Disgusting how the CEO had the nerve to whine about safety regulations and fire someone who expressed concerns over the sub. Now he's endangered his own life and 4 other passengers.
He had the textbook air of someone who thinks their own ignorance is a blessing. This idea that because people know a lot more than him, they're blind to innovation and new ideas. Of course, that's never how the world works.
@@VioletDeathRei Topside might ask you for position updates which would spoil the trip though fortunately I think the CEO had that equipment removed so they would stop bothering him.
The saddest one is the 19 year old. Apparently he was terrified and didn’t want to go but his dad was a big titanic buff and pushed him to do it for Father’s Day. That poor kid was just trying to make his dad happy 😢
As an ex navy and ex submariner I can tell you that the reason for those regulations is because the ways of dying on a sub are not only numerous but all are absolutely horrifying.
@@ragestacker drowning is the least severe. Craft fire, at that depth the pressure is enough to crush a human like it was an empty soda can. If there was any flaw in the hull the pressure is high enough that a leak can turn into a water jet capable of cutting soft items (like tissue and bone). At that depth the temperature drops to arctic cold. Even if they don’t run out of oxygen they’ll freeze to death. And finally off the top of my head, dying of asphyxiation.
@@reymondlopez7468 I remember reading about some hideous pressure failure incident where a man was forced through a crescent shaped gap about 3cm wide at the biggest part. Gravity may be a harsh mistress but pressure is a god damm psychopath.
The fact that this CEO thought his submarine that he used to get people down to see the Titanic was too safe was just foreshadowing like how the guy in Titanic (1997) said the ship is unsinkable
fun fact, In real life Harland and Wolff and White Star Line never made such a claim. However, when the media got word of the ‘three cutting edge ocean liners,’ they sprung on the new technology, and declared that the White Star Line and Harland and Wolff were making three “practically unsinkable” ships, White Star Line didn’t bother dispelling. so its kinda just the media/newspapers that made those claims
It took 73 years to find the Titanic. Finding this little submersible is truly like finding a needle in a haystack. Cant even fathom the horror inside that little cabin ...
No, finding the Titanic was like finding a needle in a haystack. That little sub is the size of a minivan, way smaller than just one of Titanic’s 29 boilers. This is like finding a grain of sand in a haystack.
Something to point out is they already know where the Titanic, the destination, and the start of the trip are. They know (roughly) when the problem started. Finding out where they should be is the easy part. A literal "If Billy is going 50mph for 200m, how long will it take" question. Getting there in time is the real challenge. One I hope that is met.
Rush (the CEO) also fired one of the highest ranking employees in 2018 when the employee refused to sign off on the sub’s safety. Basically, the guy who’s job it was to say if something was unsafe got fired for saying it was unsafe. I’m glad Rush was on the sub when it happened. He deserved to be.
@@JDoe-gf5ozWell his reputation is destroyed now that he's dead, at least. Better he dead, he cant worm out of death like he can wriggle free from deserved imprisonment.
Yeah, it’s an easy way out. He could be a fall guy for the company to keep going. The next course of action is to sue it to bankruptcy and effectively dissolve it pronto.
To anyone who hasnt seen the update, the submarine has imploded on itself due to pressurization issues and there were no survivors , they found the sub in pieces scattered along the ocean floor
As a 12-year submariner, I can't wait to see the increased regulations from this shitshow of a company. It takes dozens of men working under strict controls, testing, and inspections to ensure a sub is ready for sea. Hours upon hours retesting a system to ensure it can withstand sea pressure. Stacks and stacks of paperwork verify tolerances are perfect. There's a lot of things in our jobs we hated and quickly got through, but that wasn't something we skimmed on. I don't understand the concept of lacking on the systems in place to save your life. A submarine isn't special because it sinks, every ship sinks. A submarine is special because it comes back up, and there's been a lot of dead submariners to ensure regulations are in place to protect us.
I honestly dont think it will lead to sharpening the regulations themselves. The change i see comming is they will make it impossible for commercial sumbersions without a stamp of approval from somebody impartial, which is the thing that should be there in the first place.
@@agentofxana If people want to risk their lives, it should be their choice. As long as they pay back the millions in tax dollars spent searching for them.
The fact that the titanic sunk (partially) becuase of design flaws and the submarine that went to explore the titanic went missing becuase of design flaws really says something
If I was going to be crammed in a tin can the size of a small van and dropped 12,000ft below the surface (which you couldn’t PAY ME 250k to do), I would want MORE regulations. The sheer stupidity and hubris of the CEO is shocking.
What sort of safety regulations did the Wright brothers have when they flew the first airplane. What they did back then is completely different then what we have now. This is the same concept. Not many humans have gone that far in the Ocean and incidents like now and what we learn from this is are all going into the procedure manual and what systems the subs need to have for future dives to prevent incidents similar to this. We don't even know what went wrong. They could've been attacked by a Giant Squid for all we know and blaming the CEO about safety regulations would be for nothing.
This wasn't exploration, this was tourism. If he was "exploring" on his own or with only a hired crew I wouldn't care if his gear was a bucket on his head and lead weights. When you take other peoples money for taking them into a dangerous place THEN there is no such thing as too safe.
@@Relic142what a shitty take, we have had decades more of scientific research/experience regarding the perils of the ocean, humans today are armed with more knowledge than humans from the 1900s. We should know better.
It’s estimated that the submarine imploded in 30 milliseconds. They basically died without feeling a thing…which gives me some relief to know that they didn’t suffer over the course of several days from hunger and suffocation
Jesus christ, I just thought I’d play a stopwatch and try and stop it on the 30 millisecond mark and my god. It is quicker than you think it is. I’m relieved that it would’ve been painless but it makes me so sad and furious that a kid my age (19) was on that submersible. I only hope the families are okay and something like this never happens again. The ocean is a cruel and beautiful place not made for humans.
I like how the article quoted a Johns Hopkins deep-sea expert to state that the submarine is either 1) anywhere along the surface, 2) anywhere between the surface and the bottom, or 3) anywhere along the bottom. Real glad they managed to narrow the search down to these three areas
History repeats itself. 14 years before the titanic sank 1889 there was a book published called futility and it was about a big unsinkable ship named titan hitting an iceberg and sinking near Newfoundland, not having enough lifeboats for the 2,500 passengers. Then the titanic sank the same way also being called unsinkable and having 2,200 passengers. Then we have the titan trying to go see the titanic and imploding. We have to learn to leave things alone. Also really crazy how the author basically predicted that.
Agree. I understand that humans want to discover and see new things but we also need to realise that there are limits and that we will most likely never be able to safely visit and discover every corner of our earth.
There was also a passenger on the titanic, William Stead, who wrote 2 stories about a ship hitting an iceberg and there not being enough lifeboats, but he wrote these stories before the titanic in 1886 and 1892. So he kinda predicted his own death
For anyone wondering, they announced they found pieces like 15 minutes ago. So it imploded in the way down, and the bodies of the passengers have been destroyed by the pressure. My condolences to the friends and family members of the accident.
They clearly just didn't want to spend any more resources to find them so they said they found debris when they were sure that the submarine ran out of oxygen.
@@JohnSmith-me4ik That seems pointless though. They would've just said "They will have run out of oxygen by now, there was only enough for this amount of time". I mean, what's the alternative? People start believing they evolved gills in the span of a couple of days and no longer needed oxygen from the air?
Can you believe that ONE person actually pulled out last minute and demanded his money back after seeing how the sub was. Atleast one dude had the common sense to say, “nope, this is sketch”
someone verify but it’s my understanding that’s how the 19 year old son ended up as the replacement . even if not, still sad a kid essentially got roped into it
This guy legit had himself and 4 others bolted shut into a metal coffin to be buried out at sea. Those poor souls paid a net of $1,000,000 to attend their own funerals, essentially. And the last thing they ever saw was the cold, depressing interior of the sea elevator. They only wished to see a historical wreckage, only to become one of significance themselves. It's as ironic as it is tragic. May they rest in peace.
I almost feel like the CEO “willed it” into existence. Calling the sub “insanely safe” whilst visiting the Titanic, who sunk on it’s first departure even though they called the ship “unsinkable” has some twisted sense of irony to it. If it turns out the sub hit an iceberg as well i’m gonna call in some vodoo shit
I didn't even think about all of that. 😭 "This thing is too safe! " fucking SINKS We really need to stop saying this or that machine is invincible cause clearly god or whatever spirits have an ironic sense of humor
Fun fact titanic had a sister ship named olympic, olympic lived up to the nickname unsinkable as the ship survived getting torpedoed because it was a dud and would ram a german uboat sinking it.
it’s almost poetic that they were trying to visit the titanic wreck, the ship they also claimed was “safe” and most lifeboats were not added to make room for deck space
I honestly can't feel bad for the CEO he quite clearly disregarded safety measures. It's just a shame he had to drag down 4 other people down to a watery grave.
I feel terrible for the 19 year old who only went at his father's behest. Everyone else, especially the CEO... I literally don't know what they expected to happen.
The CEO actually said worst than that in an interview I've read. He was answering about the lack of security on the sub and compared it to crossing the street adding if you don't wanna die, just stay home.
i mean, he is technically right, but i rather trust the street or a plane that has actual tech in it & regulated approved material + on street i can try to dodge a car and atleast 30-50% on my behalf to control the outcome and not 100% by a logitech controlled vessel against insane high pressure.
He also said he didn't want to hire any boring 50 year old white guys because they aren't inspiring, so his priorities might not be in the right spot to be designing anything that keeps people safe.
Being a Titanic nerd and from Belfast were she was built, just knowing that Titanic is 12,000ft under water is an incredible thought. Just to put it in perspective, the Titanic is the same size as 6 statue of liberties but to locate the Titanic is like looking for 1 grain of sand on a football field. In the dark. I'm terrified of the thought alone.
@@oceanwater1246 well if the titanic is like looking for a grain of sand in a football field then this would be equivalent to looking for a grain of sand on the sun
This is definitely one of the most interesting things to happen in the last couple of years. Btw, the folks inside are likely dead now, and probably ran out of oxygen late last night. Suffocation inside of a sealed vessel sounds scary (and it is), but not nearly as gruesome as one might think. As your brain is starved of oxygen, you basically drift into unconsciousness and "go to sleep". Only you don't wake up. It sucks but that's a little bit of a silver lining at least. A peaceful death is something anyone could hope for. Edit: it imploded, so death was instantaneous. Edit edit: it imploded about 2 hours into the journey. They didn't even make it to the Titanic. US Navy and Coast Guard picked up a frequency that sounded like something big exploded right around where their course would've been charted. So yeah, they were dead *days* ago.
It is actually the polar opposite in this situation. With almost every other gas you're correct, but CO2 poisoning specifically (the thing they'd be suffering from) is a very gruesome and painful way to go. The real peaceful death would be depressurization, since at that depth it would be almost instantaneous and they wouldn't have enough time to register the pain.
i guess you could say that, but the thin air, and your lungs shuddering, and the panic attacks you get from not being able to get good air IN. not peaceful. better than drowning maybe? idk. it's all shitty. rather it be something fast.
There's also no CO2 scrubbers onboard from what I've read. Lack of oxygen AND building CO2, both are pretty severe for the brain. One time I used a big clear plastic moving box and gym weights to go to the bottom of my swimming pool and look up from the bottom. I was pretty shocked how fast CO2 built up in that thing.
I went to a military base where they had immersive reality training for military grade submarines. A member asked if we could go below the simulated depth, and surprisingly, the tour guide and the officer he was with agreed. The sub went about 100 meters below the field, the submarine began to leak and cave in, and it exploded. Simulating a submarine implosion was one of the most horrifying things I have ever experienced, I can’t imagine what these people went through.
@@veronicabigham9674they had installed sensors to warn of a hull breach. Which is ridiculous because when carbon fibre fails it fails rapidly. They probably where alerted and then tried to return to surface, supposedly drop weight to surface, befor the inevitable implosion. They knew for at least a little while it seems. Carbon fibre in compression is mental.
The idea of being alone trapped 12,000 ft below the surface in the dark with your air becoming more scarce by the second is terrifying. Not even taking into consideration lack of food and what's outside the submarine.
That window of theirs wouldn't even last 10k ft or probably 8 or 6 for that matter, so """""thanfully""""" they'd be dead before reaching such depth and darkness.
As someone that’s quite literally in the industry of Submarines. We don’t use game pad controllers on critical equipment such as a wireless controller controlling the entire sub. A Controller is fine for periscopes and basic functions, but it is also directly wired. Even our Series X controllers are modified to where you can’t accidentally unplug it during operation.
@@bozhidardimitrov3573familiar, reliable, market tested, tons of R&D to be as ergonomic and responsive as possible, modular The game controller was the closest thing to a good idea that sub seemed to have going for it
i feel especially bad for the 19 yr old who died, apparently he was scared to go on it but felt pressured to go with his father since it was father's day weekend :( the other guys were all really stupid but rip to them regardless, it's awful how the ceo made stupid decisions that ended the lives of five people
While I realize this is a tragedy and I hope the people are rescued, there were so many red flags about this thing that it’s almost digging your own grave at this point.
They didn't dig their own grave. They paid the full price of a small house for their seats in a big metal coffin to then sink down to a 100 year old mass grave in the ocean.
As far as the banging is concerned, when the USS thresher was being searched for, they also heard banging, but it was discovered that was caused by the vessels searching for the thresher instead of the thresher itself. Honestly I think the best case scenario is the sub just imploded and they instantly died
There was also banging heard in the MH370 search. It’s almost definitely an unrelated noise, and not a sign that they’re still alive. I agree tho, immediate implosion is likely the best case scenario here.
Yeah plus they said the banging was at 30 minute intervals which tells me that it probably isn’t the people since if you’re panicking in a situation like that you probably aren’t going to be doing it at intervals.
Considering the shit quality of the sub, that seems the most likely. They would have had better odds going down there in a submarine made out of paper mache.
