For people wanting Sonic 3 AIR-esc fan remasters for the other games: Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, Sonic CD Restored. Worth a couple googles. Getting these fan remasters through legal digital versions of the game costs half as much as Orgins.
I had a part in the video where I mentioned SEGA removing Sonic 3 on Steam but I cut it to save some time, but that's absolutely a valid thing to mention for how dumb SEGA is. I probably should have kept in a line or two mentioning it, but I guess I forgot.
Fun fact: Headcanon the developers of sonic mania and sonic origins didn't want to release it on June 23rd because headcanon knew the game wasn't finished yet but Sega forced them to release it on June 23rd and that's why sonic origins is like this
The best part is headcanon just did the S3&K Portion of the collection, the rest was glued toghether with clown jizz and ductape by Sega. How they fucked already existing remasters that worked fine in the past is beyond me.
Something I find funny is how Chaotix, 3D Blast and Spinball have dedicated slots in the artwork section, the OST section they made DLC at the last hour and their own islands.... but Chaotix's isn't present. Almost like they ran out of time and couldn't model a 6th island to use as an Options ground so they plopped them onto the museum hmmmmmm
Wow. Could you be more of a nitpicker? Great video lol. And thanks for the shoutout. And hey. There's plenty of good coming out of Sonic this year. There was Fallen Stars. Triple Trouble 16-bit is finally coming out. And there's always SAGE and the Sonic Hacking Contest to look forward to. See? Sega has tons of cool Sonic stuff in the works. Wait a minute...
Origins is really pathetic when you compare it to not just 1 Forever, 2 Absolute or 3 AIR, but previous SEGA published titles: • Mania allowed you to choose filters and Sonic's moveset • S1/2 AGES allowed you to disable spin dash/drop dash and filters Only thing Origins offers is a Genesis GBA-ass Anniversary Mode that adds 1 move that's untoggleable. There's really nothing to defend here
Frankly, I've gotten to a point where I could no longer care any less about What Sega does with Sonic anymore. Fans are doing way more interesting things with Sonic than anything Sega has all last decade (barring Mania), so Imma just stick with all that, because I don't really care if it's "official" for whatever that matters, so long as it's good. And fans are making good stuff, unlike Sega. Fallen Star just came out a few days ago, so Imma go play that instead
@@Harrinsain There also the Sonic.exe takeover and the Roblox game situation. However I do agree with what you're saying Sonic fans are very talented and care a lot about the series.
@@Harrinsain Also I loved your Sonic character analysis on Twitter and your knowledge of the Japanese lore of Sonic actually made me discover a lot of that stuff.
13:20 Actually you can listen to music at the museum. You have to add them to a playlist and play them from there which then allows you to listen to music in the background while looking through the museum.
This should 've been an easy win for SEGA and they still managed to mess something up, Honestly this just makes me more scared of what is going to come of Frontiers. Call me pessimistic, go on a long rant why sonic fans should stop complaining, or other stuff, But i can't help feeling skeptical about the future of Sonic.
They can't make Sonic run down a hallway right. They can't re-release old games properly either. Why would they make a good open-world Sonic game? That's been my thought process, probably the same as yours.
@@telekinesticman With Frontiers it feels like Sega just wants to chase that BOTW money so hard without thinking about how it would fit in the bigger picture.
@@maximoomega3691 There isn't even quantity anymore, we waited five years between Forces and Frontiers and the only games we got was (admittedly great) DLC for Sonic Mania, a mediocre Sonic Racing game that died on release day and pales in comparison to 2012's Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed, a god awful remaster of Sonic Colors, and now, this collection that gets beaten by almost every other Sonic classic game collection (from Sonic Jam to Mega and Gems collection), and from the footage I've seen from Sonic Frontiers, it looks like a dud for me (personally). Five years were between Sonic 06 and Generations, and we got the low tier mediocrity that is Secret Rings, a great sequel to Sonic Rush, a mid Sonic RPG, Sonic and Sega All-stars Racing, a pretty mid Sonic collection on DS (yes, that's a thing), a pretty good sequel to Sonic and the Secret Rings, and TWO (Excellent) main series games released between 06 and Gens, and all (with the exception of Sonic 06, Secret Rings, and Chronicles) seem very well polished and fun. (Sorry for my long paragraph, I just want to let my thoughts out)
@@2fernandoc1 thank you for sharing your thoughts although I fail to see how it has anything to do with the overall quantity the series has been making
@@maximoomega3691 because there hasn't been much release quantity in the mainline game side compared to back then? or are you talking about sales figures? because if so then quantity wouldn't be the right word to use.
I look at stuff like this and then at the recent Kirby announcement, the difference between these two official products is damning. Not to mention the view counts trounced a lot of sonic game videos on the official channel, just showing good quality. At this point, I can’t trust Sega with any sonic project or them letting an outside team do it because they’ll burn them. What will it take to get this stubborn pachinko company to listen to some common sense? They nearly went bankrupt several times, you would think that would do it.
Unrelatable, I want the same for Nintendo. But I rather them burn and die, screw Nintendo. But yeah I'm so surprised this company can't get it's shit together, I don't know if I want Sonic Frontiers anymore
1. Lately I’ve been watching a lot of your critique videos and I just wanted to quickly say that you do an absolutely incredible job at what you do, keep up the great work! 2. When Mania came out it was a digital exclusive game but eventually got a physical release a year later with some DLC and updates to the base game. It would be nice if we got a physical release of Origins with a HUGE overhaul of patches and new editions (for free of course) like playable Amy, playable Knuckles in the games where he isn’t playable, improved versions of the Sonic 3 Beta tracks, etc.
9:32 This actually happens in the original game (or at least standalone Sonic 3 since that was what I was playing) Though, I’ll still argue that this glitch from 30 years ago should be fixed in the remaster.
"this is a product that had the right recipe, all the right ingredients, but didn't get enough time in the oven" Completely inaccurate there's no oven for Sonic games anymore they're just being kept warm with some low quality heater and when that doesn't work Sega puts them under the sun in the last minute hoping that it'll be hot enough for the customers. Speaking of recipes, ingredients, and ovens all alike did you play the cuphead DLC? If you didn't I highly recommend it after 4 years it was definitely worth the wait. you should review cuphead in all honesty it's really good.
I have a small correction to make: S3&K's compressed/muffled music is actually more accurate to a real Mega Drive than the emulator recording you compared it to. Which you prefer is completely up to you, and I understand you not knowing about that, but it's not actually a problem with Origins.
That Platinum games video is still my #1 most wanted sonic thing ever, and to see frontiers attempt something similar but fall super short is pretty disappointing, even if I’m not as pessimistic about the game as a whole
So S3&K used some sort of AI to guess at how the terrain worked? No wonder it's bugged. Headcannon must've REALLY been crunched with the missions if they needed AI to try to nail the physics in time.
The minute I saw the prices, I noped out of this collection real quick. Sure enough, they messed it up like they always do. If anyone is still dissatisfied and wants to get a game that is well worth your time, money and energy, I recommend Olliolli world, which is a skater platformer that came out this year. It has sonic influences, with an emphasis on rolling down hills and jumping off huge cliffs whilst simultaneously trying to keep a flow going. The game is pretty short, but very replayable due to online challenges and a user generated level maker based on a select difficulty. It’s awesome.
@Stephen O'Brien As someone who just picked up the game cause of word of mouth, I thought the game looked stellar. But I haven’t played the other games so I can’t really say much about it.
Great video, dude It's absolutely baffling how Sega can seemingly have literally everything to make the perfect release gift wrapped and handed to them on a silver platter, but they still manage to fumble the bag. People will blame "Sega's bad management", but that never seems to affect their other series. It's entirely possible Sonic Team just isn't good at this and it's time for fresh blood and fresh eyes to look at the series
Origins is a passable collection imo. While it is still in an unacceptable state for release and is by no means the definitive way to play the classics, it does add some genuinely useful enhancements to them. Having the drop dash in every game, albeit nerfed, is a nice touch, and I'm sure there are people who are grateful for the easier time traveling in CD (hardcore fans could feasibly ignore it for a more authentic experience). Having a way to retry special stages in coins is a really nice quality of life improvement, and it'll definitely make life easier for people trying to get into these games. I'm also glad they brought back the museum from previous collections, despite complaints that the internet renders it obsolete. I'm sure most kids aren't scouring the internet for every piece of Sonic concept art, and would be thrilled to stumble upon something like Mania Adventures in the Museum. And the cutscenes, while not essential, are charming connective tissue that really demonstrate that there was SOME passion out into this collection. So while this collection is definitely overpriced and the bugs are incredibly disappointing, I think it offers a decent amount of content through its extra modes and features, and we can reasonably expect a price drop and patching to iron out those two aforementioned flaws. They could've done more with it, but I feel somewhat content with what we have. Nice vid man, looking forward to the next one.
tails' tail doesn't turn into a helicopter at full speed in sonic 2 anniversary mode like its supposed to, but it does do it in classic mode. furthermore, tails can swim & fly in the classic mode where he couldn't do that in the original. also that gap in the half pipe on chemical plant that you could run over if you held up on the d-pad while running full speed over it, it mostly doesn't work anymore. but occasionally it works sometimes for no reason. makes no sense.
