Borderlands 3 | Zane Got Buffed! - Thoughts on Fl4k Nerfs & More Changes
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Our boy Zane got a buff! Today we got a massive hotifx patch full of stuff so today we're going through each them and giving our perspective on the changes and what it does to the game. These include Amara and Fl4k nerfs, Jakobs nerfs, Maliwan buffs, Dahl buffs, Legendayr nerfs and more!
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They're actually nerfing powerful stuff now? Dayum. I still remember how they fixed Salvador's broken ass by nerfing kunai.
r/suddenlygivesashit
Well they ignored mozz so it’s about the same
Like personally i feel like mozz has been the strongest
xkevxxr No, she wasn’t
Those kunai were a menace to society!
Mitchell Brennan yes yes she is
Hope they scale Iron bear also, I don't want to use him as a parachute on mh3
Yeah, Iron Bear is pretty useless in late game. It definitely need a buff.
Same here lol poor guy drops with just to die its painful and its hurts me to see he is reviving me and than he goes down just to revive poor thing you have to use your abilities to survive, they should really buff him that's why we gotta be OP he is useless on MH3
Parachutes, the diapers of the sky
Totally agree
Careful what you ask for. We'll end up with a nerfed moze to buff the bear
Im a little disappointed there wasnt any moze iron bear changes. Iron near is straight trash in mayhem 3.
True but her grenade spam is ridiculous
Ok Onion ring
So are FL4K's pets and rakk attack, which is why this nerf really hurts. He has no other viable build. Pretty disappointing that they nerf the only good build for him without buffing any alternatives.
DameonK His crit build is still insane tho
@@dameonk so true
unless pets, mech and clone scale or get a major buff there will always be a 1 tree cookie cutter build
right? let's have no one be good at anything, yay
Pure raw dmg from weapons to me will always be better than skills that are used over time than instant cast skills like armara.
The clone is good regardless because it draws aggro, even if it didn't do damage. And can revive you, does it's damage scale that badly late game?
The borderlands3 dev team is complete ass and a total let down, I’m basically done with this dumpster fire of a game, I only play it to help friends out and that’s about it. It’s not fun anymore they made sure to nerf the fun right out of it and they are to lazy to make my dlc characters #lazydevs #borderlands3
@@shaggytewsak Damn, what crawled up your arse this morning?
Just put a damn thing to skip cutscenes how hard is that
Pausing during cutscenes would be also nice...
Hell yes. I have played through the story with both Zane and Moze now working on amara and the cut scenes are getting old
xSacrollyd You can press P to screen shot in a cutscene (image quality depend on your computer) and I sometimes use it as a pause if want to see something more clearly but definitely not Lilith's cleavage
They included the ability to skip cutscenes, guess what game it is?
Couldn’t guess? Borderlands 2 VR
For PC
Your Drive\Epic Games\Borderlands3\OakGame\Content\Movies, put the folder in large icons mode if not already to differentiate if the cutscene names aren't apparent enough, find the ones you want to skip and add more characters to the video name so the game can't recognize the cutscenes for example: -backup.
Enjoy ear rape free game starts and quick character creation, you're welcome.
Zane is coming up! Super glad to hear it! We're getting there Zane mains! #ZaneGang
Wooooop Zane train
FINALLY, i really wanted to play him alot but all the endgame builds of his is really gear dependant, like Pipe bomb necessary for all nade builds, and the perfect gun for doppelganger. I wish the green tree got more going for it, the freeze build is fun but its not strong imho.
Glad I made a flak and amara lol
@@KingChambers as long as they dont touch Moze.👍
So glad I maxed him out, can’t wait to see how much more destructive I feel.
I feel like buffing things is better for games like borderlands, since the fun comes from being powerful
Eduardo JS yes but then you have what’s called power creep which is really bad. If you buff up everything to be overpowered, then one, the content becomes a joke and the game is too easy, and two, future content will suffer because it will have to be harder to compensate for the increase in power. Both buffs and nerfs are necessary for a game to be balanced. I’m not in favor however of sledgehammer nerfs.
I don't like nerfing things all the time, but if you only buff stuff, then the game gets power crept really quickly. Then it turns into an arms race for bigger and bigger numbers
If builds are melting bosses already this early into the game life it's too much and needs toned down
Nope, look at destiny 2 for example, too many buffs to supers made every boss a one phase joke. They had to swing a huge nerf hammer to balance future content. Power creep is a real thing, and it does ruin a game when people start one shotting bosses, were humans, a challenge keeps us more engaged.
Yes and no. Theres a happy middleground but if you can literally kill people just from walking towards them like my krieg in bl2, its so boring
How about buffing Fl4k's other shit abilities? he has ONE viable endgame build. don't nerf it without giving an alternative.
Imagine complaining about Fl4k not being viable.
that one end game viable build, was broken. being able to shred bosses without trying?.... come on. thats broken af.
pretty sure they are working on one thing thing at a time. They are constantly updating things and it takes time and the biggest problem is that while Fl4ks other stuff needs a buff rn its not as strong as now much of a nerf he needs rn too
@@AscendAndSee
*FL4K can't shoot down bosses in 2-4 seconds on TVHM M3 anymore*
FL4K mains: he's not viable anymore!
@@CedricBassman it's funny because Moze could kill any boss just as fast as pre nerf fl4k with torgue sticky launchers. Yet she also has other functioning builds and got no nerfs as well.
When do they start fixing the inventory and the performance issues?
Soon don't worry
different groups. common misconsception it's not one team working together, there is a group for live gameplay, group for backend stuff, group for balance ext. they said they have a bunch of fixes ready they're just testing to make 100% sure they don't make the game worse (as of the poopoo bomb nerf patch notes yesturday i believe.)
Aki San they kinda fixed it, my game runs better and I can aim down scope without freezing now I’m loving it
Ruben Fraser
They made it worse for me. I lost all skill points and fast travel stations.
