CARRIE 4K UHD BLU-RAY REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2024
- Arrow Films 4K UHD release of Brian De Palma's 1976 classic 'CARRIE'. In the USA Shout Factory have issued this but I don't know if the grading and HDR on each disc is identical. This Arrow Films disc is about as perfect as possible so I hope Shout Factory have issued an identical disc. Packed with extra features and extra items from just £30 which included post card sized reproductions of the full eight front of house set, the original US one sheet poster at about one-third scale (reversible with the new cover design on the other side) and a 40 page book. All packaged in a tough box and even with a slip cover to go over that box.
Image aspect ratio is 1.85:1 and default sound is the original mono but with an option for DTS-HD 5.1 which has to be specifically selected from the menu. 
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The Arrow 4k has a higher bit rate than the USA Scream factory version. Get the Arrow 4k folks.
Thank you for this good information which I'm pinning to the top of the comments. Whether or not the higher bit rate will make a perceptible difference is open to question but it's a good started point when deciding which of the two differing versions to choose. John.
thanks John, i watched a few online reviews here in the states where they said that it is a slightly noticeable improvement, i at least they were able to notice the difference when watching it on their OLED's.@@moviecollector5920
Arrow has been killing it with these releases. i wish they would get the rights to Dances with wolves and give us a limited edtion set for that film like this. That movie deserves a 4k set.
Spot on Paul. Arrow Films would be ideal for Dances With Wolves. But I hope the extended version doesn't see the light of day again as it spoils the film so much. Show those additions as outtakes but leave it at that. Other opinions are available! John.
What an absolute classic Carrie is John, i still remember when i first watched it & it still hits just as hard all these years later.
I find that it's getting better and better every time I watch it. All the nuances I see today just weren't there when I watched it as a 15 or 16 year old. It's too clever a film for an adolescent boy and that's the difference compared to films of a similar nature today because they tend to be silly rather than clever. John.
Another review that enhances extensively the experience of watching a classic. Thx you John!
Thank you JK. It's quite easy to wax lyrical about great films like CARRIE. But what a great set to enhance our appreciation of it even further. John.
Seeing Die Hard with a Vengeance poster in your light box makes me want ti rewatch it. Did a Die Hard double-bill of the first two movies for Christmas 2023.
I have the first three films on Super 8. They're all very good but I like the second film best owing to the location and the snow. It feels like Christmas every time we run it. John.
Over the years Carrie has become my favorite De Palma film. I have this version & the old CAV Criterion.
He's made so many great films Peter. I think my current favourite is Blow Out but it probably depends on what day of the week it is!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yea he had a strong run. I even highly recommend Casualties of a War.. One of his more forgotten under-rated films..
Great review - just bought it.
I hope you like it as much as I do Jason. John.
Carrie is one of those rare films I have never got around to viewing. Will definitely pick this erase up!
If you do get this special pack release comiccollex, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I think it's one of the best I've got owing to how good it looks (and sounds) and the fabulous poster (about one-third size I think) and miniature front of house set. Then there's the book and the very nice box to house it all. A special souvenir of a great thriller/horror film. John.
This is a really good movie, John, I felt so sorry for Carrie in the end. I'm not a fan of split screen but this one is an exception. A very good review as usual, John.
I agree, the split screens work in this one Sin Gin. So does the little comedy section where they sped up a scene simply because it was taking too long. And I too feel sorry for Carrie. John.
Great to see you feature my all-time favourite movie here, John. I saw it on initial release and loved it so much that I saw it 6 times in the cinema back then. Ever since it came out on home video rental and then sell-through, I’ve watched it at least once a year and I’ve owned every format since VHS, too.
I own the Scream Factory 4K and to my old eyes, the Arrow seems a little sharper - perhaps they did their own mastering on it?
I wish they had done even a couple of new features as other than the new transfer, it’s exactly the same as the Blu Ray set they put out a few years ago, but they don’t seem to do that with their 4K upgrades of recent releases.
Regardless, it’s the best this film has ever looked and would highly recommend to anyone who didn’t pick up the Arrow blu ray.
That's good information about the Scream Factory release David because I've not had much feedback from people who have both the Scream and Arrow versions. Only one other I think. I expect both companies did have their own mastering done as that explains any minor difference.
It sounds like you didn't get the Super 8 releases though so you'll have to rectify that if you want to be a top CARRIE fan! And if you find unfaded copies then I'll want to know about it. I'm sure they're out there as I believe the prints were being struck well after 1982 but finding them will be the problem.
John.
Your enthusiasm for this film is effectively conveyed in this review, John…! Do you get chance to discuss your thoughts on what dupes, IPs, INs or original camera negs may have been used to create the disc release master? Lastly, yes, please be encouraged to continue creating “similar content to this”… all the best, Steve
Evening Stephen. I don't think anyone has information on how many dupe sequences have had to be inserted into a negative but I expect many of them suffer damage, particularly a negative that has been used to create more first generation master prints than most. 2001: A Space Odyssey is probably the most used negative in history in this regard as so many 70mm release prints were struck directly from it. It does mean the 4K disc of that one is a little variable in places but Carrie may still be completely intact. I did pick up on odd scenes being a little more grainy and possibly not so well defined which does indicate dupes have been inserted. Whatever is the case, this 4K has been sourced from a transfer of the negative and not the interpositive or internegative. John.
Just picked this up the other day. I absolutely love this film and Arrows presentation of this 4k is great. Asset to my growing collection.
Please let me know on here if you do a review of this one. I've seen your unboxing complete with Carrie theme. I doubt I'd get away with using that but well done - a beautiful theme. John.
