Best that takes some extra talent. Perfect plex, figure four, I've Chokeslamed and powerbombed the odd tweeker... I'm no fighter... They just easy and stops a fight pretty quick
I say the figure four….. bc it actually hurts like hell to one man when laying on your back, and literally hurts like hell to the other man when rolled over
Good of Bret to be honest about where he got the hold from. He saw Sting use it, and asked around and Konan showed him. So Sting had it first. You can argue over who did it best but Sting had it first. One of Bret's signature traits is his integrity. He's no liar. He might be wrong or inaccurate, but not intentionally.
It was never a question of who did it first. There's plenty of video footage existing that establishes who did it first. Anybody who would argue that Bret did it first doesn't know their history at all. Now Bret did do it best.
Noooo, Sting did not have it first! It was invented by the legendary Korean-Japanese wrestler Riki_Choshu. The vast majority of moves that are amazing in Western wrestling were stolen from Japanese wrestlers who were and still are light years ahead of Western wrestlers.
@@sleazyfellownot early in his Mexican career he wanted to be the top star (like everyone else) try to find out about his rivalry with vampiro in Mexico.
I always liked konan as a wrestler and loved seeing him come out to the ring on nitro as a kid and im sure he would have remained humble but he had no reason not to be humble. Brett rightfully was about where the move came from. Great job on both their parts. Hearing this story made me smile. Great job Brett!
This makes perfect sense because I honestly have always felt that Konnan was an absolute expert of submissions. Dude uses so many submission holds in the course of his matches, it's nuts.
Invented by Karl Gotch, used by Riki Choshu in Japan. In the US, used by Adrian Adonis, Ronnie Garvin & Sting before Bret had started his singles career.
Popularized by Riki Choshu, but Gotch taught that hold to a lot of his trainees. There are photos of Samson Kutsuwada using the hold 2-3 years before Choshu made his debut.
The only difference between the way Sting does it compared to Bret. Is Sting starts the move with his right leg and, Bret starts it with his left. Both made huge impacts on the business. I’m a fan of both Sting and Bret. 🙏🏻
@Covisi0n Bret actually sits on your back, leans way back and applies real pressure. Brets move looks as legite as it possibly can. Sting always takes a seated position but leans way forward, making sure to not put any pressure on his opponent. Stings move looks like crap honestly. Even Owen's looked better than stings.
He's a good blend of lucha, power and technical styles, which fit him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but not the massive bodybuilder type either. Very underappreciated.
@@filmsceneinvestigation Sting didn’t invent the move. It was invented by Karl Gotch in the early 1970s in Japan. Sting wasn’t even the first to use it in North America. Adrian Adonis and Ronnie Garvin both used it before Sting did.
Sting first used the Scorpion Deathlock in 1987 and Bret Hart would first use it in 1991 when he pursued a solo career. When Sting applies the Scorpion Deathlock, he applies it quick. Bret would apply the Sharpshooter methodically and tight.
@@9577frasier His tag team finisher was a jumping clothesline, called the Hart Attack. Whenever he wrestled singles matches, his finisher was the pile driver, but almost everyone was using that as a transitional move at the time.
Nash has always been really complimentary and straight up about Brett. He even said he would never let smaller guys do to him the moves Brett did. Said it was cause Brett made it look so good.
Not really, Nash and his friends piled on Bret for years for not taking more money as champion, thus not lifting all tides as it were to make them more money. So, Nash had a big beef with Bret over that.
As long time Bret fan, this is really surprising and informative. Hitman showing a lot of integrity here. Even though he wasn’t the inventor of the move, Bret really made it unique to him. He was the only one I ever saw that would step through with his left foot opposed to his right such as Sting,Owen , Benoit and even Rock(He had the ugliest version lol). Hats off to Bret though.
CM Punk made an even worse one, though it was an attempt at Bret Hart's variation he did not get his leg in right I think it was against Dom, yeah he messed it up and Dom as well@@SiriusV21
@@aoisora1445 There really isn't a variation, it's just a nice way of saying someone is doing it wrong. Whether you step over with your left foot or right foot doesn't make a difference, as they should just result in mirror images of each other. If done correctly, the victim has one leg trapped between your thigh and his other leg, so you're only holding onto one ankle. The Rock grabs both ankles with the same arm, which is very unstable and ugly. Shawn Spears does it a little bit cleaner, but he still crosses the victim's legs in the wrong order, so he winds up holding onto the near leg, not the far leg as he's supposed to, which is still less stable than when it's done correctly.
Bret is a good guy. I feel the business misses a man of his integrity and passion. My first big introduction to him was his WWE run in 2010 (ikr?), but having grown up and studied the history of the sport, Bret is one of my all-time favourites. Class personified.
Its well known, not just from this interview that Bret got the idea of the Sharpshooter from Sting. What is surprising, is the Konnan part, as back in those days, Konnan was not a big name in the wrestling industry, as he was still working on his craft, and did a bunch of things in Mexico and some in Japan but was a WCW guy as soon it could happen.
Yeah, Brett said this in an interview about 20 years ago, it was in the early 2000s. As a WCW fan I always hated when WWF fans who weren’t even paying attention to southern wrestling until the mid 90s would always try to tell me that Sting stole it from Bret when the southern fans knew that Sting have been using that match for a few years before Brett Hart started his solo career. I’m not saying anyone’s deliberately lying I just think so. Many people think everything great came from the WWF and with Brett Hartz fans it’s pretty much whatever happened happened in Canada and the WWF. But yeah, Brett’s been honest about this for 20 years. I was actually surprised because that interview where he first said it is almost 2 decades old now that there have been so many people over the years that didn’t know the truth about it.
This is why he is my favorite wrestler of all time! He doesn't lie like so many other wrestlers. You know how many other wrestlers would say yeah, I was the one who made that up 👏🏼 👏🏼 Best there is, best there was & the best there ever will be!!!
