@@creasedhorizon8931 They were probably sure it was perfectly safe since the man behind the whole thing was going in with them. Too bad they didn't know that the man was an idiot.
@@docbrown2045This is what a lot of people are missing when they blame the people for boarding the ship. They probably assumed something like this _had_ to be regulated, as well.
The 19 year old is the saddest part of this whole story. The other 4 were grown men with a history of exploring, fully aware of the risks posed. The kid was dragged along with his dad and went to please him, his aunt today said of how terrified he was. 😢
I don't understand why the dad would pressure his son to come along. Even if the son hadn't been afraid, they were facing almost certain death if anything went wrong. I don't think I'll ever want to have kids, but even I couldn't imagine putting my kid at risk like that when they're only 19 and have so much more life to live. There were so many other things they could have done together for Father's Day...
Situation is also kinda ironic when you think about it too. The captain’s ignorance of “god not being able to sink” the titanic is parallel to that of the CEO who cut corners thinking he was safe exploring the demise of the captain’s hubris 110 years ago.
An insane thing most people don't know is that the reason he was communicating with the crew via text messaging (even though they lost connection every single time they did these trips) Is because he made them disable the system in place to be contacted every 15 minutes and keep communication open, because the beeping annoyed him and he didn't want to listen to it the entire ride.
Josh Gates, an archaeologist on the Discovery Channel, apparently went on one of Titan’s first test dives because he wanted to film an episode about the Titanic. He refused to go through with it because of safety concerns. This is a guy who repelled down a muddy cliff side that was literally falling apart as he went because he wanted to find mammoth DNA.
Damn never knew that. Big fan of Josh Gates shows and some of the places he goes and stuff he does is wild so if he passed that says a lot to me. On similar note I remember Jeremy Wade went down two or three thousand feet in a small submersible to get a look at a gillshark and he looked like he was bricking it the entire time and seemed well aware of the risks, and I wondered how crazy you have to be to voluntarily do something like that. Yet that's not even a quarter (excuse me if my maths is terrible) as deep as the submersible going to look at the Titanic was going.
The CEO said that the submersible industry was "obscenly safe and hadn't had an accident in 35 years." Well, if his mission was to break that record through negligence and hubris, he surely succeeded. It's almost like the industry has standards for a reason. And that's what kept it safe for decades on end.
it's horrible, but I do take solace in that 1) he died bonding with his dad, and 2) it was instantaneous. It was very unfortunate, but one of the better ways to go. Now his mom, otoh....
@@AP-eq6fv yeah I feel like this is an overlooked thing. Sure it is absolutely terrible but atleast they felt 0 pain. It would've been 100 times worse if they panicked for days and ran out of oxygen
There is actually one weird that was somehow sparked by this. The creator of Iron Lung came out and said that sales for his game spiked as the tragedy was unfolding, even going so far as to say: "It feels so wrong." If that doesn't feel morbid, the reviews on Steam certainly are.
But the difference is that the Iron Lung Submarine lasted longer and well built when all it requires is one man to fix stuff and resist hits from a Subnautica Leviathan before going down.
The saddest part is the kid who was on board - apparently he didn’t want to go and was terrified of the whole expedition but felt pressured to go because he wanted to please his dad. Absolutely devastating that he ended up dying, exactly what he feared was going to happen.
@@kewltricks. But it’s true… the dude was just 19 and was there with his dad. He apparently didn’t want to go but his dad really wanted him to… Charlie even mentions it at the end.
Literally everyone warned the CEO that this was doomed to fail. The CEO claimed people were "stifling innovation". Seems all too common that a CEO leads a sinking ship. RIP to the 19-year old who was brave enough to go into the depths just because it was father's day. Truly a legend.
The dude even called his sub the "titan" which is obviously a play on words with the TITANic. Really shows how cocky he was. Edit: and he did all the same claims as people did with the titanic before it set off. Truly ironic. Almost makes me believe that he did it on purpose and this was all planned.
If I'm not mistaken the CEO had said he'd want to be remembered by the rules he breaks as in being an underdog innovator. There's something so horribly poetic about that.
By the way, for anyone wondering, a waiver of one's right to sue for death or injury does not apply in cases of gross or criminal negligence, which this certainly meets the bar for, given their flagrant disregard for safety regulations. OceanGate should be sued into oblivion.
The carbon fiber wasn’t the problem inherently. It was just so thin for the depth they went to they basically had no chance. 4 inches thick is nothing at that depth pretty much regardless of the material. It was supposed to be twice that thick, which would’ve made it several times stronger, causing the window to be the problem (and they would’ve died anyway).
@@samuelwhitaker5503 Carbon fibre is extremily briddle and prone to material exhaustion. Its definetly a big problem to use for a sub. Its just not smart.
@@cooltwittertagit being brittle or not isnt the problem. Maybe some genuinely innovative engineering couldve made it work in the long run. That cheapskate just had to use carbonfibre that NASA and whatnot all considered to be trash
Another thing Charlie didn't mention: The CEO admitted in 2021 that the sub was made using carbon fiber instead of solid metal as it should have been. Not only that, he got the carbon fiber at a discount becuase it was past its rated shelf life. He made that damn thing out of *expired* carbon fiber.
And carbon fiber doesn't even do well under crushing loads, it's mainly it's tensile strength that makes it useful. The only thing pushing against that water pressure was the resin the fiber cured in
@@michael_zaki6903 kevlar expires. carbon fiber for rovs is cheap because it is meant to be disposable. you use the rov, then take out the components and toss the carbon fiber, put in a new one
He is a legend in all his fields. A lot of Brits like him because he uncovered a lot about the Titanic. Which gave some closure to relatives of the victims who live in both the US and UK and on top of that he is an excellent film director but we all know this lol.
Stockton Rush caused his own demise. It’s sad he lost his life but I was mainly sorry for the four other passengers he took with him, who paid him $250k a piece for deep sea exploration only to have their safety disregarded and their lives lost as well, all because they were so convinced this man knew what he was talking about. Yes, I know they signed the waivers and everything - but Stockton Rush must have been extremely convincing for his passengers to get inside that thing.
In all fairness, if you have to sign a paper saying "this thing hasn't been certified and you might die" and still decide to let this tin can sink you 4k meters beneath the ocean, you're so stupid you shouldn't reproduce anymore. It was clear to anyone that this wasn't safe, they literally had to agree to the knowledge that it wasn't safe. Like I'm sorry for the families of these imbeciles but if anything proves that money can't buy intelligence, it's this. They were idiots and they paid the price.
At this point im suspecting that it could have been a murder-suicide. Only due to the fact that he KNEW how unstable it was and he probably only charged so much per seat so that his kids could have something left once he was gone
At that point the waiver should be voided, they completely disregarded all safety requirements and said the sun was completely safe, no judge with an above 70 IQ would side with the fucking waiver
Apparently there was another passenger whod already purchased a ticket,but after emailing the CEO with a couple concerns, he wasnt happy with the answers he got so he emailed back to say he was withdrawing from the trip. Imagine being that dude the day after the sub launched and throughout this. THAT is why you always follow your gut instinct, it basically never lets you down.
True but I always have guts feeling about me dying on a plane and luckily that haven't happened yet. And I kinda have to travel by plane to get back home
Gut feelings aren't reliable. You are better off using logical reasoning. The passengers probably thought they were going to survive based on a gut feeling. They trusted their gut and look where that took them! They died! My argument as to why they used a gut feeling to go ahead with the trip is that they obviously did not use their logical reasoning to analyse the background of the company, the background of the CEO, current or past lawsuits. They would have quickly figured out it was a really bad idea.
My grandma came back home at 2:30 pm and not 2 pm so i followed my gut instinct and tackled her, breaking her back in the process knowing it was actually someone impersonating her, gut instinct the goat fr😈😈😈
For those wondering, the pressure from the depth that they were in was so high that it would take approximately 0.15 seconds to go from submersible to disc. The violent collapse happened so fast, they most certainly had no idea and probably didn’t even hear it happen. I guess the silver lining is that they died so fast, they didn’t feel any of it.
Well every submersible has a crush depth including tired as we can but as they were going lower they would heard the hull creaking and bending from the pressure before they ultimately died so I think they definitely knew it was gonna happen but not for long
@@fluxx3671 No, that might be true if it was made out of steel. But this one was reinforced with carbon fiber, which shatters like glass. It goes from completely stable to imploded instantly.
@@fluxx3671except that this didn’t get to its crush depth. It failed at the beginning of the dive. So yeah, they probably didn’t know what hit them. Carbon fiber doesn’t fail like metals. It doesn’t deform, it just snaps when it reaches its limits.
Yeah nah it would have taken them several minutes to die still, just because something crushes doesn't mean it crushes into a flat plane in an instant. What most likely happened was it slowly crushed the people inside, and they most likely got several stab wounds from the hull collapsing in on itself and falling apart on top of drowning on top of that. Turns out drainage pipes spoiler alert: aren't a good fucking submarine. Wow, who would have thought that besides....literally anyone with a functioning brain.
If it consoles anyone, the implosion took place in the span of 30 milliseconds. They were alive one second and no longer were in the next. They felt no pain, and they did not suffocate. It still does not take away from the fact they still died, tragically.
They knew. They had a warning system and would have heard it breaking under the pressure. They tried to drop their weights and ascend before it imploded.
This reminds me of Half-Life. The scientists ignored all the warning signs that things weren't up to code, and yet they went on with the experiment anyway. Next thing you know, all hell figuratively _and_ literally breaks loose. When I first played the game, I thought to myself: "This is ridiculous! As if a modern, high-tech company like that would disregard all safety precautions and endanger the lives of all its employees!" I'd like to congratulate the CEO of OceanGate for proving me wrong.
This might be a bit of a dark take, but as soon as we knew we weren't going to retrieve it in time, this is honestly the best outcome. Seems like the implosion happened shortly after contact was lost and in that case it was near instant for the passengers. It's a tragedy but it's better than slowly suffocating
Not a dark take, a realistic one. So many people are so concerned with prolonging life as much as possible, but don’t consider for a second whether it’s a life worth living.
It's the less horrific outcome because if they were only going to die from lack of oxygen then that is so much time to think about how hopeless it is and could be mentally damaging and such
There is one thing Charlie didn't mention and that is that the CEO Stockton Rush was married to a descendant of Isidor and Ida Strauss aka the wealthy elderly couple who are famous for remaining on the Titanic when it sank. According to survivors, Isidor couldn't get on the lifeboats (some accounts say he could have but chose not to so more children and women could get on) so Ida chose to stay and die with him (she gave her maid her own coat and told her to wear it and board a boat. The maid survived). I'm baffled to why he would want to treat what is basically her ancestors', and also others', gravesite as some attraction to gawk at.
My dad, Dave Corley, a retired nuclear submarine officer who served as a navigator is currently being interviewed by news networks concerning this story, and more particularly on the nature of the implosion itself. I always remember hearing stories about the USS Scorpion and USS Thresher implosions, and upon hearing the initial reports on the discovery of wreckage of the Titan those stories came to mind once more. I will try to briefly summarize the nature of those implosions and the one that occurred for the Titan. A sinking military submarine eventually reaches a depth at which the external sea pressure nears 1,000 pounds per square inch on the outer hull surface. The hull collapses at about 2,000 feet beneath the ocean’s surface. The collapse is catastrophic and extremely quick. The sea pressure pushes the air within the hull towards the innermost part of the hull. The speed of the inwardly-rushing pressure wave is over 1,500 miles per hour - that’s twice the speed of sound. The radius of the hull is only 45-50 feet, so the hull reaches its farthest travel within ten milliseconds - less than one hundredth of a second. That’s much quicker than the blink of an eye. As the air pressure wave moves inward, its pressure rises. And its temperature also rises - to about 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The aerosols within the internal atmosphere of the sub along with cooking fats, diesel and human flesh combust. To put it bluntly it is the most violently sudden way to die, and in those cases as well as OceanGate's these disasters could have been completely preventable had their been more regulatory oversight.
Thank you for explaining some of this for those who may not know. I've seen quite a few people misunderstanding what goes on during an implosion. Kudos to your dad for taking the time to explain these things as well.
That's so terrifying. I knew those videos of train tank containers imploding for "showcase" purposes to demonstrate what an implosion actually looks like, but this description sounds *SO MUCH* worse. Just another reminder that we should stay as far away from the deep ocean as possible.
I started to suspect the sub instantly imploded when the connection was lost because more info on its *horrible* construction came out over time. A lot less terrifying compared to the alternatives. They died faster than the nervous system could even process anything. Its gruesome, but painless
Mark Twain really hit the nail on the head when he said that “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.”
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The mind-numbing part of all this isn't even the sub-phobia, but the despicableness of the now-dead CEO. James Cameron himself has been to the titanic 33 times in a submarine, and himself holds the record for the lowest sub dive, and even HE knew that the passengers were DOA. It's also worthy to note the same company tried getting him on one of those subs and he declined citing safety concerns.
@@MakerInMotion Eh if you search it up plenty of sites says he's been to the Titanic 33 times. Also the OP knows about the Challenger Deep dive because he literally mentions it in his comment.
James Cameron was in an interview along with Dr. Robert Ballard, the man who discovered Titanic and how they heard about the Titan going missing. Bob was at sea when news of the Titan reached him, he called up Jim and both concluded that it fell victim to an implosion, but said nothing about it, hoping that they were wrong, but ultimately they were right. Bob Ballard actually knew Stockton Rush when he met him in his younger years and Stockton told Bob that his dream was to explore the Titanic to which Ballard had said in the interview as ‘A Dream that became a Nightmare.’ Ballard would tell of his experience in submersibles like the Alvin and how he felt safe in that submersible while exploring the wreck of the Olympic-Class Ocean Liner, Titanic. Stockton Rush let his pride and innovative ideas get to him, despite being told that the Titan was not safe and even fired an engineer who spoke out against using the sub.
Director James Cameron was interviewed saying he knew the Titan imploded the second it went missing, but didn’t say anything because he didn’t want to speak on the matter for the sake of the families. He also said he felt bad for the families because he knew every piece of hope was false. Cameron also compare the OceanGate CEO to the Titanic’s original captain who cost people their lives because of his hubris and disregard all warnings.
The 19 year old is the most sympathetic part of this whole saga. No matter what the circumstances, everyone else got a chance to have life experiences except him. RIP, young one.
I feel sorry for the 19 year old who just wanted to bond with his dad and still went into this sub even though he didn’t want to he was scared and anxious but still did it because of the love for his dad and the experience to do this with him.
I feel so bad for all 5 of those guys, they just wanted to have a good time, and the 19 year old just wanted to spend time with his dad, but they died due to Rush's absolutely awful decisions. It honestly makes my blood boil.