@moviecollector5920 I had to include a bit of the fantastic score. Copyright be damned. I may have to do a review now. Great video as usual, John.
The editing for the final "jump" moment back at the house ruins always gets me. I can't think of another that is as well timed. But wht made me surprised is that I missed something earlier. I was watching an extract being shown (perhaps at Deranns stand at a photo show and a girl was watching. I think she would have been much too young to sdee it at the cinema, but as Piper Laurie was being impaled the girl looked at her and said "She's enjoying it!" I've never watched that scene again without thinking that she was right and I missed it!!!!
I think we were all a little too young to appreciate all the little nuances in CARRIE back then Brian. It's getting better and better every time I watch it because I'm getting older and more adept and spotting every last detail. As for a better jump in a film, how about PHANTASM when the Tall Man brings his hand down on Jody's shoulder? "The funeral is about to begin... Sir!" We always turned the volume up for that and all our friends would jump out of their seats. Hilarious. John.
Hello John old buddy old pal. Excellent video. I love Carrie. Must add this one to the list. (It’s a long list) Thank you John.
At just £29.99 it has to be one of the best ever 4K releases overall. Similar in quality and what it included to the GET CARTER release from the BFI 18 months ago and for the same bargain price too. John.
Great review as always John. I've bought this after your review. A true classic Movie.
I hope you like it as much as I do. I may actually find a proper frame for the poster and miniature front of house set this time which isn't something I've done with any of the special editions so far. John.
Hello John, i have seen loads of of your reviews now and theres something about how you come across and your passion for films, that really make me want to go out and buy everything you review. Very enjoyable listening to you, thank you.
Kind of you to say so Lance but I hope I'm not costing you too much. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hi again John, thanks for the reply, trying to limit my spending but its hard 😀, can i just ask , you mentioned when reviewing one of your 4k purchases that you often tinker with the settings to get the best picture, both on the projector and player as well . I have a cinema room myself with a Sony 4k projector, and wonder do i adjust the settings on this or on the 4k bluray player to suit each film that i watch, Thanks again, keep up the good work, look forward to the next review.
@@lancesmith9733 I play with the settings on both Lance but the player is easy as it's just the HDR output which on a Panasonic 4K has four settings that can be accessed via an HDR button on the remote control. The current video projector has a laser as the lamp so it can be a bit over the top at times and I have to turn the light output down. Some discs benefit from more light whereas others look better with less and sometimes the minimum 50% setting. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thank you John, i have the recently bought the Panasonic bluray player and will try the different settings. Lance
This 4K is impressive. I too have multiple copies but it is Carrie.
Great review -thank you.
Well said Paul. Yes, it is Carrie.
John.
A very informative review here John so thank you very much. I've not seen Carrie for over a decade so this version looks amazing, 70's horror has so many classics its unreal, watching them with my mother was always a treat and I remember our first horror watched together was Blood on satans claw.
I probably watched that same broadcast of The Blood On Satan's Claw Christopher. I used to watch every horror movie that was broadcast. I saw some right old rubbish but I remember thinking highly of Satan's Claw even if I can't remember anything about it today. John.
Another great review John :)
This is one of my favorite 70s horror films. Sissy Spacek's performance is fantastic and there's som really scary parts, especially the prom scene. I would definitely recommend Carrie to anyone who enjoys older horror films. The Carrie 2 is also good but I haven't seen it more than once before.
I always thought highly of CARRIE but watching it again has made me appreciate it even more now. It made me think about that era of films and how we don't get horror movies in the same class any longer. I haven't seen the attempts at remaking it (I know one was intended to be a pilot for a proposed television series so that probably doesn't really count) but the extracts in the extras on this new 4K disc seemed to confirm that it's not possible to make this film today. John.
I have the steenbok 4K just released over here. My main memory of this film was being a projectionist and enjoying "that' scene from the projection booth. Great review John!
I did see it at the cinema Rob but I wasn't particularly scrutinizing image quality at that time so I don't remember how it looked. I feel that this 4K disc looks ever better than the general release print I saw though otherwise I expect I'd remember it looking like something more special than normal. John.
Great review.
Just ordered on amazon.
Cheers mate.
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I actually saw a copy in a shop last Friday - in FOPP in the West End of London. John.
Thanks for another great review. I was waiting for a trustworthy one before I ordered this so will be a definite purchase now. Love De Palma movies, cinema at its best 👍
I think the rest of the pack is almost worth the £30 so to get a 35mm quality 4K home video disc with it is almost too good to be true. I hope you like it all as much as I do. John.
Great review John, and what a great set its great that these releases come to 4k , the fog 1980 is also good , as for the remake what a let down , the old ones are always the best , keep up the great reviews .
You'd have to be a bit daft to try to remake The Fog Paul but if someone can get the money to do it then it's another pay day doing something you enjoy even if you know the end product will be a disappointment. I think it's almost impossible to do a classy horror movie today owing to the political correctness nonsense that permeates just about everything. John.
@moviecollector5920 exactly thats why they are always rubbish they have done the fog in early 2000s poltergieste in 2016 also rubbish and Carrie which was not too bad but not a patch on the original.
Great review John of an excellent film. I read the book after watching the film and think both were as good as each other. I do believe Brian De Palma also directed The Fury with Kirk Douglas which is another classic with an excellent score by the maestro himself John Williams!!
Now there's another film I haven't seen in a very long time Dark. I am re-watching the De Palma films as I come across them on the shelves. I didn't think so much of Body Double though so as much as I think he's a great film maker, I don't think all the films great. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah, I think De Palma's incapable of making an 'average' film. For me, he either makes great films or bad ones. And as an in between, instead of being 'average' he makes bad films with frustratingly great moments.
