Borderlands 3 | Fl4K Buff, Moze Nerf & Zane Is Utterly Broken (New Patch)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Borderlands got another hotfix and with it comes some buffs to Fl4k and a nerf to Moze. It's fairly small in comparison to last week's change but we're also talking about how Zane's abilities don't work as intended! We also talk about the new event going on at the moment and if it's any good!
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“Pets no longer push around players”
Thank God! I can now play the slot machines without my jabber telling me its time to go...
Hes telling you have a addiction get help my good friend your pet needs you lol
I know your pain
Now I can finally read the stats on loot without being tossed around like a prom date
His fucking noises drive me insane! We need a muzzle attachment for the pets lol
@@realscoobs I haaaaaaate when managing my weapons and hearing him growl smdh
zane utterly broken!
me: oh hell yeah they finally buffed him! i can't wait to
Ryan: no, he's literally broken and half of his skills don't even work
me: oh...
Lmfao! I got fooled too haha
lmao, this was literally me. I was like "fck yeah" only to be let down by which broken he meant.
My heart got crushed
This is exactly what i thought and i got so fucking excited.
When will my Irish boy get love 😥
“We wanna make action skills useful and balanced”
Meanwhile, Iron Bear is a giant walking trashcan lol.
Exactly
Facts
If they're going to buff iron bear, then they're going to nerf Moze first.
I agreed!
The IB is a fall back if needed for me. Never bring it out otherwise.
“infinite grenades was never an intentional build for moze” there’s literally a tip in the loading screens that says to try out the skill and give infinite grenades a whirl 🤨🤨
Lmao ik
@@CommunistPenguin-bw2mf On the gearbox vip website, there's also a bit of text that literally states that fl4k can have unlimited ammo in fade away (or something like that). They are literally killing fl4k. His only good build got nerfed into the ground :(
John Webb they are buffing his other ones he’s not that bad tho I have a bunch of random greens and still do pretty decent damage
Bacon Bitz on which mayhem modifier are you doing good against mobs with flak with greens?????
They’re just lying through their teeth
How about making cutscenes skippable after your first play through? That would be great.
Yes this so much.
Or just skipable in general would be nice but that makes to much sense so it's not gonna happen
If you delete them in your game files I bet it doesn't play cutscenes anymore.
After I beat the game first time (Flak), I just started a game with each of the other 3 characters just to get that forced opening over with. Now, I never have to deal with it again. Unless I take the other characters to TVHM which I actually may not do. It's totally feasible to get to 50 on Normal with Mayhem 3 active doing all the side quests you skip on the first playthrough.
Then if I want to play them on TVHM, all I have to do is join someone else's game that is past the opening cinematic and I'm good to go.
I timed it on someone's playthrough and when claptrap finally lets you move it was 8 1/2 minutes
How about they nerf the intro when the game starts up. The sound of "GEARBOX!" Is so loud it shakes my house
If you are playing on pc, this can be skipped pretty easily. Just open the epic games launcher, open settings, then scroll down to manage games or something like that. Select Borderlands 3 and then check the box about allowing command lines. In the box, type this exactly: -nostartupmovies You may have to restart the launcher to take effect but if it works correctly, every time you start the game it will skip the loud intro and load straight into the game menu. hope that helps!
Steven Hoover lmaooo facts
@@scottbradford1119 You are a saint
@@ericqhochuli6004 glad I could help man, those intros were driving me crazy!
@@scottbradford1119 You're the real MVP.
Keep nerfing the only usefull skills and dont boost the weak ones... yes
Giving Raaks 100% status chance doesnt count I guess??
@@spencersantiago7263 with such insignificant damage at high level It still doesnt worth It i guess
@@spencersantiago7263 dont anointed and most bosses are immune to status?
Game is too easy now not too hard, keep saying ignorant bullshit in comments pretending to be helpful or useful.
Can't stand the direction they've taken these patches. Half the abilities don't work in the game, among the vault bug, performance issues, etc. and they care about...what? So far they've bought no meaningful fixes to Zane, nerfed Fl4K's only build, nerfed the loot and so much more.
Screw this. I'm downloading the trainer off of Nexus lol
Seriously, the only good action skill in the game was fl4ks Fade & they nerf it, instead of actually making all the others fucking useable
Fl4ks build was an obvious problem. Literally required you to get one of like 15 guns and nothing else and you can instantly melt any boss on mayhem 3 the moment you complete the story, and it's still disgustingly strong, just relies slightly more on specific weapons, like many other insanely powerful builds in the game
@@Melficzeero Sure. But he still has only one viable loadout.
@@AndJusticeforAll567 they're doing small balance changes with stuff that is obviously unbalanced while they work out what to do for larger overall balance changes. That's normal for a game like this. Give it time.
@@Melficzeero i think that how they're doing things is vastly retarded, because keeping nerfs coming without buffing the character in return only worsens things. I mean leave no trace is now unusable and they already nerfed him before. And even until now it feels like they haven't played their own damn game because playing on the blue tree to make the pets relevant doesn't even work because your pets cant kill anything under maybe 4 minutes on mayhem 3
Who knows, maybe one day pets and Iron Bear will actually be worth a damn
Pets do alot of damage when you go down the master tree. Otherwise they are just bullet shields
Pets will never be worth a damn Unforcantly even if they scale pet damage skills have to start at like 100 for one point because they are SO bad and even then they can't fight 80% of the bosses oh and the pet skill tree is super duper weak the damage reduction doesn't work
The only pet that is a walking tank when it comes to damage is the Skag the Jabber and spiderant are just walking bullet decoys 🤧
1 ammo every 2 secs LOL. They are taking way all the fun in this game, anyone would think it was a PVP game, yes we all know it is comming
That IF it is 100% chance lmao gear box trying too hard to nerf fade away fl4k. Leave no trace is now useless to me. I might just put in 1 skill in it but i think even that might be waste.