@@agent004skin You shouldn't have lost your skill points. If that happens respec and you'll get them all back.
I think Gearbox needs to nerf Anointed enemies. In Mayhem 3 they can have more health than mini bosses and when you have to fight 2-3 at a time and they go immune or just fill the whole battlefield in fire becomes ridiculous and annoying quick. I’ve even dropped down to mayhem 2 a few time just so I didn’t have to deal with the bullshit.
Agree. When the anointed take longer to kill than the boss, something is not right..
Antivoid exactly. I’ve watched people and I have burned down boss with Flakks crit build but every time I fight anointed I have to use my action skill and then run trying or back up trying to avoid the ground that has mostly become lava.
Nah they are perfect.
One of the proving grounds is impossible in mayhem 3 they're so dumb
The shield one makes me want to die every single time
no more zane and moze screaming every time someone sneezes on them is definitely the biggest nerf here lmao. also hope y’all are having a great time in philly for owl, sounds fun!!
Moze screaming is sexy tho
Fl4k doesn’t need nerfed! Zane just needs to be buffed to their ability. These are supposed to be 4 badasses. Just make them all evenly badass
I agree, it's not a pvp game so having classes be insane should be a draw to the game... the other vault hunters should just get buffed to his highest levels-_-
As much as this helps Zane this still doesn't address the clear missing synergy he has in his trees. Half of his skills want shields up, half want them down, half of his skills want his health up, half want them down, half of his skils want him top speed, half want him near an area not moving. Its all over the place and I really think it needs to be looked at. You have to jump through so many hoops with Zane that it just gets old really fast.
Here are some source's for people that did the math for Zane and his horrible synergy/damage, one of which even references Ryan, and showed examples of why they don't work -
old.reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/d6rdte/jack_of_all_trades_master_of_none_zane_has_some/
old.reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/d651md/boring_math_and_the_scaling_of_the_violent/
What are you talking about? Plenty of synergy. Jack also has trees that wanted him to do opposite things, and he's considered by many to have the best Synergy in the series.
You pick a route and go with it. Its not rocket science.
What wants you to stay still? The Barrier that buffs movement speed and lets you pick it up to move with it?
Zane has buffs for max shields, "Half want them down" is a VAST overexaggeration. Healing him when his shields are down for example, just adds to the effectiveness of "CCC". Its pure synergy at its finest.
Lmao. Amara has actual tree confliction.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Clearly other people are agreeing with me. I never really played TPS but i did watch plenty of playthroughs of it. Jack may have been like Zane but he actually put out damage and had competent AI accompanied to his clone. Zane's clone shoots 3 shots every 2 seconds and aims at everything but what you want him to aim at. Add on that it has 1 hp 100% of the time and then you get a horrible action skill.
Zane's synergy issue is that pretty half of his way to get more damage is by doing the opposite of what you are doing, be it stand still/have shield, whatever.
Also from what I've seen Zane is the only VH that has yet to melt nearly every boss available at mayhem 3, I've seen amara clips all over both reddits about her abilities, must not be all that bad if she is literally better than Zane at everything Zane is "good" at.
I noticed that. I got a rough rider and a mod that deals more damage the lower your shield. But to get to the health regen ability in green, i have to take a 5 points in a shield buff that does nothing 😡🤬. Done with that build.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 you get to the "more the less shield you have" skill, you literally have to have 5 points in a shield buffing ability. It's a slip up, but it still dumb design, now rough rider build can't just be that, it has to be a hitman build for the lifesteal.
@@LordtoRevenge Clearly someone isn't very popular on Social Media if 28 likes is enough to get you off.
*Not every skill has to work with every other skill.* Thats.. Thats kinda the point; theres enough variety for multiple different builds and players will make minor tweaks according to their preferences.
Look, you don't like playing Zane, its cool. Maybe you *want* to play Zane, just *cant* wrap your pretty little head around his skills.
All good. *Just go back to grenade spamming as moze*
I really want them to stop worrying about rebalancing for now.
And focus on techinal and qol fixes .
They have multiple teams at gearbox depending on the parts of the game they can code and did code. There's a bug fixing/optimization team, new content team, and a balancing team just as an example. Unfortunately since balancing numbers is easier then bug fixing we'll see more balancing then bug fixes. It seems like they want to release bug fixes in larger patches then multiple 10mb patches a day.
I feel like end game Fl4k was super OP, no argument there, but the nerf to the "Guerillas in the mist" skill makes him feel above average at best for a casual player who doesn't have all the gear that all those OP, one shotting bosses, Fl4k builds have... correct me if I'm wrong for thinking this.
@@cvd465 you wrong, been running gueirella in the most pretty much whole time pre nerf or nerfed. It Recs its op. Not even interested in other builds
@@karalas Of course you are running it you idiot everybody is that's not the point, don't reply if you don't understand the argument
@@cvd465 I understand the argument just fine, I am stating that even with garbage guns the build feels op. Maybe you shouldn't call people idiots if you dont understand what people are saying. My statement is in relation to that even filthy casuals realize how op it is.
How about instead of cutting off one character's legs, you give the other characters leg to keep up?
If you're referring to the nerf to FL4K, I wouldn't consider that cutting off his leg, this nerf is more like them cutting off a pinky toe. He will still kill bosses faster than most people.
What are you on about? Fl4k is still the strongest VH hands down and you're out here saying he's lost a limb. Is still killing Graveward in less than a minute too slow for you?
Daniel Gramento More like cutting off the third leg they have him when the game released and leaving him with just two legs like everyone else.
@@soloassassino9241 I like that much better haha. I intentionally chose a different character because I knew almost everyone would be playing him first
@@vaultstar168 fl4k is good at boss hunting and nothing else.
