Jon Kent: Bisexual Superman|Yay or Nay?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
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In this video, we discuss the topic of Jonathan Kent as a bisexual superhero and the effect it has been having on the comic book community. Should DC keep publishing content like this or stop it all together? Enjoy!
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Great video! I don’t know the stats, but I’m going to take a guess and say that there isn’t a market for this stuff. I agree with you.. so many people complain about this shit but then go and buy like 3 copies because of speculation… collecting really is ruining the industry. When will it be about story again.
Great discussion! Not a fan of this content in comics and I really think like you said, DC is making these books for a non existent audience. DC is totally trying to exploit the collectors market. In the 90s it was foil covers and variants, today it’s lgbtq characters driving speculation
Well said Will.. yup it’s the next new trend in comics ha ha
Great video. Interesting points of views and perspectives. I'm female, in my late 30's and part of lgbti community. But I personally , can't say that not including lgbti in comic books affects me in any way. Yes we appreciate the inclusivity. But it's really not that deep. Just my opinion. It's okay, to not include the bisexuality. I also don't know if there's a market.
If this character is bisexual or gay, then they should make Northstar and Batwoman straight… don’t want to rip the scales too much lmao but seriously, can you imagine? Outrage would be be greater is you made a gay character straight…great video my man!
Indeed Frank!
Nice to hear from you again and I hope you'er having a better time than me. I'm under the weather and having a strain on moving into a new house,.
Aw sorry to hear that… good luck my friend and I hope you feel better
Loving the new setup Dante! As always an excellent discussion. While acceptance is the obvious way for any modern culture to move forward, forced representation should never be in the way of but serve good storytelling. Granted, the comicbook market has always been exploited by contraversial products to sell books. Nothing new here. EDIT: I agree 100% that this tactic is very tone deaf. Same happened with Star Wars The High Republic to some extent. It's not a major distraction but it is grating when you realize the intentions behind it.
Hey Ben, I totally agree! It’s happening in both comics and Star Wars and well said about High Republic! I actually stopped reading rising storm about 3/4 through. The only thing I find interesting in high republic right now is Elzar Mann and Avar Kriss and there isn’t enough of Elzar in Rising storm and Avar is just mentioned (at least in what I read). Stellan Gios is boorriinngg, I found the same with Bell Zettifar and the forced tone deaf tokenism was taken to a new level in that book. I think I’m now attributing my liking Light of the Jedi to Charles Soule since I think he is a great writer and I have never disliked anything he wrote lol
Let the sales decide. As with any comic
True!
Yeah… robin came out three months earlier… and Harley is gay now… and Wonder Woman is queer… and aqua lad is gay. Nothing new. Next week flash will come out.
Ha ha I knew about robin but I didn’t know about the others lmao
Great Video and I completely agree with your standpoint. I am not bigoted, however, I do not understand the rationale of adding these elements in just for the sake of it!!!
It’s amazing how people always say, “I’m not a bigot,” then immediately say something from a bigoted biased perspective. I’ve had many people say “why can’t lgbt people just keep it in their private bedroom,” yet would never give it a second thought about a man and his girlfriend/wife kissing in public.
I would bet you have never said, “I cannot understand the rationale of showing these superhero’s with their girlfriends. I cannot understand adding these aspects in is must for the sake of it.”
I mean, be honest, if he was straight and kissing his girlfriend on the cover, you wouldn’t be saying anything.
@@AlexHernandez-ee5hd you’ve head people??? If you’re going to be a telephone tough-guy, please at least learn to speak properly!!! 🐪
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Good catch, damn dyslexia. But you clearly understood the intent.
You also seem to clearly be admitting that you actually are a bigot. Just own up to it. Just admit you are a bigot and live with it. Don’t try to hide it.
However, calling out your bullshit isn’t really something one would consider being a “tough guy.”
Hey all, thanks for commenting. I think the point here is know the market you’re creating content for. I think there are readers on both side of the spectrum: some that are actual bigots and some that are not. The thing that the comic book audience has in common is that most of the people reading comics are straight men. Personally I don’t care if two men or women are kissing on screen or in a comic. But I know there are many people who just don’t care to see it and who are tired of being inundated with this content no one is asking for. There’s no right or wrong answer though really.
Yeh, I don’t mind them creating new gay or bi, transgender or whatever characters, just give them there own name & costumes? Don’t use a character that wasn’t built up that way! I feel it would be like a new band calling themselves Duran Duran & selling music off someone else’s name & fame?!?
Yeah exactly!!
I'm pissed I missed this video! The RUclips algorithm stinks!!!!
