Trans Women Should Be LEGALLY Treated as Women | UC Berkeley
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Discussion abounds regarding the definition of “woman,” often focused on social and emotional factors of womanhood. This claim at the University of California Berkeley raises the stakes: "Trans women should be legally treated as women."
One woman, a molecular geneticist, strongly disagrees with the claim, while another woman, an aspiring molecular geneticist, agrees. The third participant, a man, initially stands on the “disagree” line but recalibrates his confidence toward the end of the conversation.
Participants discuss how gender identity should be handled in hospitals, prisons, and legal identification documents (like driver’s licenses). The safety of biological women is a major point of consideration.
This conversation was filmed at UC Berkeley on April 19, 2022.
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0:35 Disagree w/claim
3:00 Agree w/claim
5:58 Strongly disagree w/claim
8:40 What about biological women who identify as men?
9:43 Participants discuss what it would take for them to move one line over
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seen this clip shared in different youtube video. new sub!!!!!!
@@halcyon3116 a man without a woman is like a fish without a 👀 🆘 💥 danger …
@@ZooScott 🤔
Critical thinking without trying to lead people to one side or the other. This "radical" idea could save the nation. I subscribed for this reason.
Look if you claim to be a women, or chick, and you got a member between your legs. Then those people that go around saying "Trans Women are Women" are 100% WRONG, because trans women with a member between their legs are just NOT women, period. Especially when it comes to health care. Treating a person in a hospital as a woman, but they are a biological man is foolish.
I’m a woman and had to use a women’s public restroom recently, when I was done and opened the stall door, a very large man with facial hair, in a dress was standing directly outside of the stall. As a survivor of SA when he stepped towards me, I began having a panic attack. Women deserve their own spaces.
Aww, sorry that happened to you love💕
That is ridiculous this can actually happen in this world.
I am so sorry. I completely agree.
No their not women
Don't vote democrat.
It’s infuriating to be reduced from actual women to a feeling.
even worse that that feeling is the stereotypical sexist idea of what a woman is. Nagging, opinionated, anxious, crying. self-important...
@@booperdee2
Can I add to that…pouting, mini skirt, fishnets, lipstick, caked makeup, high heels, limp wrist etc etc
Also, the highly exaggerated valley girl accent 🙄.
@@sourceCharlie777 Yeah, it's incredible you never see "trans women" with a personality that presents like a gender-neutral dressing woman. Amazing, all their personalities just so happen to align with a hyper-feminine stereotype! Almost like a man's idea of what a woman is! Hmm...
In South East Asia it's a money making thing for men with a certain sexual orientation, in the age of the Tik Tok and OnlyFans I'm wondering if this is the same thing.
My schizophrenic sister often believes she is the rightful queen of England. Should we all be forced to enable her “identity.”
Yes BY LAW so that she feels comfortable and EVERYBODY BETTER PAY HER TAXES TOO🤦🏿♂️
The molecular geneticist is truly courageous and I love her for it
She's also the clearest thinker in the room👍
@@gulliblestravels71Exactly
God bless her.
“We are putting men’s feelings above women’s safety!!”
So very true!
The 3rd wave of Feminists want to pick and choose, now its backfiring.. They have ruined the West with SJW and 3rd wave Feminism. Let them have a taste of their own medicine. #SupportTransWoman #TransWomanAreRealWoman #MaleAndFemaleBothShouldBeRespected
I get the point but feminism and women are the main supporters of this garbage.
What a bout trans men in men's prison.Why no talk about transmen who are biological female. won't they get raped.One 100 it is about demonizing transwonen.That woman identifying as men can be raped gangraped?
Yes always men are put before women even in cases where women give up their jobs or work less to satisfy their men.🙄
@@1Psalmaday Liberal feminism*. The very basis of feminism is full of women agreeing with the woman on the "strongly disagree" side, it's just that we're vocals abt it in our own community because if we dare say it outside, we get harassed, doxxed, or even beat up sometimes.
The problem with young woman with glasses is she’s so consumed with how other people feel or might feel towards her for admitting reality.
She is the prime example of how delusional our society is. Feelings over facts smh
Also, more than a little telling that you have on one side, an experienced scientist in this field going directly to legal and scientific realities; and on the other someone aspiring to the same field who can pretty much only cite her feelings.
4 months too late but... No one likes to be considered a bad person. the trick played is, trans women are women and if you don' think so, you're a bad person. It's a wicked trick
Absolutely, she even says it at the end, she worries about what people will think of her. "If I agree with reality the craziest will beat me up now!" -can't blame her if that's what she's thinking now.
Her arguments were so weak it’s painful to watch
Right! I have no vindication for her decision but she's too open minded if she thinks "being your true self" allows potential harm to others.
1. A guy who seems a bit soft on this but still logical
2. A little girl living in a fantasy bubble
3. A scientist who's so done with this bullcrap.
You can literally see the girl who agrees battling the voice of reason in her head and trying to ignore it… if her life depended on being right and not just her reputation, it’s obvious she would change her mind!
Yep! It's a good example of not really forming your own beliefs and opinions, but allowing others to do it for you. Her opinions weren't hers, they seem to be what she believes others would think are good opinions.
It's obvious that her main speaking issue was nervousness. It's obvious she's a gentle, thoughtful person, and the ones who thought different were bringing up rape, fear, and strong things like that. She was trying to deal with all that.
That's what I noticed. The ones who disagreed had more logic and facts while the girl who agreed had trouble even forming coherent sentences at time. She didn't even know what she wanted. And to her point on trans men being in men's prison is that we gave seen what happens even to gay men where it's an issue that is constantly brought up where gay men are beaten brutally and raped repeatedly by male prisoners so just imagine a biological woman who identifies as a man being in an enviorment like that.
The young woman who was standing on the “agree” line was basing her opinion on her feelings and her need to not offend. That’s what the younger generations has been taught. That offending others is tantamount to “causing harm” or “violence” to those who are offended. They’re convinced that hurting someone’s feelings is the same as physically assaulting them. It prevents good people from applying reason to arguments. Everything they say runs through the “don’t offend” filter rather than the “is this true” filter.
"Women have internalised misogynism to such an extent that a man's comfort takes precedence over a woman's safety". The molecular geneticist absolutely nails it.
Yes!!
lol.. people that are born and groomed into thinking they can do anything, are better than men, have the highest standard of living of any sex EVER..still whine about oppression
She was spot on!
Thats one of my favorites lines
Chapelle once said a similar idea..is brilliant
being a woman is not a feeling or a hormone injection or a pro-noun. it is biological. i can feel the anxiety from the geneticist because this subject is infuriating. why should 50% of the population give away our rights, safety, spaces and language to appease a handful of men in dresses
highly agree and well said - our basic human rights like single sex safe spaces should not be given away without our consent, regardless of whether a minority decide to give it away on our behalf
this whole topic has just totally wiped out my sense of belonging as a woman, considering how far our suffrage movement came and how backwards/misogynistic our society is once again becoming
Exactly babe. Trans women are minorities and literally don’t even make up to 1% of world population. Women however makes up half of the entire numbers. Also trans is not much of a thing outside US. So why do we, literally billions of non american women have to comply with things that are the last of our country concern.
That's one of the best comments on this topic I've ever seen. Thank you!
I couldn't have said it better myself. Your statement is 100% correct.
Not true everyone's being forced to obey the pronoun bullshit yet a mans a man allways will be cut off a dic you still are a man just made yourself harm your own body and will have destroyed your life.
I can't believe in this day and age we have to discuss this issue.
This is scary 😢😳🙆♀️
“I haven’t thought about this” pretty much explains how we find ourselves in this situation.
I don’t wanna be mean, but when she started talking I rolled my eyes so hard. She seems naive and clueless, she doesn’t really know what she’s saying other than “people’s feelings” but she knows she has that opinion firmly embedded and she shouldn’t change it.
