Talk Is Jericho: Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 13
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2021
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Steve Austin and Chris Jericho kicked the Forbidden Door open on the Broken Skull Sessions, and continue the conversation here with a detailed look at Stone Cold’s career! They break down a bunch of his memorable matches including some with Ricky Steamboat, Ravishing Rick Rude, Barry Windham, and Chris Benoit. Steve speaks extensively about his former tag team partner Brian Pillman and their run as the Hollywood Blonds, and his feud with Mr. McMahon and what Vince was really like in the ring. He also recalls Wrestlemania 13 and the double turn with Bret Hart, and his three Wrestlemania main event matches with The Rock. 
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So Jericho was on Stone Cold's podcast and now Stone Cold on Jericho's podcast.
Jericho is a true businessman
Probably why he agree to do stone cold show. He wouldn't just go boost a wwe show without some kind of benefit.
Thts how business works
Steve was Jericho's first guest on Talk is Jericho and got Austin into podcasting.
Two of my all time favs! 💪
You can tell every single time when Steve talks about Bret, how much he admires him.
RIP Jim 'the anvil' Neidhart 🙏🏽
Well said buddy.
Shows how much Austin loves and respects Bret -
"Bret Hart put me on the map. He made Steve Austin"
"Bret went over every single match I was wrestling and I was cool with it. I have never beat Bret in my entire career and I am not coming back to beat him"
Austin has a Raw win over Bret from 1997.
@@mikeroagreschen5350 Yeah, I always thought the same thing...it was the Raw after their IYH bout...a street fight with no ref, so technically not an actual match per say. But look, Bret is my all time fave...he lost to Steve that night. Then got pounded on in the ambulance by Steve after for good measure lol. Christ, I loved that era of WWE.
Austin did beat Bret at the April 1997 PPV called Takers Revenge albeit he won by DQ.
@@mikeroagreschen5350 by disqualification the one SCSA injured Bret's Leg and attacked him in the ambulance.
Yeah he's beat him in a DQ and a street match. So I'm assuming he means he never got to pin him clean in the ring, think that is what he means.
I don’t think you’ll ever find a Bret Hart match that someone would call “god awful”. Even against Kane (Issac Yakem) the matches were solid. Story was stupid, but Bret in the ring is as solid as it gets. He’s my GOAT
He made everyone look good.. he made nash look great😂😂
To be fair kane was always a solid wrestler despite his size
@@jonsnipe5484 ill admit I'm a nash mark but that's from bret/diesel matchs
@@jonsnipe5484 that was a fantastic match. Survivor Series 95 i believe
@@dietryin9710 yea first time brett took a extreme bump going thru the table
That match is a masterpiece.
That it was.....
Indeed
Greatest match I’ve ever seen
Bret Hat and Austin are legends Wrestlemania 13 was an amazing match for Bret and Austin
Yeah I think Bret Hat is an even better wrestler than Bret Hart
@@Ian-Omega loool
I heard the Rock talk about how good Stone Cold treated him when putting him over and I instantly thought "Bret did that for Steve and Steve is paying it forward to Rocky" 🙏
Bret got it from Roddy
Not a lot of people realize also that Bret Hart helped spring board the Rock as well. I remember shortly before Survivor Series in Montreal Bret Hart had a match with The Rock (before the rock was born as a character) and I think it really helped him. After that, he started having bigger matches and went his own way instead of just being a background member of the Nation of Domination.
Great point
Bret protected The Rock from the Clique
@@abrahamannan5801 Yep, the Kliq originally wanted to bury The Rock as one of their victims, but Bret did Rock a solid. There's a reason the Rock used the Sharpshooter in a bunch of his matches throughout the remainder of his career.
Austin vs Hitman at WM13 is, in my opinion, the greatest non Flair-Steamboat match in history.
Agreed, and their Survivor Series 96 match is nearly as good too.
I agree
What a silly comment
@@12345Yeah The irony of your statement is priceless.
@@12345Yeah explain how it’s silly.
Bret/Austin was an amazing feud. The thing that solidified Stone Cold as a major player. Even though it was a year and a half between SS 96 and when Austin won the belt at Mania14, it was clear he was going to be a (even THE) top guy in the company. Plus, that Mania13 double turn was perfectly done. Austin went on to become the top face and Bret did some of his best mic work as a heel through 97. If Montreal hadn't happened and Bret stayed, I'm sure he would have gladly done the job and passed the torch to Steve at WM14
That's how it should have been at WM14. But Vince couldn't afford Bret at that time. Had that not been an issue, then I'm also sure that Bret would have did the honors for Austin in a big Mania rematch for the title.
