Formula 1 has a track problem
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2024
- Formula 1 circuits are are huge topic of debate within the community. Formula 1 has visited many different circuits over the years, with some still remaining on the calendar, and others either forgotten and abandoned. The shift towards street circuits seems to be getting more and more likely as the years go on, with Formula 1 racing at some questionable locations in recent years. What we have seen, are the effects after Formula 1 leaves a location only to never return, and the lessons F1, and race organisers can learn. Enjoy!
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They don't have a race track problem. They have a street problem. F1 cars are not street cars and shouldn't be expected to race on the street.
Especially not in ground effect cars. Maybe if they were last gen and had active suspension but we're probably not going back to those type of F1 cars anytime soon.
They dont have a street problem they have a money problem. Liberty are just milking F1 for its money and it is geting out of hand. Ever since they came in they have been killing the soul of the sport.
Back in the day street circuits were cool because f1 car aren’t usually driven in cities per se but now it’s overdone and very boring
Well said.
They're cars that are capable of racing on tracks such as Sepang, Portimao, Nurburgring, Hockenheim, Istanbul Park, Kyalami and probably Magny-Cours
I think 2020 showed just how much people prefer purpose-built permanent circuits to street circuits. Getting Portimao, Mugello, Imola, Istanbul and Nurburgring all back on the calendar was superb. When we're going to circuits where they say "we're limited to what we can do with the layout", then we shouldn't be going there.
exactly
Portimao and Mugello were not gotten back to the F1 calendar in 2020. they were brand new venues to the F1 calendar
@@maximiliannguyen1162 I know, I was more on about the other three, obviously.
Thanks for pointing out 2020 tracks, nobody brings it up. It was a pretty boring season overall to be honest with Hamilton winning the vast majority of races in predictable fashion. But seeing a slew of new tracks did spice things nicely.
For me lesson here is that F1 should mix up their calendar some more. Have a track for a couple years and then alternate.
Lets go to Malaysia for a couple years then switch it to the Hanoi street track, then let’s try Fuji speedway. I don’t know why it’s so _popular_ to cry about street races these days. Singapore and Las Vegas last year were two of the best races while we had plenty examples of boring races on purpose built tracks- like Hungary and Japan.
They should bring back the Hockenheimring, Sepang, Yeongnam and Buddh.
"Considering a track in new york" bro watkins glen is RIGHT THERE
Yes, it's in the state but 250 miles from the city basically in the middle of nowhere.
Yet NASCAR loves the old WGI track. Just saying…..
Watkins Glen is not really the middle of Nowhere. Within 5 hours drive there is about 50 million people. Toronto and Southern Ontario being at least 10 million all by themselves. NY, Philadelphia and Baltimore/Washington as well. A 5 hour drive means nothing to many Americans.
What the issue is for the Glen it is the lack of luxurious paddock and hospitality suites F1 wants. That and in the surrounding area, the 5 star hotels and hotels period are pretty scarce. The Jet set crowd isn't staying down the road in Elmira and Corning... Or up in Rochester to the North
No one fucking cares about it, real fans would go there too.@@maxfi878
I would love to see them return to the Glen, but I would also hate to see them turn it into a parking lot with track limit lines as well. Some tracks are better left off the calendar to preserve the good racing they offer to other series.
What saddens me is that we live in a time with by far the most racedates per season and at the same time a lot of great classic circuits have fallen of the calendar.
I just hate that we get street Circuits like the races in America just use road Atlanta or revive an older track like what happend to Zandvoort now it feels like a massive sell out tbh
Formula one bringing a race to the Midwest would be the biggest sleeper hit in the past 2 decades. Liberty seriously doesn’t realize the demographic they are missing out on. They are catering to all the WRONG American sports fans. Vegas and Miami are full of bandwagoneers. Bring a race to road America you’ll meet the REAL American open wheel racing fans and they will turn up in DROVES.
Could just go to Indy, its grade 1, its an historic track and they added a new section of track so the F1 cars don't have to use the banking if they don't want.
@@ColinsRacingChannel53fax, and if the pavement is such a concern then pirelli has the money to make tire compounds for that weekend only
@@ColinsRacingChannel53I’d get rid of Vegas and Miami for Indy and Watkins glen
For me, the great street circuit for F1® is only Monaco, Singapore, and Azerbaijan, while Australia and Canada is semi-permanent track.