@@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis the scary thing is, she is just going with the flow of manipulation of this ideology. She has no clue what she is doing, zero critical thinking. She just "thinks" it's political correct to agree with this madness
The young lady is a perfect example of a failed system that has completely lobotomized students over the last 20-25 years.
If you notice, she starts most of her arguments and comments with “I feel that…”
This has been beaten into her for so long that she doesn’t even realize she’s doing it.
Also, not offending someone is SO important to these people that it is impossible for them to see rational thought when it’s right in front of them.
I feel bad for the young kids sometimes.
They live in a powder keg world where they are so afraid to say the wrong thing. They’ll lose any reputation that the mob allows them to have.
Instant gratification over and over has also put their brain in a state of chemical imbalance. Similar to any drug addict/alcoholic and their endorphin levels.
Her "arguments" and "rebuttals" were weak to the point of non-existent, and often strawman arguments. Women's safety is one of the biggest reasons that this is being fought against - locking male-bodied people up in women's prisons is nothing like the same as a random chance attack on the street, the women have NO chance to get away. Transmen - why would they want to be housed in a male prison? It would be immensely dangerous for them!
And failing to understand that what is on your legal documents could result in you being placed in the inappropriate detention centre/medical facility just shows an immense lack of logical process.
She completely glossed over the pregnancy in prison issue.
@@thumbwitch4607 It’s not just able bodied men - many of these trans identified males are violent $ex offenders. I think 52% of them are, which is much, much higher than the general population of male prisoners. Some are in prison for killing women too. Being locked up in a cage with a convicted killer and/or r@pist is not like walking on the street with other men near by. And ANY man can request to be rehoused in womens prisons, regardless of the lack of any documentation of being trans or the lack of any medical transition. And they are usually approved too.
Excellent point!
Kudos to the molecular biologist (edit: geneticist) woman for bravely speaking up for basic common sense. I feel her anxiety and anger that this is something we have to speak up about as women in 2022.
The internalized misogyny was a bit of ideology. I agree with her stance, not the ideological concepts of how she chose to bolster her argument.
@@gabrieltorres2882 that argument can be very persuasive for those who are afraid of going too much against the cultural grain. one step at a time.
@@benDaku13 I don't think using double speak is good in any scenario but maybe Peter can make another debate on that topic.
ngl she was kinda triggered and cringe
She expressed herself somewhat awkwardly, but I found her indigence carried an eloquence of its own.
This young woman is fighting reality ! It’s ridiculous !
"Because I'm a molecular geneticist." BASED woman. ❤
Not sure what you mean by that. Based on what, at what?😊
That Lady destroyed the Game Table with one sentence: Reducing the Female experience to a Feeling. "I am not a feeling." Brava, Diva!
at this point they have reduced the experience of being a woman to a costume...
@@gscamm I call it donning womanface.
She is so incredibly wrong. She is a feeling. She feels like she is a woman. Other humans feel like a woman as well. That is the whole point, her biological sex is female, but her gender is how she feels. It is not belittling women by wanting to be one, it is in fact the entire opposite.
Yes, that was the most powerful sentence spoken during that entire surreal discussion. What is happening is a complete negation of biological women.
@@urbanangst7630 There is no such thing as a biological woman. You are thinking of female
I'm actually stunned by the fact that nobody asks the one true question! Why should we care about the subjective feelings of one's sense of identity but not about the objective well established biological characteristics?
yes, please, let's start debating the existence of trans at all. I used to identify as such, but it isn't real.
💯
The 'lady feelings' of biological men should absolutely NOT be considered more important than the physical safety and right to privacy of women and girls. This is such a no-brainer.
@@jkscout I'm not saying they don't exist or they're lying. My issue is that why should it be a matter of legal and political debate? Being trans is all about feelings after all. To follow the rules presented here by Dr. Boghossian, I would change my mind if there's solid evidence of biological, hardwired origins of being trans, but there isn't any, not yet.
@@heatheromeara5115 Agreed. I mean what's the next step? Suing people because they hurt our feelings? It's ridiculous.
I can’t believe this girl in the mask will be a future medical professional one day
The young lady is brainwashed. She had the right professors for her brainwashing.
If a male wishes to identify as a woman and go to a woman's prison, I completely agree with letting him go as long as he signs paperwork allowing the government to medically castrate him for the duration of his sentence.
There we go, the perfect solution lol
Yup. They LL never let that happen though.
If you commit a crime - your freedom to live however you choose comes to an end. Period. The idea that men should be welcomed into women's prisons and spaces based on self-ID or state falsified legal status is beyond unacceptable - it's absurd.
Okay, I see the framing now. I was looking in comments to see why they phrased it as a legal question. Will watch when I get back from work.
Of course, there have been conviced rapists who went M-to-F to get into female prisons, and have impregnated female inmates. Not the average, for sure, but reason enough not to allow it.
@@FungusMossGnosis The M2F inmates are actually at much higher rates of sexual convictions than the average man. These pathologies have a propensity to overlap. So they're actually taking one of the highest risk of assaulting women populations and placing them in there with women.
I work in a California prison and it’s even worse than you think. The courts, “mental health professionals” and prison administration has created a system for this to occur. It’s no mystery as to why male inmates want access to female inmates. Prison admin is allowing this even for inmates who have not been altered. Furthermore, at my prison we have a bottom altered trans-woman inmate who is still living in our male institution. I could say more but my job could be jeopardized. Female inmates should be made very rich from being victimized by this practice.
@@dtmmclees The question of "altering" the body is irrelevant. A male is a male whether he has his bits cut off or not. He still has the ability to harm women in a way that women cannot do to other women.
He can still sexually assault a woman. He can physically harm a woman. He can mentally traumatise a woman by his mere *male* body and physique which is STILL male even if he's had his bits off and had other bits added.
Its irrelevant a reason.
Male at conception, observed in utero, by dna blood test, at birth - male till end of his days.
Lol that argument could literally apply to females too, when you commit a crime, your freedom to live however you choose comes to an end, so whether there are trans women with you or not doesn't matter. It's just a poor argument.
Loved how the young lady was talking about empathy yet showing none for the raped women that the geneticist was referring to. Strange times🤔
Right?!
empathy is a buzzword these days.
having been thrown around as a signal, and made the exclusive domain of activists, it has lost it's meaning.
Sh3 is Pandering to men or conformity of what is currently trending, does not want to be thought bigoted or unkind, but is disrespecting women. If she got attacked in the past or future, I think she might finally get it. Why should girls, women, elders be at risk? I never gave it much thought until I saw a man in my public bathroom in nyc. He was screaming and laying on the bathroom counter, not using the bathroom, claiming to be trans. I had to stay to use the facilities but he was threatening with how loud and agitated he was. I thought he had mental illness, could be a dangerous criminal . I see little girls, elderly women, small women, all vulnerable trying to use the facility and allow this cretin to be there! Honestly I’ve seen trans women use bathrooms and leave, and I don’t think real trans women are necessarily any danger but a lot of them cannot or don’t transition and they really need to be discreet and not show male parts- women view this as an assault. I think criminals are using this as a loophole and it’s unacceptable. I agree there should be a trans category for sports, prisons and bathrooms, and in medicine that should be spelled out. Let’s not step on women and girls anymore.
Also she compares a Campus to a Jail Cell. If she ever ends up in a jail cell she’d be terrified.
It shows how people don't know what is happening in the world. It's clear she has empathy for the wrong reasons
Has she actually studied science/biology in School? Yet she’s an ‘aspiring geneticist’… my heart sinks.
She was referring to the Geneva convention:
Article 25, fourth paragraph, and Article 29, second paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention III provide that in any camps in which men and women prisoners are accommodated together, separate dormitories and conveniences shall be provided for women.
