With Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, and lots of wacky alien spacey wacey stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce a proper Mandarin into the MCU.
+Marshanah T. actually, they released a short after the film's release, of the fake mandarin in prison and then being kidnapped by the REAL mandarin's men for "daring to pose as the mandarin". he's probably going to appear in one of the newer movies
I'm a little pissed about you not mentioning how The Mandarin was on Iron Man: Armored Adventures which was honestly the best incarnation of the villain.
dididi3368 I guess I can agree to that but it kind of sucked how at the end (Spoiler for those who still haven't seen the film) Iron man couldn't defeat the mandarin
I loved how in Season 2 of the Iron Man 90s cartoon, nearly every episode ended with Mandarin creepily murdering or attacking someone to regain one of his rings. Seeing him collect them one by one was pretty awesome and built him up as quite the big bad for the final episode. Given that he unmasked and defeated Iron Man (Before Force Works rescued him of course) I'd say that it was worth the wait.
All Hail the King had some surprising twist. The terrorist from the 1st film are working for the real Mandarin, and is not Killian. Killian and Trevor were using the Mandarin's name as a mockery. It means that the real Mandarin will be appearing in the next Iron Man movie.
Don't worry. It turns out that the mandarin is in the movie isn't the real one. He and Killian stole his name and made a mockery of it and now the real mandarin wants to meet the actor who mocked him personally. It's all explained in the marvel one-shot "hail the king". We might be seeing the real mandarin later in the MCU.
Yeah, the film did a great job of "butchering" a heavily racist, poorly written character that would've been suicide to show on screen anywhere near his original portrayal during an age where spitting on entire ethnic groups is unfairly thought of as uncool.
OriginalityImpaired Go be a pessimist somewhere else. I was talking about how the mandarin in the comics is an all powerful being and the one in the movie is literally a joke. I don't give a shit if he's stereotyped.
OriginalityImpaired Yes because no one could ever make a champion of the people who America has been stepping on unjustly for years and have a beef with the man who has revolutionized the field of how to fuck up tiny villages in the middle of the dessert for years make or seem interesting. We've had Thor and Avengers showing off how what we consider 'magic' to actually be alien technology which could have been the perfect explanation of how that a person with a fierce drive behind him could be able to rival a billionaire playboy with near limitless time and energy to make suits of armor that have been specifically tasked with tackling new threats just with 10 rings found in an abandoned alien shuttle that crash landed who knows how long ago. Then finally, no one could have ever given the Mandarin a point to his brutality, a reason why he is the way he is, it isn't like he was the champion to the people or anything, it isn't like he could have stood up for people that have been getting their shit pushed in, it isn't like he couldn't have been on the end of that poop up the ass himself and be then able to present a good case of why he feels like America needs to stop pushing the shit up his homes ass, Iron Man getting dragged in because of though Tony has stopped making weapons, Tony and his father still had decades worth of bloodshed stained on their hands with how many people have died because of their inventions. Totally we couldn't of had that for a movie, nope, no how, there was obviously no other option than to have a drugged out scapegoat of a man who pretends to be the Mandarin as the real villain turns out to be that one guy from Extremis that is far less popular and liked than Mandarin. Obviously you have brought you're A game reasoning skills to the table as why in Iron Man 3 it wasn't the villain portrayals that turned a potentially awesome movie depicting Iron Man clashing against his characters equal to the Joker that made it the movie we got. Thank you, and good night
Actually, Ben Kingsley wasn't the real Mandarin, he was an actor named Trevor Slattery. If you watch Marvel One-Shot: All Hail the King, it turns out that there really is a Mandarin and he is upset that Slattery was using his name.
***** Not if he wants to remain anonymous. Better to wait and let the more public "superheroes" capture the guy and the get his revenge from the shadows. Hopefully the real Mandarin will show himself in a future MCU movie or tv series.
Things casuals get wrong about The Mandarin "The Mandarin is a threat because he wields technology and magic beyond Stark's ability to understand." Wrong. What little alien technology and magic The Mandarin wields is so unchanging and used in such a straight-forwardly brute manner that Stark has long since learned to counter it. In fact, it is often The Mandarin who kidnaps scientists, including Stark himself, or steals scientific inventions, again including Stark's. What makes him a threat to Stark is his seemingly limitless mundane resources and the utter ruthlessness with which he uses them. He is capable of trivially spending hundreds of billions of dollars acquiring superior technology and turning that tech into weapons of war. He appears to have corporate resources completely dwarfing Stark, and for that matter most countries. "The Mandarin is a Chinese Nationalist." Wrong. The Mandarin is a half British, half ethnic Mongol whose beliefs essentially parody Ayn Rand, being Randian ideals taken to that strawman point where they become social darwinism, elitism, barbarism, and utter entitlement. "The Mandarin is a wizard." Not really. The rings are alien tech. He has displayed some mystical ability, but he's closer to a savage version of Iron Fist than he is to Doctor Strange. "The Mandarin is an archeologist." Wrong. The Mandarin is an aristocrat who squandered every penny of his fiefdom's money training himself into a sort of super-soldier/one-man-army. His origin is about machismo, vanity, short-sightedness, and how ultimately foolish it is to spend all your money on the military. "The Mandarin is a communist." Wrong. The Mandarin is about elitism, social darwinism, and barbarism. He's essentially the worst parts of Ayn Rand and Nietzsche tossed into a blender.
CajunKhan I knew a little about Iron Man before the first movie, and I saw the Mandarin as a Fu Manchu type of character that used some kind of weird technology to compete with Iron Man's tech.
+handsomebrick, well, that's bullshit, because Mandarin was not based of Fu Manchu. Stan Lee based him of the Flash Gordon villain Ming the Merciless. And after the Silver Age of comics, The Mandarin became crime-lord type of character who used it to facilitate his grander agendas and who still deep down had the mind of a conqueror who felt he was entitled to rule and shape the world as he saw fit given his liniege as he always has been.
Forgot Gene Khan in Armored Adventures. He was the best Mandarian, because for how much I liked Stark in that show, I wanted Gene to kick just as much ass but (which he did) and didn't mind when Tony lost to him almost half the time.
Who's here after Shang Chi announcement from Comic Con? If they can really fix the character in the film, then there's nothing to complain about anymore from Iron Man 3. It's just annoying having to wait 8 years for them to get it right.
Nothing to complain about? That movie was fans's only chance of seeing IRON MAN and Mandarin fight on the big screen. We never will see them fight. There is still a lot to complain.
@@antona.8659 Yes, that is a very good point. Hopefully there will be some references in the film relating from what went down in Iron Man 3. Still, it would've been cool to see Iron Man fight the real Mandarin.
@@antona.8659 I hope we see a iron man trilogy reboot with Iron Man vs The Mandarin. But similar to Nolan Batman and Raimi Spider man were its not tied into a universe like MCU/DCEU.
@antona.8659 Hopefully, tony can return and we can finally see a fight against the two real.This time And i'm pretty sure he has perished and returned countless at times in the comics, there's no reason they shouldn't do it in the films and couldn't do it
All they really need to do is reinvent him while taking inspiration from his past incarnations. Make him a wealthy man with a lot of influence and power who was once The Mandarin but retired, maybe due to a lack of ambition. After seeing what Killian and Slattery did to his name, he dons the rings and sets to make people afraid of him again, perhaps by publicly executing Iron Man. Just an idea.