There is an actual reverse figure four that is different than the sharpshooter. Instead of crossing the leg and standing, the wrestler applying the hold steps on his opponents foot and drops down.
Sting used the leg lock first. Bret’s initial finisher as a singles competitor was a Piledriver. Prior to that was “The Hart Attack” clothesline with the assistance of then tag team partner, Jim Neidhart. The first time I saw the scorpion deathlock used in the WWF was by Ronnie Garvin
Bret is the 🐐 honest and speaks facts fearlessly. The best there is, the best there was, the best there will ever be for the reason. Excellence of Execution 🤘🏼
Worst drawing WWF Champion from 1992 until 2001. Still holds the distinction as the WWE Champion to draw the lowest crowds at the MSG, Meadowlands and Saddledome and main eventing the worst selling PPV ever.
a lot of bitter hater here🤣🤣🤣...please dont cry ok..even if you wake up in the morning or much worst,you did not,he is still the best there is,the best there was,and the best that ever will
My favourite through & through. Just for being a perfect role model even to this day. He could’ve lied or twisted stories around but instead gave honest credit where it is due 🙏
Really decent brett gave konan props for teaching him his signature move. Most guys would say they knew how to do it. Like Michael Hayes saying he showed stone cold the stunner, when really austin said he took the move from Mikey whipwreck in his short time in ECW
The complete antithesis of Hogan who would have told ya “Brother, I learned the leg drop from Burgess Meredith on the set of Rocky 5 while I was playing bass in Van Halen, Brother”
"I taught Bret Hart how to put on the Sharpshooter, brother! I was in Japan, I was due to work an event that night, I was flying back to the US to rehearse with Metallica and then I'd fly back to Japan, I got a call on the plane from Bret saying, you gotta help me brother, I need a new submission move - so I taught him the same move that I taught Sting which became known as the Scorpion Deathlock, which he got from Japan because I taught the Japanese wrestlers the move!"
Konan was an awesome competitor before he became K-dawg he was in great condition wwf had him under max something or other I think joking the nwo he was not used correctly as far as wrestling goes so he hardly wrestled and it was obvious in his physique but man what a mind and hear for the business definitely deserves more credit for what he’s done just ask Rey Misterio and as you can see in this video Bret Hart I’m sure there are many others.
Max Moon, which was ridiculous. They didn't know how to use him. Even in his nWo Black & White run, he never was all that noticeable. It was during his Wolfpac run when they finally gave him some mic time and realized....oh, this dude can talk. He's also a good blend of the lucha, power and technical styles, which suited him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but smaller than the jacked up bodybuilder types.
Yeah Konnan told this story years ago on the Wrestling Observer Radio show, and it was basically the same way Bret told it. It was well over 15 years ago, and at the time Konnan was known for having great interviews with Dave.
Bret fan for life ever since saw him the first time on cable Tv in 1992,me and my dad took to his style of wrestling,RIP to my dad who left us in 2019, even in his later years any mention of The Hitman brought the glow back in his eyes❤
The most important thing to Bret was always the respect of his peers over everything else, you can tell he wants to be remembered as a person like how the business looks at someone like Undertaker.
Bret Hart mentioned that he refused to wrestle Curt. I'm curious as to who he's talking about because the only Curt I remember is Curt Hennig and they obviously wrestled each other in that awesome SummerSlam match in 1991 so that couldn't be him.
...and Sting is still wrestling. It's a shame he missed so much injury time at his peak. He's still in the GOAT conversation, but I feel the Sting = GOAT argument would be a lot stronger if he wrestled more in the mid-late 90s/early 2000s and his WWE run wasn't completely botched. Bret had a long, successful career, but Sting started earlier and has been on top far, far longer. All that said, while I'm the biggest Sting fan, I have to put my bias aside and say that Bret's version of the Sharpshooter/SDL is my favorite of the two. Just something about how Bret locked this opponents legs up that was subtle, but really made it look like there was no escape, whereas sometimes Sting's was so quick the opponent leg positioning could be a bit sloppy. Bret did it the same every time, even against larger opponents.
Gotta love memories. Because I knew 100% that I saw Rugged Ronnie Garvin put this on Greg the Hammer Valentine. A little research (very little) shows that match took place on January 21, 1990. That was 2 years before Konnan made his debut in the WWF.
@@PaulSmith-sb7sj It actually goes back to the 1970s in Japan. Karl Gotch taught it to a lot of his Japanese trainees. Riki Choshu is the one who became known for it around 1974, but there are photos of other wrestlers using it 2-3 years prior to that.
0:44 - "I refused. I'll quit and go home before I wrestle Curt" Ok. THIS confuses me. I thought the two did not have a problem. And they went to have some really great matches down the road.
Bret Hart is a real one foretelling the truth about Conan teaching him the Scorpion Deathlock... and also Bret Hart had the best saying... the best there is... the best there was and... the best there ever will be.
I think he used stings scorpion deathlock for the story because most people wouldn’t know who he is. konnan was telling the story and said he forgot that he helped Bret with the move until people asked him about it. But he said Bret approached him and asked if he could help him with the Riki choshu move. They didn’t really bring stings name but I guess it was made so popular by sting so they just said his name.
Problem is Ronnie Gravin was doing the reverse figure four in 90 against Greg Valentine and Terry Taylor was doing it in 88 as the Red Rooster . Konnan did join wwf until 93 so Brett had definitely seen it from other places than just Japan .
Hulk Hogan would not be a nobody if he didn't used backstage politics The Rock,Bret hart,Stone cold,Undertaker,Randy savage,Piper,mankind,Goldberg got over by themselfs unlike HOGAN who used backstage politics all the time whether wwf or wcw to get over he knew he wasn't good enough so he politics his way to the top he would be a nobody
im guessing he didnt want to break up the hart foundation with jim the anvil just to lose to mr perfect.......then they told him he was winning the ic and its buh bye jim
Sting learned it from Riki Choshu while on an excursion in New Japan and Riki isn't even the innovator so it goes back further than both Bret and Sting.