The best interview I've seen on this incident was with James Cameron. Cameron said that within 30 minutes of hearing about the incident on Sunday and talking with the people that helped design his submersible that went down to the Titanic & the Challenger Deep, he deduced that the submersible had imploded.
They all knew what had happened but until they found the wreckage they had no proof. They needed to confirm to tell the families first, which is why the week played out as it did. The media speculation was because $$$$ being made (and ignorance). So as soon as wreckage was found, the families told, within minutes the truth was revealed.
It was obvious from the beginning, and I find it rather disturbing the 4th branch mislead so many people about it. Loss of coms Loud bang Poorly designed sub made by someone who complains about safety I find it so ironic that the person who complained about the safety of his product, is the one to pay the ultimate price for that, too. I also detect rather a large amount of karma as well. At least we can be sure that upon an implosion at that depth, they would have died practically instantly. As soon as the sub had a breach, the sudden change in pressure in the air being compressed would heat the air in the sub to potentially 1000's of *c, and within 30ms it would have been all over. I have no doubt that they did not suffer if this was the case. They wouldn't have had a chance to.
This is honestly a best-case scenario of worst-case scenarios. The alternative was that they were somehow stuck at the bottom of the ocean in that extremely cramped vessel with limited supplies and air or worse, somehow neutrally buoyant in an underwater current with all of this happening. This was at least near instantaneous.
The banging sound could have been anything. Rescue boats on the surface, anchors clanging, the titanic wreckage moving with the water, etc. The biggest clue we had that there was an implosion is that not only was communication lost, but tracking as well, and at the same moment. Tracking systems used in subs are autonomous, it's self-contained in its own pressure housing. To lose comms and tracking simultaneously meant undeniably that the sub was gone.
Just adding a bit of clarification to your comment. "the titanic wreckage moving with the water, etc.". Well I recently learned that there is no current that far down. It's just always calm. The O2 is so low that the ship is being eaten by bacteria faster than being decayed by Rust. The more you know!
Exactly, the banging sounds were most likely all of the activity on the surface from everyone. When the submersible lost contact with the ship just over an hour after launch that was mostly likely the exact moment they were all killed . Luckily the pressures down there were over 500 psi so they would have died very swiftly; no pain, no suffering, no thoughts of what was even happening.
Something worth noting is that the son of one of the passengers (who was a passenger himself) didn't want to go on this thing because he feared it was unsafe, but did so anyway to please his parents as the trip was a gift from his now widowed mother for him and his dad. I'd take that as a cautionary tale to just go with your gut.
I know! I hate seeing people online making fun of the people in this situation. Not only is it horrible and no one should have to deal with that (even if they are rich), but there was a teenager on board who like you said didn’t want to do it but did it for his father. I’m sure some people will go “He still shouldn’t have done it he’s so dumb and deserved it.” but it’s normal for kids to go on rollercoasters and shit too when they’re scared and only do it for their family members. It’s normal to do that and the whole situation is heartbreaking.
The instant deaths were best case scenario compared to how much they would have suffered if the situation was as the media reported. Having to slowly wait for death to come while dehydrated, hungry, and surrounded by vomit, urine, and feces is much worse than having death come quickly without you even knowing you’re dead. I just wonder if the CEO had his moment of “huh, maybe this isn’t a good idea”
They almost certainly heard the cracking sound of the Carbon Fiber delaminating shortly before implosion. The emergency weights were dropped according to James Cameron's sources so they were aware of their impending doom.
For those who don’t really understand what implosion at that depth is, they all got squished, boiled and liquified within a tenth of a second, basically instant death
I understand they would get squished because of the pressure. That's high-school physics, but why the heat? I read other remarks abour them boiling and doubted it? Please elaborate. Thanks.
It was really forward thinking of them to call their company OceanGate. Since we always add “gate” to big controversies and scandals, they just saved us time and let us know from the get go that they were going to screw up big time.
As far as the "weirdness" goes, there are some explanations for it: 1 - The sounds that could have been banging: Sound can refract around in a really complex way in the ocean as it interacts with layers of warmer/colder/saltier water. It can be really hard to pinpoint sound origins as a result. So, even though the noises weren't banging from a submersible, it was plausible at the time that they could have been. We'll probably never know the true origin of the banging noises. 2 - The reporting one is really easy to explain: If you can drag out a story for 5 days to get millions of clicks and views each day, you'll make more money. It wasn't strictly a lie that the crew could have still been alive based on available information, and if you can dramatize it with a doomsday countdown, even better. Is it ethical? Hell no. Just business. Journalistic integrity went out the window ages ago for multi-billion dollar "news" agencies. It's all sensationalism to make money. 3 - Batshit insane billionaires are often excellent, convincing salesmen. Rush said things that were exaggerations at best, like "working with NASA and Boeing engineers" on the design and construction, even though their involvement was minimal or nonexistent. He would also say things like his sub was so advanced that it couldn't be certified because there were no certifications for the crazy awesome technology he used. The sub had made successful dives before, and charismatic people can be careful and subtle in their omission of facts to convince laymen of things they wouldn't rationally believe otherwise. See pretty much any conspiracy theory ever. So yeah, I can see how Rush could con people (and even himself) into getting on his sub.
Agreed. So many OBVIOUS warning signs that were just ignored because money was more important. Money is great don't get me wrong... but no amount of it brings lives back from a bad decision like this
A pro submariner said the reason they don't use the carbon fiber he used, is because it doesn't hold up well to repeated stress. Which makes sense, considering it did a couple successful dives before becoming compromised. He said this is widely known, so he didn't understand why the CEO would use it. The CEO also only paid for a front view port certified at 1300m instead of 4000m (depth of Titanic) because he didn't want to spend the money.
@@pythontf188bruh, that's some misinformation going around the media for some reason. It was a wireless Logitech Xbox controller. Gamepads like this aren't even that uncommon, there are used in some tanks because many soldiers are familiar with the ergonomics and haptics of them. Using one on the submersible, however, seems like literal trolling to me, especially considering it being wireless
Just so people know, even though Charlie probably already covered it: When the pressure gets deep enough, the light goes away. Once you pass that point, you are asking for trouble. Once you get to these depths, the pressure is something even titanium might have trouble with. Nobody was ever going to find them BECAUSE of the pressure. There’s a reason nothing down there has anything solid. Like bones or really any internal structure to speak of. And it’s not the lack of light. It’s the pressure. Anything down there alive is alive because it can survive two miles of 30 degree or less ocean water Idrc who thought they would find something but a three second google search for “ what happens to human bodies at a two mile depth” would’ve told anyone what they were gonna find. It’s the reason the titanic is there, everyone’s belongings but no bodies. Bodies get liquified. They’re not built for that level of fuck me fuck you pressure. They just aren’t. Apologies to anyone who was in the rescue teams or are mourning, but this is the harsh reality. There’s no bodies. Just whatever they had on. No paste. No skin, bone fragments. Nothing. They’ve been liquified through pure force in the form of water. Addendum: As clear cut as it is, I wanted to update this: I saw this somewhere (and this was years ago) and idk where but one estimate was it took somewhere from either 3 months to 6 months or 3-6 weeks for this process to happen. (People write bad “articles” all the time, so it’s not a surprise) This is clearly not the case. The people involved in this sheer negligence were missing after a day. Even after finding shards of the sub, there was nothing left of them. So they don’t even last a week down there, let alone a few days. That’s how high the pressure is.
You seem to think the implosion just destroyed the outside of the submersible. These people were turned to only blood splatter in less than a millisecond. Their clothes are also gone. It wasn’t just the ocean working against them, their cage turned them to dust and incinerated them at the same time. The bodies of the titanic had a totally different fate. The only thing that could remain of this death trap are metal fragments.
What caused the bodies to be liquified was the implosion, and what caused the implosion was the difference in pressure between the inside of the submersible and the outside (the ocean). If a body sank down that deep from the surface it would not get liquified. The actual reason there are no bodies on the Titanic is because they’ve decomposed with time.
Your ability to put something into serious context is amazing. No joking around no messing around when it’s serious and it drives it home even harder knowing you’re usually joking and having fun
Its because the majority of RUclipsrs lack basic common sense and empathy. Everything is an ultimatum on social media, but I’m happy Cr1tikal can be transparent on serious issues and that’s why he has such a strong following. I hope he continues to be consistent, and maybe a House Of Caravan video?
He removed voice comms from the submersible because he tired of being disturbed while taking people down on trips, so he replaced the communicator with text messages and some type of locator. They also lost comms on every dive at some point and they thought it was normal...thus why it took a while for them to call for help.
@GellertEnt maybe cuz rich people are only able to be as rich as they are through exploitation. I don't believe in God but remember it's easier for a camel to get into heaven than people who have unnecessary amounts of wealth.
It's truly tragic not just how this happened, but how fast it all was. They weren't even underwater for an hour before they were crushed to smithereens before they probably knew what was happening. Rest in peace to all who were on board, but especially the teenager who just wanted to be with his dad on Father's Day.
Actually how fast it was, was the best case scenario for this instance. They didn’t suffer or feel any pain they just instantly died. Yes it’s sad they died but at least they didn’t suffocate to death.
It'd be a blessing in disguise if it ended before they realized what was happening. No pain, fear or suffering, I genuinely hope they spent their last moments just enjoying the trip they were taking.
@@brendanmystery yea, like the speed at which it would happen would be faster than neurons can send signals. All things considered, they probably died a more peaceful death than most people will have in their lifetimes
I feel horrible for the kid, especially after finding out he didn't even want to go in the first place. For the others I can't garner much sympathy, they seemed well-aware of the risks and willing to take them.
The best part was that they used laminated carbon fibre for the construction, aka something that fails dramatically, with no warning, with no way to detect without incredibly comprehensive scans for microscopic fault lines, scans that the company refused to perform and fired a employee over when he raised the issue.
I did safety inspections on construction sites for a couple years. There was more than one time that I would find a huge risk, take a picture of it, write a report about it, and they proceed to ignore it. It's documented though. You can ignore safety regulations all you want; you just can't ignore the consequences afterwards
i don’t know if the youtuber i first heard this quote from got it from somewhere else, but one who covered a Lot of horrible accidents once said something like “safety rules and regulations are written with the blood of innocents who needed those rules the most”
As a former submariner. The safety regulations that were in place were already written in blood from incidents like the thresher and scorpion. It's sad that someone would blatantly ignor those and we all had to learn the hard way again why those regulations were put in place.
What regulations? Everyone keeps saying all these safety regulations wer ignored yet have never named anything specific. Nor has anyone named a regulation that if Followed would have prevented this.
@@samscholz5024Based on how people talked I assume he didn't follow quite a lot or most of them in building the sub hence why it was doomed from the get go. There was no magical bandaid they could apply since the thing was just not meant to exist in the first place. It was kinda like building a house with cardboard
@@samscholz5024 I'm not an expert on vehicle safety regulations, but if I hear news about a brand new supercar that turns out to not have seatbelts or airbags, I'm pretty sure that's not legal
The reason they didn't tell people that it was likely an implosion was to keep morale up among potential search/rescue staff. There was a small, but not impossible, chance they were still alive, and if so they needed to keep morale up.
I have friends who are also doing business courses at Strathclyde uni in Glasgow, so I was shocked when I heard a fellow student of theirs, Suleman Dawood, was the the 19-year-old on the submarine. I can't even imagine how his classmates must be feeling right now (and sending condolences to his family, naturally). And the whole thing about him not even wanting to board it is just heartbreaking. This shite should not have ever happened.
Now you mentioned that, the teenager might have as well foreseen what would have come, explaining his fear (though he might also a bit phobic himself, idk). I can't even think of a situation if he were to practically begged his father to not go aboard the questionable sub, but knowing it is his dear father we are talking about, he decided to accompany him through the journey.
@@jaka7418 It wasnt greed. If it was greed he wouldve collected the money and had his employees do the trip whilest he stayed at home bathing in money.. He literally was the pilot on nearly all the trips that sub took and it was all funded out of his own pocket. He was just too passionate about it and didnt have enough money to finance it properly, which led to him cutting corners and the fraud stuff. He paid the price in the end. Also all passengers were aware of the risk. It's not like he lied to them about it being safe etc.. they knew exactly what they were getting themselves into.
@@jaka7418 feel the same but if you rewatch the ceo interviews. You can tell he knew he wasn't coming back. Look at his eyes and hear his words. They are empty. They probably threatened his family's well being if he didn't take that pilot and the billionaire.
I watched Robert Ballard and James Cameron get interviewed about this on yesterday's news. Cameron states it's always a risk going under the ocean. Yet you do EVERYTHING in your power to mitigate that risk as much as possible. This is why professional oceanographers with their trained crews and certified and well-built submersibles and ROV's have not had a single accident diving to the Titanic that resulted in a loss of life.
Genuinely only feel bad for that poor kid, he actually was logical and had every correct reason to not get on that submarine. Wealth does not buy you better brains. Wish his dad understood that
To be fair, to the common "too rich to spend all my cash, so might aswell" type of person the dad seemed to be, the submarine could look somewhat safe, so we'll never know what were the thoughts behind their eyes. Personally i would never hop on ANY kind of sub, because of thalassophobia
@@tjrex9458the dad was a self made, he seemed more like he wanted to buy unique experiences for his family to have. That's what I've planned on doing when I'm a bit more wealthier. Once I start getting my money working more. Anyhow, its the idea that material is cheap, but our lives and experiences aren't. Memories matter more than tat, and thats common with people who make their own wealth.
The equipment used to detect the implosion WAS top secret. The knocking could've been debris falling to the ocean floor or the deteriorating skeleton of the Titanic.
@@denhsokathe knocking never came from the sub. it imploded and they were dead immediately. the news simply sensationalized it and our navy didn't say that they knew soon as it happened that it was implosion because they heard it but the equipment used to hear it is top secret stuff. or they dragged it out to keep people's attention. either way they already admitted they knew it was an implosion when it happened.
Some interesting things The submersible, the Titan, was named after the ship of the same name from the novella Futility, from which the RMS Titanic was also named after. In a similar fashion where Franklin bragged about the RMS Titanic being unsinkable, Oceangate CEO Stockton Rush also bragged about it being "overly safe". Coincidentally, Rush's wife is the great grandchild of Isidor and Ida Straus, the elderly couple that boarded and died on the Titanic in 1912.
Titanic wasn’t named after the fictional Titan. It was actually named after the Greek Titans. Her older sister was named Olympic as a reference to Mt Olympus, it was also the name of an Oceanic Class vessel that was never constructed. Her sister ship, Britannic was meant to be called Gigantic, as the third of the three and the largest of her class but was changed to Britannic instead because the name would have been in bad taste.