There's definitely some soul in here, the cutscenes are incredibly well animated and Stealth and his team really wanted to make the definitive version of S3K for us, it's just that SEGA hasn't learned its lesson about half-assing Sonic games, and it keeps pressuring its developers to rush these games up for quick releases and a quick buck.
Sega has always had problems with mismanagement since their inception. They just happen to end up with very good games and franchises among that mismanagement (Sonic, Phantasy Star, Shining Force, etc.)--catching lightning in a bottle, if you will. Their mismanagement cost them dearly when they were making hardware and now it's costing them as a third-party developer for other companies' hardware. If they keep this up, they'll end up like Konami: only making pachinko slot machines
Maybe I have no clue what I’m talking about because I was born in 2001, but weren’t pixel art games not actually that sharp back then anyway? I’ve been told pixel art looked a lot smoother on CRTs, which pixel artists were aware of back then, and thusly, games didn’t actually look they way they do now if you plug a Genesis into a modern day flat screen. Even if the smoothing in Origins looks worse, wouldn’t that technically make the comparison direct comparison you did not fully accurate? Not to take away from your overall points or anything, I’m always down to bash on modern SEGA
CRTs would add a nice blur to the pixels, yeah, but not like this strange fuzz you see in Origins. It's difficult to describe in words. Point being, without any kind of additional filters, the pixels should just be nice and sharp.
If you’d really want, I’d love to hear more of your thoughts about the Metroid series. I’m also getting pretty tired of this same old song and dance routine.
Great video,I agree with you on everything about Sonic origins and Sonic’s future.I just have one question:are you going to do best of 2022 video like last year?I like it when you talk about other games that aren’t sonic.
I'm not sure exactly, maybe I will. So far this year there hasn't been as much for me to talk about, but Bayonetta 3 is supposedly still on the horizon, and that could either be part of a larger video, or get its own entirely.
This was a great video and I didn't even buy Sonic Origins because I feel like it was not worth my money. Another thing is I recommend checking out a complete fangame called Sonic and the Fallen Star because the developers of that fangame are very passionate and understand 2D Sonic with all new orginal levels. I'm sorry your not excited for Sonic Frontiers but I can understand I am still neutral towards this game and Sonic deserves better than Sega.
I noticed a ton of issues with Sonic 3, and I have muscle memory for this game, making some parts that they messed up so blatantly obvious. Physics work differently in so many places. Not only that, but, in addition to what you said, there are other problems. In the original, Sonic is always above the fans that blow him upwards in Hydrocity. In Origins, he actually touches the fans, which makes no sense because he should have gotten chopped up by them. Also, Knuckles' opening cutscene from Sonic and Knuckles is restored, but isn't altered to show him in Angel Island, so he's inexplicably in Mushroom Hill for the cutscene and then suddenly appears in Angel Island. They clearly didn't even try to make this port good
Only Sonic 3 & Knuckles uses real dropdash code from Mania. 1, 2 and CD use a technique similar to Sonic 3 prototype (instantly spindash on the ground). Probably due to Sega not having access to the real dropdash code.
I agree with everything. I was SO excited to play S3&K in widescreen and I didn’t think the beta tracks would bother me. But damn, all the collision detection issues made me want to kill myself, and the music bothered me more than I thought it would. Really wish I waited for a price drop.
Don't know if anyone's asked you this yet, but what are your thoughts on Origins Plus? Do you think it's just as bad as the base game or do you think it's alright at best? I personally think it's dog sh*t and I never really had any expectations from the start.
Adding Amy is cool, but that's about it. I'm not expecting it to be a big improvement unfortunately, but I'd love if it was. The physical edition is cool but I don't want to drop $60 on it after how bad the original launch was.
@@telekinesticmanPerfectly explained how I feel about it as well, Amy is a nice inclusion, and I think it's been confirmed Knuckles is going to be in CD as well, which is...whatever I guess. People already modded him in CD so their late to that lol. And the Game Gear games I can care less for, they should've used the Master System versions of Sonic 1, 2 and Chaos or make the Master System and Game Gear versions optional. The only thing I want is that they give a free patch to existing customers (like me) that fixes all the bugs in the collection. But at least the physical cover looks cool lmao.
Would you consider getting Frontiers to review it if they release a demo and you like it? I'd be interested in seeing you break down the elements of Frontiers since you go in depth and the gameplay is kind of all over the place (so far) imo.
I don't think they will release a demo, and I certainly don't think I'd like it, but if that did happen, then maybe I would consider something like that, yes.
@@telekinesticman your opinion is wrong No I am not trying to attack you like every a toxic fan I know opinions are not facts But it's your own opinion Do you even know what a port A port is different graphics Like PlayStation 5 and Xbox X and Nintendo switch You were watching ign trailer Basically he said that it's an early build and you don't believe it here's my response to your opinion: I like combat and enemies I don't care if there's momentum Cyberspace looks fun and I don't mind the ReUse levels I don't care if they're reusing it the forces model I'm going to enjoy the voice actors ( yes I get it you will not enjoy them)
@@Fafaboi Ok so apparently I don't know what a port is - what do you think Sonic Origins is, then? Of course the IGN footage was an early build, when did I say I didn't believe them?? Quite the opposite actually. Every game you see pre-release is an early build, that's just how it works. My point is that the build is not early enough to deflect any points of legitimate criticism.
@@telekinesticman I don't want to go too far But I'm just going to say it When I watched your videos you just breaks my feelings man And yes I get it Sonic origin it's in every console and it has its own problems and Sonic Origins is just a collection and there is no different graphics I get it you won't not buy Frontiers because you don't like what you see now Is it it's your own opinion Well I like Sonic Origins but I don't have a console or PC to play it Also hot take: I don't think Mania 2 will exist Let me ask you one question What do you think of Heroes and Lost World
@@Fafaboi you didn't answer my question. I don't like Heroes and Lost World. They have good ideas but aren't executed well. I like the dialogue and level aesthetics in Heroes though. Lost World has some nice badnik designs, they're just a bit too cutesy.
Coming from someone who has been really optimistic about this game, it's really nice hearing hearing someone else's opinion about this game. Great video 👍
10:10 - it's stupid - you can literally just hold right to beat the boss. EVEN without tapping jump. The original was at least still a challenge if you didn't press jump. I didn't knew about the boost at the time and it ended up making the fight SO much more memorable to me.
This is a very good Critique on Sonic Origins. I think the Collection is an embarrassment to the Sonic Franchise. The Collection was already a disappointment, but there are THREE major factors that make this a dealbreaker to me: First up is the Michael Jackson music for Sonic 3, it is all absent, even the music for Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base. The replacement music just sounds really, really bad! (It's like nails on a chalkboard) The Second factor is the lives system has been replaced with coins in the Widescreen Modes, which removes all the challenge from these games, the coins just make all of this TOO EASY!! The Third One is Denuvo on PC, which can make the entire collection UNPLAYABLE!!! Between the absence of the Michael Jackson music, the fact that you can't get Game Overs in Widescreen Mode, Denuvo, and all the other problems with this collection, it's just a mess. SEGA does not deserve to be in charge of the Sonic Franchise anymore! Sonic 1 Forever Sonic 2 Absolute Sonic 3 A.I.R. Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles with Shields + Are still the definitive ways to play these titles. They have far more options than Sonic Origins ever has, like the option to have lives, the Super Peel-Out, the Insta-Shield, and the Drop Dash in the games themselves (along with unlimited lives if you want an easy time). Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles having multiple music options, along with the corrected cutscenes. Sonic 3 A.I.R. has all the MJ tracks along with the Prototype Music and a couple of tracks from past Sonic games. And they all have Mod Support. Plus, Amy Rose is now playable in Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles. And why pay 40 bucks for the lackluster Sonic Origins collection, when you can get Sonic Mega Collection + and Sonic Gems Collection and not only get better versions of the games in Sonic Origins, but also get even more games? Granted you would have to get older video game consoles, but right now Sonic Origins certainly is not worth 40 dollars. Might get this on Nintendo Switch, but only on a DEEP discount with all the bugs ironed out. But seriously, SEGA should just give up and sell the Sonic Franchise to someone who is willing to take better care of it.