Killian is actually a lot closer to the Mandarin than you people think. In the modern marvel universe, the mandarin is a business man who works behind the scenes, an excellent martial artist, affiliated with fing fang foom, and a scientific genius. Killian is a business man who works behind the scenes (which led to the brilliant yet infamous twist), expert martial artist, has dragon tattooes all over his body (reference to fing fang foom), and created Extremis. So he is the Mandarin in a way.
technically speaking the mandarin was in the iron man films twice. The less subtle interpretation of the character in the latest film (which I loved), and the version of the character portrayed by Faran Tahir. While the first version (Tahir) never actually mentioned the name "Mandarin", their ideologies were the same, as were their methods (as far as using Stark against himself at least). It's even been said in interviews that Tahir's character was supposed to be a more realistic interpretation.
He's half british, half mongolian, though born in China, it is perfectly reasonable that he would practice a hodgepodge of martial arts techniques. He's smart enough to adopt whatever works for him, without feeling some sort of loyalty to China.
Quite right if Stan Lee (who created the character) had known of Kung Fu it would have been. However it was 1964 and Kung Fu was not common knowledge. This was because of the racist feelings of the Chinese community. Sifus were not allow to teach "Gweilo" (white people). Kung Fu was considered to be taught only to Chinese. And even though there were some Western students who did train in Kung Fu, they were a very small number. Even when Bruce Lee introduced Kung Fu via the Green Hornet TV show (1966-1967) most people thought Kung Fu was "Chinese Karate". It wasn't until the 1970s starting with the popularity of Bruce's Kung Fu movies that Kung Fu became common knowledge.
"without feeling some sort of loyalty to China." - Mandarin doesn't feel loyality to the Chinese goverment, but he is loyal to the orthodox Chinese culture. He considers himself Chinese and he constantly exploits Chinese cultural aspects in his surroundings, manners, and fashion choices. Mandarin wears Hanfu (a traditional Chinese clothes), has long fingernails (which in ancient China was an indicator that you're part of the establishment), and he constantly exploits Chinese cultural and its aesthetic. Mandarin is Chinese, not white. Get this through your head.
Thanks to Marvel want to introduce the Space side with Thor & Guardians of the Galaxy & with Scarlet Witch introduced in Age of Ultron. No wonder why they'll have to wait Marvel's entrance to the Mystical Side since Dr. Strange didn't get his own movie yet because of the casting & too difficult if the character was in Phase 2 to finally have the Mandarin introduced.
I honestly think this can work considering the backstory of the Mandarin. Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor, and Thanos all have cosmic origins that could explain the spaceship Mandarin finds
i love mandarin because of old iron man animated series i remember seeing as a kid. i liked iron man 3 but they ruined and dishonored the character with that ridiculous twist that he is actually an actor trevor slattery and whats even more ridiculous is that if he is an actor how come ironman and the government were unable to find out that he was an actor. in one shot they showed that hit series in which slattery was a main star of. very logical mandarin is a fascinating villain and he deserves to be portrayed rightfully on the big screen with his 10 magical rings. tony should have faced his greatest archenemy in MCU which would result in be epic fight because ironman is tech based and mandarin is magic and they ruined every possibility for us of seeing that, even if they try to reintroduce him it wont be the same.
In the Ultimate Marvel Universe, the Mandarin isn't a singular person but an organization which was akin to what happened in Iron Man 3. Though now, after the Hail to the King one shot, and with MCU expanding into space, it looks like there might be a "classic" Mandarin portrayal soon.
Now that I'm finally seeing this I can understand why fans were so pissed at Iron Man 3 xD If it had only been Ben Kingsley it would have been fine, but the plot twist butchered the character like a turkey :/ No worry though fanboys, the real Mandarin still exists in the MCU. Check out the Marvel One Shot "Hail to the King", everything is explained :P
Let's hope the ''real Mandarin'' comes back in the Avengers Age of Ultron. Because in Ironman 3 he is ''Just an actor''. Maybe he escape from prison and uses his hidden powers???
For those who said Iron Man 3 ruined The Mandarin. I get it. From a comic book fan standpoint, I totally agree with you. The whole point of the villain was to pit the strongest between Magic (Mandarin) and Technology (Stark). From a cinephile's view, I liked the "twist" involving The Mandarin. When you hire a guy like Ben Kingsley, you just know he's gonna play a villain. They purposely did that just to mislead the viewer and still give a nice twist to the character. Just sayin'
Comic Mandarin's origin is basically an evil Stark, almost to Stark what Black Mask is to Bruce Wayne. Comic Stark lost his parents, which damaged him and made him something of a man-child who wasted a lot of money partying and who made his money in the laziest way possible for someone with his gifts, inventing weapons. But even in the midst of his childishness, he was responsible enough to keep his company running and his employees employed. The Mandarin lost his parents, and he became a man-child who spent every last penny on himself, on turning himself into a superhuman martial artist and an expert on war-related science. He was so vain and intent on a childish version of self-improvement that he squandered all the money that should have been spent improving the lives of the people in his fiefdom. So he ends up as the world's most badass hobo, and everyone who depended on him end up in poverty, maybe even starve. We aren't told what happened to the people in his fiefdom, but I doubt it was pleasant what with his spending every last penny of the fiefdom's money turning himself into Chuck Norris squared. So yeah, Mandarin is to Stark what Black Mask is to Bruce Wayne.
ignorant to pretty much all comic book source material, i can appreciate changes made to help make comic book movies more accessible and interesting to someone who doesn't know anything about the comic series. I can see how it would be difficult to cater to long time fans and first timers alike. There has to be a middle ground.
Then they went and immediately retconned him, maybe...check out the one shot, All Hail The King if you can find it. And watch the original iron man movie and check for what is presumably an easter egg when iron man is flying down the highway toward the camera on a billboard. pretty cool if ya ask me.....
James Mason The Mandarin that you saw in Iron Man 3 isn't the real Mandarin. He was an impostor. This was revealed in "Marvel One-Shot: All Hail the King" as the REAL Mandarin was VERY POed that this buffoon got away with impersonating him. Give it a look. It's a good watch.
Because there was a severe anti-China sentiment in the U.S. back when Mandarin first showed up (thus Iron Man's arch nemesis). Thus the magic and mysticism as opposed to technology and thriftiness.
+William Linkous, your argument is pointless, because it has nothing to do with reality. Mandarin has nothing to do with magic or mysticism. His powers are based on his knowledge of science and his intelligence. He was representing apolitical and anti-corporative point of view while Iron Man was representing capitalistic point of view.
By the way i enjoyed the twist because i wasn't even slightly expecting it, but was still disappointed that i didn't get to see the awesome villain from the trailers, so good job failing on your assumption that you knew what my opinion was on the matter.
I like what Mandarin COULD be. I feel like he could be re-envisioned into a great counterpoint to Tony Stark's futurism. Make his rings magic instead of dragon-alien technology, keep his imperialist-Chinese ambitions and towering arrogance, have Chinese characters in the story react to the crazy ring-happy person realistically, and give him an obsession with tradition, feudalism, and "the old ways." Also, give him some uniquely Chinese martial-arts training instead of throwing in anything that sounds Asian. Because of his stint on Uncanny X-Men, where he was partly responsible for Psylocke's transformation, I spent years studying what each of his ten rings could do. He has the potentially to be team-breakingly powerful, written properly.