Honestly, next to being saved, this was probably the best scenario. Their method of death would have been extremely quick. Better than being stuck underwater for multiple days and suffocating to death. Just goes to show that we should never take safety regulations for granted. They're there for a reason.
There's a common saying that goes "Regulations are written in blood." And it's absurd how often we have to keep re-learning this lesson the hard way. This isn't to say some rules/regulations can't be challenged, but more consideration should be taken if the worst-case scenario can cost someone their limbs and/or life.
carbon fiber has a finite lifespan in ALL applications and a simple scratch in any outer protective coating will allow salt water to start entering the weave.... when it dries salt crystals remain and are now destroying the carbon fibers anytime it goes thru heat/ cold/pressure cycles.. And all this is if there was zero imperfections to begin with. then there is the wtf way they attached the bulkhead to the end of it ...capped off by a window not rated for the pressure you plan to dive to.
It's incredibly sad that no law enforcement stepped in to try and stop the expedition. I hope that the families of the victims get the justice that they deserve. The CEO was clearly a money hungry man, and he deserved what came to him.
The dive took place in international waters for that reason; no laws. I only feel sorry for the 19yr old who didn't want to go, the rest and especially the CEO I don't have much (or any for the latter case) pity for. The risk was blatant and they chose to ignore it.
I feel the worst for the 19 year old. He didn’t even want to go. Had his entire life ahead of him but it was cut short by a bozo that went “regulations schmegulations full send!” Rest in peace. I hope he didn’t suffer when he went.
On one of the previous missions, they got stuck on the sea floor because the engineers installed the thrusters in reverse, and they only just realized it when they were 300 meters from the Titanic. So for many minutes, they were just stranded while the CEO was on the surface telling them what to do over radio. Not to mention, their communication software between the sub and the surface ship looks like an AIM chatroom.
Even before all this happened you wouldn't have been able to PAY me 250k to go in that sub. There's so much readily available info on how bad the sub and the company is that these people must have ignored it or assumed it wouldn't happen to them.
Back in 1898 there was a book called Futility, ( later renamed Wreck of the Titan) which describes a seemingly unsinkable British Ocean Liner called the Titan with massive specs and speed that ultimately sinks in the Atlantic after striking an iceberg. This was published 14 years before the Titanic disaster and the Titanic perished in similar circumstances, same way as the Titan and location. Well, the Ocean gate Sub was called the Titan and now the Wreck of the Titan lies in the area of the wreck of the Titanic.
That 19 year old kid is the only one I feel bad for because he just wanted to make his dad happy. Everyone else tho, especially the CEO, was just plain stupidity. Update: as of June 27, 2023, OceanGate is getting shut down for good. Rest easy, everyone.
As a Navy sailor, I do want to go ahead and say that not even our submarines go that deep, Their carbon fiber submarine stood no chance. And to the people who say "Oh, but it did it before!" .... okay, it didn't the last time
Couple notes I want to say: In rescue situations like this, they were probably working off of the idea that something other than an implosion happened just in case. They wouldn't want to leave a group of people to die a painful death because they made an assumption. With the initial implosion sound and the banging sounds they heard, the problem is that the ocean is a weird place that makes a lot of weird sounds, and they couldn't technically prove that those sounds were the submersible or not. Again, they probably just went with the assumption that they were somehow alive, though I do want to say i think its a bit irresponsible that none of the articles I looked through had a disclaimer about how the sounds could be unrelated. I'm just hoping that they told the families the most likely outcome beforehand, or gave them a good idea on how they most likely are already dead. I couldn't imagine how hard it would be if they spent this week praying for them to return only to learn that the entire search ended up being pointless. The biggest tragedy is the poor kid, he definitely should not have been there. And fuck that CEO, safety regulations exist for a good reason.
yup also remember Oceangate didn't report the loss of the sub till a while after the implosion sound happened. So the Navy heard the implosion and wouldn't know right away that was it because they didn't know a sub was missing. Also you don't want to say "Yeah we heard an implosions so that sub is gone" if there is a slim chance that it was something else and because you made that announcement the rescue effort doesn't happen while turning out they could have been rescued.
There is a lot of honor at sea and pretty much always there will be a rescue attempt. It's not unusual that people would attempt to save their life because there have been many instances of rescue missions that seem impossible, but they end up saving someone. I remember there was a mission where a ship crashed and people went down like a week later and found a cook alive who was punching sharks.
One of the few times where Charlie is visibly bothered because of how entirely avoidable the situation was but stupidity prevailed and lives were lost.
The media wouldn’t happen to be blowing this story up on all media outlets to distract the American citizens from the Biden case this week would they? Almost like they know to use an emotional story to manipulate you.
Let's not forget the submersible was controlled remotely from the ship it was launched from, not from inside the sub. Who fucking thinks that's a good idea, ever!?
@@illegalopinions4082 it's not natural selection, it's people who trusted a corporation and that corporation killed them. Natural selection is when something dies because it is unfit for survival. These are people, not animals. They died because of negligence on the corporation's fault. Have some god damn respect for the dead. Pick up a textbook and learn something for once in your life.
I feel so bad for the young man who died onboard. There was every red flag for everyone involved and they all arrogantly ignored them; and perished for it
My heart goes out to the 19 year old. He had more common sense than all these adults. In the end, he mad the ultimate sacrifice for father's day, with his life. The only thing that gives me closure is that the implosion was so instantaneous that they didn't even feel it. The company deserves to be sued. R.I.P to all of them 🕊🙏
Personally, I see an issue with how an experimental craft was allowed to sell tickets to the general public, whether they had people sign waivers of liability or not. It’s one thing to take yourself and some friends down to see the Titanic, but it’s another thing to sell seats to people who may not fully comprehend the risk of the mission or craft.
For anyone wondering the implosion sound was hear by an apparently classified navy underwater listening device which is why the media wasn't immediately told about it. It was only passed to the people who needed to know that information for the search.
@@etdaniels1713 Brutally? It was pretty much instantaneous and painless for the people onboard. Better than slowly running out of oxygen over the course of a few days. They might have had a few moments if the submersible didn't fail instantly. And yeah, some people do deserve it. Namely the CEO who's entirely to blame for this incident. Just sucks that he managed to convince four other people to climb into that death trap with him.
"The titanic sunk over 100 years ago but is still taking lives to this day" Charlie this is 10x better than any news channel stuff I have seen about the titan
Just want to let anyone know who thinks they got "the worst way" to go, implosion at that depth is instantaneous. It literally happens faster than nerve signals in our body can travel to our brain. They were quite literally alive and then dead. They felt no pain when it happened. That was the BEST outcome they could've gotten. They were quite literally atomized. Merciful for the 4 passengers. Too kind to the guy who murdered them.
@@boijames3253 I get that the CEO was negligent and overly confident, but it's not like he was a vile, evil person that tortured people and forced people at gunpoint to go and to die for him. He was dumb and a little arrogant. People wishing "the most horrible death" on people like this, and saying things like "im sad his death wasnt slow", are kinda gross and toxic. They are all still people, rich or stupid or otherwise.
@@theSato He knew though, he made passengers sign a waiver that mentioned the possibility of death and total destruction at least 5 times... fired people who didn't agree with the lack of safety standards... started lawsuits with ex-detractors etc When you're dealing with this, it's not just casual lighthearted negligence, like "oopsie i just made a booboo and used some crap parts!!!!!" This was genuine criminal negligence on his part. you have to understand that he had other peoples lives at stake MULTIPLE times during MULTIPLE expeditions and never once showed true compassion for his part in diving to that depth.
It's insane to me that you can scramble the coast guard and navy for a single small vessel for a multi-day search but you can't get a free ambulance ride to the hospital.
No one deserves to die like that, but I'm struggling to feel sympathy for the CEO. He seemingly had no self-preservation instincts, and inhumanely and somehow unknowingly drove multiple people to their deaths.
Honestly the same is kind of true for the passengers except the 19 year old who only did it for his dad. They should have researched the company and would have known how sketchy it was. They were rich so they could have even hired somebody to research for them and tell them it wasn't safe. There were warnings about that sub, and all of them still chose to go on it. None of them really had self-preservation skills tbh. No way you do something that dangerous without researching about it first. Especially the company that would be taking you. They had to know they were cutting corners when it came to safety.
The CEO felt like a character from the Greek myths where the gods had enough of him and his hubris. The other 4 passengers though, they definitely didnt deserved to die like this.
@@creasedhorizon8931 Maybe they didn't know about all this and just assumed it was as safe as other submersibles and assumed that the company knew what they were doing. I don't care how you try to frame it, that's a dickish thing to say to also say that the other passengers got what was coming to them too. You don't even know these people or what they're lives were like, you just assumed that they were braindead and knew what was going to happen.
@@troin3925 I never said anyone "got what they deserved" nor anything like that first of all. I'm saying it would be considered negligence on their part to not research the company or have somebody do research before doing something so incredibly dangerous. If you were going to go sky diving, the first thing you do is research sky diving instructors and do research on their safety precautions. I'm saying there was no reason for them to go into it not knowing anything, as there was warning being given from many different specialists. If you honestly believe they didn't know about any of those warnings, that would still be negligence for their own safety on their part. That's what I'm saying, not that they deserve it. I'm saying they didn't take proper precautions before going on this incredibly dangerous trip, which is true.
Death was instant, literally faster than the brain can comprehend so it’s the most painless death imaginable. The implosion also causes a heat pocket with the temperature of the sun for a fraction of a second. Hopefully Oceangate gets sued to oblivion for clear and gross negligence.
I knew of the 19 year old who passed on the submarine, he was friends with my friends (he attended university with them in our city). He was said to be extremely humble, he was sweet and no one knew he came from money whatsoever, my heart goes out to him. I think this tragedy has showcased the worst of the internet with just how dark people have went in the name of shock humour. People so easily forget that actual lives were lost, the disconnect is unreal - I hope all of them rest in peace, no matter the reason they were on the sub to begin with or the wealth they had to their name.
Ye that's crazy. Dawg I actually knew the ceo. Yk we hung out and talked about business regularly. Yk he did act stupid time to time but the level of stupidity that went into this expedition was on another level.
In exactly the same manner that psychopathic losers are celebrating their deaths, there are psychopathic losers who are just crying about the 19 year old, and there are psychopathic losers just crying about the pakistani passengers. All of these groups are unambiguously pure evil and all groups are, I repeat myself, psychopaths. Why do you pretend to be better than one another? It's extremely embarrassing.
Yeah my dad was actually friends with the 19 year old’s dad. The dad kept talking about how stoked he was about this trip and how it was going to be such a “rip-rolling good time with my son!”. So messed up, man
At 6:59 the "banging" or as it was reported "noise" could be literally anything underwater. The coast guard even said they dont know what it was. As for the navy knowing about the implosion on sunday, yes they heard it, but at the same time there are tons of loud noises under water caused by things such as tectonic plate shifting or other geologic activity. It was reported right away and went through the proper channels of analysis to where it was finally confirmed to most likely be the implosion. It wasn't like the Navy knew right away and kept it secret from everyone. It takes time to know for certain, getting multiple expert opinions on something before it can be published.
Another loud sound in tbe area, could have been them dropping the weights and that hitting the titanic wreckage or even the whole thing losing power and colliding down onto the titanic. Lots of loud sounds, and they travel very far.
The USN has been using hydrophones since the 50s. I garentee you that sub cavitated, and hearing cavitation followed by a bang and no more cavitation kinda tells you everything
Navy vet: Ocean has a lot of noises in it and it could be anything on its own, confirmation takes time and the SOSUS net has Top Secret stuff in it. So yeah, bit of both.
It is somewhat fitting for such a negligent CEO to go down in his own submersible. I would say that he delivered his own justice, but it's such a tragedy that he took 4 other people with him. They honestly didn't really deserve to die.
"Didn't really deserve to die" makes it sounds like you're on the fence whether or not they deserved to die, or perhaps that you think they somewhat deserved to die. Please fix your wording because they clearly didn't deserve to die.
Its interesting to see that despite us being told when growing up numerous times to learn from history so we dont repeat our mistakes, we still have lots of people who just dont catch the hint.
@@riccardodellorto4267 Yup, I believe the most recent one happened in 2000 but I could be wrong except in that situation they actually listened to the warning signals and emerged quickly and survived.
Too many get the idea of "I won't make the same mistakes/they were stupid I won't be/the technology was shit back then/I'm smarter than that." At the end of the day it's misplaced pride and arrogance. It's always the little things that get you, there's different if not equally big or bigger mistakes you will inevitably make instead.
I wish this argument worked on certain peoples, who are very much alike to the people who helped destroy Greece and Rome. Greece fell to an obsession with sex, and general degeneracy. Rome fell to the oligarchy which was their government (I call it socialism, but naive "true" socialists would disagree). Believe it or not, most of Rome was not wealthy. By the end, people couldn't make enough money to cloth or even feed themselves.
The location device in the sub is kept in a separate chamber with it's own pressure chamber and the fact that the transponder, locarion device and comms went out simultaneously points to the sub being imploded immediately. Thankfully the notion of dying wouldn't have played into their conscience as with an implosion you're dead before any signal could reach the brain about dying.
Unfortunately, they knew something was going wrong and were likely scared just before dying. They had alarms onboard to alert them about deteriorating hull integrity. It was determined that gear had been deployed to resurface when the debris was found.
@@CalculatedTheNumberOfTheBeast ehhh even if the death wasn't instant it would probably be so fast you wouldn't have the time to register that pain. The skull isn't THAT tough
@@CalculatedTheNumberOfTheBeast two hours would probably be enough to reach bottom, so pretty much an instant death, even if not instant, still pretty fast due to all that pressure absolutely destroying human body
I cant help but feel some disappointment in the fact that Rush died without realizing his own hubris. The implosion killed them before they could even register it so Rush never even conceived how badly he messed up. It feels so unjust considering the innocent lives he took with him, the sadness their families have to live with and the others he had already put in danger
Maybe. Unless the sub sank due to a power failure, which would also account for lack of communication while in distress. They would have had a moment to dwell on what is about to happen, as they're sinking and the pressure is increasing.
Perhaps not. No telling for sure but depending on what failed and why, there could have been signs on what was about to happen. Noises, cracks, electrical failures. Who knows.
they released the ballast to drop weight and were trying to go back upwards. the thing also supposedly had sensors. he definitely knew they were fucked, maybe not the others though
Not sure if he mentioned it, but the CEO removed direct communication capabilities from the sub in order to not ruin the experience and also did not include any established professional engineers in the design/building of the sub, since they are too old and wouldn't attract young team members. This guy indeed was on a suicide mission...