Undoubtedly the best way this could go, other than if it had somehow miraculously surfaced and we can open the tin can in time. Pretty instantaneous death, you'd pretty much just pop
unfortunately when carbon fiber (its what the sub is made from) breaks it shatters it doesnt collapse likely is that the sub was steadily cracking as it was submerging past its safe depth so who knows what could happen
My 5th grade science teacher knew some people who had worked on the DSV _Alvin_ , one of the submarines used to explore the _Titanic_ wreckage. She brought in some objects while telling us about them. Apparently, crew members would place objects in a sack attached to the outside of the submersible to demonstrate what tremendous ocean pressures at those depths would do. One of the objects was a disposable styrofoam cup; it was permanently crushed down to be smaller than a shot glass, probably not much bigger than the end of my thumb. Another object was a styrofoam (or some other plastic) mannequin head, which was crushed down smaller than my fist (maybe only 2.5" tall) and _crystalized_ , basically turned into glass. It's fair to say I don't have much confidence that the submarine will be found intact, if it's found at all.
Best case scenario: There was a crack in the hull, or the window qualified for 1300 meters depth (they are at 4000) burst and the entire vessel imploded in a matter of microseconds killing everyone instantly. Worst case scenario: They are stuck with no electronics and a depleting supply of oxygen pissing in a rudimentary toilet, losing their minds and attacking each other while submerged in a vessel that you cant even stand straight inside, in complete darkness, alone, with no hope of recovery and knowing that even if they surfaced, they'd suffocate since the hatch cant be opened from the inside. An absolute fucking nightmare. edit: the sub imploded. At least it went over quickly. RIP
My cousin volunteers with our sea-rescue org and he always says the worst thing he's ever been a part of was trying to rescue the crew of a sinking tugboat. The rescuers weren't allowed to attempt to save the crew below deck because the tugboat was sinking very fast and it would endanger the rescuers' lives. But everyone on the rescue vessel could hear the frantic banging and shouting from inside the tugboat as it sank. The skipper was one of the people below deck, trying to save his crew. And his son was there while it happened (he was also a tugboat skipper in the harbour). He heard everything. I think about that story every time I see anything about the Titan. Jesus, those poor people
The most bizarre thing to me is that they are bolted in from the outside. Even if they reach the surface, their access to oxygen won’t change until they’re let out
That's not too bad. They wouldn't have to be let out, just brought to the surface and told to stand back while some burly navy guy takes a jackhammer to the glass. Soon as there's a hole, air will come. Unfortunately, I think that it's most likely that the sub had a sudden, catastrophic failure that killed them all instantly, and even if it didn't, I highly doubt it'll even be found before they're all dead.
@typhoonzebra If they surfaced would they still wouldn't be found instantly. And when we're talking hours of air that makes it more impossible. But yeah my guess is they died instantly awhile ago
The irony of this situation is insane, improper safety practices and irresponsibility caused the Titanic to sink, and now the same thing is happening with this sub.
3:39 “i think nowhere in the universe is more miserable than inside of a submarine” you are absolutely right as somebody who enlisted into the United States Navy with a submarine job, I was only three months into deployment and “tapped” out and BSP’d off the boat, i am now being administratively separated because they would rather only treat my mental health if i stayed in subs then if I refused to go back… trust me, it fucking sucks on a different level, it will never be as bad anywhere on the civilian side.
What’s horrible is the hatch is bolted shut and needs someone to unscrew the bolts from the outside, so even if they made it to the surface they’re still relying on the limited oxegen
@@hughmortyproductions8562The only way it's getting to the surface at this point is with help from someone outside. I'd assume someone from the outside could get it open pretty quick once it surfaced, one way or another.
I am a US Navy Submarine Vet. I was our persicope operator and we got upgraded from a handle with a trigger, similiar to a helicopter controller, to the Xbox controller. WAYYYY easier, i could teach anyone to use that controller. Sad situation. They're like 12k ft deep, aint no one saving them.
I mean, if i have to be honest military switching into using gamepads like the ones from xbox or PS feels right. Like - you have an entire generation that grew up with them. Of course it would be easier to teach them how to use it. Also i think it is funny to think you could be drone striked by someone waving around two Nintendo Joycons lol
@@yooonavarro309cause it’s a specific vehicle made to traverse a obscenely dangerous environment, which had glaring flaws that were ignored. Most car accidents occur due to user errors or faulty maintenance or environmental problems, not the CEO making cars out of aluminum or replacing glass with cellophane. There’s a big difference as for who is at fault here, definitely not an accident when the CEO was told the risks but ignored it. This is deadly ignorance and negligence.
When the story first dropped I assumed the “submersible” was some luxury vessel with compartments and state of the art technology. Imagine my surprise when I found it was a frickin’ DIY project from a shady ass company. Three people paid 250k to get crushed to death in a tin can.🤦🏾♂️
Same. I was speechless when I saw this tiny thing for the first time after hearing about it being missing. How did they expect this to be a successful trip when it was never officially claimed safe… I only feel bad for the 19-year old who was scared of this…
I mean, considering they've been doing this for years just goes to show their submersibles are very well made, despite camping equipment being used. The company either got over confident with their "obscenely safe" regulations and didn't bother doing mandatory safety checks, or they were trying to prevent spending money on submersibles to be replaced for new ones. Either way, this was negligence because OceanGate didn't bother keeping their customers safety in mind before saving themselves money.
@@Dondizle I suspect it was a cost saving measure, Carbon fiber isn't a material you want to repeatedly compress, let alone carbon fiber capped with two titanuim shells. Honestly when I first heard about this I figured they chose carbon fiber and those end plates so they could swap out the core every few trips. But it seems like they just kept stressing the same core.
Probably taken out of context, I try not read any articles on the day of the incident since every journalist is an expert. I'd like to see this original article or report.
To elaborate a little on the gamepad, IIRC the US navy had several thousand dollar controllers being custom made for periscopes on submarines, and using one involved quite a bit of training. One of the higher ups had the actually brilliant decision to see if they could use something like an x-box controller, no fancy engineering necessary it was already a mass produced product, and most of the people coming in had at least some familiarity with them. It ended up being a huge success, cutting gosts from something like 30k per controller to $20 and it drastically lowered training times. The last time I checked on that story was like 2012, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but it obviously seems that it's spread to being an industry norm.
For reasons I cannot understand, apparently a lot of people would feel more comfortable if the sub were controlled by a homebrew joystick the CEO made in his basement. Personally I'd feel safer if I saw it were being controlled by tried, tested, and proven technology like an off-the-shelf gamepad.
The US Navy heard sounds consistent with an implosion at the time the submersible lost communication. They weren’t monitoring the submersible but were listening in the area. They even let the Coast Guard know once the submersible was reported missing, 8 hours after the sound was heard. I think the company, navy, and coast guard knew they were gone the entire time. Hence why the company waited 8 hours to report it. They wouldn’t have waited so long if they thought there was a chance to save them. The only reason it was labeled as a missing submersible search was for the sake of the family. They didn’t want to say it imploded until they found evidence. The entire time they were searching for debris not necessarily people. People won’t believe without evidence. James Cameron said as soon as communication and tracking was lost he knew they were gone. He’s friends with a lot of people in this field and sent an email Monday saying they were gone. He explained you don’t lose communication and tracking like that without a catastrophic situation. He’s taken 30 trips to the Titanic so he knew. My only gripe is why they were reporting about the noises. Knowing they had heard the implosion in that area.
They turned this into a 4-5 day story to take the attention away from Biden's son plea deal and IRS whistleblowers. Never let a good tragedy go to waste, says every corrupt bozo in positions of authority.
Yet another great example of how the media can twist the truth and fool the masses. Many people guessed an implosion but we all remained hopeful, just because the news told us so.
The reason it took 8 hours to report it was because it wasn’t the first time the sub lost contact for long periods of time. The Navy wasn’t sure the banging noise was an implosion because there are lots of banging noises in the ocean.
I live on the east coast of Canada, my dad works for the coast gaurd and he is on one of the Canadian teams looking for them. He’s been though 30 years of search and rescues and at a certain point you just have a feeling when things aren’t going to go right. We were talking on the phone last night and he’s not optimistic about finding them.
I'm no expert but I have watched a ton of videos about maritime disasters, and I'd be surprised if they found the sub- intact or not- within the next few months. Heck, my gut is saying it'll be another year before it's found. There are plenty of instances of ships sinking and not being found for years despite knowing the almost *exact* coordinates where they sunk. The ocean is unfathomably big.
That makes this whole thing even more infuriating. The jackass CEO not only put the passengers at risk, but also heroes like your father who risk their lives to save others. Here's hoping he continues to return home safely to you. Thankfully the rescuers aren't as braindead as the CEO.
@@daminox exactly. people have no concept of how absolutely massive the ocean is. hell I grew up on an island, have my boating and fishing licence and had no idea until I did an internship with search and rescue Canada in my second year of university, they are quite literally in the middle of nowhere. they most likey will not be found.
@@airraverstaz Unfortunately it is prevalent, from jackasses who get drunk and decide to go out fishing, or get high and get on speedboats or jet skis, or literally, anybody getting on a boat without a lifejacket ( or not knowing how to swim in the ocean for at least a couple of mins to keep yourself afloat) stupid people make dumb decisions around the water all of the time. The only difference here is that it was a very very expensive mistake by someone who should have known better and made a profit from it. It's so unbelievably dumb, reckless, and preventable. ugh.
If you've ever looked at the aftermath of what happens when even a minor error happens when people are in the deep depths of the ocean then you understand exactly why the industry is so strict. Cutting corners is something you just don't do.
People said it went too deep, this is not confirmed it's a theory of what it happened, where it dived the seafloor isn't deep enough to crush it, but there is possibility of it drifting away as it was descending and actually going deeper then what was supposed too, if that happened, they're confirmed dead.
@@Cuestrupaster They just found debris in the search area so it looks like it did implode which makes sense to me if they lost contact 1.5 hours in to a 6+ hour descent. Either that or they did drift deeper than normal & eventually got desperate enough to try to break out once they ran out of air which is probably what that banging was they heard the other day.
@@emiliolachappa2135you act like you can't have diverse hires and safety regulations? Either way doesn't matter because I doubt it was the diversity that killed these guys
? What are you talking about? There is literally no clue whatsoever yet what’s happened to them, what makes you think safety gestures are the one thing that caused this accident? They’re fucking traveling to one of deepest points on earth in a tin can, if everything goes right they could still get stuck under a rock or something and be unable to escape. It’s very likely the thing did not implode because we likely would have been able to detect an explosion under the water. No one knows what happened don’t act like you do.
A reminder that the company behind the sub built the can from off-the-shelf-material, meaning it won't withstand the kind of pressure it had gone under, and fired the whistleblower who sounded alarm about the project. This is a criminal negligence.
I'm a 30 year old that loves to play on the playground with small children. I've only been arrested 4 times a beat up once but I don't plan on quitting I should have rights too.
You know, The Logi controller was probably the most quality equipment they had on the sub while the rest was the equivalent of finding what they could in the backyard and shed and see if it will work.
To be clear, "off-the-shelf" is an industry term that just means that the tech wasn't custom made. So they could have ordered things from reputable vendors that are mass-produced, without having to make custom modifications. However, considering the amount of corners that were cut, I agree with you in this specific instance. I wouldn't be surprised if they used just random, cheap crap to cut costs.
I got that thing. That controller lasts like one to two months of daily use on a pair of double A batteries. The Bluetooth connection could get spotty depending on where the receiver is, but it’s a pretty solid one to use if you want PlayStation layout with Xbox size…
I certainly wouldn't trust a gaming controller for critical propulsion & motion control on a manned marine vehicle. For ROVs, naval drones, videocameras, periscopes, yes. But not to pilot your craft...
FYI in engineering we often use the term "off the shelf" parts to mean they aren't custom. Most things are "off the shelf". It's not necessarily a bad thing, and in some cases can be ideal. "Off the shelf" parts may be something that's mass produced by a big company that has a good reputation, in which case it's likely to be better quality than anything custom a small company with very little funding could make. For instance with the controller, it's best to let a company with a long track record of making reliable and accurate input devices do the difficult development work, than to expect a tiny company to develop their own from scratch (however, there's definitely better companies to purchase high quality off-the shelf input devices from). It can also refer to really common components, like screws, which are comercially available in standard sizes and might be silly to design yourself.
I've seen others say that those 'obscene safety regulations' are written in human blood, and I think that is the most succinct way to state this whole tragedy.
You always see stereotypical stupid CEO's like this in Sci-Fi movies. You know they always have some guy in a lab coat running behind them with a clipboard saying "But sir! The data suggests..." then they get fired. But damn to see that shit play out in real life at this scale is surreal.
That's basically what they taught us at Job Corps. "Every OSHA rule is in place now because -- before that rule was put into place -- somebody was either crippled or killed because that rule was not in place." Simple way of understanding (and teaching others) safety, regardless of how silly those rules sound to people who've never had to live in a world where those rules weren't around.
True. But he has some point, those "obscene safety regulations" are meant for public and mass transportation, not a niche market for enthusiast. But of course that doesn't mean he could bypass any reasonable safety measure just for the sake of it... He's a fool, but at least he put his money (and his life) where his mouth is.
My grandfather was alive when the original titanic sank. He was a captain in the merchant navy and said that the general consensus among his peers was that it was a ridiculous concept, doomed to failure and financed by hype and very rich passengers. Listening to Charlie makes me think that his narrative could easily be what the commentary was all those years ago. The annoying thing is that some people will start calling "curse" or some such nonsense.
Ugh, I’ve already seen those lunatics on Facebook. People, it’s not a curse. It’s failing to learn from history. That is very much a personal choice, not some force outside of your control.
A curse, greed is more the curse than the Titanic. Cost-saving measures, not following standard safety percussions (Oceangate didnt even pain the vessel Orange; standard usage if its lost it iis easier to differentiate), etc.