@@blake7871 Yeah to me it's like Undertaker getting love for the tombstone when Dynamite kid did that move like 8 years before him. Bret has the best execution of the move though
@@mrchaotiq That move in Europe was just a regular piledriver, that's how it was performed in Europe, that's not specific to Dynamite Kid it's just how he learned the piledriver in England.
Brett Looks A Lil Worn Down. I wanna c the Confident Brett I Grew up Watchin as a Kid. He’s The best there is, The Best there was. And the Best there Ever Will Be lol🤘🏾😎
It's interesting to hear he adopted it after Sting had made it famous because when ever a random wrestler has used the move since, announcers refer to it as a sharpshooter, never a scorpion death lock.
depends where you are normally in wwe they call it that but in other places i hear scorpion death lock and as a kid called it that until bret started doing it
Bret Hart was already retired way before I started watching WWF , i never knew him, but i always hear that he was betrayed the most by WWF. And looking at him he always looks so polite and humble person.
It’s nice to hear him credit Sting. The move resembles a scorpion,,, I’d like to know what made them think of sharpshooter. Only thing I can think of is the little green army men toys, the one soldier probed out in a sharpshooter position. His legs were laid out like in the same position they would be in the submission move, but flat on the ground
Because he's the hitman, and they snipe people usually, so they're sharpshooters... That name is Mitch cooler and with the character name makes it that much better
Resembles? It’s literally the same exact move, like an RKO is the exact same as the diamond cutter. I don’t what part would seem different except sting does it with his right arm and right leg, and Bret with his left, that’s the only difference
The "sharp shooter in the shower" would be a crazy name for the move. Yikes! Appreciate Brett's honesty. He should have tried it in catering for everyone's sake.
I watched pro wrestling as a kid and figured it out playing around with friends and watching Sting. Bret needed someone to show him, and he had to show Shawn. So, does that make me The Best There Is, The Best There Was, and the Best There Ever Will be at Show Stopping??? Seriously, first time I ever heard that he got the move from Sting and Japan. The rumor has always been he came up with it and Sting stole it. Much props for the honesty.
I've heard Saito invented it. But according to Konnan, neither of them actually knew (him and Bret) from WHO they saw the sharpshooter. They had both just seen it in Japan.
To add I have heard when I was much younger that Eddy Gilbert had done a tour in Japan and saw a Japanese wrestler use it. When he came home he was put with Missy Hyatt and Sting and Ric Stiner when they were a heel group in UWF, and Gilbert gave the move to Sting to use, and that is how Sting got the move but it was a Japanese wrestler that originally was using. I don't know how accurate that is but that is what I have heard.
This all happened at the TV taping for WWF Superstars on 26.03.1991 in Las Vegas, aired on TV 13.04.1991 with Bret wrestling an enhancement match. Konnan was actually there for a dark match try out at that taping, he wrestled a few try out matches in the early 90's and appeared on TV a couple of times as a jobber before getting the Comet Kid gimmick (later renamed Max Moon after he quit the role and was replaced by Paul Diamond). Konnan actually appeared in WCW first teaming with Rey Mysterio in the 1990 international tag tournament and caught the eyes of WWF officials. The stars really aligned for Bret with the only guy who knew how to perform the move correctly being a wrestler there for a dark match that particular night. A chance encounter that led to his most iconic move.
Bret's first sharpshooters were against The Genius and Thomas Hutch, and roll-up and DQ finishes against Barbarian and Warlord, and a sharpshooter to win the IC title from Mr Perfect. Sting used the scorpion death lock first, but his first big title wins over Flair and Luger were by pinfall. Bret beat Flair with a sharpshooter before Sting did. Bulldog was the first one to power out of the move, and Owen Hart was the first one to reverse it. Macho Man's first ever submission loss was in WCW, to a sharpshooter. Bret's first submission loss was in WCW, to a Torture Rack. (unless we count throwing in the towel with Backlund) Hogan's first time submission losses were also in WCW - Piper's sleeper hold, Luger's torture rack, and Sting's scorpion.
When he says he refused to work with Curt, is he talking about Curt Hennig?? I can't think of a single person include Bret in other interviews that said Curt Hennig was easy to work with and an amazing worker.
Of course Sting had it first, it’s called the Scorpion Death Lock because it bends your body into the shape of a scorpion. Sharp Shooter is clearly just some random name.
Sting may have been using the Scorpion Death Lock before Bret started using the Sharpshooter, but I always thought that Bret’s Sharpshooter always looked better because it looked like he would lock it in much tighter so it would hurt more than Sting’s Scorpion Death Lock.
Bret didn't say who taught him the hold in his WWE DVD set, but he did mention in it that he asked in the locker room one day if anyone knew how to do the scorpion death lock, and he said that fortunately someone did know and taught it to him. I never realized it was Konan.
I knew i had seen the Scorpion Death Lock years before Bret started using the Sharpshooter, but i hated saying so because of the backlash I would get. Having an interview where Bret admits it is great, even 30 years later
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Is the Sharpshooter the greatest finisher of all time? Let us know in the comments below!
Best that takes some extra talent. Perfect plex, figure four,
I've Chokeslamed and powerbombed the odd tweeker... I'm no fighter... They just easy and stops a fight pretty quick
I’d say Steiner screwdriver
Greatest submission
better than the leg drop
I say the figure four….. bc it actually hurts like hell to one man when laying on your back, and literally hurts like hell to the other man when rolled over
Good of Bret to be honest about where he got the hold from. He saw Sting use it, and asked around and Konan showed him. So Sting had it first. You can argue over who did it best but Sting had it first. One of Bret's signature traits is his integrity. He's no liar. He might be wrong or inaccurate, but not intentionally.
