I thought it was pretty cool how none of the racers wanted to drive their own bikes on the street! It's all about the ergonomics once you get middle aged or older.
They have a similar number of parts, and the SuperSport doesn't use bargain basement stuff so component costs are going to be similar. The SuperSport is also well put together. Peak power doesn't always relate to purchase price.
@Drone Strike They don't have a 955cc V2 with high zoot Ohlins, so you need to compare the cheaper 950 SS to it. And a standard 950 SS is still as fast as, and more comfy than an original 916. A great deal.
@@DonPulpote Is Ohlins really that big of a difference over Showa (or KYB or whatever the PV2 uses). Maybe if you're chasing tenths at the race track, but for those of us on the street 99% of the time?
I bought my RS660 two months ago. After doing first 300 kms I got first "check engine" light. That was quick fix with via the throttle calibration. Then I did 1st inspection and after software upgrade cruise control didn't work anymore. Then at 1600 km it literally died in the middle of the street. I was able to start it later but with limited power and "check engine". Exhaust valves have to be replaced. It has been at the shop for the last 4 weeks and I have no idea when I will have it fixed and back. 10.500 EUR is a lot of coins for such a nightmare reliability. I really regret buying it.
Boutique Brand's reliability strikes back . . . 😞💩 They need to get their 💩 together, this incidents, even if isolated don't bode well for small manufacturers.
Update, now it has been more than 3 months and my RS660 is still not fixed. They need to replace the exhaust valves and so far it was not possible to deliver the parts. However Aprilia lended me Tuono660 for the time of the repair so I am not suffering that much.
@@szymonchalupka Here in uk I would return it as unfit for purpose. Such a sweet bike, shame you had bad luck. Getting spares for my old Aprilia was a nightmare, which is why I ride a Yamaha now, but I still have a soft spot for Aprilia’s.
Cruise control IS a great reason! I find my right arm, chest and shoulder getting a tad sore after a long leg of a road trip on my non-cruise control equipped bike. Given the Ducati's mission/purpose and its price, lack of cruise control is a borderline inexcusable fault.
Who would ever buy this type of motorcycle and then grind kilometers on the highway? you Americans are a little confused. Go buy your Harleys if you want to go straight without bending.
@Lorin Sanchez no one ever said there was a long history of it. But you’re acting like the Ducati Supersport has the same purpose of an R6. They don’t. The Ducati is meant to appeal to street riders who want comfort and convenience while still being in a sporty package. And for $16k it would be nice to have cruise control. The RS660 Got that right. If you don’t want CC then great, be happy about the lack of the feature. But it’s not silly to wish CC was included by Ducati on this particular bike.
I got the SuperSport S when it first came out, '18 I think, been riding it for some years now. I rode it on the track 4-5 times also. I love mine, it is exactly what I am looking for, but everything they said about the bike is spot on. It excels at long swoops (just like they said), give me long curving roads (like, Route 143 to Tellico Plains) and I am in heaven until end of time. It is just sublime, the balance, grunt of the engine, smoothness, confidence, and most importantly, comfort. It looks amazing, is sporty but allows you to spare your back after 3-4 hrs. of spirited riding. Although it won't embarrass on the track, I really don't think it's good for the track (for the reasons they said). Too low foot pegs (in addition to exhaust). My toes kept scraping the track, and even if I tucked my foot well, the peg did, or the exhaust did, and it is just scary.. Not to mention, it is just way too pretty and expensive to use on track. There are other issues with it, for anyone serious about buying it, quick shifter is not exactly 100% reliable (especially on up shifts), the throttle is way too jerky and moody when the bike is cold, mirrors vibrate too much on the highway (maybe they fixed these issues with newer models), but, overall, I absolutely adore it and am happy as a hippo every time I am on it.
Appreciate comments from people that own what they are commenting on. Would you recommend as a first bike? I am genuinely not a daredevil cause I know it’s got way more than I “need” but I just love it. If actually responsible, do you think it’s a good one to get first?
first bike? it's an expensive bike, although it is certainly possible it's always a good idea to get good at a beater before you jump on a princess like her :))
If they sell you this as your first bike, they are monsters, and you are going to have one hell of an expensive scrape up. It WILL happen. You're learning. It's not a car.
I owned the RS 660, the Tuono 660 and finally bought the Tuono 660 Factory. That version of the 660 is even lighter, has a better suspension and a different front sprocket for even more fun in the first 2 gears 😄🤘🏻. And you can buy it for around 10.000€ here in Germany, which makes it a great deal ❤
Looks like you prefer the Tuono variation... I have a Tuono 600, but I'm curious about the rs660, and thinking of trading the tuono for the rs... why did you change to the Tuono, something about the ergonomics, the aesthetics ?
The Ducati looks like it costs twice as much as the Aprilia. I also like the longer wheelbase which will have a major effect on not so smooth roads. As an old guy, I will be buying the Ducati. It's not my first and it won't be my last.
exactly ducati should get in the game to and make a decent lightweight 100 ish hp bike that is track capable that the new monster is perfect 111hp less then 190kg wet weight decent brakes suspension and great electronics optionnal up down shifter all it needs is a faring and clip ons and it would be a killer track bike.