Hate to say this
But I’m willing to sit through Covid again if we get the 2020 calendar back on
No Brazil, Canada, Japan and COTA though.
@@soundscape26 I'm fine with no COTA but it would be horrible if the others weren't there.
@@blobfishking9419 I'm fine with you just not watching F1 at all.
i lost a huge amount of respect for F1 after Mugello & Portimão. those two tracks provide phenomenal racing especially in WSBK & MotoGP. F1 crashes out on the main straight.
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You're right it's a race track problem. Because so many times they're just going to street tracks that don't work for cars with the scale and sheer amount of downforce the cars have. Cars with less downforce on street tracks work amazingly, formula E, Indycar have great tracks for their cars. But if they had f1 events they'd be abysmal.
No, F1 has a greed Problem.
For me, this is what makes F1 lose its title of "the pinnacle of motorsports". Indycar has better circuit diversity with a smaller calendar. WEC and IMSA have calendars stacked with legendary circuits. If F1 ever loses the Netflix crowd, it's going to be in serious trouble.
Being the pinnacle of motorsports has nothing to do with entertainment. It has to do with how advance the cars are, and how fast the drivers are. WEC and IMSA is much more enjoyable as entertainment, but it is pure entertainment and not proper competition because of BoP. It caters to casual fans that needs action to enjoy a race, but I guess the circuits are nice.
@@ihsanjayadi88, then it should be changed to the "pinnacle of engineering." Motorsports is about more than the cars, and the difficulty of the tracks is an important consideration in the prestige of a motorsports series. Also, I would confidently wager that both Indycar and WEC have a greater overall talent pool than F1 (partially on account of simply having more drivers and teams). So, F1 doesn't have it there either. F1 is desirable for drivers because of the money and history, but it has little else going for it at the moment.
@@ihsanjayadi88ehh… BoP in WEC making it ‘not a proper competition’ is just such a silly take. If anything it just heightens the competition at the track. In F1 it is essentially possible to win in the off season, that’s… actually a pretty bad mode of competition? In WEC, engineering matters, but not enough that strategy, and driving on any given race day is ever unimportant… so that’s fairly good competition imo?
@@flyingphoenix113 If it was not about the cars then it wouldn't be motorsport. It would be regular sport.
It would be nice for IndyCar to take advantage of this exciting real estate opportunity for international expansion, by taking over some of the classic tracks F1 abandoned.
"F1 has been at Silverstone since pretty much the beginning"
Understatement !
It's where the First ever F1 World Championship race was. That's a bit more than "pretty much the beginning"
There was quite a long period of time that formula cars exist but the “formula 1 championship” and it’s official history weren’t a thing yet.
Grand prix racing first came about in France in the very early 1900's.
Damn, Silverstoners are butthurt even when they do get mentioned, incredible. Lol
F1 races where the money are. Always has been and, probably, always will be.
It's not even the first time we experienced an overabundance of street tracks.
In general I'm not against street circuits. But I hate it, when a street circuit is used in a country, which has a beautiful, suitable and maybe even historic purpose build track existing already. Best example for me is USA and (if it happens) spain. There are some Grade A tracks already existing, like Indianapolis and CotA, which can both be used, as they are still quite far away from each other. And if the Madrid Street Circuit happens, I will hate F1 for going there instead of Barcelona or Jerez
For me, the great street circuit for F1® is only Monaco, Singapore, and Azerbaijan, while Australia and Canada is semi-permanent track.
I never liked Barcelona, lot of boring races since always, on the other hand, Jerez was quite badass back in the day, F1's last race there was Europe 97 and we all know how memorable was that race.. Spain 86 is one of my favorite races of all time as well, however organizers of Jerez got a lot to do so that the track meets F1 standarts.
@@AntenaDoF1 So, Michael Schumacher's controversy in Jerez 1997 is very memorable?
@@AntenaDoF1 I only agree for the finish of the Spain 1986.
@@RadityaPramanaPutra2001 It is quite, the word here is memorable, iconic, that race it's on the records of F1 HISTORY forever! Why not work back on that history? It's not because of the embarrassment, I assure you, I know F1 love work on the kind of controversies: Senna-Prost 89/90 is always remembered when mentioned together with the Suzuka track.