Convention (III) relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, Geneva, 12 August 1949, Article 25, fourth para., and Article 29, second para.
Right. There is no and will never be a category that trans-women and women will mean the same things.
Thank GOD for the molecular geneticist. We need more people like her.
"I'm a molecular geneticist". The silent BOOM was deafening. Video could have ended there but it's important for it to continue. :D
The woman on the disagree side made the claim the reason why transgender women are put in women prison is because women accepted misagony 8:16min. Also 8:30min "Women don't beat each other to death (in prison) but men do". I bet many here would consider these statements as "radical feminist" statements...but because she is on your side on this topic you don't call her out.
@@takeyourtime3328 The geneticist did not say what you imply at 8:16. As for her statement at 8:30 ... well, it IS true. Why is wanting to keep biological women from being raped by biological men, in a female prison, considered radical feminism?
God? God has nothing to do with science or people who studied hard. Sorry. Fail.
@@paulkeenan4309 Yes she did.
8:30min She is tried make an argument based on a factualy incorrect claim. These kind of claims are normally made by a radical feminist on twitter. This is like saying: Men rap.... women don't" Women get rap... by women in prisons, Women get killed by women in prison....Yes, there is a difference in numbers but that doesn't make the claim correct.
Also consider this: Transgender women PRE-puberty and surgery don't have any physical advantages compared to biological women..she missed the nuance and peter failed to challenge her.
I seriously doubt any woman would go into a male prison no matter how they identify.
We never hear of trans men going into mens spaces.
@@user-lc2zf9yp3o Trans have become trendy since Bruce Jenner decided he's a woman.
@No Name Thats what makes it fishy.
Some kind of edict from high up.
Common sense out the window.
@@KVG822 good example of sexism. Ok to be a man, not a woman. Men dont care about women wearing pants. People get pissed when men wear a dress.
Men have an advantage over women,
A woman generally does not have an advantage over a man.
If these are our future molecular geneticists i'm the smartest person alive
Why do we have men here defending us more than our fellow woman? Makes me sick
Because some believe that feelings matter more than others
Because that girl is a NPC
5:20 To hear a biological woman (and what appears to be a very fragile and vulnerable one at that) say that they SUPPORT putting the physical safety of women at risk over the FEELINGS of a biological male is absolutely insane.
Biological woman?? That’s a woman, a non biological woman is a man, so say man. It’s simple.
Someone should ask her if she’d feel the same if she was the cell mate.
@Mary Ann Cavanaugh exactly. I'm always upset when people don't reply with that type of scenario. Pur them in the situation. And this applies to any argument across any issue.
@@MaryAnnCavanaugh-yw1xj lol TRAs/trans rights activists will lie with a straight face...if you asked her that i bet she'd say yes!
She is so openminded that her brain fall off from her head. Fucking, Evil, retard
As a father and a man in a relationship I don't want a "dude in a dress" in my girlfriends or daughters bathroom or locker room at ANY age.
❤❤
I have a five year old daughter and a wife. I also have four little sisters. If some dude was in the bathroom making them uncomfortable, I feel bad for what happens to that guy.
How come “trans men” aren’t making a fuss over going into men’s changing rooms? We never hear about that
@@taraji_bI think because transmen were not born men, therefore they lack a natural predatory mindset of a man.
I wished more man would stand up for what is right. This is madness.
The young woman seems so incapable of rational argument, god help us all.
The fact that there is any rape in jail is horrific, male or female. That being said, thank you Peter for your attention to this childish absurdity
Thanks. I appreciate that.
As a woman who was once followed into the restroom by a creepy man, I understand the palpable fear of the woman who spoke on the right. The man who followed me said with a creepy smirk that he was trans so it was ok. He was dressed as a male and wore black nail polish. I was terrified and began screaming at him to leave. He refused to leave even though he knew I was terrified of him. The security guard looked helpless and ashamed because he was impotent to stop this man from creeping on me in a private space in a public place (the public library). This moment was traumatic for me, this moment where I learned that this creep had more rights than me as a woman. This trans movement is actually undoing all of the decades of work feminism has done to create safety and respect for women. If a man who wears dresses gets a pass to incite fear in women in their private spaces, then what kind of sick society have we created here? I will never forget the twisted smile on his face when I confronted him in that bathroom. I was alone with him, he stood between me and the exit, defiantly. I’m glad my next move was to run out screaming, before he had any time to do whatever he had planned to do next. I wouldn’t wish this on any woman. Please protect women and children. We have been the most vulnerable members of society for the longest time and now we are being gaslit and terrorized, with help from these laws.
That was terrifying and I can imagine that bad people can use this to prey on women.
Imagine a child going into the rest room and this happened too. This is terrifying
I've been seeing this as a male. As soon as new election came around and they were pushing the whole transgender can go into bathrooms even I at 13 could notice that pedophiles would go into a woman's dressing room or a public showering place because pedophiles are real!!! I don't get people that don't put multiple steps into plan. I'm very sorry this happend to you, as a man I can see in this society that we are looked as sickening creatures because of men like that. I hope you recover from this ma'am.
These weirdos do not live by a proper masculine code.
@@berenic90 I am using trans card to explore female restroom 😍😍
The woman that “agrees” has nothing to say. She is just doing is what she was told to do. Has no thoughts of her own. Sad.
Probably agent of the chinese government
@@AllWillBeRevealed957 your probably a racist white supremicist
@@AllWillBeRevealed957 your probably a racist white supremicist
Maybe she is too young and she does not know how this world works yet?
Literally a NPC
This was awesome to see. I may disagree with the young lady on the Agree line but it was pretty spectacular to see her thinking process. It was also really awesome to see the movement from disagree to strongly disagree. Regardless of the proposition behind each question... So whatever the question may be, I find it very helpful and fruitful and just fascinating to watch the process of thinking and reasoning and movement taking place. Peter I would listen to these all day and find them helpful for my own arguments and any rebuttal process that might take place in my own life. Great stuff!
All human beings deserve dignity, even men. I was at the pool with my son and there were 3 change rooms available; mens, womens, and family. We were in the men’s room and I looked down to see the most beautifully manicured foot I’d ever seen in a men’s room; well here in front of me was a woman who came across as ambiguous at best. So I’m now in a position where I have to expose my genitals to a member of the opposite sex because the 3rd option with stalls was unacceptable to her.
Though my physical safety wasn’t threatened I still felt uncomfortable.
Exactly women in here don’t get that it’s sexist to have one banned but not the other
Oh yes, we are not a FEELING. We are women. That was so good!
Mounds got deep dark chocolate, chewy coconut ooh
Superficially changing your body does not make you become anything new. It is the same with older women getting esthetic surgery. They might *want* to be younger, but no amount of superficial changes and face lifts is going to change the fact that they are still old ladies.
And then she went on to imply that this sentence was moot because it apparently doesn't matter to her if women that believe they are men are put in male prisons. I guess in that case a feeling is good enough!
Trans Woman, Yes
@@dearfinesoul huh
This is really hard to write, and I don't know who needs to hear it, but here we go: I was raped when I was a teenager in a place that was supposed to be women-only. I thought I was safe there, but I was not. I'm in my 30s now and have worked hard to get my life back, but last year at my gym, a trans woman who had not undergone surgery changed right in front of me in the locker room, and I completely froze up. I started shaking, and all she said was "it's okay girl, don't hate." I couldn't even respond I was so frozen. I wish I could have made her understand, but I'm sure she dismissed me as some kind of bigot. Ugh I'm shaking as I write this. I left the gym and didn't say anything, but how is this okay? If you do think it is okay, ask yourself why you feel that the feelings of transgender women should be given precedent over biological women who have gone through real trauma with biological men coming into their spaces?
So sorry that happened to you!
Really sorry you had to go through that sister...