Wait. Does the American version of the RS 660 have the indicators in the rear mirrors? Sorry for you guys, that’s one thing I really like about the Aprilia here in Europe, that is has the indicators integrated in the sides of the headlights.
I hadn’t realized that the SS is so long. Given that I have so much appreciation for “flickability” I’m thinking that might *not* be my next bike. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
I also have a fear of commitment when it comes to these two... but you managed to make me miss the smell and the feel of a racetrack. Also, I wish you'd stop bashing the ergonomics of a sportbike. I've passed the half century milestone and I still ride a sportbike and I don't mind the riding position at all. Cruise control would be nice though! :) I enjoyed the video btw... nice work!
Very fun comparison guys! The general points and contrasts you made seem about like I was intuiting. I've owned a '18 standard Supersport for the last couple months which I think motor-wise and chasis-wise is the same as this '21, except for the high end shocks on the '21 S. It took me a bit to get used to the bike after having a speed triple as the Ducati doesn't turn as quickly with its longer wheelbase and it just kind of felt a bit wierd compared to what I was used to. But after gettng used to it I really like the way it steers and there's something satisfying about the thrumming motor. It's surprisingly comfy somehow and and it's punchy enough for me at 61 - and like this tests notes, its not scary fast. Where I live in Northern Ireland the motor suits the rarely straight, rarely super tight, rarely flat roads and it's fun to be able to hold the throttle open without going into hyperspace mode. The Aprilia seems like a cool bike too but I've heard, don't know how true, that parts might take awhile to get depending on where you live. The SS can also take factory panniers that hold 50L and factory heated grips if thats important to you. Finally, I'm surprised the test didn't mention that the bars pinch your fingers into the tank at full steering lock. Character :-)
People seem to have forgotten that this type of bikes existed before: Aprilia Falco, Suzuki SV1000, Honda Firestorm, even the old Honda VFR... These were great sport bikes that you could ride all day long. Sadly they went extinct, but maybe there are making a comeback!
Going from an fz6r to one of these aweso.e bikes is exactly what I've been wanting. I want to travel and be comfy and use it as a daily driver for work.
More than likely emissions/noise regulations have stuffed a sock into the midrange on that RS660. Front end of that Supersport is so much improved since the first release.
I own a Super Duke and a MV Augusta 800 rr Dragster Pirelli edition. The MV feels like a small, light bicycle that likes to rev. The Super Duke can practically idle everywhere with its huge displacement and torque. If I did a lot of freeway’s, the Super Duke with the engine idling. Same with this comparison, Highway’s go with Ducati. Less Highways go with Aprilia.
I love the look of the Supersport - probably my favorite Ducati right now, but I'm looking at this as a second "fun"/occasional track bike and I just can't justify the $$. Going with an Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory - probably the better bike for my intended use.
The SS is the 950 monster in Panigale drag, heavy AF at 465 pounds so even the extra 12 HP over the Aprilia doesn't matter + handles worse. The Aprilia is a way better bike whether RS or Tuono. If Ducati made like a 750SS that was a FR spec lightweight cornering machine w/clip ons that'd be very very nice.
The RS660 is 'close enough' in intent, performance, and design that if one is budget-sensitive, it's the clear winner... but if you're buying just one motorcycle, and ascribe to the 'buy once, cry once' mentality, then the Ducati is simply the superior machine - I've been up close with both, and the RS 660 frankly looks a bit like a cheap plastic toy next to the Ducati, whose premium price does come with some things (a better-integrated IMU, Ohlins, etc.) that justify the cost differential, not to mention a better dealership support network in many countries.
Nice vid, very interesting. If money wasn't an issue I'd go Ducati as it's more premium, I don't go on track & the greater displacement & torque would be a lot more useful for the type of riding I do. However the Aprilia is nice & an RS660 R/Factory would make me think twice.
I love both of these bikes. I'm an aprilia guy. I like pretty much all of their bikes. Ducati has the better dealer network. I wouldn't mind a ducati and I like a lot of their bikes too but a lot of their bikes have a couple things I don't like. Like naked bikes where the engine is completed covered in plastic and wires. Or like the streetfighter you look out over the handlebars and see absolutely nothing but road. Seeing an instrument cluster or a headlight and a little fairing is like seeing the bike's personality to me. Also horrible foot peg position. Every aprilia I've been on just feels balanced to me. Maybe a little less cutting edge styling but more usable for riding. I don't think this is a fair comparison. Nobody's comparing a RSV Mille 1000 with bar risers to an SV 650 which is kind of what this is. So what if the riding positions are similar. Ninja 250 probably has a similar riding position........
The big bummer for the 950 is the lack of cruise control. It's crazy that Ducati did not put this simple function on this bike. My guess: wait for the 2023 model and it will have cruise control. Then, it's the winner.