The problem with a Sepang (now known as Petronas Sepang International Circuit) race is that the tickets are too pricy for the locals resulting in less than desired spectator turnout. Even though it seems they prefer two-wheeled race, that's not really the case. They have F1 history and fans old and new. When George and Lewis stopped by, crowds formed everywhere they go. Asian Le Mans was even held there last year. If they could solve the ticket price, I'm sure this 7 year drought would come to an end.
Sepang is also difficult to get to. You literally HAVE to drive there because there aren't any public transport connections. Silverstone, Spa, Zandvoort, Monza, they all at least have bus services (and in the case of Silverstone and Zandvoort, nearby train stations) to get you to the venue.
@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Yes, Zandvoort has a nearby train station, but the closest one(s) to Silverstone are either MKC or Northampton. Which to Brits are fairly distant. There isn't a station in the village of Silverstone for example. Even the one in Towcester closed decades ago. Those two I'd consider "close", but not Milton Keynes Central or Northampton. And yes, I am a Brit who is employed in the railways.
@@mastertrams Thanks for the heads-up
I tried to buy Chinese Grand Prix tickets since I live there, tickets sold out in 15 seconds
I love Shanghai Circuit btw
Being locked in during the early stages of Covid pandemic was helped along A LOT by having one of the very best calenders in F1 for a long long time. So many bangers, glad Imola managed to stay on after too.
Miss mugello Istanbul and Portimão though
Seeing a track that hasn’t held a modern F1 race yet is always exciting. That’s why they mix up the calendar more.
I don’t mind street circuits, but I would like to see a rotating list of circuits, like one year we can have Zandvoort, Nurburgring GP, and Spa, then the next season, they get replaced by France, Portugal, and insert other circuit here
Agree. Back when the German Grand Prix is rotating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and Hockenheimring (2007-2014). 🇩🇪
And for me, the great street circuit for F1® is only Monaco, Singapore, and Azerbaijan, while Australia and Canada is semi-permanent track.
Won’t that cause a problem with ticket sales and profit for the tracks though?
I mean, lack of ticket sales= less profit was what killed hockenheim and Sepang
@@winterfrostarian Las Vegas had problems to be sold out
DING DING DING that’s what I’m saying.
They added Miami and now vegas..yet they have the Iconic Indianapolis and Daytona...heck i would love to see.them at Road America or Road Atlanta..but nope we got circuits that are more flash than anything
Indy lol come on the pathetic history
Probably can't due to existing series conflicts. Also, Indy is older than most F1 circuits so like, what?
Street circuits used to feel like a novelty
The issue is that Malaysia / Germany / South Korea can't bring people in to watch races now
Ticket prices are too expensive in Germany bc of the entry fee of F1
@@pet5er852, just ask non-Germans to attend. It works for Qatar, Abu Dhabi, etc. Very few of the people attending those races are locals.
Germans love motorsports so there's something to fix there I'm sure.
@@soundscape26 It’s that the government doesn’t want to pay the hosting fees as most f1 races have some sort of government backing behind them.
24h Nürburgring is one of the biggest motorsport festivals all year. Germans have no problem in showing up at a track in big numbers if the prices aren't prohibitive.
I love that Imola is back on the calendar. I feel that they should have put the money in to an older circuit like Road America, Watkins Glen ext. instead of Las Vegas or Miami.
In principle I agree, but I'd also be cautious with allowing redesigns for the sake of F1, especially if it's done by a certain Herman Tilke...
Las Vegas was objectively one of the best races last year.
As is they just announced that Madrid street track just hours after this video gets uploaded. 😅
Another thing that I could point out (though not necessarily). Is that some of these tracks are now more popular with other forms of Motorsport. Like Formula E, MotoGP or even the WEC.