@@DomH75 I didn't particularly like Body Double but there are still some great aspects to it.
Thanks John it's now on my ever-growing 4k discs list
It will be worth finding a review of the Shout Factory edition Dave, particularly if someone has the Arrow Films release too. I suspect they've both done their own mastering and HDR application but I don't know that, just a feeling. John.
Great movie and a great presentation on 4k.
I think most of us will agree with you Rey. John.
Just ordered this after seeing your video 👍
Great review video as always
I hope you like the whole pack and the great 4K disc as much as I do Paul. Best of luck with it. John.
Thank you John.
You're welcome Cheekster. John.
Great release from Arrow, love the packaging. This was the first time I've seen the film seeing the 4K and I really enjoyed it. Great Review mate!
I first saw it in a cinema in 1980 I think. I don't think it looked quite as good as this 4K disc but I didn't tend to scrutinize films so closely back then. John.
Great video John, My copy of this just arrived in the mail today from the UK, look forward to watching it
I hope you enjoy it as much as I did Paul. Well done for getting one shipped over. John.
Great review and presentation. Its obvious you have a wealth of knowledge, experience and passion when it comes to film and that shines through. Subbed, thanks.
Good to have you here Stephen. I was a little too young to see this one in 1976 but it was on a rolling re-release for a long time as a double-bill with PIRANHA and so I managed to see it in a cinema in 1980. John.
Another amazing review! Thank you!
This was the film that scared the hell out of me as a kid! 😂😂
I was only 14 when I saw that first Derann Super 8 reel but I was fast becoming immune to horror movies. But I did see it at the cinema a couple of years later and it was clear it was a class act even if I was past being scared by then. A few years earlier and I'd have been frightened out of my wits. John.
Excellent job John....you have me excited about this one....need to do some shopping.... Thanks again 👍
£30 is very good value when you look at what new releases usually cost, i.e. £25 for a disc in a standard case. Jaws 2 for example. They're soon being sold off cheap usually though but this one won't be.
John.
Another great review John. These in depth deep dives to these films are great. Still holding out the hope that one day you will review Halloween in 4k.
I have done a couple of HALLOWEEN videos but I'm not likely to ever want a 4K disc of it as I have the Super 8 'Scope print. Sorry about that. It was a pretty good seller on Super 8 so they are around if you ever fancy the challenge of finding one. Probably the closest you'll ever get to how the film looked in cinemas without finding an original, unfaded 35mm print. John.
Carrie is a film i didn't like as a teenager growing up in the Eighties, Thanks to your review i feel the need to give it a re-watch, i have put this and the Scream version on my list and when it goes a little bit cheaper i will pick it up.
I always liked it but I have to admit that I now find it even more impressive. This is probably because I'm a little older now (!!!) but also possibly because we don't get classy horror films like this any longer and probably can't because of the risk of offending people. John.
Brilliant review John . Definety getting this , Carlitos Way , and Waterworld 🙂
I think you'll like it Stevie and Carlito's Way too. I don't have Waterworld but it looked fabulous at The Empire when first released and then the PAL LaserDisc was impressive so it should be great as a 4K home video disc. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I saw Waterworld in the Glasgow Odeon back in the day. Loved the Odeon. Thanks John ☺
Great stuff John keep up the good work. I've never actually seen this full movie before, so I may have to check it out.
It's a classic. Whether or not it's a horror movie or a thriller was something I was thinking about mentioning but it's been labelled a horror for so long now that I decided a discussion about it was pointless. A girl with telekinetic abilities isn't horror in my book but the outcome is horrific I suppose.
John.
Thanks again, John. Think I'll pick this one up. 👍🏻
It's a beautiful release Doug. I think is was 1980 that I saw the film as one of a double-bill with Piranha and I doubt it looked as good as this 4K disc. Add the poster and miniature reproduction front of house set along with that book and it is something quite special. John.
Thanks John, I have never seen this film, looks like a great release from arrow again
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It's even better than the Robocop 4K special pack and that was brilliant too. John.
I'm with you on modern horror movies. Like literally the last 10 horror movies from modern times sucked. Back in the 80s, it seemed like every horror VHS I picked off the shelf ended up being a winner.
I think it's down to demographics Darth. Back in the 1970's there was a general audience and that's why great films like The Omen and The Shining appeared. This gradually shifted to a younger audience and why there weren't so many quite so grown up horrors in the 1980's. Today it's mainly teenagers going to the cinema so movies are aimed at that age and a bit above. Halloween in 1978 was more aimed at a younger audience but that had class that is somewhat lacking today. Carrie was similar in that regard now that I think about it. John.
Yes, despite the old blu-ray coming from what seems to be the exact same 4k scan as the new 4k, the 4k looks miles better than the blu ray did. I really hope that Arrow stick with this slipcover packaging on their limited editions because it is much better than when they just have the paper sleeve with all the information taped on the back which is very annoying because I never know to take it off and throw it away or to try and keep it on even though it keeps slipping around. This slipcover method is MUCH MUCH nicer than that and hopefully they stick with this kind of packaging.
I was thinking the same thing TJ. The bits of paper stuck to the backs of these boxes and steelbooks always seem to get bent over eventually. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yh I find that really annoying and sometimes they dont even come attached to the steelbooks, my Fright Night 4k steelbook doesnt have it stuck to it at all, really annoying as it has all the information on it and why they dont make these things big enough to simply put inside the steelbook if it isnt intended to stay attached is really beyond me.