I personally like the changes except the legendary drop rates tbh its so much more fun seeing them fly out even if I already have it
Amen brother
What's the point of making it a legendary drop with lesser drop rates if you're just gonna see gold drops fly everywhere
I love that too i dont have the game to become boring tho the rate is still high tho im usually getting 2-4 legendaries from graveward UV mayhem 2 so ye
GB cant balance the characters pr skill trees so they just let legit players eat a boatload of nothingness? SHAME
@@robertterrell7057 im saving true vault hunter mode til maybe a level cap increase
I was hoping for some changes to Moze's ult considering by the sounds of it everyone just refuses to use it after a certain point. Oh well. Still looks fun to me and Ill be using it once I have the game.
yea once you hit 50 that ultimate of hers is useless trash as it gets nuked fast
Its soooo much fun, but yea, around level 40 you're much better off just buffing yourself with the bottomless mags tree. My favorite character regardless!
@@calebdemers3431 think its meant more as a oh shit button. but ive had a boss one shot the bear on me before so its basically useless
Yeah my friend got a legendary Jakobs pistol and he one shots most mobs. he rarely uses Iron Bear anymore, while i on the other hand love Iron Bear and made a build around Iron Bear's duration, armor and cooldown.
i only use moze's mech with the ''automatic'' upgrade, i hop in and out, its like having a friend
This makes me so happy. It seems like they are really trying to make modifications quickly to address broken items and buff the things no one is using. Hopefully they get to Moze next. Really hyped for the zane buffs.
Yeah kinda a bummer when you want to farm and you find out they nerfed farming spots. I think over all makes the guns and characters for fun.
BRUH WHAT ABOUT MOZES MECH!?!
Whats wrong with moze mech dude? Can explain
@@babyyyz7948 It becomes paper in Mh3. Like literally you get in and can be destroyed before your voice line finishes.
@@DekiTree It becomes paper even in TVHM without Mayhem mode enabled.
@@platinumpengwinmusic5564 what gear should i use with moze may explain
The only weapon of the day I bought is an anointed Jakob’s shot gun that’s 243x25. Yes times 25. Lol
Yeah that weapon also has a -60% weapon damage attribute.
@@demp6025 Of course it does. It'd be ridiculous otherwise
@@demp6025 0.4x25 is still exactly 10x normal damage! and more bullets with the jacobs passive is really good, imo. Does the gun consume 25 ammo per shot tho?
FacelessEnemy it’s 3 shots per pull. 8 in the mag. 3 pulls.
soo now Zane Players only have to spend 18 minutes unloading endless mags into anointed enemies, instead of 30? sweet.... ill be done with this TVHM M3 run just in time for Borderlands 4! Hopefully, the 100 anointed that i've been chasing me since the beginning of the game wont follow there too... (its easier to run than stand there shooting till carpal tunnel sets in)
You probably just suck tbh
This guy needs a guide lol
lul
Nah literally dude my buddy is Zane and we've played 3 days of game time since launch and he mows and carries me through mayhem 3 tvhm. You're doing something wrong lol
In my dudes defense if you are using the calm and collected unlimited duration build its kind of a bitch since the anointed resist cyro
What about his shield not giving you augment buffs while you wear it. Really just handicaps the whole tree
Yeah I was thinking it would help if the shield gave Zane a large buff if he carried it or a smaller buff to all nearby players when it's down. It would be better for solo play and add a layer of strategy to multiplayer.
Also, there's literally zero reason in a bl game to try and stand S T I L L
As far as the Atlas buff, this helps my zane out a ton. For my normal damage weapon I have a epic Atlas assault rifle that fires 2 bullets per 1 ammo and the damage before buff was like 901x2. It was honestly performing just as well if not better then some of my other guns (although I don't have all too many legendaries, and especially not the top end ones). Im glad they are making some of these changes to bring more guns in line with each other. There's nothing worse in a game with 1 bazillion guns then being forced to use choose from like...6 of them to use if you wanna do anything on mayhem 3.
how? just on normal i got tons of legendaries. in the early game you could easily "farm" the slot machines. once you had decent equipment and a decent build you just run around killing badass enemies and open loot sources (chests and potties). the rates are so high, you should get a legendary AT LEAST every 20 potties/chests you open.
@@AkiSan0 farm the slot machines?
yeah. esp. if you have the "money" grenade from the collectors edition (easier, but not necessary). up to level 10 you get a LOT of money/eridium and the cost of the slot machines is very low compared to your "income". just run around and play on all slot machines. i dont know if they changed the rates in the latest hotfixes/patches but for me i was around 1/20 for the eridium machine (so
@@AkiSan0 dude Ive thrown over 400 eridium in that stupid machine but Im yet to get a single legendary
What is the fire rate
How did Flakk's op abilities and Zane's lack of endgame usability make it past testers? Seems like something thatbwould come up with any amount of moderate play
You overestimate the amount of things they can catch with a small team of people playing the game before release. 5 or so people vs millions after release.
Also have to take into account that the testers have testers bias, they were probably looking at huge things like plot and mechanics and animations which lets some other subtle stuff go under the radar.
mcfry13 this is what im asking... How can they nerf everything basically because of flaks skills. Moze is kinda of an issue too but these issues are only because of their ability to regain ammo so easily on crits and causing the dps to be insane with high dmg weapons. Thus the torgue, jakobs, and soon to be probably shotty/sniper nerfs. Do they even remember borderlands is a stat based rpg?
And how can that buggy/laggy inventory menu make it.
how could that story make it past them is the biggest question...
I love the vladof heavy weapons in Borderlands 3. It feels like using an insane anti-tank rifle and it's brilliant.
Yes, but they did too little damage! Like you said, i love how they feel when using them. I feel like i am firing off the harkonnen from Hellsing, but with extra explosive bullets.
Im very lost as to what specifically "heavy weapons" is referring too??