I honestly like the Super Sonic and Ending theme. It sounds great to me. You should remember that Sonic 4 music is supposed to sound like it’s from the Genesis games. The beta tracks tho, yeah, I don’t like the style
@@telekinesticman I meant it has Genesis parts. And also, I happen to like Sonic 4. I don't care if it doesn't play like it's supposed to, I had fun playing it
The 40 dollar tag really is for s3&k... And its a complete rip off. "The entire score is completely compressed!" Why 9.5 times out of ten, fans never mention the entire soundtrack in origins? And why tf would any on pay 40$ for a game that has its soundtrack emulated from the genesis? Even the composers from S&k c tried harder! Granted it can be really sh!tty espesually depending which soundfont you have, but hey atleast they put in some effort and tried to mix them up to "fresh" them up.
i think u get me when i say i like the idea of sonic and fan games like utopia but i want a sonic game where i actually feel the effort i feel like sonic games are finally giving there all for one last attempt but i just don’t feel it the games feel lazy they feel like a tech demo for a another company to improve on this is the reason i praise unleashed because it feels like a triple A game in my eyes
I love a lot of the changes and additions that origins added to sonic 3K to help flesh out some of the story and environments a bit more, but the immense number of technical issues with the remaster makes me rather I’d wait for the sonic 3 air: origins features mod.
For the most part, yes. No new information about that game has drastically changed my opinion on it, and if anything, the more they show off the core movement and Cyberspace levels, the more negative I feel on the game.
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my favorite of the original trilogy and my favorite game of all time. It's shameful that Sega released it in a horribly broken state back then.
I have not bought this collection, and I probably never will. I’ve only played the mobile versions of Sonic.T.H.1, C.D, and 2 and I like them but I have some issues with them. - The lock on rolling thing you mentioned here which is in Sonic.T.H.1 and 2. - When I collect all the Chaos Emeralds in the games I listed, Tails can’t help Sonic fly up and Knuckles can’t glide without turning into their super forms. - Super forms can’t be turned off. - Knuckles boss fight with the Death Egg Robot is terrible as his lower jump height gives him a disadvantage. I have more but these are the ones I’ll list.
I find it odd they got the Drop Dash wrong in S1 and 2 yet right in CD, since unlike 3K that was handed to the original team that made the engine, CD was given to the same group who ported over the other two remakes.
I'm a bit late to the party (In fact, I just found this video in my recommended), but this is honestly a really well put together review/critique on Origins. Bare in mind that I 100% the game on Xbox Series X, so I didn't have to deal with Denuvo. While I was playing the game, I didn't really notice a lot of the problems that the games had during my first run of the game, at least for the most part. I only really noticed issues once I got to Sonic 3 & Knuckles when I got to Mushroom Hill and, despite countless resets, I couldn't snag a giant ring requiring a well timed Spin Dash to jump across a top part of the stage despite perfectly copying what I always did in the Mega Collection. Only after that did I really take a look online and see all the controversy surrounding Origins. After that, my opinion has soured a bit on the collection, albeit not to the same extent that others have felt. Maybe this is because I could be considered a "novice Sonic fan" since I only became a fan during 2011 with Generations which encouraged me to go back and play every single game from the series prior to that point. I tend to try and maintain a bit more optimism with how I view Sonic, but I feel views like yours are super important to hear and give perspectives that deserve to be taken into consideration. I'm still excited about Frontiers since I personally feel it's shaping into something that I'm almost certain I'll enjoy, but I can also see why you and many others aren't too happy with the direction it's taken. Once again, great video you've got here, and I hope you're able to find some enjoyment out of Sonic again in the future.
PS3 and xbox360 has a sega classics collection developed by Backbone that includes Sonic three and knuckles that has the original music if you can't get it on the original hardware or can just emulate it.
Excellent video, especially on the bugs and glitches part, there was a lot that I didn't see on Twitter, and damn these aren't tiny things that can just be ignored. It's sad that I've reached the point where I'm worried about a potential Mania 2 because if the games that put Sonic on the map to begin with aren't safe from SEGA's hindering, then nothing will be safe. It's so frustrating to see SEGA miss so many easy Ws intentionally and never learning their lesson. In the meantime there's Klonoa that comes out fully functional day one, everyone likes it, it gets sales, everyone wins, it's so simple yet SEGA keeps making it harder for themselves. (ironic considering they keep making those games even easier lol) I agree with pretty much everything you said about Frontiers as well, only thing I'm waiting for in that regard is the soundtrack.
I hate how the SK final boss is called the Great Eggman Robo. It just sounds anticlimactic for a robot as huge as it is. I would’ve called it the Egg Colossus personally. (Also, you can listen to music in the meuseum. You just have to have made a playlist in order to hear the songs)
This collection feels redundant since we’ve already got better versions made by the fans (sonic 1 forever, sonic cd restored, sonic 2 absolute and sonic 3 air)
Sonic Origins was rushed. It's missing the Sonic games for the Master System, Game Gear, 32X and the Saturn. And the new Super/Hyper tune sucks. Sonic Team, Christian Whitehead and Jun Senoue should have reused the prototype/PC version of the unused Super/Hyper tune for the Sonic 3 remake, but no, they screwed it up big time. Plus, the levels in Sonic 3 are not in the correct order. The correct level order in Sonic 3 is Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden, Carnival Night, Flying Battery (At night), Ice Cap, Launch Base, Mushroom Valley (Mushroom Hill's true name), Sandopolis, Lava Reef, Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary, Death Egg and Doomsday. Plus, Knuckles' theme tune is not the original prototype/PC version and Lava Reef, Part 1's background music was not remixed and to be used as background music for Lava Reef, Part 2. In other words, Lava Reef, Part 2's background music sounds nothing like Lava Reef, Part 1's background music. Lava Reef, Part 2's background music is the Hidden Palace background music played twice. For example, ever played the Genesis/Mega Drive version of Sonic 3D Blast (aka Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island)? In the Volcano Valley levels, there are two different versions of the Genesis/Mega Drive version of the Volcano Valley background music. For example, Volcano Valley, part 2's background music is a more softer remixed version of Volcano Valley, part 1's background music. My point being is, Lava Reef, part 1's background music should have been remixed and used as Lava Reef, part 2's background music instead of recycling the Hidden Palace background music. And one more thing: Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic's eyes are supposed to be black, not green.
@@michaelg4981 Then how did the snowboard appear in the Ice Cap level in the official release of Sonic 3? That snowboard was meant to be the Flying Battery door that Sonic smashed through.
From what I've heard, Christian Whitehead didn't work on the Origins remake of Sonic 3 cause he's apparently working on a unannounced game for his gaming studio, Evening Star. I think the only contribution he did to Origins was updating the Retro Engine to run in the compilation. It was just Headcannon that worked on the remake of Sonic 3. Now, about the 32X and Saturn games getting rereleased. Unfortunately, I don't think those games are getting rereleased, ever again. Tho, I agree with your point that they should of added the Master System versions of Sonic 1, 2, Chaos, Blast, and Spinball since the Game Gear versions of those games have massive screen crunch (also, looks like there adding the Game Gear games, behind another paywall.). Also, Lava Reef Act 2 is a remix of Act 1. It's hard to tell but it's there. Also, let's be honest Super Sonic's eyes being green is really not an issue.
Every time SEGA/Sonic Team keep history (or more likely rehashing stage/repeating game during development) they’re doom to fail (expect for Sonic Adventure DX & Sonic Adventure 2 BATTLE - Dreamcast Original and GameCube Version) Also they should let Tee Lopes to do his version version of S3&K OST 🤔
An potentially amazing collection destroyed by Sega scummy dlc practices, rushing the game, and not hiring tee lopes for the music. Lastly they fucking even refused to let the devs work on the game morr
Wow, has it already been two years since the PlatinumGames video?! Lord have mercy. This was a great showcase of Origins' issues, excellent work. I'm still learning new things about just how unfinished and busted it is. I am also, of course, disappointed that it doesn't quite have the same quality/quantity of previous Sonic compilations. It makes me so sad to see that not even a collection of already-good Sonic games is safe from Sega's tomfoolery. That's honestly even more of a killing blow for me than Colors Ultimate, Forces, or how questionable Frontiers looks. Speaking of Frontiers, I also hope to get a review copy, because I'd still like to play the game and see what's up with it. I do not intend to buy it brand-new myself, though.