I cannot help but feel contempt at the ironic situation of how the attitude which doomed the Titanic 111 years ago, also doomed the passangers of this sub which came to visit it. The belief that nature should be taken lightly because human ingenuity is flawless is a myth which for our well being should disappear from the minds of future generations. It appears like the Titanic may have another list of deaths attributed to its name.
Naw this inventor said stuff like deaths will happen with submarines so why sweat all the safety procedures? They at least had the most advanced ship in the world with the most safety measures ever constructed with the Titanic.
Imagine the fraction of the second of the sub imploding, and the people inside had no time to process it, just the walls getting crushed in and the dark ocean depth taking them all.
prior to this, the CEO suffered a lawsuit because he fired someone for saying the sub is not safe, the former employee then sued and the CEO had to pay settlement.
I would like to also mention, one of the men who are on the submarine, his step son is the one posting photos of blink 182 and saying it’s the way his step dad would want to grieve. This same step son, is someone who threatened to shoot up a concert and massacre a bunch of people, cyber stalked and harassed multiple women on twitter, and went to jail for all these reasons. The man is a lunatic. And now he’s just gained Cardi B’s attention and so many people are following him without even realizing he was threatening to commit a massacre. Hopefully you do a second video of this so more people are aware of this. This guy is scary
The thing that truly fucks with me, as a parent, is the idea of a father having to be there watching their child slowly die a horrible death in a situation that you likely talked them into. I honestly get a sick feeling just thinking about. I get it, they’re billionaires, whatever, but goddamn is that just horrible. Assuming they didn’t implode, which would be the merciful way to go in this situation.
I will say, it's poetic justice that the CEO was onboard when this happened. Flagrant disregard for safety can only end one way. Whatever happened to the submersible, I find peace in the fact that he was among the passengers. Imagine naming your submersible The Titan and claiming it's indestructible... to visit the wreckage of The Titanic. If this were fiction, the whole thing would've been an over-the-top statement piece.
The real tragedy of this submersible is the fact that in his hubris, the CEO likely brought 4 innocent people to their deaths with him. I feel sympathy for every other passenger besides him.
@@ariesarchdemon Agreed. Despite signing waivers or whatever, I think the concept of actually dying when doing something like this is far too abstract for the average person to truly comprehend. Besides, people are allowed to make mistakes or bad choices - it's just that the cost isn't usually so high, and that's absolutely on the CEO for cutting safety measures. My personal hope is that the submersible lost contact because it imploded, so they didn't suffer. Going on an exciting journey one second, and gone the next 1/20th of a second.
I don't think the dude could have been bad enough that a death like the one he's staring down is something to be cheered on. Dozens of hours of mental torture, starving, and thirst, as the air gets thinner and thinner, with four other people who he has to keep calm when he's the one at fault for the situation he brought them into.
@@KarazolaX Yeah people being okay with his death are crazy. "Oh no he thinks the safety is so extreme to the point that it's silly, I'M GLAD HE DIED THEN!" Idiots. I work in mining and there are lots of safety things that I think are stupid.
@@KarazolaXI think its more that in situations like this, when someone dies due to a ceo making dumb saftey decisions, the ceo isn't usually among the people to die. I still think the jokes are not ok
My dad who served in the Navy for several years put the entire thing into the context of a plane. Assuming your plane is 100% air tight, if you lost control, instead of going down you would be going up into space every minute, that's basically what happened to the sub they are essentially lost in an incredibly large search area with no food, water, and limited air. The fact that any of what that CEO turd did was legal is baffling and really goes to show what you can get away with if you make a waiver long enough.
it was "legal" because it was in international waters, so there is no governing body. Others try and follow regulations regardless of legality, but this turd of a CEO tried to cut corners.
@@safi6749 no, it's an analogy. The plane going up into space represents what it's like if a submarine sinks to the bottom of a seemingly endless ocean
Yep between shit like this, getting your entire body shoved through a 24 cm hole like the byford dolphin accident and that one dude who died slowly stuck in a cave upside down, you could not pay me any amount to do any of these. Elevators are about my limit as it is but stuff like this, nah I'm good.
Having a phobia is the definition of being irrational, having fear is good it keeps you safe but having a phobia that sends you into a panic attack will get you killed
As someone who has thalassophobia, I cannot imagine how horrific it must be for the people stuck in a metal tube under deep arctic waters, with no way out. It's doubly hard to imagine when you consider it is happening right now as you are watching this video. I feel really bad for the people at the bottom, but very least though, the CEO took him and his irrationality down with the people whose lives he put in danger.
Same here, I have the same fear and submachaniphobia (fear of man made things under water, specifically mechanical stuff for me), just horrifying like you said.
Who would have known a dangerous vessel, much like the titanic. Would also have it's own issues, I don't feel bad for people who ignored the red flags to go look at a mass grave which ends up being their own.
I've seen a submersible expert talk about the construction of the Titan, and he thought the way the carbon fibre hull was bonded to the metal (titanium?) ends was where it might fail. The Titan had only been down to _Titanic_ twice before. There are only 10 vessels worldwide capable of diving so deep and all are up to industry standards, certified to carry passengers to that depth...all except the Titan.
wait, this thing was called the Titan? In 1898, someone wrote a novella about a ship sinking after hitting an iceberg in a disaster very similar to the actual Titanic disaster. That fictional ship was called the Titan. How did they not know about it?
@@tickledtoffeeRich billionaires will see a book and the moral of the book is to not build the thing. Rich billionaires will build EXACTLY that thing and wonder why it fails and go horribly wrong.
If there are only 10 vessels capable of diving that deep.....if they're on the ocean floor, I don't see how, even if they found them....what they could do. And if it's the middle option, where they're just FLOATING around randomly in the ocean, being pulled along by its current.....they could be anywhere by now.
Well, it’s most likely crushed then (Not completely, but enough that flooding could’ve kicked in and well, The Titan sinks due to flooding, the name of a ship in a book with a similar incident to the Titanic The irony of the situation can be tasted, it’s ridiculous
I feel terrible for that 19 year old boy. The wealthy adults who took on this risk chose it, but that boy essentially paid the ultimate price just for trying to make his dad happy.
ive been in a submerged military sub multiple times in my life and even an actual up to code submarine with several guest safety precautions taken on a submarine that has been docked for decades is terrifying to be in. why would anyone look at the iron lung and pay 250k for a spot inside willingly
Speaking from experience as a commercial pilot, 50% our training is memorizing regulations, 40% is learning emergency procedures, and 10% is learning to fly the plane. It's crazy to me that training like this doesn't apply to submersibles.
The implosion occurred Sunday and would have happened in an instant. The Coast Guard has come out and said the noises heard since then had nothing to do with the sub.
James Cameron, aside from directing The Titanic has been to the Titanic wreckage over 30 times and is a professional deep sea explorer. I think he would have been a better guide to explore this than that CEO. But it's too late now, I hope their souls find peace. Though, I know Netflix is gonna have a field day with this one.
It’s krazy that they didn’t have a bigass sub with James Cameron himself behind it for fucking 250k is insane. I can understand (no I cant) if it was like 25k MAYBE but 250k to go down in a metal tic tac is krazy I hope they find their bodies sometime this century or before I die 🙏🏿
@@princejaxisblack8789 Omg, it seems they found pieces of the Titan. The Coast Guards actually found pieces. So there's definitely no hope that they're alive. And unfortunately they may have been finished off by sea life. Praying for the families. I heard the son was terrified of going, but he only went because his father was excited about it.
That is why nobody is INSPIRED by the trash movie Titanic, and also the movie is too white, where is my trans metro sexual half Asian representation, I want to SEE MYSELF dying in that sinking ship too!
i was on a family trip during this whole thing. Not only did tv in rural north carolina cover it, we just kinda watched it all unfold on tv "18 HOURS REMAINING" and stuff
For people that don’t know, if there is even a drop of water that leaks through the submarine while it is submerged, then the entire structure implodes on itself. The inside of the sub has to hold pressurization. If there is a leak, it basically explodes from the inside.
This is not true. During ww2, countless u-boats were damaged by depth charges causing massive leaks - only for the submariners to plug them up and manage to surface once more to abandon ship. For the submarine to implode, the whole structure has to give. You can perform an experiment that will show something similiar. Inflate a balloon, then pierce it with a needle - it will pop. But put some tape on it, then pierce the balloon through the tape, and it won't pop - it'll just start slowly deflating. The mechanism is the same, just reversed, with the pressure being outside instead of inside.
@@karazanic uboats did not go down to the depth of the titanic trust me, they usually travelled just below 150 feet which the water pressure there is a little different from 12500 just saying only like 100x and with exponential increase yeah no one hole and that thing is turning into a crushed can
It could leak without implosion. If implosion occurs it would likely be picked up on the hydrophones. It's a pretty identifiable signature, but that's only if anything nearby was listening when it happened.
An implosion would've been the ideal way to go. Quick and painless. The fact that they heard some sort of manual pinging measure (knocks against the hull of the vessel) means there's a chance they're still alive. To know you're going to die from lack of oxygen inside pitch black darkness must be beyond some sort of existential terror. There's no way they can feasibly rescue the crew within 20 hours, or however long from this point.
Not to be that person, but the Titanic didn’t sink because it violated safety regulations, it sank because safety regulations were so lax. After the sinking regulations were completely overhauled and were wayy more strict to ensure that a disaster like the Titanic would never happen again.
@squishy3248 There were a couple broken rules, I heard, that could've prevented it. One was not giving the look-outs some binoculars, and I believe that the ship also was going faster than was permitted. But, fair observation, nonetheless.
It should be one of the most difficult things in the world to get up and running. At least that way once it is, people aren't sent to the depths of the ocean in their underwater coffin. There's a reason why people train for many years to be a submariner, having money isn't a way around all that training and understanding and it's disgusting that nothing was done prior to this. Something utterly terrible always has to happen before the obvious regulations are ever put into place. It's never a matter of if, always when, why haven't people taken this to heart yet?
Look at huge theme parks, they are regulated up the wazoo and accidents are rare. When there is an accident there is a huge and immediate investigation.
Something crazy to point out is that they don’t even have an emergency beacon on the sub. So If they get into trouble so it’s borderline impossible to know where they are.
every submarine should have one tbh subs are just too dangerous to not have one also you might as well get one if you can afford a submarine in the first place
They’re 10 thousand feet underwater, all of them crushed almost to atom inside the crushed vessel. The shot out remains are currently being eaten by fish
This isn't even the first time OceanGate's _Titan_ has had problems during an excursion to the _Titanic_ wreckage. Arthur Loibl was on a 2021 excursion, which he later called a "suicide mission", saying he's lucky to be alive. OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush and "Titanic expert" Paul-Henri Nargeolet were aboard for the 2021 excursion. Rush and Nargeolet are two of the five people aboard the _Titan_ now that it's missing, alongside father and son Shahzada and Suleman Dawood, and Hamish Harding. Back in 2018, an employee criticized safety issues in the vessel's design and was swiftly fired. Stockton Rush is getting what he asked for and what he deserves - but it's revolting that these miserable shitbags always take other people down with them. . . . . *Edit* Like many others, I've been calling the _Titan_ a submarine. This is technically incorrect. A submarine is an independent vehicle, while the _Titan_ is a submersible, a sort of "sea shuttle" that requires support from another vessel or structure. The _Titan_ is part of OceanGate's Cyclops class. Cyclops use a "launch and recovery platform" that is about the size of a yacht. The platform has air tanks on it that can be flooded with water to drop it below the water surface, at which point a Cyclops can dock / undock on top of it and the platform can rise back up. Cyclops are supposed to have an innovative "real-time health monitoring" system that alerts the pilot to imminent hull damage so that the submersible can ascend before serious damage occurs (kind of like the warnings when passing crush depth in Subnautica.) According to the replies, the safety issues noted in 2018 include: - Useless alarms, because they go off pretty much simultaneously with the hull breaching - Viewports that haven't been certified for anywhere near 4000 meters - Reliance on carbon fiber, which is _also_ not strong enough for 4000 meters
To be specific about the employees complaint. Alarm would only go off milliseconds before implosion, view port(windows) only rated 4.2k feet when they're going 13k feet, the outside is made of carbon fiber which gets very brittle over time and will implode sooner or later. They're f***ken dead, bruh. The banging was the thing blowing up.
Another thing i heard was that he didn’t want any “50 year old white guys” on the team designing the sub because they were “not inspirational” and the one older more experienced dude he did hire told him it was a death trap which led to the dude being fired, later he sued for wrongful termination and it got settled out of court
I saw a great interview yesterday where a submersible expert said that "boring guys" like him focus on the less "inspirational" aspects to keep people alive down there. Any mistake or oversight can be fatal. Honestly, if the technical challenge of diving 2 miles underwater to then explore uncharted places isn't inspirational enough already, then maybe engineering and exploration isn't for you?
Actually no, controllers used in the military are wired, the controller they were using were wireless, which might not seem like a big deal, but does actually lead to complications.
@MilliardoMK True, but to be fair at that point the latency is more controlled based on satellite and radio waves using millions of dollars of tech to send that signal. Not relying on the 30 dollar controller to send a bluetooth signal which is less calculated and more prone to malfunction with wireless connections.
@@MilliardoMK That seems to support my point that they should be using a wired controller, not something that relies on blue tooth and double AA batteries when there is physically no way replace it while you are bolted inside a carbon fiber tube 13,000 feet underwater. There are bigger issues though, and the controller failing wouldn’t have led to the loss of contact.
Im a marine electrical controls engineer, and using a gaming controller is no big deal. These are well engineered devices, and have simple functionality. Basically potentiometers and metal contact, no need for industrial hardening. They are fairly reliable, and can be easily replaced if they fail. The sub did not get lost because of its controller. More likely a poorly designed instrument IO or power supply system if it had to do with electronics. It likely had a single point failure in its power supplies, and probably no backup UPS.