Curt Clark Some great sentiments here, however I’d like to point out that a lot of them are already a part of his character; Mandarin has always been written as a direct counterpart to Stark, obsessed with the old ways of China, but opposed to the entire modern world. For me, it’s one of the main reasons why his character kicks ass, and deserves the position of Iron Man’s arch-nemesis.
tony stark doesn't have the chest piece any more because he has extremis which lets him interface with tech with his mind and it also helped patch him up. Also it enables him to do alot of cool things and i guess it would be his super power in a way and the suit is still an extension of himself
For all the good the iron man movies has given us i think they could've done so much better with the mandarin. Hell do the scary terrorist they aluded at in the trailer and i would've been perfectly happy. just don't hint at him from the very first movie, only to give us something as dissapointing as what we had to witness in the 3rd movie
i actually like the design in the cartoon, the green skin, pointy ears, the claw finger nails, and red eyes, it actually kinda made him like the rings were morphing him into some kind of human dragon like monster
I bet you a million dollar that Tony Stark's name will be mention like a million time in the Shang Chi movie. Or maybe the movie will take place when Tony is still alive?
Look up Item 47, it was a one shot short-film where a couple find a Chitari weapon and use it. I'm not dissing on you or anything. I''m giving you new knowledge that supports a very good theory. Also maybe in Avengers 3 when someone gets the Infinity Gauntlet, they will accidentally rewrite the universe making Mandarin a force to be reckoned with. I dunno, please add to this possibility if there is anything I'm missing or you wanna see.
Somebody tell me I wasn't the only person who saw Iron Man 3 thinking from the poster and the fact that the bad guy introduced at the beginning starts "AIM" was going to have MODOK appear and take control of the rest of the Iron Man suits. I may have been the only one who would have hoped for that but I hope others would enjoy such a suggestion.
You know that there was no way that Iron Man 3 would have made it in China if the Mandarin had stayed true to his origins, right? He was created during the Red/Yellow Scare era and it shows, even today. Also, there is no Mandarin in the Ultimate universe, which is what is used in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and so technically no history to fall back on. With that in mind, what they did in IM3 was fine. I actually liked the twist and enjoyed IM3 immensely. I feel a proper introduction of the Mandarin to the MCU would be to reveal that Killian became the Mandarin after traveling in China and hearing legends about him. The real Mandarin went into seclusion following the Cultural Revolution, preferring to be the power behind the throne, and is largely responsible for creating the US's dependence on loans from China(cliche but most people won't even get it). He see's Iron Man as the essence of American arrogance and decadence and feels that by defeating Iron Man he will be symbolically breaking the US's fighting spirit. Just throw in some plot to get the thing started and a 4th Iron Man movie could be good.
Yeah If only We combine your idea about The Mandarins motivations with my idea featuring The Ultimo Suits for a possible IM 4 it would be super awesome
Love the idea and it was my take on the character too for awhile. If Tony Stark/Iron Man represents American military power and arrogance then the Mandarin as his antithesis represents a Chinese threat which has patiently grown and bides its time. My own take was that he was an anti-American mastermind who blamed China's decline upon corrupting Western influences. After discovering his alien rings and assuming influence within China's government the Mandarin began a mission to expel foreign influences from his country, leading him to support the Communists. With his advice Mao supported the Korean and Vietnamese wars against the Americans. Through proper planning the Mandarin has used his international terrorist network known as the 10 rings to weaken the United States militarily, thus causing its defense commitments to create a massive deficit. This coupled with his promotion of the free economy in China made it an industrial power which the United States is dependent upon. Ultimately his end game is to weaken the USA into Chinese subservience, thereby making China the world's greatest civilization again.
Your loan idea is *great*, tho the US really got itself into that mess by greed. If they had done Mandarin as a more reasonable, serious, and impressive fellow (Jet Li's intensity, perhaps), and more an anti-hero upholding ideas the Chinese favor, they could have kept him Chinese, imo. All they had to do was make him critical of America, and not fully losing at the end, maybe pulling off a "hidden" (big picture) victory, while his allies in the West fell spectacularly against Iron Man, then fading offstage w/a smile and an "I'll be back". That might have gone over decently well. I personally felt the "twist" was lame. Too many movies of late like to use the "We have met the enemy, and they are us" bit. At least they could have given him the actual rings, but they didn't go there. Not that Extremis was any more realistic. . . I was originally pulling for Yin Sen (from IM1) to be the Mandarin (yes, this would also a plot inversion from the comics), as it would mean he set up Tony, set him on his path by faking his own death, and then attempted to harvest the tech Tony created, but failed. Ofc, Sean Toub looked wrong, but they could have used makeup, as they did anyway. It just seemed like a setup the way YS showed up, helped, and then died (getting shot off-screen, no less!)
The Mandarin's rings are technology. They were a part of a spaceship belonging to a dragon-like alien called Fin Fang Foom. Foom's ship crashed in China in a supposedly haunted valley and that's where the Mandarin found the rings. The alien himself was in a sort of stasis so he wasn't able to stop the Mandarin for taking the rings. Captain America represents the pure ideals of America but Iron Man represents the reality of what our freedom really is and what it costs. When you really think about it Cap didn't work for what he was given. He was in the right place at the right time and bam...he became a superhero. Tony Stark is one of the Marvel Universe's hardest working minds. His dad is a freaking legend and so he had to work hard to make a name for himself. He's not some corporate pansy who shows up to one meeting a year but rather an educated engineer and somewhat reluctant businessman. I love Cap but he is just too much of a paragon to really represent what is the real America.
They don't care about the fans. They just want to cash in on these iconic characters. They couldn't care less about being faithful to the source material.
I really like the comic-book Mandarin, but I also really liked the direction they went in for Iron man 3 regarding the Mandarin, although it was risky and pissed off a lot of people.
Keanu Reeves could play the real Mandarin in the MCU. Think about it, he has a English mother and part-Chinese father in real life just like The Mandarin. At one point he was rumored to play Dr. Strange but that role ended in the hands of Benedict Cumberbatch. I think it's a great opportunity for Marvel to cast him for future Iron Man movies.
Wtf u smoking ??? U got bad taste in choosing ..hire the Chinese actor in mortal Kombat who play shang shung ! Definitely play mandarin ..reeves ?.😂😂👀👀
good news if they do an Iron Man 4 they can rectify that. As in the Marvel one shot revealed their is a real Mandarin who was not happy having his name used by the bad guys in Iron man 3
johnny prothero I heard they will be doing Iron Man 4 and had intentionally done what they did in Iron Man 3 as a way to introduce the real Mandarin so people who weren't familiar with the comics weren't completely lost as well as making the rest of us happy.
Don't worry it's explained in the comic "Hail The King" that Killian and Ben Kingsley (the actor who played the "Mandarin") weren't actually associated with the REAL Mandarin and were just taking his name...
I imagine that to be a cop out because they knew just how pissed fans would be if they had stuck to their original claim that he was The Mandarin and how their "clever" twist turned out to blow up in their faces. I had no problem with him being middle eastern, nor did I have problems with him being a self righteous terrorist... but when they stripped him back to be seen as nothing more than an actor and blah blah blah.... it was lame and no matter how they save face, it is still a cop out and they had to of known it would be received poorly by fans
No let's talk about it. It was great!!! Best Mandarin ever. Just loved how they did the character. And in 2013 that was the best way to make the character work. Ah.... Mandarin.x) Can't wait for the Blu-ray release so i can see it again.