I personally never got the impression they're making a sonic mania 2 from origin's ending cutscene😅? Honestly would look forward to that more than frontiers(which I still want out as the nostalgia baiting is good, but to compete with Mario and other IPs, sonic needs to grow as a franchise (argubly the fandom should as well 😂 least the toxic parts))
I should clarify that when I say the Origins ending "teases" a Mania sequel, I don't mean in the way you're probably thinking. I don't mean that it's intentionally soft-announcing anything, I mean that's it literally "teasing" me by showing off exactly what I want but not necessarily delivering. A tease can imply the denial of giving the teased person what they want, showing them something they know they want, but not giving it to them. Like dangling candy above a small child. That's what I mean when in this instance when I described it as a tease. Not a Marvel movie teaser trailer.
@@telekinesticman When I try playing Kega Fusion in fullscreen, it straight up does not work and has basically given up on me. Other then that, everything else of the emulator runs fine. Has to be an issue for me or something.
@@telekinesticman Nevermind, I fixed it. Overriding high DPI behavior by System Enhanced seems to fix the issue, I also heard that if you enable 'Run this mode in compatibility for: Windows 7' also fixes the issue so I did that and the fullscreen works fine now. Edit: I am literally wrong, cause after I wrote this. Kega Fusion once again froze when I tried going in fullscreen, changing the window size by 320x430 and changing the fullscreen resolution to 1280x720 seems to fix the issue.
(10:36) For me, no. I want the original product, but better, not the original product have some improvements but the overall experience be worse. I will not buy this game, and probably never will. I never played Sonic.T.H.3&K, which is unfortunate, but I’d rather not deal with the games problems just to play the best Sonic game (or at least the best Classic Sonic game). At least I have Sonic Mania Plus.
You CAN actually skip the score tallies, it's just inconsistent. Also you can listen to music in the museum, you just need to add it to a playlist first
I probably made a bad decision by getting Origins when it released, but I have been enjoying playing it nonetheless. Thus far I've made it up to a bit after beating Sonic 2, and have had fun having a real replay of the games after all this time. But I do really hope that they wind up releasing an update further on down the line that helps with some of the issues outlined here though. Of course none of us are so sure that's gonna happen but I really hope that they do.
just play the mobile ports of 1, 2 and CD, because that's 3/4 games in origins for FREE (with ads, but it's bearable) and if you REALLY don't like ads you can pay like 6 bucks (overall) so you remove ads in all the mobile ports, its a way better deal than forty dollars for a game that you can play (mostly) for free
This makes me sad because I honestly had a blast with origins. I only ever got to play sonic 1 2 and cd on mobile and it wasn’t fun because a glass screen is NOT the way you want to play a sonic game. I finally got that chance with origins and I genuinely had an amazing time with all of them, ESPECIALLY 3K and cd. But even before jumping online I knew the game was littered with problems. Tails jumping in sonic 2, sonic 3’s muffled music, collision problems, FUCKING DENUVO AGAIN COME ON SEGA I THOUGHT YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON, etc. Let me tell you one that I experienced. In sandopolis act 2 there were several collision problems that lead to instant death and the checkpoints DID NOT WORK. This means everytime the game bugged out, I had to start the ENTIRE level all over again. It lasted hours and I was pissed by the end of it. I really hope headcannon is able to work on patches, because glitches aside this was a very solid title. It was still over priced though, and that dlc is laughable.
i'm a former musician. i made a video on my main channel titled: "If Sonic Origins Had Good Music" where i replaced the prototype tracks with better music (from the same game) i used the multiplayer tracks & it sounds infinitely better than the tracks they went with. everybody here should check it out.
Hey I enjoyed ur video. I have 3 questions: do u think this period of time is the worst sonic has ever been ? Because during the so called '' dark age" of sonic we were still getting great games every year. 2nd question: what do u think will happen if frontiers flops( this is probably a 60 percent chance) 3rd do you think sega even cares about sonic anymore? I feel they only make them now because they feel obliged instead of making them cuz they want to please the fans. I have more questions to ask but that's enough for today
I'm not sure if I would consider this era worse, but it's hard to disagree. There have been so many awful games, but at least the supplementary things have still been good. If Frontiers flops, which it won't because it's Sonic, maybe they'd finally reconsider their approach to mainline Sonic games. I'm sure plenty of people at SEGA do care about Sonic, but those in charge probably just see it as their easy way to make money.
@@telekinesticman this might be unrelated, but apparently it had been leaked by a credible leaker that sonic 5 is coming next year and it dimps might be making the game. What are ur thoughts if that turned to be true. Personally I loved every game made by dimps except for sonic 4.i personally believe that they can make a great 2d sonic game.
@@ehabseifo1407 if Dimps is working on it then I immediately lose interest. They've made a few decent games like Advance 1, 2 and the Rush series, but I don't trust them, or Sonic Team to direct them.
@@telekinesticman they did mess up with sonic 4 and sonic lost world 3ds. But they are extremely talented and they knew with rush and advance series the essential elements of making a good 2d sonic game: momentum and intricate level design. Unlike sega. But according to zippo, they were making it until it was halted and sonic team Co tinued making it for them. If sonic team is making it then I get rly worried cuz they still don't know the essential elements of making a good 2d sonic games. Let's hope the mania team is involved as they have been teasing mania sequel for a while. It all depends on the footage they show us.
Sega can't even make remakes of classics without rushing it anymore, even with direct fan-development, so when they hire fans, which they should always do for the rest the current + the entire next console / handheld generation to literally see what makes sonic so successful, they should let hired fans take literally 100% of the control over the games, & if that even doesn't work, then they should let hired fa's take 100% of the control permanently, well that is IF they fail with frontiers (for me frontiers is the last chance until my oppinion is set), if frontiers fails then without hiring talented fans & letting them take over for 100% the franchise it's gaming side (official i mean) iscompletely dead for all i'll care anymore, though there is still an atleast 60% chance i still buy those, idk I guess deep down it really is impossible to leave the franchise for some reason
For people wanting Sonic 3 AIR-esc fan remasters for the other games:
Sonic 1 Forever, Sonic 2 Absolute, Sonic CD Restored.
Worth a couple googles. Getting these fan remasters through legal digital versions of the game costs half as much as Orgins.
Except you can't buy the Sonic 3 and Knuckles rom legally anymore because the PC/steam version of the original game is removed. :(
@@cheekydaze6018 they're planning on letting you use a 3d blast rom as a substitute
I had a part in the video where I mentioned SEGA removing Sonic 3 on Steam but I cut it to save some time, but that's absolutely a valid thing to mention for how dumb SEGA is. I probably should have kept in a line or two mentioning it, but I guess I forgot.
@@Sydney_Angelyt that makes absolutely no sense. ???
CD restored I think isn’t that great of an option, there are just to many issues with CD on pc
reject origins, return to mega collection
What about Sonic Jam?
mega drive ultimate collection
Fun fact: Headcanon the developers of sonic mania and sonic origins didn't want to release it on June 23rd because headcanon knew the game wasn't finished yet but Sega forced them to release it on June 23rd and that's why sonic origins is like this
Wow that’s sucks, do you want Sonic frontiers to get delayed or just Release this year.
@@happythumbsgaming8606 just release it on January of 2023
I thought they stopped doing this shit.
@SMD88 Probably nothing good.
The best part is headcanon just did the S3&K Portion of the collection, the rest was glued toghether with clown jizz and ductape by Sega. How they fucked already existing remasters that worked fine in the past is beyond me.
2:23 I can't believe it
My heart dropped for a second
So glad you mentioned the Death Egg chase being harder for no reason, I thought I was going insane. Great video as always.
Something I find funny is how Chaotix, 3D Blast and Spinball have dedicated slots in the artwork section, the OST section they made DLC at the last hour and their own islands.... but Chaotix's isn't present. Almost like they ran out of time and couldn't model a 6th island to use as an Options ground so they plopped them onto the museum hmmmmmm
Wow. Could you be more of a nitpicker?
Great video lol. And thanks for the shoutout. And hey. There's plenty of good coming out of Sonic this year. There was Fallen Stars. Triple Trouble 16-bit is finally coming out. And there's always SAGE and the Sonic Hacking Contest to look forward to. See? Sega has tons of cool Sonic stuff in the works.
Wait a minute...
Origins is really pathetic when you compare it to not just 1 Forever, 2 Absolute or 3 AIR, but previous SEGA published titles:
• Mania allowed you to choose filters and Sonic's moveset
• S1/2 AGES allowed you to disable spin dash/drop dash and filters
Only thing Origins offers is a Genesis GBA-ass Anniversary Mode that adds 1 move that's untoggleable. There's really nothing to defend here
Jesus, I didn't realize how badly the Sonic 3 remake had been mangled.
10:10 Definitely looks like he goes faster.