John I have got some questions about Super 8. Like how did/ does Super 8 work? Is it like cutdowns of films that cut the runtime down to 20 minutes or so? I was just wondering how it worked cos it seems interesting.
I just started wondering because as a bonus feature on my Shivers (1975) blu-ray it actually comes with a 1080p scan of the "Super 8 version" which was the film condensed into about 20 minutes.
Just interests me.
Superb release, glad to see you reviewing Carrie 4K.
First saw that Derann extract reel in 1978 Alec. Then saw the film at the cinema in 1980. I've known it a long time and as a result I couldn't resist this 4K pack when it finally went on sale. John.
Enjoyed the review. Now Carrie in 4k is on my list of must haves on 4k. Great Stephen King to movie transfer masterfully done by Brian DePalma. I used to read Stephen King a lot. Another one I found quite enjoyable is Christine and its subsequent book to movie transference. In my opinion the "king" of these is Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of The Shining which also looks great in 4k.
The Shining certainly looks exceptionally good Daniel and perhaps an illustration of how superior 35mm is even when it's cropped down to about two-thirds of the frame area. There have been some excellent quality movies shot on video though so a few probably just about match up. Carrie is very good as a 4K disc and looks just like it should.
John.
I really wish there were more 2 channel stereo options for people who don't care about surround sound.
I know a lot of players don't come with phono outputs any longer but there are devices that attach to an HDMI to break the sound down into various physical outputs. That would make running the sound out to a stereo amplifier a little easier perhaps. I have one of those devices - cost about £15 and it has a pair of phono outputs and an optical. Works perfectly whenever I need to use it at an event. John.
The 70s and 80s are the greatest eras ever for horror. None of that PC or cgi crap. And the actors had personalities as well 👍
Now that you mention it Paul, there was none of the wokery either. This film couldn't possibly be made today. John.
@@moviecollector5920 That's why I hardly watch any of the movies made today. 😂
The 70s, and I'd also say the 80s, were an great time for horror movies. There was definitely a different tone and feel to that genre back then. I've never seen Carrie. I've often been curious about it. I think I'll give it a try. I didn't know about the Oscar nomination, that's incredible! The 70s was definitely an interesting time for film and Hollywood.
It's a class act Andy but some may find some of the bullying and a few bits of violence upsetting or difficult to watch. There were good horrors through the 1980's too, that's for sure. I'm not sure the 80's quite matches up to the 1970's though. When you start to list them out there were so many classics in the 70's and it seems to have started to tail off in the early 1980's and that's possibly because those of us who were lapping them up were getting older and moving on. Films like The Exorcist, The Omen and The Shining were probably of universal appeal rather than teenagers and twenty somethings though. Even Jaws could perhaps go in that list. What a time for movies and horror movies in particular.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for the heads up on the content. I've grown accustom to covering my eyes with my hands if something too gruesome comes on screen. haha
Good point. 70s horror seemed more sophisticated or they had something to say, beyond being a scary movie. I think by the early-mid 80s most horror movies were just endless sequels to previously original ideas.
@@andylindsey I've been trying to think of good horrors in recent years but so far my mind is a blank. They are out there but you look back to the 1980's and even in 1987 we had Prince of Darkness which wasn't highly regarded at the time but it was pretty damned scary in a dark cinema I can tell you. John.
Hi John! Love this. How to avoid an essay after your review and all the great points. From the first draft of this book taken from his (SK) garbage pail to THIS epic film from a great director as you say living amongst these great films of the 70s that we grew up on..... when you mentioned PJ soles I went Stripes hahahah just a great review and again avoiding an essay here which would be unfair lol I will get this one asap. Forget waiting for a price drop on Young Guns and The Mist lol .. Thanks for this review and I'm off to make the order. My best and have a great weekend D in BC!
It seems that the Shout Factory disc is different Dave so even though I'm told it's just as good or possibly better, I don't think it comes with the poster, book and miniature front of house set which is what makes this Arrow Films version extra special. Whichever version you decide to buy, I hope you enjoy seeing CARRIE in this great, film-like quality as much as I did. John.
Ok, I just watched Carrie for the first time. Very fascinating! I noticed that one long camera shot at the prom. That was impressive. I also found the character design for the religious mother interesting. They chose to give her a dark cloak and long red hair, like the classic look of a witch. And their home was like a dark, haunted cathedral. I'm not sure how I feel about how the story ended for the main character. It didn't feel genuine and more like they needed a quick way to wrap up the story. I will say though, for the final sequence (spoiler alert) I said to myself, "this will totally redeem the ending for me if she bursts out of rubble and grabs her" AND SHE DID!!! I burst out laughing and applauded, I can't believe I called it. haha This was a good movie. It left me with a strange mix of calm compassion and disgust. I love when a movie leaves me with a unique emotional state.
That is such a good summary Andy. You should have done the review video! To pick all that out on a first watch is darned good going so well done. I've seen the Super 8 cut down so often that I don't really have to watch the film now, I just tend to look at it. But this 4K did make me sit up and take notice because it was just like being in a cinema watching a 35mm print struck straight off the camera negative (i.e. a master print). John.
Great review as ever John. Could you do a video about what projector to get for a best experience in an ordinary small to medium home? Love your work. Best wishes, John.
I'm pretty sure that all the 4K home video projectors will give amazing results. Trevor at Double Bill Movies went for the entry level Optoma and we think it's effectively the same as my own UHZ50 but mainly without the laser lamp. We spent £2K on this one but the entry level projector was around £900. A bargain. Biggest thing to making your living room into a cinema is to envelop the projected image with a black frame. Motorized masking isn't what I'm talking about here but if you project onto a white wall then black card on picture hooks so that it can be removed after a show will do just as well.