For me it is simple: Ducati stays Ducati and it must not be better in all discipline. Why are people buying for example cars that are well known not the best… because they have a soul and living with this soul is more as any feature or last part of perfection can give you. The Aprilia is lovely too and looks great. For me personally it is too sporty and the DUC is sorry but with touring characters and the sound and punch in the midrange is awesome 😎
It has become so redundant and cliche whenever people say liter bikes are "too much power", "never use it all" blah blah. How often do you use every hp of your car?
hi there, anyone has the heat problem with ducati supersport? heat from engine coming to the seat? how bad is it? commuting, summer riding...not higway speeds. thank you
Funny how an Aprilia 660 twin keeps up with a Ducati 950 because Ducati wants to tone models down so folks buy the bigger one....Time for Ducati to bump up the Supersport to bury the Aprilia (which they easily can).
The Aprilia looks like a Japanese bike with Italian stickers on it; whereas, the more powerful Ducati is unquestionably Italian. Throw a slip-on from Akra or Termi & you're good to go. L-Twin beats Aprilia's parallel twin all day, every day.
It truly does look Japanese. I kept thinking that while watching the video. And the color is HIDEOUS! It looks like something that has been crashed and repainted.
@@no_name4080Japanese bikes don't look bad at all and thats not what OP is saying. The R1 is gorgeous, as is the H2 as is the R7, as is the ZX-10R as is the Fireblade but Japanese bikes have this weird plasticky look to them which Italian bikes don't. The Aprilia looks sort of toyish and plasticky while the Ducati looks solid and much higher quality.
@No_Name rs has better tech, better engine for street use, and more street biased ergos so to each their own I don’t think one is better than the other
@No_Name That may have been true for a good 10-15 years, but of late they’re making killer bikes with a ton of innovation and are winning championships. Even their new dual sport is kickass.
@No_Name I think that’s fair. Keep in mind though, they always have top components like brakes, suspension, etc. whereas the Japanese bikes usually don’t. The new Multistrada and DesertX are pretty cool bikes too. The new V4 Diavel is king of the power cruisers too if you’re into cruisers, which I’m not.
Got a 21 supersport. Got the white it’s gorgeous would have went with the 660 but it’s to damn tall for me I’m only 5ft8. Didn’t wanna something I have to tip toe on like my dirt bike. Yea I can do it no problem but prefer not too. Plus my first bike I learned to ride on was a duc 916.
Exactly. Year 2000 CBR600. Cheap and very comfy sports bike that does 150mph extremely reliable and simple servicing. (Take note Ducati servicing and spares availability is shocking) . No electrics or abs though. R6 if you want more uncomfortable but sharper bike.
These reviews never tell you what happens if you buy these bikes and actually ride them. My Multistrada engine chewed up the crankshaft bearings in 29k miles. Don't buy either of these bikes.
Yep. Ducati, Aprilia, KTM, and BMW have huge reliability issues that no one talks about. Of course it's fun to blast around on a press bike for free for a few hours, but try to live with these bikes for like a year and then we'll talk. I don't care how "sexy" these Euro bikes are. They are overpriced, overrated, and unreliable heaps of junk. I'm neither stupid nor a child so I will never buy one of these Euro bikes until they sort their shit out.
Very interested in the Aprilia but the nearest dealer is 4 hours. After I move it'll be 5.5 hours. Wish they had something like a certified mechanic network or something.
There is a counterpoint. I ride a BMW F900r and it's by far and away the best bike I've ever owned. Everything about it genuinely makes me a better rider. But, I still find myself wanting another 50hp.
I'm gonna miss the trellis but the new monster feels lighter (obs) and eager to turn. I look forward to riding a future SS with the new frame. Still I will also miss the the trellis peeking out from under the fairing.
I own the Aprilia rs660 and love it. But... Why buy the 950s when I can get a Ducati v2 at the same price point? I think the v2, for being at the same price point, has more to offer and looks way better than the 950s. One note though: Ducati would be wise to start putting a cruise control option into their bikes
if you’d be torn if they both cost like $11k then thats ridiculous. the rs660’s only two advantages is weight and the cruise control. quite literally everything else is better on the ducati. especially the full ohlins suspension on the ducati, with the upgraded brembo brakes. the aprilias got brembos but they’re the cheapest ones that they had in the parts bin. seriously, if you can afford the aprilia, you can save for a little longer and get the ducati. i cannot stress enough how much better the ducati would be if price were not a factor.
@@KellerFkinRyan Price was a huge factor. Picked up a Tuono 660 a few days ago. The RS was a bit to tight for me. The ducati was twice the price. Easy choice for me.
Strange the flat spot in the 4-6k band in second. I have recently bought the 660 Tuono version and that is where the first power band is! I am running it in, so I can't say much more yet. But it is an amazing machine that handles beatifully in all situations.
Haha, I actually find that 'feature' a bonus! I live in a climate (N. Ireland) where it's usually cold to cool and I essentially never encounter traffic jams. The finger trap at full lock and the can't find neutral until fully warmed up fwatures are a minor pain in the butt tho. Still like the SS.