The suits don't fall apart.They are made so that they can easily break and then reassemble.The suit obviously wouldn't break if there was someone inside them.The movie shows that Tony is Iron Man even when he does not have his suit.The movie answers the question whether the suit makes the man or the man makes the suit.
with the near 8 billion people on the planet even if you just factor in males that number is still small if it were 200 million that'd be a huge number
Iron Man and Batman share way too much in common. Lost their parents? Check. Inherited an enormous fortune? Check. Used said fortune for making super cool gadgets? Check. Expert with the ladies? Check.
Yeah, I was expecting a more faithful portrayal of the Mandarin as well, I think he would have made a much more threatening villain than what they came up with
I know, that was an ironic argument to highlight that the argument "they changed the Mandarin to be more realistic" was absurd. But you make a good point. It would be so easy - given the Mandarin's origins in the comics - to have him find Chitauri technology in a post-Avengers scenario and forge the rings out of them. Such a miseed opportunity.
As much as they fucked up the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, I liked the way they handled him in the first half of the movie. Sure, it wasn't particularly loyal to the comics, but he was truly intimidating when we thought he was behind the "terrorism attacks". It was a modern twist to the character, and they were heading in the right direction by playing off of the contemporary fear of terrorism groups. The style of the videos he sent out was truly gripping, and I was looking forward to seeing Iron Man take on an opponent that was more devious than brutish. Of course, then they fucked it up to make some cheap jokes, and I am certainly not defending that part.
But the real "Mandarin" exists in Mcu, there's a one shot film called "All hail the king" that shows what happened to the actor after the events of Iron Man 3. I've never read comics so I'm not that offended of how they handled the Mandarin in the comics but he was a pretty interesting antagonist during the first half of the film but they just pretty much wasted Ben Kingsleys acting skills on the joke that is Iron Man 3 Mandarin, so that kinda bugs me.
who ISNT a decedent of ghangis kan at this point?
about the other half of asia
Watchmojo should do a list about that.
We've learned our history well :)
Gengis khan made mongolia right
Tbh we are all related to each other by just being humans lmfao
Shang chi and the legend of the ten rings sdcc announcement anyone? 🙋🏻♂️
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Ulysses I hope he is also the next big avengers villain
Keep it 💯😎
Oh yeah
In "All Hail the King" Marvel One-Shot it was confirmed that The Mandarin always existed and is still alive.
With Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy, and lots of wacky alien spacey wacey stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce a proper Mandarin into the MCU.
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@@master03351 I'm excited :D
Shang Chi!!!
Fits way better as a Shang Chi villain!
Hopefully he’s a cool character in the Shang-Chi movie!
WOW....This villain was completely downplayed in Iron Man 3..... Like, they did not do his character justice at all.
Marshanah T. Too right.
+Marshanah T. actually, they released a short after the film's release, of the fake mandarin in prison and then being kidnapped by the REAL mandarin's men for "daring to pose as the mandarin".
he's probably going to appear in one of the newer movies
LeviathanTB Really?! :O That's freakin' awesome! I've got to watch that clip.
+Marshanah T. Marvel One Shot: All Hail the King
+Marshanah T. Just need to forget the movie ever happened to the Mandarin.
I'm a little pissed about you not mentioning how The Mandarin was on Iron Man: Armored Adventures which was honestly the best incarnation of the villain.
It's the thumbnail so your argument is invalid.
I know right
i know righttt!!!! i was so pissed that they cancelled season 3 ;(((
I agree
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Iron man 3 ruined The Mandarin's awesomeness
that is true but iron man 3 is still a good movie none the less
that is also true probably the best out of the 3 ironically
dididi3368 I guess I can agree to that but it kind of sucked how at the end (Spoiler for those who still haven't seen the film) Iron man couldn't defeat the mandarin
Hell yeah it did!! Damn Hollywood ruined it!
me AND mines yeah they should have stuck to the source material I mean penny beating the mandarin was extremely lame
I loved how in Season 2 of the Iron Man 90s cartoon, nearly every episode ended with Mandarin creepily murdering or attacking someone to regain one of his rings. Seeing him collect them one by one was pretty awesome and built him up as quite the big bad for the final episode. Given that he unmasked and defeated Iron Man (Before Force Works rescued him of course) I'd say that it was worth the wait.
He’s the best Iron Man villain... by default
Shang chis dad now hahah
All Hail the King had some surprising twist. The terrorist from the 1st film are working for the real Mandarin, and is not Killian. Killian and Trevor were using the Mandarin's name as a mockery. It means that the real Mandarin will be appearing in the next Iron Man movie.
Oh, you mean the one ironman movie that will never be.
Champe Ramírez yeah the mandarin is dumb in the movie and iron 4 is fictional
i hopr they listen to you.. because ironman 3 was stupid
How can there be a Iron Man 4 if they blew up all his suits in Iron Man 3...such a stupid movie.
No. It means that Marvel is trying to back track after their ridiculous twist blew up in their face.
Hoooooly shit I had no idea Iron Man 3 butchered this character so badly.
Don't worry. It turns out that the mandarin is in the movie isn't the real one. He and Killian stole his name and made a mockery of it and now the real mandarin wants to meet the actor who mocked him personally. It's all explained in the marvel one-shot "hail the king". We might be seeing the real mandarin later in the MCU.
Lol yup
Yeah, the film did a great job of "butchering" a heavily racist, poorly written character that would've been suicide to show on screen anywhere near his original portrayal during an age where spitting on entire ethnic groups is unfairly thought of as uncool.
OriginalityImpaired Go be a pessimist somewhere else. I was talking about how the mandarin in the comics is an all powerful being and the one in the movie is literally a joke. I don't give a shit if he's stereotyped.
OriginalityImpaired Yes because no one could ever make a champion of the people who America has been stepping on unjustly for years and have a beef with the man who has revolutionized the field of how to fuck up tiny villages in the middle of the dessert for years make or seem interesting. We've had Thor and Avengers showing off how what we consider 'magic' to actually be alien technology which could have been the perfect explanation of how that a person with a fierce drive behind him could be able to rival a billionaire playboy with near limitless time and energy to make suits of armor that have been specifically tasked with tackling new threats just with 10 rings found in an abandoned alien shuttle that crash landed who knows how long ago. Then finally, no one could have ever given the Mandarin a point to his brutality, a reason why he is the way he is, it isn't like he was the champion to the people or anything, it isn't like he could have stood up for people that have been getting their shit pushed in, it isn't like he couldn't have been on the end of that poop up the ass himself and be then able to present a good case of why he feels like America needs to stop pushing the shit up his homes ass, Iron Man getting dragged in because of though Tony has stopped making weapons, Tony and his father still had decades worth of bloodshed stained on their hands with how many people have died because of their inventions. Totally we couldn't of had that for a movie, nope, no how, there was obviously no other option than to have a drugged out scapegoat of a man who pretends to be the Mandarin as the real villain turns out to be that one guy from Extremis that is far less popular and liked than Mandarin. Obviously you have brought you're A game reasoning skills to the table as why in Iron Man 3 it wasn't the villain portrayals that turned a potentially awesome movie depicting Iron Man clashing against his characters equal to the Joker that made it the movie we got. Thank you, and good night
I prefer the Iron Man Armored Adventures Mandarin.