@@user-vq1op2zg6w interplanetary stalker is pretty good with the bounty hunter legendary class mod. Thats what im about to get instead of leave no trace it is literally the only option lmao.
Yeah they completely ruined the ability. So fucking dumb
That's what i thought. The skill is completely dead now. If you're using any automatic weapon you're gonna be reloading by the time it can trigger a second time. Not worth it at all
Nah, they won't do pvp, (I don't think their seemingly spaghetti code could handle it) they're just terrible at balancing. I remember when they kept nerfing Zero for no reason in BL2.
Oh good, now I spend 80% of my time in fade away reloading...
Bruh same here we on the same boat gearbox nerfing everydamn class on here when we get ultimate vault hunter we going smacked hard.
@@jayrowe4059 so true, they want to bring every class down to zane level instead of bringing him up. Honestly surprised the moze nerf was so small.
Bro fo real they talking about not having unlimited grenades but have a skill on moze with ever crit u have unlimited ammo. All classes need buffs not nerf. It feels like this going to be another anthem we're they nerf so much shit. And no new vh whaaaaat the classes going to get stail we need fresh faces.
This change caused “leave no trace” to barely every trigger. I have a 60% chance to add ammo but don’t get any before I reload.
@@CaptCrunchx7x as a zane main i feel attacked lol
Oh wow, everything actually makes sense now. Friend and I were doing some math and figured something was wrong. Didn't know it was a bunch of skills not working as advertised. Thanks for the info, man.
no problem bro.
Maiq The Liar VII why are you saying no problem?
Not Ornstein I’m inforgreen3.
Maiq The Liar VII who is inforgreen3?
Oh just realized your name is the liar
AHHHHH IVE BEEN WOOOSHED
Not Ornstein no I’m the guy who made the reddit post
Did they not play test these vault hunters before releasing the game? Like how does Zane have soooooooo many broken skills?
Yep, thought about that too. Like, can't they predict that majority of the people will only use only certain type of skill tree since the others are so lackluster in the end game?
They literally did not test the game ahead of time. It’s clear they rushed out a half dead product so they could make money at the expense of the player base
Zanes broken
Fl4k fucking sucks unless you do crit
Pets and mech doesn't work
Its taking the Pissing calling its self a 60 dollar game
Hello! I’m inforgreen3
the guy who tested every single one of the skill on Zane after initially noticing that double barrel didn’t do what it was promised.
I’ll be working with Ryan central testing these again on Sunday. He’s working around my schedule sorry about that guys! But I’m still a college student and there is a biochem test Friday that I am comically unprepared for. BIOCHEM 1320 AT MIZZOU! It'd be hilarious if I found a study budy on this comment.
Iv edited the reddit post a few times and removed a few things because I noticed that there were bugs that only applied in brawls and I noticed
there were also 4 bugs that were ninja patched at the September 27th patch! I hope they keep that up in this patch. Less work for me and Ryan.
I also found a few new ones preparing to help with the video like the bad dose dot, but since I tested everything in brawl and vs cars, I don’t know if things like baddose do work but only in hyper specific situations.
It may be more correct to say for all these bugs that they don’t do things “consistently” until we can test it in every situation but come on. We’re trying to get these fixed.
Given that this patch, hopefully might also have ninja patches we’ll be testing everything that was broken again. Thanks for putting up with that Ryan. This is kinda an honor. Expect a more accurate summary of bugs in the actual video we make, compared to this (which actually left a few out)
I do suppose I should try to clarify futility belt if it’s so confusing. I thought I was decently clear but the bug is pretty specific
When the futility belt kill skill is active elemental damage is supposed to be converted into non elemental damage. But it converts into a sort of true damage where non elemental resistance from adaptive shields, the perk stiff upper lip, and futility belt’s own passive, won’t reduce the damage even though they could against normal non elemental damage. It’s kinda confusing to say because the bug doesn’t apply with sources of damage that already were non-elemental.
As for how this effects you, when futility belts kill skill converts elemental damage sources to non elemental, you will not resist this damage from any non elemental resistance you may have. (General damage resistance still will work) and if you are taking fire or cryo damage on shields, shock damage on health, or corrosive damage in general, you will also take more damage as a result of the wrong element health type penalty being uplifted. Of course you take less shock (and rad in TVHM) on shield and fire on health. So that’s nice.
Also transformer doesn’t work. Don’t try that. If you want to keep your shields full by doing shock damage to yourself, don’t get futility belt! It allows was-shock-damage to damage you
PSS
the according to someone else i didn't credit. The person i was doing these tests with, my brother, told me he already tested it. I don't know if he did, he might have just wanted to get out of math and skip right to distributed denial, but i trust my bro. I found various other tests on reddit but never found the same result twice. I think the skill is just painfully bad at knowing exactly how fast you are moving, depending on you know. Ping and frame rate and if you're the host and stuff.
Too many variables, no conclusion can be made.
Ps this patch ninja fixed multiple skills from double barrel to confident competence.
Ryan and I. Well. We may be making a boring video. But that’s a good thing I guess
Maiq The Liar VII Dude thank you so much for looking into it. You’re leading the charge for Zane Gang to finally be a thing.
If you havent, then use Kevin for testing some of the things that dont require kills or taking damage. He is immortal and wont be affected by mayhem modifiers since its in Sanctuary.
Appreciate the time you put into this, our boy Zane needs more love. And go study for that test dude!
You are a legend for this but study for that exam. Big brain vibes good luck.
Wanted to let you know, that at least the movement speed buff from the sentinel augment did apply before any patches. I dont have any proof or did any testing on it. I noticed it alot in my speed builds (see my channel for two super fast zane videos) that without any kill skill active and just the sentinel doing the debuffing I had multiple time increased in speed, BUT I can not vouch for the stacking part.