@@rogerdittus2952 that’s awesome! A friend of mine has the non S version. I spent a day on it in sunny California and I was pretty surprised at how uncomfortable things got! I did totally forget about the odd inability to get going until the bike has warmed up. That is pretty weird on a modern bike!
I'm buying my first bike within 60 days. I was going with the RS 660. But I've always wanted a Ducati. There's just something about them. Anyone have options on which on would be a better option. I'm a bit older than the average first timer 52.
You should have thrown price into the mix. Because for the same price Ducati is obvious winner it's just much more bike for the money. But if you have to pay 2,3, or $4,000 more for the Ducati, the Aprilia start to look much more attractive.
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Thumbs up for the old guys. That was a classy move to ask their opinion.
I thought it was pretty cool how none of the racers wanted to drive their own bikes on the street! It's all about the ergonomics once you get middle aged or older.
Only thing I don’t like about the Supersport is the price. No reason the S model should be that close in price to the V2.
Yep 👍
They have a similar number of parts, and the SuperSport doesn't use bargain basement stuff so component costs are going to be similar. The SuperSport is also well put together.
Peak power doesn't always relate to purchase price.
@Drone Strike They don't have a 955cc V2 with high zoot Ohlins, so you need to compare the cheaper 950 SS to it. And a standard 950 SS is still as fast as, and more comfy than an original 916. A great deal.
v2 has no Ohlins option, that for me is enough of a difference in price
@@DonPulpote Is Ohlins really that big of a difference over Showa (or KYB or whatever the PV2 uses). Maybe if you're chasing tenths at the race track, but for those of us on the street 99% of the time?
Great vid guys! Some of us might be older (I'm even older than John) but we are young at heart just with old bones, joints and muscles.
That hurts me when you say old bones haha
@@MrRGM10 vintage bones then....😁
@@jeannoelsandrazie1874 now thats classy haha
Oh, my heart says Panigale V4... but my back says NOT POSSIBLE!
I bought my RS660 two months ago. After doing first 300 kms I got first "check engine" light. That was quick fix with via the throttle calibration. Then I did 1st inspection and after software upgrade cruise control didn't work anymore. Then at 1600 km it literally died in the middle of the street. I was able to start it later but with limited power and "check engine". Exhaust valves have to be replaced. It has been at the shop for the last 4 weeks and I have no idea when I will have it fixed and back. 10.500 EUR is a lot of coins for such a nightmare reliability. I really regret buying it.
Boutique Brand's reliability strikes back . . . 😞💩
They need to get their 💩 together, this incidents, even if isolated don't bode well for small manufacturers.
After 3200km mine runs fine, only had trouble in December with the chain and road salt, nothing else 😬
Update, now it has been more than 3 months and my RS660 is still not fixed. They need to replace the exhaust valves and so far it was not possible to deliver the parts. However Aprilia lended me Tuono660 for the time of the repair so I am not suffering that much.
@@szymonchalupka WOW, good luck with the repairs.👍
@@szymonchalupka Here in uk I would return it as unfit for purpose. Such a sweet bike, shame you had bad luck. Getting spares for my old Aprilia was a nightmare, which is why I ride a Yamaha now, but I still have a soft spot for Aprilia’s.
Cruise control IS a great reason! I find my right arm, chest and shoulder getting a tad sore after a long leg of a road trip on my non-cruise control equipped bike. Given the Ducati's mission/purpose and its price, lack of cruise control is a borderline inexcusable fault.
Go to the gym or buy a mobility scooter. Throttles are so light now, if you can’t cope with that, a motorbikes not for you.
@@douglasalexander4348 Most of these bikes just need a throttle rocker for the highway drones...
Who would ever buy this type of motorcycle and then grind kilometers on the highway? you Americans are a little confused. Go buy your Harleys if you want to go straight without bending.
@Lorin Sanchez it’s hardly a silly complaint. Yes they are sport bikes, but they aren’t track bikes.
@Lorin Sanchez no one ever said there was a long history of it. But you’re acting like the Ducati Supersport has the same purpose of an R6. They don’t. The Ducati is meant to appeal to street riders who want comfort and convenience while still being in a sporty package. And for $16k it would be nice to have cruise control. The RS660 Got that right. If you don’t want CC then great, be happy about the lack of the feature. But it’s not silly to wish CC was included by Ducati on this particular bike.
I got the SuperSport S when it first came out, '18 I think, been riding it for some years now. I rode it on the track 4-5 times also. I love mine, it is exactly what I am looking for, but everything they said about the bike is spot on. It excels at long swoops (just like they said), give me long curving roads (like, Route 143 to Tellico Plains) and I am in heaven until end of time. It is just sublime, the balance, grunt of the engine, smoothness, confidence, and most importantly, comfort. It looks amazing, is sporty but allows you to spare your back after 3-4 hrs. of spirited riding. Although it won't embarrass on the track, I really don't think it's good for the track (for the reasons they said). Too low foot pegs (in addition to exhaust). My toes kept scraping the track, and even if I tucked my foot well, the peg did, or the exhaust did, and it is just scary.. Not to mention, it is just way too pretty and expensive to use on track. There are other issues with it, for anyone serious about buying it, quick shifter is not exactly 100% reliable (especially on up shifts), the throttle is way too jerky and moody when the bike is cold, mirrors vibrate too much on the highway (maybe they fixed these issues with newer models), but, overall, I absolutely adore it and am happy as a hippo every time I am on it.