He also didn't want "a bunch of white guys" when a bunch of white guys are literally submarine experts. Literally the only people you SHOULD be asking about subs lmfao.
Yes because it is so obviously staged. The old website SCREAMED with absolutely morbidly scary warning signs. No one THAT rich would even dare approach it, unless they can fake their deaths to avoid or profit from some kind of tax scam. Nobody is THIS dumb. Especially not millionaire elites.
There was supposed to be another passenger on board but the guy pulled out at the last second bcos of the safety concerns. That leads me to believe that either all of them were informed of the potential risks and STILL somehow decided to go along w it, or he was THE ONLY ONE OF THEM who decided to do some extra research on the vessel before the voyage. Either case is incredibly bizarre
1) I totally agree. Weird shit was up no matter what the case was 2) This comment deserves better than to be stolen by a bot that got more likes. Glad I found yours
@@policepolicepoliceyou sign that shit when you go to a rock climbing gym, there's still an expectation of fucking safety and properly working technology.
James Cameron’s comments are really interesting in regards to one of the passengers, the French oceanographer. He was basically the world’s leading Titanic expert and had been down there 35 previous times, having lead six expeditions himself. His life was dedicated to it. It’s weird that someone that experienced would set foot on that death trap.
@@johnsonc3879 righ idiots who spend thousands to make the death of 1500 people an attraction, going into a clearly flawed submarine because they think theyre invincible since every one of their problems in their life could be solved by money
“Was it Davey jones at the bottom of the sea floor banging pots and pans together?” It’s these little nuggets of gold that Charlie throws in so dead pan that keep me coming back to these videos
The creator of that sub has now been added to the "list of inventors killed by their own invention". The architect who designed the Titanic is on that list too, as he sailed on the ship that got hit by the 'berg. I can't decide if that's irony or kismet.
One of the men was a researcher name PH Nargeolet, he was a Titanic Expert and deep sea explorer. He had visited the wreck 37 times and knew the ship incredibly well. A wealth of information died with him.
True, though thankfully he's already left quite a legacy. He died a true explorer's death, in a way. Though I wish it was under his own terms instead of a crazed mad man's. I find it bizarre with all his experience that he would put his trust in a charlatan like this.
He was quoted in 2019 as saying whether 11km or 11,000km it didn’t matter if something went wrong because you’d never know it. He knew the risks and accepted that even in that death trap
makes that much more understandable why the father and son felt more comfortable doing it, since y'know they were bringing along this expert who had been down there so many times
James Cameron brought up 2 very good points which is that carbon fiber is really good at being pulled, while it has no strength when being pushed, as they're just strings. Underwater the forces at work pushes in the carbon fiber, so there's really no advantage here. The craft was just being held together by the epoxy used to glue the carbon fiber together. Second is that the hull is made of carbon fiber and the composite glue materials, which means when the hull goes through high compression, one material is going to shrink/compress more than the other, and over dives that will cause fractures. These are very basic material science that the Oceangate team simply omitted.
not the team, the CEO. he fired the engineer who raise concerns and ignore the basic chemistry and physics because according to him it hinders inovation (and money ofc)
The fact that James Cameron who is a movie director who has created movies about Ocean not once, twice but many times (Hell, even Avatar 2 is located in Ocean) know about the safety and protocol of submarine better than dumbass and clueless CEO of that submarine by using a fucking Xbox controller, you know something is wrong!
Too bad corporate crime only gets fines, rarely jail time, never death sentence. Fuck, this country REALLY needs to bring back the death penalty, or at least banish sociopaths to remote islands.
@@RyuuOujiXS Thankfully he died from his own crime. I just really hate he took 4 other lives with him. Especially that kid. He was terrified but felt he had to so his dad would be happy because it was Father's Day.
Safety regulations and building codes have been written in blood. The only ones I feel bad for are the passengers who may not have known all of the dangers of this vessel. The CEO is the only one who should have gone down with the ship.
We got 3 bozos in this reply section apparently. Anyways, it's infuriating that the CEO ignored and pretty much went against safety guidelines for more profit. His stupidity took 4 lives. How absolutely tragic.
James Cameron himself said it before the news was finalized. It was media sensationalism. He was personally irate they were drawing this out, talking about this banging noise like there was some kind of hope. A vessel like that does not simply lose its communication and navigation systems. If it does, it's gone.
The only problem with that claim is that their only navigation was through communication with the surface ship. The Titan didn't have GPS or radar. Apparently it lost contact with the surface ship every time it went down. So it lost communication and navigation, but came back fine all those times.
For the last part about the press making things worse you guys should check out the history of Alfredino Rampi, a kid who fell in a 60 meters deep well, just wide enough for a child to enter and the italian press was hiping this up like it was a sports event as the rescue mission went on. At the end the boy died and every single journalist felt ashamed
They felt as ashamed as vultures after waiting for the animal to die. I doubt they care, they probably said they do but if the same thing happened the next week or so after the same thing would've happened. Maybe I'm just used to American Press though
In his crusade against safety, the CEO has ultimately shown why safety measures should be taken seriously and certified. It's unfortunate that lives had to be taken, but hopefully this can be used as an example to show why safety measures are so important to prevent further tragedies like this. To the passengers onboard the Titan, may you rest in peace.
The problem with that is these safety concerns were raised and the safety requirements are already in placed for most people. The issue is his ignoring of those already in place protocols and certifications. As long as people like him continue to not care about safety, these things will continue to happen regardless.
the fact that the submarine failed EVERY SINGLE SAFTEY TEST and the CEO still decided to take people down there is absolutely outrageous to me
And that the people still got on it too
at the end of the day the money is what droved him to keep going
@@creasedhorizon8931 They were probably sure it was perfectly safe since the man behind the whole thing was going in with them. Too bad they didn't know that the man was an idiot.
@@docbrown2045This is what a lot of people are missing when they blame the people for boarding the ship. They probably assumed something like this _had_ to be regulated, as well.
@@creasedhorizon8931 possible that the CEO lied or oversold his dog shit submersible, if he's that delusional about it
The 19 year old is the saddest part of this whole story.
The other 4 were grown men with a history of exploring, fully aware of the risks posed.
The kid was dragged along with his dad and went to please him, his aunt today said of how terrified he was.
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Yeah, that’s the part that bothers me. Hope his family finds peace
@@GDKF0238if I’m honest it’s the only part i feel sorry about.
@BasedRed-pq1jo and i am better at licking balls than him
I don't understand why the dad would pressure his son to come along. Even if the son hadn't been afraid, they were facing almost certain death if anything went wrong. I don't think I'll ever want to have kids, but even I couldn't imagine putting my kid at risk like that when they're only 19 and have so much more life to live. There were so many other things they could have done together for Father's Day...
TRUMPS SON IS COOLER AND BRAVER
This situation is very unfortunate, but also interesting how the CEO met his fate to his own ignorance.
Situation is also kinda ironic when you think about it too. The captain’s ignorance of “god not being able to sink” the titanic is parallel to that of the CEO who cut corners thinking he was safe exploring the demise of the captain’s hubris 110 years ago.
WHAT CEO, U MEAN PRESIDENT TRUMP?
@BasedRed-pq1jo TRUMPS CONTENT IS BETTER
@realyoz🤓
@@Jobroski47 TRUMP IS BETTER
An insane thing most people don't know is that the reason he was communicating with the crew via text messaging (even though they lost connection every single time they did these trips) Is because he made them disable the system in place to be contacted every 15 minutes and keep communication open, because the beeping annoyed him and he didn't want to listen to it the entire ride.
This really was natural selection
@@zkme2734 Unfortunately
Darwinism was strong, but cruel.
@@simonhailom2477 fr
@@simonhailom2477 He should be chapter 1 in the next Darwin Awards book.
Josh Gates, an archaeologist on the Discovery Channel, apparently went on one of Titan’s first test dives because he wanted to film an episode about the Titanic. He refused to go through with it because of safety concerns.
This is a guy who repelled down a muddy cliff side that was literally falling apart as he went because he wanted to find mammoth DNA.
fucking Josh gates?!??! of all people?!?!?
Literally said the same thing LOL. If even Josh Gates denied passage, it's a big no for me.
Like Steve-O walking in and passing for safety issues. It should count as a dozen red flags
Damn never knew that. Big fan of Josh Gates shows and some of the places he goes and stuff he does is wild so if he passed that says a lot to me.
On similar note I remember Jeremy Wade went down two or three thousand feet in a small submersible to get a look at a gillshark and he looked like he was bricking it the entire time and seemed well aware of the risks, and I wondered how crazy you have to be to voluntarily do something like that. Yet that's not even a quarter (excuse me if my maths is terrible) as deep as the submersible going to look at the Titanic was going.
@@stephengrigg5988lmao actually
The CEO said that the submersible industry was "obscenly safe and hadn't had an accident in 35 years." Well, if his mission was to break that record through negligence and hubris, he surely succeeded. It's almost like the industry has standards for a reason. And that's what kept it safe for decades on end.
The new CEO’s words or the last words Stockton Rush spoke through the comms before the submersible imploded?
See that sentence makes me 100% believe that Stockton Rush really just wanted to kill himself and others. Hope he's having fun in hell.
@@ripsouljax4159 it is what Stockton rush had said in a interview some time ago
Like anti-vaxxers who aren't worried about polio.
Bunch of rich ass people dying, including a member of the WEF.
Nothing of value was lost.
I feel immensely sorry for the 19-year-old. He was terrified but braved it for his dad and ultimately ended up dying with him.
TRUMP SON RISKED HIS LIFE TOO
Was a dumb decision to let rich people decide what to do in your life instead of taking advice from professionals
it's horrible, but I do take solace in that 1) he died bonding with his dad, and 2) it was instantaneous. It was very unfortunate, but one of the better ways to go. Now his mom, otoh....
@@AP-eq6fv yeah I feel like this is an overlooked thing. Sure it is absolutely terrible but atleast they felt 0 pain. It would've been 100 times worse if they panicked for days and ran out of oxygen
@@AP-eq6fvif i was the mom/wife i’d be cursing his name every day.
There is actually one weird that was somehow sparked by this. The creator of Iron Lung came out and said that sales for his game spiked as the tragedy was unfolding, even going so far as to say: "It feels so wrong." If that doesn't feel morbid, the reviews on Steam certainly are.
It's depressing to see such a good game go from "one of the best horror games in recent years" to "the game that predicted the OceanGate tragedy XD."
But the difference is that the Iron Lung Submarine lasted longer and well built when all it requires is one man to fix stuff and resist hits from a Subnautica Leviathan before going down.
I feel this in my core though. I played tf outta Plague, Inc. when 2020 unfolded
@@saysHotdogs plague inc that name is nostalgic, especially the evolved version man.
I guess the incident just kinda incited an interest in deep sea submarine horror games and Iron Lung was one of the only best ones.
The saddest part is the kid who was on board - apparently he didn’t want to go and was terrified of the whole expedition but felt pressured to go because he wanted to please his dad. Absolutely devastating that he ended up dying, exactly what he feared was going to happen.
@@kewltricksthat's thr story going around, so..
@@kewltricks. But it’s true… the dude was just 19 and was there with his dad.
He apparently didn’t want to go but his dad really wanted him to… Charlie even mentions it at the end.
In today's episode of The Pricks of The Internet: @@kewltricks
@@NIN_Mase and by some of the relatives too, so basically that poster saying the family that spoke to him before is lying
@@kewltricks sadly it is true
It's absolutely mind-blowing how this company was able to get away with actively ignoring safety protocols and cutting corners for so long
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They got lucky. Managed to roll a D20 13 times in a row. Then they finally rolled a 1 to 19 for implosion.
Literally everyone warned the CEO that this was doomed to fail. The CEO claimed people were "stifling innovation". Seems all too common that a CEO leads a sinking ship. RIP to the 19-year old who was brave enough to go into the depths just because it was father's day. Truly a legend.
The dude even called his sub the "titan" which is obviously a play on words with the TITANic. Really shows how cocky he was.
Edit: and he did all the same claims as people did with the titanic before it set off. Truly ironic. Almost makes me believe that he did it on purpose and this was all planned.
When people fall up the stairs, you'll have dumbasses in positions they don't belong.
@ThetinyFresh2544and why do you say that?
@@alder6792 Because "rich people bad".
Just losers jealous of other people's success, it's best to ignore them.
@@alder6792 because he's and edgelord looking for attention ignore him
If I'm not mistaken the CEO had said he'd want to be remembered by the rules he breaks as in being an underdog innovator. There's something so horribly poetic about that.
He will remembered as one of the biggest idiots in history
Now he’s gonna be remembered as a red mist
oceanfloor fertilizer
By the way, for anyone wondering, a waiver of one's right to sue for death or injury does not apply in cases of gross or criminal negligence, which this certainly meets the bar for, given their flagrant disregard for safety regulations.
OceanGate should be sued into oblivion.
making a submarine out of carbon fiber should already be a sueable offence, and thats before the rest of the negligence
The carbon fiber wasn’t the problem inherently. It was just so thin for the depth they went to they basically had no chance. 4 inches thick is nothing at that depth pretty much regardless of the material. It was supposed to be twice that thick, which would’ve made it several times stronger, causing the window to be the problem (and they would’ve died anyway).
@@samuelwhitaker5503I think the Trieste has 5 inch thick steel walls though, no? And it went down to Challenger Deep.
@@samuelwhitaker5503 Carbon fibre is extremily briddle and prone to material exhaustion. Its definetly a big problem to use for a sub. Its just not smart.
@@cooltwittertagit being brittle or not isnt the problem. Maybe some genuinely innovative engineering couldve made it work in the long run. That cheapskate just had to use carbonfibre that NASA and whatnot all considered to be trash
Another thing Charlie didn't mention: The CEO admitted in 2021 that the sub was made using carbon fiber instead of solid metal as it should have been. Not only that, he got the carbon fiber at a discount becuase it was past its rated shelf life. He made that damn thing out of *expired* carbon fiber.
Smfh 😢
I didn’t know carbon fiber could expire.
And carbon fiber doesn't even do well under crushing loads, it's mainly it's tensile strength that makes it useful. The only thing pushing against that water pressure was the resin the fiber cured in
And re purposed scaffolding rods...
@@michael_zaki6903 kevlar expires. carbon fiber for rovs is cheap because it is meant to be disposable. you use the rov, then take out the components and toss the carbon fiber, put in a new one
James Cameron safely dived to 36 000 feet. A Legend in this field.
His submersible was like 20 million or something, don't quote me.
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He is a legend in all his fields. A lot of Brits like him because he uncovered a lot about the Titanic. Which gave some closure to relatives of the victims who live in both the US and UK and on top of that he is an excellent film director but we all know this lol.