TL;DR: Yes, my movement speed got increased, but not sure if the stacking works
Fl4k is a glass cannon but the way they keep nerfing him needlessly he's eventually just gonna be a block of glass.
Bro pay the green skill tree wtf is u talking guys
"FL4K got a buff" then skips huge nerf he gets and pretends that the HUGE nerf isn't bad....
2 different updates.
No. OP is right that they did another Nerf to FL4K. This hotfix reduced the chance of ammo being returned by crit shots by putting a delay on the ability. They already lowered the time for fade away earlier now with a delay on the ammo replenishment, means your spam attacks like hellwalker or other shotgun builds are less effective. Rakk attack status effect is still garbage in mayhem 3 even with annointment increase damage by 50%. So ease of gaming is nice, but FL4K 's most viable build got another nerf.
Hope that they quit that stupid coldown for the ammo rege for critical shots, I mean, if I play with a 1 mag size shotgun I have to wait 2 seconds to have the CHANCE for getting the ammo? Or if I play as a sniper I have to shot every 2 seconds to see the profit of the ability? That nerf is stupid
Let's not forget that Gearbox has a tip on their website(another commenter stated) recommending us to try the exact build we use because we could have infinite ammo.
They completely killed the viability of kings/queens call. Fl4k was really the onky character that could use them effectively. They nerfed the time fade away lasted then added a timer to the ammo regen? Come tf on.
I think it's become pretty apparent that this game was somehow rushed.
No way should a character have half of his skills just outright not work(and it's not just Zane)
That, the performance issues, the story, and mayhems uncreative modifiers
I agree. Especially the mayhem modifiers. It's one thing to buff enemy health and damage like in borderlands 2, but to have random modifiers that can straight up reduce a build to nothing or make it godly based on silly percentage buffs and nerfs is unfun.
Not to mention the modifiers can literally roll in a way that they straight up counteract each other (+50% elemental damage, -50% elemental damage).
@@chrisgironda1746 I don't think they're additive.
Sometimes you'll get a modifer like - 50% all guns, and - 50% shotgun damage.
But shotguns will still do damage
Which means a +50 and then a - 50, or vice versa results in a net -25%(100 base damage * 1.5 = 150 * 0.5 = 75)
2 sec cooldown for a %30 chance skill = The skill is completely useless.
very true, ill be getting out of that
Yeah still should be okay with hex and storm thou
@@Don11037 Or quesar
Yeah don’t even put points in that skill now sheesh
Dead of Nuclear Winter I’m using the radiation hex and I did the update, still instantly get my grenades back
I guess all us zane players have been playing the game in very hard difficulty? LOL.
As a Zane player myself, i hope they fix those issues with the skills!
Good video! Cheers!
Nope they’ll just nerf all other characters down to his level cause that’s how balance works right
Exactly! I even beat the game before his first buff and here to find out he is still weak sauce! I still had fun though!
@Charles Hastings the buffs he still needs hasn't even happened yet. Sure his drone and clone do more damage but all his bonuses dont even work at all!
I play him currently very defensive with most of his undercover skills and by spamming grenades which get restored by killing enemies. I think that works very well for him.
I fkn knew it lol.. This is first bl game ive bought.. Picked zane cuz im Irish lol and man its been a hell of a ride so far.. How slow is he when he takes a bit of damage.. I swear the Spring in my control stick is nearly fked because of this.. Only lvl 24. Gonna. Stick with him tho..
“No more new vault hunters”
Nerfs the only VHS we have
As much as I wouldn't want re used content, I would love to play as Kreig and Gaige in this game
Sylver Rose they are trying to encourage build diversity, many of the characters hypothetically have so many ways they can be played.
But when you have characters like flak who have a skill tree that can melt everything with ease and others that aren’t strong enough to use, why use anything else?
@@stubbornmarbles exactly my point
@@stubbornmarbles Well, when they nerf 2 of Fl4ks biggest and most versatile skills, it certainly weakens him alot.Thats a whole playstyle for Fl4k pretty much nerfed into the ground.He excels in jakobs torgue and sniper weaponry, but now the jakobs shots do decent damage, they have low magazine sizes so you pretty much just get a 25% critical bonus on like 12 bullets at the max, torgue sticky bombs or even weapons like the flakker were a big source of damage, but now they do quite a bit less and take up much more ammo, and snipers might be less affected, but even they were nerfed.All that put into question leaves only about 2 or 3 different playstyles that most likely wont even be as effective at original fl4k was.Dunno why no one was complaining about nisha, Salvador , Timothy or Aurelia. But when Endgame Fl4k takes only about 5 minutes or less to kill graveward or Captain Traunt they nerf him straight down into asphalt
I still don't get why they're not adding more VHs. Randy's explanation made no sense to me.
It’s more like they keep buffing offline glitch mode.
I can't play offline on pc tho, sadly
@@BRIARFLEET yes you can, just make an outbound rule on windows defender firewall, to block borderlands 3. You can still use the internet everywhere on the computer, just blocks it on bl3.
@@BRIARFLEET You can, just turn out/disable/plug out your eternet/wifi before launch the game.
@@deonbekende OH shiit it does work, damn i just went all week without it bc i moved and thought the epic store doesn't support offline mode. My apologies.
What does offline mode do for you in pc?
Can we get a skip cutscene hotfix. I legit stop going through TVHM because I can't do it 2 more times on my 2 50 characters...
For real. I got 4 characters almost ready for the 2nd play through and I just use youtube when those cut scenes happen
Wouldn't be so bad if the majority of the cutscene/story/characters weren't total fucking ear cancer.
Bru fo real let me get that skip
Seriously man... I hate having to replay the boring beginning of the game and going through unskippable cutscenes just to have loot mule characters.....