Appreciate comments from people that own what they are commenting on. Would you recommend as a first bike? I am genuinely not a daredevil cause I know it’s got way more than I “need” but I just love it. If actually responsible, do you think it’s a good one to get first?
first bike? it's an expensive bike, although it is certainly possible it's always a good idea to get good at a beater before you jump on a princess like her :))
@@toostrong9508 hell no, not as a first bike, don't be silly.
If they sell you this as your first bike, they are monsters, and you are going to have one hell of an expensive scrape up. It WILL happen. You're learning. It's not a car.
“I think they could handle a track day, for shizzle”. LOL!
I really enjoyed this review. So balanced and not full of hype. Great convos too. Thank you for taking the time.
those guys really have good conversation material, its quite rare actually
Good stuff thanks! I'm 52 and still takin the Aprilia cc man.
as an rs660 owner i highly recommend you that bike
As a 51 year old rider who has one I can heartily recommend one too :)
I owned the RS 660, the Tuono 660 and finally bought the Tuono 660 Factory. That version of the 660 is even lighter, has a better suspension and a different front sprocket for even more fun in the first 2 gears 😄🤘🏻. And you can buy it for around 10.000€ here in Germany, which makes it a great deal ❤
Looks like you prefer the Tuono variation... I have a Tuono 600, but I'm curious about the rs660, and thinking of trading the tuono for the rs... why did you change to the Tuono, something about the ergonomics, the aesthetics ?
3yrs with the aprilia. No regrets
That Cruise control option sold me on getting the Aprilla plus it’s crazy how much the super sport s model has with no additional features
The Ducati looks like it costs twice as much as the Aprilia. I also like the longer wheelbase which will have a major effect on not so smooth roads. As an old guy, I will be buying the Ducati. It's not my first and it won't be my last.
What you said that the Ducati looks like it costs twice as much is 100% biased
Why don’t they just put the new monster chassis into the Supersport S to drop the weight and give it cruise control, that’s literally all it needs!
exactly ducati should get in the game to and make a decent lightweight 100 ish hp bike that is track capable that the new monster is perfect 111hp less then 190kg wet weight decent brakes suspension and great electronics optionnal up down shifter all it needs is a faring and clip ons and it would be a killer track bike.
Duh..They kill there own v2 sales
Suzuki needs to put fairings in the Gsxs750 to compete with these!
look at that gsxr750 , this class more like sv650 with fairings
Wait. Does the American version of the RS 660 have the indicators in the rear mirrors? Sorry for you guys, that’s one thing I really like about the Aprilia here in Europe, that is has the indicators integrated in the sides of the headlights.
I hadn’t realized that the SS is so long. Given that I have so much appreciation for “flickability” I’m thinking that might *not* be my next bike. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
Two words. Simply Awesome! 👍😎🇦🇺
Love your reviews!
I also have a fear of commitment when it comes to these two... but you managed to make me miss the smell and the feel of a racetrack.
Also, I wish you'd stop bashing the ergonomics of a sportbike. I've passed the half century milestone and I still ride a sportbike and I don't mind the riding position at all. Cruise control would be nice though! :)
I enjoyed the video btw... nice work!
Very fun comparison guys! The general points and contrasts you made seem about like I was intuiting. I've owned a '18 standard Supersport for the last couple months which I think motor-wise and chasis-wise is the same as this '21, except for the high end shocks on the '21 S. It took me a bit to get used to the bike after having a speed triple as the Ducati doesn't turn as quickly with its longer wheelbase and it just kind of felt a bit wierd compared to what I was used to. But after gettng used to it I really like the way it steers and there's something satisfying about the thrumming motor. It's surprisingly comfy somehow and and it's punchy enough for me at 61 - and like this tests notes, its not scary fast. Where I live in Northern Ireland the motor suits the rarely straight, rarely super tight, rarely flat roads and it's fun to be able to hold the throttle open without going into hyperspace mode. The Aprilia seems like a cool bike too but I've heard, don't know how true, that parts might take awhile to get depending on where you live. The SS can also take factory panniers that hold 50L and factory heated grips if thats important to you. Finally, I'm surprised the test didn't mention that the bars pinch your fingers into the tank at full steering lock. Character :-)
My old 2002 Ninja 250 pinched my fingers too. That was a long time ago, damn I’m old.
@@fivespeed3026 yup, Im with ya, but we should keep riding if we can :-)
Very good review! Thanks for the compare and contrast!
I see John I click like 👍
Same!