It was never a question of who did it first. There's plenty of video footage existing that establishes who did it first. Anybody who would argue that Bret did it first doesn't know their history at all. Now Bret did do it best.
In his book he said he asked “who knows how to do Riki Choshu’s finish?”
Sting did it before Bret, but he didn’t do it first. It was invented in Japan
Japanese did it first... Sting is not that famous as Bret Hart... Bret Hart make it famous the Sharpshooter
Noooo, Sting did not have it first! It was invented by the legendary Korean-Japanese wrestler Riki_Choshu. The vast majority of moves that are amazing in Western wrestling were stolen from Japanese wrestlers who were and still are light years ahead of Western wrestlers.
Fair play to konnan… I’ve never heard him bragging that he taught Bret the sharpshooter… humble guy… & fair play to Bret for telling it as it is…
In the showers
Konnan really helped alot behind the scenes. For Bret and of course the luchadores
@@sleazyfellownot early in his Mexican career he wanted to be the top star (like everyone else) try to find out about his rivalry with vampiro in Mexico.
I always liked konan as a wrestler and loved seeing him come out to the ring on nitro as a kid and im sure he would have remained humble but he had no reason not to be humble. Brett rightfully was about where the move came from. Great job on both their parts. Hearing this story made me smile. Great job Brett!
Konnan was like the Hulk Hogan in Mexico back then...look it up
I like that Bret is honest and gives credit where credit is due. I had no idea Konnan taught him the sharpshooter.
Agree
If I was the one who taught Bret Hart the sharpshooter I would never shut the fuck about it lmao
@@cozybones4644 hell yeah! Lol, "you see the move right there? I taught him that"
Same here
@@cozybones4644Exactly 😂😂😂😂😂
Konan taught Bret Hart the Sharpshooter? He might not have been a big star but he has had great influence on the business.
2 minutes with another man in the shower can change your life
😂@@jonathangoldsmith7832
To be fair, there are a lot of guys who aren't big stars, but are super smart about the business. Shane Helms is a guy like that.
@@jonathangoldsmith7832 well played! 🤣 best comment of 2024 so far!
I see what you’re saying mate but also depends what means ‘big star.’ He was ok in the US but in Mexico he was massive!
This makes perfect sense because I honestly have always felt that Konnan was an absolute expert of submissions. Dude uses so many submission holds in the course of his matches, it's nuts.
He wrestled all around the world and against all of the different wrestling styles, so yeah, it makes sense he'd be the one to know the move.
He's been friends with Norman Smiley forever. That's a great source if you want to learn subs.
I remember the tequila sunrise that konnan did that would be my submission if I was wrestling
He learned all of that in Mexico. From el dandy, la fiera, el negro casas, el negro Navarro, Apolo Dantes, etc....
i remember konnan's two submission moves that were never seen. one was breaking rey's knee (his nwo gimmick), that was sick.
Invented by Karl Gotch, used by Riki Choshu in Japan. In the US, used by Adrian Adonis, Ronnie Garvin & Sting before Bret had started his singles career.
Yep I remember watching Garvin vs Ric Flair a while back and shocked to see Garvin use it, as I had no idea who he was.
Popularized by Riki Choshu, but Gotch taught that hold to a lot of his trainees. There are photos of Samson Kutsuwada using the hold 2-3 years before Choshu made his debut.
I remember Ronnie Garvin using the hold in a match against Greg Valentine
Terry Taylor (as the Red Rooster) briefly too.
Bret hart’s version looked the best
The only difference between the way Sting does it compared to Bret. Is Sting starts the move with his right leg and, Bret starts it with his left. Both made huge impacts on the business. I’m a fan of both Sting and Bret. 🙏🏻
Sting's also looked lazy as he's just holding on while sitting.. while Bret sold it better by taking his time executing it.
@Covisi0n Bret actually sits on your back, leans way back and applies real pressure. Brets move looks as legite as it possibly can. Sting always takes a seated position but leans way forward, making sure to not put any pressure on his opponent. Stings move looks like crap honestly. Even Owen's looked better than stings.
@@Covisi0n Yeah Bret looked like he cranked it back more.
@@Covisi0n well they didn't call him the excellence of execution for nothing lol
Why wouldn't Bret Wrestle Curt?
Konnan is underappreciated.
He's a good blend of lucha, power and technical styles, which fit him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but not the massive bodybuilder type either. Very underappreciated.
Konnan was always one of my favorites in WCW.
@@filmsceneinvestigation Sting didn’t invent the move. It was invented by Karl Gotch in the early 1970s in Japan. Sting wasn’t even the first to use it in North America. Adrian Adonis and Ronnie Garvin both used it before Sting did.
@@zlinedavid His rolling clothesline✨
They’re both jabrons
Sting first used the Scorpion Deathlock in 1987 and Bret Hart would first use it in 1991 when he pursued a solo career. When Sting applies the Scorpion Deathlock, he applies it quick. Bret would apply the Sharpshooter methodically and tight.
Pretty sure they did alternate sides too. Bret would use his left leg to step over. Sting used the right.
People honestly forget before the Sharpshooter, the Hitman’s finish was the Piledriver
His finish move was the jumping clothesline
@@9577frasier His tag team finisher was a jumping clothesline, called the Hart Attack. Whenever he wrestled singles matches, his finisher was the pile driver, but almost everyone was using that as a transitional move at the time.
It was on some video games too
Legit, the piledriver is was more damaging than most of the other finishers people use.
I thought it was the heart attack(running neck breaker).
"Bret was always like. It's real. It's real. When he put you in the Sharpshooter you thought it was real" - Kevin Nash
Nash has always been really complimentary and straight up about Brett. He even said he would never let smaller guys do to him the moves Brett did. Said it was cause Brett made it look so good.