“You wanna year a story EHH?!?!”
I really want to see a buff to cars too. In tvm3 they get destroyed instantly
I get it but don’t hold ur breath. Been that way since bl2. Cars don’t scale well
They buff vehicles in bl2 so they'll eventually update it
They should make the car shields very strong
Hell, the should fix driving as well. There's no reason for us to fishtail constantly while trying to drive straight.
@@viiiRA_ yeah the driving system is corny just copy gta 5. WTF
Great, my bank just got deleted and now my favorite character is being nerfed. Thanks Gearbox
Yep had my bank deleted a week and a half ago. Totally sucks dude. Had 50 legendaries. Luckily i went for a moze and zane character level up so the nerfs dont really effect me.
I lost 40 level 50s and then seen my class get nerfed 4 times. Fuck these Devs.
@@presidentsloane7937 ya they're really ruining their game it's such a joke. Why would they take away entire playstyles it's so dumb. I'm pretty sure if they see it on youtube, they're gonna nerf it. I mean, regardless of anything no build was op on mayhem 3, they're such idiots
If you're on PC then copy the save folder every time you move something in or out of the bank. The save file is named profile.sav. I copy it every time I do anything with the bank.
@@kennygroth4938 eh, grenade build moze is nigh unkillable with recurring hex plus bloodletter. And with the infinite hex grenades she just deletes all the enemies
"Hey guys, even though the harmless thing that was broken was fun, we've decided to nerf it. Not really gonna fix the other broken things about the character, or buff the actual underpowered shit, just felt like the people who were having fun should have less of that."
Assuming you're referring to fl4k being buried with the latest nerf
They just buffed Fl4k'S Rakk Attack and Pet BuildS????? And they have been buffing Zane.
GTFO with the false narrative "WAH WAH GEARBOX NEVER BUFFED ONLY NERFED." Some broken shit needs to be nerfed. People are already facerolling endgame content TVHM Mayhem 3 two weeks after release. The game is going to die if everyone played overpowered bs and get bored because there's no challenge left.
@@Aliens1337 Are you new to the series? Been playing years of bl2 and 1 while"overpowered". Don't understand how it can kill a game with no economy or competitive nature.
@@putticksgaming192 And his last nerf and moze. His pets and her mech are shite so instead of trying to bring the fun up for other playstyles they lower those to a lower level. Doesn't really give you many more options, just makes what you have to work with a little more annoying. I'm glad his pets are getting a buff but it'll take a lot more work I imagine.
@@Aliens1337 Yeah that's why people rolled the last game with sal, because it got really boring being busted. My complaint is that they go for the fun shit before upping other builds to the same level. If you like nerfed fun that's on you.
If they wanted to keep leave no trace ammo return within expectations they should have lowered the return chance not a trigger delay now we only get 2 extra shots in fadeaway absolutely ridiculous
its way to much free damage and ammo and synergize way to well with flaks ability overall just like the grande nerf was sort of big i think both was needed, after all the nerfs its alrdy 100 % certain flak will still do most dmg by far compared to other vault hunters
ville nilsson they completely trashed this tree now synergy is a good thing its never a bad thing. He doesn’t play the same at all anymore because of these changes and they didn’t buff anything else enough for him to be viable in mayhem 3. Meanwhile zane and Amara both have skills that literally dont work at all zane being the one thats worse off iron bear is complete trash. I wonder why fl4k outperforms so much. And i’m not saying he should melt bosses the way he does i’m against it i dont think its even fun. But what they did here is just hot shit garbage in my opinion and ruins what was fun about that tree. And they dont even fix what matters more about other characters. The whole situation bugs me
@@WobiKabobi instead of fixing the performance and the not working skills they try to balance purely pve game which was never balanced.. man gearbox really has gone to shit and I'm already disappointed with the story. The gameplay is fun but the story is hot garbage fucking streamer shit with feminist trash let's just kill all cool character and focus on ava
Buhnkiller exactly
Buhnkiller and ava is annoying as fuck too lol also gets maya killed too like wtf
So sad that zane is broken, shame cuz I love playing him. Better fix him quickly.
Not that he feels particularly underpowered, but super keen to see how he performs if these skills aren't operating correctly.
Honestly if you’re used to playing Zane as is right now, imagine how much better he’s going to be once he gets his kit fixed. It’s guna be nice
@@waitwhat2035 this is true, we can look forward to it one day. 😁🙏
Ion know but zanes life steal kill skill doesn’t really work for me like it would be active but i dont gain any heath when shooting things but that just might be me doing something wrong
@@socckks Some of his skills don't work! I don't feel the life steal either, man.
Lol, my skag pushed me into Tyreen’s pit when I was in my menu once 😂
“BAD! BAD BOY!”
🤣🤣🤣 this is funny
“...and at the top of today’s top 10 things that most definitely didn’t happen!”
Dom Crawford I was in my menu as my buddy was boosting me from 42 to 50 after I finished the campaign and I stopped at the top of the ramp and went into my menu... *shove* 🤷🏼♂️
Classic
He is not a bad boy! *He is the goodest of boys!* 🐶🐕🐕💕
That Fl4k nerf absolutely slaughtered fade away.
So they nerf every cool build. Iron bear is still crap. Probably the only enjoyable build left for me is Fl4k with sniper rifles and without guerilla in the mist.
Guess it's time to take a break and come back when they finally finished all those nerfs and changes. It bothers me ALOT that my favourite character keeps being patched. Gosh let us just enjoy being strong, it's not a competetive game...