Unfortunately males feelings take precedence over womens safety. It's not right, but this new brand of activism make it so. Dare we offend the minority for stating otherwise. I'm certain some will comment that everywhere should be unisex or some BS. Your sexual safety and relived trauma, should come before someone's feelings and supposed trauma.
stop calling TIMs/trans identifying males by female pronouns 😣
Of course you froze! That was a normal response to trauma and the abnormal situation that gym put you in. That gym put you in an extremely dangerous situation. I am a SA survivor too. I was only 13. The first time I was "cornered" by a man after the event I froze like you, then ran like like heck!! I have been truly set free from the trauma, no fear/no pain, BUT I just went to a tea room last week and they had a "all gender" restroom!! I was definitely scared to be behind closed doors where men could just walk in and share the space with me. The insanity in society right now is mind-blowing!! How many girls and women have to suffer before they stop this dangerous & destructive behavior of putting men in women's spaces. Don't ever apologize for recognizing the absurdity and danger of having a man in your locker room/restroom/etc. I pray you will have full healing and release from the sin committed against you
Kudos to whichever school/college gave space for this presentation 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Gender studies sounds like such a waste of time/money.
It is.
Strongly disagree. Men who want to identify as women should be treated as human but biologically/legally/psychology I won't pretend that they are women. In shelters, rape crises centers, showers, toilettes, dorms, changing rooms, sports, prisons, medical settings there are reasons that separate spaces are provided. Feelings should never be prioritized over safety.
Yes, the legal distinction between sexes must be maintained in order to allow the law to appropriately deal with disproportionate risks.
There transfestites stop bastardizing English language use it properly if they wanna be so special fine we all call out look at that he she and we laugh it away....... There transfestite a man is a man a women a women end of it and enough of this loonacy
If we truly want to be full PC, then we need to just build a third facility for "other" that is the bare minimum. Like the "family" restrooms where its just a normal one toilet one sink bathroom separated from the main ones, just do an "other" category. If they don't want to be with their natural peers, then they can choose for their third option themselves. However, a woman can't get another woman pregnant. The fact that there is even a documented case of a "female" inmate getting *multiple* other inmates pregnant behind bars is a horrid human rights abuse.
@@ShaggyRogers1 Why not have bathrooms based on color and age too because some people dont feel comfortable around different people (it's racist that black people have to share spaces with white people or havent you heard that). Think about all the kids that would be protected by having a bathroom just for kids. Thats 4+ bathrooms now but there should probably be boys and girls for different ages because there are stories about boys raping girls. There should probably be a bathroom for gay people too because many gay men have been raped in bathrooms and locker rooms by other men. This would be needed in every business because its important to be inclusive and to make sure that people feel safe. It shouldnt matter that more space would be dedicated to where people pee compared to shopping. Or maybe everyone needs to suck up their feels and use the bathroom for what its intended, a place to pee, poop, vomit, wash hands and maybe change clothes. If your feels are such a problem then maybe you shouldnt be using public bathrooms. We stopped segregating by color decades ago segregating by sex seems primitive.
Did you know that according to RAINN most rapes are by people the victim knows? And that most rapes occur at home. If people really cared about preventing rape shouldnt they not spend time with people they know (including spouses) at home. Why do you believe that most rapists are going to dress up like the opposite sex just so they can rape a stranger in a public bathroom? And why do you believe that rapists are going to respect a sign on a door? If theyre going to rape someone why would a sign on a door stop them? If a sign on a door isnt going to stop them why would they bother to dress up like the opposite sex (excluding fetishists)? And why do you believe that rapists would try raping someone in a public bathroom when they could be interrupted at any time? Of course rape in public bathrooms will happen but like I said a sign isnt going to stop criminals.
"Officials at Damascus High School in suburban Maryland waited more than 12 hours to tell police about credible allegations that several junior-varsity football players pinned a teammate in a locker room, pulled his pants down and sexually assaulted him with a broomstick, interviews and documents show.
Instead of calling police, they launched their own inquiry and on Nov. 1, plucked students one-by-one from class as they questioned suspects, learned the names of three more victims and took statements from those boys.
Their accused attackers, all 15. Each faces a count of rape and three counts of attempted rape, a crime that in Maryland includes nonconsensual acts that use an object.
Those new accounts say as many as 10 JV players watched through a window into the freshman area of the locker room as the attacks unfolded and victims screamed as their attackers laughed.
As prosecutors have described it, attackers pushed the broom handle several times through one boy’s underwear and into him, two others were pinned and jabbed in their buttocks with the handle, and teammates knocked the fourth victim to the ground and stomped on him as he fought off the broom."
And if trans people should be punished for using the wrong bathroom then shouldnt females who cant wait in line (because its too long) to use the womens bathroom also be punished for trespassing into the mens bathroom. Same for single parents with children of the opposite sex (would you let a man you dont know take your young son into the bathroom, if not why would you let a woman you dont know take your daughter into the bathroom). Same for caregivers of people of the opposite sex (maybe theyre caring for an adult with severe autism). If trans people arent going to be punished (really? You want to spend resources on people using the "wrong" bathroom? Has climate change and all the other world problems been solved? This is really more important than anything else? Youd rather punish people for peeing in the wrong toilet rather than let police investigate rapes and murders? Or are people not going to be punished? If people arent going to be punished then why ban people from bathrooms? As for locker rooms no one says you have to use them. If you want to then there are probably stalls you can hide in until your comfortable to leave if theres a transwoman in there with you -even though transwomen would probably be using the stalls instead because they probably dont want to have to explain about their transness and just might not be comfortable having their dick hanging out-everybody has something about themselves that they dont like but it doesnt mean they remove it and they might not want to deal with the health problems associated with cutting it off).
JW if all men are rapists why would you let them be around each other. Why not have bathrooms, locker rooms and prisons where every boy/man can have space to themselves? And why let them roam around society at all? If all men (including transwomen) arent rapists then whats the problem with transwomen sharing the same space are biofemales?
If all that mattered was the ability to get another person pregnant then biomales who identify as men but are infertile should be put in womens prisons since pregnancy is all that matters. And if it really mattered that much then you would support that womens prisons be staffed by only women and had no male guests because women have been getting pregnant since the first time they were sent to prison. If sex (male/female) is all that matters then transmen should be put in womens prisons since theyre biologically female even though some have penis implants. How would you feel if you learned that Blaire White was repeatedly raped after being sent to a mens prison (hypothetical situation). She would be an obvious target because of her appearance but shes a biomale with a penis. Why should she be put in isolation, next to the very violent criminals, for the entire time shes in prison just because shes a target just because of her appearance (google her if you have doubts)?
@@ShaggyRogers1 It also is happening in school bathrooms. We just don't hear about it because the media deems women's safety not news worthy.
Then they want to call us "CIS-WOMEN". Nah, don't give me an identity because YOU had to create one (a name) for yourself, lol. I'm simply a woman!! The only kind of women there is.
seconded, my identity is not yours to appropriate nor to change and relabel
Exactly. Its kind of sad the delusion we have to put with in society
Same here. Now I’m a Cis Latinx ? Man gthoh 😡😡
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Bravo
How about when the Doctor identifies as female, and a famele patient comes in for female issues and wishes to be treated solely by a female Doctor. Then this guy comes in who happens to be the Doctor, "identifies" as a woman and goes about treating this patient, touching her etc.
First off, in the criminal cod of most countries, this would be co sidered common assault, if that doctor then went as far are touching and looking at the females sexual reproductive areas, that would then escalete to sexual assault.
These line should not become blurred. This would be a crime regardless or how that Doctor "wishes" that he were something or somebody else.