I couldn’t agree more… the progress to 10k subs is going so slow!$
I'm a straight 30s guy with a fiance. I have gay, bi and straight friends as I enjoy all the meats of our cultures stew. Like myself, my friends in the LGBTQ community aren't fans of stories that force representation in new comics and media in general ( ugh...theres so much...even Netflix Shera/ Revelations Heman) . If it happens naturally, that's fine! Its part of the story and the journey ( in this case, Kents son, Superboy). But if you force it, like for example, Iceman, because you beed a quota of representation, we're gonna know that's crap!
Exactly! If I find the forced representation so tone deaf
The problem today with the world is that there is too much political correctivenes. There are people who want you to think differently about certain topics and to look at these topics in a different light. Not everyone may agree with looking at things in a different light and they shouldn't have to be made to. You want to take a character and change the dynamics of that character then so be it. But you can't jam it down someone's throat and think they will accept and go along with it. Social issues are taking up too much conversation and getting to involved in politics also. Everyone needs to take a step back and worry about themselves and not what they are being made to worry about or told they should now accept in the world. I personally am a huge superman fan, but I am sorry, there is no reason that I can see to make Jon Kent bisexual. These writers just want to make a name for themselves and think that they are going to change how people look at comics. Comics have been around for a very long time and it is like the old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it "
I agree! Thank you for commenting
I still do not understand why we discuss their sexuality at all. I understand its part of life and peter parker is with mary jane and all but i would rather keep these issues out of comics. I dont care what your sexuality is. Just if its a cool character or not. I hate though when it is retroactively changed like alan scott gl. Why? These seem gimmicky to me in that respect. Thanks dante
Exactly!! It is super gimmicky, that’s the problem. DC and Marvel are putting out this content yes to be inclusive, but I think the bigger agenda here is to drive sales and stay relevant in the mainstream. This is all to drive the collectors market… I had one viewer say, in the 90s in was foil covers and deaths driving speculation now it’s gay characters that have replaced classic gimmicks. Thanks for your thoughts Jerryd!
@@Dante19883 ha...makes you wonder what the next decade for comics holds. Most of the time things cycle back around so maybe we will get to more focused hero stuff and less social agendas. I dont read Manga...but does it have all of this content in it? Or is it just story for stories sake? Thanks for the reply
I remember when this news blew up and was even reported on Fox News! To me, I felt like its no big deal- However, many have been upset, annoyed or outraged!( Also, how slow must News be to report on a comic?!) For those who didn't like it, its fine. Just put down the pitchforks and torches!
I agree!!
NAY!!! Don't get me started on Woke revisionism, Dante! 😾
A new character should have been created, if they really wanted to go that way, not take an established character and take a giant whiz all over it's origins. Look at the current series of Doctor Who. Look out peeps! I've been "triggered"! It's Woke Rage!!! 😾👊🏻💥💫🤬
Ha ha! What’s going on in Dr Who?
@@Dante19883 Where to begin? They got a new producer, Chris Chibnall, working with a "new" woman doctor (someone's bright idea), and she's awful. The scripts suck, the stories are grasping at straws trying to bring back old enemies, and now the current mythos is saying the Doctor is actually called the Time Child or some such bs. It basically means all the previous doctors we've known and loved were bullshit, and the Doctor's been around since Gallifery was born, as a black baby. Or something. NOW, the BBC have realised their mistake (as they are losing viewers and revenue big time) brought back the original New Who producer, and we'll have a "normal" male doctor again. If anyone's still watching. Experiment FAILED!!! Give 'em the bum's rush! 😾I could go on...
I guess I feel DC is straying to far from who and what Superman is: ruclips.net/video/akNcZA1sal0/видео.html
Nay Nay Nay, I will try to solve the puzzle in just 1 comment. Communist from within the USA & foreign run/own/bought many entertainment industries/companies over the years, including big tech social media platforms like RUclips it's self lol...which is why I think you mentioned a while back, that one of your videos got taken down for talking about a particular topic lol...that being said...masculinity has been gradually under attack globally, but especially in America lately.
People will ask why? What's the point of "attacking masculinity." My theory is...which many already call factual...is that they are gradually trying to indoctrinate men more and more as the years/generations go by...to make them mentally, emotionally & physically weak. To the point that the majority of men aren't willing to defend/fight for their nation or country...so that communism can ultimately/gradually take over from within the mind first, because they can't always do it head on...as crazy as that sounds. It sounds "conspiratorial," I know...well here we are with a bunch of woke shit everywhere & mandates simultaneously as we speak, especially in Canada & very much so in Australia. If you do your research on what's going on in other countries like Australia you'll see what I am talking about...and the best part is if you don't agree with the "woke shit," you're all the negative names under the sun...lol I'm not panicking or paranoid...I think most ppl are waking up & will eventually not be afraid to speak up against what is going on...but just an observation I've had over the years.