The leave no trace nerf was so unnecessary I didn’t even complain about guerrilas in the mist being nerfed (even though they took off even more time then they said they where going to) but leave no trace wasn’t even broken it just made the game more fun nothing better running around with a hellwalker and just keep getting free shots
@@breadwinner541 Yes I agree. Funny thing is, fade away with guerilla in the mist was still playable after that nerf in combination with leave no trace, since you could get out alot of shots to compensate those nerfs. It was still specific to certain guns, but still good. Now they kinda removed that build completly.
I don't know man. This doesn't feel like a Borderlands game. In BL2 everyone could have their "OP" skills and everyone could be OP. Those nerfs and stuff feel like I bought an unfinished game, which is still good, but not as I expected THE Borderlands game to be.
And I just saw a video about Zane's skills not working properly. It was like half of his skills not working at all or less damage than intened. Serioulsy, this game is unfinished and not playable right now imo.
Daniel Naumann actually iron bear is great if u know how to play, been my main since day 1 👌
This is why we need a target range so people can test this stuff easier.
But there is a target range
am irrelevant not like borderlands 2 there isn't
Jesus Christ, some of my favorite Zane skills and passives barely work.
Right? I mean i got excited when i deal some damage. Until i realized, wait a minute holy sh*t that was my clone dealing the damage not me lmao 😂
Great the build I just spent a week building gets nerfted just my life
Same
same...
Literally farmed a hundred hours for my build and now its completely useless. Fuck this game. Went from the best borderlands to the worst in a couple weeks
wiredspider exactly -_-
Bit fucking dramatic guys
So basically...
Zane: *I’m only using 10% of my true power*
My Cryo Zane is already top tier and he isn’t even at max power :o
I still think Zane is pretty good, I'm currently trying out the high speed zane which is fun. In all honesty, the skills that apparently are broke are skills I don't really ever use except for violent momentum lol.
Zane and top tier in the same sentence. Good one.
@@Kaiji... i wanna see 👀👀
@@Kaiji... nope
Finally someone uses the word Broken in the correct meaning.
One of broken’s definitions are : “having breaks or gaps in continuity”
Which can be applied to anything not working as intended regardless of positive or negative connotation.
Edit: grammar
@@Kerwell Zane would have been fixed a while ago if we werent too busy calling FL4K and Moze broken tho
SoberVision that like, has almost nothing to do with the information relayed. However, I’ll appreciate your effort.
@@Kerwell I wasnt trying to. I was just saying....
Glad someone said it lol
I want to see skins that change your character model. Something that actually changes your clothes instead of just colors
I know right??? The game is getting worse, offline mode it is
Exactly!!!
I bet they're saving that for the *paid* dlc. No reason not give that option in the base game. Pretty sure people really wanted that along with many other things.
sebasgo i mean, yeah. But it’d be cool
Sure is good to know I've basically wasted 30 hours playing a character that is broken.
Really regret not starting Siren now...
Same
i thought you would regretting not starting fl4k and be getting to 240k xp per 10 second with greywarden killings. with the respawn included.
michael bruun pedersen trust we flak players are paying for it now cause they are determined to make him unplayable at endgame
@@HavocTheWendigo i know i only have a fl4k character. felt no reason to pick an other. i might try out sploosh moze next. not sure.
Watson Day Apparently a lot of the Sirens skills/passives don't work either. I'm tempted to just play something else until they fix this broken mess of a game, got 50hrs with Zane & kind of feels pointless now lol
those boss changes are hilarious
just how out of touch are gearbox lmao
Gearbox: Moze seemed really weak in her iron bear aspect
So we nerfed her exposition build
A Zane change I would like to see is when using a Maliwan weapon and the digi-clone is active, the digi clone switches the gun’s element based on what Zane is using. It’s frustrating to fight flesh targets using a corrosive/fire Maliwan weapon and the digi-clone is using corrosive instead of fire.
Sure would be nice for them to buff Moze's mech before they start nerfing her kit. I realize it's a minor nerf, but FFS that mech scaling is atrocious.
Got to level 25 with her and realized that it was not doing anything useful
I don’t think it’s a minor nerf cuz that also means the ammo return is just useless now. Now the amount of useful perks in that tree is 2.
@@Wrat_ You can still have infinite rocket launcher ammo, if you have a launcher with multiple projectiles.
Its on its way, no biggie.
Exactly how flak players felt, nerf his only good abilitiy and didn’t buff his bad ones
They've had nearly a month now to fix these problems and it seems like they are dropping very minimal fixes here and there that are mainly gun balances and vault hunter nerfs. How about you fix the serious lag issues and skills not working before throwing out nerfs. Time to get your head in the game gearbox
How about you learn how software development works?
I am not saying that Gearbox do everything well, but man, software is a complex thing. Of course you'd prefer whatever you want be fixed first, but what if someone has their game crashing? Or, you know, a completely improbable thing of losing Bank contents?
Of course you can say "they shouldn't have released such a shitty game than", but then I'll just ask you to release your own game of better quality :-)
@@orcjmr As a customer I have a right to an opinion. The things you listed as priority fixes are what I'm saying should be priority. Game crashes, bank issues, lag and stuttering issues but instead they are releasing balancing fixes. These are important but not as important as the quality of life issues. And it just so happens I know a thing or two about software development and coding. When you have a staff of 100+ people working on hot fixes they don't take long especially when you know what the fix is. it takes longer for sony and Microsoft to approve patch files than it does to actually code them. Lastly, you telling me to make a "better game" would be totally redundant as I am 1 person. This one person is voicing his opinion on a gaming developer with maybe 200 employees as a whole.
@orcjmr Maybe gearbox should’ve pushed the release back so that they could optimize their game’s performance before it releases. Kind of ridiculous that the game still performs so poorly.
So, either the vault hunters are getting nerfed down or have skills that aren’t working correctly. That sucks.