@@tinocontreras5105except the cage match
Not really, Nash and his friends piled on Bret for years for not taking more money as champion, thus not lifting all tides as it were to make them more money. So, Nash had a big beef with Bret over that.
@@AceFondu yeah but he did respect Brett's in ring ability and character as a person
@@AceFonduit wasn't really beef. They even worked together in WCW.
As long time Bret fan, this is really surprising and informative. Hitman showing a lot of integrity here. Even though he wasn’t the inventor of the move, Bret really made it unique to him. He was the only one I ever saw that would step through with his left foot opposed to his right such as Sting,Owen , Benoit and even Rock(He had the ugliest version lol). Hats off to Bret though.
Nah Shawn Michaels had the ugliest version 😂
CM Punk made an even worse one, though it was an attempt at Bret Hart's variation he did not get his leg in right I think it was against Dom, yeah he messed it up and Dom as well@@SiriusV21
@@SiriusV21 Nick Jackson's is pretty terrible as well.
@@aoisora1445 There really isn't a variation, it's just a nice way of saying someone is doing it wrong. Whether you step over with your left foot or right foot doesn't make a difference, as they should just result in mirror images of each other. If done correctly, the victim has one leg trapped between your thigh and his other leg, so you're only holding onto one ankle. The Rock grabs both ankles with the same arm, which is very unstable and ugly. Shawn Spears does it a little bit cleaner, but he still crosses the victim's legs in the wrong order, so he winds up holding onto the near leg, not the far leg as he's supposed to, which is still less stable than when it's done correctly.
He told this before on the DVD around 2006, though.
He needs a podcast, when he tells stories I know it’s the truth 💯
Bret is a good guy. I feel the business misses a man of his integrity and passion. My first big introduction to him was his WWE run in 2010 (ikr?), but having grown up and studied the history of the sport, Bret is one of my all-time favourites. Class personified.
Aww man dude you missed PRIME BRET HART in the early 90s
dude is a grumpy old man that hates everyone, lol.
As a kid in the 90s like me.. You see Hitman Bret Hart is like a Action figure.. Bret Hart is every kid's Hero
And his stories were so real, even the rumours, years later would not stop that even the screwjob was a story! But now most of us know the truth!.
Bret Hart is a class act and True JAM UP guy
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, what a class act, especially when he cheated hundreds of times on his wife
“He’s an Animal!! “An Animal!! An Animal!!”
@@camschuster5947......."shut up"
Who are you to doubt El Ciervo?
@camschuster5947 "I wanna say Hi to my one little fan out there.. "Hello Smokey.. my CAT"
I always thought that the Scorpion Deathlock was a much more badass name.
But it wouldn't fit Bret well. Sharpshooter goes with his "hitman" theme
The Rock should've named his version the Scorpion King Lock.
Looked about as convincing as the scorpion king!
@@exeortegarubioI always thought he should have used a variation of the Boston Crab and call it the Rock Lobster.
@@Wulfman317 You win the internet today
The best there is of this human being is not his skill in the ring but his humble and down to earth character as an individual.
Its well known, not just from this interview that Bret got the idea of the Sharpshooter from Sting. What is surprising, is the Konnan part, as back in those days, Konnan was not a big name in the wrestling industry, as he was still working on his craft, and did a bunch of things in Mexico and some in Japan but was a WCW guy as soon it could happen.
Yeah, Brett said this in an interview about 20 years ago, it was in the early 2000s. As a WCW fan I always hated when WWF fans who weren’t even paying attention to southern wrestling until the mid 90s would always try to tell me that Sting stole it from Bret when the southern fans knew that Sting have been using that match for a few years before Brett Hart started his solo career. I’m not saying anyone’s deliberately lying I just think so. Many people think everything great came from the WWF and with Brett Hartz fans it’s pretty much whatever happened happened in Canada and the WWF. But yeah, Brett’s been honest about this for 20 years. I was actually surprised because that interview where he first said it is almost 2 decades old now that there have been so many people over the years that didn’t know the truth about it.
Created by Mr Saito and originally used by Riki Choshu in NJPW
Yep!
Blue Demon used it at a major stage before Choshu. It's likely that Demon, Saito, and others learned it from Catch instructors.
Created by Karl Gotch
@@dannycruz5446 Correct. Gotch taught it to a number of his Japanese trainees.
Its awesome getting to hear the origins of such an iconic move and even better getting to hear Konan given hus props
I love how the crowd burst out laughing about going in the shower and he joked at it too 😂🤣
I wondered who dropped the soap first.
@@Trancymindit wasn't K-dawg for sure
My favorite wrestler in WCW was Sting and my favorite in WWE was Bret both doing same move 🤣
Same here
Konnan is an underrated worker. And he was entertaining on the mic. All around a great wrestler
"IN THE SHOWER, boys." Hahaha
This is why he is my favorite wrestler of all time!
He doesn't lie like so many other wrestlers. You know how many other wrestlers would say yeah, I was the one who made that up 👏🏼 👏🏼
Best there is, best there was & the best there ever will be!!!
Ronnie Garvin used it in the WWF in 1990 during his feud with Greg Valentine. They called it the reverse figure four
There is an actual reverse figure four that is different than the sharpshooter. Instead of crossing the leg and standing, the wrestler applying the hold steps on his opponents foot and drops down.
The reverse figure four is when turnover and lie on your stomach
@@horizontoday7874 that’s reversing a figure four yes. But the sharp shooter has also been called the reverse figure four prior to him using it.
Sting used the leg lock first. Bret’s initial finisher as a singles competitor was a Piledriver. Prior to that was “The Hart Attack” clothesline with the assistance of then tag team partner, Jim Neidhart. The first time I saw the scorpion deathlock used in the WWF was by Ronnie Garvin
Bret is the 🐐 honest and speaks facts fearlessly. The best there is, the best there was, the best there will ever be for the reason. Excellence of Execution 🤘🏼
He isnt the "goat". He was the champion in the worst era of wrestling. And that's just a stupid catchephrase.