John.
Glad to hear Carrie looks great on 4k John. I accidentally stumbled across this on vhs when I was way too young and it jolted me quite badly 😂 it is a classic no doubt, it’s safe to they don’t make them like this anymore.
Finding a film that is at all scary today is a difficult task. Back in the 1970's and early 1980's there seemed to be loads of them. I suppose it was a generational thing and there was an audience for quality horror movies whereas today it's mainly a teenager market only. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I kinda feel I have all my favourites now on 4k, there are a few more I’d like. Have you seen Master & Commander with Russell Crowe ? I’m really hoping that gets a 4k release.
@@danboy77 I have that on Super 8 Dan. One of only 38 copies in the world I think. John.
Yep, picked this one up in Fopp a couple of weeks back and was really impressed with it. Thought it was a bit steep at first - £30 - but seems worth it for a special edition. Nice review!
When you think The Creator was £25 and offers poor image quality in a standard case, this release seems to be amazing value. The difference is that this one won't get sold off for a tenner anytime soon.
John.
I bought that edition a few years ago from HMV
That's the Blu-ray David. I expected it would be just about the same other than the disc. John.
Brian De Palma followed Carrie up with 'The Fury'. Again, it dealt with telekinesis, but this time Amy Irving possess the power. Worth a watch if memory serves me right.
I did see it years ago but wasn't particularly enamoured with it. I expect I'd appreciate it more today but many people recommended Body Double and that's another De Palma I don't like too much. As much as I think he's a great film maker, I haven't loved them all. John.
Interesting movie review here, thanx so much MC!….Yeah, I think it’s important to note that SK’s “Carrie” really doesn’t amount to much as a book IMO….(he tells a great deal of the story using newspaper clippings/articles)…BUT THE MOVIE is like WOW!
@@richard-mr1vz I haven't read Stephen King's book in 43 years so I don't remember much about it. Just like Brian De Palma with the film thought, it put him on the map. John.
salut bonne revue sur se 4k et belle vidèo comme toujour
Merci Alain. John.
Excellent review as always John,got mine yesterday and watched it last night,a fantastic film...Will have my own review up soon 😊
Please give me a kick here when you do get yours uploaded up Marty otherwise I might miss it. What a wonderful release. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I will John,Arrow are rivalling Second Sight releases at the min.
@@moviecollector5920 My review is up John 🙂
I know u keep ur slip covers in the plastic. But the Carrie 2 one has such a velvet feel to it. It brings up the quality of that release up a notch
I'm not overly fascinated by them but I do like them. The trouble is that once the disc has been watched they all go on the shelf and then barely get another look until it's time for another viewing. And that can take years... maybe even ten years or more. John.
Shout usually adds a layer of unnecessary processing or messes with the HDR before releasing it here. At least, they used to. Very interested to see if they left it alone this time.
It may be that both Arrow and Shout received the basic 4K transfer file and it's up to each of them to finish it off independently. I hope Shout have either used the Arrow disc or have done as good a job as Arrow Films clearly have. John.
Got the Scream factory 4k first then got the Arrow version for me the Scream version just has the edge for me. A great film.
If it was as good as the Arrow Films mastering then that would have been achievement enough. John.
A masterpiece one of the creepiest movies ever made
I think many of us will agree with you there Sisco. John.
You warm enough there John? ;) Good review 👍
Very cozy in my fleece thank you Leroy. It's been bloomin' freezing here lately. John.
Right I'm off to HMV to buy it!
I hope you can get a copy in your local HMV Jon. I think you can check on the HMV web site now if a particular branch has copies of what you want in stock. John.
I do love this movie, nice review, I think I own every DePalma movie. I think Body Double may be my favorite, although blowout is great.Do you have to give spoiler alerts on a 50 year old movie? The USA shout version came with a Blu-ray and the 4K blows it out of the water.
I try to be careful not to give too much away about the story Gary. I have summarized plots in the past and it leads to abuse so there's no point doing it any longer. I always try to remember to show the synopsis from the box on screen and then people have a choice of reading it or not.
I still have a few De Palma films to find so I have a way to go yet.
John.
Yeah, The Rage Carrie 2 isn't all that bad. I'd like a 4K of that one as well, especially for the finale.
I didn't expect to like the sequel at all so it was a nice surprise. I have the same outlook on the remakes so maybe one of those will also surprise me one day if I ever somehow manage to watch either of them. John.
The packaging on this 4K release is spectacular! Gosh that new cover art is very striking and creepy-resembles the mythical banshee. I’m with you John, the 70s and 80s were the golden age for horror films it seems. And I don’t care for the newer ones, particularly the torture porn subgenre (Saw, Hostel, et al👎).
There have been some good, scary films in recent years but I think they are mainly aimed at teenagers now whereas years ago there was a more general target audience. Think of The Exorcist and The Omen for example. But even teeny films like Halloween had more about them than anything getting made today. John.
nice review mate ,I'm sure my boxset has the blu ray as i don't own a 4k player or tv yet .
Aha, just saw this comment after responding to your last one ten minutes before. I expect the Blu-ray is great David but if you really like the film then maybe one day get the standalone 4K disc in a standard pack. John.
Nice one
Thank you Paul. John.