No the broken infinite grenade glitch exploit had been reigned in, and Flaks worst tree got buffed so it's not fucking terrible lol
Honestly don’t think u listened at all
@@SuperPokekami reigned in? Lol more like made worthless, kinda all moze had going for her in mayhem 3
D4ddyf4ts4ck 106 yeah, pretty much
Im honestly just going to play offline from now on
Yeah I'm trying to find different builds for Flack. I just dont see the dmg for him in fade away any more. I feel like the nerf was how it was supposed to work at launch. They gave me something great at launch then took it away. I knew it was going to happen, just didnt think it was going to affect me that much.
Stick with your main man, they’ll re-adjust and buff him again, maybe not for that build, but to make others viable, gearbox doesn’t plan on making more vault hunters as of rn so have faith they’ll balance everything out
Honestly pretty over FL4K getting his critical build nerfed, when they need to significantly buff his other skill tress. At this point, I may need to put the game down and wait a month to then adjust to all these hot fixes and buffs.
Fix the bugs in the game, and stop nerfing! This is a PVE not a PVP
Especially bad if you just play solo anyway. Don't nerf my single player fun ; - /
Yeah I'm good playing this game for a while.
Agreed. I probably wont be buying the season pass either. Ive had far too many concerns with how they're "fixing" the game. The loot nerf was my starting point. This game is about loot... Why take away the thing we love to hunt? I'm tired of playing alone and offline because I still need a specific legendary that has no source. If I play online I get 1 world drop every 5 kills... Absolutely terrible odds considering 200+ items are world drops.
Facts bro
This is the problem with games these days. These developers are releasing half ass put together glitchy, nerf buff stuff. I'm tired of playing a game and they change something and now I have to farm more stuff. I've returned my borderlands and got my money back.. no longer a fan of borderlands
leave no trace nerf is brutal. basically a useless skill now
Gotta love the Borderlands 3 community.
If something is not utterly OP and Broken, it becomes useless and unusable.
Yup
@@CedricBassman it went from grabbing 100 ammo per fade away use almost to grabbing maybe 3. Thats useless
@@CedricBassman a 2 second cooldown to have a chance to add 1 bullet to your mag if you crit doesnt sound useful to me. it was valuable because you had the chance to chain multiple procs if you could keep landing crits. in that case you are rewarded for skill.
Yeah I feel they went the wrong way with this one but theres still a moze 1 shot build and they keep nerfing what makes flak fun.
Wait wait wait wait wait...
... Moze nerf, she needed a Buff for her useless IRONBEAR. Her Granate 2 second cooldown is also pointless. 🥴
Moze is the strongest character in the game now, her mech could use some buffs but so could FL4K pet builds/Amara melee builds/Zane under cover builds.
Its not pointless lmao, 2 seconds is a long time during a firefight.
@@BRIARFLEET That's what i mean, now you need to be aware of this colddown! Or you running out of granates...
The thing is, it doesn't even nerf the intended build.The problem with the skill was that tesla grenades would tick for damage SO often, that you were getting more back than they intended.The more elegant nerf/fix would be increasing the tick damage, but lowering how often it did it. It would be the exact same damage per-grenade, but it would be less of a massive synergy with this skill. Now though? Now it pretty much means that you can ONLY use tesla grenades because every other kind of grenade with this skill is worse :')
@@AuburnInAutumn yea flaks pets are useless as shit if you use the spiderant and jabber they die way to much. amara melee builds fine, zane needs buffed insanely but still rekts shit. and moze desperately need an iron bear rework cause its useless outside of being an oh shit button.
Where is the damn buff to iron bear? Thing sucks on mayhem.
I knew i wasn’t crazy! I kept telling all my boys that I feel like his skills don’t work, and look I was right
I keep getting wrecked as Zane in mayhem. I can hardly complete proving grounds. All other 3 character feels fine.
Same I honestly thought I was going crazy and raging that either my build sucks or I just suck then switch over to my Amara and shred. I love Zane but his shit broke
I play Zane in my friend group and we have been joking constantly on how he’s either no damage high speed or no damage and unkillable
Not trying to be rude but if you aren't doing damage with Zane you're not playing him right. You won't be shredding bosses as fast as flak or moze but you should still be able to drop enemies.very fast
@@ThridenGames Right.
ThridenHD Zane is asscheeks and you know it
@@Zneedle You clearly haven't played him and only listen to RUclipsrs opinion. I main Zane and he's a good character. His biggest problem is the fact that he has to be moving in order to buff his damage not his drone or digiclone. He's not busted he's a well rounded character and I have over 2 weeks active hours into him. Maybe you should try the character and pair the right weapons and gear with him.
ThridenHD What build do u run with him
Bro, would Gearbox please leave Fl4K Alone!!!!!
He’s to op
@@tarvix7139 whk the hell cares its a pve game. Make the rest op too and scale the enemys accordingly. They just take out the fun
@@tarvix7139 too OP? What are you smoking?
Amara can literally 1 shot graveward on tvhm mayhem 3.
Moze was able to have infinite ammo(including rockets) and grenades (before the nerf)
Flak had one viable build that relied on infinite ammo from crits to do half of the damage amara/moze did.
Now his key perk is useless making his dps a joke.
Now his Fade Away allows one magazine to crit for every bullet, maybe 2 magazines if your weapon has a quick reload.
Flak's fade away is so short of a duration that you can only kill 1 or 2 enemies and his other abilities are garbage.
So what makes flak OP? Is it his gargantuan hitbox?
Maybe his miniscule passive health regen?
Or what If; hear me out, maybe it's his lack of crown control/area damage/survivability?
You know what, forget it.
His pet that dies to a single psycho and his 4 seconds of invisibility in mayhem 3 will make up for all of his lacking areas.