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Stockton Rush caused his own demise. It’s sad he lost his life but I was mainly sorry for the four other passengers he took with him, who paid him $250k a piece for deep sea exploration only to have their safety disregarded and their lives lost as well, all because they were so convinced this man knew what he was talking about. Yes, I know they signed the waivers and everything - but Stockton Rush must have been extremely convincing for his passengers to get inside that thing.
A little ironic that his last name is Rush, too
In all fairness, if you have to sign a paper saying "this thing hasn't been certified and you might die" and still decide to let this tin can sink you 4k meters beneath the ocean, you're so stupid you shouldn't reproduce anymore. It was clear to anyone that this wasn't safe, they literally had to agree to the knowledge that it wasn't safe. Like I'm sorry for the families of these imbeciles but if anything proves that money can't buy intelligence, it's this. They were idiots and they paid the price.
At this point im suspecting that it could have been a murder-suicide. Only due to the fact that he KNEW how unstable it was and he probably only charged so much per seat so that his kids could have something left once he was gone
@@Vincisomethinghow's that ironic?
At that point the waiver should be voided, they completely disregarded all safety requirements and said the sun was completely safe, no judge with an above 70 IQ would side with the fucking waiver
Apparently there was another passenger whod already purchased a ticket,but after emailing the CEO with a couple concerns, he wasnt happy with the answers he got so he emailed back to say he was withdrawing from the trip. Imagine being that dude the day after the sub launched and throughout this. THAT is why you always follow your gut instinct, it basically never lets you down.
True but I always have guts feeling about me dying on a plane and luckily that haven't happened yet. And I kinda have to travel by plane to get back home
Gut feelings aren't reliable. You are better off using logical reasoning.
The passengers probably thought they were going to survive based on a gut feeling. They trusted their gut and look where that took them! They died!
My argument as to why they used a gut feeling to go ahead with the trip is that they obviously did not use their logical reasoning to analyse the background of the company, the background of the CEO, current or past lawsuits. They would have quickly figured out it was a really bad idea.
My grandma came back home at 2:30 pm and not 2 pm so i followed my gut instinct and tackled her, breaking her back in the process knowing it was actually someone impersonating her, gut instinct the goat fr😈😈😈
@@alelzarterl212wrong. The gut is the second brain
Exactly.
For those wondering, the pressure from the depth that they were in was so high that it would take approximately 0.15 seconds to go from submersible to disc. The violent collapse happened so fast, they most certainly had no idea and probably didn’t even hear it happen. I guess the silver lining is that they died so fast, they didn’t feel any of it.
Well every submersible has a crush depth including tired as we can but as they were going lower they would heard the hull creaking and bending from the pressure before they ultimately died so I think they definitely knew it was gonna happen but not for long
@@fluxx3671 No, that might be true if it was made out of steel. But this one was reinforced with carbon fiber, which shatters like glass. It goes from completely stable to imploded instantly.
@@fluxx3671except that this didn’t get to its crush depth. It failed at the beginning of the dive. So yeah, they probably didn’t know what hit them. Carbon fiber doesn’t fail like metals. It doesn’t deform, it just snaps when it reaches its limits.
Yeah nah it would have taken them several minutes to die still, just because something crushes doesn't mean it crushes into a flat plane in an instant. What most likely happened was it slowly crushed the people inside, and they most likely got several stab wounds from the hull collapsing in on itself and falling apart on top of drowning on top of that. Turns out drainage pipes spoiler alert: aren't a good fucking submarine. Wow, who would have thought that besides....literally anyone with a functioning brain.
Another fun fact is the friction caused underwater was able to generate heat of up to a thousand degrees. Pretty crazy
If it consoles anyone, the implosion took place in the span of 30 milliseconds. They were alive one second and no longer were in the next. They felt no pain, and they did not suffocate. It still does not take away from the fact they still died, tragically.
They knew. They had a warning system and would have heard it breaking under the pressure. They tried to drop their weights and ascend before it imploded.
@realyozget outta here im reporting you to yt,go make actually good content to grt subs goddamit I saw you on 6 other reply sections of this video
Yeah it’s very likely most of crew knew what was about to happen..
@@Luminousreign can you send me a link about that?
That sucks
This reminds me of Half-Life. The scientists ignored all the warning signs that things weren't up to code, and yet they went on with the experiment anyway. Next thing you know, all hell figuratively _and_ literally breaks loose. When I first played the game, I thought to myself: "This is ridiculous! As if a modern, high-tech company like that would disregard all safety precautions and endanger the lives of all its employees!" I'd like to congratulate the CEO of OceanGate for proving me wrong.
Safety is nothing to big corporations if it means money.
Hopefully this doesn't cause an intergalactic space alien invasion now.
He's dead, but I'm sure he understands the sentiment.
Real life just like bideo game
_"Stockton doesn't need to hear all this, he's a highly trained professional. We've assured the investors that nothing will go wrong."_
This might be a bit of a dark take, but as soon as we knew we weren't going to retrieve it in time, this is honestly the best outcome. Seems like the implosion happened shortly after contact was lost and in that case it was near instant for the passengers. It's a tragedy but it's better than slowly suffocating
Not a dark take, a realistic one. So many people are so concerned with prolonging life as much as possible, but don’t consider for a second whether it’s a life worth living.
It's the less horrific outcome because if they were only going to die from lack of oxygen then that is so much time to think about how hopeless it is and could be mentally damaging and such
I’ve not seen anyone with the opposite take
Yeah much better than them suffocating or slowly losing their hope swimming up and drowning
I'm glad it was quick vs prolonged death but I would have preferred they survived but if death was assured I'm glad it was instant
There is one thing Charlie didn't mention and that is that the CEO Stockton Rush was married to a descendant of Isidor and Ida Strauss aka the wealthy elderly couple who are famous for remaining on the Titanic when it sank. According to survivors, Isidor couldn't get on the lifeboats (some accounts say he could have but chose not to so more children and women could get on) so Ida chose to stay and die with him (she gave her maid her own coat and told her to wear it and board a boat. The maid survived). I'm baffled to why he would want to treat what is basically her ancestors', and also others', gravesite as some attraction to gawk at.
Money. Clout. Unfortunately, not everyone has respect for their fellow humans.
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My dad, Dave Corley, a retired nuclear submarine officer who served as a navigator is currently being interviewed by news networks concerning this story, and more particularly on the nature of the implosion itself.
I always remember hearing stories about the USS Scorpion and USS Thresher implosions, and upon hearing the initial reports on the discovery of wreckage of the Titan those stories came to mind once more. I will try to briefly summarize the nature of those implosions and the one that occurred for the Titan.
A sinking military submarine eventually reaches a depth at which the external sea pressure nears 1,000 pounds per square inch on the outer hull surface. The hull collapses at about 2,000 feet beneath the ocean’s surface.
The collapse is catastrophic and extremely quick. The sea pressure pushes the air within the hull towards the innermost part of the hull. The speed of the inwardly-rushing pressure wave is over 1,500 miles per hour - that’s twice the speed of sound. The radius of the hull is only 45-50 feet, so the hull reaches its farthest travel within ten milliseconds - less than one hundredth of a second. That’s much quicker than the blink of an eye.
As the air pressure wave moves inward, its pressure rises. And its temperature also rises - to about 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The aerosols within the internal atmosphere of the sub along with cooking fats, diesel and human flesh combust.
To put it bluntly it is the most violently sudden way to die, and in those cases as well as OceanGate's these disasters could have been completely preventable had their been more regulatory oversight.
At least someone knowing what they're talking about and not making up some bullshit about water rushing in so fast it superheated.
Thank you for explaining some of this for those who may not know. I've seen quite a few people misunderstanding what goes on during an implosion. Kudos to your dad for taking the time to explain these things as well.
That's so terrifying. I knew those videos of train tank containers imploding for "showcase" purposes to demonstrate what an implosion actually looks like, but this description sounds *SO MUCH* worse.
Just another reminder that we should stay as far away from the deep ocean as possible.
As morbid as it sounds, this seems like one of the better ways to die in terms of not feeling any pain or realising you're dying.
In this case especially. They didn't even think about cycles when they made the damn thing out of Carbon fibre. Its truly disgusting.
I started to suspect the sub instantly imploded when the connection was lost because more info on its *horrible* construction came out over time. A lot less terrifying compared to the alternatives. They died faster than the nervous system could even process anything. Its gruesome, but painless
Mark Twain really hit the nail on the head when he said that “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.”
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@@NigerianCrusaderliberal sarcasm??
If the creation of anything thru molecule to man evolution were true, nothing should evolve because organisms have ORGANS. and evolution could never get even 1 of them to function right, LET ALONE 4 OR 5!! AND THE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM!!
The sequence of DNA can be identical but produce different results based on the presence or absence of epigenetic markers. So if humans and chimps share a common ancestor and these chemical tags are heritable, they should have similar epigenetic markers, right?
They should (if evolution were true), but they don’t.
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The mind-numbing part of all this isn't even the sub-phobia, but the despicableness of the now-dead CEO. James Cameron himself has been to the titanic 33 times in a submarine, and himself holds the record for the lowest sub dive, and even HE knew that the passengers were DOA. It's also worthy to note the same company tried getting him on one of those subs and he declined citing safety concerns.
James Cameron has been on 33 submersible dives. Not all to the Titanic. He's gone even deeper than that with the Challenger Deep expedition.
HOW IS THE CEO DEAD?
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Yeah he knows his shit unlike this ceo buffoon
@@MakerInMotion Eh if you search it up plenty of sites says he's been to the Titanic 33 times. Also the OP knows about the Challenger Deep dive because he literally mentions it in his comment.
@@mortem4342 Shit! I had a bad source, you're right. My apologies to OP. You are a scholar and a gentleman.
James Cameron was in an interview along with Dr. Robert Ballard, the man who discovered Titanic and how they heard about the Titan going missing.
Bob was at sea when news of the Titan reached him, he called up Jim and both concluded that it fell victim to an implosion, but said nothing about it, hoping that they were wrong, but ultimately they were right.
Bob Ballard actually knew Stockton Rush when he met him in his younger years and Stockton told Bob that his dream was to explore the Titanic to which Ballard had said in the interview as ‘A Dream that became a Nightmare.’
Ballard would tell of his experience in submersibles like the Alvin and how he felt safe in that submersible while exploring the wreck of the Olympic-Class Ocean Liner, Titanic.
Stockton Rush let his pride and innovative ideas get to him, despite being told that the Titan was not safe and even fired an engineer who spoke out against using the sub.
Director James Cameron was interviewed saying he knew the Titan imploded the second it went missing, but didn’t say anything because he didn’t want to speak on the matter for the sake of the families.
He also said he felt bad for the families because he knew every piece of hope was false.
Cameron also compare the OceanGate CEO to the Titanic’s original captain who cost people their lives because of his hubris and disregard all warnings.
he was absolute right too.
the coast guard and anyone with more than half a brain knew that was the case too
All douches claim they know things after they happen. If he was so smart and worried he would know how to halt their operations
respect
James Cameron is a moran.
The 19 year old is the most sympathetic part of this whole saga. No matter what the circumstances, everyone else got a chance to have life experiences except him. RIP, young one.
Yea he was way too young, but he went just for his father
This.
To me he is the true victim.
His fathee should have never taken him knowing the risks. Heartbreaking
So much wealth and a whole life ahead of him. What a waste.
@@animecontextshows that even billionaires can be outright stupid
I feel sorry for the 19 year old who just wanted to bond with his dad and still went into this sub even though he didn’t want to he was scared and anxious but still did it because of the love for his dad and the experience to do this with him.
White privilege at its finest 😂😂😂
True, bro didn't deserve to die
True, read the articles, honestly sad. Dad forced him for Father’s Day. What a horrible end.
@realyozthe real Goku would not like you
@realyozcan you expose the person who asked?
I feel so bad for all 5 of those guys, they just wanted to have a good time, and the 19 year old just wanted to spend time with his dad, but they died due to Rush's absolutely awful decisions. It honestly makes my blood boil.
The best interview I've seen on this incident was with James Cameron. Cameron said that within 30 minutes of hearing about the incident on Sunday and talking with the people that helped design his submersible that went down to the Titanic & the Challenger Deep, he deduced that the submersible had imploded.
I'm no submersible expert, but as soon as I heard how the construction went down, my mind also went to implosion >_> I was hoping being wrong.
They all knew what had happened but until they found the wreckage they had no proof. They needed to confirm to tell the families first, which is why the week played out as it did. The media speculation was because $$$$ being made (and ignorance). So as soon as wreckage was found, the families told, within minutes the truth was revealed.
James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he IS....James Cameron.
@@okayegg4597any sort of cable that could pull them up would weigh an unreasonable amount, that sort of backup plan is unfortunately unrealistic
It was obvious from the beginning, and I find it rather disturbing the 4th branch mislead so many people about it.
Loss of coms
Loud bang
Poorly designed sub made by someone who complains about safety
I find it so ironic that the person who complained about the safety of his product, is the one to pay the ultimate price for that, too. I also detect rather a large amount of karma as well.
At least we can be sure that upon an implosion at that depth, they would have died practically instantly. As soon as the sub had a breach, the sudden change in pressure in the air being compressed would heat the air in the sub to potentially 1000's of *c, and within 30ms it would have been all over. I have no doubt that they did not suffer if this was the case. They wouldn't have had a chance to.
This is honestly a best-case scenario of worst-case scenarios.
The alternative was that they were somehow stuck at the bottom of the ocean in that extremely cramped vessel with limited supplies and air or worse, somehow neutrally buoyant in an underwater current with all of this happening.
This was at least near instantaneous.
it is, it’s better to be very instantly killed then slowly run out of oxygen
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By day three they would have been breathing in farts. They got lucky they went out that way
@@TaterTotsNFantathey wouldn’t last that long
@thewanderer797damn 🤦🏾♂️ people can’t just comment nowadays???
The banging sound could have been anything. Rescue boats on the surface, anchors clanging, the titanic wreckage moving with the water, etc. The biggest clue we had that there was an implosion is that not only was communication lost, but tracking as well, and at the same moment. Tracking systems used in subs are autonomous, it's self-contained in its own pressure housing. To lose comms and tracking simultaneously meant undeniably that the sub was gone.
They didn't even have proper tracking on this sub. They would just text their location to the team at the surface.
Just adding a bit of clarification to your comment. "the titanic wreckage moving with the water, etc.". Well I recently learned that there is no current that far down. It's just always calm. The O2 is so low that the ship is being eaten by bacteria faster than being decayed by Rust. The more you know!