+Matt Nielsen me to
Matt Nielsen I would have used the Mandarin armor from Armored Adventures in a version of Iron Man 3 where the Mandarin wasn't a complete waste
Me too
Ya true
Yes
Actually, Ben Kingsley wasn't the real Mandarin, he was an actor named Trevor Slattery. If you watch Marvel One-Shot: All Hail the King, it turns out that there really is a Mandarin and he is upset that Slattery was using his name.
+Stacey Vermilyea pffft. if he was really "upset" he coulda stopped him long ago when he was running his TV campaigns
***** Not if he wants to remain anonymous. Better to wait and let the more public "superheroes" capture the guy and the get his revenge from the shadows. Hopefully the real Mandarin will show himself in a future MCU movie or tv series.
+Stacey Vermilyea hmmm... good point
I hope he'll be in the new series Marvel's Most Wanted.
Stacey Vermilyea how they gonna do him without reprising the racist caricature of the 60's that is his source material?
Things casuals get wrong about The Mandarin
"The Mandarin is a threat because he wields technology and magic beyond Stark's ability to understand."
Wrong. What little alien technology and magic The Mandarin wields is so unchanging and used in such a straight-forwardly brute manner that Stark has long since learned to counter it. In fact, it is often The Mandarin who kidnaps scientists, including Stark himself, or steals scientific inventions, again including Stark's.
What makes him a threat to Stark is his seemingly limitless mundane resources and the utter ruthlessness with which he uses them. He is capable of trivially spending hundreds of billions of dollars acquiring superior technology and turning that tech into weapons of war. He appears to have corporate resources completely dwarfing Stark, and for that matter most countries.
"The Mandarin is a Chinese Nationalist."
Wrong. The Mandarin is a half British, half ethnic Mongol whose beliefs essentially parody Ayn Rand, being Randian ideals taken to that strawman point where they become social darwinism, elitism, barbarism, and utter entitlement.
"The Mandarin is a wizard."
Not really. The rings are alien tech. He has displayed some mystical ability, but he's closer to a savage version of Iron Fist than he is to Doctor Strange.
"The Mandarin is an archeologist."
Wrong. The Mandarin is an aristocrat who squandered every penny of his fiefdom's money training himself into a sort of super-soldier/one-man-army. His origin is about machismo, vanity, short-sightedness, and how ultimately foolish it is to spend all your money on the military.
"The Mandarin is a communist."
Wrong.
The Mandarin is about elitism, social darwinism, and barbarism. He's essentially the worst parts of Ayn Rand and Nietzsche tossed into a blender.
CajunKhan I knew a little about Iron Man before the first movie, and I saw the Mandarin as a Fu Manchu type of character that used some kind of weird technology to compete with Iron Man's tech.
+handsomebrick, well, that's bullshit, because Mandarin was not based of Fu Manchu. Stan Lee based him of the Flash Gordon villain Ming the Merciless. And after the Silver Age of comics, The Mandarin became crime-lord type of character who used it to facilitate his grander agendas and who still deep down had the mind of a conqueror who felt he was entitled to rule and shape the world as he saw fit given his liniege as he always has been.
Casuals need to know the wrong things first to get them wrong. Duh
Like someone gonna read that
The Mandarin is one of Iron Man's most dangerous enemies and one of Marvel's most popular and most enduring villains in the Marvel Comics!!!
Forgot Gene Khan in Armored Adventures. He was the best Mandarian, because for how much I liked Stark in that show, I wanted Gene to kick just as much ass but (which he did) and didn't mind when Tony lost to him almost half the time.
Best Mandarin hands down ;-;
Yes, he looked awesome in that one!
He looks so cool in that one
Genesis the best mandarine
Am i the only one thinking about the Mandarin in Iron man armored adventures?
I am he is Gene
Who's here after Shang Chi announcement from Comic Con? If they can really fix the character in the film, then there's nothing to complain about anymore from Iron Man 3. It's just annoying having to wait 8 years for them to get it right.
Nothing to complain about? That movie was fans's only chance of seeing IRON MAN and Mandarin fight on the big screen. We never will see them fight. There is still a lot to complain.
@@antona.8659 Yes, that is a very good point. Hopefully there will be some references in the film relating from what went down in Iron Man 3. Still, it would've been cool to see Iron Man fight the real Mandarin.
@@antona.8659 I hope we see a iron man trilogy reboot with Iron Man vs The Mandarin. But similar to Nolan Batman and Raimi Spider man were its not tied into a universe like MCU/DCEU.
@antona.8659 Hopefully, tony can return and we can finally see a fight against the two real.This time And i'm pretty sure he has perished and returned countless at times in the comics, there's no reason they shouldn't do it in the films and couldn't do it
They ruined the Mandarin in Iron Man 3.
I dont really think that he was the mandarin they were hiding him in the shadows probably controlling the fire guy
All they really need to do is reinvent him while taking inspiration from his past incarnations. Make him a wealthy man with a lot of influence and power who was once The Mandarin but retired, maybe due to a lack of ambition. After seeing what Killian and Slattery did to his name, he dons the rings and sets to make people afraid of him again, perhaps by publicly executing Iron Man. Just an idea.
Too bad he won't be Chinese
Dude, that's what I meant?
Yet I don't see any chance they are going to change that
Li Cheng
Although in the comics he's only half chinese. His mother being English, his father being a descendent of Genghis Kahn.
I wonder why no one has come up yet with creating new villains?
Times have change :)
Killian is actually a lot closer to the Mandarin than you people think. In the modern marvel universe, the mandarin is a business man who works behind the scenes, an excellent martial artist, affiliated with fing fang foom, and a scientific genius. Killian is a business man who works behind the scenes (which led to the brilliant yet infamous twist), expert martial artist, has dragon tattooes all over his body (reference to fing fang foom), and created Extremis. So he is the Mandarin in a way.
Who's here after Marvel One Shot Movie, All Hail to The King ?
Mandarin is still out there lurking in the MCU, he's still laid dormant
technically speaking the mandarin was in the iron man films twice. The less subtle interpretation of the character in the latest film (which I loved), and the version of the character portrayed by Faran Tahir. While the first version (Tahir) never actually mentioned the name "Mandarin", their ideologies were the same, as were their methods (as far as using Stark against himself at least). It's even been said in interviews that Tahir's character was supposed to be a more realistic interpretation.
Wow they fucked him up in Iron Man 3.. He literally did no fighting and just talked.
MARVEL is fixing that mistake now. Watch the One-Shot "All Hail the King."
Did you watch the last 30 minutes?
sonicjrjr14 killian is a adapted firebrand
C'mon, that's not even him. That's just a hoax for Killian's A.I.M..
The ORIGINAL and REAL version of the Mandarin never made it up the blue screen.
+England Goals bunch of K-list marvel villains
Can't believe Marvel messed him up like, 3 times in the MCU. Wish we could have seen Iron Man vs Mandarin that would have made for a great CGI fight
Uh. the Chinese don't typically practice Karate. They practice Kung fu.
He's half british, half mongolian, though born in China, it is perfectly reasonable that he would practice a hodgepodge of martial arts techniques. He's smart enough to adopt whatever works for him, without feeling some sort of loyalty to China.