Don't worry flak players, we have Rakk attack! Which is basically just bad grenades :D
It's a pve game... who cares if hes op. On top of that, Zero can still one-shot invincibles in bl2
this is a nerf for flak not a buff
why don't they just buff the other skill trees/ action skills instead of nerfing everything 😔
They need to make sure that the game on mayhem 3 is hard for players so collecting items /and for specific builds are not obsolete
Because they don’t want it to be as easy as it was, even though its borderlands. They obviously intended TVHM M3 to be much harder than it is.
Because the flak fade build was too strong, moze inf grenade was too easy to run through groups of enemies with 1 button. People need to really think about this stuff. You will get really tired of doing one thing all the time. I'm glad their trying to bring in some build diversity.
@@nomadicriders8630 mayhem 3 isnt challenging since you can just save quit until even the worst builds melt enemies
@@Mustang1984 so why not just make other builds viable (talking about moze)
Yeah Ill get tired of spamming grenades(not really, just playing along)
But what else am I supposed to do when all my guns do half damage and enemies reflect shots back at me?
Should I hop into Iron bear and have it get instantly melted?
Maybe I could run 1hp high damage build and hope I don't get damaged through my shields for some reason
Makes me sad to be a Zane player when literally half the skills don't work.
I love him and he is really good but when hes patch it's on 😈
speed build is good
This should make you feel better ruclips.net/video/82fxrmRHr9A/видео.html
corruptsoul3 if you don’t want to play him anymore till he’s fixed and you’re on Xbox reply and I’ll boost any character of your choosing to 50 or until you get bored.
@@ninjahaz0180 Thanks, but I'm on ps4 and I'm working my way through the game again.
All this is going to do by nerfing "leave no trace" is making all of the calls that have that ability on the weapons naturally the weapons you use. People like that playstyle and will continue to play it. Of all of the ways to get people to use more of the action skills nerfing the one build that can work at the highest level isn't the way to go the other action skills don't do enough to warrant use make them better not fade away worse.
I like that playstyle and after the 4th nerf and a bank clean out I will no longer be playing this game lol.
@@presidentsloane7937 It's frustrating that they keep "fixing" the balance in our single player game.
Buff the other trees before you nerf, Borderlands is supposed to be ridiculous and I was honestly let down by half of the skills compared to the guns.
I still love this game I've loved borderlands since the first. And I u understand that that build was too strong and a nerf was warranted but I feel like it was back to a manageable level and wasn't too good anymore. But it's the favorite playstyle because it's the most interesting and fun to build around and the ammo return nerf is what made me mad because it didn't solve the problem with crit ammo return because the calls exist. It only stops people from using a larger pool of guns.
@@Atlas7153 yup, no more Hellwalker or Lyuda on Graveward.
@@BlackWat3rGTR Right! Those were my favorite
How about instead of nerfs to a certain character they just buff the others?
I knew Zane was broken! It felt like he wasn’t hitting as hard as he could. Great to see that it’s finally been noticed.
It seems Gearbox never played their own game with Moze on Mayhem 1-3.... Iron Bear gets destroyed within 1-2 Seconds. I really would like to run around with a Flamethrower, Ice Minigun and so on but its just impossible -> + 25%dmg + 150% health should be the minimum as a Buff or new Class Mod!
To be honest I’m shelving this game until the new content comes out.
I personally don’t have much reason to play atm I want to play as my other characters but they really need to skip cutscenes. The story was really weak in this game and I’m not interested in setting through it again
I agree completely
Bye bye 👋👋
Shawn Boley I feel the same way.
My thoughts exactly I have no willingness to go through the game again I did one playthrough and just shelved it.
Ditto, I'd have to be crazy to level another character before they get done nerfing everything.
I was wondering why mayhem 3 is so frustrating as Zane
alex parker it’s frustrating in general when 4 zealots and 3 rocket launcher wielding badasses shoot an extra projectile on all attacks and all your guns do 50% less damage
Constantly popping shield to protect yourself and throwing out drone then killing everything with one pump chump on mayhem 3
So zane walks basically without skills, thats why he feels like underperforming compared to the other Vaulthunters.
FL4K: basically worthless as Ava
Zane:......
Moze: “nerfed”
Amara: can still 1 shot enemies
Jeremy Lister Fl4K fucking shreds
Yah fl4k shreds but not as insane as he use 2
Yes I saw this coming. Which is why I'm amara
L4Disillusion Amara is going to get nerfed after people found a bug that gives her a 2 second cool down time
I wonder if there going 2 BL2 cloud kill her like maya
The fl4k leave no trace change is the final nail in the coffin, nerf kills his fade away build. Im not going to play anymore until a community patch comes out that undoes the nerfs
“i’m not gonna play until my favorite character is overpowered again”
@@anthonybarragan3473 more like "I'm not gonna play until ANY build for flak is viable" the action skill duration is 5s therefore you now get TWO bullets back in your mag during gitm so flaks damage is neutered. The only op VH left is Amara, she can one shot mobs and bosses alike lol shes always been more broken than flak.
Im am extremely pissed off my the Moze nerf. My current build, using cloning hex nades, instantly and repeatedly procs splash damage regening grenades faster then you can throw them. They then tick crits repeatedly, heal you, and are HOMING!
Not updating. This is ridiculous
That build will still work, u just can't rely on the hex damage now, which honestly wasn't the selling point of the build andyway imo. If you wait 2 sec in between each throw you will still have infinite grenades. Additionally you can just pick up a flakker and the legendary class mod which boosts your splash damage the longer you go without reloading and you won't have any problem in mayhem 3
@@SolidSteak01 the 2 seconds is still a big deal. The grenade I was using was terribly underleveled and only made up by having strength in numbers. Now id be better of using any other nade TBH
Why are they nerfing heroes in a PvE game? Urgh...
This game is so unfinished is insulting... and I love borderlands
Yeah this game is trash.