But the interesting thing is that Formula E moves more and more away from street circuits, now having less street layouts in their calendar then F1
My bucket list Formula 1® circuit (by country, some with rotate):
🇦🇺 Albert Park
🇲🇾 Sepang
🇨🇳 Shanghai
🇧🇭 Sakhir (Grand Prix layout)
🇶🇦 A new permanent track for all FIA-sanctioned racing (Most probably not Losail)
🇿🇦 Kyalami
🇫🇮 Kymi Ring
🇳🇱 Zandvoort
🇵🇹 Portimão
🇪🇸 Barcelona-Catalunya but *WITHOUT* Chicane
🇲🇨 Monte-Carlo
🇨🇦 Gilles Villeneuve
🇦🇿 Baku City
🇫🇷 Rotating between Nevers Magny-Cours and Paul Ricard with better layout
🇦🇹 Red Bull Ring
🇬🇧 Silverstone
🇩🇪 Rotating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and Hockenheimring
🇭🇺 Hungaroring
🇧🇪 Spa-Francorchamps
🇮🇹 Monza
🇹🇷 InterCity Istanbul Park
🇸🇬 Marina Bay
🇯🇵 Suzuka
🇰🇷 Yeongam
🇮🇳 Buddh
🇸🇦 Most probably rotating between Jeddah and a new permanent track in Qiddiya (Still under construction) 🚧👷🚜
🇺🇸 Circuit Of The Americas
🇲🇽 Hermanos Rodriguez
🇧🇷 Interlagos
🇦🇪 Yas Marina
22/01/2024 23:29 At My Local Time.
I quite like this, and I'm glad you threw Buddh in too. What a track. Personally, I really like your list, but if it were up to me, I would remove Portugal and France. Both are quite dead imo
@@Ryanyra If you say 🇵🇹 and 🇫🇷 are quite dead, it's okay. Everyone's opinion is not the same, and I will assume it is your opinion, so no problem for me at all. Well, I also really love the 🇮🇳 Grand Prix, and I miss that, so that's why I include that. Thank you for like my list. 🙏
Completely agree but add in Fuji and Jerez as rotations
@@fefid2218 That sounds good. If 🇪🇸 and 🇯🇵 can do that, it's big surprise for me.
You have a 30-race calendar man, that's never going to happen. There's already so much discussion around the schedule with 24 races....
I love both street and permanent circuits in F1, I have nothing wrong with either, but classic ones get the better of streets, simply because the facility already exists there, they are apart of F1 history, and almost all of them provide great racing.
In my opinion I like street tracks but I do enjoy purpose built race tracks, I think they should find a way to get a majority of proper built tracks on the calendar, and 3-4 street tracks with like 2 year contracts and rotate to new tracks in different countries once the contract ends.
There are many forgotten race tracks that needed an upgrade for a clean up
Oh good old Hockenheim in the forest! As a child i was traumatized when they changed the layout and then again when they scraped it 😢
There's definitely some great street circuits out there, that said there's some tracks you just can't replace the appeal of like Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Interlagos, (yes) Monaco, Imola. And probably some others I'm forgetting off the top of my head though. The weird thing is though is the Fia already has a series in FE that's mostly street circuits so it is odd that they have such a thing for taking F1 to street circuits these days considering that...
Also, not to be overly dramatic, but if they replaced Silverstone or Monza with a street circuit for the British and Italian GP's I think that'd be the moment I tap out of F1 lmao...
How ironic. I watch this video and get newsflash: f1 decides that spain gp as of 2026 will be madrid street cicuit 😂
I dont understand why they dont do a rotating schedule every year for more tracks since they seem so keen on adding more events, esspecially because they cant really make the schedule any longer than it is.
Because the that would lead to funding problems for the tracks especially the purpose built tracks whose GPs are the biggest and most profitable events they hold.
One downside of street tracks I don’t often hear mentioned is that modern street tracks are ugly. With all the close crash structures and high fences they don’t end up feeling like you are in the city racing on streets at all. Part of the appeal of street circuits is the aesthetic of a track blended into a city. Monaco and Baku (and Vegas a bit) are the only tracks that really do this. Poorly designed street tracks just end up being most distinguishable by the color of the sponsor banners and a single iconic turn (like the fountain in Long Beach).