The only dodgy thing about the controller is that it appears to be wireless which is just mind-blowing, consciously adding another point of failure like that.
@@TripleDDDD Even with a single prop failure they should have had an emergency ballast system to surface. I'm wondering if they had a massive power failure of some kind, and had an electrically actuated ballast system that wasn't fail safe, and with no mechanical backup. Incredibly bad design of course, but that would explain a way for them to get completely lost.
I don't think there's anything wrong with using gaming controllers to control, like, sub or other vehicle. But that thing looks like wireless Logitech F710 and that crap as great at holding signal connection as spirit box used as a radio
Seriously, like what is the actual point? I feel like you'd barely see anything with that tiny window and I'd be surprised if that sub has adequate lighting for how deep they'll be
@@ebenezer-scroogebunch of rich dickheads experiencing karma is what it sounds like. If they were smart enough to spend their money on something worthwhile they wouldn’t be in that situation. Its their fault and only their fault lmao.
So the ocean has not only claimed the unsinkable ship, but also the obscenely safe sub. People really gotta start being more humble when they name these things, because she apparently loves a challenge.
I worked in a biophysics lab for a while and used our really powerful microscope to image DNA. I used a totally normal out of the box 360 controller to control it. It was honestly REALLY intuitive.
@@tfan2222 didn’t work now tho especially in that janky repeatedly unapproved sub and even then would you trust an sub piloted by a fucking controller bro be honest with yourself man😂
I remember when the Hunley was found and it was in a huge tank for visitors to see. Looking at that thing sitting in the water, knowing people died inside it, is still one of the most haunting things I’ve ever seen.
The mothership lost signal of the sub 1hr 45mins into a 2 hr dive to the Titanic. It takes about 2 hrs to dive to the Titanic and 2 hrs to head back to the surface. Out of the planned 8 hr dive they would would have been down by the Titanic for 4 hrs. The sub was pretty much almost at the Titanic when the mothership lost the signal to the sub. Pretty high probability the sub is sitting somewhere on the ocean floor if it didn’t already implode.
they've been down there for 4 days now, in a 22 foot long tube, cramped , with only a urinnal and no heat. and stuck with the CEO probably constantly saying its ok and the rescue team will be here any minute. an actual nightmare
imagine being a space you cant even stand up in with the narcissistic maniac that convinced you it's safe. Im pretty sure they're eating each other alive down there. Not in a literal sense, but Im pretty sure the hopelessness of the situation could lead to violence. Not like any of that matters anymore. The ocean is uncaring.
Best case scenario at this point would be if the sub had a structural failure and the pressure killed them. as gruesome as that is, it’d be a lot more quick and painless than suffocating at the bottom of the ocean for a few days while fully aware of your situation. There’s no way they make it out of this alive. I feel sorry for their families.
The craziest thing is how the hatch is sealed from the outside with NO escape hatch. That means even if they are on the surface they still can't exit or even open it to replenish their air supply. Bet that CEO is regretting having no real safety features now
@CrazyGuy66 it wouldn't help regardless, if they're underwater it would mean a danger as the door could reopen, and if they're above water, the oceans waves would fill up the pod very quickly, starving that oxygen, and making the pod heavier, which means it would sink uncontrollably.
One thing that is overlooked a lot is that the window was only made to go to depths of 1,300 meters and they went down to 4,000 meters. My money is on it imploding instantly which is probably a better way to go but here's hoping it's on the surface somewhere. Also as to the banging I read that people who were looking for the MH370 flight heard banging constantly at random areas. The particular rescuer said it's such a pain because it makes you very hopeful but a loud banging sound in the ocean can be a whole variety of things and doesn't necessarily point to something caused by humans.
@@kevinfromsales6842 Consider this was done by the same team that decided on a decade old wireless game controller as the primary operator interface, and to make the only egress point held on by 17 bolts with no way to rapidly escape. This thing would be a deathtrap in a swimming pool.
@@treelineresearch3387 It does seem like they just wanted to get to the titanic on a strict budget. A carbon fiber tube with a bunch of metal scaffolding to weigh it down doesn't invoke much confidence.
Disgusting how the CEO had the nerve to whine about safety regulations and fire someone who expressed concerns over the sub. Now he's endangered his own life and 4 other passengers.
Not endangered, practically murdered 4 people
When sociopaths run a company.
He had the textbook air of someone who thinks their own ignorance is a blessing. This idea that because people know a lot more than him, they're blind to innovation and new ideas.
Of course, that's never how the world works.
If they’re losing oxygen instead of imploding instantly, that dude is probably spending his last hours regretting those moves…
Fuck'em. People like them believe they're above everyone else.
I'm just disappointed Bezos and Musk didn't go with them.
The CEO claiming the submarine to be insanely safe is the equivalent of saying the titanic can't sink
Have you heard the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?
The irony shouldn't be as funny as it is
now we’ve gone full circle
John Hammond: Spared no expense!
It's a submersible... not a submarine.
And why wasn't a location device regulated?
This is sus as hell.
Don't you just hate it when the submersible, that is the only thing standing between you and being crushed to death, is too safe?
It's only the weight of an Empire State building made of lead pushing down on you every second.
What's the worst that could happen?
@@VioletDeathRei being too safe
@@VioletDeathRei Topside might ask you for position updates which would spoil the trip though fortunately I think the CEO had that equipment removed so they would stop bothering him.
@@VioletDeathRei
Im pretty sure that thing would crush if it had the empire state building on top off it.
Might be fun
The saddest one is the 19 year old. Apparently he was terrified and didn’t want to go but his dad was a big titanic buff and pushed him to do it for Father’s Day. That poor kid was just trying to make his dad happy 😢
i just learned about him today, devastating honestly
Yeah, truly the one crew member I feel pity for.
abusive parents be like
Yeah that is really sad. One thing i've learned is that if you're forced to do something against your will, just don't and stand your ground.
As an Asian I can relate how parents here can be it’s honestly fucked up.
As an ex navy and ex submariner I can tell you that the reason for those regulations is because the ways of dying on a sub are not only numerous but all are absolutely horrifying.
Explain
@@ragestacker drowning is the least severe. Craft fire, at that depth the pressure is enough to crush a human like it was an empty soda can. If there was any flaw in the hull the pressure is high enough that a leak can turn into a water jet capable of cutting soft items (like tissue and bone). At that depth the temperature drops to arctic cold. Even if they don’t run out of oxygen they’ll freeze to death. And finally off the top of my head, dying of asphyxiation.
@@reymondlopez7468 I remember reading about some hideous pressure failure incident where a man was forced through a crescent shaped gap about 3cm wide at the biggest part. Gravity may be a harsh mistress but pressure is a god damm psychopath.
All of the safety regulations are the result of some unfortunate sods dying
@@deadomega9950 not great for the families hoping to find their bodies in tact though 😭
The fact that this CEO thought his submarine that he used to get people down to see the Titanic was too safe was just foreshadowing like how the guy in Titanic (1997) said the ship is unsinkable
fun fact, In real life Harland and Wolff and White Star Line never made such a claim. However, when the media got word of the ‘three cutting edge ocean liners,’ they sprung on the new technology, and declared that the White Star Line and Harland and Wolff were making three “practically unsinkable” ships, White Star Line didn’t bother dispelling. so its kinda just the media/newspapers that made those claims
@@metallicarabbitthis fact wasn't fun
@@calebpipetI agree, probably the unfunnest fact I’ve seen in a while
I apologize for this grave mistake
@@alexnotstoppu mean like 1912
It took 73 years to find the Titanic. Finding this little submersible is truly like finding a needle in a haystack. Cant even fathom the horror inside that little cabin ...
No, finding the Titanic was like finding a needle in a haystack. That little sub is the size of a minivan, way smaller than just one of Titanic’s 29 boilers. This is like finding a grain of sand in a haystack.
@@squishy3248 Even if they know exactly where it entered to go down , I just don't see any way it hasn't gone completley off course by now right ?
Hope they’re not found 🔥 🔥
@@sacredsponge161 theyre billionairs who probably dont even care for the poor. im with you on this one
Something to point out is they already know where the Titanic, the destination, and the start of the trip are. They know (roughly) when the problem started. Finding out where they should be is the easy part. A literal "If Billy is going 50mph for 200m, how long will it take" question. Getting there in time is the real challenge. One I hope that is met.
Rush (the CEO) also fired one of the highest ranking employees in 2018 when the employee refused to sign off on the sub’s safety. Basically, the guy who’s job it was to say if something was unsafe got fired for saying it was unsafe.
I’m glad Rush was on the sub when it happened. He deserved to be.
crazy take but a valid take
Better he wasn't so he could get sued into the poor house and watch his reputation be destroyed.
@@JDoe-gf5ozWell his reputation is destroyed now that he's dead, at least. Better he dead, he cant worm out of death like he can wriggle free from deserved imprisonment.
Yeah, it’s an easy way out. He could be a fall guy for the company to keep going. The next course of action is to sue it to bankruptcy and effectively dissolve it pronto.
yeah, i have no respect for bourgeoisie
Even after 110 years the Titanic is still taking people down with her. What an insane situation.
A sign from God and the Universe to leave certain THINGS alone!
Come up with a more original comment and you'll enjoy those likes even more.
You’re not looking for her-SHE’s looking for YOU
Can we stop this?
Even after a billion idiots repeating this same comment, dumbasses are still saying it
To anyone who hasnt seen the update, the submarine has imploded on itself due to pressurization issues and there were no survivors , they found the sub in pieces scattered along the ocean floor
This is so messed up.
@@Rasupubegasu its probably one of the better ways they couldve died in that situation tbh. instantaneous. no suffering
They imploded on the way down to the wreckage, they didn’t get the chance to see the Titanic
Crushed like a tin can.
Christ that's awful
As a 12-year submariner, I can't wait to see the increased regulations from this shitshow of a company. It takes dozens of men working under strict controls, testing, and inspections to ensure a sub is ready for sea. Hours upon hours retesting a system to ensure it can withstand sea pressure. Stacks and stacks of paperwork verify tolerances are perfect. There's a lot of things in our jobs we hated and quickly got through, but that wasn't something we skimmed on. I don't understand the concept of lacking on the systems in place to save your life. A submarine isn't special because it sinks, every ship sinks. A submarine is special because it comes back up, and there's been a lot of dead submariners to ensure regulations are in place to protect us.
Those assholes fired one of their engineers just because they went “hey this isn’t safe” so I’m severely doubting it
I honestly dont think it will lead to sharpening the regulations themselves. The change i see comming is they will make it impossible for commercial sumbersions without a stamp of approval from somebody impartial, which is the thing that should be there in the first place.
The regulations are solid. The jackass CEO chose to ignore them.
@@agentofxana If people want to risk their lives, it should be their choice. As long as they pay back the millions in tax dollars spent searching for them.
@@ceebee3083Why so the government can not check but say they did?
The fact that the titanic sunk (partially) becuase of design flaws and the submarine that went to explore the titanic went missing becuase of design flaws really says something
about industrial society and its future
Literally repeat the history itself, this could've been prevented if they were more careful and fix these flaws though
@@Cat-yo2mbhistory doesn’t repeat itself, but it sure as hell does rhyme.
@@helper_botby John...
The Titanic is literally the poster-child of poor project management and scope-creep.
There is no such thing as “too many safety regulations” when you’re exploring places like the ocean depths and space
If I was going to be crammed in a tin can the size of a small van and dropped 12,000ft below the surface (which you couldn’t PAY ME 250k to do), I would want MORE regulations. The sheer stupidity and hubris of the CEO is shocking.
What sort of safety regulations did the Wright brothers have when they flew the first airplane. What they did back then is completely different then what we have now. This is the same concept. Not many humans have gone that far in the Ocean and incidents like now and what we learn from this is are all going into the procedure manual and what systems the subs need to have for future dives to prevent incidents similar to this. We don't even know what went wrong. They could've been attacked by a Giant Squid for all we know and blaming the CEO about safety regulations would be for nothing.
@@Relic142except submarines have existed for almost as long as planes your logic is flawed
This wasn't exploration, this was tourism. If he was "exploring" on his own or with only a hired crew I wouldn't care if his gear was a bucket on his head and lead weights. When you take other peoples money for taking them into a dangerous place THEN there is no such thing as too safe.
@@Relic142what a shitty take, we have had decades more of scientific research/experience regarding the perils of the ocean, humans today are armed with more knowledge than humans from the 1900s. We should know better.
It’s estimated that the submarine imploded in 30 milliseconds. They basically died without feeling a thing…which gives me some relief to know that they didn’t suffer over the course of several days from hunger and suffocation
Jesus christ, I just thought I’d play a stopwatch and try and stop it on the 30 millisecond mark and my god. It is quicker than you think it is. I’m relieved that it would’ve been painless but it makes me so sad and furious that a kid my age (19) was on that submersible. I only hope the families are okay and something like this never happens again.
The ocean is a cruel and beautiful place not made for humans.
@@alexeithegoatlast sentence is pure facts. glad they didn’t feel pain though 😓
@@alexeithegoatit made humans.
@@alexeithegoat the ocean isnt cruel, humans are just stupid.
@@bobnewton1064yeah and it didn't give us gills
I like how the article quoted a Johns Hopkins deep-sea expert to state that the submarine is either 1) anywhere along the surface, 2) anywhere between the surface and the bottom, or 3) anywhere along the bottom. Real glad they managed to narrow the search down to these three areas
It should be easy to find them now!
I'm just glad we have experts to help us understand what we never could on our own. I originally thought the sub was in China because it went too low
We can conclusively say the DIY scrapyard minisub made by college students is on Earth.
Thank god we know it is still above ocean bed. Just imagine if it somehow ended up nerar the center of the earth
Well I’m glad it’s safe to say they’re in or near the ocean!
History repeats itself. 14 years before the titanic sank 1889 there was a book published called futility and it was about a big unsinkable ship named titan hitting an iceberg and sinking near Newfoundland, not having enough lifeboats for the 2,500 passengers. Then the titanic sank the same way also being called unsinkable and having 2,200 passengers. Then we have the titan trying to go see the titanic and imploding. We have to learn to leave things alone. Also really crazy how the author basically predicted that.