Quite right if Stan Lee (who created the character) had known of Kung Fu it would have been. However it was 1964 and Kung Fu was not common knowledge. This was because of the racist feelings of the Chinese community. Sifus were not allow to teach "Gweilo" (white people). Kung Fu was considered to be taught only to Chinese. And even though there were some Western students who did train in Kung Fu, they were a very small number. Even when Bruce Lee introduced Kung Fu via the Green Hornet TV show (1966-1967) most people thought Kung Fu was "Chinese Karate". It wasn't until the 1970s starting with the popularity of Bruce's Kung Fu movies that Kung Fu became common knowledge.
"without feeling some sort of loyalty to China." - Mandarin doesn't feel loyality to the Chinese goverment, but he is loyal to the orthodox Chinese culture. He considers himself Chinese and he constantly exploits Chinese cultural aspects in his surroundings, manners, and fashion choices. Mandarin wears Hanfu (a traditional Chinese clothes), has long fingernails (which in ancient China was an indicator that you're part of the establishment), and he constantly exploits Chinese cultural and its aesthetic. Mandarin is Chinese, not white. Get this through your head.
and why would he only allowed to do things Chinese "typically" do?
Yes it seems like ol' Stan lee used to just make up a lot of crap which his writers had to fix later on.
And then Iron Man 3 happened.
They fucking turned the Mandarin into an actor with a BRITISH accent!! WTF were they thinking?? The 10 power rings didnt even work!! OMG!! ARGGGH!
The whole terrorist thing was a nice flip, but they should have stopped there!
Thanks to Marvel want to introduce the Space side with Thor & Guardians of the Galaxy & with Scarlet Witch introduced in Age of Ultron. No wonder why they'll have to wait Marvel's entrance to the Mystical Side since Dr. Strange didn't get his own movie yet because of the casting & too difficult if the character was in Phase 2 to finally have the Mandarin introduced.
his design from armored adventures is the best
The real Mandarin is coming (Hope he doesn't kill Kingsley though, he's so funny)
hello from the future and yes the real Mandarin is coming
its been 7 years HAHAHHA
@@ishraq7050 LET'S GOOOO
I wish Tony and The Mandarin actually met because Wu is a very interesting character but oh well
Spoilers
He dies so yeah
I'd love to see an updated version of this video once the Shang-Chi movie is out.
Who's here after the Shang-Chi teaser?
Me. Although he was altered to be less offensive.
I liked mandarin. ( from 3 years old series of Iron Man, where Tony was still an teen)
I honestly think this can work considering the backstory of the Mandarin. Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor, and Thanos all have cosmic origins that could explain the spaceship Mandarin finds
I liked his armored adventures design
The best design
Lets all just agree in that the best and flippin coolest mandarin (armour) was in iron man amoured adventures
no, mandarin works better as this mysthic aristocrat. he doesn´t need an armor.
Watchmen was very underrated. It was brilliant.
i love mandarin because of old iron man animated series i remember seeing as a kid.
i liked iron man 3 but they ruined and dishonored the character with that ridiculous twist that he is actually an actor trevor slattery and whats even more ridiculous is that if he is an actor how come ironman and the government were unable to find out that he was an actor. in one shot they showed that hit series in which slattery was a main star of. very logical
mandarin is a fascinating villain and he deserves to be portrayed rightfully on the big screen with his 10 magical rings.
tony should have faced his greatest archenemy in MCU which would result in be epic fight because ironman is tech based and mandarin is magic and they ruined every possibility for us of seeing that, even if they try to reintroduce him it wont be the same.
Imagine if he actually appeared in Iron Man 3? Imagine how different the MCU would be...
I like all the Mandarins but personally I liked the Iron Man Armored Adventures Mandarin, because the show made up my childhood.
Thanks for putting one of those badass Mandarin designs in the thumbnail
In the Ultimate Marvel Universe, the Mandarin isn't a singular person but an organization which was akin to what happened in Iron Man 3.
Though now, after the Hail to the King one shot, and with MCU expanding into space, it looks like there might be a "classic" Mandarin portrayal soon.
*****
Hopefully they'll find a way to not make him a racist caricature.... like his classic design.
Eric Coldfire
Isn't it fitting though? Tony Stark more or less looks like a classic American Douchebag billionaire playboy.
toxinqwerty
Yeah but people wanted him to be for the movie.
Eric Coldfire People wanted him to be Chinese. I didn't realize all Chinese people were racist caricatures.
toxinqwerty
People also expected him to be green with fangs and claws.
But we'll see what his is eventually.
And now he is the badass Wenwu and father of Shang Chi. ❤
I am STILL INSULTED with what Iron Man 3 did to the Mandarin, and forever will until I die.
What did they do?
@@amortality999 combine whitewashing + joke characteristic/ability + human torch ripoff = Both "Mandarin" of Iron Man 3
I mean they couldve avoid the stereotypical elements *just like they did with Wong*
@@cloudsopowera6248 Well the REAL Madarin is coming back into the MCU at some time
@@Whispurer he is now gonna be in shang chi
Now that I'm finally seeing this I can understand why fans were so pissed at Iron Man 3 xD If it had only been Ben Kingsley it would have been fine, but the plot twist butchered the character like a turkey :/
No worry though fanboys, the real Mandarin still exists in the MCU. Check out the Marvel One Shot "Hail to the King", everything is explained :P
Pink Mist thank you for mentioning that video, wouldn't have known about it otherwise
Zach J. I didn't even know about it either until I saw a video that mentioned it xD
+Misty Rose Damn thanks
+Misty Rose im wondering how their gonna do that, you know, mandarins nationality
exactly
The armored adventures mandarin is the best it’s the only reason we clicked on the video
Didn't realize you were quoting the cover from the Mandarin's first appearance at the beginning of the video, kudos.
Now I understand why Iron Man 3 is hated so much.
One week before the real Mandarin makes his MCU debut
Damn they ruined this villain in Iron Man 3.
Let's hope the ''real Mandarin'' comes back in the Avengers Age of Ultron. Because in Ironman 3 he is ''Just an actor''. Maybe he escape from prison and uses his hidden powers???
Personally I think the Iron-Man Armored Adventures version of the mandarin is the best version
kelly Whitehead Armored Adventures!Mandarin is Best Mandarin #BringBackArmoredAdventures
This villain is so underrated
For those who said Iron Man 3 ruined The Mandarin. I get it.
From a comic book fan standpoint, I totally agree with you. The whole point of the villain was to pit the strongest between Magic (Mandarin) and Technology (Stark).
From a cinephile's view, I liked the "twist" involving The Mandarin. When you hire a guy like Ben Kingsley, you just know he's gonna play a villain. They purposely did that just to mislead the viewer and still give a nice twist to the character.
Just sayin'
Comic Mandarin's origin is basically an evil Stark, almost to Stark what Black Mask is to Bruce Wayne.
Comic Stark lost his parents, which damaged him and made him something of a man-child who wasted a lot of money partying and who made his money in the laziest way possible for someone with his gifts, inventing weapons. But even in the midst of his childishness, he was responsible enough to keep his company running and his employees employed.
The Mandarin lost his parents, and he became a man-child who spent every last penny on himself, on turning himself into a superhuman martial artist and an expert on war-related science. He was so vain and intent on a childish version of self-improvement that he squandered all the money that should have been spent improving the lives of the people in his fiefdom. So he ends up as the world's most badass hobo, and everyone who depended on him end up in poverty, maybe even starve. We aren't told what happened to the people in his fiefdom, but I doubt it was pleasant what with his spending every last penny of the fiefdom's money turning himself into Chuck Norris squared.