the GT winter series is meant to be racing at Valencia next month, I don't recall the last time I watched something happen there
This come out in perfect timing with Madrid being announced
I feel like there is a big similarity between F1 now and NASCAR in de 90s-00s. Especially when they announced that Spa might be on the chopping block. They are moving to street tracks (cookie cutters) in big new markets even though the racing is mediocre at best. In the process they alienate their core audience, and when the Netflix-audience has moved on to the next hype they will be left with nothing. NASCAR is only recovering a bit just now
Dream calendar (22 races):
Albert Park
Sepang
Bahrain
Baku
Istanbul
Imola
Barcelona
Portimão
Silverstone
Canada
COTA
Mexico
Brazil
Kyalami
Monaco
Nevers
Spa
Nurburgring
Austria
Monza
Singapore
Suzuka
So, if by Grand Prix title:
1. 🇦🇺 Australian Grand Prix
2. 🇲🇾 Malaysian Grand Prix
3. 🇧🇭 Bahraini Grand Prix
4. 🇦🇿 Azerbaijani Grand Prix
5. 🇹🇷 Turkish Grand Prix
6. 🇮🇹 Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix
7. 🇪🇸 Spanish Grand Prix
8. 🇵🇹 Portuguese Grand Prix
9. 🇬🇧 British Grand Prix
10. 🇨🇦 Canadian Grand Prix
11. 🇺🇸 United States Grand Prix
12. 🇲🇽 Méxican Grand Prix
13. 🇧🇷 Brazilian Grand Prix
14. 🇿🇦 South African Grand Prix
15. 🇲🇨 Monaco Grand Prix
16. 🇫🇷 French Grand Prix
17. 🇧🇪 Belgian Grand Prix
18. 🇩🇪 German Grand Prix
19. 🇦🇹 Austrian Grand Prix
20. 🇮🇹 Italian Grand Prix
21. 🇸🇬 Singaporean Grand Prix
22. 🇯🇵 Japanese Grand Prix
Am I right?
What about F1 at Le Mans After the 24h race ? … thy have everything set up , Fans can. Camp for another week … and seeing F1 cars rush down the straights through the Forrest with DRS is something I would pay to see
For some reason they all think the cars can’t handle it or it’s “too dangerous” but the drivers will race at jeddah no problem. Just an effect of the testing ban and cost cap. If you could actually test a damn car maybe we could actually learn if some tracks are worth going to.
You are spot on and make alot of sense.
This contradics greatly with the FIA.
The track would need big upgrades but I don't think it's impossible.
Bring back - Sepang, Hockenheim , Nurburgring, Turkey, India
Unfortinately it won't happened cuz it's too expensive to host gp in these places
Tracks that should ALWAYS be on the calendar: Interlagos, Monte Carlo, Monza, Spa, Suzuka.
The CEO of Hockenheim said they're nowhere near covering their payments by just selling tickets. They need money from the outside (government, big sponsors) who help them paying all of it (including the entry fee made by F1), which I think is the same for most of the tracks. And its harder to get that money from a government in Europe than in Qatar for example, just by the system
I do worry that the rose tinted memory of lost tracks would be found out by reality should some of the lost tracks return, but for saying that, Sepang and Turkey I would for sure want back. But I totally agree on the street track issues - I find them a real turn off, and SIngapore and Baku were pleasent surprises when Miami or Sochi are the more usual outcomes.
I think the big problem for purpose built tracks is people move near them, then complain about the noise, so it's hard to operate them near populated areas. Even Spa which is too far in the boonies for f1 apparently, has noise limits on public track days
The vegas gp was great to watch minus the practice mishaps
The big thing with street circuits is that they are a relatively low investment cost compared to a dedicated circuit. With F1 tracks now hitting billion dollar price tags, it is significantly cheaper if you can get by with just repaving the streets, building up garages and pits, and putting in grandstands and suites. Eventually, if the promoter of the grand prix gets tired of running the race, it is much easier to back out since you don't have a lot of property that needs to be repurposed.
this was timely
Sepang is such a must to bring back its not funny anymore. Its perfect for current cars
Honestly, I really do not want Losail to go just yet only because of that perfect sector, three you get such a launch out of 10 and with those 2 mini back streets and the triple Apex just makes it really good
If f1 went to London Sadiq Kahn might explode with joy when he can fine the teams with his ULEZ
I'm quite on the "despice" side of going into more street circuits than properly built race tracks, like Monza, or Spa... tracks like Las Vegas & Miami in the States; Jeddah in Saudi Arabia; Losail in Qatar are NOT places suitable of F1 because their status towards the public eye is rubbish.
Bring back tracks like: Nürburgring & Hockenheim in Germany; Istambul Park in Turkey; Sepang in Malaysia or even the Indian GP (Moto GP has gone to it in '23) instead of adding more bloody street circuits. Monaco, Baku, Australia and Singapore are enough street tracks per year.
AND PLEASE DECREASE THE NUMBER OF RACE BACK TO 18/20 A YEAR!!!!!!!!
Great vid as always man, keep it up!
On my fantasy, if Qatar is very serious about F1®, they are *NEEDED* a new permanent track for FIA-sanctioned racing.