Agree. I understand that humans want to discover and see new things but we also need to realise that there are limits and that we will most likely never be able to safely visit and discover every corner of our earth.
The book Futility was published in 1898, not 1889.
@@jacksongibbs8998 yes you’re right! Sorry I switched up the numbers
There was also a passenger on the titanic, William Stead, who wrote 2 stories about a ship hitting an iceberg and there not being enough lifeboats, but he wrote these stories before the titanic in 1886 and 1892. So he kinda predicted his own death
An absolute lesson in hubris. The CEO said safety is waste. An employee who raised concerns was fired.
Well now CEO is getting fired by God.
The CEO is getting karma’d along with the other people. Those poor people stuck with the CEO.
@@curtisyue182maybe Hof does exist after all 😂.
@@MasNas624 The CEO would probably kill all the passengers just so save oxygen for himself.
Just unfortunate that some innocent ppl w/ disposable income got screwed by this guy
For anyone wondering, they announced they found pieces like 15 minutes ago. So it imploded in the way down, and the bodies of the passengers have been destroyed by the pressure. My condolences to the friends and family members of the accident.
Stockton Rush definitely is an Exception 100%, "Safety Is Pure Waste" Look where that got him.
yep it had one to many trips down there before it imploded, they should have had it regulated
@@RapptorG15or hired 50 something’s that have experience dealing with problems and crisis, might of helped 🤷♂️
They clearly just didn't want to spend any more resources to find them so they said they found debris when they were sure that the submarine ran out of oxygen.
@@JohnSmith-me4ik That seems pointless though. They would've just said "They will have run out of oxygen by now, there was only enough for this amount of time". I mean, what's the alternative? People start believing they evolved gills in the span of a couple of days and no longer needed oxygen from the air?
Can you believe that ONE person actually pulled out last minute and demanded his money back after seeing how the sub was. Atleast one dude had the common sense to say, “nope, this is sketch”
I bet he's feeling pretty good RN.
Sourcs?
someone verify but it’s my understanding that’s how the 19 year old son ended up as the replacement . even if not, still sad a kid essentially got roped into it
I just watched a video of a woman who had spent a good portion of her life savings to go on the voyage right before this fatal one...
Just type in on google “person that changed their mind about oceangate” and it should be the very first article from dailymail.
This guy legit had himself and 4 others bolted shut into a metal coffin to be buried out at sea. Those poor souls paid a net of $1,000,000 to attend their own funerals, essentially. And the last thing they ever saw was the cold, depressing interior of the sea elevator. They only wished to see a historical wreckage, only to become one of significance themselves. It's as ironic as it is tragic. May they rest in peace.
They're a joke. Don't compare their exploitative adventures to the wreckage that people like them left to die at sea.
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honestly à beautifully worded comment
That's honestly a beautifully worded commentary
You sound like a writer
I almost feel like the CEO “willed it” into existence. Calling the sub “insanely safe” whilst visiting the Titanic, who sunk on it’s first departure even though they called the ship “unsinkable” has some twisted sense of irony to it. If it turns out the sub hit an iceberg as well i’m gonna call in some vodoo shit
Lmao stg if it hit an ice berg. 😂
I didn't even think about all of that. 😭 "This thing is too safe! " fucking SINKS
We really need to stop saying this or that machine is invincible cause clearly god or whatever spirits have an ironic sense of humor
Fun fact titanic had a sister ship named olympic, olympic lived up to the nickname unsinkable as the ship survived getting torpedoed because it was a dud and would ram a german uboat sinking it.
No, it was just built by Gen Z TikTokers.
@@purplepuddlesuwu Men: This ( ) is indestructible!
The Gods: *fucking bet*
it’s almost poetic that they were trying to visit the titanic wreck, the ship they also claimed was “safe” and most lifeboats were not added to make room for deck space
Thank you for saying poetic instead of ironic.
@@SirClawedfrog you’re very welcome
@@SirClawedfrogwhy is poetic better here
They really got the full titanic experience
@@pasiman7717 he hears people say ironic more then poetic
I honestly can't feel bad for the CEO he quite clearly disregarded safety measures. It's just a shame he had to drag down 4 other people down to a watery grave.
i mean yes its sad but they copuld knew what happened i dont know lol. i just feel sad for that 19YO who didnt even wanted to go on that thing....
@@rhydonifyhow tf could they have known what would happen are you dumb
Boo hoo 4 rich ass fools who all had 250k lying around
Can’t say I have any remorse whatsoever for the filthy rich
@@majorfender6054One of the people who died was a leading expert on the titanic.
@@LunaticTheCat cool!
I feel terrible for the 19 year old who only went at his father's behest. Everyone else, especially the CEO... I literally don't know what they expected to happen.
The CEO actually said worst than that in an interview I've read. He was answering about the lack of security on the sub and compared it to crossing the street adding if you don't wanna die, just stay home.
This guy is fucking insane
The families are 100% going to sue and ruin this moron.
@@3twibles4sweetrevenge was
i mean, he is technically right, but i rather trust the street or a plane that has actual tech in it & regulated approved material + on street i can try to dodge a car and atleast 30-50% on my behalf to control the outcome and not 100% by a logitech controlled vessel against insane high pressure.
He also said he didn't want to hire any boring 50 year old white guys because they aren't inspiring, so his priorities might not be in the right spot to be designing anything that keeps people safe.
Being a Titanic nerd and from Belfast were she was built, just knowing that Titanic is 12,000ft under water is an incredible thought. Just to put it in perspective, the Titanic is the same size as 6 statue of liberties but to locate the Titanic is like looking for 1 grain of sand on a football field. In the dark. I'm terrified of the thought alone.
and now imagine something way smaller then that.. a little sub.. at the bottom of the ocean.. good luck
not to mention the debris field between bow and stern alone is spread around a mile
@@oceanwater1246 well if the titanic is like looking for a grain of sand in a football field then this would be equivalent to looking for a grain of sand on the sun
2.5 miles under
The ocean is so scary
This is definitely one of the most interesting things to happen in the last couple of years. Btw, the folks inside are likely dead now, and probably ran out of oxygen late last night. Suffocation inside of a sealed vessel sounds scary (and it is), but not nearly as gruesome as one might think. As your brain is starved of oxygen, you basically drift into unconsciousness and "go to sleep". Only you don't wake up. It sucks but that's a little bit of a silver lining at least. A peaceful death is something anyone could hope for.
Edit: it imploded, so death was instantaneous.
Edit edit: it imploded about 2 hours into the journey. They didn't even make it to the Titanic. US Navy and Coast Guard picked up a frequency that sounded like something big exploded right around where their course would've been charted. So yeah, they were dead *days* ago.
It is actually the polar opposite in this situation. With almost every other gas you're correct, but CO2 poisoning specifically (the thing they'd be suffering from) is a very gruesome and painful way to go. The real peaceful death would be depressurization, since at that depth it would be almost instantaneous and they wouldn't have enough time to register the pain.
i guess you could say that, but the thin air, and your lungs shuddering, and the panic attacks you get from not being able to get good air IN. not peaceful.
better than drowning maybe? idk. it's all shitty. rather it be something fast.
There's also no CO2 scrubbers onboard from what I've read. Lack of oxygen AND building CO2, both are pretty severe for the brain. One time I used a big clear plastic moving box and gym weights to go to the bottom of my swimming pool and look up from the bottom. I was pretty shocked how fast CO2 built up in that thing.
@@danielfernandez3511 Also you see the others around you in agony and slowly dying
I guess the breaths start coming, and they do, eventually, stop coming
I went to a military base where they had immersive reality training for military grade submarines. A member asked if we could go below the simulated depth, and surprisingly, the tour guide and the officer he was with agreed. The sub went about 100 meters below the field, the submarine began to leak and cave in, and it exploded. Simulating a submarine implosion was one of the most horrifying things I have ever experienced,
I can’t imagine what these people went through.
Holy. Shit. I'm shocked they agreed to let yall do that, but I bet it was bloody eye opening!
At the depth this sub was at and the much higher pressure I doubt there would have been much warning at all before the implosion
Better to do it and learn in SR than IRL!
@@chaosinc.382 well it was only a simulation
@@veronicabigham9674they had installed sensors to warn of a hull breach. Which is ridiculous because when carbon fibre fails it fails rapidly. They probably where alerted and then tried to return to surface, supposedly drop weight to surface, befor the inevitable implosion. They knew for at least a little while it seems. Carbon fibre in compression is mental.
The idea of being alone trapped 12,000 ft below the surface in the dark with your air becoming more scarce by the second is terrifying. Not even taking into consideration lack of food and what's outside the submarine.
That window of theirs wouldn't even last 10k ft or probably 8 or 6 for that matter, so """""thanfully""""" they'd be dead before reaching such depth and darkness.
And the fact that the tourist(s) are stuck down there with the dumbass who is likely gonna get them killed
Yep I'm so good on that lmfaoooo
@@GR3YSC4L3do u even have $250k for a seat?
I would kill the others and have more oxygen plus a free buffet.
Going missing in a submarine has to be one of the most suffocating experiences out there, so unfortunate for those involved
You haven’t even watched the video lmao
@@theseus74well i think everyone knows what the topic is about lol
@@theseus74 istg these niggas are just bots, no way theyre real human beings
@@theseus74yeah but the story has been going on for like a day and a half or something. What does that have to do with his comment
@CrazyCrewM8bro 💀
As someone that’s quite literally in the industry of Submarines. We don’t use game pad controllers on critical equipment such as a wireless controller controlling the entire sub.
A Controller is fine for periscopes and basic functions, but it is also directly wired. Even our Series X controllers are modified to where you can’t accidentally unplug it during operation.
do you really use game controllers? even for such non vital functions?
@@bozhidardimitrov3573 Why woulnd't you? It does all the same functions and most people already know how to use it.
Motion control? Lol
The other options are just atari joysticks.
@@bozhidardimitrov3573familiar, reliable, market tested, tons of R&D to be as ergonomic and responsive as possible, modular
The game controller was the closest thing to a good idea that sub seemed to have going for it
i feel especially bad for the 19 yr old who died, apparently he was scared to go on it but felt pressured to go with his father since it was father's day weekend :( the other guys were all really stupid but rip to them regardless, it's awful how the ceo made stupid decisions that ended the lives of five people
Ph or nargalet or whatever was his name i heard he was there to save them somehow, i feel bad for ph, the dad, and the 19 year old
While I realize this is a tragedy and I hope the people are rescued, there were so many red flags about this thing that it’s almost digging your own grave at this point.
They didn't dig their own grave. They paid the full price of a small house for their seats in a big metal coffin to then sink down to a 100 year old mass grave in the ocean.
Yeah I could care less about the extremely wealthy
I’ve been waiting for your take on this Charlie your the goat
People just belive that if you pay for stuff, then it's safe and the people doing it are skilled enough
@@DisastrousIntentionallyImagine paying money to commit suicide.
As far as the banging is concerned, when the USS thresher was being searched for, they also heard banging, but it was discovered that was caused by the vessels searching for the thresher instead of the thresher itself. Honestly I think the best case scenario is the sub just imploded and they instantly died
There was also banging heard in the MH370 search. It’s almost definitely an unrelated noise, and not a sign that they’re still alive. I agree tho, immediate implosion is likely the best case scenario here.
Yeah plus they said the banging was at 30 minute intervals which tells me that it probably isn’t the people since if you’re panicking in a situation like that you probably aren’t going to be doing it at intervals.
Considering the shit quality of the sub, that seems the most likely. They would have had better odds going down there in a submarine made out of paper mache.
Undoubtedly the best way this could go, other than if it had somehow miraculously surfaced and we can open the tin can in time. Pretty instantaneous death, you'd pretty much just pop
unfortunately when carbon fiber (its what the sub is made from) breaks it shatters it doesnt collapse likely is that the sub was steadily cracking as it was submerging past its safe depth so who knows what could happen
My 5th grade science teacher knew some people who had worked on the DSV _Alvin_ , one of the submarines used to explore the _Titanic_ wreckage. She brought in some objects while telling us about them. Apparently, crew members would place objects in a sack attached to the outside of the submersible to demonstrate what tremendous ocean pressures at those depths would do. One of the objects was a disposable styrofoam cup; it was permanently crushed down to be smaller than a shot glass, probably not much bigger than the end of my thumb. Another object was a styrofoam (or some other plastic) mannequin head, which was crushed down smaller than my fist (maybe only 2.5" tall) and _crystalized_ , basically turned into glass.
It's fair to say I don't have much confidence that the submarine will be found intact, if it's found at all.
My dad used to send styrofoam objects down on ROVs
That is insane
Can you tell us more about other objects they brought in? And what do you think it would do to a human body?
@@muffinman4544 at a deep enough depth the human body would be crushed.
@@muffinman4544death it would do death to the human body
Best case scenario: There was a crack in the hull, or the window qualified for 1300 meters depth (they are at 4000) burst and the entire vessel imploded in a matter of microseconds killing everyone instantly.
Worst case scenario: They are stuck with no electronics and a depleting supply of oxygen pissing in a rudimentary toilet, losing their minds and attacking each other while submerged in a vessel that you cant even stand straight inside, in complete darkness, alone, with no hope of recovery and knowing that even if they surfaced, they'd suffocate since the hatch cant be opened from the inside. An absolute fucking nightmare.
edit: the sub imploded. At least it went over quickly. RIP
You mean 1300 and 4000 meters. But yes
@@Fiorano_AR my bad. I am european and forgot if the articles talked in meters or feet
Final orgy?
dude, so you mean to tell me that the only way of getting out of that tuna can is blocked from the INSIDE?
