ever after, it will only ever matter if you cheat, live a lgbtq+ dominated lifestyle, or are having sex with multiple people as a couple. That’s something that could be left for saying after you’re a real couple. Same for women saying they hooked up with women before or gay men on a date and one is bi and willing to date women. Good info for later. Doesn’t change the future of who that whole person is. Not saying you don’t want kids or CANT is important just like saying you’re trans. With everything you gotta feel it out. But if you’re born male or female I feel should be the common knowledge amongst the two people on a date
What is a cis? I am simply a female, a woman, l used to be a girl but I grew up.
It jus means u identify what u were assigned at birth.. that’s all..
@@zikami2759 I was never assigned -> CIS
I have my BS in Chemistry and, as a "cis" woman, the cis/trans thing never bothered me because there are molecules described this way. In cis-molecules, the functional group is on the same side of a double bond while in trans-molecules, they are on opposite sides of the double bond. It was never meant to be offensive, it simply described a physical difference.
@@thundercaaat I'm not a cis. I'm an xx chromosome carrier
@@mimIsra1 so you’re cis
14:08 what does it mean, it becomes political?
I know it's been a month but for example, a straight conservative man dating a leftist bisexual woman. He might not want to allow trans people to transition, or for same-sex couples to marry--yet he'll be okay with having a bisexual girlfriend, that is, until he finds out she's okay with same-sex marriage & trans people.
I am not a CIS anything. Stop changing our names bc you want to change urs. I am a woman
This comment gives me the vibes of the videos asking people what would they do if their kids were homo sapiens
They use that term because they are trying to make people believe that CIS and Trans women = women. Of course that's nonsense. They also want to make you believe that gender is a social construct instead of a biological fact. A female born human is a woman. That's the reason why most heterosexual guys won't date a transwoman. It's easy as it is.
There is no danger of being called a cis woman, but there is a life threatening situation in the world for trans women that reqlly exist. As well we talk about gender and sex which are different things, so considering CIS an offensive term doesn't make any sense as trans women are literally the population that is discriminated and killed the most
ur too late cis, it's already in the dictionary and common knowledge
@@vivianaramos2457 Calling a real woman "Cis" won't change the fact that a transwoman is not a woman.
18:23 again miss grace, gender is not a choice :/ she doesn’t have to change her mind but it would’ve been nice to atleast see her understand the perspectives around her
what is the difference between a man who believes he is a woman and a man who believes he is Napoleon?
Napoleon is not a gender. Everyone has a gender and identify as one: basically man or woman.
There has been at least one case where a man believing he was napoleon was right.
Sex is real! Sex is binary! Sex is what matters. This whole movement is so annoying!
Meanwhile sex:
XX
XY
XXX
XXY
XXXX
XXXY
XXXXX
XXXXY
X
Intersex.
@@KindlyKalenYou've listed a bunch of disorders as though it proves anything other than accidents happen all the time in nature. Google Klinefelter's syndrome for a clear example of the medical problems caused by disorders of sexual development.
In before they start crying bUt Ma NuAnCe 😭😂 tbh though it’s the comment kids more than a lot of trans people like Natalia who kept it real.
Damn you're gonna be annoyed for a long time then because trans ppl aren't going anywhere.
@@mother55 No one cares. People just don’t want to be coerced. Enough just of the victimhood 🙄
Yes, make everything clear on that first date. If you don’t wanna have children, or everything else. No sense in wasting time. The person will feel like you duped them if you are not honest.
Depends on context of the situation
Don't be ridiculous, that is a really creepy way of thinking, women are not just incubators for men.
Misogynist to assume all women think the same. Transphobic to assume all trans people think the same. The trans women in this video have more respect for the actual women than the content creator who is pretending this is a credible discourse. Smh.
Facts
I'm all ears for how to improve these conversations, let me know what I can do better next time. Thank you.
Be so fr right now
“The trans women have more respect for the actual women” Yikes.
@@Jade_Hues I'm honestly saying, I read this and I was so confused but then I realized it was just rooted in transphobia
3 things:
- Why is nobody talking about Tierra? She is so precious, open, and aware! I just wish I could be her friend
The fact that y'all act like this should be a question is the most pathetic part.
That’s all I’m saying 🤷🏾♀️ This generation thinks screaming “ma nuance, ma nuance.” Over and over makes it any less foolish 😂😂😂
Who is ya'll? trans folk are not a monolith just as non trans folk aren't.
Thank you. This is fuckin insulting to real women.
This whole thing was like nails on a chalkboard.
The moderator weighing in 😂 I don’t understand why he is interjection! No context 😂
They should always disclose being trans tbh before the date. I think maybe in the first text message after exchanging numbers before meeting in a first date.
My stance is they don't need to on the 1st date bc you are someone they're just meeting and there are safety issues with revealing you're trans to people. Like there are some trans people who have been murdered for saying they were trans. So if they don't feel comfortable I definitely don't think they should for their safety. But if you start to connect more at like the 2nd or erd date and things are progressing then they should for the comfortability of the other person.
@@MarsArchelius i disagree for both parties. I think that the trans person should never go on a date or even meeting someone again after their initial encounter without disclosing they are trans. I think that the random normal person they met deserves to be told the truth asap. It can save both parties time and emotional involvement. Doesn’t the trans person want someone who will like them whether they are trans or not?
@@akaJAMILA well yes but it won't matter if the person likes them or not if they murder them before they get to know them. There was a case of a trans woman who told the guy she was gonna go on a date with that she was trans and he acted accepting and stuff and told her he didn't care so when she showed up he murdered her. I feel like 2nd date is the best time bc you'll pretty much know if you feel comfortable with them or not by that time. And maybe some feelings will get hurt but that is better than getting murdered.
@@MarsArchelius so i have done so much homework on this stuff and i havent found a story where someone was murdered with text message proof that the person was told prior to the date. I only found real stories where a person 2 or 3 dates in finds out that they have wasted time and money on someone they weren’t into. In the majority of trans murders the reason was because the trans person was a street worker.
@@akaJAMILA Nikki Kahnhausen was a 17 yr old trans girl who went missing after leaving her friend's apartment to meet somebody she had been messaging on Snapchat her skull was found 6 months later and the guy who killed her and her case made the law "Nikki's Law" which made it to where people couldn't use panic defense in cases involving lgbt victims.
As a woman I don’t like the term CIS, this is a recent label …
it just means you're not transgender. it's a neutral descriptor.
@@Skyshadowedno need. We aren’t doing cis-schizophrenic are we? Your diagnosis isn’t special
It's really not if it's been used in scientific discussions for decades...
@skyshadowed The word woman or man means one is not transgender. No cis needed. Stop adding trans agenda to our lives.
No doubt he same kind of person who hates being referred to as a homosapien.. There is never any need in everyday real life to refer to any woman as cis, or trans, only in medical or other very specific circumstances is that language ever used or needed.
Seems like all the outrage is more about non trans peoples insecurity about social change and their feelings than the other way around.
If you don't want to tell them right away, you're hiding. It's common sense. You're not going to change someone's mind
after 5 dates.
You can't compare women not telling men that don't want to have children to trans women not telling men that they're men.
A true trans girl/women is not 'a man' though, there is nothing manly about them, do you even know what a man is?
If they are a man why would hetero and bi men find them beautiful enough to approach for a date, yet gay men wouldn't be interested at all?