@@AChamblee87 vince could afford bret. After going back on thr deal. He used that money to get Tyson.
@@adrianelice9871 Oh really? I didn’t know that.
@@AChamblee87 No, he did not use that money to get Tyson. Bret was done with WWF at the time.
@@stonecold5373 2022 2036
Austin and Bret put on Masterclass matches. Top 3 rivalry in WWE and Austin went over crazy without actually winning. Some of the best storytelling in wrestling history.
Absolutely one of the greatest feuds of all time and it was so amazing to watch stone cold turn and become as Austin says “Bret hart made stone cold Steve Austin”. So many of the guys that are considered the best consider Bret as one of the the best.
That color changes the ending of that match from "great" to "instant classic"
Just one of the many hundred's of stories about Bret being told by the guys he worked with just how great he was. That match with Austin which is widely recognized as possibly the greatest match of all time by countless wrestler's passed and present. Bret used the idea of Steve getting color just as Piper did for the Bret/Piper match where Bret get's busted open. Just that thought process to understand how a "little spot like getting gigged" can affect the match and the fans reaction is what wrestling is about!! It's not about going Wooooo, or holding your hand behind your ear and taking your vitamins, or taking a slug of water and spitting it out trying to look all tough, etc.
I had no idea Austin called most of the match...I always assumed it was Bret due to his tenure. That's a fascinating wrinkle, and shows how much Bret trusted and respected Austin as a ring performer. Every match and encounter they ever had was a joy to watch.
I’m just learning that now, I always said Austin’s ring work was always overlooked but damn this was cool to know.
During those era the heels always call the matches =)
@@ernestcheong Ah...I always figured it was the guy with more tenure. Thanks for that nugget of info.
@@andreferguson2564 but it's another way around if it's cena haha
His face" but he call the matches
If you watch the match closely, they both call certain spots but Austin is leading more of it than Bret is. I think partly because Bret just trusted Austin's work that much, but also because this match was all about getting Steve over. Bret is the master at knowing that going over and getting over are two different things. Even though Bret knew that he was going to win the match, he knew that getting Steve over strong would be better for business in the long run.
Shows how much respect he had for Brett even though his brother broke stone colds neck almost paralyzing him for life
That fued with brett started his career in wwe.. it was a great fued
What an odd comment
@@sese6227 just saying he doesn't hold a grudge against Brett for what his brother did if you seen it you could you would cringe he dropped him on his head from a pile-driver
@@sese6227 not really. Owen hart ended his career and never apologized for it, the neck injury is why he had to retire in his prime. He had to have some kind of resentment.
Stone Cold actually said that injury forced him to change his wrestling style and it helped him getting more popular because it suited with his character more. I think that was on broken skull sessions with Bret. I remember I was very surprised because he didn’t seem angry at all! What a great man!
YES it makes sense, Y2J go to Broken Skull session and now Steve goes to Talk is Jericho....welp lets go again to hear 1 hour and sixteen minutes of AWESOMENESS.
@Craig Weir New fans come in every day.
The passing out with blood (color) was what sealed that match to be so memorable. Bret suggesting it brought more credibility to the passing out angle. And that image made Austin into a real bad ass. A turning point no doubt. Austin got even more Over and Brett turned heel and man Bret is so convincing as a Heel. Bret had a cool type character but became really hated afterwards. Too bad they didn't wrestle a lot more. Instant classics. Two of my favorites and most respected Pro wrestlers.
And then guest ref Ken Shamrock suplexed Bret to stop him from continuing to beat on Austin. Bret put over Austin and Shamrock AND turned heel all in one match.
@@jayteegamble One of the most realistic heels there's ever been. Meanwhile other wrestlers refused to be heels long enough so they wouldn't lose fans support. And Bret Hart was a true leader, who led a stable that wasn't really vocal or didn't have the best stars at the time. I'm specifically talking about Bulldog, & Anvil. They were getting up there in age & in many ways were past their prime. Pillman was limited by injury. Owen was the factions 2nd best.
But most other faction were either full of younger prospects or had many bigger name superstars.