My cousin volunteers with our sea-rescue org and he always says the worst thing he's ever been a part of was trying to rescue the crew of a sinking tugboat. The rescuers weren't allowed to attempt to save the crew below deck because the tugboat was sinking very fast and it would endanger the rescuers' lives. But everyone on the rescue vessel could hear the frantic banging and shouting from inside the tugboat as it sank. The skipper was one of the people below deck, trying to save his crew. And his son was there while it happened (he was also a tugboat skipper in the harbour). He heard everything. I think about that story every time I see anything about the Titan. Jesus, those poor people
The most bizarre thing to me is that they are bolted in from the outside. Even if they reach the surface, their access to oxygen won’t change until they’re let out
That's not too bad. They wouldn't have to be let out, just brought to the surface and told to stand back while some burly navy guy takes a jackhammer to the glass. Soon as there's a hole, air will come. Unfortunately, I think that it's most likely that the sub had a sudden, catastrophic failure that killed them all instantly, and even if it didn't, I highly doubt it'll even be found before they're all dead.
@typhoonzebra If they surfaced would they still wouldn't be found instantly. And when we're talking hours of air that makes it more impossible. But yeah my guess is they died instantly awhile ago
@@typhoonzebra feel that glass that can withstand the pressure of like 13,000ft of water, won't be broken with a jackhammer
@@luciferb7060 well apparently, this glass can't withstand that amount of pressure so the jackhammer is in luck. 😅
@@luciferb7060 At that depth, water pressure is about 5,800 pounds per square inch. A jackhammer can exert 7,530.
The irony of this situation is insane, improper safety practices and irresponsibility caused the Titanic to sink, and now the same thing is happening with this sub.
dude. creepy af.
@@deezpistachionuts Hilarious, more like.
And this sub is named the Titan.
@@myKiingBetter luck next time with the Tit
@@will4127 …in what way exactly is that “hilarious?“ FO dude.
3:39 “i think nowhere in the universe is more miserable than inside of a submarine”
you are absolutely right as somebody who enlisted into the United States Navy with a submarine job, I was only three months into deployment and “tapped” out and BSP’d off the boat, i am now being administratively separated because they would rather only treat my mental health if i stayed in subs then if I refused to go back… trust me, it fucking sucks on a different level, it will never be as bad anywhere on the civilian side.
What’s horrible is the hatch is bolted shut and needs someone to unscrew the bolts from the outside, so even if they made it to the surface they’re still relying on the limited oxegen
On the surface, they can at least punch some airholes. It wont explode like it would underwater
@@LordZanas I think the metal would be to thick for that 😭
@@LordZanas With what? Their bare hands?
@@LordZanasimplode actually, which is somehow more unnerving.
@@hughmortyproductions8562The only way it's getting to the surface at this point is with help from someone outside. I'd assume someone from the outside could get it open pretty quick once it surfaced, one way or another.
I am a US Navy Submarine Vet. I was our persicope operator and we got upgraded from a handle with a trigger, similiar to a helicopter controller, to the Xbox controller. WAYYYY easier, i could teach anyone to use that controller. Sad situation. They're like 12k ft deep, aint no one saving them.
You just crushed my worldview, ‘cause i still thought you guys used the thingy falling from the ceiling with the handlebars
Been dead since the weekend. It’s unfortunate.
you know it’s bad when the navy tells you there is no hope… :( thank you for your service
Yikes.. R.I.P.
I mean, if i have to be honest military switching into using gamepads like the ones from xbox or PS feels right. Like - you have an entire generation that grew up with them. Of course it would be easier to teach them how to use it.
Also i think it is funny to think you could be drone striked by someone waving around two Nintendo Joycons lol
it’s so ironic that the “obscenely safe” submarine goes missing while exploring the once “obscenely safe” titanic
It's called the "Titan" no less, no crazier story than reality. Arrogance and reckless hubris captured in a bitter irony
Man every vehicle in this earth had already have accidents idk why people so desperate to find someone to blame lol its an accident.
@@yooonavarro309cause it’s a specific vehicle made to traverse a obscenely dangerous environment, which had glaring flaws that were ignored. Most car accidents occur due to user errors or faulty maintenance or environmental problems, not the CEO making cars out of aluminum or replacing glass with cellophane. There’s a big difference as for who is at fault here, definitely not an accident when the CEO was told the risks but ignored it. This is deadly ignorance and negligence.
@@yooonavarro309 is the company really blameless when they ignored every single safety requirements for a submarine lol
There’s a lesson to be learned from past events, but apparently these people don’t even know the story of the Titanic
When the story first dropped I assumed the “submersible” was some luxury vessel with compartments and state of the art technology. Imagine my surprise when I found it was a frickin’ DIY project from a shady ass company. Three people paid 250k to get crushed to death in a tin can.🤦🏾♂️
5 people
@@thisguynamedbrian five people were on board but only 3 of them were there as guests.
Same. I was speechless when I saw this tiny thing for the first time after hearing about it being missing. How did they expect this to be a successful trip when it was never officially claimed safe… I only feel bad for the 19-year old who was scared of this…
I mean, considering they've been doing this for years just goes to show their submersibles are very well made, despite camping equipment being used.
The company either got over confident with their "obscenely safe" regulations and didn't bother doing mandatory safety checks, or they were trying to prevent spending money on submersibles to be replaced for new ones.
Either way, this was negligence because OceanGate didn't bother keeping their customers safety in mind before saving themselves money.
@@Dondizle I suspect it was a cost saving measure, Carbon fiber isn't a material you want to repeatedly compress, let alone carbon fiber capped with two titanuim shells.
Honestly when I first heard about this I figured they chose carbon fiber and those end plates so they could swap out the core every few trips. But it seems like they just kept stressing the same core.
The irony that the CEO didn't care for safety while going to the TITANIC is amazing
I am sure he is reconsidering his safety standards right now.
@@SaHaRaSquad or that was his plan all along was to murder some rich people... Like the movie The Menu. Great movie.
Well at least he'll go down with his own shitty creation at worst
@@SaHaRaSquad I dont think he has time to ponder that in hell.
The fact that they claimed that the safety was too strict, for something this scary and risky is saddening.
Less sad and more a cautionary tale
They are suffering and dying slowly
@InstagramUser69what tf is wrong with you bro? You know you're getting reported right
No, it's hilarious, they found out that mother nature doesn't give a fuck about their net worth.
Probably taken out of context, I try not read any articles on the day of the incident since every journalist is an expert. I'd like to see this original article or report.
To elaborate a little on the gamepad, IIRC the US navy had several thousand dollar controllers being custom made for periscopes on submarines, and using one involved quite a bit of training. One of the higher ups had the actually brilliant decision to see if they could use something like an x-box controller, no fancy engineering necessary it was already a mass produced product, and most of the people coming in had at least some familiarity with them. It ended up being a huge success, cutting gosts from something like 30k per controller to $20 and it drastically lowered training times. The last time I checked on that story was like 2012, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but it obviously seems that it's spread to being an industry norm.
yeah the problem is that on military ships they're only used for periscopes (cameras) while the idiotic CEO used a controller to PILOT THE SUB!!!
For reasons I cannot understand, apparently a lot of people would feel more comfortable if the sub were controlled by a homebrew joystick the CEO made in his basement. Personally I'd feel safer if I saw it were being controlled by tried, tested, and proven technology like an off-the-shelf gamepad.
(blows up an child in Afghanistan by pressing A)
One of the few times the military willingly avoided wasting money it seems.
@@mrfigaloopierre9610 that kid got owned, he really needs to get gud, what a noob
The US Navy heard sounds consistent with an implosion at the time the submersible lost communication. They weren’t monitoring the submersible but were listening in the area. They even let the Coast Guard know once the submersible was reported missing, 8 hours after the sound was heard. I think the company, navy, and coast guard knew they were gone the entire time. Hence why the company waited 8 hours to report it. They wouldn’t have waited so long if they thought there was a chance to save them. The only reason it was labeled as a missing submersible search was for the sake of the family. They didn’t want to say it imploded until they found evidence. The entire time they were searching for debris not necessarily people. People won’t believe without evidence. James Cameron said as soon as communication and tracking was lost he knew they were gone. He’s friends with a lot of people in this field and sent an email Monday saying they were gone. He explained you don’t lose communication and tracking like that without a catastrophic situation. He’s taken 30 trips to the Titanic so he knew. My only gripe is why they were reporting about the noises. Knowing they had heard the implosion in that area.
They turned this into a 4-5 day story to take the attention away from Biden's son plea deal and IRS whistleblowers. Never let a good tragedy go to waste, says every corrupt bozo in positions of authority.
It needed to stay in the news cycle to distract from Biden bribery
Yet another great example of how the media can twist the truth and fool the masses. Many people guessed an implosion but we all remained hopeful, just because the news told us so.
The reason it took 8 hours to report it was because it wasn’t the first time the sub lost contact for long periods of time. The Navy wasn’t sure the banging noise was an implosion because there are lots of banging noises in the ocean.
I live on the east coast of Canada, my dad works for the coast gaurd and he is on one of the Canadian teams looking for them. He’s been though 30 years of search and rescues and at a certain point you just have a feeling when things aren’t going to go right. We were talking on the phone last night and he’s not optimistic about finding them.
I'm no expert but I have watched a ton of videos about maritime disasters, and I'd be surprised if they found the sub- intact or not- within the next few months. Heck, my gut is saying it'll be another year before it's found. There are plenty of instances of ships sinking and not being found for years despite knowing the almost *exact* coordinates where they sunk. The ocean is unfathomably big.
That makes this whole thing even more infuriating. The jackass CEO not only put the passengers at risk, but also heroes like your father who risk their lives to save others. Here's hoping he continues to return home safely to you. Thankfully the rescuers aren't as braindead as the CEO.
@@daminox exactly. people have no concept of how absolutely massive the ocean is. hell I grew up on an island, have my boating and fishing licence and had no idea until I did an internship with search and rescue Canada in my second year of university, they are quite literally in the middle of nowhere. they most likey will not be found.
@@airraverstaz Unfortunately it is prevalent, from jackasses who get drunk and decide to go out fishing, or get high and get on speedboats or jet skis, or literally, anybody getting on a boat without a lifejacket ( or not knowing how to swim in the ocean for at least a couple of mins to keep yourself afloat) stupid people make dumb decisions around the water all of the time. The only difference here is that it was a very very expensive mistake by someone who should have known better and made a profit from it. It's so unbelievably dumb, reckless, and preventable. ugh.
Source, my dad works at the coast guard
If you've ever looked at the aftermath of what happens when even a minor error happens when people are in the deep depths of the ocean then you understand exactly why the industry is so strict. Cutting corners is something you just don't do.
Spaghetti 🍝
ive seen that mythbusters episode.... meat man got sucked into his helmet like toothpaste
@@Rashed1255Noodles🍜
People said it went too deep, this is not confirmed it's a theory of what it happened, where it dived the seafloor isn't deep enough to crush it, but there is possibility of it drifting away as it was descending and actually going deeper then what was supposed too, if that happened, they're confirmed dead.
@@Cuestrupaster They just found debris in the search area so it looks like it did implode which makes sense to me if they lost contact 1.5 hours in to a 6+ hour descent. Either that or they did drift deeper than normal & eventually got desperate enough to try to break out once they ran out of air which is probably what that banging was they heard the other day.
The fact this could have all been avoided if the CEO followed safety measures is actually sad
Yes but safety measures cost money and this is a billionaire
Also if he had hired the best crew. He passed up on actual unicorns in the submarine business because "50 year old white guys"
Yeah following safety regulations doesn't include diversity hiring. Just saying
@@emiliolachappa2135you act like you can't have diverse hires and safety regulations? Either way doesn't matter because I doubt it was the diversity that killed these guys
? What are you talking about? There is literally no clue whatsoever yet what’s happened to them, what makes you think safety gestures are the one thing that caused this accident? They’re fucking traveling to one of deepest points on earth in a tin can, if everything goes right they could still get stuck under a rock or something and be unable to escape. It’s very likely the thing did not implode because we likely would have been able to detect an explosion under the water. No one knows what happened don’t act like you do.
A reminder that the company behind the sub built the can from off-the-shelf-material, meaning it won't withstand the kind of pressure it had gone under, and fired the whistleblower who sounded alarm about the project. This is a criminal negligence.
man i can’t wait to play subnautica in real life and see a leviathan!
The iceberg was actually a leviathan
They have no more than 60 hours of air and they could be dead already
I'm a 30 year old that loves to play on the playground with small children. I've only been arrested 4 times a beat up once but I don't plan on quitting I should have rights too.
@@DumbNigga9595
96 (or four days’ worth) is what I heard via AP
I recommend stranded deep it's fun although I barely played sub bc idk what I'm suppose to do
You know, The Logi controller was probably the most quality equipment they had on the sub while the rest was the equivalent of finding what they could in the backyard and shed and see if it will work.
To be clear, "off-the-shelf" is an industry term that just means that the tech wasn't custom made. So they could have ordered things from reputable vendors that are mass-produced, without having to make custom modifications.
However, considering the amount of corners that were cut, I agree with you in this specific instance. I wouldn't be surprised if they used just random, cheap crap to cut costs.
that's terrifying
@@tickledtoffee No no, that is the only Good thing about this, at least we know the controller works.
I got that thing. That controller lasts like one to two months of daily use on a pair of double A batteries. The Bluetooth connection could get spotty depending on where the receiver is, but it’s a pretty solid one to use if you want PlayStation layout with Xbox size…
I certainly wouldn't trust a gaming controller for critical propulsion & motion control on a manned marine vehicle. For ROVs, naval drones, videocameras, periscopes, yes. But not to pilot your craft...
I can’t imagine the horrors we’ll see once this thing is found 50 years from now.
Oof
It will never be found and there would never be anything to find if it imploded.
@@araamahasla555maybe scattered debris and bones at the bottom.