Bless that girls heart and her NEED to be accepted. 🤦♂️
Not
The fact that she works at a medical institution and says that they will receive the medical treatment they identify with not the one they are medically is SCARY.
i work a medical profession and lemme tell you i dread the day they this becomes a thing here. physically, male and female are just built different and the issues that arrise differ. we have enough confusion with patients as is with multiple people with same names of either gender. imagine if the identifiers gets even more muddled than it is is baaad.
also, just one example: ecg/ekg
you gotta take your clothes off. some people dont like having their bodies seen by the opposite gender. we can get sued if we assign a male staff to perform ecgs for female patients. and if it comes to where we dont even know if the males are males or females are females... 💀
@@halo12390 Seriously, so many ways this gets messy and causes problems all because medical facts are being warped to coddle a group of people's feelings about their situation. I don't doubt that gender dysphoria exists and of course I don't think people who have it should be demonized but the way this is being defined and implemented in our society is SO imo, dishonest, emotionally immature and reckless.
What if a biological male who identifies as a woman and ask for birth control pills, what will the doctor say. With prison systems, there was a case in New Jersey female prison where 2 females inmate was impregnated by a transgender. Most biological women who identify as man don't want to be in male prisons, they know they will be violated by biological male prisoners. I could be wrong maybe biological women who identifies as male feel confident being in male prisons.
@No Name never said the two female inmates were violated by transgender inmate in the women prison, yes I read it was consensual. The prison system has flaw's I agree.
Erica Ghelfi, if it starts to happen, then it won't be a thing that lasts long. why? because those people that get the treatment as "how they feel" provided, instead of actual physical treatment they need based off their medical illness/sickness, those people will 100% get a false treatment and certainly die in a matter of time. and i certain that most people don't want to die when going into a hospital. so it may help show the delusional people that there are reasons there are male and female treatments. and therefore it is 100% nessecary to be assigned the PHYSICAL gender and not the "momy, i am a cat" feeling delusion.
“The man’s comfort takes precedence over the woman’s safety”. Perfect summation.
Perfect stupidity, you mean.
Can u explain??
@@sherinthomas3445 Seriously?
@@SSGLGamesVlogs am not that good in english
@@sherinthomas3445 another way to say this: a man’s comfort takes priority over women’s safety.
Sir, ur experiments really open us up to a whole lot of perspectives which is helpful to update upon in the emerging world of sort-of globalised liberal diversified co- existence and the issues that we face today and how the people hv an opinion about the trends of today. Although these myt be hard to swallow for pple who r not as flexible to contradicting thoughts or shud i say ' Conflict of Interests'.
Amazing! A real attempt at debate!
The poor molecular geneticist looks absolutely baffled that she lives in a world where this stuff is going on.
Legally defining stupidity as science is not an option... Of course, UC Berkeley thinks otherwise
Everyone should be baffled.
She looks like she's in the twilight zone.
That little Asian girl is going to be in for a rough semester if she ends up in the molecular geneticist's class.
@@akoilngas1215 I'll pray for her t(Asian lady), o never be in a situation where a bad intended MAN goes into her restroom with her just because he identifies as a woman. I really pray for your safety lady may God be with you and protect you always.
To the young student. Women attending college does not endanger men. Allowing males into women’s spaces does endanger women. Also let’s keep the perverted fetishists out of women’s and children’s spaces. I loved the straight talk of the molecular biologist.
This is exactly what you wanted all this time. For us all to be the same, so enjoy it, no one is coming to save you. This is the woke feminist leftist ideology that "straight talker" has been an active member of finally arriving to eat her. Only now that it is no longer serving to help her obtain power and control over society and has been pushed so far that it is inconveniencing her is she actually saying anything critical about it.
This is a lesson in being careful what you wish for, because you just might open a Pandora's Box that can never be shut.
The left and their feminist majority were happy to weaponize the trans community and many other marginalised communities for years to give their agenda a more virtuous appearance. But now the hounds have slipped the leash and are ready to take their own share of the spoils, suddenly you want the brakes thrown on. Too bad! Time to enjoy the same treatments you were more than happy to dish out on everyone else. You wanted us to all be the same and now we are :)
Feminists, welcome your trans sisters with open arms, this is exactly what you have been fighting for! It's time to celebrate :) If yours wasn't such a privileged position to be in, they wouldn't be so readily forfeiting their male identities to become women.
TERF
@@desertrat814 And?
@@dianevk8762 lul. Got me.
TIM's attending women's college takes away a spot from a woman, idgaf what he looks like
I am impressed with your ability to continue to be objective in your questions and with out bias give both extremes equal value and respect
That Asian girl will flip SO hard on her position if SHE was put into that situation in a jail, in a gym etc
Yup. Ther are either naive or just can't go against liberals
She doesn't understand jail. Being locked up in a prison cell 24 hours a day alone for months or years is different than interaction on a college campus.
There's a difference between these 2 things:
- I could be walking down the street and get attacked
- I am forced by the state into a locked metal box containing a violent predator with enormous physical advantages
Thank you. That is what I've tried telling people. And they still don't care. I can't even imagine being locked in a cage with a man in prison.
Not walking through the park on a bright sunny day and crossing paths with a random man. In a cage. With a man that committed a crime.
Her logic is "since everybody can walk on a public street, everybody should be allowed in your private home".
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@@noli.me.tangeredang she is stupid!
I am in CA. We have a serial killer whose only victims were women who was allowed to move to a female prison. So scary.
Can someone please give me the link or info where to watch the entirety of this event/debate?
This is such a completely insane and inverted topic to even be discussing.
A man can dress like a woman, wear makeup, have feminine hairstyles and even talk in a higher pitch to emulate a female voice. He can have mutilating surgeries that remove his genitals and have implants or plastic surgery to look more female. None of these make him a woman. None of these in reverse can make a woman become a man. It's mind blowing that academics and seemingly rational people pretend the opposite is true. How can they ignore biological reality?
The East Asian girl who aspires to work in genetics but thinks that being a man or a woman is based on self-identification is so deeply, utterly lost. How can she progress in her degree program while being the equivalent of a flat earther!?
I think she should visit and live in Afghanistan...as women
The degree programs these days are teaching these things, and the more you believe it the more you progress sadly.
very depressing. a sign of a society in decline.
shows that even very inteligent person can fall into a religious cult, just need to value feeling over reason
I was thinking this, and wondering if the older lady would chastise her ability to objectively follow the science.....but for countless times it this dialogie she surprised me, and impressed me. What a powerful speak who came out of nowhere.
So proud of the molecular geneticist to say what so many of us women are thinking, but are downright afraid to say it bc of the backlash from the wokies. You're very brave and we can tell you're passionate about real women's rights. Thank you for saying what you said.
Don't forget the fact that as a TERF she had her own part to play in this all happening. This is the woke feminist leftist ideology she has been an active member of finally arriving to eat her. Only now that it is no longer serving to help her obtain power and control over society and has been pushed so far that it is inconveniencing her is she actually saying anything critical about it.
Be careful what you wish more, because you just might open a Pandora's Box that can never be shut.
Feminists, welcome your trans sisters with open arms, this is exactly what you have been fighting for :)
Sorry but if you can’t state common sense or the truth because you’re afraid of toxic woke snowflakes canceling you makes you part of the problem and why things have gotten out of control. It’s hard to stand up for something without a spine and you’ll fall for anything then. Get some courage and a backbone.
@@statusquoreject It's probably more the murder and rape threats, the doxxing, your kids threatened, the being spat at in the street, being reported to your employer, losing your job, losing 'friends', losing income opportunities, being assaulted in public places, and yes, being gaslit, blamed, and called horrible things by horrible, spiteful, unhinged trancels and handmaidens. If you're a bloke, you have no idea about how scary and tenuous your safety and autonomy are in this world that's loved to hate women and blame us for our cuturally enforced sufferings for centuries on end. The women the more vicious transactivists call terfs, are likely to be mothers, many are single mothers, or trans widows - their fear of engaging (or inability to) is often about protecting their kids and families, not just weathering some snidey mean comments on social media.