Wow, Sega can't even NOT fuck up a simple port of decades old games
Not even the classic games can escape mediocrity now
Frankly, I've gotten to a point where I could no longer care any less about What Sega does with Sonic anymore. Fans are doing way more interesting things with Sonic than anything Sega has all last decade (barring Mania), so Imma just stick with all that, because I don't really care if it's "official" for whatever that matters, so long as it's good. And fans are making good stuff, unlike Sega. Fallen Star just came out a few days ago, so Imma go play that instead
"Fans are doing way more interesting things with Sonic than anything Sega has done"
this may have aged bad
@@Sonicmid look man, Omens was one bad egg. That doesn't spoil the whole basket
@@Harrinsain There also the Sonic.exe takeover and the Roblox game situation. However I do agree with what you're saying Sonic fans are very talented and care a lot about the series.
@@Harrinsain Also I loved your Sonic character analysis on Twitter and your knowledge of the Japanese lore of Sonic actually made me discover a lot of that stuff.
@@Sonicmid oh...uh, thanks
13:20 Actually you can listen to music at the museum. You have to add them to a playlist and play them from there which then allows you to listen to music in the background while looking through the museum.
This should 've been an easy win for SEGA and they still managed to mess something up, Honestly this just makes me more scared of what is going to come of Frontiers. Call me pessimistic, go on a long rant why sonic fans should stop complaining, or other stuff, But i can't help feeling skeptical about the future of Sonic.
They can't make Sonic run down a hallway right. They can't re-release old games properly either. Why would they make a good open-world Sonic game? That's been my thought process, probably the same as yours.
@@telekinesticman With Frontiers it feels like Sega just wants to chase that BOTW money so hard without thinking about how it would fit in the bigger picture.
Wasn't expecting an upload from you this month but I ain't complaining
that`s a bummer :(
Why does Sega keep rushing Sonic? Isn't he supposed to be a mascot?
At this point the quality just doesn't matter to them anymore it's more about the quantity
@@maximoomega3691 There isn't even quantity anymore, we waited five years between Forces and Frontiers and the only games we got was (admittedly great) DLC for Sonic Mania, a mediocre Sonic Racing game that died on release day and pales in comparison to 2012's Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed, a god awful remaster of Sonic Colors, and now, this collection that gets beaten by almost every other Sonic classic game collection (from Sonic Jam to Mega and Gems collection), and from the footage I've seen from Sonic Frontiers, it looks like a dud for me (personally).
Five years were between Sonic 06 and Generations, and we got the low tier mediocrity that is Secret Rings, a great sequel to Sonic Rush, a mid Sonic RPG, Sonic and Sega All-stars Racing, a pretty mid Sonic collection on DS (yes, that's a thing), a pretty good sequel to Sonic and the Secret Rings, and TWO (Excellent) main series games released between 06 and Gens, and all (with the exception of Sonic 06, Secret Rings, and Chronicles) seem very well polished and fun.
(Sorry for my long paragraph, I just want to let my thoughts out)
@@2fernandoc1 thank you for sharing your thoughts although I fail to see how it has anything to do with the overall quantity the series has been making
@@maximoomega3691 because there hasn't been much release quantity in the mainline game side compared to back then?
or are you talking about sales figures? because if so then quantity wouldn't be the right word to use.
@@2fernandoc1 Black knight wasn't that good tho
Even hate how they delisted the classic games from all platforms to force people to buy Origins which costs $40. 💀
If i ever do get origins ill get the pc version when its on sale for the mods to fix these things
17:49 Lego Dimensions Sonic pack.
Dang, you're right!
I look at stuff like this and then at the recent Kirby announcement, the difference between these two official products is damning. Not to mention the view counts trounced a lot of sonic game videos on the official channel, just showing good quality. At this point, I can’t trust Sega with any sonic project or them letting an outside team do it because they’ll burn them.
What will it take to get this stubborn pachinko company to listen to some common sense? They nearly went bankrupt several times, you would think that would do it.
Unrelatable, I want the same for Nintendo. But I rather them burn and die, screw Nintendo. But yeah I'm so surprised this company can't get it's shit together, I don't know if I want Sonic Frontiers anymore
1. Lately I’ve been watching a lot of your critique videos and I just wanted to quickly say that you do an absolutely incredible job at what you do, keep up the great work!
2. When Mania came out it was a digital exclusive game but eventually got a physical release a year later with some DLC and updates to the base game. It would be nice if we got a physical release of Origins with a HUGE overhaul of patches and new editions (for free of course) like playable Amy, playable Knuckles in the games where he isn’t playable, improved versions of the Sonic 3 Beta tracks, etc.
9:32
This actually happens in the original game (or at least standalone Sonic 3 since that was what I was playing)
Though, I’ll still argue that this glitch from 30 years ago should be fixed in the remaster.
1:15 The Worst part is that even 1 year later they didn't even pached out that mistake :'(
12:27 ayo they got the sonic forces level designers for the missions!?!?!
Wat
"this is a product that had the right recipe, all the right ingredients, but didn't get enough time in the oven"
Completely inaccurate there's no oven for Sonic games anymore they're just being kept warm with some low quality heater and when that doesn't work Sega puts them under the sun in the last minute hoping that it'll be hot enough for the customers. Speaking of recipes, ingredients, and ovens all alike did you play the cuphead DLC? If you didn't I highly recommend it after 4 years it was definitely worth the wait. you should review cuphead in all honesty it's really good.
Playing it right now, actually. Very good so far.
@@telekinesticman good glad you're enjoying it!
@@telekinesticman we all have to accept that sonic is a dead series.
@@kylecrofts8740 ahem frontiers
@@kylecrofts8740 and the movies cough
Sonic 3 uses music from an even earlier prototype than the one we have.
Only Super Sonic theme was remixed by Jun Sunoe
I have a small correction to make: S3&K's compressed/muffled music is actually more accurate to a real Mega Drive than the emulator recording you compared it to. Which you prefer is completely up to you, and I understand you not knowing about that, but it's not actually a problem with Origins.
Ohhhh
That Platinum games video is still my #1 most wanted sonic thing ever, and to see frontiers attempt something similar but fall super short is pretty disappointing, even if I’m not as pessimistic about the game as a whole
So S3&K used some sort of AI to guess at how the terrain worked? No wonder it's bugged. Headcannon must've REALLY been crunched with the missions if they needed AI to try to nail the physics in time.
I thought Sonic Team did the missions for 3&K
Incredible Video As Always 👌
The minute I saw the prices, I noped out of this collection real quick. Sure enough, they messed it up like they always do.
If anyone is still dissatisfied and wants to get a game that is well worth your time, money and energy, I recommend Olliolli world, which is a skater platformer that came out this year. It has sonic influences, with an emphasis on rolling down hills and jumping off huge cliffs whilst simultaneously trying to keep a flow going. The game is pretty short, but very replayable due to online challenges and a user generated level maker based on a select difficulty. It’s awesome.
@Stephen O'Brien As someone who just picked up the game cause of word of mouth, I thought the game looked stellar. But I haven’t played the other games so I can’t really say much about it.
4:07 This. This hurts.
And "Because of course we did." is such a perfect explanation. Like, yes! Because of **course** we did!
Great video, dude
It's absolutely baffling how Sega can seemingly have literally everything to make the perfect release gift wrapped and handed to them on a silver platter, but they still manage to fumble the bag. People will blame "Sega's bad management", but that never seems to affect their other series. It's entirely possible Sonic Team just isn't good at this and it's time for fresh blood and fresh eyes to look at the series
Origins is a passable collection imo. While it is still in an unacceptable state for release and is by no means the definitive way to play the classics, it does add some genuinely useful enhancements to them. Having the drop dash in every game, albeit nerfed, is a nice touch, and I'm sure there are people who are grateful for the easier time traveling in CD (hardcore fans could feasibly ignore it for a more authentic experience). Having a way to retry special stages in coins is a really nice quality of life improvement, and it'll definitely make life easier for people trying to get into these games. I'm also glad they brought back the museum from previous collections, despite complaints that the internet renders it obsolete. I'm sure most kids aren't scouring the internet for every piece of Sonic concept art, and would be thrilled to stumble upon something like Mania Adventures in the Museum. And the cutscenes, while not essential, are charming connective tissue that really demonstrate that there was SOME passion out into this collection.
So while this collection is definitely overpriced and the bugs are incredibly disappointing, I think it offers a decent amount of content through its extra modes and features, and we can reasonably expect a price drop and patching to iron out those two aforementioned flaws. They could've done more with it, but I feel somewhat content with what we have.
Nice vid man, looking forward to the next one.
haven't bought a sonic game in a long while. (sans mania) good to know im not missing out on much
fan content and media is enough for me honestly
HOLY SHIT PARIAH IS BEGGINING TO GET RECOGNITION
OH YEAH, THIS IS HAPPENING!
I only found him recently from his Origins video, and I've been enjoying going back through his other stuff. It's good!