@@ThePolarpop launchers dude, obviously
@@The_Sharktocrab the fact it says heavy and not launcher makes me think or thought it was launchers+ 1 or 2 other things
@@ThePolarpop idk maybe, not sure what else it would be though
Really dk why borderlands is nerfing its characters more than overwatch now
"If it took more than one shot, you weren't using a jocobs!"
Borderlands 3: well that doesnt sound ok.
Lmao “jakobs and torgue pistols are outperforming the others.” Didnt matter much with the Unkempt Harold tho apparently
I’m also a bit disappointed with the patch. But to be honest double penetrating unkempt harold was really OP but i remember sometimes farming savage lee for like 8hrs total to get one double penetrating one. So it didn’t really matter
Didnt know avout this so thanks for the update. If you could add a link on the description to patch notes that would be awesome for future videos of this type
REALLY hope they address the "bank-wipe" glitch soon and the one I'm currently stuck on in single player. It crashes every time I try and jump down the 'chute' during Space Laser Tag.
just use mules. they are a better and a "save" alternative to the useless joke of a bank. who ever thought that 50 shared slots are a good idea must be.. well lets not go there.. we got more legendaries than ever, but no space to gather them. lol..
@@AkiSan0 no second controller :(
shared bank... there is no need for a second controller. you can get to sanctuary within level 6-7 and around 30-60 minutes.
TLDR: make new char. go to sanctuary. empty bank. dont forget to use the bank to move high end weapons for money for the SDUs..
@@AkiSan0 Ohhh you mean use the new characters inventory space for it.
Yeah the bank needs a huge space buff. Unlike bl2 u could have 4 characters with 50 spaces but now it's 50 spaces full stop. It should be much larger like 200 spaces to compensate for builds and hoarding different gear.
Aaaand IM STILL WAITING ON A MOZE MECH BUFF !!!! WHERE IS IT GEARBOX !?!?!
They're probably still working on it man.
Honestly man
Bear needs like triple hp to survive a couple seconds on mayhem 3
I hardly use Mozes mech... Because it gets destroyed in under 2 seconds depending on how many enemies there are...
1,000 subscribers with no videos ? Yeah I just use it when I’m close to dying to get my shield or the move quickly
"...because it was outperforming other builds." It's outperforming other builds because the other FL4K builds are garbage in comparison. I agree it deserved a nerf, but how about some of the other playstyles get buffed? Like pet centric builds for example?
They're talking about other builds in general, it outperformed every single build out there
They need to buff pets and iron bear
Why do they all the sudden care about op stuff? Nerfing the pipe bomb is understandable. It’s a blue grenade and it didn’t work the way it was supposed to. But buffing bosses and nerfing vault hunters? Why?
Zane needs a buff. They changed him before launch and he ended up being dogshit.
We don't need another salvador or power creep
Longevity, no matter what people say it will get boring and it will be quick
@@warfieldgaming4858 This is what I have been thinking but everyone is sad that they don't kill graveward in 10 seconds anymore... why is that healthy for a game lol
Why? Have you played the game? FL4K is fucking stupid and the Graveward is a bitch-wall.
Me a fl4k main: *sadness noises*
Same bro
I mean... same comrade
I still feel the changes for him did nothing
Yeah I heaez its not that big a difference, its how you put yout points and what mod and weapons tou use.
8 to 6 seconds really blows. I knew something was up when playing today so i came here looking for the patch notes.
It's a PvE game. Why are they trying to balance it like its Destiny or Overwatch?
Damn Gearbox...
Making other playstyles and gun types and characters more viable is leads to more variety and is healthy for the game. (That's what I think at least)
Because its not fun to kill things in half a second?
@@xx_megamate_xx2508 There is only one viable build for fl4k in endgame. If they make changes to the stalker tree and actually buff the master tree for endgame, it will incentivize more fl4ks to branch out and try new playstyles, making the game more fun for fl4k players. (In endgame at least) Besides he's called the "Beastmaster" and ironically enough, his pets suck in endgame.
@@brahmruzek9305 That's why you buff the other stuff. Give more fun ways to play instead of making the fun way useless.
@@adiris8827 that's not what power creep is.
Power creep is when new DLC content makeS the old content less relevant.
Just buff the other stuff.....constantly nerfing things pretty much wasted the time of people farming it. Except the PPB....that grenade needed to die.
*See's Zane got Buffed
Zane Mains: *Begin Excited Dance*
Hold my pint
Hold my Ultimate Super Badass Digi-Clone with a *Hive!*
You couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
Ok yeah Zane buff woohoo but can we talk about the fact that Iron Bear builds on Moze are COMPLETELY useless and completely unviable for endgame? Like dude, I picked Moze to use a badass mech not to become a 1 health Flakker spammer.
I’m sure they’ll buff her, but someone that like that will be in an update
They should remove the diminishing returns on keeping iron bear up.
I mean all of Zane was useless in endgame compared to the other classes, that’s why he got the most buffs first. Moze is insanely OP and don’t understand why she wasn’t nerfed along with flak. Zane needs more buffs to be honest.
Gwynbleidd Roach he wasn’t useless, but he definitely need love
@@gwynbleiddroach2589 they are trying to push out patches at a decent rate so maybe they are just trying to deal with the most op things in order. I'm just happy they seem to be updating relatively quickly
I had to say this somewhere, I was laughing my ass off... so i was testing with zane a tediore smg that makes walking guns. I made as many as i could and killed some some guys, and Zane says "This cant be how you imagined this would happen..."
FL4K is over-hyped tbh, there are RUclipsrs and streamers out there finding builds that melt bosses with Amara much faster than with FL4K, so I just find it amusing. What he truly needs is a buff to his other trees and his pets overall.
DaftRabbit09 I agree on the pets they die to quickly and become kinda pointless
Agreed.
Hallelujah, this is it chief. Bear Mech and Digi-Clone too. I still think it's weird that Amara doesn't have a pet/mech/clone alternative to her trees.