And for me, the great street circuit for F1® is only Monaco, Singapore, and Azerbaijan, while Australia and Canada is semi-permanent track.
Could you imagine the bollocking that would be handed out by the public if there was an F1 race in the ULEV zone in London 😂
There should be one Grand Prix per country. Monza and Imola on a yearly rotation. Same for Las Vegas, Austin and Miami.
One Grand Prix per country is must, but for me Monza and Austin I enough for 🇮🇹 and 🇺🇸
we need a mix of both I think, some faster ones, some more technical, a good mix
I'm clearly an oldschool guy when it comes to race tracks. I want traditional circuits. There can be a few street tracks, but the amount of 'em should only form a minority in the calender. I want F1 to get rid of circuits like Miami, Vegas, Baku, Qatar, Mexico and so on and bring back tracks like Sepang, Hockenheimring, Nürburgring, Portimao, Yeongnam, Buddh and Istanbul.
for me the old track are the coolest i would love to see Indianapolis Nring Muggello or Magny-Cours in calendar i always cool to see how driving changed from Lauda to Senna to Schumi to Lewis to Max
A great thing I love about some race tracks is the area around it. The helicopter bird eye vieuws. The close cities. The nature etc etc. thats a big reason why I dont like the middle east races just because its a giant sandbox and there is just nothing around it. Thats also a reason why I love spa, its so beatifull and the forest and trees the hills its just all perfect. Street circuits also always look very great.
Also location plays a big role. I have been to spa a couple of times. Its a nightmare. I went like 3 times and my father went every year starting from 2003-2017 I only went "15-16-17" but my father said its been a nightmare every year. They also went every year with a pretty big group (people from work and friends etc etc) so we had a party bus and we stayed at this place like 1 hour away. Once you get close the last few km take like 5hours. Yeah it doesnt help that we are in a mega bus but still. One time we left at 8am and we got on track at 3pm... Its insane... Idk if its that we took a bad route or that the bus is mega and its all that but its somewhat a nightmare to visit. (And its hard to plan something and leave on time when you are in a group with 30 people. There is always someone late. +Some wifes and partners just went for the alcohol and parties so they didnt even care we almost missed the main show.... )
I went to barcelona 23 and it was a great experience. It was just me and my dad. My mom drove us and she just chilled with the dog at the beach the whole day untill we called to pick us up. We where in and out the circuit back to our camp site (only 7km away) in like 1hour. Thats from seat at the track (we had tickets turn 1) back to our seat at the campsite. Yeah it was handy we could walk and just meet my mom on the way and avoid traffic. Also the circuit is placed on the outskirts of the city and its pretty industrial so you can just take shortcuts and avoid the main roads. But its a world of difference between spa and barcelona.
I have also been to Nürnberg 2009 but I dont remember much from it....
Good logistics and acces can also really make or break a track
The big problem is that its quite expensive for the tracks to host f1 (i know it seems silly) but i've read that that were the reasons for the german racetracks to dont continue hosting them anymore.
The German organizers are willing to pay but not as much as other places.
I'd love to see a Greek gp as they have been discusing it for years and years.Who knows, maybe in a couple of years it will happen
I lose count the number of people who cry for a return of the old Hockenheim. It’s pure nostalgia. Did these people watch a race on that track? They were so painfully dull.
It’s a shame what they did to the old circuit by replacing it with the modern version, but the original made for boring races
We have so many purpose built race tracjs loved by everyone that are just rotting away. They were used recently too. We got istanbul, portimao, mugello and even hockenheim and the nurburgring. 5 races right there that will be good.
Personally, I prefer the purpose built race tracks because it also gives the area another venue that can host other events whereas with the street tracks, it can’t be used further events which view is a problem, because then it’s not actually proving to be a benefit it’s more of a hinderancewhereas if there’s a purpose built race track go, kart club can utilize it. It can be rented out for track days for people to do laps that it can be a place that serves a purpose for the community rather than the streets that seem to just disrupt the communities and the locals.
Well i live in Germany and am just hoping for the return of Hockenheimring/Nürburgring i live very close to both of these tracks and it really annoys me f1 doesn't go there atm
Nürburgring GP layout is one of my favorite track.
MotoGP can hold races at Hockenheimring, South Korea International Circuit, Sebring International Raceway, Circuit de Paul Ricard, Circuit de Monza, Suzuka Circuit, Zandvoort Circuit, and Bahrain International Circuit.
