Could An F1 Car Win The 24 Hours of Le Mans?
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- What if a modern Formula 1 car raced at Le Mans?
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Here are some facts that give hope that the F1 engine could complete the 24 hours:
- F1 teams do 3/4 days of 8h testing during preseason with a single engine.
- The current Alpine Hypercar uses a Mecachrome Formula 2 engine (with even more power!).
- Last year, a NASCAR car managed to complete the race with 0 engine issues. That car also had more power from that engine than a current NASCAR Cup car.
- The Acura ARX-06 has what was going to be the next IndyCar engine. That car has also successfully completed multiple 24-hour races without engine dramas.
- DTM. Their races last less than an hour right? Well, in 2003 a DTM car won the 24 hours of Nurburgring. A race that doesn't even have SCs to give the components a break.
- Cars like the Porsche 911 Carrera Cup or TCRs weren't designed for 24-hour races, yet they compete in endurance races all over the world every week.
- The Mercedes-AMG One has a current F1 engine in it. You can do thousands of kilometres with it.
- There's multiple examples of prototypes using F1 engines for endurance races when F1 engines were way less reliable (they had to last one weekend instead of 6-8!).
It's not impossible for the F1 engine to last 24 hours specially with a low power mode, "the lift and coast", the low temperatures at night and a dozen of 10+ minute pitstops. SCs, FCYs and slow zones would help a lot too.
-The a424 has a heavily modified v634 (alpine said in an interview), when others tried to use it without modifying too much it failed (ginetta g60 lmp1)
-The NASCAR had a gearbox issue and was only allowed to rebuild and continue because of it being a special class, otherwise would have been disqualified
But yeah, if they wanted to make it last 24hrs while being faster than a hypercar by modifying it, they surely would be able to, no doubt in my mind
I think it's very possible for an F1 engine to complete a full 24h Le Mans race. These engines get the absolute sh*t tested out of them in every way possible. People are reacting like an F1 engine is put together by 4 guys in a garage using spare parts. I understand the hold back but again when these engines are running on test banks they get pushed to the absolute limit.
@@haddenindustries2922People forget this engines run balls to the wall for most races that’s why they don’t last long. People also forget F1 engines get 800+ hp out of a 1.6 so they could probably bring it down a little and still be faster than HyperCard.
Didn’t the Garage 56 cars gearbox get shredded. I’m not a huge mechanic person but isn’t that considered an engine issue
The F1 car would also need a starter motor. Because during pit stops cars have to turn off the engine. You can't just turn off and on an F1 car.
The F1 car would break down, can’t simulate reliability here
I think there's a decent chance to complete the 24 hours without breakdown but we'll never know!
@@THEWINDTUNNELwe need garage 56 f1 car
Reliability: F1 car wouldn't have the longevity to function for 24h. Also: night time.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL If we consider the engine rules and the average, if we say that F1 cars generally change engines every 6 races, 6 grand prix equals 1800 km. But at Le Mans, those in the hypercar class travel 4700 km. I think it's enough to understand whether they will succeed or not :D
@@dabyamunny You're only including the race, what about free practices, qualifying, sprints and tests? It's a LOT more than 1800km, only in FP2 they do a race long driving
While i highly doubt a F1 car would last the whole race,better to not give Max any weird ideas.
Next year: Red Bull garage 56 entry.😂
@@mase8832"Simply,Simply lovely!"
I guess if you modified the F1 to allow for refueling and have the engine turned way down to last all 24 hours there's a possibility of winning. It would be an interesting project.
Did you saw what happened to the Alpines’s f2 engine during Le Mans? Maybe that will clear things up ahahaha
@@emanuelcosta4023 Yeah but weight makes a difference I would guess 🤔
@@professoroflogic8788it’s not the weight, it’s the reliability aspect! The gearbox itself changed gear almost 25000 times. F1 engine and gearbox just aren’t designed for that type of use. You would have to put an entirely different PU in them to compete
@@crazysoundman Hmmm 🤔 maybe add one of those cool cvt transmissions from a Prius?