@@chrisgironda1746 She's a siren, I doubt she'd really need it.
Shhhh, we don't need them nerfing Amara. She is so fun to play. Glad I went with her.
"if it took more than one shot..."
Doesn't let you one shot enemies 😒
Corey Christensen I mean you usually couldn’t before so...
Headsplosions pretty damn good tho
@@CarronBarboza bl1 u could bud
No more like 80 shots now might as well just use your fist that will do about the same with the right shield
Unfortunately that line really only applied to bl1,where jakobs were slow(unless you were gunslinger mordi)but fucking busted in the raw damage department.
Now they just need to fix the shield annoited enemy. He just keeps switching from one invincible form to another. Couldnt touch him for 5 mins straight
@@zivi3862 dude pulls out his shield and goes immune then rains down fire and goes immune. He can be locked in a loop where you cant damage him. Its bs
Yeah, why in gods name is he invincible during the fire thing? Shouldn't that, from a game design standpoint, be the best point to make him vulnerable? Not when he occasionally throws his shield every 10 minutes or so and nowhere else? Also, I cant tell if it's a glitch or not, but is he supposed to be completely invincible from every angle? You'd think if you shoot him in the back, it'd do damage, just like the other shield guys, but it doesn't. I had to exploit one, because he came in the ma/pa mission where you have to kill an entire wave of oncoming enemies, and I had to stand in the electric fence with the Transformer shield and wait for him to be vulnerable for half a second so I could shoot him once or twice. It took like 20 minutes.
Speaking of the Atlas changes, Ive got this little Atlas assault rifle that BEFORE this hot fix dealt 740x2 damage a bullet. Had low fire rate to start, but a 30 something round magazine. With my Zane build the slow fire rate isnt an issue, so this thing is just gonna be flat out better and make it even harder to find a different AR like what I want now lmao.
I hope they don’t just stick to nerfing the performing builds for characters but instead buff the underperforming builds, as much as I love Fl4k crit hunting, I want to be broken with Rakks too
Unfortunately the vocal minority doesnt like things to be o.p. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@Grym I want it to be a possibility but have to put a lot of effort behind it. Not just being granted that power.
Elemental damage is affected by the size of enemies? I never heard this before
Well, a mouse might be burnt a little in a 338 radius fire then and elephant will. 😂
Surprised they didn’t buff Moze’s mech at late game. Especially the fists
Don't need a much when you can 1 tap everything with the exploit
Honestly it is not a competitive game, things shouldn't need to be nerfed. Buff things sure but a buff is always better than a nerf. Nobody cares if you wanna use the pipebomb to melt a boss, or Fl4k's fade away to get crazy crits and such. It doesn't effect anybody really, if you don't like it play with friends or by yourself. Gearbox has always been a little too nerf happy, content with taking away the fun by hammering out "problems" they should have either fixed or left alone with balance issues. They nerfed the Bee and broke skills like anarchy in the process, but did nothing to Sal who is and will always be the most broken character in the series. You can even look at battleborn and how instead of buffing the weaker characters to make them more fun, theytook the fun away from the good character, well before a meta could even be formed around them.
I love Bl2 but the more I see of them, the more I hate Gearbox.
You realize gearbox isn't the only developer who tries to balance there game bungie, digital extremes, bio ware hell every developer does it
@@kaidosleftnut5830 If there is a competitive aspect then of course it needs balance. But with Gearbox, they are doing it to a game with no competitive side, a game designed to make you feel badass. So they go and take your toys and make you feel like less of a badass for "balance" that effects literally only people who want to do those things. Borderlands especially never NEEDS nerfs, if some guns or grenades or whatever is OP, then buff the other stuff, instead of taking away fun from the people who want to play that way.
Further more they clearly didn't finish BL3, and are just going back after selling frankly a mess of a game that they hyped so hard. Nerfs are the least of this games needs right now, when I still have a hard time playing split screen, or even reading the damn text. These nerfs aren't just removing fun from the game, but are taking priority from real issues.
"Slightly adjusted"
Cut damage in half
Reduce time by 25%
I think someone needs to know what "slight" means. No, not the insult.
The 25% crit damage nerf from guerrilla after accounting for unblinking eye comes out to roughly a 11% dps nerf
(+0/75/150 averages 75% for 1.5+.75=2.25 former cd compared to the new 1.25+.75= 2.0, 2.0/2.25 = 88.8% of old dps)
The duration however has been quite noticeable and I dislike it.
@@jamesmiller5277, I appreciate you typing that out and while I'm not necessarily complaining about it, I'm just pointing out that 50% damage loss and 25% time loss is not close to being slight (not including unblinking eye). I feel like it should be considered substantial, but I'm just arguing semantics.
I have yet to try it out before I really complain.
@@LaserStorm117 Having tried it out, the damage is still monstrous between all the other modifiers on fade away. The duration nerf however always feels off as I'm used to it lasting 3 more seconds.
The King/Queen fire rate nerf however means I can no longer phase skip Tyreen while dealing 1/4 damage due to modifiers. Which honestly I approve of.
@@jamesmiller5277, that's a bit refreshing, at least. It will take time to acclimate to the reduction in time, I suppose. I didn't get to try out the Queen much because my bank was deleted. I'm very apprehensive to store anything else in there, so I'm riding around with 3 free spaces in my inventory t-t
With it being PvE and our character information being stored on our hard drives (not their servers), as well as bank space being shared, you'd think we would get more item allocation to the bank. Just throwing in another complaint, I guess! It is pretty absurd and rather paltry.
Holla at that Vladof heavy buff, I Love the look of those weapons. I love the models so much i swapped to all Vladof for the Matched Set bonus and got the Demotion Woman capstone so i still proc splash with the fast fire Vladof weapons. Add a sweet buff to that my 21 round mag Micro Rocket Launcher is gonna wreck.