I find the RS660 very hypnotic.
I would definitely choose the torque of the Ducati, but they are both great motorcycles. Out of my price range though :-(
People seem to have forgotten that this type of bikes existed before: Aprilia Falco, Suzuki SV1000, Honda Firestorm, even the old Honda VFR... These were great sport bikes that you could ride all day long. Sadly they went extinct, but maybe there are making a comeback!
I have a VFR. Just a great machine altogether.
Going from an fz6r to one of these aweso.e bikes is exactly what I've been wanting. I want to travel and be comfy and use it as a daily driver for work.
How does the Yamaha R7 fit against these bikes?
Less power, less money. same as comparing a Panigale V4 to the 950s and 660RS
Now that leaves Yamaha to make an R9 would that bring it closer to a V2?
In real life since you got on the highway, what's the fuel range of the rs 660
50 mpg I think
1:09 you guys said do a thing. That sparked an idea ... let’s do the thing!
Riveting origin story! 🤣🤣
More than likely emissions/noise regulations have stuffed a sock into the midrange on that RS660.
Front end of that Supersport is so much improved since the first release.
Maybe a aftermarket exhaust and a re map might change things.
I like how the aprilia speedo doesn't skip any numbers
I own a Super Duke and a MV Augusta 800 rr Dragster Pirelli edition. The MV feels like a small, light bicycle that likes to rev. The Super Duke can practically idle everywhere with its huge displacement and torque. If I did a lot of freeway’s, the Super Duke with the engine idling. Same with this comparison, Highway’s go with Ducati. Less Highways go with Aprilia.
I love the look of the Supersport - probably my favorite Ducati right now, but I'm looking at this as a second "fun"/occasional track bike and I just can't justify the $$. Going with an Aprilia Tuono 660 Factory - probably the better bike for my intended use.
The SS is the 950 monster in Panigale drag, heavy AF at 465 pounds so even the extra 12 HP over the Aprilia doesn't matter + handles worse. The Aprilia is a way better bike whether RS or Tuono.
If Ducati made like a 750SS that was a FR spec lightweight cornering machine w/clip ons that'd be very very nice.
The RS660 is 'close enough' in intent, performance, and design that if one is budget-sensitive, it's the clear winner... but if you're buying just one motorcycle, and ascribe to the 'buy once, cry once' mentality, then the Ducati is simply the superior machine - I've been up close with both, and the RS 660 frankly looks a bit like a cheap plastic toy next to the Ducati, whose premium price does come with some things (a better-integrated IMU, Ohlins, etc.) that justify the cost differential, not to mention a better dealership support network in many countries.
Nice vid, very interesting. If money wasn't an issue I'd go Ducati as it's more premium, I don't go on track & the greater displacement & torque would be a lot more useful for the type of riding I do. However the Aprilia is nice & an RS660 R/Factory would make me think twice.
Right off the bat the Ducati is more of a premium bike of the two but the comparison is much appreciated.
I love both of these bikes. I'm an aprilia guy. I like pretty much all of their bikes. Ducati has the better dealer network. I wouldn't mind a ducati and I like a lot of their bikes too but a lot of their bikes have a couple things I don't like. Like naked bikes where the engine is completed covered in plastic and wires. Or like the streetfighter you look out over the handlebars and see absolutely nothing but road. Seeing an instrument cluster or a headlight and a little fairing is like seeing the bike's personality to me. Also horrible foot peg position. Every aprilia I've been on just feels balanced to me. Maybe a little less cutting edge styling but more usable for riding. I don't think this is a fair comparison. Nobody's comparing a RSV Mille 1000 with bar risers to an SV 650 which is kind of what this is. So what if the riding positions are similar. Ninja 250 probably has a similar riding position........
Which is higher insurance?
Hang in there John, a few years from now when most bikes will have the cruise control. You can tell them they have you to thank, in part.
I think it's already working, which is why it's such a glaring omission lately... would you buy a car without cc?
We all have BMW to thank for cruise control on bikes. They made it the standard when it came on the s1000rr
I’m sorry… but what’s the name of the musical piece used in the intro??? 😂
That Aprilia is just beautiful
The big bummer for the 950 is the lack of cruise control. It's crazy that Ducati did not put this simple function on this bike. My guess: wait for the 2023 model and it will have cruise control. Then, it's the winner.
2023 still doesn’t have it. Plus I believe they raised the price a couple hundred
@@ll.79272024, still no cruise. Wonder how many years this thread will continue.😆
If John doesn’t want to ride it with cruise control. The writing is on the wall or switch gear in this case.
That flat spot would be deal breaker for many people
Just have to wait and see if a re-flash would take care of it. Or if a Power Commander would clear it up.
where's the flat spot on the dyno graph then
For me it is simple: Ducati stays Ducati and it must not be better in all discipline. Why are people buying for example cars that are well known not the best… because they have a soul and living with this soul is more as any feature or last part of perfection can give you.