Worst drawing WWF Champion from 1992 until 2001. Still holds the distinction as the WWE Champion to draw the lowest crowds at the MSG, Meadowlands and Saddledome and main eventing the worst selling PPV ever.
He talks 90 percent bullshit and 10 percent truth like the rest of them
a lot of bitter hater here🤣🤣🤣...please dont cry ok..even if you wake up in the morning or much worst,you did not,he is still the best there is,the best there was,and the best that ever will
@@rommelmahilum Can't handle the truth?
My favourite through & through.
Just for being a perfect role model even to this day. He could’ve lied or twisted stories around but instead gave honest credit where it is due 🙏
The Sharpshooter was a fantastic name for a fantastic hold.
Really decent brett gave konan props for teaching him his signature move. Most guys would say they knew how to do it. Like Michael Hayes saying he showed stone cold the stunner, when really austin said he took the move from Mikey whipwreck in his short time in ECW
Props to Brett to give credit to Sting for using the move and how Sting used It first...
The complete antithesis of Hogan who would have told ya “Brother, I learned the leg drop from Burgess Meredith on the set of Rocky 5 while I was playing bass in Van Halen, Brother”
"I got taught to reverse the sharpshooter into the leg drop by John F. Kennedy, when I was fighting the Viet Cong, Brother"
The Burgess Meredith comment got me lmfao
While been asked to join metallica
"I taught Bret Hart how to put on the Sharpshooter, brother! I was in Japan, I was due to work an event that night, I was flying back to the US to rehearse with Metallica and then I'd fly back to Japan, I got a call on the plane from Bret saying, you gotta help me brother, I need a new submission move - so I taught him the same move that I taught Sting which became known as the Scorpion Deathlock, which he got from Japan because I taught the Japanese wrestlers the move!"
You are so disrespectful, what is your problem??
Grow TF up.
Konnan's Tequila Sunrise is an underrated and underutilized submission as well.
And if I am not mistaken, Sting learned it in Japan, where it is called Sasori Gatame..meaning scorpion lock.
For clarification, he first seen the move in japan ! But got inspired by Sting using it and also rarely using and was taught it by konan
So Sting did in fact have the Scorpion Death lock before the Sharpshooter
I definitely recall seeing the Scorpion Deathlock first, but Brett is my favorite wrestler of all-time.
Konan was an awesome competitor before he became K-dawg he was in great condition wwf had him under max something or other I think joking the nwo he was not used correctly as far as wrestling goes so he hardly wrestled and it was obvious in his physique but man what a mind and hear for the business definitely deserves more credit for what he’s done just ask Rey Misterio and as you can see in this video Bret Hart I’m sure there are many others.
Max Moon, which was ridiculous. They didn't know how to use him. Even in his nWo Black & White run, he never was all that noticeable. It was during his Wolfpac run when they finally gave him some mic time and realized....oh, this dude can talk. He's also a good blend of the lucha, power and technical styles, which suited him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but smaller than the jacked up bodybuilder types.
Yeah Konnan told this story years ago on the Wrestling Observer Radio show, and it was basically the same way Bret told it. It was well over 15 years ago, and at the time Konnan was known for having great interviews with Dave.
I didn't knew THAT!... KONNAN?!!! Wow, my respect for this guy just skyrocket...
K-Dog 😎
Bret fan for life ever since saw him the first time on cable Tv in 1992,me and my dad took to his style of wrestling,RIP to my dad who left us in 2019, even in his later years any mention of The Hitman brought the glow back in his eyes❤
such honest and grateful 🙂
Thanks for staying and being there for the fans at a meet and greet in mn
so funny how Bret learned how to put on the Sharpshooter in the shower with Konan. and the crowd goes wild with cheers 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
The most important thing to Bret was always the respect of his peers over everything else, you can tell he wants to be remembered as a person like how the business looks at someone like Undertaker.
Except to Goldberg
Bret Hart mentioned that he refused to wrestle Curt. I'm curious as to who he's talking about because the only Curt I remember is Curt Hennig and they obviously wrestled each other in that awesome SummerSlam match in 1991 so that couldn't be him.
The original scorpion deathlock was created by Korean wrestler who wrestled in Japan.
1:58😂😂😂 classic Bret
...and Sting is still wrestling. It's a shame he missed so much injury time at his peak. He's still in the GOAT conversation, but I feel the Sting = GOAT argument would be a lot stronger if he wrestled more in the mid-late 90s/early 2000s and his WWE run wasn't completely botched. Bret had a long, successful career, but Sting started earlier and has been on top far, far longer.
All that said, while I'm the biggest Sting fan, I have to put my bias aside and say that Bret's version of the Sharpshooter/SDL is my favorite of the two. Just something about how Bret locked this opponents legs up that was subtle, but really made it look like there was no escape, whereas sometimes Sting's was so quick the opponent leg positioning could be a bit sloppy. Bret did it the same every time, even against larger opponents.
IMO Owen Harts Sharpshooter os better than Bret
Gotta love memories. Because I knew 100% that I saw Rugged Ronnie Garvin put this on Greg the Hammer Valentine. A little research (very little) shows that match took place on January 21, 1990. That was 2 years before Konnan made his debut in the WWF.
It was Garvin's move yeah. Adrian Adonis also used it in the WWF in '85.
@@dannycruz5446 -thank you. I didn’t know it predated 1990
@@PaulSmith-sb7sj It actually goes back to the 1970s in Japan. Karl Gotch taught it to a lot of his Japanese trainees. Riki Choshu is the one who became known for it around 1974, but there are photos of other wrestlers using it 2-3 years prior to that.