What even counts as a heavy???
@@ThePolarpop Weapons that have the rocket launcher icon. Most Heavy weapons will also be held on you characters should expect for Atlas which is like an arm mounted thing. In old borderlands you only had rocket launchers but now in 3 different manufacturers make 'different' types of heavy weapons. They all do explosive damage, but some fire rockets while other fire mortars or fire like an auto-cannon. I personally like the Vladof design so to me a buff on the manufacturer and weapon type i use is awesome.
@@ThePolarpop i.ytimg.com/vi/JnMgr0-kxXo/maxresdefault.jpg This is a Legendary Vladof heavy. In this picture you can see it's not a regular rocket launcher and unser 'Legendary' you can see the Heavy Weapon Icon or a rocket launcher looking icon which now means all heavy weapons.
I am going to enjoy the maliwan buffs, i have always been a fan of maliwan but the low damage and charging kill it for me in BL3, hopefully buffing fire rates and damage makes up for it
Here we go time to watch gearbox ruin their game with "rebalancing" patches based on the youtube community
Ryan if you could somehow get someone at Gearbox to see this.
Its a start but still more needs to be done for Zane. Of course they didn't touch the Under Cover tree(Barrier Shield). Amp damage from barrier shield should be boosted up to either 35% or 40%. Barrier shield doesn't block all projectiles like it should. Sometimes when fighting the same single enemy their gun shots won't get through the barrier shield but then they reload and shoot again now their shots are coming through.
[ Barrier Shield Duration]
Duration of the barrier shield should be longer as well. Say for the cap stone skill in under cover in addition to what it already does for every 2000 points in capacity that your shield mod has the duration is 1.5 seconds longer. Example if you have a shield mod with a capacity of 10,000 that would add 7.5 seconds to the base duration of the barrier shield.
[Digi-Clone]
In EVERY video that Gearbox has with Zane in it he uses his clone as an evasive ability. Inches from getting hit Zane teleports behind his attacker with his clone taking Zane's former location. Why isn't it like that in game Gearbox? The whole reason I chose Zane is cause I thought he'd be a very elusive target for enemies to hit with him having a clone. Please make it happen. So many times while fighting I forget that his clone doesn't work the way you guys (Gearbox) show it working in videos. Gun reticle points in the direction you want to teleport on the 1st clone summon and afterwards you and your clone just swap places like regular.
[Ammo Regen]
For christ sake just make ammo regen like it was in Borderlands 1 where regen ammo goes to the overall reserves and not the magazine. Half the time the mag ammo regen doesn't work where you'll have to switch to a different weapon then switch back to the previous gun to get it going again. I rather have to reload my gun than a unlimited mag that sometimes work.
[Bank Space]
So Gearbox saids there is over 1 billion guns but only gives 50 bank slots spaces, like seriously guys. Dropped the ball so hardcore there.
so... Moze is still Moze :(
Shes just fine dood
@@PreferablyPurple iron bear isnt
they are nerfing the only viable build for fl4k so there's that
@@PreferablyPurple I have a friend that plays demo moze and I just can't play with him anymore cos I don't get to play the game at all, by the time I ads and shoot 2 bullets into an enemy they are dead cos of the nades that are flying around. It might be a personal problem but with all the issues with the UI, the performance and the insufferable bugs, I'm tired of it. And I love the game to bits :(
Iron Bear mech is worthless endgame why has Bungie....I mean Gearbox not addressed this? Guess nerfing everything is more important.
11:25 It's fine as long as they leave in Troy screaming like a little ***** while proclaiming himself your new god at the same time :3
Yeah, that sh!ts hilarious
not sure why nerfs are needed in a non competitive game...
Gavin Farley Well you aren’t supposed to beat every boss in seconds on the hardest difficulty because you found 1 semi-rare gun...
Balancing.
@@oreohunter7798 Why?
I wanna see a buff to Zane's skills that increase damage with movement speed. I saw data that said that even at full speed, the damage bonus really isn't that great. If this were buffed, it would be a complex yet incredibly fun playstyle.
They need to stack kill skills for Zane he would be extremely strong if that the case
Then entire point of Character Builds in Borderlands, in general, is to be OP so that you can melt enemies, not make them sponges. Thats what made the replayability of BL2 all the more sweeter.
@scott thomas but if youre a fan of shooting tons of ammo into an enemy after 10+ playthroughs, then more power to you. Enjoy how you want to enjoy.
@scott thomas Im not referring to bosses, I never once said that. I said *"ENEMIES"* in general, which includes Badasses and low ranking bandits.
Dont force someone elses opinion on me and learn how to properly interpret a sentence because you and I are talking about two different SUBJECTS.
My boi is getting a buff?! Hell yes!! Can't wait till they raise the level cap so I can put a few more points in my Zane and perfect him
Luis Santiago whats your build centered around?
@@seancostello5636 drone and digi clone. Kill skills and all that. Just want enough points to give my clone a copy of my gun.
Luis Santiago ayy same here build is nice as it is but this buff will make it so much better
Same
scott thomas u on xbox? Would love to see the gear and build that u have it sounds unreal
Isn't the firerate "nerf" on King's and Queen's Call sort of both a buff and a nerf? Now hear me out, i'm not quite sure if it's just me but i can click really fast and end up emptying my mag before any of the crit shots land, due to the projectile speed, meaning i'm stuck into a reload animation even though i just hit him with 8 crits (the 2 original pellets and the 6 extra ones) so isnt the decrease to firerate technically both good and bad? it'll stop you from being too fast at distances but it also decreases your burst damage at point blank ranges so i honestly don't think we'll feel this one too much.
I tend to agree.