Lastly, I am not saying gay people are not willing to join the military or fight or speak up for freedom or their country etc...I am just explaining what these control freak psychopaths are trying to do. It's already back firing on them...thank God lol...GREAT TOPIC & VIDEO BTW! Glad to see you back...
Very interesting comment. Thanks for taking the time to write. I enjoyed reading your perspective!
@@Dante19883 Thanks for not thinking I'm nuts &/or not deleting my comment Lmaooo I really enjoy your videos! So much going on now a days somethings that are said can be offensive to many...glad you took it well Dante! :) God bless...
I fully support Jon agent being bisexual. Given he is a blank slate, him being bisexual isn’t really that controversial unless you just personally have an issue with LGBT people existing.
Yeah, that’s the thing. People keep saying create new characters.. well Jon Kent kind of is a new character so I think there might be a little overreaction. It’s not like they made Clark who has been straight for 80 years all the sudden bi. Let Jon Kent be bisexual…
consider this: theyre trying to grow the parts of the audience that are smaller into bigger ones. the comic book industry has been in steep decline for 30 years, upheld almost exclusively by the strength of film adaptation $$ from the IPs.
"nonexistent audiences" are exactly who you need to target certain new products to if you want to GROW the business.
this is EXTREMELY basic business logic. i hope these anti-SJW nerds never run a comic book business.
The subject of a bisexual "Superman" was beginning to be explored in Gaiman's Silver Age Miracleman run, but as we know, that story is still unfinished. As far as DC's Superman, I really don't care, as this character will inevitably be retconned every generation or so. Nature of the beast. Thanks Dante for the always thoughtful content!
Thanks Christopher, I appreciate it. Yes I never thought about that, you’re right!
Yeah it doesn’t bother me in the least that Superman’s son is gay but it would have bothered me if they tried to make Superman gay, cuz it’s been established that he is not.
Nay. I grew up with Clark Kent Superman not Jon Kent. Why does everything have to be about identity politics? I'm quite frankly tired of all this talk about sexual identity, racial identity, & political identity. Why can't they make a character without that being the main characteristic. There are plenty of superheroes without that at their core. If they kill off Clark Kent then I'll stop reading Superman comics. I'll go over to Batman & Teen Titan comics if that happens. I'm currently reading these comics
Batman
Detective Comics
Teen Titans Academy
Nightwing
United States Of Captain America
Thor
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Spawn
X-Men
Wolverine
Wonder Woman
Black Widow
Venom
Suicide Squad
Action Comics
Conan The Barbarian (soon to be King Conan)
Yes… I think people are really getting tired of the identity politics being front and centre for sure…
I think it's not the fact of being bisexual but changing characters that we grow up with, I would love for new characters to be bisexual or gay. But don't change the current characters. Make new characters in all types of race, gender and ethnic groups. We are all in a hug melting pot and would love to see what can come out of that. I think it's sad for Comic book companies using what is an issue now a days to sell comics.
Indeed!
Its a comic book that came out weeks ago. in the real world no one cares about someone's sexual life. people need to mine they bees wax that means mind your own business.
As a queer comic book reader I love seeing representation in one of my favorite mediums of entertainment. I don't seek it out specifically because at the end of the day what I'm looking for are good stories. However, if I can get that representation and relatability in a good story then that is certainly something that makes me happy.
With the whole Jon coming out as bisexual, I don't think it's a gimmick. Don't get me wrong, if I had my way Jon would still be 12 or 13 paling around with Damien as the Super Sons and we wouldn't be dealing with this right now at all. Though seeing as Tom Taylor is a strong and passionate queer ally I do not believe he made this decision with anything but the utmost sincerity and respect.
Did DC and the media blow this up way bigger than it may have needed? Oh yes, absolutely. I'm not gonna try to say otherwise because it was a media circus for a few months there. On the other hand, coming out in real life can be really scary. It doesn't always go well and people you knew before may never look at you the same way. They might judge you, cut all ties, pretend they don't know you.
So honestly, the internet blowing up with a variety of reactions to both Jon and Tim Drake coming out as bisexual felt kind of appropriate. People have to remember that there's more to a person than just being straight, gay, bi, trans, whatever. It's just a part of who you are. Not the whole you. It might define you for a time, depending on how important it is to you. Eventually though, in time, it just blends with the other parts that make up the complete person.
Hey Chris! Thanks for commenting on this post, I really appreciate you sharing your experience as a queer comic book reader. I think it was the media circus and the exploitation that really turned some people. And I agree Tom Taylor seems like a nice guy and definitely went into this with the best intentions. Thanks for watching and commenting
A guy that can fly with super strength and x ray vision is believable but not a guy who loves another guy...🙄
No a guy who can fly with super strength and X-ray vision is certainly not believable, but that’s the point. It’s escapism, and I think there are many fans who want social issues forced on them, thanks for commenting!