Drop dash in 1 and 2: single frame spindash
Rom Hacks:put in the real deal
tails' tail doesn't turn into a helicopter at full speed in sonic 2 anniversary mode like its supposed to, but it does do it in classic mode. furthermore, tails can swim & fly in the classic mode where he couldn't do that in the original. also that gap in the half pipe on chemical plant that you could run over if you held up on the d-pad while running full speed over it, it mostly doesn't work anymore. but occasionally it works sometimes for no reason. makes no sense.
Don't insult the beta tracks, they're good. This remake of their instrumentation was terribly done.
100% with you on Frontiers. It's the first Sonic game I will never play.
Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom comes Dec 28 2023.
Sheesh, glad I held out on buying it. I'm gonna stick to my original cartridges. Great video Caelum!
This game has to have be some sort of cash grab
Released on June 23? The only way to play Sonic 3K on Steam? Most definitely.
There's definitely some soul in here, the cutscenes are incredibly well animated and Stealth and his team really wanted to make the definitive version of S3K for us, it's just that SEGA hasn't learned its lesson about half-assing Sonic games, and it keeps pressuring its developers to rush these games up for quick releases and a quick buck.
7:28 My ear drums were just assualted.
Sega has always had problems with mismanagement since their inception.
They just happen to end up with very good games and franchises among that mismanagement (Sonic, Phantasy Star, Shining Force, etc.)--catching lightning in a bottle, if you will.
Their mismanagement cost them dearly when they were making hardware and now it's costing them as a third-party developer for other companies' hardware.
If they keep this up, they'll end up like Konami: only making pachinko slot machines
I've played Phantasy Star and Shining Force on PS3 and remember them as bad.
Maybe I have no clue what I’m talking about because I was born in 2001, but weren’t pixel art games not actually that sharp back then anyway? I’ve been told pixel art looked a lot smoother on CRTs, which pixel artists were aware of back then, and thusly, games didn’t actually look they way they do now if you plug a Genesis into a modern day flat screen.
Even if the smoothing in Origins looks worse, wouldn’t that technically make the comparison direct comparison you did not fully accurate?
Not to take away from your overall points or anything, I’m always down to bash on modern SEGA
CRTs would add a nice blur to the pixels, yeah, but not like this strange fuzz you see in Origins. It's difficult to describe in words. Point being, without any kind of additional filters, the pixels should just be nice and sharp.
If you’d really want, I’d love to hear more of your thoughts about the Metroid series. I’m also getting pretty tired of this same old song and dance routine.
Great video,I agree with you on everything about Sonic origins and Sonic’s future.I just have one question:are you going to do best of 2022 video like last year?I like it when you talk about other games that aren’t sonic.
I'm not sure exactly, maybe I will. So far this year there hasn't been as much for me to talk about, but Bayonetta 3 is supposedly still on the horizon, and that could either be part of a larger video, or get its own entirely.
This was a great video and I didn't even buy Sonic Origins because I feel like it was not worth my money. Another thing is I recommend checking out a complete fangame called Sonic and the Fallen Star because the developers of that fangame are very passionate and understand 2D Sonic with all new orginal levels. I'm sorry your not excited for Sonic Frontiers but I can understand I am still neutral towards this game and Sonic deserves better than Sega.
to this day there is still no Carnival Night act 2 boss for Knuckles
9:32
(Not so) Fun Fact: this glitch also happened in the original version
I noticed a ton of issues with Sonic 3, and I have muscle memory for this game, making some parts that they messed up so blatantly obvious. Physics work differently in so many places. Not only that, but, in addition to what you said, there are other problems. In the original, Sonic is always above the fans that blow him upwards in Hydrocity. In Origins, he actually touches the fans, which makes no sense because he should have gotten chopped up by them. Also, Knuckles' opening cutscene from Sonic and Knuckles is restored, but isn't altered to show him in Angel Island, so he's inexplicably in Mushroom Hill for the cutscene and then suddenly appears in Angel Island. They clearly didn't even try to make this port good
Only Sonic 3 & Knuckles uses real dropdash code from Mania.
1, 2 and CD use a technique similar to Sonic 3 prototype (instantly spindash on the ground). Probably due to Sega not having access to the real dropdash code.
I agree with everything. I was SO excited to play S3&K in widescreen and I didn’t think the beta tracks would bother me. But damn, all the collision detection issues made me want to kill myself, and the music bothered me more than I thought it would. Really wish I waited for a price drop.
Don't know if anyone's asked you this yet, but what are your thoughts on Origins Plus? Do you think it's just as bad as the base game or do you think it's alright at best? I personally think it's dog sh*t and I never really had any expectations from the start.
Adding Amy is cool, but that's about it. I'm not expecting it to be a big improvement unfortunately, but I'd love if it was. The physical edition is cool but I don't want to drop $60 on it after how bad the original launch was.
@@telekinesticmanPerfectly explained how I feel about it as well, Amy is a nice inclusion, and I think it's been confirmed Knuckles is going to be in CD as well, which is...whatever I guess. People already modded him in CD so their late to that lol. And the Game Gear games I can care less for, they should've used the Master System versions of Sonic 1, 2 and Chaos or make the Master System and Game Gear versions optional. The only thing I want is that they give a free patch to existing customers (like me) that fixes all the bugs in the collection. But at least the physical cover looks cool lmao.
hell yes, telekinistetic man upload, my favourite favourite sonic content
Would you consider getting Frontiers to review it if they release a demo and you like it? I'd be interested in seeing you break down the elements of Frontiers since you go in depth and the gameplay is kind of all over the place (so far) imo.
I don't think they will release a demo, and I certainly don't think I'd like it, but if that did happen, then maybe I would consider something like that, yes.
@@telekinesticman your opinion is wrong
No I am not trying to attack you
like every a toxic fan
I know opinions are not facts
But it's your own opinion
Do you even know what a port
A port is different graphics
Like PlayStation 5 and Xbox X and Nintendo switch
You were watching ign trailer
Basically he said that it's an early build and you don't believe it
here's my response to your opinion:
I like combat and enemies
I don't care if there's momentum
Cyberspace looks fun and I don't mind the ReUse levels
I don't care if they're reusing it the forces model
I'm going to enjoy the voice actors ( yes I get it you will not enjoy them)
@@Fafaboi Ok so apparently I don't know what a port is - what do you think Sonic Origins is, then? Of course the IGN footage was an early build, when did I say I didn't believe them?? Quite the opposite actually. Every game you see pre-release is an early build, that's just how it works. My point is that the build is not early enough to deflect any points of legitimate criticism.
@@telekinesticman I don't want to go too far
But I'm just going to say it
When I watched your videos you just breaks my feelings man
And yes I get it Sonic origin it's in every console and it has its own problems and Sonic Origins is just a collection and there is no different graphics
I get it you won't not buy Frontiers because you don't like what you see now
Is it it's your own opinion
Well I like Sonic Origins but I don't have a console or PC to play it
Also hot take: I don't think Mania 2 will exist
Let me ask you one question
What do you think of Heroes and Lost World
@@Fafaboi you didn't answer my question.
I don't like Heroes and Lost World. They have good ideas but aren't executed well. I like the dialogue and level aesthetics in Heroes though. Lost World has some nice badnik designs, they're just a bit too cutesy.
Coming from someone who has been really optimistic about this game, it's really nice hearing hearing someone else's opinion about this game. Great video 👍
5:50 nope I had to look this one up lol
(Great video!)
10:10 - it's stupid - you can literally just hold right to beat the boss. EVEN without tapping jump.
The original was at least still a challenge if you didn't press jump. I didn't knew about the boost at the time and it ended up making the fight SO much more memorable to me.
This is a very good Critique on Sonic Origins. I think the Collection is an embarrassment to the Sonic Franchise. The Collection was already a disappointment, but there are THREE major factors that make this a dealbreaker to me:
First up is the Michael Jackson music for Sonic 3, it is all absent, even the music for Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base. The replacement music just sounds really, really bad! (It's like nails on a chalkboard)
The Second factor is the lives system has been replaced with coins in the Widescreen Modes, which removes all the challenge from these games, the coins just make all of this TOO EASY!!
The Third One is Denuvo on PC, which can make the entire collection UNPLAYABLE!!!
Between the absence of the Michael Jackson music, the fact that you can't get Game Overs in Widescreen Mode, Denuvo, and all the other problems with this collection, it's just a mess. SEGA does not deserve to be in charge of the Sonic Franchise anymore!
Sonic 1 Forever
Sonic 2 Absolute
Sonic 3 A.I.R.
Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles with Shields +
Are still the definitive ways to play these titles. They have far more options than Sonic Origins ever has, like the option to have lives, the Super Peel-Out, the Insta-Shield, and the Drop Dash in the games themselves (along with unlimited lives if you want an easy time). Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles having multiple music options, along with the corrected cutscenes. Sonic 3 A.I.R. has all the MJ tracks along with the Prototype Music and a couple of tracks from past Sonic games. And they all have Mod Support. Plus, Amy Rose is now playable in Sonic CD Restored & Knuckles.
And why pay 40 bucks for the lackluster Sonic Origins collection, when you can get Sonic Mega Collection + and Sonic Gems Collection and not only get better versions of the games in Sonic Origins, but also get even more games? Granted you would have to get older video game consoles, but right now Sonic Origins certainly is not worth 40 dollars.
Might get this on Nintendo Switch, but only on a DEEP discount with all the bugs ironed out. But seriously, SEGA should just give up and sell the Sonic Franchise to someone who is willing to take better care of it.
I honestly like the Super Sonic and Ending theme. It sounds great to me. You should remember that Sonic 4 music is supposed to sound like it’s from the Genesis games. The beta tracks tho, yeah, I don’t like the style
Sonic 4's music sounds nothing like the Mega Drive Sonic instruments, it's not even close.
@@telekinesticman I meant it has Genesis parts. And also, I happen to like Sonic 4. I don't care if it doesn't play like it's supposed to, I had fun playing it
The 40 dollar tag really is for s3&k... And its a complete rip off.
"The entire score is completely compressed!"
Why 9.5 times out of ten, fans never mention the entire soundtrack in origins?
And why tf would any on pay 40$ for a game that has its soundtrack emulated from the genesis?
Even the composers from S&k c tried harder!
Granted it can be really sh!tty espesually depending which soundfont you have, but hey atleast they put in some effort and tried to mix them up to "fresh" them up.
i think u get me when i say i like the idea of sonic and fan games like utopia but i want a sonic game where i actually feel the effort i feel like sonic games are finally giving there all for one last attempt but i just don’t feel it the games feel lazy they feel like a tech demo for a another company to improve on this is the reason i praise unleashed because it feels like a triple A game in my eyes
I love a lot of the changes and additions that origins added to sonic 3K to help flesh out some of the story and environments a bit more, but the immense number of technical issues with the remaster makes me rather I’d wait for the sonic 3 air: origins features mod.
Do you still have the same thoughts on Sonic Frontiers you did in this video as of now
For the most part, yes. No new information about that game has drastically changed my opinion on it, and if anything, the more they show off the core movement and Cyberspace levels, the more negative I feel on the game.
@@telekinesticman how about now
@@thecoolbroscoolman4672 I'm in the middle of editing a video about Frontiers! It should be out in a few weeks.
Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my favorite of the original trilogy and my favorite game of all time.
It's shameful that Sega released it in a horribly broken state back then.
I have not bought this collection, and I probably never will.
I’ve only played the mobile versions of Sonic.T.H.1, C.D, and 2 and I like them but I have some issues with them.
- The lock on rolling thing you mentioned here which is in Sonic.T.H.1 and 2.
- When I collect all the Chaos Emeralds in the games I listed, Tails can’t help Sonic fly up and Knuckles can’t glide without turning into their super forms.
- Super forms can’t be turned off.
- Knuckles boss fight with the Death Egg Robot is terrible as his lower jump height gives him a disadvantage.
I have more but these are the ones I’ll list.
These games already have multiple releases on current consoles, there is no "only option". No subversive piracy needed .
I find it odd they got the Drop Dash wrong in S1 and 2 yet right in CD, since unlike 3K that was handed to the original team that made the engine, CD was given to the same group who ported over the other two remakes.
CD also gets it wrong, just that there's no roll lock because CD on the SEGA CD never had one (maybe because the JP staff realized it's dumb)
CD and 3&K were the only classic Sonic games that didn't have the "roll lock" as Caellum explains in the video
I'm a bit late to the party (In fact, I just found this video in my recommended), but this is honestly a really well put together review/critique on Origins. Bare in mind that I 100% the game on Xbox Series X, so I didn't have to deal with Denuvo. While I was playing the game, I didn't really notice a lot of the problems that the games had during my first run of the game, at least for the most part. I only really noticed issues once I got to Sonic 3 & Knuckles when I got to Mushroom Hill and, despite countless resets, I couldn't snag a giant ring requiring a well timed Spin Dash to jump across a top part of the stage despite perfectly copying what I always did in the Mega Collection. Only after that did I really take a look online and see all the controversy surrounding Origins.
After that, my opinion has soured a bit on the collection, albeit not to the same extent that others have felt. Maybe this is because I could be considered a "novice Sonic fan" since I only became a fan during 2011 with Generations which encouraged me to go back and play every single game from the series prior to that point. I tend to try and maintain a bit more optimism with how I view Sonic, but I feel views like yours are super important to hear and give perspectives that deserve to be taken into consideration. I'm still excited about Frontiers since I personally feel it's shaping into something that I'm almost certain I'll enjoy, but I can also see why you and many others aren't too happy with the direction it's taken.
Once again, great video you've got here, and I hope you're able to find some enjoyment out of Sonic again in the future.
PS3 and xbox360 has a sega classics collection developed by Backbone that includes Sonic three and knuckles that has the original music if you can't get it on the original hardware or can just emulate it.
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Love these kinds of videos keep up the good work.
Excellent video, especially on the bugs and glitches part, there was a lot that I didn't see on Twitter, and damn these aren't tiny things that can just be ignored.
It's sad that I've reached the point where I'm worried about a potential Mania 2 because if the games that put Sonic on the map to begin with aren't safe from SEGA's hindering, then nothing will be safe.
It's so frustrating to see SEGA miss so many easy Ws intentionally and never learning their lesson.
In the meantime there's Klonoa that comes out fully functional day one, everyone likes it, it gets sales, everyone wins, it's so simple yet SEGA keeps making it harder for themselves. (ironic considering they keep making those games even easier lol)
I agree with pretty much everything you said about Frontiers as well, only thing I'm waiting for in that regard is the soundtrack.
I hate how the SK final boss is called the Great Eggman Robo. It just sounds anticlimactic for a robot as huge as it is. I would’ve called it the Egg Colossus personally. (Also, you can listen to music in the meuseum. You just have to have made a playlist in order to hear the songs)
If SEGA's messing up the music, then there goes the last remaining thing they could get right.
This collection feels redundant since we’ve already got better versions made by the fans (sonic 1 forever, sonic cd restored, sonic 2 absolute and sonic 3 air)
Sonic Origins was rushed. It's missing the Sonic games for the Master System, Game Gear, 32X and the Saturn. And the new Super/Hyper tune sucks. Sonic Team, Christian Whitehead and Jun Senoue should have reused the prototype/PC version of the unused Super/Hyper tune for the Sonic 3 remake, but no, they screwed it up big time. Plus, the levels in Sonic 3 are not in the correct order. The correct level order in Sonic 3 is Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden, Carnival Night, Flying Battery (At night), Ice Cap, Launch Base, Mushroom Valley (Mushroom Hill's true name), Sandopolis, Lava Reef, Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary, Death Egg and Doomsday. Plus, Knuckles' theme tune is not the original prototype/PC version and Lava Reef, Part 1's background music was not remixed and to be used as background music for Lava Reef, Part 2. In other words, Lava Reef, Part 2's background music sounds nothing like Lava Reef, Part 1's background music. Lava Reef, Part 2's background music is the Hidden Palace background music played twice. For example, ever played the Genesis/Mega Drive version of Sonic 3D Blast (aka Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island)? In the Volcano Valley levels, there are two different versions of the Genesis/Mega Drive version of the Volcano Valley background music. For example, Volcano Valley, part 2's background music is a more softer remixed version of Volcano Valley, part 1's background music. My point being is, Lava Reef, part 1's background music should have been remixed and used as Lava Reef, part 2's background music instead of recycling the Hidden Palace background music. And one more thing: Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic's eyes are supposed to be black, not green.
All good except for that last part... ooh, that takes me back.
@@michaelg4981 Then how did the snowboard appear in the Ice Cap level in the official release of Sonic 3? That snowboard was meant to be the Flying Battery door that Sonic smashed through.
From what I've heard, Christian Whitehead didn't work on the Origins remake of Sonic 3 cause he's apparently working on a unannounced game for his gaming studio, Evening Star. I think the only contribution he did to Origins was updating the Retro Engine to run in the compilation. It was just Headcannon that worked on the remake of Sonic 3. Now, about the 32X and Saturn games getting rereleased. Unfortunately, I don't think those games are getting rereleased, ever again.