@@rottingplushall human remains will be completely decimated due to water pressure
@@rybertrion3642That's definitely the quickest way to go but it's the most brutal 🥶
FYI in engineering we often use the term "off the shelf" parts to mean they aren't custom. Most things are "off the shelf". It's not necessarily a bad thing, and in some cases can be ideal. "Off the shelf" parts may be something that's mass produced by a big company that has a good reputation, in which case it's likely to be better quality than anything custom a small company with very little funding could make. For instance with the controller, it's best to let a company with a long track record of making reliable and accurate input devices do the difficult development work, than to expect a tiny company to develop their own from scratch (however, there's definitely better companies to purchase high quality off-the shelf input devices from). It can also refer to really common components, like screws, which are comercially available in standard sizes and might be silly to design yourself.
Thank you for an interesting short lesson!
Nice lesson
I've seen others say that those 'obscene safety regulations' are written in human blood, and I think that is the most succinct way to state this whole tragedy.
That's a damn good quote
It's literally the Titanic all over again.
You always see stereotypical stupid CEO's like this in Sci-Fi movies. You know they always have some guy in a lab coat running behind them with a clipboard saying "But sir! The data suggests..." then they get fired. But damn to see that shit play out in real life at this scale is surreal.
That's basically what they taught us at Job Corps.
"Every OSHA rule is in place now because -- before that rule was put into place -- somebody was either crippled or killed because that rule was not in place."
Simple way of understanding (and teaching others) safety, regardless of how silly those rules sound to people who've never had to live in a world where those rules weren't around.
True. But he has some point, those "obscene safety regulations" are meant for public and mass transportation, not a niche market for enthusiast.
But of course that doesn't mean he could bypass any reasonable safety measure just for the sake of it...
He's a fool, but at least he put his money (and his life) where his mouth is.
My grandfather was alive when the original titanic sank.
He was a captain in the merchant navy and said that the general consensus among his peers was that it was a ridiculous concept, doomed to failure and financed by hype and very rich passengers.
Listening to Charlie makes me think that his narrative could easily be what the commentary was all those years ago.
The annoying thing is that some people will start calling "curse" or some such nonsense.
It is a curse, it's called hybris in ancient greek.
Ugh, I’ve already seen those lunatics on Facebook. People, it’s not a curse. It’s failing to learn from history. That is very much a personal choice, not some force outside of your control.
A curse, greed is more the curse than the Titanic. Cost-saving measures, not following standard safety percussions (Oceangate didnt even pain the vessel Orange; standard usage if its lost it iis easier to differentiate), etc.
@@devidviezzi9126 you mean hubris?
Well, I guess this people got the full Titanic experience.
I cannot help but feel contempt at the ironic situation of how the attitude which doomed the Titanic 111 years ago, also doomed the passangers of this sub which came to visit it.
The belief that nature should be taken lightly because human ingenuity is flawless is a myth which for our well being should disappear from the minds of future generations.
It appears like the Titanic may have another list of deaths attributed to its name.
Irony is a bitch
BUT TRUMP STILL HAS TIME TO SAVE THE WORLD, JUST GOTTA GET BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND DEFEAT CHINA, ONCE AND FOR ALL
Naw this inventor said stuff like deaths will happen with submarines so why sweat all the safety procedures?
They at least had the most advanced ship in the world with the most safety measures ever constructed with the Titanic.
The Titanic was literally sank on purpose, do some research.
I don't think you can call this submarine a product of human ingenuity lol
Imagine the fraction of the second of the sub imploding, and the people inside had no time to process it, just the walls getting crushed in and the dark ocean depth taking them all.
prior to this, the CEO suffered a lawsuit because he fired someone for saying the sub is not safe, the former employee then sued and the CEO had to pay settlement.
I would like to also mention, one of the men who are on the submarine, his step son is the one posting photos of blink 182 and saying it’s the way his step dad would want to grieve. This same step son, is someone who threatened to shoot up a concert and massacre a bunch of people, cyber stalked and harassed multiple women on twitter, and went to jail for all these reasons. The man is a lunatic. And now he’s just gained Cardi B’s attention and so many people are following him without even realizing he was threatening to commit a massacre. Hopefully you do a second video of this so more people are aware of this. This guy is scary
Prolly because he’s rich
Not surprised, rich people get away with lots of things, funny you mention Cardi B tho cause she one of them lol
@@kbig8725bruh that doesnt matter hes still a lunatic if he was rich or not
Damn, I’m gonna look into this I had no idea.
well atleast one good thing will happen if that submarine runs out of oxygen
The thing that truly fucks with me, as a parent, is the idea of a father having to be there watching their child slowly die a horrible death in a situation that you likely talked them into. I honestly get a sick feeling just thinking about. I get it, they’re billionaires, whatever, but goddamn is that just horrible. Assuming they didn’t implode, which would be the merciful way to go in this situation.
This why mom's have custody of kids. That father is sick in the head.
@@tiffanyh.5788woah buddy where did you get that conclusion from the previous statement
@@tiffanyh.5788 ??
@@tiffanyh.5788stop generalizing
@@tiffanyh.5788it could be a mom that would do this to her child too. Just because its one dad doing it doesnt mean all dads do this
I dont think I could ever go onto a submersible vehicle and think to myself, "You know what this bad boy could use? Less safety"
I will say, it's poetic justice that the CEO was onboard when this happened. Flagrant disregard for safety can only end one way. Whatever happened to the submersible, I find peace in the fact that he was among the passengers. Imagine naming your submersible The Titan and claiming it's indestructible... to visit the wreckage of The Titanic. If this were fiction, the whole thing would've been an over-the-top statement piece.
The real tragedy of this submersible is the fact that in his hubris, the CEO likely brought 4 innocent people to their deaths with him. I feel sympathy for every other passenger besides him.
@@ariesarchdemon Agreed. Despite signing waivers or whatever, I think the concept of actually dying when doing something like this is far too abstract for the average person to truly comprehend. Besides, people are allowed to make mistakes or bad choices - it's just that the cost isn't usually so high, and that's absolutely on the CEO for cutting safety measures.
My personal hope is that the submersible lost contact because it imploded, so they didn't suffer. Going on an exciting journey one second, and gone the next 1/20th of a second.
I don't think the dude could have been bad enough that a death like the one he's staring down is something to be cheered on. Dozens of hours of mental torture, starving, and thirst, as the air gets thinner and thinner, with four other people who he has to keep calm when he's the one at fault for the situation he brought them into.
@@KarazolaX Yeah people being okay with his death are crazy. "Oh no he thinks the safety is so extreme to the point that it's silly, I'M GLAD HE DIED THEN!" Idiots. I work in mining and there are lots of safety things that I think are stupid.
@@KarazolaXI think its more that in situations like this, when someone dies due to a ceo making dumb saftey decisions, the ceo isn't usually among the people to die.
I still think the jokes are not ok
My dad who served in the Navy for several years put the entire thing into the context of a plane. Assuming your plane is 100% air tight, if you lost control, instead of going down you would be going up into space every minute, that's basically what happened to the sub they are essentially lost in an incredibly large search area with no food, water, and limited air.
The fact that any of what that CEO turd did was legal is baffling and really goes to show what you can get away with if you make a waiver long enough.
it was "legal" because it was in international waters, so there is no governing body. Others try and follow regulations regardless of legality, but this turd of a CEO tried to cut corners.
Yeah I’ve heard similar from my submarine buddies
It will go up bcz its airtight?
@@safi6749 no, it's an analogy. The plane going up into space represents what it's like if a submarine sinks to the bottom of a seemingly endless ocean
Well, almost, except it'll hit the bottom eventually and stop moving.
This is why sometimes claustrophobia isn't a completely irrational phobia. It can save you from shit like this.
Yep between shit like this, getting your entire body shoved through a 24 cm hole like the byford dolphin accident and that one dude who died slowly stuck in a cave upside down, you could not pay me any amount to do any of these.
Elevators are about my limit as it is but stuff like this, nah I'm good.
Claustrophobia to a reasonable extent seems completely rational to me. Of course nobody would like to get stuck in a small, enclosed space.
Having a phobia is the definition of being irrational, having fear is good it keeps you safe but having a phobia that sends you into a panic attack will get you killed
I think not having 250,000 to throw away will save most people from doing this
its a primal fear yk
Condolences to all the families. It’s tragic that this submarine was even able to exist.
As someone who has thalassophobia, I cannot imagine how horrific it must be for the people stuck in a metal tube under deep arctic waters, with no way out. It's doubly hard to imagine when you consider it is happening right now as you are watching this video. I feel really bad for the people at the bottom, but very least though, the CEO took him and his irrationality down with the people whose lives he put in danger.
Same here, I have the same fear and submachaniphobia (fear of man made things under water, specifically mechanical stuff for me), just horrifying like you said.
@@pogpogpurinn*sees anchor* AAAAAAAAAHGGGGG
The thing almost certainly caved in and crushed them to death instantly.
Everyone has thalasaphobia nowadays
Imagine the smell of piss and shit in the cabin as well.
I feel bad for the 4 people paying $250,000 just to die a horrifying death, the CEO on the other hand...
Honestly they should have seen this coming like it’s so obviously sketchy. They payed to dig their own graves lol.
Who would have known a dangerous vessel, much like the titanic. Would also have it's own issues, I don't feel bad for people who ignored the red flags to go look at a mass grave which ends up being their own.
@@DanTheMan-gj8dyhow is it funny
@@bucky8207it's kinda funny ngl
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I've seen a submersible expert talk about the construction of the Titan, and he thought the way the carbon fibre hull was bonded to the metal (titanium?) ends was where it might fail.
The Titan had only been down to _Titanic_ twice before. There are only 10 vessels worldwide capable of diving so deep and all are up to industry standards, certified to carry passengers to that depth...all except the Titan.
wait, this thing was called the Titan? In 1898, someone wrote a novella about a ship sinking after hitting an iceberg in a disaster very similar to the actual Titanic disaster. That fictional ship was called the Titan. How did they not know about it?
@@tickledtoffeeRich billionaires will see a book and the moral of the book is to not build the thing. Rich billionaires will build EXACTLY that thing and wonder why it fails and go horribly wrong.
@@Edgee_yyThe Torment Nexus, of the famed book, "Don't Build the Torment Nexus" says hello
If there are only 10 vessels capable of diving that deep.....if they're on the ocean floor, I don't see how, even if they found them....what they could do.
And if it's the middle option, where they're just FLOATING around randomly in the ocean, being pulled along by its current.....they could be anywhere by now.
Well, it’s most likely crushed then
(Not completely, but enough that flooding could’ve kicked in and well,
The Titan sinks due to flooding, the name of a ship in a book with a similar incident to the Titanic
The irony of the situation can be tasted, it’s ridiculous
I feel terrible for that 19 year old boy. The wealthy adults who took on this risk chose it, but that boy essentially paid the ultimate price just for trying to make his dad happy.
I don't
Ph or nargalet or whatever was his name i heard he was there to save them somehow, i feel bad for ph, the dad, and the 19 year old
@@Angel-Azraeltf is wrong with you
@@Angel-Azrael oh look an edgelord
ive been in a submerged military sub multiple times in my life and even an actual up to code submarine with several guest safety precautions taken on a submarine that has been docked for decades is terrifying to be in. why would anyone look at the iron lung and pay 250k for a spot inside willingly
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Paying $250k to just one up the other rich people at your dinner table to say you have visited the titanic below see. Nice
The CEO’s attitude towards safety, is the EXACT reason why there is so many rules in aviation.
Speaking from experience as a commercial pilot, 50% our training is memorizing regulations, 40% is learning emergency procedures, and 10% is learning to fly the plane. It's crazy to me that training like this doesn't apply to submersibles.
It’s also the exact reason why we all loathe CEOs 😂
The banging noises were deff the titan imploding.
The implosion occurred Sunday and would have happened in an instant. The Coast Guard has come out and said the noises heard since then had nothing to do with the sub.
James Cameron, aside from directing The Titanic has been to the Titanic wreckage over 30 times and is a professional deep sea explorer. I think he would have been a better guide to explore this than that CEO. But it's too late now, I hope their souls find peace. Though, I know Netflix is gonna have a field day with this one.
It’s krazy that they didn’t have a bigass sub with James Cameron himself behind it for fucking 250k is insane. I can understand (no I cant) if it was like 25k MAYBE but 250k to go down in a metal tic tac is krazy I hope they find their bodies sometime this century or before I die 🙏🏿
James Cameron, the greatest pioneer
No valley too deep no mountain to steep 🎵
@@princejaxisblack8789 Omg, it seems they found pieces of the Titan. The Coast Guards actually found pieces. So there's definitely no hope that they're alive. And unfortunately they may have been finished off by sea life. Praying for the families. I heard the son was terrified of going, but he only went because his father was excited about it.
Don't forget the Simpsons 2006 Exploration the titanic episode.
That is why nobody is INSPIRED by the trash movie Titanic, and also the movie is too white, where is my trans metro sexual half Asian representation, I want to SEE MYSELF dying in that sinking ship too!
i was on a family trip during this whole thing. Not only did tv in rural north carolina cover it, we just kinda watched it all unfold on tv "18 HOURS REMAINING" and stuff
For people that don’t know, if there is even a drop of water that leaks through the submarine while it is submerged, then the entire structure implodes on itself. The inside of the sub has to hold pressurization. If there is a leak, it basically explodes from the inside.
This is not true.
During ww2, countless u-boats were damaged by depth charges causing massive leaks - only for the submariners to plug them up and manage to surface once more to abandon ship.
For the submarine to implode, the whole structure has to give. You can perform an experiment that will show something similiar. Inflate a balloon, then pierce it with a needle - it will pop. But put some tape on it, then pierce the balloon through the tape, and it won't pop - it'll just start slowly deflating.
The mechanism is the same, just reversed, with the pressure being outside instead of inside.
@@karazanicdifferent depths differents amounts of pressure
@@karazanic uboats did not go down to the depth of the titanic trust me, they usually travelled just below 150 feet which the water pressure there is a little different from 12500 just saying only like 100x and with exponential increase yeah no one hole and that thing is turning into a crushed can
Implosion
It could leak without implosion. If implosion occurs it would likely be picked up on the hydrophones. It's a pretty identifiable signature, but that's only if anything nearby was listening when it happened.