Cowards, then. So, you don t defend your culture. OK !!! No worries, there are many others that will take the helm of our failed western culture. At least we have the greeks.
The molecular biologist had no idea what she was talking about. She disagreed on the basis of the sexes being different, but the question wasn’t about male and female.
She is insane. That woman wants the safety of women but she doesn't want MEN who are IDENTIFYING AS WOMEN to be separated from PRISON CELLS.
Men in prison rape each other and the system and individuals let that happen. People even celebrate it when they know it's happening to child molesters. In my radical own opinion. No one should be being raped in a federal or state facilities with the tacet approval of prison workers, administration, and the american people
leave it to modern day "progressives" to, over the last few years, highlight the importance of skin color over merit, and to relegate a woman to being nothing more than an emotional impulse that can be overwritten by a man. PROGRESS!
The fact that the molecular geneticist can lose her job from this video is deeply disturbing
You would think it's absurd her job is in jeopardy for speaking basic reality yet sadly today it is.
Apparently you can brainwash anyone who has no direct deep knowledge into a subject to believe and argue the opposite of reality if being Politically Incorrect but acurate means social ostracism.
For example :
Most scientists, and nearly all ''social scientists'' believe or at least profess to believe ''race isn't real, it's is a social construct''.
The only group of scientists who oppose this Politically Correct view is geneticists. Because when you study genetics, it's painfully obvious humanity has different races
Some have gradual soft boundaries ( North Africans / Sub Saharians gradual change ), some have sharp boundaries ( Sub-Saharians / Pygmies ), but they exist, are observable to the eye, and ''under the microscope'' by genetic studies.
Different groups have different genetic diseases, different average heigts even adjusting for nutrition, different capacities for lactose digestion, etc.
It's not a social construct. But most scientists will say it is.
Yes, and replaced by the aspiring molecular geneticist on the agree side.
she cant.
but lets assume your uninformed opinion and assumption is correct and she loses her job. she can sue on the basis of freedom of speech. its all recorded. nowhere did she insult, discriminate, or do anything of that nature. she didnt even say with a single word someone else is wrong. all she did was presenting an argument.
and the fact that 200 ppl agree with your comment is frightening. like those ppl lack critical thinking as much as the younger girl in the video does. sad.
@@user-xo2og8kv1o Sorry, plenty of people are getting cancelled for pointing out the fact that men aren't women.
@@user-xo2og8kv1o You're a liar. I'm in the military. We just did "Transgender training" last week. One of the vignettes (scenarios) that was used was about a female who was assigned to be a roommate with a "transgender woman" who is in fact a biological male and who had not gone through any physical transition and did not intend to. Yes, in the military you can get your "gender marker" changed in DEERS without undergoing any hormonal or surgical transition. So the scenario was that the female refused to be housed with a biological male, citing discomfort. The solution? Send that female to counseling to get over her discomfort. The captain delivering the class, an obvious lesbian woman, added darkly, "If she ultimately can't get over her discriminatory feelings, then the army is not the place for her." This is someone who has the power to kick people out of the military.
I went to the ER for severe cramps in my lower abdomen. I was popping pain relievers like candy and it wouldn’t touch it. The first thing the doctors are going to consider is the fact I am a woman, female. There are many things that women experience medically that men don’t. The same goes vise versa. They ordered an ultrasound to check my uterus and ovaries. They found I had adenomyosis and I had to have a hysterectomy. Men will never experience that. You can call yourself a woman or man all you want, but in the end… you are not. Medically, physically and hormonal… you are different from the opposite sex. You can have this ideology of what being a woman is… you will never know what it means unless you are one. It isn’t a feeling. I am sick and tired of everything women have fought for going down the drain because we can “be whatever gender we want”. Boys don’t need to use girls bathrooms in schools. Men should never be in women’s locker rooms, prisons, sports, etc. If you are trans, more power to you. Live your life and be happy. Don’t undermine my safety and security to benefit your feelings.
Well said.
Most attacks on women are from cis men, not trans women. That's not an excuse to lump them together.
So many people use the excuse of some cis women at the shelters having had bad experiences with abusive men and trans women being triggering for them because the cis women consider them men.
It's disgusting. Not even addressing the fact that trans women are women, no one would use the excuse "well some white women have been assaulted by a [insert minority race here] person, so allowing people of that race to exist in those spaces is discrimination against the white women". Honestly... fuck this normalization of bigotry.
I realize that trans women do not have life experiences involving pregnancy and/or abortion. But contrary to what you asserted, trans women most certainly are "affected by laws that seek to subject and control" their bodies.
Since you brought up violence and legislation that are adjacent to but don't directly involve abortion rights, let's look at a few more examples of ways the patriarchy inflicts harm upon trans women.
Trans women have plenty at stake regarding bodily autonomy. Their access to healthcare is at risk; they experience sexism and misogyny; they are victims of sex and gender-based hate crimes; they get unalived for simply existing; they often spend years, even decades, pretending to be someone they are not; when their identities are not affirmed and supported, they have a high risk of depression and suicide. Trans women of color are at even higher risk.
So yes, trans women absolutely do have a stake in the topic of bodily autonomy and violence against anyone who is not a cisgender man. The patriarchy is happy to oppress all women, trans or otherwise.
Having a space for women and femmes that is inclusive of trans women doesn’t end female spaces. It just makes them inclusive. Acting as if every trans woman in a femme space is going to disrupt it, be a danger to others or will “end female only spaces” is disingenuous at best and hateful fear mongering at worst.
Trans women are victims of misogyny in the same way cis women are. This is why trans women are a part of feminism. If you actually cared about women and women's rights you join feminists around the world in trying to dismantle global patriarchy and pushing for intersectional policies.
@@smokexsmoke99 If you are not a violent person you can have a knife too right?
By the Asian woman's logic, there is no need to minimize risks to women. As such, ALL men should be allowed to use any restroom or changing room they want.
Let's see if she slides over to that "Slightly Agree" line.
I don’t identify that girl as Asian, I don’t want her representing us.
I'm Brazilian, but tomorrow I'm going to the USPS to ask for my US passport, because I feel American. 😂😂😂. I'll come back to tell you if it worked
I actually identify as you now, so once you do get that US passport, you're going to need to hand it over to me. 😂
I am 14 but I Identify as 20, so I'm going to demand the cashier sell me that bottle of liquor
Sou Brasileira tambem. I’m from Rio de Janeiro and I feel like I am Irish. I want my Guinness 😂
@@dootdoot94xo44 not from USA
and this is my biggest issue with the trans movement. Hoe can you be transgender but not Trans anything else. I feel like I'm 70. I want my SSI and actually I'm owed some money ad well.
my heart goes out to the professor. she stood her ground and truth
That girl didn’t even need to open her mouth. The mask says everything you need to know.
This is such a good conversation.
"Why do you strongly disagree?"
"I'm a molecular geneticist."
You don't have to be a molecular geneticist to recognise this as a mass delusion...
exactly. When Kellie Jay Keen watched Lea Thomas beating women in the pool and pointed out that it was wrong because he was male, some tolerant fool asked her if she was a biologist. She responded "I'm not a vet, but I know what a dog is." Self-identification has gone waaay too far and women are sick of this shit.
Her answer was boss af 😂
@@heatheromeara5115 Women should have been speaking out about it 10 years ago when all this "some women have a penis" nonsense started permeating the internet in the aftermath of "Gamergate" and the rise of the Social Justice Warriors. We men warned this is where it would lead and were called mean, misogynist bigots and told to STFU. By women...
No you don't, but I still think it was a great line.
Right, we can see it too, but they can dismiss us. We need more doctors and scientists to stand up and speak loudly against this madness, those they can't dismiss.