Love how much love austin has for bret, I remember a story that hogan wanted to talk to bret at the hall of fame because bret wouldn't shake his hand and austin just took bret away and wouldn't even let hogan talk to him, austin has huge respect for bret and that says alot about how great bret was, him and shawn micheals the two greatest to ever do it bell to bell
Bret Hart was a guy trying to bring everyone up.
Hogan was a guy trying to keep everyone else down.
These matches proved Steve could work pre neck injury. After his neck injury he turned to more of a brawler and never did high spots. I've watched some of his WCW stuff lately and he was a great wrestler.
The Ringmaster
Even after his injury his matches were still great. I agree with you though, before he worked different and still worked greatly.
Especially his matches against Steamboat.
I love hearing these stories!
As a pro wrestling fan for over 30+ years Hart Austin match at Mania 13 still to this day in 2024 is a must watch for me
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Bret was spot on about getting color in the WM13 match, no doubt about it. Austin bleeding as much as he did really enhanced the finish, the double turn, everything.
Pro Wrestling story telling at it's best.
That's the Rock and Stone Cold thanking Bret Hart for giving them both the push, Bret was the main draw at the time. He didn't need to give any Wrestler a push and to think he knew these 2 stars could go on to be big stars and would take his place. It didn't matter to him because he loved the business and wanted the best for the business. Then you get Triple H and Shawn Michaels trying to block the rise of The Rock, that's the difference in Bret Hart and men like Triple H and Shawn. That's how great Bret Heart was, he for see two of the biggest stars in WWE history before anybody else. Shawn and Triple H didn't want anybody taken their spot and would rather block people from being big stars so it not affect their position. When Shawn screwed Bret, he really thought he had the power and Vince would listen to everything he said and he was the main man. He found out the hard way, when Vince said he had to drop the belt to Stone Cold and Shawn didn't want to but had no choice. The Undertaker was standing behind the curtain to make sure Shawn did the job for Stone Cold that night. Shawn then got mad because Tyson put the Austin 316 shirt over his face, then after went to the back to confront Vince and Tyson. Luckily for Shawn Shane Mcmahon calmed him down and he left the building. That was a man who thought after getting rid of Bret he would be the main man, him and Triple H thought they would run things. Then that happened to Shawn and The Rock and Stone Cold took over, when Shawn came back he had no choice but too accept it. That was the reason The Rock never wanted to do any favours for Shawn in the ring and they never faced each other. So thanks to Brat Hart and Vince not being dictated to by Shawn and Triple H, we witnessed the Attitude Era's biggest stars in Austin and the Rock. The Rock and Stone Cold have always appreciated what Bret did for them and that's why they were never close with Triple H and Shawn at the time. I think deep down Vince knew he made a huge mistake with Bret Hart by screwing him and I bet he would not do it if he had the choice again. I believe if Bret had of stayed in the Attitude Era it would have been even better. We would of seen Bret against Kurt Angle, Jericho and The Rock, he would had some classic matches.
I can never get enough of hearing some of my favorite wrestlers looking back at there matches. Always great to listen to.
in the 80s i was a huge hart foundation fan, and a big Bret Hart fan..... I was one of those kids that wanted those sunglasses soooo bad....i always get a big smile on my face when i hear the Hart Foundation.....great convo, Stone Cold has always been so respectful when it came to Bret and glad to hear him talk about Anvil too
its so good of steve austin to put bret hart over. for years wwf was diminishing bret and his greatness. he was the man and the screwjob just really screwed him over big time.
They both helped each other. Bret solidified Austin as a top guy and Austin revitalized Bret's career which led to some of Bret's best mic work as a heel in 97.
Just finished that great 2hr and 7min broken skulls interview with these two on peacock great interview.
This rivalry is a great way to get over even without winning. Made Austin look like the ultimate bad ass even in losing.
IT's great to see the respect Bret and Steve have for each other
My favorite match of all time with my two favorite wrestlers of all time!
I see that match and weep at the end, every time, to this very day.
Great interview!!! Thank you for sharing it!!!
It was such a fucking awesome match. Momment by momment. They carried complete professionalism.
Blood can be a great storytelling tool.
Had immediately click this video fast because of notifications
Same
I clicked on this immediately because of "Stone Cold" Steve Austin!
Dork
Bret and Austin was my absolute favorite Rivalry of all time! I feel it was everyone's favorite. Shit was brutal, and non stop!
This feud had just about everything any wrestling fan really could want.
For me, their match at WM13 will never be topped.