Tho, I agree with your point that they should of added the Master System versions of Sonic 1, 2, Chaos, Blast, and Spinball since the Game Gear versions of those games have massive screen crunch (also, looks like there adding the Game Gear games, behind another paywall.). Also, Lava Reef Act 2 is a remix of Act 1. It's hard to tell but it's there. Also, let's be honest Super Sonic's eyes being green is really not an issue.
Why can’t Sega just put out a definitive remaster that replaces the originals. At this point I would prefer straight up emulated ports.
Every time SEGA/Sonic Team keep history (or more likely rehashing stage/repeating game during development) they’re doom to fail (expect for Sonic Adventure DX & Sonic Adventure 2 BATTLE - Dreamcast Original and GameCube Version)
Also they should let Tee Lopes to do his version version of S3&K OST 🤔
And then Superstars was trash
Two words: Sonic Team.
If Sonic Team was never involved with Origins to begin with, the product would've been fine.
An potentially amazing collection destroyed by Sega scummy dlc practices, rushing the game, and not hiring tee lopes for the music. Lastly they fucking even refused to let the devs work on the game morr
Wow, has it already been two years since the PlatinumGames video?! Lord have mercy.
This was a great showcase of Origins' issues, excellent work. I'm still learning new things about just how unfinished and busted it is. I am also, of course, disappointed that it doesn't quite have the same quality/quantity of previous Sonic compilations. It makes me so sad to see that not even a collection of already-good Sonic games is safe from Sega's tomfoolery. That's honestly even more of a killing blow for me than Colors Ultimate, Forces, or how questionable Frontiers looks. Speaking of Frontiers, I also hope to get a review copy, because I'd still like to play the game and see what's up with it. I do not intend to buy it brand-new myself, though.
Unblock me Brian. I apologize for saying it’s weird to think cartoons are hot.
I personally never got the impression they're making a sonic mania 2 from origin's ending cutscene😅? Honestly would look forward to that more than frontiers(which I still want out as the nostalgia baiting is good, but to compete with Mario and other IPs, sonic needs to grow as a franchise (argubly the fandom should as well 😂 least the toxic parts))
I should clarify that when I say the Origins ending "teases" a Mania sequel, I don't mean in the way you're probably thinking. I don't mean that it's intentionally soft-announcing anything, I mean that's it literally "teasing" me by showing off exactly what I want but not necessarily delivering. A tease can imply the denial of giving the teased person what they want, showing them something they know they want, but not giving it to them. Like dangling candy above a small child. That's what I mean when in this instance when I described it as a tease. Not a Marvel movie teaser trailer.
@@telekinesticman ah I think I get it now, thanks lol
I want one too but I think that was most likely supposed to set up mania being in a future collection
It sucks this is the only way to play sonic 3&knuckles if you don't have a gaming pc
You can play Sonic 3 on any modern machine, you don't need a good computer. Just download the ROM, Kega Fusion, and plug in a controller.
@@telekinesticman When I try playing Kega Fusion in fullscreen, it straight up does not work and has basically given up on me. Other then that, everything else of the emulator runs fine. Has to be an issue for me or something.
@@ThePlayerinBed I think I've had that same problem before when trying to run it fullscreen. Not quite sure how I fixed it.
@@telekinesticman Nevermind, I fixed it. Overriding high DPI behavior by System Enhanced seems to fix the issue, I also heard that if you enable 'Run this mode in compatibility for: Windows 7' also fixes the issue so I did that and the fullscreen works fine now. Edit: I am literally wrong, cause after I wrote this. Kega Fusion once again froze when I tried going in fullscreen, changing the window size by 320x430 and changing the fullscreen resolution to 1280x720 seems to fix the issue.
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For me, no.
I want the original product, but better, not the original product have some improvements but the overall experience be worse.
I will not buy this game, and probably never will.
I never played Sonic.T.H.3&K, which is unfortunate, but I’d rather not deal with the games problems just to play the best Sonic game (or at least the best Classic Sonic game).
At least I have Sonic Mania Plus.
Hey At least you can retry special stages however I'm not going to buy the game in till the bugs are fixed
You CAN actually skip the score tallies, it's just inconsistent.
Also you can listen to music in the museum, you just need to add it to a playlist first
I probably made a bad decision by getting Origins when it released, but I have been enjoying playing it nonetheless. Thus far I've made it up to a bit after beating Sonic 2, and have had fun having a real replay of the games after all this time. But I do really hope that they wind up releasing an update further on down the line that helps with some of the issues outlined here though. Of course none of us are so sure that's gonna happen but I really hope that they do.
just play the mobile ports of 1, 2 and CD, because that's 3/4 games in origins for FREE (with ads, but it's bearable) and if you REALLY don't like ads you can pay like 6 bucks (overall) so you remove ads in all the mobile ports, its a way better deal than forty dollars for a game that you can play (mostly) for free
This makes me sad because I honestly had a blast with origins. I only ever got to play sonic 1 2 and cd on mobile and it wasn’t fun because a glass screen is NOT the way you want to play a sonic game. I finally got that chance with origins and I genuinely had an amazing time with all of them, ESPECIALLY 3K and cd. But even before jumping online I knew the game was littered with problems. Tails jumping in sonic 2, sonic 3’s muffled music, collision problems, FUCKING DENUVO AGAIN COME ON SEGA I THOUGHT YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON, etc.
Let me tell you one that I experienced. In sandopolis act 2 there were several collision problems that lead to instant death and the checkpoints DID NOT WORK. This means everytime the game bugged out, I had to start the ENTIRE level all over again. It lasted hours and I was pissed by the end of it.
I really hope headcannon is able to work on patches, because glitches aside this was a very solid title. It was still over priced though, and that dlc is laughable.
Best way to play the original Sonic games is on the Mega Drive and Mega-CD.
or Android, IOS, Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 3 A.I.R.
People just ignored Sonic Origins from SEGA and decided to move on fan remasters.
Critique of Sonic boom when?
Thank goodness my brother said I should cancel my preorder, I would’ve been mad if this is where my 45 dollars went to.
i'm a former musician. i made a video on my main channel titled: "If Sonic Origins Had Good Music" where i replaced the prototype tracks with better music (from the same game) i used the multiplayer tracks & it sounds infinitely better than the tracks they went with. everybody here should check it out.
Hey I enjoyed ur video. I have 3 questions: do u think this period of time is the worst sonic has ever been ? Because during the so called '' dark age" of sonic we were still getting great games every year.
2nd question: what do u think will happen if frontiers flops( this is probably a 60 percent chance)
3rd do you think sega even cares about sonic anymore? I feel they only make them now because they feel obliged instead of making them cuz they want to please the fans. I have more questions to ask but that's enough for today
I'm not sure if I would consider this era worse, but it's hard to disagree. There have been so many awful games, but at least the supplementary things have still been good. If Frontiers flops, which it won't because it's Sonic, maybe they'd finally reconsider their approach to mainline Sonic games. I'm sure plenty of people at SEGA do care about Sonic, but those in charge probably just see it as their easy way to make money.
@@telekinesticman this might be unrelated, but apparently it had been leaked by a credible leaker that sonic 5 is coming next year and it dimps might be making the game. What are ur thoughts if that turned to be true. Personally I loved every game made by dimps except for sonic 4.i personally believe that they can make a great 2d sonic game.
@@ehabseifo1407 if Dimps is working on it then I immediately lose interest. They've made a few decent games like Advance 1, 2 and the Rush series, but I don't trust them, or Sonic Team to direct them.
@@telekinesticman they did mess up with sonic 4 and sonic lost world 3ds. But they are extremely talented and they knew with rush and advance series the essential elements of making a good 2d sonic game: momentum and intricate level design. Unlike sega. But according to zippo, they were making it until it was halted and sonic team Co tinued making it for them. If sonic team is making it then I get rly worried cuz they still don't know the essential elements of making a good 2d sonic games. Let's hope the mania team is involved as they have been teasing mania sequel for a while. It all depends on the footage they show us.
@@ehabseifo1407 Dimps? Still? They haven't made a Sonic game since what, 2013?
I think I tried the drop dash once and knew that was enough to pass for the whole collection.
Sega can't even make remakes of classics without rushing it anymore, even with direct fan-development, so when they hire fans, which they should always do for the rest the current + the entire next console / handheld generation to literally see what makes sonic so successful, they should let hired fans take literally 100% of the control over the games, & if that even doesn't work, then they should let hired fa's take 100% of the control permanently, well that is IF they fail with frontiers (for me frontiers is the last chance until my oppinion is set), if frontiers fails then without hiring talented fans & letting them take over for 100% the franchise it's gaming side (official i mean) iscompletely dead for all i'll care anymore, though there is still an atleast 60% chance i still buy those, idk I guess deep down it really is impossible to leave the franchise for some reason