That last bit was straight from what James Cameron said, and he was right unfortunetly
Exactly, the banging sounds were most likely all of the activity on the surface from everyone. When the submersible lost contact with the ship just over an hour after launch that was mostly likely the exact moment they were all killed . Luckily the pressures down there were over 500 psi so they would have died very swiftly; no pain, no suffering, no thoughts of what was even happening.
You’re assuming this guy even spent the money for tracking
Something worth noting is that the son of one of the passengers (who was a passenger himself) didn't want to go on this thing because he feared it was unsafe, but did so anyway to please his parents as the trip was a gift from his now widowed mother for him and his dad. I'd take that as a cautionary tale to just go with your gut.
he said that during the video
@@bluebosnian Somehow I didn't notice, but I'd heard it elsewhere
Imagine the guilt the mother must feel
As a father, it broke my heart when I heard that the 19-year-old was only there because he was putting on a brave face for his dad for Father's Day.
OOF that's a huge punch to the gut :(
I know! I hate seeing people online making fun of the people in this situation. Not only is it horrible and no one should have to deal with that (even if they are rich), but there was a teenager on board who like you said didn’t want to do it but did it for his father.
I’m sure some people will go “He still shouldn’t have done it he’s so dumb and deserved it.” but it’s normal for kids to go on rollercoasters and shit too when they’re scared and only do it for their family members. It’s normal to do that and the whole situation is heartbreaking.
The instant deaths were best case scenario compared to how much they would have suffered if the situation was as the media reported. Having to slowly wait for death to come while dehydrated, hungry, and surrounded by vomit, urine, and feces is much worse than having death come quickly without you even knowing you’re dead. I just wonder if the CEO had his moment of “huh, maybe this isn’t a good idea”
They almost certainly heard the cracking sound of the Carbon Fiber delaminating shortly before implosion. The emergency weights were dropped according to James Cameron's sources so they were aware of their impending doom.
@@Enorbs96 They were dead in a second.
@@Enorbs96implosions are instant. It would have been like the lights going out.
@@SamoIsKingthey did drop their weights to ascend so they had time to think of it
@@nishi1870Yes the implosion was Instant but they had warnings it was going to happen and were rushing back up.
For those who don’t really understand what implosion at that depth is, they all got squished, boiled and liquified within a tenth of a second, basically instant death
At least they didn't suffer then. The slim silver lining.
Boiled?
The ending of Alien Resurrection, only instant. Fuck me.
@@deathwrow9652 Right? I thought the water was cold down there. Can we get an explanation at table 4 please?
I understand they would get squished because of the pressure. That's high-school physics, but why the heat? I read other remarks abour them boiling and doubted it?
Please elaborate. Thanks.
It was really forward thinking of them to call their company OceanGate. Since we always add “gate” to big controversies and scandals, they just saved us time and let us know from the get go that they were going to screw up big time.
I dub thee OceanGateGate
@@alice45-fgd-456drtSo mote it be.
As far as the "weirdness" goes, there are some explanations for it:
1 - The sounds that could have been banging: Sound can refract around in a really complex way in the ocean as it interacts with layers of warmer/colder/saltier water. It can be really hard to pinpoint sound origins as a result. So, even though the noises weren't banging from a submersible, it was plausible at the time that they could have been. We'll probably never know the true origin of the banging noises.
2 - The reporting one is really easy to explain: If you can drag out a story for 5 days to get millions of clicks and views each day, you'll make more money. It wasn't strictly a lie that the crew could have still been alive based on available information, and if you can dramatize it with a doomsday countdown, even better. Is it ethical? Hell no. Just business. Journalistic integrity went out the window ages ago for multi-billion dollar "news" agencies. It's all sensationalism to make money.
3 - Batshit insane billionaires are often excellent, convincing salesmen. Rush said things that were exaggerations at best, like "working with NASA and Boeing engineers" on the design and construction, even though their involvement was minimal or nonexistent. He would also say things like his sub was so advanced that it couldn't be certified because there were no certifications for the crazy awesome technology he used. The sub had made successful dives before, and charismatic people can be careful and subtle in their omission of facts to convince laymen of things they wouldn't rationally believe otherwise. See pretty much any conspiracy theory ever. So yeah, I can see how Rush could con people (and even himself) into getting on his sub.
These explanations hit
It was confirmed it was nearby ships
The media wouldn’t happen to be blowing this story up on all media outlets to distract the American citizens from the Biden case this week would they?
True ?
@@Golemrock598or kinda fuckin weird depending on the context
It's a sad situation. It's a shame the CEO for the submarine company did not hold safety and regulation in higher regard for the expeditions.
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Agreed. So many OBVIOUS warning signs that were just ignored because money was more important.
Money is great don't get me wrong... but no amount of it brings lives back from a bad decision like this
On the bright side, he won't be able to do it anymore
@@KogasaTatara514 your not wrong
Only justice in the situation is that he got crushed with his POS submersible. Pity about the other people that he took to their doom with him.
A pro submariner said the reason they don't use the carbon fiber he used, is because it doesn't hold up well to repeated stress. Which makes sense, considering it did a couple successful dives before becoming compromised. He said this is widely known, so he didn't understand why the CEO would use it. The CEO also only paid for a front view port certified at 1300m instead of 4000m (depth of Titanic) because he didn't want to spend the money.
The CEO would put mr krabs in shame in terms of how greedy he is jeez
This thing was basically Russian Roulette, with each trip as a bullet chamber. Awful.
Bro even cheaped out and got the knockoff Playstation controler
@@pythontf188bruh, that's some misinformation going around the media for some reason. It was a wireless Logitech Xbox controller. Gamepads like this aren't even that uncommon, there are used in some tanks because many soldiers are familiar with the ergonomics and haptics of them. Using one on the submersible, however, seems like literal trolling to me, especially considering it being wireless
@@mariehelena2364nah, more like a mousetrap. Without maintenance, it will go eventually. Just a matter of time.
Just so people know, even though Charlie probably already covered it:
When the pressure gets deep enough, the light goes away. Once you pass that point, you are asking for trouble.
Once you get to these depths, the pressure is something even titanium might have trouble with. Nobody was ever going to find them BECAUSE of the pressure.
There’s a reason nothing down there has anything solid. Like bones or really any internal structure to speak of. And it’s not the lack of light.
It’s the pressure. Anything down there alive is alive because it can survive two miles of 30 degree or less ocean water
Idrc who thought they would find something but a three second google search for “ what happens to human bodies at a two mile depth” would’ve told anyone what they were gonna find.
It’s the reason the titanic is there, everyone’s belongings but no bodies. Bodies get liquified. They’re not built for that level of fuck me fuck you pressure.
They just aren’t. Apologies to anyone who was in the rescue teams or are mourning, but this is the harsh reality.
There’s no bodies. Just whatever they had on. No paste. No skin, bone fragments. Nothing. They’ve been liquified through pure force in the form of water.
Addendum:
As clear cut as it is, I wanted to update this:
I saw this somewhere (and this was years ago) and idk where but one estimate was it took somewhere from either 3 months to 6 months or 3-6 weeks for this process to happen. (People write bad “articles” all the time, so it’s not a surprise)
This is clearly not the case. The people involved in this sheer negligence were missing after a day. Even after finding shards of the sub, there was nothing left of them. So they don’t even last a week down there, let alone a few days. That’s how high the pressure is.
Damn...
Late to this, but Jesus Christ never thought the pressure was that high that it literally can liquify humans.
You seem to think the implosion just destroyed the outside of the submersible. These people were turned to only blood splatter in less than a millisecond. Their clothes are also gone. It wasn’t just the ocean working against them, their cage turned them to dust and incinerated them at the same time. The bodies of the titanic had a totally different fate. The only thing that could remain of this death trap are metal fragments.
What caused the bodies to be liquified was the implosion, and what caused the implosion was the difference in pressure between the inside of the submersible and the outside (the ocean). If a body sank down that deep from the surface it would not get liquified. The actual reason there are no bodies on the Titanic is because they’ve decomposed with time.
Your ability to put something into serious context is amazing. No joking around no messing around when it’s serious and it drives it home even harder knowing you’re usually joking and having fun
You can tell his ironic videos from his serious stuff by the monotone persona he uses for memeing on stuff
Its because the majority of RUclipsrs lack basic common sense and empathy. Everything is an ultimatum on social media, but I’m happy Cr1tikal can be transparent on serious issues and that’s why he has such a strong following.
I hope he continues to be consistent, and maybe a House Of Caravan video?
Bro this is so fucking true
@@papamilfz1565exactly a lot of youtubers only care about themselves
He removed voice comms from the submersible because he tired of being disturbed while taking people down on trips, so he replaced the communicator with text messages and some type of locator. They also lost comms on every dive at some point and they thought it was normal...thus why it took a while for them to call for help.
@ThetinyFresh2544 and why is that?
@ThetinyFresh2544you are as well
for your piss poor grammar 😂
@@itsascendingfr he's a bot, don't be bothered
@GellertEnt maybe cuz rich people are only able to be as rich as they are through exploitation. I don't believe in God but remember it's easier for a camel to get into heaven than people who have unnecessary amounts of wealth.
Wouldnt matter anyway since they impoled
It's truly tragic not just how this happened, but how fast it all was. They weren't even underwater for an hour before they were crushed to smithereens before they probably knew what was happening. Rest in peace to all who were on board, but especially the teenager who just wanted to be with his dad on Father's Day.
@realyozshut up
Actually how fast it was, was the best case scenario for this instance. They didn’t suffer or feel any pain they just instantly died. Yes it’s sad they died but at least they didn’t suffocate to death.
@realyoz ok
It'd be a blessing in disguise if it ended before they realized what was happening. No pain, fear or suffering, I genuinely hope they spent their last moments just enjoying the trip they were taking.
@@brendanmystery yea, like the speed at which it would happen would be faster than neurons can send signals. All things considered, they probably died a more peaceful death than most people will have in their lifetimes
I feel horrible for the kid, especially after finding out he didn't even want to go in the first place. For the others I can't garner much sympathy, they seemed well-aware of the risks and willing to take them.
The best part was that they used laminated carbon fibre for the construction, aka something that fails dramatically, with no warning, with no way to detect without incredibly comprehensive scans for microscopic fault lines, scans that the company refused to perform and fired a employee over when he raised the issue.
Damn that’s deep
I did safety inspections on construction sites for a couple years. There was more than one time that I would find a huge risk, take a picture of it, write a report about it, and they proceed to ignore it. It's documented though. You can ignore safety regulations all you want; you just can't ignore the consequences afterwards
You can if you’re dead.
TRUMP ISNT DANGEROUS LIKE SAFETY REGULATIONS
@waketp420 U MEAN SUPER TRUMP
@@ihavepissinmybrain TRUMP, TRUMP NEVER DIES
i don’t know if the youtuber i first heard this quote from got it from somewhere else, but one who covered a Lot of horrible accidents once said something like “safety rules and regulations are written with the blood of innocents who needed those rules the most”
As a former submariner. The safety regulations that were in place were already written in blood from incidents like the thresher and scorpion. It's sad that someone would blatantly ignor those and we all had to learn the hard way again why those regulations were put in place.
@realyozwould you like a botnet strike wave on your channel? Because I'm tired of seeing your name. Saying this shit.
What regulations? Everyone keeps saying all these safety regulations wer ignored yet have never named anything specific. Nor has anyone named a regulation that if Followed would have prevented this.
@@samscholz5024Based on how people talked I assume he didn't follow quite a lot or most of them in building the sub hence why it was doomed from the get go. There was no magical bandaid they could apply since the thing was just not meant to exist in the first place. It was kinda like building a house with cardboard
@samscholz5024 look up subsafe. That's definitely a good place to start.
@@samscholz5024 I'm not an expert on vehicle safety regulations, but if I hear news about a brand new supercar that turns out to not have seatbelts or airbags, I'm pretty sure that's not legal
The reason they didn't tell people that it was likely an implosion was to keep morale up among potential search/rescue staff. There was a small, but not impossible, chance they were still alive, and if so they needed to keep morale up.
I suspect the Navy didn't want to tip their hand too much on just how good their listening devices are either....
I have friends who are also doing business courses at Strathclyde uni in Glasgow, so I was shocked when I heard a fellow student of theirs, Suleman Dawood, was the the 19-year-old on the submarine. I can't even imagine how his classmates must be feeling right now (and sending condolences to his family, naturally). And the whole thing about him not even wanting to board it is just heartbreaking. This shite should not have ever happened.
Now you mentioned that, the teenager might have as well foreseen what would have come, explaining his fear (though he might also a bit phobic himself, idk). I can't even think of a situation if he were to practically begged his father to not go aboard the questionable sub, but knowing it is his dear father we are talking about, he decided to accompany him through the journey.
the owner driven by greed is so disgusting
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@@jaka7418 It wasnt greed. If it was greed he wouldve collected the money and had his employees do the trip whilest he stayed at home bathing in money..
He literally was the pilot on nearly all the trips that sub took and it was all funded out of his own pocket. He was just too passionate about it and didnt have enough money to finance it properly, which led to him cutting corners and the fraud stuff.
He paid the price in the end.
Also all passengers were aware of the risk. It's not like he lied to them about it being safe etc.. they knew exactly what they were getting themselves into.
@@jaka7418 feel the same but if you rewatch the ceo interviews. You can tell he knew he wasn't coming back. Look at his eyes and hear his words. They are empty.
They probably threatened his family's well being if he didn't take that pilot and the billionaire.
I watched Robert Ballard and James Cameron get interviewed about this on yesterday's news. Cameron states it's always a risk going under the ocean. Yet you do EVERYTHING in your power to mitigate that risk as much as possible. This is why professional oceanographers with their trained crews and certified and well-built submersibles and ROV's have not had a single accident diving to the Titanic that resulted in a loss of life.
why do you care what a filmmaker thinks
@@CJ_YT. because James Cameron has been to the Titanic multiple times and went to the Mariana Trench with his own submersible.....
@@thrashboidjentboimusic1055 oh i didn't know that
Until now.
@@CJ_YT.Yepp. I was surprised too, but apparently James Cameron is one of the leading explorers of the deep seas.
Genuinely only feel bad for that poor kid, he actually was logical and had every correct reason to not get on that submarine. Wealth does not buy you better brains. Wish his dad understood that
To be fair, to the common "too rich to spend all my cash, so might aswell" type of person the dad seemed to be, the submarine could look somewhat safe, so we'll never know what were the thoughts behind their eyes.
Personally i would never hop on ANY kind of sub, because of thalassophobia
@@tjrex9458the dad was a self made, he seemed more like he wanted to buy unique experiences for his family to have. That's what I've planned on doing when I'm a bit more wealthier. Once I start getting my money working more. Anyhow, its the idea that material is cheap, but our lives and experiences aren't. Memories matter more than tat, and thats common with people who make their own wealth.