Dammit John! You've just made me spend another £30!! 🤣 I've got the Arrow Blu-ray, which is excellent, but you can't have too much Carrie, especially in 4K! First time I saw the film was in the early 1990s on Sky Movies. The final jump scare literally made me leap out of my chair (I think I was about 17 when I saw the film!) Funny thing with the opening: I'd only ever seen the 'alternate' version where all the actresses in the locker room had towels around them - I think I'd remember the opening otherwise!!. Back in the day, I recorded a lot of movies on VHS and later copied a number of recordings on to DVD until decent transfers showed up! I was kinda shocked (not in a bad way! 😄) when I watched the Blu-ray! Holy moley!!
What I pick up on nowadays is all the Psycho references. Obviously, a variant of the Psycho shower scene music sting is used several times, but also there are little things like Carrie attending Bates High School!! I watched the original Friday the 13th recently and that's also full of Psycho references, including musical ones, just as Halloween is. I guess it's telling that a bunch of filmmakers of a similar age all made films that referenced Hitchcock's film. They must all have been mesmerised by Psycho as children.
Carrie's just a wonderful film across the board. So inventive. Stephen King said he actually considered it to be superior to the novel, which is a decent read in itself! Haven't seen Rage. Might have a look for that one as well!! Occasionally you get 'impossible' sequels such as Psycho 2 that actually work! I loved seeing your personal film copies of Carrie. I love it when companies get hold of those reels and include them on their discs. Sadly it happens all too rarely! Thanks for another great review. Dominic Husband 🙂
It is a wonderful film Dominic and it's not often we can say that about horror movies today. But is it a thriller rather than a horror? That was something I was going to talk about but I decided the video was already getting too long. The Derann 2x400ft extract reels tell two different parts of the story and are cleverly done (I think by my long time BFCC colleague Ken Locke when he was a film editor at the BBC) but I didn't know him at the time the reels were issued. Working out the correct order each sequence from each of the two reels needed to be re-cut into took some working out and I'm not certain I got everything exactly right but it works. I got the DVD seen in this video to rip the sound off and cut it to match the final Super 8 2x400ft I had to re-record it into stereo but then the print showed evidence of fading and I rather lost interest. If I could find those reels again but printed post 1982 on low fade stock then I'd buy them all over again and get on with the re-recording even though the 4K disc is superior in every respect. There is just something about having a film on film. And in that regard I've been playing with my Kinoton FP20 35mm projector recently and having one or two ups and downs so I might put a video together all about it.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah, it probably falls somewhere in the grey area between horror and 'supernatural' thriller. Certainly, the lead up to Carrie 'going nuclear' is straight out of the Alfred Hitchcock playbook as Sue tries to prevent the disaster!
@@DomH75 My fav horror genre is supernatural :D
That John was a good horror film. Great actors also.
We don't tend to see the like of this today Craig. Not in a horror movie I mean. John.
Hi John. I’m a big fan of the look of Blow Out. I have a really hard time with DePalma’s world view. His perspective on things can often seem somewhat superficial or simply off. What do you think of the use of the scream audio at the conclusion of Blow Out? Is it a joke, or an amatuerish attempt at melodrama?
"It's a good scream" is almost the whole point of BLOW OUT Cody. By the time that ending is on screen we know it's coming and I think it's the only ending possible for that great film. I do know that it disappointed a lot of people but it didn't have that effect on me. Just as well we're all different though.
John.
Carrie is one of my favorite horror movies
Mine too Victor. But is it really a horror movie? I was going to pose that question in this review but decided against it. John.
Not sure if I want to get the US SF 4K or this one, I'm a bit conflicted. I was definitely pretty impressed with Arrow's Hellraiser, The Warriors. and Conan 4K sets this past year.
Good morning Austin. I think both companies used the same cine to video transfer but I can't recall if they did their own grading for each release. It's the overall pack that I like and that's what makes this one a great home video release. The 4K disc is the icing on the cake. John.
Die Hard with a Vengeance in the light box I see.
Yes, it's the right colours for the room Timothy but not quite as right as Spider-Man 2. John.
@moviecollector5920 Nice movie. It's kind of heavy on the profanity, unfortunately, but Nice.
Well, what a coincidence. I've literally just returned home from HMV with a copy myself.
Well done for actually finding a copy in HMV Michael. I couldn't but a few stores seem to have gotten them in. John.
I could be wrong but Wigan, where I'm from and where I picked up my copy, probably isn't a hub for film enthusiasts.
@@michaelstorer9567 Possibly Michael. But Britain is one of the biggest markets for cinema and home movies and possibly only second to the USA. In terms of population size, we may be the biggest market for film enthusiasts. John.
I still have the Arrow BD unopened sitting on my shelf.😮
Send it over!!! John.
It's just shy of fifty years ago, but I seem to recall having seen "Carrie" in letterbox format when it was released. This release is in 1.85 widescreen? Weird...
It was always a widescreen film rather than a 'Scope film. My initial recollection of the ending was different to how the arm does come out of the ground so these things just happen at times. The memory plays tricks. I think it was 1.66:1 at the cinema I saw it at. John.
Nice review John, I was never a huge horror fa, so It's not one I'll likely pick up but regarding the use of the surround channels you mentioned, got me thinking about other movies which made good use of the mix (of which there aren't a lot that really stand out) but you might be interested in a small indie movie from the early 2000's called Cypher starring Jeremy Northam and a very early-in-her-career Lucy Lui. I only have it on dvd, i'm not sure if it ever got a blu ray release (and i doubt it will get a 4k) but it has a phenomenal scene where a character is being brainwashed a la clockwork orange, filmed POV and the brainwashing bombards you from all sides in this most phenomenal way using the surround channels quite unlike anything ive seen before or since. As I say i've no idea if it got a blu ray but the dvd could probably be picked up for ne t to nothing second hand at somewhere like Cex. Andrew.