Incredible match, incredible storytelling!
Call me crazy, but that's the best match I've ever seen in my view. Pretty much all of my favourite matches involve Bret Hart. Steve had an incredible, unbeatable run in the WWF, but in terms of actual matches there, I think probably because of the neck injury, his best wrestling matches as a whole were in WCW, particularly with Brian Pillman in the Blonds and working singles with guys like Ricky Steamboat. They had some incredible, overlooked matches. But I think the neck injury basically ended the career of Steve Austin as a technical wrestler. Certainly, being more a brawler played into his gimmick a lot more, but as a wrestler, he was terrific in WCW and it's easy to see why Bret was the guy who wanted him brought to WWF in the first place. All Steve needed was the right gimmick and he got one in WWF. There's nobody like Bret Hart in wrestling today, a guy with the credentials and the desire to help other guys get over. Everyone's in it for themselves, or they think wrestling is a circus act rather than a psychological, kayfabe contest. That's why I'm not as big a fan of Shawn Michaels as some people are. He was athletic and did a lot of risky, spectacular moves, but as a wrestler, I much prefer Steve's and Bret's and to some extent Brian's before the injury.
Had Bret stayed in WWE into 1998,he ABSOLUTELY would’ve put Steve over clean from a Stunner at WM14. For Austin to close that chapter then do the same thing with Rock for 15,17,19 would’ve been perfection.
Stone Cold and Bret Hart's early 1997 feud was the moment that I became a wrestling fan for life.
Stone Cold is the GOAT of pro wrestling in terms of best star ever in my opinion. Bret is right there with HBK as best in-ring wrestler. What do y'all think?
100% agree
I got kurt angle as best in ring worker only cuz he pick up wwe real fast
@@jonsnipe5484 I definitely agree, Just imagine kurt angle vs Brett Hart. OmG That would've been a classic. Now do you agree on that?
Agree 100%
@@tyquanrainey6039 definitely that would've been nice
This is the greatest match of all time
Epic match, great interview 👍👍
Stunning Steve v the likes of Muta, Rhodes, Pillman, Sting, Steamboat, Flair etc might be the best wrestling I’ve ever seen. He was off the page before all his knee/arm injuries (still damn good in WWE pre-Owen piledriver).
Pre injury stone Steve Austin was really something else... It really could toe to toe with Daniel Bryan today (more technical stone cold Steve Austin then the brawler Steve Austin) say what you will, people forgets that stone cold actually can really wrestle technically..
I said to a friend… no one was f**king with Stone Cold in an in ring perspective prior to his neck injury.
In 1997, Austin was easily the best wrestler on the planet before than injury
The rockers vs the hart foundation is one of my all time favorite tag team match ups.
that was a great call being busted open made it that much more memorable
One of the best matches of all time.
Stone cold vs bret hart rivalry is my 2nd favorite rivalries of stone cold steve austin.
Can you imagine Hogan, Shawn, Hunter or even Cena never beating another top guy in their whole career and being totally cool with it?
Wrestlemania 13 is the best match ever. Savage/Steamboat 2nd for me
This is a much talk about WM match. I love their survivor series match. They were trading move for move. Loved It!
Yeah, their Survivor Series bout is excellent too. One of my favorites.
It's my favorite match!
I'm so glad I was only 12. It made it so much more impacting because I was certain wrestling was real at that point
Same!!! As cynical as wrestling fans are today or that you become yourself around 14/15,im soooo glad I saw it as a 9yr old and remember saving the WWF magazine with Austin’s bloody face on it
Bret Hart is your favorite wrestlers favorite Wrestler...Austin “Bret went over every match against me/I’ve never beaten Bret Hart”....”and I’m cool with it”
Agreed. Kevin Nash, Xpac, Mr. Perfect, British Bulldog, and Owen all had their best matches with Bret.
Macho Man / Steamboat, Undertaker / Mankind steel cage, and Austin / Hart are my top 3. That match made me LOVE Stone Cold. That ending was so bad ass.
My two favourites
The biggest what if’s for me
is Chris Jericho debuting in the WWE in 1995. He would’ve been actually apart of the Attitude Era. Basically in the start of it.
Man, imagine Bret vs. Jericho... A dream match for me for sure. Both of them are very high on my list of faves.
My favorite match as a kid
Best match ever.