The dad died to?
The equipment used to detect the implosion WAS top secret. The knocking could've been debris falling to the ocean floor or the deteriorating skeleton of the Titanic.
the knocking was in SOS Morse code, the dots aren’t connecting
@@denhsoka what??? What source said this? Cause this really does add to all the confusion
@@denhsokathe knocking never came from the sub. it imploded and they were dead immediately. the news simply sensationalized it and our navy didn't say that they knew soon as it happened that it was implosion because they heard it but the equipment used to hear it is top secret stuff. or they dragged it out to keep people's attention. either way they already admitted they knew it was an implosion when it happened.
source: trust me bro
Lol@@Scooter227
Some interesting things
The submersible, the Titan, was named after the ship of the same name from the novella Futility, from which the RMS Titanic was also named after. In a similar fashion where Franklin bragged about the RMS Titanic being unsinkable, Oceangate CEO Stockton Rush also bragged about it being "overly safe".
Coincidentally, Rush's wife is the great grandchild of Isidor and Ida Straus, the elderly couple that boarded and died on the Titanic in 1912.
@realyozand I don't give a shit.
That is a frightening coincidence
He didn’t brag about his sub being overly safe, he said the industry was “overly safe”. He was whining about safety regulations.
Wow. Family reunion.
Titanic wasn’t named after the fictional Titan. It was actually named after the Greek Titans. Her older sister was named Olympic as a reference to Mt Olympus, it was also the name of an Oceanic Class vessel that was never constructed. Her sister ship, Britannic was meant to be called Gigantic, as the third of the three and the largest of her class but was changed to Britannic instead because the name would have been in bad taste.
Honestly, next to being saved, this was probably the best scenario. Their method of death would have been extremely quick. Better than being stuck underwater for multiple days and suffocating to death. Just goes to show that we should never take safety regulations for granted. They're there for a reason.
TRUMP IS MORE AWESOME
These fvcking bots
yeah like the saying goes, regulations are written in blood
Hopefully people can use this as proof that sometimes safety is more important than convenience
You scared me for a sec, but yeah you're probably right
There's a common saying that goes "Regulations are written in blood." And it's absurd how often we have to keep re-learning this lesson the hard way.
This isn't to say some rules/regulations can't be challenged, but more consideration should be taken if the worst-case scenario can cost someone their limbs and/or life.
Honestly where is the fucking redundancy here, in aviation there's so many wall that must be breached before disaster happens.
how exactly do you think we reached those levels of extra redundancy?
Years of disasters mistakes and industry outcry
The CEO was saying there were already too many regulations. With a CEO like that, this was bound to happen, unfortunately.
The problem is that the CEO actively did everything in his power to avoid them.
carbon fiber has a finite lifespan in ALL applications and a simple scratch in any outer protective coating will allow salt water to start entering the weave.... when it dries salt crystals remain and are now destroying the carbon fibers anytime it goes thru heat/ cold/pressure cycles.. And all this is if there was zero imperfections to begin with. then there is the wtf way they attached the bulkhead to the end of it ...capped off by a window not rated for the pressure you plan to dive to.
It's incredibly sad that no law enforcement stepped in to try and stop the expedition. I hope that the families of the victims get the justice that they deserve. The CEO was clearly a money hungry man, and he deserved what came to him.
The dive took place in international waters for that reason; no laws.
I only feel sorry for the 19yr old who didn't want to go, the rest and especially the CEO I don't have much (or any for the latter case) pity for. The risk was blatant and they chose to ignore it.
They wouldn’t be able to, since any money giving to the company was counted as a donation and was a private enterprise, Stockton is the true problem
I feel the worst for the 19 year old. He didn’t even want to go. Had his entire life ahead of him but it was cut short by a bozo that went “regulations schmegulations full send!”
Rest in peace. I hope he didn’t suffer when he went.
Stop making shit up dude
I mean he was 19 he could have refused to go but he gave into the pressure
@@drewammons1525probably could have worded that better
@@gor2714 probably
@realyozonly thing you've exposed is your lack of intelligence
On one of the previous missions, they got stuck on the sea floor because the engineers installed the thrusters in reverse, and they only just realized it when they were 300 meters from the Titanic. So for many minutes, they were just stranded while the CEO was on the surface telling them what to do over radio. Not to mention, their communication software between the sub and the surface ship looks like an AIM chatroom.
Charlie inspires me.. My parents said if I get 15k followers They'd buy me a better camera for recording..begging u guys, literally begging....
So the the front window glass can withstand the pressure?
how the FUCK does that happen? sounds like the CEO was hiring people with 0 engineering qualifications to cut costs
@@mofomikoThe window probably isnt able to withstand that pressure multiple times.
Even before all this happened you wouldn't have been able to PAY me 250k to go in that sub. There's so much readily available info on how bad the sub and the company is that these people must have ignored it or assumed it wouldn't happen to them.
Back in 1898 there was a book called Futility, ( later renamed Wreck of the Titan) which describes a seemingly unsinkable British Ocean Liner called the Titan with massive specs and speed that ultimately sinks in the Atlantic after striking an iceberg. This was published 14 years before the Titanic disaster and the Titanic perished in similar circumstances, same way as the Titan and location. Well, the Ocean gate Sub was called the Titan and now the Wreck of the Titan lies in the area of the wreck of the Titanic.
Poetic how life (or universe if you want to) plays out
Seems like whoever names ship or close to titanic it will be somewhat cursed atleat thats my side of view
wow that is crazy
It's sad to see history repeat itself because of people's negligence, ignorance, carelessness,and not being educated in history😕
The titanic was an inside job
That 19 year old kid is the only one I feel bad for because he just wanted to make his dad happy. Everyone else tho, especially the CEO, was just plain stupidity.
Update: as of June 27, 2023, OceanGate is getting shut down for good. Rest easy, everyone.
As a Navy sailor, I do want to go ahead and say that not even our submarines go that deep, Their carbon fiber submarine stood no chance. And to the people who say "Oh, but it did it before!" .... okay, it didn't the last time
TRUMP WOULDNT DO THAT DUDE
@@NigerianCrusaderwhat?
@@NigerianCrusaderstop cornball
Exactly what I was thinking, it’s also like people don’t Know anything about the Thresher
Well if the Navy doesn't go down that far then neither should anyone really especially untrained tourists.
Couple notes I want to say:
In rescue situations like this, they were probably working off of the idea that something other than an implosion happened just in case. They wouldn't want to leave a group of people to die a painful death because they made an assumption.
With the initial implosion sound and the banging sounds they heard, the problem is that the ocean is a weird place that makes a lot of weird sounds, and they couldn't technically prove that those sounds were the submersible or not. Again, they probably just went with the assumption that they were somehow alive, though I do want to say i think its a bit irresponsible that none of the articles I looked through had a disclaimer about how the sounds could be unrelated.
I'm just hoping that they told the families the most likely outcome beforehand, or gave them a good idea on how they most likely are already dead. I couldn't imagine how hard it would be if they spent this week praying for them to return only to learn that the entire search ended up being pointless. The biggest tragedy is the poor kid, he definitely should not have been there. And fuck that CEO, safety regulations exist for a good reason.
@realyoz Stop spamming the comments - nobody is going to your channel.
yup also remember Oceangate didn't report the loss of the sub till a while after the implosion sound happened. So the Navy heard the implosion and wouldn't know right away that was it because they didn't know a sub was missing.
Also you don't want to say "Yeah we heard an implosions so that sub is gone" if there is a slim chance that it was something else and because you made that announcement the rescue effort doesn't happen while turning out they could have been rescued.
@@thapthoptheep2076it’s a bot, just report it as spam. Responding to them supposedly just make it worse
@@SpacedLogicthat military sub probably also had to get that info declassified before they could publicise it
There is a lot of honor at sea and pretty much always there will be a rescue attempt. It's not unusual that people would attempt to save their life because there have been many instances of rescue missions that seem impossible, but they end up saving someone. I remember there was a mission where a ship crashed and people went down like a week later and found a cook alive who was punching sharks.
One of the few times where Charlie is visibly bothered because of how entirely avoidable the situation was but stupidity prevailed and lives were lost.
The media wouldn’t happen to be blowing this story up on all media outlets to distract the American citizens from the Biden case this week would they? Almost like they know to use an emotional story to manipulate you.
Mate he's always visibly bothered 🤣
Let's not forget the submersible was controlled remotely from the ship it was launched from, not from inside the sub. Who fucking thinks that's a good idea, ever!?
That's natural selection for you
@@illegalopinions4082 it's not natural selection, it's people who trusted a corporation and that corporation killed them. Natural selection is when something dies because it is unfit for survival. These are people, not animals. They died because of negligence on the corporation's fault. Have some god damn respect for the dead.
Pick up a textbook and learn something for once in your life.
I feel so bad for the young man who died onboard. There was every red flag for everyone involved and they all arrogantly ignored them; and perished for it
My heart goes out to the 19 year old. He had more common sense than all these adults. In the end, he mad the ultimate sacrifice for father's day, with his life. The only thing that gives me closure is that the implosion was so instantaneous that they didn't even feel it. The company deserves to be sued. R.I.P to all of them 🕊🙏
TRUMP COULD HAVE SAVED HIM, BUT U VOTED BIDEN
@@NigerianCrusaderUm no, neither of them would be able to save them tf
@@NigerianCrusaderYes Trump would have stopped the tin can from imploding
@@NigerianCrusaderStarting up with this “Trump is the second coming” stuff real early this election cycle.
@@NigerianCrusaderWtf are you talking about man
Personally, I see an issue with how an experimental craft was allowed to sell tickets to the general public, whether they had people sign waivers of liability or not. It’s one thing to take yourself and some friends down to see the Titanic, but it’s another thing to sell seats to people who may not fully comprehend the risk of the mission or craft.
That’s my thoughts, but the asshole got the mega-death penalty so he won’t be endangering anymore lives.
Sad he took innocent folks with him.
"seats"
There were No seats on this thing
@@enderkatze6129 do you not know of figurative speech?
All those people were legally adults and could comprehend what "death" mentioned in the waiver is.
To be fair they knew the risk and signed waivers
For anyone wondering the implosion sound was hear by an apparently classified navy underwater listening device which is why the media wasn't immediately told about it. It was only passed to the people who needed to know that information for the search.
@ThetinyFresh2544How so? Nobody deserves to die like that… Especially so brutally, wouldn’t even wish that on my worst enemy.
@@etdaniels1713that guy’s a bot you can look at his comment history
@@tylerankirsh5030 Whoever owns that bot should perish.
@@etdaniels1713 Brutally? It was pretty much instantaneous and painless for the people onboard. Better than slowly running out of oxygen over the course of a few days. They might have had a few moments if the submersible didn't fail instantly.
And yeah, some people do deserve it. Namely the CEO who's entirely to blame for this incident. Just sucks that he managed to convince four other people to climb into that death trap with him.
@@tylerankirsh5030 woah woah woah
how do you look at youtube comment historys
"The titanic sunk over 100 years ago but is still taking lives to this day"
Charlie this is 10x better than any news channel stuff I have seen about the titan
The joke made itself. @@Amethyst_Deceiver1
Just want to let anyone know who thinks they got "the worst way" to go, implosion at that depth is instantaneous. It literally happens faster than nerve signals in our body can travel to our brain. They were quite literally alive and then dead. They felt no pain when it happened. That was the BEST outcome they could've gotten. They were quite literally atomized. Merciful for the 4 passengers. Too kind to the guy who murdered them.
Still pisses me off that the CEO died before knowing what happened
Thank You for saying exactly what I feel that OceanGate CEO is a murderer no question about it.
@@boijames3253 he deserved a slow and torturous way of going out
@@boijames3253 I get that the CEO was negligent and overly confident, but it's not like he was a vile, evil person that tortured people and forced people at gunpoint to go and to die for him. He was dumb and a little arrogant. People wishing "the most horrible death" on people like this, and saying things like "im sad his death wasnt slow", are kinda gross and toxic. They are all still people, rich or stupid or otherwise.
@@theSato He knew though, he made passengers sign a waiver that mentioned the possibility of death and total destruction at least 5 times... fired people who didn't agree with the lack of safety standards... started lawsuits with ex-detractors etc
When you're dealing with this, it's not just casual lighthearted negligence, like "oopsie i just made a booboo and used some crap parts!!!!!" This was genuine criminal negligence on his part. you have to understand that he had other peoples lives at stake MULTIPLE times during MULTIPLE expeditions and never once showed true compassion for his part in diving to that depth.
It's insane to me that you can scramble the coast guard and navy for a single small vessel for a multi-day search but you can't get a free ambulance ride to the hospital.
...true. I had to be in one yesterday and I'm dreading the bill. Fml
@@cl3x18999 "tHOugHts aND PrAYerRs"
Its truly ridiculous. Hope you can manage it.
fr
is it really that bad in america?
Jeez you Americans have it bad.
No one deserves to die like that, but I'm struggling to feel sympathy for the CEO. He seemingly had no self-preservation instincts, and inhumanely and somehow unknowingly drove multiple people to their deaths.
Honestly the same is kind of true for the passengers except the 19 year old who only did it for his dad. They should have researched the company and would have known how sketchy it was. They were rich so they could have even hired somebody to research for them and tell them it wasn't safe. There were warnings about that sub, and all of them still chose to go on it. None of them really had self-preservation skills tbh. No way you do something that dangerous without researching about it first. Especially the company that would be taking you. They had to know they were cutting corners when it came to safety.
The CEO felt like a character from the Greek myths where the gods had enough of him and his hubris. The other 4 passengers though, they definitely didnt deserved to die like this.
I mean it was at least a quick, painless and probably an unexpected death. Most people don’t get that luxury.
@@creasedhorizon8931 Maybe they didn't know about all this and just assumed it was as safe as other submersibles and assumed that the company knew what they were doing. I don't care how you try to frame it, that's a dickish thing to say to also say that the other passengers got what was coming to them too. You don't even know these people or what they're lives were like, you just assumed that they were braindead and knew what was going to happen.
@@troin3925 I never said anyone "got what they deserved" nor anything like that first of all. I'm saying it would be considered negligence on their part to not research the company or have somebody do research before doing something so incredibly dangerous. If you were going to go sky diving, the first thing you do is research sky diving instructors and do research on their safety precautions. I'm saying there was no reason for them to go into it not knowing anything, as there was warning being given from many different specialists. If you honestly believe they didn't know about any of those warnings, that would still be negligence for their own safety on their part. That's what I'm saying, not that they deserve it. I'm saying they didn't take proper precautions before going on this incredibly dangerous trip, which is true.
Death was instant, literally faster than the brain can comprehend so it’s the most painless death imaginable.