FIA WEC can compete on Hockenheimring, South Korea International Circuit, Buddh International Circuit, Circuit de Paul Ricard, Suzuka Circuit, Yas Marina Circuit, Miami International Autodrome, Marina Bay Circuit, Las Vegas Strip Circuit, and Albert Park GP Circuit.
FIA ABB Formula E races at Miami's Biscayne Bay Circuit (based on the original 2019 Miami Grand Prix F1 track proposal), Valencia Street Circuit (Formula E upgrade), Marina Bay Circuit (Formula E attraction), Baku City Circuit (returning back), and Albert Park GP Circuit (Formula E material at Lakeside Stadium).
I feel like the bar of attendance is too high for a lot of tracks nowadays. If FOM can't show the attendance figures mid race and the number isn't higher than 200,000 (just an example, I've no idea what the goal should be. I just remember than Silverstone is around 300k on average), then they will see that as a failure.
In the street circuit events it's easier for them to sell those ridiculously priced packages and get celebrities to attend, it's sad but that is their priority. Say what you will about when Mosley and Eccleston ran F1, they had racing routes and were mostly interested in the racing first (for the most part).
New York F1 track would be fire if it's in manhattan or something
Question if they make a street circuit and my house is on the same road do i still gotta pay to watch from my window
I think Monaco shouldn’t be a race. Do a time trail for few points and have it more as a celebration/festival to appreciate the sport. It’s no good for racing but I appreciate it’s history
F1 is no Entertainment Event like WWE … its a sport event ! I want Atmosphere … hundreds of thousands people camping around the circuit in the nature … you see all the camper and cars , you see their passion, their memories what race they have attended…you can sit on the ground in a forrest or green Gras Hill and watch the race … you can stand up and get a new viewing Spot ! … I visited Le Mans 2023 this is the kind of atmosphere F1 need !
What f1 can do is buy and emtey plot of land in the suburburs near a city and build a full purpose track. It a win win not disurption to road it close to the city so people can get to it and perminit track so no less barriers and some real racing
Bring back the first race I watched Jerez
I like Yeongam, i really like its layout and I wish korean gp would return but sadly i dont think it will ever happen
Don't worry it will be replace by another motorsports race such as MotoGP or WSBK
Swapping a Catalan track for a track in Madrid isn't about sports... It feels political 😐
We’ve had plenty of boring purpose built race tracks on the calendar over the years but the difference is that you can always modify a purpose built track to evolve with the cars and to give better racing. You can’t do this with street circuits, Monaco is the perfect example, it just becomes more and more of a parade every year rather than a race. Baku usually produces a great race and Las Vegas seems to have promise but my fear is that they may end up being an exception to the rule and we just end up with more Monacos on the calendar.
If they’re replacing Catalunya with Madrid that would just be devastating
i’m saying this an american whose only looked at tickets in north america. From what i’ve seen the tickets are ridiculously expensive. if they want more of a crowd drop the ticket prices
Expensive everywhere. F1 is about luxury and excess.
The fact that Monaco is still on the calendar should tell us everything. It makes a ton of money and the awful racing just doesn’t matter.
Grand Prix racing first began on street circuits. Street circuits from the early 20th century were replaced by permanent race tracks for a reason: BECAUSE THEY"RE BETTER FFS
There could easily be a separate F1 series just for classic/legendary circuits abandoned by F1 throughout the years... venues like Honckenheim, Imola, Magny Cours, Estoril, Jerez, Kyalami, Sepang, Aida, Nürburgring... heck, maybe even the Indianapolis circuit :)
(and yeah, I know many of these would require heavy investment - but one can dream, right?)
I actually like street circuits alot, I mean it's easy to forget that in the early days of f1 and racing as a whole almost every track was a street circuit, alot of them where just converted to race tracks later on. That said, I do take issue with replacing any established tracks with street circuits, such as silverstone, but in cases like Las Vegas, or Baku I don't really see the issue and think they're pretty cool tracks. I also think F1 need to choose whether they want stupid-fast cars on proper racetracks, or lower-downforce smaller cars on street circuits, because I will admit the current gen of cars aren't very well suited to street circuits.