So yeah, Mandarin is to Stark what Black Mask is to Bruce Wayne.
Wow, now I realize how bad I am suppose to feel for Iron man 3
ignorant to pretty much all comic book source material, i can appreciate changes made to help make comic book movies more accessible and interesting to someone who doesn't know anything about the comic series. I can see how it would be difficult to cater to long time fans and first timers alike. There has to be a middle ground.
God damn you Hollywood you destroyed the manderan
Then they went and immediately retconned him, maybe...check out the one shot, All Hail The King if you can find it. And watch the original iron man movie and check for what is presumably an easter egg when iron man is flying down the highway toward the camera on a billboard. pretty cool if ya ask me.....
James Mason The Mandarin that you saw in Iron Man 3 isn't the real Mandarin. He was an impostor. This was revealed in "Marvel One-Shot: All Hail the King" as the REAL Mandarin was VERY POed that this buffoon got away with impersonating him. Give it a look. It's a good watch.
Comic>cartoon>movie
His original story had so much movie potential. Too bad they went at him for comic relief.
Why is the Mandarin, born and raised in China, a master of Karate, a Japanese martial art?
Because there was a severe anti-China sentiment in the U.S. back when Mandarin first showed up (thus Iron Man's arch nemesis). Thus the magic and mysticism as opposed to technology and thriftiness.
+Rashad Almomani, because he learned every existing martial art in order to turn himself into an ideal of human's perfection.
+William Linkous, your argument is pointless, because it has nothing to do with reality. Mandarin has nothing to do with magic or mysticism. His powers are based on his knowledge of science and his intelligence. He was representing apolitical and anti-corporative point of view while Iron Man was representing capitalistic point of view.
because marvel did not know about kungfu
in Japanese, the word karate, means Chinese boxing,
By the way i enjoyed the twist because i wasn't even slightly expecting it, but was still disappointed that i didn't get to see the awesome villain from the trailers, so good job failing on your assumption that you knew what my opinion was on the matter.
I like what Mandarin COULD be.
I feel like he could be re-envisioned into a great counterpoint to Tony Stark's futurism. Make his rings magic instead of dragon-alien technology, keep his imperialist-Chinese ambitions and towering arrogance, have Chinese characters in the story react to the crazy ring-happy person realistically, and give him an obsession with tradition, feudalism, and "the old ways." Also, give him some uniquely Chinese martial-arts training instead of throwing in anything that sounds Asian.
Because of his stint on Uncanny X-Men, where he was partly responsible for Psylocke's transformation, I spent years studying what each of his ten rings could do. He has the potentially to be team-breakingly powerful, written properly.
Curt Clark I love your sentiments & opinion on Mandarin. #JusticeForMandarin
Curt Clark Some great sentiments here, however I’d like to point out that a lot of them are already a part of his character; Mandarin has always been written as a direct counterpart to Stark, obsessed with the old ways of China, but opposed to the entire modern world. For me, it’s one of the main reasons why his character kicks ass, and deserves the position of Iron Man’s arch-nemesis.
I'm from the future.
It's like one of the writers for Shang-Chi found your comment and went "....yeah, let's do that"
I’m here on this videos 8th anniversary
When your name is The Mandarin but you're green
Haha that's funny
tony stark doesn't have the chest piece any more because he has extremis which lets him interface with tech with his mind and it also helped patch him up. Also it enables him to do alot of cool things and i guess it would be his super power in a way and the suit is still an extension of himself
For all the good the iron man movies has given us i think they could've done so much better with the mandarin. Hell do the scary terrorist they aluded at in the trailer and i would've been perfectly happy. just don't hint at him from the very first movie, only to give us something as dissapointing as what we had to witness in the 3rd movie
i actually like the design in the cartoon, the green skin, pointy ears, the claw finger nails, and red eyes, it actually kinda made him like the rings were morphing him into some kind of human dragon like monster
My god he's awesome.
FrostedFunkoFlakes Indeed, Mandarin is a criminally underrated character.
Could you imagine if the Shang-Chi Mandarin killed the Iron Man 3 Mandarin?
Just discovered this channel - If I had a girlfriend, she'd be so ignored tonight
When I first saw the actor Mandarin, I actually thought that it was a double and the real Mandarin was already gone from the location.
I bet you a million dollar that Tony Stark's name will be mention like a million time in the Shang Chi movie.
Or maybe the movie will take place when Tony is still alive?
They straight up disrespected Mandarin in Iron Man 3.
The Mandarin? More like THE ORANGE, RIGHT??? BWAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
The Mandarin is awesome, no matter what decisions even Iron Man 3.
Anyone else hear that the real Mandarin is coming to the MCU?
The badass terminator The badass terminator true
Look up Item 47, it was a one shot short-film where a couple find a Chitari weapon and use it. I'm not dissing on you or anything. I''m giving you new knowledge that supports a very good theory. Also maybe in Avengers 3 when someone gets the Infinity Gauntlet, they will accidentally rewrite the universe making Mandarin a force to be reckoned with. I dunno, please add to this possibility if there is anything I'm missing or you wanna see.
at the end, Iron man got dem bitches
:D
We should’ve gotten THIS mandarin.
Who's here after the Shang Chi announcement?🙋🏻♂️
Somebody tell me I wasn't the only person who saw Iron Man 3 thinking from the poster and the fact that the bad guy introduced at the beginning starts "AIM" was going to have MODOK appear and take control of the rest of the Iron Man suits.
I may have been the only one who would have hoped for that but I hope others would enjoy such a suggestion.
You know that there was no way that Iron Man 3 would have made it in China if the Mandarin had stayed true to his origins, right? He was created during the Red/Yellow Scare era and it shows, even today. Also, there is no Mandarin in the Ultimate universe, which is what is used in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and so technically no history to fall back on. With that in mind, what they did in IM3 was fine. I actually liked the twist and enjoyed IM3 immensely.
I feel a proper introduction of the Mandarin to the MCU would be to reveal that Killian became the Mandarin after traveling in China and hearing legends about him. The real Mandarin went into seclusion following the Cultural Revolution, preferring to be the power behind the throne, and is largely responsible for creating the US's dependence on loans from China(cliche but most people won't even get it). He see's Iron Man as the essence of American arrogance and decadence and feels that by defeating Iron Man he will be symbolically breaking the US's fighting spirit. Just throw in some plot to get the thing started and a 4th Iron Man movie could be good.
Yeah If only We combine your idea about The Mandarins motivations with my idea featuring The Ultimo Suits for a possible IM 4 it would be super awesome
Love the idea and it was my take on the character too for awhile. If Tony Stark/Iron Man represents American military power and arrogance then the Mandarin as his antithesis represents a Chinese threat which has patiently grown and bides its time. My own take was that he was an anti-American mastermind who blamed China's decline upon corrupting Western influences. After discovering his alien rings and assuming influence within China's government the Mandarin began a mission to expel foreign influences from his country, leading him to support the Communists. With his advice Mao supported the Korean and Vietnamese wars against the Americans. Through proper planning the Mandarin has used his international terrorist network known as the 10 rings to weaken the United States militarily, thus causing its defense commitments to create a massive deficit. This coupled with his promotion of the free economy in China made it an industrial power which the United States is dependent upon. Ultimately his end game is to weaken the USA into Chinese subservience, thereby making China the world's greatest civilization again.