The implosion also causes a heat pocket with the temperature of the sun for a fraction of a second.
Hopefully Oceangate gets sued to oblivion for clear and gross negligence.
I knew of the 19 year old who passed on the submarine, he was friends with my friends (he attended university with them in our city). He was said to be extremely humble, he was sweet and no one knew he came from money whatsoever, my heart goes out to him. I think this tragedy has showcased the worst of the internet with just how dark people have went in the name of shock humour. People so easily forget that actual lives were lost, the disconnect is unreal - I hope all of them rest in peace, no matter the reason they were on the sub to begin with or the wealth they had to their name.
I know this is off topic but Charlie should talk about Sneako defending muhammad (prophet of Islam) marriage with a 9 yr old girl
Ye that's crazy. Dawg I actually knew the ceo. Yk we hung out and talked about business regularly. Yk he did act stupid time to time but the level of stupidity that went into this expedition was on another level.
Condolences
In exactly the same manner that psychopathic losers are celebrating their deaths, there are psychopathic losers who are just crying about the 19 year old, and there are psychopathic losers just crying about the pakistani passengers. All of these groups are unambiguously pure evil and all groups are, I repeat myself, psychopaths. Why do you pretend to be better than one another? It's extremely embarrassing.
Yeah my dad was actually friends with the 19 year old’s dad. The dad kept talking about how stoked he was about this trip and how it was going to be such a “rip-rolling good time with my son!”. So messed up, man
At 6:59 the "banging" or as it was reported "noise" could be literally anything underwater. The coast guard even said they dont know what it was. As for the navy knowing about the implosion on sunday, yes they heard it, but at the same time there are tons of loud noises under water caused by things such as tectonic plate shifting or other geologic activity. It was reported right away and went through the proper channels of analysis to where it was finally confirmed to most likely be the implosion. It wasn't like the Navy knew right away and kept it secret from everyone. It takes time to know for certain, getting multiple expert opinions on something before it can be published.
Another loud sound in tbe area, could have been them dropping the weights and that hitting the titanic wreckage or even the whole thing losing power and colliding down onto the titanic. Lots of loud sounds, and they travel very far.
I think they where also trying to cover up that they have sound devices in areas that they don’t want other countries to know about
@@braxlucky5718ding ding ding.
The USN has been using hydrophones since the 50s. I garentee you that sub cavitated, and hearing cavitation followed by a bang and no more cavitation kinda tells you everything
Navy vet: Ocean has a lot of noises in it and it could be anything on its own, confirmation takes time and the SOSUS net has Top Secret stuff in it. So yeah, bit of both.
It is somewhat fitting for such a negligent CEO to go down in his own submersible. I would say that he delivered his own justice, but it's such a tragedy that he took 4 other people with him. They honestly didn't really deserve to die.
Yeah, I feel kind of bad for the other 4, especially the kid.
Gotta be present to sell the idea to the investors, bro believes in deep sea expeditions like musk believes in space
"Didn't really deserve to die" makes it sounds like you're on the fence whether or not they deserved to die, or perhaps that you think they somewhat deserved to die. Please fix your wording because they clearly didn't deserve to die.
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@@lordfarquaad4174both of which are possible and actually quite simple if dumb and greedy people don’t get involved
The CEO didn't die because he was wealthy, he died because he was greedy. It's important to remember that people don't have to be both.
Its interesting to see that despite us being told when growing up numerous times to learn from history so we dont repeat our mistakes, we still have lots of people who just dont catch the hint.
Was there another incident involving a submarine?
@@riccardodellorto4267 Yup, I believe the most recent one happened in 2000 but I could be wrong except in that situation they actually listened to the warning signals and emerged quickly and survived.
When you have alot of money, you think you know better than everyone else. Including experts in the field.
Too many get the idea of "I won't make the same mistakes/they were stupid I won't be/the technology was shit back then/I'm smarter than that." At the end of the day it's misplaced pride and arrogance. It's always the little things that get you, there's different if not equally big or bigger mistakes you will inevitably make instead.
I wish this argument worked on certain peoples, who are very much alike to the people who helped destroy Greece and Rome.
Greece fell to an obsession with sex, and general degeneracy.
Rome fell to the oligarchy which was their government (I call it socialism, but naive "true" socialists would disagree). Believe it or not, most of Rome was not wealthy. By the end, people couldn't make enough money to cloth or even feed themselves.
The location device in the sub is kept in a separate chamber with it's own pressure chamber and the fact that the transponder, locarion device and comms went out simultaneously points to the sub being imploded immediately. Thankfully the notion of dying wouldn't have played into their conscience as with an implosion you're dead before any signal could reach the brain about dying.
Unfortunately, they knew something was going wrong and were likely scared just before dying. They had alarms onboard to alert them about deteriorating hull integrity. It was determined that gear had been deployed to resurface when the debris was found.
@@CalculatedTheNumberOfTheBeast ehhh even if the death wasn't instant it would probably be so fast you wouldn't have the time to register that pain. The skull isn't THAT tough
@@CalculatedTheNumberOfTheBeast two hours would probably be enough to reach bottom, so pretty much an instant death, even if not instant, still pretty fast due to all that pressure absolutely destroying human body
Yes, we all heard from James Cameron.
@@hpflixdo you have any source for the claim that gear had been deployed to resurface?
I cant help but feel some disappointment in the fact that Rush died without realizing his own hubris. The implosion killed them before they could even register it so Rush never even conceived how badly he messed up. It feels so unjust considering the innocent lives he took with him, the sadness their families have to live with and the others he had already put in danger
Maybe. Unless the sub sank due to a power failure, which would also account for lack of communication while in distress. They would have had a moment to dwell on what is about to happen, as they're sinking and the pressure is increasing.
Perhaps not. No telling for sure but depending on what failed and why, there could have been signs on what was about to happen. Noises, cracks, electrical failures. Who knows.
they released the ballast to drop weight and were trying to go back upwards. the thing also supposedly had sensors. he definitely knew they were fucked, maybe not the others though
Yeah, I wonder if he wished he had spent the extra $20 on some flex tape
Atleast he will no longer be around to cause any more tragedy
This just proves that movies like The Menu are actually quite plausible among rich people who are so out of touch with reality
Not sure if he mentioned it, but the CEO removed direct communication capabilities from the sub in order to not ruin the experience and also did not include any established professional engineers in the design/building of the sub, since they are too old and wouldn't attract young team members. This guy indeed was on a suicide mission...
He also didn't want "a bunch of white guys" when a bunch of white guys are literally submarine experts. Literally the only people you SHOULD be asking about subs lmfao.
You didn't mention the fact that the 'old' guys were specifically white, on purpose didn't you?
That's not true. They definitely had professional engineers
Yes because it is so obviously staged.
The old website SCREAMED with absolutely morbidly scary warning signs. No one THAT rich would even dare approach it, unless they can fake their deaths to avoid or profit from some kind of tax scam. Nobody is THIS dumb. Especially not millionaire elites.
Irony: it was a bunch of white 50 year old guys called in to bail his ass out.
There was supposed to be another passenger on board but the guy pulled out at the last second bcos of the safety concerns. That leads me to believe that either all of them were informed of the potential risks and STILL somehow decided to go along w it, or he was THE ONLY ONE OF THEM who decided to do some extra research on the vessel before the voyage. Either case is incredibly bizarre
they were definitely warned abt it. They signed a waivers that mentioned DEATH 3 times.
1) I totally agree. Weird shit was up no matter what the case was
2) This comment deserves better than to be stolen by a bot that got more likes. Glad I found yours
@@policepolicepoliceyou sign that shit when you go to a rock climbing gym, there's still an expectation of fucking safety and properly working technology.
@@QTpatootie95 and they don't definitely mention death 3 times or at all 😂😂
@@policepolicepolicenot on one single page, at least
James Cameron’s comments are really interesting in regards to one of the passengers, the French oceanographer. He was basically the world’s leading Titanic expert and had been down there 35 previous times, having lead six expeditions himself. His life was dedicated to it. It’s weird that someone that experienced would set foot on that death trap.
@ThetinyFresh2544you’re such a weirdo
The CEO must have been very convincing and charismatic.
@ThetinyFresh2544why?
@@johnsonc3879it’s a bot just ignore it and report it.
@@johnsonc3879 righ idiots who spend thousands to make the death of 1500 people an attraction, going into a clearly flawed submarine because they think theyre invincible since every one of their problems in their life could be solved by money
“Was it Davey jones at the bottom of the sea floor banging pots and pans together?” It’s these little nuggets of gold that Charlie throws in so dead pan that keep me coming back to these videos
The creator of that sub has now been added to the "list of inventors killed by their own invention". The architect who designed the Titanic is on that list too, as he sailed on the ship that got hit by the 'berg. I can't decide if that's irony or kismet.
@realyozand I exposed myself to children. Get on my level, fool
@@marcopeterson805 beyond based
@@marcopeterson805Ezra is that you
I don't think the designer of the Titanic really counts as an inventor.
One of the men was a researcher name PH Nargeolet, he was a Titanic Expert and deep sea explorer.
He had visited the wreck 37 times and knew the ship incredibly well. A wealth of information died with him.
True, though thankfully he's already left quite a legacy. He died a true explorer's death, in a way. Though I wish it was under his own terms instead of a crazed mad man's. I find it bizarre with all his experience that he would put his trust in a charlatan like this.
He wrote a memoir just last year on his work, thankfully
He was quoted in 2019 as saying whether 11km or 11,000km it didn’t matter if something went wrong because you’d never know it. He knew the risks and accepted that even in that death trap
well f bozo
makes that much more understandable why the father and son felt more comfortable doing it, since y'know they were bringing along this expert who had been down there so many times
deep condolences to the 19 y.o kid, he deserves a better life.
The kid I feel bad for. The others I don’t.
@@TheSurrealist. 💯
the 19 year old was terrified for his life, he was Pakistani too, so he was probably more scared than any average kid in his place. Rest in peace.
Brings tears to my eyes thinking the kid lost his life just for wanting to be there for his dad on father's day.
James Cameron brought up 2 very good points which is that carbon fiber is really good at being pulled, while it has no strength when being pushed, as they're just strings. Underwater the forces at work pushes in the carbon fiber, so there's really no advantage here. The craft was just being held together by the epoxy used to glue the carbon fiber together. Second is that the hull is made of carbon fiber and the composite glue materials, which means when the hull goes through high compression, one material is going to shrink/compress more than the other, and over dives that will cause fractures. These are very basic material science that the Oceangate team simply omitted.
not the team, the CEO. he fired the engineer who raise concerns and ignore the basic chemistry and physics because according to him it hinders inovation (and money ofc)
The fact that James Cameron who is a movie director who has created movies about Ocean not once, twice but many times (Hell, even Avatar 2 is located in Ocean) know about the safety and protocol of submarine better than dumbass and clueless CEO of that submarine by using a fucking Xbox controller, you know something is wrong!
Too bad corporate crime only gets fines, rarely jail time, never death sentence. Fuck, this country REALLY needs to bring back the death penalty, or at least banish sociopaths to remote islands.
@@RyuuOujiXStbf, we already got a de facto death sentence for Rush.
@@RyuuOujiXS Thankfully he died from his own crime. I just really hate he took 4 other lives with him. Especially that kid. He was terrified but felt he had to so his dad would be happy because it was Father's Day.
Safety regulations and building codes have been written in blood. The only ones I feel bad for are the passengers who may not have known all of the dangers of this vessel. The CEO is the only one who should have gone down with the ship.
We got 3 bozos in this reply section apparently. Anyways, it's infuriating that the CEO ignored and pretty much went against safety guidelines for more profit. His stupidity took 4 lives. How absolutely tragic.
James Cameron himself said it before the news was finalized. It was media sensationalism. He was personally irate they were drawing this out, talking about this banging noise like there was some kind of hope. A vessel like that does not simply lose its communication and navigation systems. If it does, it's gone.
The only problem with that claim is that their only navigation was through communication with the surface ship. The Titan didn't have GPS or radar. Apparently it lost contact with the surface ship every time it went down. So it lost communication and navigation, but came back fine all those times.
Media companies will milk any story until the last drop. The truth doesn’t pay the bills. This story is just one small example.
For the last part about the press making things worse you guys should check out the history of Alfredino Rampi, a kid who fell in a 60 meters deep well, just wide enough for a child to enter and the italian press was hiping this up like it was a sports event as the rescue mission went on. At the end the boy died and every single journalist felt ashamed
Nothing does the ratings good like potential death and suffering.
They felt as ashamed as vultures after waiting for the animal to die. I doubt they care, they probably said they do but if the same thing happened the next week or so after the same thing would've happened. Maybe I'm just used to American Press though
The media probably milked it to have us look In The other direction. They did it during Covid with the release of alien evidence
@@StinkyPoopyMcFartFace just folks tryna fill their quotas to feed their fams
@samchadwick8488then one of the rescue divers called out his bs and then elon proceeded to call him a pedo
I feel bad for the kid honestly, the horror he must’ve felt and the guilt of the father. It’s a sad, but fascinating story.
they couldn’t have seen it coming the moment there was a crack the vessel collapsed instantly
@@southestst they probably heard the creaking
@senorquack5182The 19 year old was terrified and didnt wanna go. He was dragged there by his father.
So sadly, there was horror for him
@@a.l.4852that's not how this technology works, no creaking just a fracture and collapse thank GOD.
The father felt no guilt because they died instantly
My heart breaks for the 19 year old son who was on it. He didn’t even want to go and now he paid with his life
He DIDN'T want to go?
Ph or nargalet or whatever was his name i heard he was there to save them somehow, i feel bad for ph, the dad, and the 19 year old
@@joshuaokonkwo-pw3csyeah, he was terrified but got pressured and even brought a rubix cube to distract himself and solve it at the bottom.
and also the sub failed every safety test and the ceo just let them die
@@bruhgod123 yeah
Rush’s ignorance not only cost him his own life but 5 others to. Truly saddening.
In his crusade against safety, the CEO has ultimately shown why safety measures should be taken seriously and certified. It's unfortunate that lives had to be taken, but hopefully this can be used as an example to show why safety measures are so important to prevent further tragedies like this.
To the passengers onboard the Titan, may you rest in peace.
piss bucket
saftey meassures should be the NUMBER 1 concern for submarines
@@MrTheevilmage Kinda mindboggling this needs to be said lol should be common sense
Well there's a saying.
Safety regulations are written in blood. Unfortunately a vast number of them exist because people were killed.
The problem with that is these safety concerns were raised and the safety requirements are already in placed for most people. The issue is his ignoring of those already in place protocols and certifications. As long as people like him continue to not care about safety, these things will continue to happen regardless.