I don't think I've ever even heard of Cypher Andrew. Sounds interesting though so I need to remember to keep a lookout for a DVD. DVD's tend to go for virtually nothing in a local charity shop here and many look surprisingly good on the big screen even today. I don't expect it will look as good as the 4K of Point Break though! John.
@@moviecollector5920 just a heads up. Zavvi online have a sale on a handful of disney and 20th Century Fox 4k discs this weekend only 2 for £20 (plus their standard postage). The 25th Anniversary of Alien was included but has sold out, but the list does include the original Die Hard, and Le Mans 66 which I thought were great 4k's and not bad for £10 each in that deal. Andrew
I've had this rather nice state side 4k steelbook by shout for quite a while Iam guessing it will be same transfer with Dolby Vision HDR.
Apparently it's not the same mastering/grading Ethan. I'm told it might be slightly better but even if it's not, it's not going to be far off. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did this Arrow Films version. John.
Just bought the 1080p Arrow version. It will be excellent! I recently bought Reservoir Dogs 4k John.Have you seen it? It's best 4k image I have seen yet non IMAX. It's incredible. Cheers.
You'll have to let me know how good the Arrow Blu-ray of CARRIE is Lborg because I haven't seen it. I haven't seen Reservoir Dogs either but don't get too carried away with how that looks because it was only a Super 35mm shoot so if it does look exceptional it's probably because the Kodak Eastman EXR 50D stock is a fine grain but it's not one I know about. All recent 70mm shoots will produce better results as the image area is three times the size. Sometimes it takes a pretty big projection to tell the difference between the good 4K discs. John.
@@moviecollector5920 My Panasonic blu-ray player upcalles 1080p up to 4k very well that's why sometimes I can see a great deal of difference between the formats sharpness wise. All Arrow 1080p films look exceptional. Robocop, An American Werewolf, Weird Science etc. Carrie will no doubt be excellent as well. Arrow are the benchmark in restoration. You got to give Reservoir Dogs a look John it's brilliant. I have also ordered Pulp Fiction 4k to go with it. Cheers.
@@moviecollector5920 Carrie 1080p was very good John. Quite heavy film grain (like Robocop) but very detailed. Arrow do brilliant restorations. 👍Cheers.
@@cp070476 Yep, Arrow Films are a rather special company. Them and Second Sight probably produce the most consistently good collector packs along with exceptional video mastering each time. John.
Yeah I've got the Shout Factory 4k Steelbook imported from states, fantastic. Great film, when horror films truly were horror films i.e. intelligent, had a story... didn't have annoying poor acting... the main two are incredible in this film. Lovely. I didn't like the sequel at all tbh... wasn't my cuppa. However I did quite enjoy the remake even if it does feel Holywood and lost it's gritiness!
I suppose I was expecting THE RAGE: CARRIE 2 to be the usual poor, modern type of horror movie and I was pleasantly surprised. It's not brilliant but it's surprisingly good when you compare it to almost every other recent horror. There have been a few exceptions but none immediately spring to mind. Apparently the Shout Factory and Arrow 4K versions of Carrie look slightly different. That seems a little odd when you consider the amount of hours it must take to do the work that goes into a 4K home video release but apparently it's true.
John.
@ollector5920 Strangely I see a comment below saying about high bandwidth and bit rate, however... just watched this... ruclips.net/video/i-fFyDUgFK8/видео.html very interesting to see! It seems the Shout Factory is alot lighter and slightly more unatural BUT it's hard to see if this is how it looks on your own TV but from the main section from 7:30 into the video, seems I'd prefer the Arrow one based off screen shots... Mmmm I'd also say that there's more "detail" at 8:07 as well... more definition on the plant between the two people and more detail in the mothers hair? HOWEVER at 8:33, the scream factory looks far less tampered with... the Arrow one looks pretty noisy there everywhere in that scene. This is tough!
Hello good sir!
Ive been following your channel for months and i love your insight on 4k transfers.
Im quite new to 4k viewing and when i bought my TCL 55 mini led tv ( which im very happy with ) a tech review of my tv ( gave it top marks ) suggested turning off motion smoothing aka soap opera effect immediately!
When i put a 4k film into my sony 4k player i was horrified to see what motion smoothing did!
Yes it looked slmost 3D.
Incredible really but it also ruined the immersion of the film and i felt like i was on set beside the camera instead of viewing from afar!
I haven't watched a soap opera in decades for good reason so i quickly turned it off!
Id love to hear your opinion on motion smoothing sir but i imagine you would hate it 😂✌️
Keep up the great work from one Englishman to another 👍
Daz
Good to have you here Daz and sorry for not replying sooner but I've been away and didn't take a computer with me. Motion smoothing is just one of multiple options that come with all tellies now that should be labelled 'Mess up your image quality here'. Sharpness is another that should be minimized as low as you feel is still acceptable. I find 0 is the best on my video projector but it's harder to judge on the telly. I think I have it about 10% now but I did have it on 0 for ages. Basically, any digital 'enhancement' turns the image to mush so turn them off. They're a major cause of people getting image quality of 4K discs wrong. Sometimes the options turn themselves back on which shouldn't be a surprise as essentially these machines are computers now and they're all prone to software bugs.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes I turned off sharpness ( again, the review of my TV suggested this as did other utube channels ) straight away and instantly turned off motion smoothing which was the default.
God knows why MS is even an option!?
What would benefit from it on?