Really miss pre 2002 Hockenheim
best german track ever
On my fantasy, the German Grand Prix is held with rotating between Nürburgring GP-Strecke and old Hockenheimring. 🇩🇪
Yeah it was better
2 races in Canada😮
Yet only 1 race in the UK where 8 of the teams are based 😅
I miss Portimao, Nurburgring, Istanbul Park. I don't miss Hockenheim or Sepang. I would rather see a track like The Bend than Albert Park (the changes have made that worse).
The first three tracks that you mentioned is one of my favorite track.
The most Nostalgic Tracks for me Are Monaco Silverstone and Spain
Ironic now they are trying to do a street race in Madrid
Getting rid of the procession that is Monaco would be a great start.
we need to rotate at least half of calendar every year to make racing interesting again
Same problem has IndyCar, more and more street races and less and less oval races outside of Indianapolis.
Losing texas was a massive L
Valencia is even worse than Monaco. Some races had 0 on-track overtakes. That track should never be on the schedule.
I don’t know why, but Asian circuits are really good. I really like the Shanghai circuit, the Korea circuit and the Sepang circuit, and it’s really sad 2 of those are not on the calendar anymore
Sad that shanghai is still on the calendar. sportwashing at its finest.
Hockenheim got me back into F1, that wet race in 2018? where Mercedes had their special livery and Hulkenberg crashed out in the Renault and Leclerc in the Ferrari
2019
@@JoePCool14 thanks. i wasn't 100% sure if it was 2018 or 2019. it was almost on the flip of a coin
The root problem with F1 is that the people who own and manage and run and promote the crappy tracks no-one likes are willing to pay the big bucks to have F1 there but the people who own and manage and run and promote the tracks everyone wants back (Malaysia, South Africa etc etc) aren't rich and can't afford/justify the big $ to make races there happen.
Hockenhiem was sold ouwt 2 times when seb was again when he had a shot at the win
Like Indycar the current F1 cars are too big and heavy to shine on street circuits but come to life on purpose built circuits, in the case of Indycar on ovals.
sepang got problems with F1 fans decreasing.. others event the ticket sales still good
I like the classic tracks. Gotta get Hockenheim and Magny Cours back. Nürnbergring too!
Korea back on the calendar would be awesome too (not a real classic though).
When it comes to street circuits, I’d happily replace a few we got now for Valencia and Sochi.
Magny Cours isn't really that great tbh. It's a fast circuit but it doesn't challenge the drivers that much. Paul Ricard would be fine if they just got rid of the chicane on the Mistral Straight tbh.
@@wiegraf9009 I’m a bit nostalgic
Would like to see F1 at Elkhart Lake and Watkins Glen . . . 😊
I like how Bahrain Short had one race and it just so happened to be one of the greats. 1/1 and will never be done again
This will be a bit out there .I don't like the Albert Park circuit that much .I prefer the Adelaide .Philip Island would be better still .This would need a dedicated train line .Or a coach terminal transiting from Melbourne .Alternatively a purpose built track on the outskirts of Geelong .This could utilise Avalon airport .Alternatively ? What about Bathurst ? May need some widening and some chicane work though .
Bathurst is impossible, F1 run off areas and elevation change rules it would destroy the soul of the track.
Ironically enough Eastern Creek would be the easiest to develop into an F1 track and with raging waters just up the road as well as several office parks nearby extending a rail line through the area makes not only financial sense, it would remove a lot of traffic going two and from the new airport and assist with the development of the governments push for more residential buildings in the area.
But none of that matters because no NSW government would enter a bidding war with Victoria to host a race in Western Sydney.
Grandstands in street circuits have terrible views and are very expensive, not worth the effort.
As a Malaysian, I really want to see more Malaysian GPs in Sepang. Hope they'll bring back Sepang on the F1 calendar. Also, I think a lot of Malaysian F1 fans will come up to see the race if the ticket prices are lower. I mean, the fanbase is growing here thanks to DTS and I think a lot of them would love to see an actual F1 race being held in Malaysia.
If they lower the ticket price, I think a lot of people would attend,
I would like to say i agree nowadays this is the isssue my favourite f1 circuits are
Hockenheim
Monaco
Magny Cours
Silverstone (brigde and priory)
Istanbul park
Valencia street circuit
Baharin (Endurance layout)
Can't wait till the
season starts
Sure having to drive 30 min plus to a track is a detractor for some. But reduce ticket prices to something affordable and track attendance might be closer to tv viewship.