I never even knew Conan had an early wwe run
0:44 - "I refused. I'll quit and go home before I wrestle Curt" Ok. THIS confuses me. I thought the two did not have a problem. And they went to have some really great matches down the road.
He was gonna be jobbed out every night. This was just before SS 91
I had Tecmo Wrestling, the scorpion deathlock was one of the finishing manoeuvres.
Giant Swing was the best move in the game.
I can't believe this, I always talked down on the scorpion death lock thinking he stole it from Bret 🤦♂️ full credit to sting such a legendary move
Konnan: Ok I’ll show you Bret but you just dropped your towel.
Shawn: Bret’s seeing Moony Days!
Bruh... I LOVE Bret Hart... Sting is my all time favourite... and their feud in 98 was a dream for me.
Brets sense of humour is underrated. Funny guy, as well as the GOAT
Bret Hart is a real one foretelling the truth about Conan teaching him the Scorpion Deathlock... and also Bret Hart had the best saying... the best there is... the best there was and... the best there ever will be.
Sting was doing the Scorpion Deathlock before Brett became a huge star. I love them both,but I already knew who did it first.
To be fair, Riki Choshu was the first person to use the move.
Yes it was Riki Choshu.
I think he used stings scorpion deathlock for the story because most people wouldn’t know who he is. konnan was telling the story and said he forgot that he helped Bret with the move until people asked him about it. But he said Bret approached him and asked if he could help him with the Riki choshu move. They didn’t really bring stings name but I guess it was made so popular by sting so they just said his name.
One of the reason I like Brett he’s a straight shooter. Gave credit where credit is due. Shout out to Konan another cool dude
"And Konan learned it from me brother!"
-Hogan probably
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"And I learned it at Wembley when I was on tour with Metallica brother"
@@zlinedavid the night before andre died.
At least he solid on who helped him to get to where he is in the history book of wrestling.
Problem is Ronnie Gravin was doing the reverse figure four in 90 against Greg Valentine and Terry Taylor was doing it in 88 as the Red Rooster .
Konnan did join wwf until 93 so Brett had definitely seen it from other places than just Japan .
Yup, I remember Ronnie Garvin when he had his feud against Greg Valentine. I thought that was coolest submission hold ever.
Ronnie and Bret were on the same Survivor team.
Sting is one of the greatest legends of all time and has never gotten the recognition he deserves
Bret is the anti Hulk Hogan. He could just go along with the narrative, but he tells the truth instead.
Hulk Hogan would not be a nobody if he didn't used backstage politics The Rock,Bret hart,Stone cold,Undertaker,Randy savage,Piper,mankind,Goldberg got over by themselfs unlike HOGAN who used backstage politics all the time whether wwf or wcw to get over he knew he wasn't good enough so he politics his way to the top he would be a nobody
He said: No I didn't steal it from Sting, I stole it from Sting when he was in Japan.
The original is called the Scorpion Lock. Sting’s name is somewhat of tribute to the innovator from Japan.
What's the story behind Bret not wanting to wrestle Curt (Hennig I presume)?
I'm wondering the same thing. I'm guessing he didn't wanna hurt Kurt's push and take his belt? Because they were such good friends.
im guessing he didnt want to break up the hart foundation with jim the anvil just to lose to mr perfect.......then they told him he was winning the ic and its buh bye jim
Gotta be one of those two things cuz he was good friends with Curt Hennig
Yeah that was very weird I didn't understand that how she went into more about
@@masterfulsky😂
Props to Brett,i wouldn't except less from him though,always has been a stand up honest person
Konan showed him how to apply it but he said he stole it from Sting which is a huge revelation.
Sting learned it from Riki Choshu while on an excursion in New Japan and Riki isn't even the innovator so it goes back further than both Bret and Sting.
@@mrchaotiqTrue, but Sting brought it to the States.
@@blake7871 Yeah to me it's like Undertaker getting love for the tombstone when Dynamite kid did that move like 8 years before him. Bret has the best execution of the move though
@@mrchaotiq That move in Europe was just a regular piledriver, that's how it was performed in Europe, that's not specific to Dynamite Kid it's just how he learned the piledriver in England.
@@blake7871 Ronnie Garvin and Adrian Adonis were both using it in the states before Sting.
Brett Looks A Lil Worn Down. I wanna c the Confident Brett I Grew up Watchin as a Kid. He’s The best there is, The Best there was. And the Best there Ever Will Be lol🤘🏾😎
It's interesting to hear he adopted it after Sting had made it famous because when ever a random wrestler has used the move since, announcers refer to it as a sharpshooter, never a scorpion death lock.
depends where you are normally in wwe they call it that but in other places i hear scorpion death lock and as a kid called it that until bret started doing it
Bret Hart was already retired way before I started watching WWF , i never knew him, but i always hear that he was betrayed the most by WWF. And looking at him he always looks so polite and humble person.
It’s nice to hear him credit Sting. The move resembles a scorpion,,, I’d like to know what made them think of sharpshooter. Only thing I can think of is the little green army men toys, the one soldier probed out in a sharpshooter position. His legs were laid out like in the same position they would be in the submission move, but flat on the ground
"The Hitman" Bret Hard, Hitman = sharpshooter
Nice analogy. I never thought of that & yet I had the same army guys in the 80s.
Because he's the hitman, and they snipe people usually, so they're sharpshooters... That name is Mitch cooler and with the character name makes it that much better
Resembles? It’s literally the same exact move, like an RKO is the exact same as the diamond cutter. I don’t what part would seem different except sting does it with his right arm and right leg, and Bret with his left, that’s the only difference
pretty sure he meant that it resembles an actual scorpion, as in the arachnid
2:20 Vince str8 up stole stings move then years later when sting came to wwe Vince pretended not to know who sting was…
After watching that Netflix doc I can confidently say Vince knew who sting was. He pretends he doesn’t know because he wants to appear better than.