I can forgive the young student for her naivety just based on her age, but the 'women are in danger anyway, so why souldn't we increase their risk by allowing males into their spaces' argument is a clearly VERY weak and ill though out. I love the passion of the molecular geneticist, I feel her anger as I share it. Being a woman is not a feeling or a costume we can put on and remove at will, it's an insult to women to suggest it is, and vice versa.
I don't forgive her for articulating her desire to put women and children in danger for social brownie points and stroking predatory men's egos. She actually thinks it's OK to put these men, with full acknowledgement of all the risks, into tiny cells with women...the worst kind of prioritization possible.
@@ncorp2668 , I 100% agree with you but I still think she might wake up to reality when she matures a little, that's all I'm saying. Youth are way more susceptible to grooming by gangs and cults and, to my mind, this is a cult on a massive scale.
@@evieblessed I hear you, but she looks like an adult woman to me. I think we maybe giving too many passes for these college students. They're not children. These are adults talking about real, adult issues that have serious implications. It seems like we baby these people.
agree her last argument was weak. You are comparing law abiding citizens with criminals that have been persecuted. I think that's a bit of a stretch lol
@@glo30507 , precisely that. It's akin to saying women are at some risk from men in every day life so why not put rapists (in UK law rapists can only be male, I know this differs in the US) in confined spaces with vulnerable (as the majority of offending women are) women. It's bonkers!
6 : 48 was that a fart????😂😂😂😂😂😂
It was a shart 💩💩💩💩
On overseas trips we are sometimes advised to drink only bottled water and not tap water. The same advice should be given to anyone traveling to California.
Much love and respect to the molecular geneticist woman. It's so offensive that my womanhood is reduced to an idea instead of a reality. This is in my 40 years of existence the most misogynistic time I have experienced. The harm coming to women and kids from this is enormous.
@@estebanbr7596 The trans movement is created by cowardly men who wants to avoid their manhood duty. In Ukraine, there’s men who are trying to avoid conscription by disguising themselves as women.
@@estebanbr7596 you are referring to "lib feminism" aka an anti-woman backlash to 1st wave (radfem) & 2nd wave feminism promoted and astroturfed by pornographers and other elites. BS like man spreading is a distraction for women to focus on instead of real problems
This has nothing to do with misoginy and you're actually applauding a misandric bigot.
@@estebanbr7596 Just an idea that could be true or not, I guess I'd need to do deep reaserch on that, which I don't actually have time for.
What if the rate is higher, because transitioning from male to female brings more advantages, which don't happen the other way. Indeed I have not heard about a problematic case from women transitioning to males, like I haven't seen males security or opportunities takes away from them from transmen. The other way around though, we have these cases, where security and opportunities (like in sports and then getting stipendium/funding to a university e.x) are taken away, based on the bodily realities of biology in males/females in this world. I also haven't seen these problems come up a lot in earlier times, where it was not sufficiant to be counted to the other sex by just claiming to be the other sex, without actually fully transitioning.
@@tablat1651 All I heard from you was blah blah blah blah.
"Women have internalised misogynism to such an extent that a man's comfort takes precedence over a woman's safety".
THAT is a teacher. PERIOD.
We need more people like HER.
What she should've said was "Society has prioritized the feelings of insignificant trans people so much that the comfort of fake women takes precedence over the safety of actual women."
@janicerideout, I don’t know if that interpretation is entirely charitable. There are men who seek to wield power over women by claiming womanhood and women’s spaces. When women feel so so much social pressure to not only accept this behavior but to also advocate for it, they are internalizing the misogynistic views of a cohort of men who have so little respect for women they believe they are entitled to claim their spaces and even female identity itself.
How is transgender issue connected to misogyny when LGBTQ+ community inclusion, especially for transwomen, was a big agenda of 3rd wave feminism, and continued through 4th wave feminism?? So, feminist hate women?
Yea that statement was right minus the misogyny part.
@breakthecode4634, so the situation: men want access to female spaces, and a significant driver just so happens to be women advocating for these men, and in so doing they disrespect the rights of women who would prefer to maintain single sex spaces? Is that a fair description? Would you agree the women promoting this stuff hold disparaging opinions of women who oppose them? Seems like a textbook example of internalized misogyny
They really both completely disregarded what the strongly disagreer said. She literally said women can’t force that onto men and those both said we can’t prove that it’s bothering anyone or that it matters.
Yeah the Woman that strongly disagrees is right in every Aspect. Cheers to her for being normal in a World full of Clowns, where to be a Woman is ''a Feeling'' ... Absolutely crazy
Being a woman isn't a feeling. WOW! NAILED IT
It is not an argument, it's just an opinion.
See how she always says things with "personally" "i feel"? She's been molded to say these things to not offend anyone. She values feelings and emotions over logic and common sense.
She is emotionally driven but only one sided. she care, and don't wanna hurt those transwomen, yet what about the real women (victim) who got hurt by the Transwoman in jail in sports etc????.. It will continue to do so if we don't categories them.
You could see her thinking what to say so as to not offend, at least twice she apologised before saying something in case it offended. Totally incapable of individual thought or speech.
@@khriezzzz6170 Women got impregnated in jail by trans
She says "I consider myself open minded".
Well, sounds like another example of self identification not matching with reality.
It's is so completely, absolutely obvious she was trying very hard to make sure no one, including those that completely disagree with her, felt attacked by her. You didn't notice this? WOW!
The nutty thing is that all three seem to agree.
Yeah, it seemed the girl on the agree line seemed to want to stay there mostly because she probably thought being on the disagree side is bad. She seemed to have the same beliefs as the other two but started to change her beliefs to stay on the agree line.
Ok so none of these “educated” people can answer a question intelligently. Wtf?? They’re speaking like 8 year olds 😳
Laying here watching this with crazy PMS ( the kind that makes you want to cry 50 times a day), sore breast, spots and cramps. Trust me womanhood is NOT a feeling. It’s an experience. It differs from woman to woman but the experience cannot be a feeling.
This comment should have over a thousand likes 👍
Amen. Those cramps are murdersome
This is the truth of it that none seem to speak to. Female and male, at one time at least, meant one's biological sex. Gender was the social interactions that came from how a female or a male interpreted their biological body and navigated its presence within the world that was full of other females and males. Men act as they act in many ways due to having to deal with having a penis and testicles, no breasts. Women act as they act in many ways due to having a vagina, breasts, no penis or testicles. Men never have to deal with having a period or vaginal mucous, sore breasts, etc that women deal with, men don't have to at times fear the forceful penetration into their bodies that could lead to a pregnancy. Men can't get pregnant. Women never have to deal with unwanted sudden erections, sore testicles and a feeling of bloating that sometimes accompanies them, nor do they have to worry about if a glance at a man has made that man fear her or find her threatening. Of course there are many other examples, but these are the most basic ideas that help build female and male ideas of their own gender. They are experiences and the consequently the feelings that are built from those experiences.
Drats... I lost my train of thought, but I feel I am typing a rant that needs to not be but I typed it so I will post it.
the reason the young lady can't explain her reasoning is because it's not reason, it's a feeling. she has been conditioned to favor feelings over reason/intellect.
what makes me feel good rather than what it right
No, it’s because she doesn’t wanna be canceled.
Her main concern was about being judged by others, which obscured her vision of reality. Very sadly, this is the case for a lot of people.
Exactly. It seems that the 'game' is meant to elicit the _rational process_ by which these people have reached a conclusion, but that's simply not happening for these youngsters - there is NO rational process. Their opinions are not reached any more, they are simply adopted - plucked up from a collection of Buzzword Bingo stickers, and stuck in place like a little logo on a Twitter account. That's why these opinions now are represented by handy little graphics like a black square, a rainbow, or a blue and yellow graphic. So it seems to be a misunderstanding to get people to explain the components of their rational process when the truth is usually 'I just identify with THAT group, and that's our group opinion'. I guess that's the point of this exercise, to expose the lack of process and perhaps get people to see the gaps in their thinking.