Your loan idea is *great*, tho the US really got itself into that mess by greed.
If they had done Mandarin as a more reasonable, serious, and impressive fellow (Jet Li's intensity, perhaps), and more an anti-hero upholding ideas the Chinese favor, they could have kept him Chinese, imo. All they had to do was make him critical of America, and not fully losing at the end, maybe pulling off a "hidden" (big picture) victory, while his allies in the West fell spectacularly against Iron Man, then fading offstage w/a smile and an "I'll be back". That might have gone over decently well.
I personally felt the "twist" was lame. Too many movies of late like to use the "We have met the enemy, and they are us" bit. At least they could have given him the actual rings, but they didn't go there. Not that Extremis was any more realistic. . .
I was originally pulling for Yin Sen (from IM1) to be the Mandarin (yes, this would also a plot inversion from the comics), as it would mean he set up Tony, set him on his path by faking his own death, and then attempted to harvest the tech Tony created, but failed. Ofc, Sean Toub looked wrong, but they could have used makeup, as they did anyway. It just seemed like a setup the way YS showed up, helped, and then died (getting shot off-screen, no less!)
The Mandarin's rings are technology. They were a part of a spaceship belonging to a dragon-like alien called Fin Fang Foom. Foom's ship crashed in China in a supposedly haunted valley and that's where the Mandarin found the rings. The alien himself was in a sort of stasis so he wasn't able to stop the Mandarin for taking the rings.
Captain America represents the pure ideals of America but Iron Man represents the reality of what our freedom really is and what it costs. When you really think about it Cap didn't work for what he was given. He was in the right place at the right time and bam...he became a superhero. Tony Stark is one of the Marvel Universe's hardest working minds. His dad is a freaking legend and so he had to work hard to make a name for himself. He's not some corporate pansy who shows up to one meeting a year but rather an educated engineer and somewhat reluctant businessman. I love Cap but he is just too much of a paragon to really represent what is the real America.
***** Fin Fang Foom's race is called Makluan.
They don't care about the fans. They just want to cash in on these iconic characters. They couldn't care less about being faithful to the source material.
Shang chi trailer brought me here.
I really like the comic-book Mandarin, but I also really liked the direction they went in for Iron man 3 regarding the Mandarin, although it was risky and pissed off a lot of people.
I loved the Mandarin in Iron Man 3... Said no one ever.
Keanu Reeves could play the real Mandarin in the MCU. Think about it, he has a English mother and part-Chinese father in real life just like The Mandarin. At one point he was rumored to play Dr. Strange but that role ended in the hands of Benedict Cumberbatch. I think it's a great opportunity for Marvel to cast him for future Iron Man movies.
+Xnake no
My God ! Wtf yo!! Dude seriously
Wtf u smoking ??? U got bad taste in choosing ..hire the Chinese actor in mortal Kombat who play shang shung ! Definitely play mandarin ..reeves ?.😂😂👀👀
Was anyone else kind of disappointed when the manderan turned out to just be an actor in iron man 3
Good job of portraying him in Iron Man 3. NOT! I think that move was worse then, The Watchman.
watchman was too close to them comics and was that it failed
chagen316 i didnt understand watchmen it was tooo confusing
good news if they do an Iron Man 4 they can rectify that. As in the Marvel one shot revealed their is a real Mandarin who was not happy having his name used by the bad guys in Iron man 3
watch "marvel one shot: all hail the king" it will put your mind at ease. Worked for me.
johnny prothero I heard they will be doing Iron Man 4 and had intentionally done what they did in Iron Man 3 as a way to introduce the real Mandarin so people who weren't familiar with the comics weren't completely lost as well as making the rest of us happy.
Dear WatchMojo,
Could you guys PLEASE do the origins of the members of the Wrecking Crew, Parallax, Teen Titans, and many others please?!
If only Kingsly was really Mandarin too...
Don't worry it's explained in the comic "Hail The King" that Killian and Ben Kingsley (the actor who played the "Mandarin") weren't actually associated with the REAL Mandarin and were just taking his name...
I imagine that to be a cop out because they knew just how pissed fans would be if they had stuck to their original claim that he was The Mandarin and how their "clever" twist turned out to blow up in their faces.
I had no problem with him being middle eastern, nor did I have problems with him being a self righteous terrorist... but when they stripped him back to be seen as nothing more than an actor and blah blah blah.... it was lame and no matter how they save face, it is still a cop out and they had to of known it would be received poorly by fans
No let's talk about it. It was great!!! Best Mandarin ever. Just loved how they did the character. And in 2013 that was the best way to make the character work. Ah.... Mandarin.x) Can't wait for the Blu-ray release so i can see it again.
Im here to figure this out its 4-19-21
The suits don't fall apart.They are made so that they can easily break and then reassemble.The suit obviously wouldn't break if there was someone inside them.The movie shows that Tony is Iron Man even when he does not have his suit.The movie answers the question whether the suit makes the man or the man makes the suit.
"He is the descendent of Genghis Khan"
So is a lot of Europe and Asia, that's not that special honestly.
Direct descendant*
***** Wrong.
dakota kidd
He isn't wrong though.
and 20 million isn't as much as it seems either.
with the near 8 billion people on the planet even if you just factor in males that number is still small if it were 200 million that'd be a huge number
Iron Man and Batman share way too much in common.
Lost their parents? Check.
Inherited an enormous fortune? Check.
Used said fortune for making super cool gadgets? Check.
Expert with the ladies? Check.
We don't talk about iron man 3
+H BI +Marshanah T. BUT THERE WAS A 10 RING AGENT IN ANTMAN..GOOGLE IT
Yeah, I was expecting a more faithful portrayal of the Mandarin as well, I think he would have made a much more threatening villain than what they came up with
yeah iron man 3 really let me down.
I know, that was an ironic argument to highlight that the argument "they changed the Mandarin to be more realistic" was absurd.
But you make a good point. It would be so easy - given the Mandarin's origins in the comics - to have him find Chitauri technology in a post-Avengers scenario and forge the rings out of them. Such a miseed opportunity.
As much as they fucked up the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, I liked the way they handled him in the first half of the movie. Sure, it wasn't particularly loyal to the comics, but he was truly intimidating when we thought he was behind the "terrorism attacks". It was a modern twist to the character, and they were heading in the right direction by playing off of the contemporary fear of terrorism groups. The style of the videos he sent out was truly gripping, and I was looking forward to seeing Iron Man take on an opponent that was more devious than brutish.
Of course, then they fucked it up to make some cheap jokes, and I am certainly not defending that part.
I know in the first iron man movie they hinted at the mandarin with the group who had Tony which they called themselves the 10 rings.
But the real "Mandarin" exists in Mcu, there's a one shot film called "All hail the king" that shows what happened to the actor after the events of Iron Man 3. I've never read comics so I'm not that offended of how they handled the Mandarin in the comics but he was a pretty interesting antagonist during the first half of the film but they just pretty much wasted Ben Kingsleys acting skills on the joke that is Iron Man 3 Mandarin, so that kinda bugs me.
CreamCoffee if by chance you watch the cartoon of iron man the mandarin is in there showing him how he should be.
Nope that was a fake mandarin they stole his name and mocked him for proof watch
All hail the king
Favorite iron Man villain. I would crack up when Iron Man would call him “Mandy!”