The Aprilia is lovely too and looks great. For me personally it is too sporty and the DUC is sorry but with touring characters and the sound and punch in the midrange is awesome 😎
Sorry, but which bike you can change the tires yourself?? It's not really clear..
It has become so redundant and cliche whenever people say liter bikes are "too much power", "never use it all" blah blah. How often do you use every hp of your car?
Until now I was thinking that I liked the RS660 more than the 950, but I realizad that I was watching the Ducati all the time during the video ahahah
Haha, very true, it’s beautiful. But, you can’t see that when your on it. Buy an Aprilia, ride next to a Ducati.
One thing about Ducati's , They always look Sexy ❤️
Usually, I agree but I don't get the looks of the supersport. It looks kinda dorky.
@@Fearless154 same, it's face has never gelled with me. Too beaky. I miss blunt rounder faces of the pre/early 2000's machines.
@Lorin Sanchez
Exhaust doesn't change the overall shape.
I don't like Ducati SS shape no matter what you put on it it'll still look dorky in my eyes.
So they took them to the track what’s the times ? Aprilia all day long cheaper and lights better spec better bike
hi there, anyone has the heat problem with ducati supersport? heat from engine coming to the seat? how bad is it? commuting, summer riding...not higway speeds. thank you
It isn't a big deal. In traffic in summer it can be a little uncomfortable.
Would love to see comparison between the Aprilia RS 660 vs Ducati V2
Yes cause the supersport is somewhat "detuned" road and touring version of the V2. So its fair to compare the rs660 with V2
Great and honest review, thanks :)
Funny how an Aprilia 660 twin keeps up with a Ducati 950 because Ducati wants to tone models down so folks buy the bigger one....Time for Ducati to bump up the Supersport to bury the Aprilia (which they easily can).
The Aprilia looks like a Japanese bike with Italian stickers on it; whereas, the more powerful Ducati is unquestionably Italian. Throw a slip-on from Akra or Termi & you're good to go. L-Twin beats Aprilia's parallel twin all day, every day.
It truly does look Japanese. I kept thinking that while watching the video. And the color is HIDEOUS! It looks like something that has been crashed and repainted.
@@no_name4080Japanese bikes don't look bad at all and thats not what OP is saying. The R1 is gorgeous, as is the H2 as is the R7, as is the ZX-10R as is the Fireblade but Japanese bikes have this weird plasticky look to them which Italian bikes don't. The Aprilia looks sort of toyish and plasticky while the Ducati looks solid and much higher quality.
The Honda cbr 650 r does the same thing as these two bikes and is a lot cheaper. Would have been nice to see it in this video :)
It’s actually not that far off In price to the rs660
@No_Name oh yah here the cbr650r is $9700 and the rs660 is $11300
@No_Name rs has better tech, better engine for street use, and more street biased ergos so to each their own I don’t think one is better than the other
sweet video!!!
Love the 360 mounting point you used for the track stuff, what is the camera mounted on?
A vest with a movable locking arm. glidegear.net/products/glide-gear-medusa-3rd-person-pov-camera-vest-action-mount-harness
which bike does the rider sit more upright?
Why do Ducati always need so much more displacement to make the same power as other 600’s?
2 cylinders vs 4 cylinders
@No_Name That may have been true for a good 10-15 years, but of late they’re making killer bikes with a ton of innovation and are winning championships. Even their new dual sport is kickass.
@No_Name I think that’s fair. Keep in mind though, they always have top components like brakes, suspension, etc. whereas the Japanese bikes usually don’t. The new Multistrada and DesertX are pretty cool bikes too. The new V4 Diavel is king of the power cruisers too if you’re into cruisers, which I’m not.
Got a 21 supersport. Got the white it’s gorgeous would have went with the 660 but it’s to damn tall for me I’m only 5ft8. Didn’t wanna something I have to tip toe on like my dirt bike. Yea I can do it no problem but prefer not too. Plus my first bike I learned to ride on was a duc 916.
Now compare a 2nd generation R6 to those two. What have we gained.. and lost, in 18 years?
Exactly. Year 2000 CBR600. Cheap and very comfy sports bike that does 150mph extremely reliable and simple servicing. (Take note Ducati servicing and spares availability is shocking) . No electrics or abs though. R6 if you want more uncomfortable but sharper bike.
Do a road review of the RSV4 21 EDITION
👍👍👍👍👍👍 THANK YOU for this video!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Any input from the masses on how these two compare to a vfr800
These reviews never tell you what happens if you buy these bikes and actually ride them. My Multistrada engine chewed up the crankshaft bearings in 29k miles. Don't buy either of these bikes.
Yep. Ducati, Aprilia, KTM, and BMW have huge reliability issues that no one talks about. Of course it's fun to blast around on a press bike for free for a few hours, but try to live with these bikes for like a year and then we'll talk. I don't care how "sexy" these Euro bikes are. They are overpriced, overrated, and unreliable heaps of junk. I'm neither stupid nor a child so I will never buy one of these Euro bikes until they sort their shit out.
@@fatsharks get a Harley 😂😂
What year Multi?