How about next big update...."Bank Space"
@scott thomas yup like everyone else lol
Not a good idea to put "zane got buffed" in the title AND have zane be the thumbnail lol i (and probably everyone else who doesnt play zane) completely skipped over this video thinking it was just about zane! luckily i watched a few other borderlands 3 videos and this one came on automatically which is when i realized it was actually more of a patch notes tldr which i definitely would have actually wanted to click on.
Honestly if the damage got nerf I dont think the time should be nerfed and vise versa. I think both is a little too much
The Crusader yeah i knew the time had to have been reduced while I was playing today.
Something I'd like to see for Zane is a change to his barrier. Instead of getting a lesser (or oftentimes no) bonus if you carry it, why not make it so Zane gets a large bonus to himself if he's carrying it and give a lesser bonus to all ally's near the barrier when it's down. It just feels like you're shooting yourself in the foot if you're carrying it. Would that be broken?
they needed to fix it.I have another idea "nerf kunai"
Zane was my first character and I focused on the clone tree and the drone tree my clone is gonna be sick as fuck now especially with the weapon duping skill
I was hoping for more buffs to the useless trees outside of zane. Moze only can use iron before mayhem and the pets are pretty useless as well. Amara seems to be the only VH thats in a decent spot. Im sad about the queen and kings call too.
It said the fire rates were nerfed by 50% but my calls went from almost 11 fire rate to 3.1??
Joke's on them. I'm a heal FL4K main. Just watch, soon Burst Aid is going to get buffed to encourage diversity and you will all be begging for Heal FL4Ks once raids start.
*laughs in ProZD*
Holy shit @RyanCentral just got buffed!!! We in here boys!!!!
So nothing on Moze...........
I'll have to check my Night Hawking when I get home... that thing was OOOO PPPP.... My drops are 380 right now, and I have that gun at 300 and it STILL out performs my other guns.
Damn i liked gaurdian angel
I’ve only played flak so far and today was the first day the game has irritated me with my newly renounced constant failure to kill anything. I stopped using the Gorilla thing and tried to use a sniper but it’s just so penalizing when you miss a shot and it’s cool down is so long that the ability should say “Get 3 free crits per minute as long as you hit your target with each bullet and your invisible but enemies will shoot in your direction.” I’m now playing Zane 😅
I also thought Fl4k was kind of OP since he has some skills that could become outright broken when Future updates and extra leveling comes
Exactly what I was thinking when playing FL4K. Lol.
yeah man imagine level 60-70 fl4k...
This is good! I'm still playing as Moze but can't wait to try Zane!! 👍👌
Can you do some amara builds?
I build a glass canon sniper build on zane and its actually working very effectively compare to what I thought it wwould turn out
I think its better to buff others rather than nerf
You cant buff indefinitely. Or all the classes become to powerful for the content which kills the game quicker via powercreep. You need to do a little bit of both. Can’t go to far on either one
@@TheHinni1234 could u not just buff the content too ?
Nereik that would make the initial buffs meaningless and have no impact.You want to nerf a little and buff a little to find a sweet spot and meet in the middle based on the contentzIts definitely the wrong move to nerf anything into the ground. The nerfs aren’t a major deal this time around. Flak is still melting bosses. He needs 2 fade aways instead of one right now for graveward with the kings call. Not a big deal
Keep in mind people that they are releasing changes as they work on it. If the changes you seek haven't come it means it will soon. Some thoughts on scaling for clones, pets, and mech, just give them the same bonuses as the enemies on the mayhem levels it might even things out.
The in game fl4k nurf is actually 5 sec not 6 and it makes the augment pretty useless.
I still instakill most bosses (-invulnerability phases) with my Fl4k build. Definitely not useless.
@@brayden6876 Bosses and only bosses as it stands. Most bosses are really squishy, even in tvhm mayhem 3. We don't have any real raid bosses yet. The 5 second nerf on top of the crit damage nerf is too much.
@@Captain_Hapton yeah, not just bosses. Fl4k is still insanely good for pretty much everything. His static weapon buffs alone are enough to warrant playing him. I have 0 issues melting anything down to molten lead and asscheek soup with him and a Lyuda/Smg. Still top tier and rivaled only closely by a top tier Amara build. (Not counting any of the obviously busted ass 1 shot Moze builds)
@@brayden6876 I just really don't like that they're already nerfing things this hard 2 weeks into the game, especially not only on their most popular character, but their most popular items like the queens call and all other jakob's pistols. The weapon nerfs didn't hit me that hard because I use a crossroads and butcher, but I have a sinking feeling that they're a few more hotfixes away from nerfing those too because they're "outperforming other weapons".
@@Captain_Hapton that's the thing, they got nerfed because they actually were outperforming other weapons. The whole reason they nerf items is to prevent a power creep, which eventually makes the game overall too easy and boring. I don't doubt they'd nerf The Butcher, OR Crossroads. The crossroads has been in my loadout since I got one, and its literally the best SMG in the game, essentially giving you absolutely no reason to use a different one.
Night Hawkins is gonna be even better now huzzah!
8:15 hold up, you also had everything in your bank disappear!? I just had this crap happen to me last night! We’re you able to get everything back?
Nooooppe
😭😭😭
Happened to me too. My backpack is just permanently full. I hope this gets fixed soon
That is why being playing offline before the hotfix
Hearing the FL4K nerf to crits was shocking, but the real damage doesnt come from the 50% crit, it comes from the augment that boosts crits per shot and resets on the third
I am sad they are looking into the ammo return ability, since some guns like the doom shotgun is only viable with ammo return imo
Also if the fade away is too short for you, spec into the master skill that boost action skill duration
Amara didnt get much of a nerf imo, and I'm glad they boosted Maliwan stuff, maybe I'll use that android smg now
I’ve played 3 VH all except Zane and amara seems to be the ONLY one to have multiple viable endgame builds which is kinda sad
Yeah, I mean FL4K can have a pretty decent pet build, gotta go with the skag though cus it has the most health, or it seems to have the most
Moze can do the infinite mag build, infinite booms build, or just a super tanky 1hp build, Amara can do the same but with her own shiz
Moze and Amara seem the most versatile, but every class tree is viable with the right items
Jacob Nobody I agree, but flaks pet isn’t too good past mayhem 1 or 2 and moze is good yes but her iron bear which is what she should be using to get stronger is a walking trash can when you get into mayhem it’s kinda hard to not give the best vh to amara since launch
I mean, yeah, amara is best VH and mozes Bear is so weak, which sucks
But they all still have viable builds, ya know, although some are better than others
Lame should just buff stuff not nerf smh
WTF is wrong with you, if they don't need busted things like flakes obviously op mist and buff everyone else then it becomes a power creep where everything is a joke.