@@professoroflogic8788 we saw what happened to an f1 engine last time they did so, and a CVT is way too unreliable
Good over 1 Lap and good over 24hrs are very different things
The F1 car probably won't survive, the engine isn't built to go that far
not to mention the tires, it'd lose way too much time in the pits
@@kuramisaga Le Mans is a race where you are fuel-limited, not tyre-limited like in an F1 race. You are 90% of the time flat out so tyre wear is minimal. Teams will quadruple-stint tyres at night in real life. That's almost 4 fuel tanks on the same tyres (4 hours!). If F1 tyres can do over 2 hours at Monaco turning the entire time (even with Pirelli's softest choice) why wouldn´t they last 2 hours here?
Unlikely but not impossible, had to go with the best case scenario for this one!
@@kuramisagaI can guarantee that the hardest compound could last at least 20 laps. And the F1 is over 20 seconds a lap quicker. Hoing to pits for a tyre change definitely doesnt take more than a minute even considering a slower time on an out lap. F1 is faster even if it has to pit 4 times and the hypercar pits once. The thing is that the engine would most likely need to be slightly detuned to survive 24 hours. But even with 800hp instead of 1050 it would be faster.
That track is an insanely low tyre degradation one.
F1 car after the straight: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Le mans car after the straight: bro im chillin
In addition to all the engine reliability concerns, to make an F1 car legal to run on this circuit, you would need to add fenders, lights, necessary safety requirements, and a starter. At that point, you would basically have an LMP1
This is a good theoretical video though
Funnily enough F1 cars today can start themselves with their hybrid battery pack haha
They won’t need a starter
The F1 car would last around 10 laps on the mulsanne straights before it started falling apart.
Everyone is hyperfocused on the engine not lasting that long, and, while that's probably true, I don't think the general public realises just how bumpy the road is on those straights.
Not only would the suspension break apart, the floor of the car wouldn't survive long either if they were to use the normal ride height that makes the whole car work.
Thanks god somebody finally point the Real problem for an F1 Car at Le mans
Plenty of street circuits on the F1 calendar. Some of them are very bumpy. An F1 car would not 'fall apart.' The car is incredibly strong in the loads of which it is designed. Teams run the F1 car as low as they can get away with for the F1 race weekend so the maximum skid block (plank) wear is not exceeded. This skid block is not integral to the structure of the car. It's just bolted onto the bottom of the chassis. An F1 car might be run slightly higher and the wear would just be tolerated. The fact is an F1 car by design has a massive range of potential setups and the team would find one that worked at the circuit. They can probably still do 300km on a single tank of fuel at a circuit like Le Mans. Refuelling however is not fast like it used to be. The REAL technical problem is the tyres which even on the hardest compound are simply not designed to last much more than an hour's running at racing speed. The human factor is also a potentially difficult issue, F1 cars are not designed to be comfortable for 3 hours at a time or whatever like a Le Mans car with big drink bottles, air conditioning, more room for the driver etc
Max is just sidequesting 😂😭
Always have been mate that's max verstappen
Never verstoppen
F1 are faster than Hypercars, but they don't even have 50% of the durability
True so it would have to avoid collisions but I think the engine and gearbox would be able to last the 24 hours in certain power settings
@@FerrariF1Team The gearbox would fall apart in 3 hours. Hypercars change gears more than 25.000 times during Le Mans. An F1 gearbox dies around 3k gear changes.
@@nckSEVEN794Says who?
@@nckSEVEN794 Drivers have a gearbox per 6 races... which they're running for at least a hundred laps, with what 35-70 ish changes per lap... If this was true they'd need way more gearboxes.
A better question is how long would an f1 car last in a 24 hour race
Give or take. if it survives the mulsane I’d say maybe like 5-6 hours even with the car saving
@@pcbloxnews wow a reasonable and honest take from a racing fan?? Am I dreaming??
@@codycherrington2314 lmao tbh its mainly the fact that f1 cars run sprint no matter how detuned they are for reliability they either are still unable to handle the constant wear and tear from the track + doing so to much is going to make the car off pace. People dont understand that F1 cars are to fragile and too picky on conditions to deal with Le mans especially on the mulsanne straight after 25 laps the engine would be screaming for help, Suspension would crumble. To sum it up someone else in the comments said "It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions."