Let’s hope Yamaha do a sports with their 900 triple engine. The XSR 9 is so much fun on the street, cheaper and more power.
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The SS appeals to me on every level except it doesn't fit in my truck. Might have to look at the RS660 or Ninja 1000.
I heard that flat spot is only in the US versions. 🤔
Very interested in the Aprilia but the nearest dealer is 4 hours. After I move it'll be 5.5 hours. Wish they had something like a certified mechanic network or something.
Which country is it?
There is a counterpoint.
I ride a BMW F900r and it's by far and away the best bike I've ever owned. Everything about it genuinely makes me a better rider.
But, I still find myself wanting another 50hp.
My 2018 CB1000R had the same flat spot in the 5,000 rpm block.
Have to love emissions tuning.
Lol thanks for making this video xD i was torn between those two
I'm gonna miss the trellis but the new monster feels lighter (obs) and eager to turn.
I look forward to riding a future SS with the new frame.
Still I will also miss the the trellis peeking out from under the fairing.
I’m going with the RS 660. 👍🏻
The SuperSport just doesn’t handle as well and costs a pretty penny more.
I own the Aprilia rs660 and love it. But... Why buy the 950s when I can get a Ducati v2 at the same price point? I think the v2, for being at the same price point, has more to offer and looks way better than the 950s. One note though: Ducati would be wise to start putting a cruise control option into their bikes
The only thing lacking on this channel is the European opinion. I think the Euro angle on your reviews would take it to the next level. Call me 😎
If these were the same price i would be torn, but the price gap is enough to steer towards the aprilla. Strong chance ill be picking one up.
if you’d be torn if they both cost like $11k then thats ridiculous. the rs660’s only two advantages is weight and the cruise control. quite literally everything else is better on the ducati. especially the full ohlins suspension on the ducati, with the upgraded brembo brakes. the aprilias got brembos but they’re the cheapest ones that they had in the parts bin. seriously, if you can afford the aprilia, you can save for a little longer and get the ducati. i cannot stress enough how much better the ducati would be if price were not a factor.
@@KellerFkinRyan Price was a huge factor. Picked up a Tuono 660 a few days ago. The RS was a bit to tight for me. The ducati was twice the price. Easy choice for me.
RS660 OR Ducati 950 standard (not S)
We need some V-twin/P-twin japanese middle weight bikes with 90-100hp
Well if that new Honda hornet is coming stateside there it is….
Fun review!
If you have the money supersport all day but than again the prices are so close for the sss and the v2 now
The base SS is only $13,500, very doable for most folks.
Mind you ss is more comfortable and engine lesser heat produce. Keep that in mind.
I prefer a more raw and analog bike and you just get a better feel for the bike.
Strange the flat spot in the 4-6k band in second. I have recently bought the 660 Tuono version and that is where the first power band is! I am running it in, so I can't say much more yet. But it is an amazing machine that handles beatifully in all situations.
that is emissions tuning, where the test is done in 2nd at that RPM
I have had bikes with both shoa and ohlins suspension and honestly I can’t tell the difference for the riding I always do
The duck is just so pretty. Reason why I committed to one.
The diaper green RS660 doesn't help it's appeal here. The black is much nicer. The SS is about 3k more. Both great bikes, hard to pick.
You never mentioned the Ducati always on seat heater and how much fun that would be year round.
Haha, I actually find that 'feature' a bonus! I live in a climate (N. Ireland) where it's usually cold to cool and I essentially never encounter traffic jams. The finger trap at full lock and the can't find neutral until fully warmed up fwatures are a minor pain in the butt tho. Still like the SS.
@@rogerdittus2952 that’s awesome! A friend of mine has the non S version. I spent a day on it in sunny California and I was pretty surprised at how uncomfortable things got!
I did totally forget about the odd inability to get going until the bike has warmed up. That is pretty weird on a modern bike!
Rs 660 vs ducati monster 2021 plz
Of the two I prefer the Ducati. It just has more classic, less angular approach to its design.
I'm buying my first bike within 60 days. I was going with the RS 660. But I've always wanted a Ducati. There's just something about them. Anyone have options on which on would be a better option. I'm a bit older than the average first timer 52.
What did you choose?
@@1976gerbel Aprilia Rs660
Tuono 660 vs street triple in the next video, please
950…. Middleweight… these are funny times my friends
I got both of this bike and i love each of them they some how have their own character especially when you ride them side by side
Just purchased a RS660, unfortunately the supersport is 19k vs the 13 of the 660 where I live
cliche question... but could supersport has a chance to be a beginner bike?
Yeah.
Learned on an MT-03 for a month and traded it in during my 1st service at 800 miles for the SS. Just ride on urban or touring mode.
Guys, what's up with the audio quality. So much artefacts
You should have thrown price into the mix. Because for the same price Ducati is obvious winner it's just much more bike for the money. But if you have to pay 2,3, or $4,000 more for the Ducati, the Aprilia start to look much more attractive.
My man let his slang slip out at 6:23 lmfao