Some have suggested anime and CGI movies but to me it ruins immersion.
I'm getting ABIT obsessed with this 4k collecting hobby!
Have about 50 films now with more on the way!
I watched Leon and true romance straight after last night and the transfers seemed superb. Incredible films too.
I've the fog ( studio canal ) the howling, American werewolf in london, Oppenheimer , the elephant man and the matrix on their way to me.
I'm going for another double bill this evening with the lost boys followed by Bram stokers Dracula!
Thanks for replying John.
Keep up the great work!
Daz
@@moviecollector5920 I blame HMV and their 2 for £30 deals!!
I need to chop my hands off! 😂👍
Also bizarre to me that someone would make Carrie and then follow it with the same scenario for their next film. What an odd thing to do.
Yes, now that is odd Cody. Perhaps success seemed such a long time coming that it appeared to be a safe and sensible approach to stick with a similar subject. John.
6:21 - 'when you think of that period' - you had to go there didn't you... lol
I hadn't actually spotted that little pun. Sorry about it but I genuinely did not associate the use of the word. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Lol, no need to apologise, i just found it funny. Keep up the great videos.
Love your review, great as always. I just do not watch any movie that shows tons of blood. Sad to say, but I faint whenever I give blood or when I watch my wife give birth.
Only seen parts of this movie.
You'll be alright Bob because there's no blood in it, it's food colouring! And it stuck to Sissy Spacek like glue as soon as it dried. John.
Did you hear that dune 2 will be getting released on 70mm imax.
Yes Jesse. It will be good to see how good a 15 times lower quality looks when blown up onto the format. I think it might surprise but I hope people don't consider it a genuine IMAX and therefore think the format is crap. John.
Well true be told in the mid 2000’s and even with some modern trek movies they had a 2k DI and said they looked good. I’m flying down to the Irvine IMAX to see it. Conveniently enough, the timing for its releases with my spring break for college. So not only do get to see a great presentation I’m going home for the first time in five years.
@@jessechristensen6028 Yes, we might all be nicely surprised how good a 4K video can look blown up to the largest film format. It's going to be intriguing to see. John.
@@jessechristensen6028 Whoops, forgot to wish you a great trip with your visit home for the first time in five years. Bon voyage!
Why do some 4ks come with the bluray version as well? Seems a waste and surely would be cheaper without it?
I often wonder the same thing. Most of the time it's because only the Blu-ray contains all the extra features but not always. Sometimes it's a blessing that the Blu-ray is included because I've found six 4K discs (so far) that have developed a fault. I've replaced four of them so far but it's shocking when you're watching a disc that was perfect just a few years before when new but is now staggering all over the place. As for a single disc pack being cheaper, I don't know how much each Blu-ray costs to be pressed in a lab but the more that are stamped the cheaper it is so I wouldn't be surprised if they only cost about one pound each to produce now and maybe less. They do add to the weight of the pack though which puts them in the next postal charge bracket up here in the UK.
John.
Are planning to go to Dune part 2 at bfi IMAX?
I do hope to Timothy. We mustn't expect too much though as this is a blow-up from a far lower quality video master file but it will be interesting to see how good these 4K video shoots can look when put onto the highest quality film format. There was a similar exercise with Star Wars Rogue One after The Force Awakens had done so well the year before but Rogue One wasn't exactly great to look at on the 85ft wide screen. Still nice to see it on film though. John.
@moviecollector5920 I saw The Force Awakens in a theater, and I loved every second of it. It gave me something that I wanted for years: a chance to see a Star Wars movie, that felt like a Star Wars movie on the big screen. It's too bad that the following episodes pissed on the foundation that The Force Awakens laid out. I hope Dune part 2 will not do the same. With such an engenious director,it probably won't. I hope to see it in a cinema. We missed the first film. Will you do a video about it if you go?
@@timothymathetes I hope this sequel is better than the original Timothy because that did look poor in places but it did lead to an interesting discussion which confirmed variable results with the video file being projected in different cinemas. If I can do a video on the sequel though I will. By the way, I like the third Star Wars film in the last trilogy. The second one was quite poor but had possibly the best opening 15 minutes of any Star Wars film so it's not all bad. John.
@moviecollector5920 I saw your review of The Rise of Skywalker, so I know that you like it. I don't; too many things don't make sense. Like Palpatine: How is he back from the dead? And since he is back from the dead, why does he still look dead? It's all a load of tosh, as you would say.
@@timothymathetes No doubt it's all a load of tosh Timothy but it's so spectacular to look at that I couldn't help myself. The second film in that series didn't have the positive atmosphere of a Star Wars film but it returned for the third one. Now you know it's a load of tosh you should give it another try and see if you think a bit differently now. I may find I don't like it so much but I remember watching it twice for the review just to make sure I did like it as much as I thought. A bit of 70mm helped too. John.
You’ve been awfully quiet, hopefully you’re on holiday, not a problem.
Yes, been rather busy Gary. I did make a start on another projection box video today though which we filmed on Sunday night. 2001 in 70mm which I hope you'll find interesting. I'm also working on a Dolby Digital sound issues video that may see the light of day soon if I ever get the problems sorted. And then it will be HMV Oxford Street (the original store which opened 102 years ago and just re-opened a few months ago) and in there we purchased the 4K of Thelma and Louise which is probably wifey's favourite film so that'll be a review video coming soon. I need a vacation!
John.
No I'm on about this remake
Have you seen it
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No, I haven't seen it. I don't often do well with remakes but I think I've been told this one is rather good. I can't see anything matching up to the standard of the 1976 film though but please feel free to correct me there.
John.