@@pcbloxnews alright alright don’t need to flex your knowledge now you did your part
I don't think that F1 cars would be able to withstand the contact in terms of bodywork, trips through gravel, etc. I also think that in-race refueling would pose a problem.
It's like we took Usain Bolt's time in the 100 m. of 9.72 and then we extrapolate it to the distance of a marathon, to say that he could run a marathon in 68 minutes, under ideal conditions.
I dont think f1 cars are meant to run 24 hours nonstop tho
Neither are nascar cup cars, and that handled le mans pretty well
@@TriplePProductionz with a LOT of extra tunes
@Sliced_Bread1 mostly to the aero and chasis. The engine was almost exactly what they used in nascar, just with a lifted power restriction that raised the HP from 670 to 750
@@TriplePProductionz Exactly!
@@TriplePProductionzwell they do run a lot at max revs for 4 hours at a time anyways
Awesome video!! But this don't take into consideration that F1 cars go through heavy repairs and restoration after each weekend. Engine oil would need refilling, gearing would need oil bath, many many parts go through so much care, that we can't figure out. 99% chance F1 wouldn't last more than 5 hours. So a typical Garage 56 in my eyes.
Plus, some can argue that a modern F1 car's engine can last long now, but they forget that it was through multiple "down time" as well by not running at all between races, while a Le Mans Prototype achieved that number over the whole weekend of nonstop running.
Also,i don't think F1 cars are that comfortable to be in for so many hours,even with driver changes,LMPs,Hypercars and GTs have to go through hours lasting races in most part of their lives,F1 cars rarely reach the 2 hours mark per race.
shouldnt the f1 car refuel in pit garage with extremely slow fuel flow rate
F1 cars are not designed to run that long.
Le Alpine: very funny, but le real question is "could a F2 win the 24h of le mans?"
If they severely detuned it. That engine running at 15000 RPM for wouldn't last 2 hours let alone 24. Looking at you, Mazda
F1 engines never get to 15000rpm anyways, they shift at around 11800rpm and its easy to detune the engine and still have a speed advantage over the Hypercars
If they use longer gears detune the engine and make it more electrical like the 2026 regulations wouldn't it be more reliable?
Hello, great video ! Appreciate it 🔥
I was wondering which mods did you use for the hypercars ?
I don't think F1 car's gearbox is rated for a continuous run. Sure it can last the distance, but F1 race are not a continuous 24 hours of runtime
I'd also be interested if you throw in a Porsche 919 in there, and see how big of a difference LMP1 could make.
With the amount of time on the straights I reckon the F1 car would overheat after a couple of hours.
It's not continuous, there's a 12-minute stop every 2 hours!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL A regular F1 engine would be taking a week break vs 12 minutes
You're also forgetting about all the practice and qualifying sessions for F1. They are more durable than you think now adays
That shit doesn't last 24 hours
Considering they only are allowed to use 3 engines the entire season, Including all practice, qualifying, and any sprint qualifying races without penalty, yeah, it's possible it could last.
@@surgemeister01I know
Great concept and video, did you use Assetto Corsa to simulate the 24 hour race, or another game.
If you can, please watch the 24h of le mans this saturday its so much better than f1
WEC and IMSA are so much more interesting to watch. So much more strategy, skill, and team work is involved, and a lot fewer prima donnas. F1 racing is fine, but I find it closer to NASCAR than endurance racing. Le Mans has 3 car classes, not to mention amateur drivers, so you have much more complex traffic to negotiate.
Agreed
I actually did but i doubt i could ever watch it properly, i fell asleep like 5 times, but it was great though. The 6hour races are fine though, and I'd like to check out supergt but it's a pity it's only in English sub. Imsa I'll need to check out too
F1 nowadays is more about the history behind it, how teams got to this point, while le mans is still interesting because it last longer
What game did you use to simulate this???