That's how you get power creep lol I agree you should always look for buffs before nerfs but nerfs are just plain warranted sometimes
so basically they nerf fl4k but buff the rowans/lucians call and the lyuda? seems counterproductive.
You dumb
Where the the Zane mains in this game that didnt complain when his damage was lame?
Not me. I switched to fl4k and was already better in mayhem 3 at level 30-something. Also this update didn't change much, his damage is still lame they just buffed his deployables which were never the strong part of his kit.
The motto should now be "if your gun kills them with 18 shots. You know youre using a Jakobs."
I feel I am the only one who actually love Zane 😂😂
Went into my bank and lost 38 legendaries...this is game breaking for a shooter looter and I’m not the only one affected. There’s a tonne of posts. Wtf is going on with this game
Same
Yes zane buff! Just hell yes!!
i'd been a sub for overwatch central for a while, and recently i subscribed to this channel for the amazing bl3 vids, and only now that you mentioned the overwatch league that i connected the dots and figured out you are one of the owners of OWCentral. how dumb am i? lol
Why tf are they nerfing characters in a non competitive game? Thats so dull
exactly
If you don't understand why then explaining it would be pointless.
Because powercreep does infact ruin games.
@@dallasray225 Then dont waste your time talking to me lmao
Dallas Ray powercreep will ruin the game if they leave blatantly broken stuff in the game. There is a certain power level where gearbox wants everything to be at, so some stuff has I be brought up to that power level, others down. If everything is brought up to the highest power level, or the most powerful builds/weapons in the game, this is called powercreep. The reason this is so bad is because it makes all the current content in the game and absolute joke, removing any challenge whatsoever. It also negatively impacts new content that gets added as it will be forced to be much harder to compensate for the increase in power. Leaving everyone with what will be a single build and gun combo for every class that is even viable. That is why it is necessary for both nerfs and buffs. However I am generally not in favor of sledgehammer nerfs.
I am totally ok with the reduction on the crits from 50% to 25% for Flak’s action skill but i just hate the duration from 8 seconds to 5 now! It is 5 seconds now not 6! This totally messes up positioning for damage phases for me.. so annoying! I always went invisible from out of sight to get in a proper firefight position using Flak’s skill and now it is over too quick 🤬
Yayy! Zane getting a buff means it's a good day. And that sniper buff means that I'm gonna be using the Woodblocker ALL the time. I originally used it for the memes but I actually love it, It consistently one-bursts badasses at mayhem 3 tvhm and hopefully it'll be good enough to use as an all round weapon now.
Edit: Haha, the fish and chips analogy was very accurate. Gave me a good chuckle
Yeah I haven't seen anything that makes me feel like a badass in MH3... I just feel like a Fanatic going up against scores of vault hunters... it's annoying you have to perfect a build just to be viable end game. I miss being able to slog through until you got that build then you just punished everything.
yea i miss my Maya skill build. Didn't really rely on weapons so much as my phaselock was badass and actually was useful. Now, for my Amara, I rarely ever use her action skill except for the occasional "oh shit i gotta stop him for a second" moment. And now they are nerfing elemental damage on enemies(i know its just graveward now but its only a matter of time) essentially forcing us elemetalist builds to switch to the melee build. So much for giving players more build diversity. I had more diversity in BL2 than i do here.
My Zane was already a killing machine but now... it's going to be DOUBLE!!
I'M THE FAKE!!!
I'M THE FAKE!!!
@@Sacrocide you couldnt hit a cows arse with a banjo!
That guy right there was sweet talking your sister!
Wow thanks for making the mh3 way fucking harder than it needs to be, added on with the reduced loot percentage, this seems to be a great idea
took me 2 seconds to make a broken fl4k build that kills even faster
gearbox cant nerf my sweet boy
What's your build now?
What did you change?
What's your build..
also your guys fade away last shorter now ?
@@deflategate1297 The duration nerf shouldn't really matter that much. With the current build (max out Red tree for 20% crit chance on shots fired and Active skill duration lowered per crit), you can get Fade Away back up almost instantly (not to mention Active skill CD reductions from Guardian Rank), so losing the duration isn't as important. You will get Fade Away back up again after like a clip or so with a fast fire rate or multiple projectiles weapon.
The dmg cut definite kinda hurts. You're losing a lot of dps from crit dmg, unless you made up for it with Guardian ranks + Crit dmg on gears. You probably wont be able to one shot bosses with a single Fade Away in Mayhem 3, which I think is healthy for the game. Badasses and Annointed enemies should still melt with one Fade Away and you can get it back up by shooting trash mobs, so that aspect shouldn't be changed too much.
The bank clear is hilarious ... lost 20 legendaries one time then thirty something another time. Classic borderlands
Why they got to "balance" a PvE game where enemies just escalate to higher levels in end game and we gotta farm to get OP weapons anyways.
Zane changes are welcome. Everything else is quite unnecessary.
to avoid power creep
Just started playing Zane and noticed his base DPS was pretty weak. I welcome that change. The Amara thing doesn’t really matter with the health regen, especially if you have the guardian rank perk that gives full health and shield.