The 96 Survivor Series match is unreal. Almost, if not better than their WM13 match. What these 2 could have done together through the end of the 1990s
Haha I miss the ol day of wrestling. I don’t think it’ll ever be quite the same
The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be.
Yeah, Austin and Hart was some of the greatest emotional, and physical fuckin work i've ever witnessed!
Simply the greatest match of all time, followed by Bret vs Michaels at WM 12
RUclips's suggested I watch the Montreal Screwjob video again so I just got done catching up on more of Bret Hart's work throughout the decades, what a great talent.
Enjoy, you will appreciate more because guys aren't made like that anymore
The greatest work of all time
this and harts match with 123 kid are my favourite matches of all time
Thanks for mentioning the match with 1-2-3 Kid! It's definitely a great one. The finish when Bret holds up Kid's hand nearly gets me in tears.
@@Sanguivore itbwas a fantastic match, hard to find a poor hitman match. I'm not an emotional person, but, yeah, that ending in the kid match nearly had me.
@@DUFFYISBACK I agree with you completely! When I wanna throw on a match but don’t wanna be fussed with actively seeking out a good one, I just throw on any old Hitman match and know I’m gonna have a good time. He’s about as reliable as can be.
(And huge props to Kid in that match as well. I think he’s a helluva underrated wrestler and wish he got more credit.)
Rip the legend
IMO this was the best rivarly
My all time fave feud in all of wrestling history is Bret Hart/Hart Foundation vs Stone Cold Steve Austin! Austin is The King! The GOAT!
I should have known stone cold will be on talk is Jericho after the broken skull session
2 guys knew what they were doing.
2 of the best in the business. Hitman and Stone cold were worthy of the top card spot.
Bret was amazing. Never hurt anyone. Got People over too.
The three greatest matches in the history of wrestlemania are
1) Bret vs Michaels WM 12
2) Bret vs Austin WM 13
3) Austin vs Michaels WM 14.
That is just a mere coincidence. A damn respect to the three greatest legends of all time.
Austin vs Michaels wasn’t that good in ring wise. It’s one of my favorite matches but technical wise it’s not great. It was an extremely important/historical match for sure.
It’s a damn shame both were hurt or else it probably would have been the best match in mania history.
Also one of my favorite build ups
@@johnmcnamara8741 Their match at King of the Ring 97 is better except for the DQ finish. Both guys were healthy in June 1997.
A lot of wrestling fans like the MSG match better. I always give the nod to non-gimmick matches when compared to gimmick matches.
Regarding the Mania match, Bret was on point regarding the blood.
If you look at so many bret matches the opponents best matches ever were with bret. Nash, perfect, piper, bulldog, austin, owen, 1-2-3 kid and so many others
If you beat Bret, you went over. If you lost to Bret, chances were that you went over. One of the greatest of all time.
One of the best things about that match was when a fan was able to rub Steve's, Bret and Shamrock's head.
I just ate a can of chew in a vid 💪💥
People just don't know how good the Austin was b4 the neck injury
🔥
BRET VS STEVE WAS SO AWESOME BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH BELIEVABLE TOUGH GUYS!!!
“Pink tights. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ALL ABOUT, BRET?!” Man that was a great rivalry.
Bret heart was stone cold first real major opponent…after his fights with Bret heart people began to really respect Stone Cold as a top wrestler
Can we not get video? Yall need to get together so we can see you all
Daymn bret hart’s confidence to colour austin.
Probably the best wrestlemania singles match
Nope, but a classic all the same
Bret Hart was the best. I enjoyed Austin and so many others, but Bret just made things look so real. Always. Brets match against 123 kid was the greatest.
Cool 👍
Yeah bret is awsome
I still have to believe Bret and Austin don't like each other. Their feud seemed so real.
Bret was the a total pro!! Arguably the 1 of the best on Wrestle Rushmore
Stone Cold limping out of Wrestlemania 13.
The camera stayed on him long enough, no ADHD cuts or commentator yelling verbal garbage at you.
BRET SAID HE CUT AUSTIN WITH A RAZOR…AUSTIN SAID HE HIT THE GUARD RAIL…YEAH & THEM BRET CUT YOU…HES TRYING TO PUT HIS OVER MORE
"Best for business".
Bret and Vince should’ve found a way to work it out until WM 14 and have Bret lose the title to Steve. HBK only held the title for 4 months after screwjob. Totally was not worth it.
Hi bang cris
imagine that match with no blood??!?!?!