This is like the best video you've ever made! But im surprised you didnt run the engine on a lower mode
Lapped traffic would be a nightmare for the F1 car.
WHAT IF:
You were to race a Formula One car, an IndyCar car, a NASCAR Garage 56 Camaro from the 2023 Le Mans race, a 1976 Dodge Charger that ran over 600 horsepower, a 1976 Ford Torino, a DeltaWing (all
types), a Mazda 787B, a Jaguar XJR-12, a Porsche 917, a Porsche 936, and a Chaparral 2F on the same circuit at the exact same time? Modern open wheel cars, classic Le Mans cars, and even the most UNIQUE cars to ever race on the Circuit de La Sarthe.
as soon as i read the title i was like "no, never. the engine would die" lol
If it were the 2 hours of le mans and the car and extra ride height for the bumps on the public road parts, maybe
U should have done this with the F2004 with Slicks 😁 Maybe u can make a vid of the F2004 with slicks doing 24 hours of Le Mans ?
Thank you for listing the price in case I want to buy one of these
I'm afraid you can't buy these, however you can actually buy a Ferrari 499P Modificata for just 5.1M €!
How did you get the Le Mans Track AND F1 Cars in one Game????
It’ll last, just until the sun goes down.
people worried about the engien and gearbox lasting, forgetting that the F1 car has no lights for Night racing.
You could add some lights, but how would that effect the weight, balance, laptimes
Do you actually keep your PC on for a whole day lmao
Also great video. Maybe your best.
Probably with a bunch pf mods to make the engine last over 48 hours its possible if there is no contact chassis may need to be modded as well to tolerate more damage
Would you consider something like this for F1 at the Indy 500?
Obviously the Indycars will have the speed advantage, but would the range of an F1 car be enough to make it compete over a race distance? The F1 car could theoretically 2 stop the race on fuel, so whether the hard tyres would hold on to make that possible is a question
That would be quite interesting isn't it? 🤔
Which downforce setup did the F1 car used? I believe Le Mans would demand some setup like Monza
Very well done. F1 should have used Garage 56 though. :-)
Some link of the mods pls?
Can you make a 3 lap version of this?
Wouldn't be any different than the first race, the F1 can easily run flat out for 3 laps
Next one, F1 car in the Montecarlo rally snowy night
Don't suppose you recorded the entire race? I'd definitely watch the entire thing...
The F1 engine would lose considerable horsepower during the 24hrs as well and that’s with a factor detuned prior to starting the event. They’re unbelievably high strung
How would the F1 car run at night? Need to add lights = extra weight. Also, no tyre warmers allowed now, how does that impact it?
Now Race with GT3 and LMP2 cars😁
Did you really do it, in real life?
Good experiment. I remember kinda pitching this idea on your f1 vs lmh video?
Which F1 vs lmh video? I don't think I've ever done that before 😅
@@THEWINDTUNNEL oh. Huh. Maybe it's another channel. Lol. I forgot who or if it was you. But basically, I think the video was an F1 vs LMH one lap. And I suggested to instead maybe try a full GP race, not exactly a 24 hr race. I think you did better taking into account other factors. But we'll still never know. Anyway, can you do a group C vs LMH, or Group C old vs 1991 Group C era? Like xjr9 vs xjr14 race.
They should do a Garage 56 style thing w a formula 1 car. I like all the considerations that were made in the simulation!
endurance race are totally different with formula cars especially on their strategies, in endurace teams principals searching how to running this cars without any problems for 24 hours, if see in this video RB20 just 3 laps can overlaping the backmarker of hypercar's, this is of course different from the main goal. but if u see into the f1 sprint when all teams using the full power because of just 100km racing, the formula cars it's designed for full power racing and if u see the normal f1 race around of 50-70 laps (depending on the circuit distance) the first of laps all teams using full power for reaching front row podium position but if the racing already reach over 15 laps all teams using endurance strategies to maintain tyres or fuel to unexpected event for overtake opponents teams (excpet. for qatar 2023)
What game?