The "sharp shooter in the shower" would be a crazy name for the move. Yikes! Appreciate Brett's honesty. He should have tried it in catering for everyone's sake.
I watched pro wrestling as a kid and figured it out playing around with friends and watching Sting. Bret needed someone to show him, and he had to show Shawn. So, does that make me The Best There Is, The Best There Was, and the Best There Ever Will be at Show Stopping??? Seriously, first time I ever heard that he got the move from Sting and Japan. The rumor has always been he came up with it and Sting stole it. Much props for the honesty.
Wasnt it Riki Choshu's move originally?
I've heard Saito invented it. But according to Konnan, neither of them actually knew (him and Bret) from WHO they saw the sharpshooter. They had both just seen it in Japan.
I believe it was. At the very least he was the first to popularize it.
what was brets issue with wrestling kurt henning? just curious.
I think Vince hates Sting the most out of any wrestler from his time. To bad even Jesus had critics too.
Vince would have signed Sting in a heartbeat, especially in the 90s
Because Sting was one of those guys that never needed him.
Bret Hart is more famous.. nobody knows Sting.. I don't even know Sting until Bret Hart transfer in WCW
@@bomtru.20nobody knows Sting ? You shouldn’t be so hard on yourself …you’re a somebody . A little stupid but a somebody !!!
Why did Bret say he didn't want to work with Curt? I've looked around and can't find any answers.
What I want to know is why Bret didn't want to work with Curt 🤔
I assume it's not Curt Hennig because Bret has said on numerous occassions that Curt is his favorite opponent and a guy he had immense respect for.
To add I have heard when I was much younger that Eddy Gilbert had done a tour in Japan and saw a Japanese wrestler use it. When he came home he was put with Missy Hyatt and Sting and Ric Stiner when they were a heel group in UWF, and Gilbert gave the move to Sting to use, and that is how Sting got the move but it was a Japanese wrestler that originally was using. I don't know how accurate that is but that is what I have heard.
so Sting had it first!!!!!!!!
And Bret wanted to call it scorpion !
This all happened at the TV taping for WWF Superstars on 26.03.1991 in Las Vegas, aired on TV 13.04.1991 with Bret wrestling an enhancement match. Konnan was actually there for a dark match try out at that taping, he wrestled a few try out matches in the early 90's and appeared on TV a couple of times as a jobber before getting the Comet Kid gimmick (later renamed Max Moon after he quit the role and was replaced by Paul Diamond). Konnan actually appeared in WCW first teaming with Rey Mysterio in the 1990 international tag tournament and caught the eyes of WWF officials.
The stars really aligned for Bret with the only guy who knew how to perform the move correctly being a wrestler there for a dark match that particular night. A chance encounter that led to his most iconic move.
interesting. do you know which "Curt" he didn't want to wrestle? (@0:40 min.)
@@gregordurchaus2924 Hennig I'd expect.
Sting had been using it since qt least1988 if not earlier.
Bret first saw the Sharpshooter because of Riki Choshu in Japan
I can say that the sharp shooter is definitely Bret’s move. Any time someone else does it Bret immediately comes to mind. 👍🏻
Scorpion for me !!!
Even though he admits he had to learn the Scorpian from Koonan, and Sting named his the Scorpian.
Bret's first sharpshooters were against The Genius and Thomas Hutch, and roll-up and DQ finishes against Barbarian and Warlord, and a sharpshooter to win the IC title from Mr Perfect.
Sting used the scorpion death lock first, but his first big title wins over Flair and Luger were by pinfall.
Bret beat Flair with a sharpshooter before Sting did.
Bulldog was the first one to power out of the move, and Owen Hart was the first one to reverse it.
Macho Man's first ever submission loss was in WCW, to a sharpshooter.
Bret's first submission loss was in WCW, to a Torture Rack. (unless we count throwing in the towel with Backlund)
Hogan's first time submission losses were also in WCW - Piper's sleeper hold, Luger's torture rack, and Sting's scorpion.
finishers weren't used that much back in the 80's/early 90's unless it was a jobber match or Hogan
When he says he refused to work with Curt, is he talking about Curt Hennig?? I can't think of a single person include Bret in other interviews that said Curt Hennig was easy to work with and an amazing worker.
I think it was for a different reason remember Brett had some amazing matches with mr perfect.
I was looking online about this and can't find anything....it's an odd comment from bret if he means mr perfect
@@thejokerstyle100 Same, everything after that comment went in one ear and out the other...I just kept thinking, Curt Hennig??
Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve never heard a bad thing about Curt Hennig.
I was looking for this comment, I never heard that Brett and Hennig had heat before.
Great story!
I love the fact that he kept it 💯!!
It’s an easy move, but Rock’s had 20 years and still hasn’t figured it out
I hate the Rocks version
I’d love to see a submission match between Rock and Cena.
Of course Sting had it first, it’s called the Scorpion Death Lock because it bends your body into the shape of a scorpion. Sharp Shooter is clearly just some random name.
Sting may have been using the Scorpion Death Lock before Bret started using the Sharpshooter, but I always thought that Bret’s Sharpshooter always looked better because it looked like he would lock it in much tighter so it would hurt more than Sting’s Scorpion Death Lock.
I do it better than both of them.
Bret didn't say who taught him the hold in his WWE DVD set, but he did mention in it that he asked in the locker room one day if anyone knew how to do the scorpion death lock, and he said that fortunately someone did know and taught it to him. I never realized it was Konan.
Interviewer : Who stole the sharpshooter ?
Bret : fu*k Goldberg.
😂😂😂
I knew i had seen the Scorpion Death Lock years before Bret started using the Sharpshooter, but i hated saying so because of the backlash I would get. Having an interview where Bret admits it is great, even 30 years later