“No. I have figured it out. I am as sure of it as I am that this is my hand in front of my face and not yours.” Priceless.
I am a man and still got raped by another man in prison. When someone is raping you, your sex has very little to do with it.
ok but you cant get forcibly raped by a vagina
It's very unsettling how seemingly unconcerned the woman on the agree line is about rape...
Yes. She's a f*cking idiot. She thinks she's being open-minded, but she's being a self-absorbed ignorant ass. You're not better than a rapist, if you help him get access to women.
I think to add on that, her counter argument was basically, men can assault and rape women at any time so what difference does it make
Woke-ism causes brain damage.
Obsessed with this molecular biologist! Thank you for speaking for all of us. MEN CAN NEVER BE WOMEN.
Of course they can. This is exactly what you wanted all this time. For us all to be the same, so enjoy it, no one is coming to save you. This is the woke feminist leftist ideology she has been an active member of finally arriving to eat her. Only now that it is no longer serving to help her obtain power and control over society and has been pushed so far that it is inconveniencing her is she actually saying anything critical about it.
This is a lesson in being careful what you wish for, because you just might open a Pandora's Box that can never be shut.
The left and their feminist majority were happy to weaponize the trans community and many other marginalised communities for years to give their agenda a more virtuous appearance. But now the hounds have slipped the leash and are ready to take their own share of the spoils, suddenly you want the brakes thrown on. Too bad! Time to enjoy the same treatments you were more than happy to dish out on everyone else. You wanted us to all be the same and now we are :)
Feminists, welcome your trans sisters with open arms, this is exactly what you have been fighting for! It's time to celebrate :) If yours wasn't such a privileged position to be in, they wouldn't be so readily forfeiting their male identities to become women.
"Men can be women" spawns a never ending, exhausting train of absurdity.
where is part 2?
Everyone is Confused
the women who strongly disagrees is a hero. The women who agrees is insane
She should consider returning to China.
A hero....? Bit of an overreaction... insane? Also an exaggeration lol 💀
She is not a hero. Although I agree with her, she does what is the *opposite* of what this exercise is for: she states plainly that she is beholden to and immovable on her ideology. She said that nothing could sway her from her line. The goal of this is to be able to conceive of evidence that would sway you, whether real or not. She is a bad actor, in the logical sense.
The Asian girl is not insane. You can tell from her recoil when she receives a negative reaction. She has been operating in circles where such compassion is lauded, and she's taken aback by being in a new environment where it's not. She wants to reduce harm, as most liberals do. Sadly, that's often to the detriment of society. To her credit, she said that she would move if there were a study proving that it was harmful.
What's actually happening is that people are applauding the woman who is immovable because they agree with her, and denigrating the woman who says she is possibly open to moving. You think you are in line with Boghossian, but you're not. You're an example of why this exercise is needed.
@@ottam This exercise has no rule that one must change their position.
If one has found truth amd has the logical basis to suppport it, why must one change their mind?
She’s just rational. It’s insane that being rational is considered a heroic thing to be in today’s society.
I can appreciate the arguments from the molecular geneticist, that putting trans men in women's prison harms women, and I think she's correct on that point. But I think the more compelling reason that they shouldn't be treated as women is that the law should be based in objective reality, and the reality is that they are men, not women.
Period, a small TIM is still a man, you dont have to look like Hulk Hogan ALL TIM's are men, the end
Shawn Eavis dont act stupid... The 3rd wave of Feminists want to pick and choose, now its backfiring.. They have ruined the West with SJW and 3rd wave Feminism. Let them have a taste of their own medicine. #SupportTransWoman #TransWomanAreRealWoman #MaleAndFemaleBothShouldBeRespected
She's stippiting on you and you applaud her. Jesus Christ.
@Damian No, you wouldn't 'have to' pretend the sky is green. You would face pressure from your govt to pretend the sky is green, but then you would have the choice to cower before them and repeat the lie, or show some courage and state the truth. As a Canadian, I've always admired the US Contitution / Bill of Rights, especially compared to the piece of wet toilet paper that is the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. But the Constitution doesn't trump reality, and the people need to find the balls to say so.
Agreed. The truth is the first casualty. When truth dies we can be made to believe or do anything.
It's amazing that that girl just compared UC Berkeley to prison. These kids today have the brains of a rock.
I feel like the girl on the left was just there to be seen as politically correct. I feel second-hand embarrassment hearing her non-existent arguments.
"It's insane for me that women are a 'feeling' now" - that woman is so cool, I loved her sharp thinking yet she was emotional, that's what feminism supposed to be
You will notice many younger people saying "I feel like this" "I feel like that" instead of "I think" and this is due to woke ideology being injected into society
All I know is she is a lot taller and bigger and more than likely stronger than I am.
I'm 55 and I really resonate with the geneticist. My heart pounds and I get so upset over this topic. I'm a survivor of sexual abuse from childhood and older, all men. This aspiring child has no idea what evil can happen in this world. I hope she doesn't find out the hard way. She's been protected so far, incubated - but only thanks to the suffering of women in her own history. She'll learn.
Don't forget the fact that as a TERF she had her own part to play in this all happening. This is the woke feminist leftist ideology she has been an active member of finally arriving to eat her. Only now that it is no longer serving to help her obtain power and control over society and has been pushed so far that it is inconveniencing her is she actually saying anything critical about it.
Be careful what you wish more, because you just might open a Pandora's Box that can never be shut.
Feminists, welcome your trans sisters with open arms, this is exactly what you have been fighting for :) If it wasn't such a privileged position to be in, they wouldn't be so readily forfeiting their male identities to become women.
TERF argument.
Handle your trauma and dont hate.
Have fun in hell if not 😀
Great insight. Thanks for sharing.
Sorry to read of your abuse. It's appalling how often this happens in our 'civilized' world.
Unfortunately, as civilized as society claims to be, these children are far too protected from the reality of human nature; we are savages.
Exactly. She is an innocent for now and that is why she's responding how she is. Thanks for sharing.
They’ve should’ve told that young woman. That even those woman who she’s mentioning about didn’t try to become something they’re not. If a man attacks a woman down in the street the goal is to arrest that man and prevent him from hurting other females.
I see one, the draft should they be allowed to not sign up?
She’s so open minded her brain fell out
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she need to put a latch on that thang
Let's not act like she would be affected about any of these topics. Sport scholarships? No. Jail? No. Pageants? No. She'd only thinking about what affects her. I don't think she cares about other women
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"I wanna know why legally it matters" GIRL THEY JUST TOLD YOU
Same argument could be thrown back at her: if it doesn't matter, why are these people forcing the legal gender change... This kid is really a concerning example of the future generations mindset, they will raise the children of tomorrow and yet they're incapable of rational thought and are emotionally retarded (sorry for the term, but that's how I FEEL).
@@eduh7950 that's a very effective term
@@reezlaw Wasn't meant to be disrespectful, but I literally think it...
To say the least she was confused. I think she was trying to be a "good girl'" and give us a sense of human empathy and compassion for the hypothetical trans man/woman . But she was unable to show any itsy bitsy sense of INDEPENDENT rational thought that, especially, an aspiring scientist SHOULD be able to field at all times. Period.
This girl is going to be further damaged if she happens to pursue her future studies in a woke university.
In case it is not already clear, I strongly agree with the statement. ...even if I am very compassionate with those cases of trans who are real. By the way, now that I think of it, I do not ever remember in my long life that the issue of Trans was ever an issue for the population at large and I never even read in the alternative press that there might have been an issue with the Trans themselves, except when TransWomen put THEMSELVES in situations of danger.
Well at least she breaks the stereotype that all asians are smart😂
He asked good neutral open-ended questions. I would have liked to see a (counter-)argument if truth matters, but the questions were very fair.