Not only the reliability would be a problem also the weather, we all know that the Night which was mostly „skipped“ in this Video would be the part that would show if a F1 Car would perform. And we also know that it rains nearly every LeMans race which would also make the F1 Car Slower
I'm amazed that it was this close tbh! Tbh in reality I think the F1 car would probably have an accident, since they're more fragile than hypercars and it's extremely difficult to do 24 hours without any contact at all.
W11 vs Porsche 919 Evo in Le Mans ❤
A modified f1 car would be an Intresting g56 entry
Lack of headlights might be a problem..
first you need to detune the engine to be similiar output to amg one to even make it capable of doing endurance
What sim or game is this?
Assetto Corsa with a lot of mods 👍
Can you do a gt500 simulation as a garage 56 entry
Sure!
I wish garage 56 would do this
You can imagine what would happen if one entered. But with better regulations, shrimp Garace 56 would be epic.
Brake changes as well as other maintenence would have to be made that could cost severel laps each pit stop for the F1 car. That and driver changes. I dont think an F1 car would be able to do this flawlessly.
It`s also worth mentioning that 499f is quite slow prototype, maybe group C level. Porsche 919 or ts050 are much faster
Biggest Problem: F1-Cars don't have lights so they don't see at night an must box all night.
An F1 engine has to last 8 races during the season, unless it was really turned down on power and longer gear ratios... it wouldn't last 24h at the same level of performance it was made.
i think one of the biggest issue of the F1 will be the reason we can't race F1 cars in Sebring; the track. The Mulsanne Straight is an open road the rest of the year, and as i went by myself i can tell it's too bumpy for them and i think F1 will take a lot of damages from it.
And this is ONLY with the Hypercar grid. Add LMP2 and LMGT3, it will be EXTRA painful to stay cautious.
Also, just to give the F1 extra win, they definitely gonna run the Monza Setup. Small wing, minimal wing adjustment.
people here talking about durability whereas, without refueling, it's over in 1.5 hours for him
For race in Le Mans we will need a Hyper Hard set
Nah, the C3 can already do 100 laps at Monaco 😂
They would need a very special tire compound that wouldn't implode 30 laps in like curent Pirelli, and can withstand an F1 torque and power which curent LMPH tires probably can't
The lack of grip alone would cost it a bit
Then you got the fact these cars are super fragile, if they lose a little of bodywork their advantage would drop exponentialy
Also
You forgot the most important factor that can stop the F1 car dead on its tracks
Rain
Rain wouldn't affect the F1 car. FIA though...
Hella entertaining video! Enjoyed this! 👍
Thanks ;)
if only they do an exhibition race for f1 to race the full course once. redbull prob will have the balls with
Anyone talking about reliability, here the major problem (other than durability of components etc.) is the stamina of the drivers, F1 is more challenging, a stint in a F1 car is insane, no one can resist, need more drivers and more pits.
While maybe the F1 engine could last 24h, what you aren't taking into account is the stresses of every component down to it's last nut and bolt, it would need lights installed, it's made for the perfect race, not a 24 hour one so it would inevitably take damage to the floor by running over kerbs, it would take a monumental beating, I'd be surprised if one finished the race. To add to that also, Le Mans Hypercars are made to endure a GT car turning in on it, F1 is not so one small mistake in lapping GT traffic, one that every team makes and suddenly F1 car is out
Sorry bro, but as a driver from Road to le Mans last week, I can tell you that changing breaks is most faster than you simulated… On a GT3, I took a chrono of 1 minute and 15 seconds to change 4 tires and front breaks with only 4 guys working on the car (it was amazing to see it btw !). So considering 5 minutes for all four seems to be more realistic if the guys are a bit low 😅 Nice sim btw, thx for your content !
Wow that's so cool, hope you had fun. The thing F1's brakes are WAY more complex that the one's in a GT3 car. Other components (bodywork, suspensions, oil refills) would have to be changed too. That's why it takes that long.
what abt the cluch
F1 cars are naturally fast, light and has so much grip you could drive it /efficiently. def can drive 24h and perform well if pilot controls the car efficiently.
they would also probably only run the F1 car on hards so it has a huge unfair advantage here
No one:
Max: "drink red bull"
LETS DO THIS!!!