An implosion would've been the ideal way to go. Quick and painless. The fact that they heard some sort of manual pinging measure (knocks against the hull of the vessel) means there's a chance they're still alive. To know you're going to die from lack of oxygen inside pitch black darkness must be beyond some sort of existential terror. There's no way they can feasibly rescue the crew within 20 hours, or however long from this point.
Im pretty sure the banging they heard was the people beating up the CEO. Things probably got heated.
@@Maxx-kq5qh legit they could beat him up and gain a few hours of oxygen
think It would take them 10 to safely bring them up
@@riccardocastiglioni5131 rotting corpse would start to kill them lol
@@riccardocastiglioni5131 They'd probably waste just as much oxygen fighting
Imagine getting on a sub with several safety violations to see a ship that sunk in a disaster due to several safety violations.
It’s too ironic
And now your negligence has also killed people
Not to be that person, but the Titanic didn’t sink because it violated safety regulations, it sank because safety regulations were so lax. After the sinking regulations were completely overhauled and were wayy more strict to ensure that a disaster like the Titanic would never happen again.
@squishy3248 There were a couple broken rules, I heard, that could've prevented it. One was not giving the look-outs some binoculars, and I believe that the ship also was going faster than was permitted.
But, fair observation, nonetheless.
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8:45 that window is most likely the point that gave way first when it imploded
This situation proves 100% that the growing submersible tours business SHOULD be obscenely safe and heavily regulated.
Not until the cost of ticket drops below $5k. More dead rich people, please.
And it should be preformed by actual professionals not some rich guy who built the submarine in his garage
If it’s for-profit, it wont.
It should be one of the most difficult things in the world to get up and running. At least that way once it is, people aren't sent to the depths of the ocean in their underwater coffin. There's a reason why people train for many years to be a submariner, having money isn't a way around all that training and understanding and it's disgusting that nothing was done prior to this. Something utterly terrible always has to happen before the obvious regulations are ever put into place. It's never a matter of if, always when, why haven't people taken this to heart yet?
Look at huge theme parks, they are regulated up the wazoo and accidents are rare. When there is an accident there is a huge and immediate investigation.
Something crazy to point out is that they don’t even have an emergency beacon on the sub. So If they get into trouble so it’s borderline impossible to know where they are.
every submarine should have one tbh
subs are just too dangerous to not have one also you might as well get one if you can afford a submarine in the first place
They’re 10 thousand feet underwater, all of them crushed almost to atom inside the crushed vessel. The shot out remains are currently being eaten by fish
@@Us3r739They get more food with the refugee vessels
@@Us3r739 That’s just almost objectively false. The vessel has visited the Titanic already.
@@tfan2222 it’s never been comprised like right now.
This isn't even the first time OceanGate's _Titan_ has had problems during an excursion to the _Titanic_ wreckage. Arthur Loibl was on a 2021 excursion, which he later called a "suicide mission", saying he's lucky to be alive. OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush and "Titanic expert" Paul-Henri Nargeolet were aboard for the 2021 excursion.
Rush and Nargeolet are two of the five people aboard the _Titan_ now that it's missing, alongside father and son Shahzada and Suleman Dawood, and Hamish Harding.
Back in 2018, an employee criticized safety issues in the vessel's design and was swiftly fired.
Stockton Rush is getting what he asked for and what he deserves - but it's revolting that these miserable shitbags always take other people down with them.
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*Edit*
Like many others, I've been calling the _Titan_ a submarine. This is technically incorrect. A submarine is an independent vehicle, while the _Titan_ is a submersible, a sort of "sea shuttle" that requires support from another vessel or structure.
The _Titan_ is part of OceanGate's Cyclops class. Cyclops use a "launch and recovery platform" that is about the size of a yacht. The platform has air tanks on it that can be flooded with water to drop it below the water surface, at which point a Cyclops can dock / undock on top of it and the platform can rise back up.
Cyclops are supposed to have an innovative "real-time health monitoring" system that alerts the pilot to imminent hull damage so that the submersible can ascend before serious damage occurs (kind of like the warnings when passing crush depth in Subnautica.)
According to the replies, the safety issues noted in 2018 include:
- Useless alarms, because they go off pretty much simultaneously with the hull breaching
- Viewports that haven't been certified for anywhere near 4000 meters
- Reliance on carbon fiber, which is _also_ not strong enough for 4000 meters
if the CEO thought that it wasnt safe, he wouldnt be down there himself.
@yep6026 many a moron has thought something incredibly dangerous was fine to do. Some just don't give a shot about their own or others safety.
@@gasad01374unfortunately unchecked narcissism and egomania causes people to very unsafe things because they think there invincible
@@gasad01374emphasis on thought
To be specific about the employees complaint. Alarm would only go off milliseconds before implosion, view port(windows) only rated 4.2k feet when they're going 13k feet, the outside is made of carbon fiber which gets very brittle over time and will implode sooner or later.
They're f***ken dead, bruh. The banging was the thing blowing up.
Thoughts and prayers to all those that died in the submarine.It’s a tragedy and could have been avoided completely.
Another thing i heard was that he didn’t want any “50 year old white guys” on the team designing the sub because they were “not inspirational” and the one older more experienced dude he did hire told him it was a death trap which led to the dude being fired, later he sued for wrongful termination and it got settled out of court
"not inspirational" sounds like business speak for not willing to cut corners
Settle “out” of court? Like they fought?
@masonsena999 means they paid and threatened him to not go to court
I saw a great interview yesterday where a submersible expert said that "boring guys" like him focus on the less "inspirational" aspects to keep people alive down there. Any mistake or oversight can be fatal.
Honestly, if the technical challenge of diving 2 miles underwater to then explore uncharted places isn't inspirational enough already, then maybe engineering and exploration isn't for you?
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Great to know that decades later the Titanic can STILL take lives
The titanic isnt taking loves the ocean is
wasnt the Titanic it was the wanker Stockton Rush
It's a good joke, a great joke even--
Yeah, you'd think that ship has sailed...
@@Eyezick-l5zIt can't sink any lower than that
Actually no, controllers used in the military are wired, the controller they were using were wireless, which might not seem like a big deal, but does actually lead to complications.
The people using the controllers also aren't sat in the drone flying through the air.
@MilliardoMK True, but to be fair at that point the latency is more controlled based on satellite and radio waves using millions of dollars of tech to send that signal. Not relying on the 30 dollar controller to send a bluetooth signal which is less calculated and more prone to malfunction with wireless connections.
@@MilliardoMK That seems to support my point that they should be using a wired controller, not something that relies on blue tooth and double AA batteries when there is physically no way replace it while you are bolted inside a carbon fiber tube 13,000 feet underwater.
There are bigger issues though, and the controller failing wouldn’t have led to the loss of contact.
I'd feel more safe if my sub pilot was using a shitty Logitech controller rather than one of those Bluetooth ps5 controllerw
@@TheMediatorOfChaos I agree, Patches. There are bigger issues... like those rotten clerics! They're worse than maggots!
Here's what we know:
The vessel imploded, they died instantly without pain.
Knocking is unrelated.
It’s hard to recall a time where history has repeated itself in such direct and ironic fashion.
Titanic part ll: Power of the Ego
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Im a marine electrical controls engineer, and using a gaming controller is no big deal. These are well engineered devices, and have simple functionality. Basically potentiometers and metal contact, no need for industrial hardening. They are fairly reliable, and can be easily replaced if they fail. The sub did not get lost because of its controller. More likely a poorly designed instrument IO or power supply system if it had to do with electronics. It likely had a single point failure in its power supplies, and probably no backup UPS.
The only dodgy thing about the controller is that it appears to be wireless which is just mind-blowing, consciously adding another point of failure like that.
Seems like they did not have redundant systems for anything. If one propeller goes , that’s it.
@@TripleDDDD Even with a single prop failure they should have had an emergency ballast system to surface. I'm wondering if they had a massive power failure of some kind, and had an electrically actuated ballast system that wasn't fail safe, and with no mechanical backup. Incredibly bad design of course, but that would explain a way for them to get completely lost.
I don't think there's anything wrong with using gaming controllers to control, like, sub or other vehicle. But that thing looks like wireless Logitech F710 and that crap as great at holding signal connection as spirit box used as a radio
@@lawreskya in the Sunday morning interview he said it’s a blue tooth controller
I couldn’t imagine spending $250,000 just to see the sunken Titanic. I really feel bad for the people stuck underwater, but this purchase was insane.
i see some people trying to blame the people that bought it, like yeah its not really the smartest purchase but its not their fault
Seriously, like what is the actual point? I feel like you'd barely see anything with that tiny window and I'd be surprised if that sub has adequate lighting for how deep they'll be
@@ebenezer-scrooge It is their fault. It's their money and decision. Takes 2 to complete a transaction.
@@ebenezer-scroogebunch of rich dickheads experiencing karma is what it sounds like. If they were smart enough to spend their money on something worthwhile they wouldn’t be in that situation. Its their fault and only their fault lmao.
@@HowdyOaks bragging rights. the same reason why people end up as landmarks on mount everest.
So the ocean has not only claimed the unsinkable ship, but also the obscenely safe sub. People really gotta start being more humble when they name these things, because she apparently loves a challenge.
I worked in a biophysics lab for a while and used our really powerful microscope to image DNA. I used a totally normal out of the box 360 controller to control it. It was honestly REALLY intuitive.
Yeah but the sub is using a piece of crap 2010 Logitech controller that (like Xbox) uses disposable batteries.
Bro didn’t even get a real controller let alone a wired one🤦🏽♂️
Yes but if it malfunctioned you didn't die, you just didn't get to look at DNA which I don't think is fatal.
@@simonh6371Dude. These type of controllers have been standard for a long fucking time because everyone and their mother knows how they work.
@@tfan2222 didn’t work now tho especially in that janky repeatedly unapproved sub and even then would you trust an sub piloted by a fucking controller bro be honest with yourself man😂
I remember when the Hunley was found and it was in a huge tank for visitors to see. Looking at that thing sitting in the water, knowing people died inside it, is still one of the most haunting things I’ve ever seen.
Now try looking at a hospital 😳
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The mothership lost signal of the sub 1hr 45mins into a 2 hr dive to the Titanic. It takes about 2 hrs to dive to the Titanic and 2 hrs to head back to the surface. Out of the planned 8 hr dive they would would have been down by the Titanic for 4 hrs. The sub was pretty much almost at the Titanic when the mothership lost the signal to the sub. Pretty high probability the sub is sitting somewhere on the ocean floor if it didn’t already implode.
Sadly it is the most likely scenario.
It most likley imploded as the glas was not made for the depth. it was made for depths of 1300 meters, the titanic is on 4000 meters.
@@Kratatchthere is no glass, they are literally iron lung(tm)ing that shit
@@deadhookerproductions1068 Dude, the video literally shows that the sub has a porthole with glass.
@@combastion5227 oh shit oops
james cameron making a movie about the titan would be crazy
they've been down there for 4 days now, in a 22 foot long tube, cramped , with only a urinnal and no heat. and stuck with the CEO probably constantly saying its ok and the rescue team will be here any minute. an actual nightmare
there's no way they are alive
imagine being a space you cant even stand up in with the narcissistic maniac that convinced you it's safe. Im pretty sure they're eating each other alive down there. Not in a literal sense, but Im pretty sure the hopelessness of the situation could lead to violence. Not like any of that matters anymore. The ocean is uncaring.
Best case scenario at this point would be if the sub had a structural failure and the pressure killed them. as gruesome as that is, it’d be a lot more quick and painless than suffocating at the bottom of the ocean for a few days while fully aware of your situation.
There’s no way they make it out of this alive. I feel sorry for their families.
The craziest thing is how the hatch is sealed from the outside with NO escape hatch. That means even if they are on the surface they still can't exit or even open it to replenish their air supply.
Bet that CEO is regretting having no real safety features now
oh my god SEALED FROM THE OUTSIDE IN A SUBMARINE DEATHTRAP i wonder what that reminds me of
Suddenly regulations are his biggest regret
@CrazyGuy66 it wouldn't help regardless, if they're underwater it would mean a danger as the door could reopen, and if they're above water, the oceans waves would fill up the pod very quickly, starving that oxygen, and making the pod heavier, which means it would sink uncontrollably.
@@sirironsights2456 I'd rather take my chances with the ocean than asphyxiate or burn to death while surfaced. It's like THE lesson from Apollo-1.
@@ARCHIVED9610 This submarine is literally the iron lung in so many ways, it's a very faithful recreation albeit they went too far imo
One thing that is overlooked a lot is that the window was only made to go to depths of 1,300 meters and they went down to 4,000 meters. My money is on it imploding instantly which is probably a better way to go but here's hoping it's on the surface somewhere.
Also as to the banging I read that people who were looking for the MH370 flight heard banging constantly at random areas. The particular rescuer said it's such a pain because it makes you very hopeful but a loud banging sound in the ocean can be a whole variety of things and doesn't necessarily point to something caused by humans.
Cant know for sure,it is guaranteed to whitstand 1500,but maybe it could whitstand more than that
The window thing has been confirmed? That seems a bit ridiculous to me that they would take that risk.
@@kevinfromsales6842 Consider this was done by the same team that decided on a decade old wireless game controller as the primary operator interface, and to make the only egress point held on by 17 bolts with no way to rapidly escape. This thing would be a deathtrap in a swimming pool.
@@treelineresearch3387 It does seem like they just wanted to get to the titanic on a strict budget. A carbon fiber tube with a bunch of metal scaffolding to weigh it down doesn't invoke much confidence.
@@treelineresearch3387 Man didn't watch the video
this situation is still so incomprehensively stupid and avoidable. been almost a year since this all went down, I hope the family is doing better.