The only way I see an f1 car getting onto the Le Mans Grid is under Garage 56, and even then would probably need to be a detuned older car to even think about surviving the race distance, unless they tone down the horsepower that engine wont last 24 hours
It could if you allow it to have engine swaps.
I'd make the f1 car use the f1 tyres so they would have to make many more pitstops
If there is any team Insane enough to attempt this it's definitely RedBull.
If the engine didn't die first the car would break well before the 24hr are up
Good video, however the F1 car would no doubt employ tactic such as not going flat out to extend runs in between stops.
The breaks and suspension would be beefed up to cope so its stops would be shorted and less frequent.
An easy win for F1
Doing "the mazda" with the engine, they easily could win this.
on paper yes but actually no, like vegas, the straights in le mans are just too long and f1 engines are not designed to run in such long straights
Funny that a car powered by a Cosworth DFV V8 (an engine originally designed for F1) won Le Mans, twice.
Lots of components of the F1 car have a limited amount of time they can be used before they have to be replaced. Brakes, suspension, wings, and so on. The Brawn gp car from Jenson Button f.i. can not be driven in anger any more because a lot of those parts must be replaced, but there are no replacement parts.
So, a F1 car can not do the 24 hrs without spending hours in the pits.
Some other things, they can not be refuelled quickly, they need loads more tyres than the Hypercar, have no lights, no lightened number on the side and I doubt if they can be driven as low to the ground as they need for the ground effect to be maximized. The Mulsanne straight has a crest in it and ruts from lorry's.
Well, they can't refuel. So that's going to be an issue about 2hrs into the race 🤣 (I'm sure you mention this, just had to be said)
With 30 sets of tyres, 15 refueling stops and 3-5 times brake changes, maybe 1 gearbox, and Monza Setup and short shifting possible. And 3 similar drivers. Over 50 % finishing rate. In the 2000's impossible.
what is this game?
Assetto Corsa
Try and drive the f1 car during the night without any lights on the straight + the f1 car not having lights either. Also add lapped gt3 cars and the f1 car will suffer a retirement at 01 am 😂. In any case, thanks for simulating pace on similar conditions, this is a big question I think
A lot of people sayin the f1 would break down! I think if they run it at like 70% it would still be faster than the hypercar, and that would put less stress on the f1! Let’s not remember guys the last few years these f1 engine has became pretty reliable
I know it’s not the same engine (1.6L vs 3.0L) but Isotta sounds exactly like an F1
A f1 can do it but by the end of the race it will be nearly 150 laps behind the leader as it can be refuelled in the pit lane it has to do in the garage to be refuelled and cant take up to 20mins to do so
The F1 car used the same refueling system as the rest of the cars in the race
If you could prep an F1 car for Le Mans I am pretty sure they could run for 24hr.
The engine would be tuned down and the driving style would be less agressive than what you see in a GP but they would still retain a huge aero and weight advantage over hypercars. Fast curves, traction out corners, braking would all still be in favour of F1 cars.
The pirelli pzero hard tire can do fifty laps wihich is equal to about 200 km, a stint at lemans is about 244 kms, so even if the f1 can do an entire race distance it can only do one tire stint.
The C3s did over 260 km at Monaco without problem a few weeks ago. Le Mans is much easier on tyres too
I seriously doubt F1 engine out of the box would be able to withstand 24 hours of near constant running. Serious changes would've been needed which would result in what by all accounts a new class or a formula for F1 derived 24 hour race car. So, on purely technical grounds, no, F1 car couldn't wing 24 hours of Le Mans.
Shouldn’t you compare the RB19 instead of the RB20, for this rule set it was the most dominant (F1 history as well) and wouldn’t Monza/Spa spec wing levels be factored in?
The RB20 is not as dominant as the RB19 but it's faster (0.6-0.8 sec), the thing is that the rest of the F1 teams improved a bit more than Red Bull this winter but the RB20 is a much better car
no, they don't have lights so they cant see at night