This launch plus how they've talked to the player base plus other things make this just anthem all over again and this loyal community is to stuck up and blind to admit it
Cuz they spent a bunch of time praising and programming fixes (like preloading) for Epic Shit Launcher instead of actually testing the game
Fuck it. Im going back to what is now the better of the Borderlands games. Borderlands 2
the game is finished. what do you mean? i will admit some of these nerfs sucks though but that doesnt make the game unfinshed. its just balance.
I find that the clone augment that upon switch the doppelganger should be targeted doesn't work the always target the og zane
It works for me. Obviously not every enemy will target the clone but ive noticed the majority do if they are closer to it.
@@BRIARFLEET Its common sense that they target the clone if its closer to the enemy. The augment should be guaranteed aggro deflect until they recognize another source of damage incoming.
I feel like this is the case too. For the skill to be worth it, it should draw most of the attention. I found that I had to switch places multiple times before enemies would target the clone so I could crit them afterwards.
@@sobervision1049 Yeah, guaranteed aggro deflect for a few seconds and after those seconds are done they should indeed have to factor in other sources of damage and distance to the enemy to see what they should target.
Due to the nature of my tests, i was unable to test any perk that rellies on or manipulates certain AI behavior. I can neither confirm nor deny that that perk works
nerf a broken game, thats how you retain the quality of this ... lol..
I feel like a 2 second lockout on Leave no Trace is too high tbh. Something more like 0.75-1s instead would be more reasononable imo.
More like they should just leave it alone or at best lower the chance from 36% to at the lowest 20%. Makes no sense to destroy his only meta build. Now he can only reliably use Rowan's/Lucian's/King's/Queen's call with GiTM.
@@oEXTRA the ability is still insanely powerful with stuff like the lyuda, because it's a massive damage increase. Just use the lyuda then switch to one of the other powerful weapons while it's still up
@@Melficzeero no it's not. 1 extra shot with lyuda every 2 seconds at best is nowhere near "insanely powerful".
@@oEXTRA I meant guerillas in the mist is still insanely powerful. His meta build isnt destroyed in any way. It's been nerfed from disgustingly overpowered to very strong.
@@Melficzeero his meta build is still usable but now extremely limited. Though damage wise he was OP, in every other way he's lack luster. If they really wanted to balance him they'd make the other action skills comparable to fade with GiTM. The little buff they gave to rakks doesn't cut it. Both rakks and GB need work.
Moze's Iron Bear needs some kind of scaling with TVHM and Mayhem modes, along with adjusting some perks that buff the mech so it's even stronger (like more armor or the bubble shield being much stronger).
Iron Bear is basically paper, and Moze is a nuclear shelter (and bomb).
WHY ARE THEY NERFING?? JUST BUFF CHARACTERS THAT NEED IT, ITS A SINGLE PLAYER GAME LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN
no it is not. it's coop aswell tf
This is why they are the devs and not you sir
@@turbo558 beat me to the comment
Aiden Rhodes that is also why they are getting a lot of criticism
Aiden Rhodes your saying it’s not a single player game lol
Unfortunately, outside of just using them for the sake of switching things up, the other 2 action skills for Fl4k are inherently less useful than the cloaking one. I mean, i dont really see the point of using them period.
True. The initial gamma burst explosion is very underwhelming + the empowered pet makes no difference since the pet itself is basically useless. Rakk attack has strong augments and the damage is decent, though they're very unreliable. I imagined them being similar to bloodwing but their auto targeting is kinda wonky. If I send 5 of them into a crowd there's a good chance that 2 of them will come back flying back without hitting anything.
Ya its their own fucking fault they made a dude that goes invisible and constantly crits during it. Like who tf would use other shit
the rakk attack is actually okay at clearing out enemies but you require gear and if you meet a tougher eneemy you'll have a little longer kill time but the rakk is for clearing and fade is for bossing but the gamma is just useless even with guns having 65% radiation bonus damage while gamma is active.
Matthew Stephens I rather use the burst but the damage is just too low and the pet is just a lil too squishy
@@michaelklog good to know. Got a level 14 fl4k
Moze: Action skill is still literally useless end game and does nothing but explode, but her only viable build option (explosions everywhere) has been significantly nerfed by cutting out one of her potential build options (grenades) entirely, leaving her primary damage output entirely as "find one good Legendary and just use that". It's literally all just "increase splash damage and add damage and damage from explosions and exploding damage". Those are all of her choices.
So yeah. Great. Moze is even more boring now
Yeah, im starting to see a pattern here. There is.. or was rather, a few fun/goof builds in the game, lets nerf them. Oh, a new good build has emerged, NERF! bcause why would anyone want to have fun crazy builds in a pve looter shooter....
Look into infinite mags and deathless artifact, plus vampyr and the legendary class mod that converts health into shield
@@wetrat1120 im running this build, and it's now the only good build on moze, bcause they nerfed the other one. Next patch they'll probably nerf this one too, bcause it's too fun?
The delay trigger does not even matter for her infinite grenades. Enemies constantly drop ammo such as grenades and you can space out your explosions.
@@splicedbread yeah, i for some reason heard/read that it was a 12 second delay for the perk.. 2 seconds doesn't really effect the build. But they said infinite granades is not an intentonal build.. so as it still works, they'll nerf it more in the next hotfix.
Had I known this game was going to be a mess and the charecters were going to be heavily nerfed I'd have never spent a penny on this game.
I spent $100 on this damn game! Now im going back to 2 because thats the only one thats fun.
@@fa11outking777 yep they got me for 100 too
This is why I play offline for now cz of the bs changes from characters to loot....and this is why u DONT nerf shit, BUT buff weaker skills , gear , etc cz when u do NERFS it makes things and characters OP , like for example when they 1st nerfed flak ,Moze and Zane became now OP ...just leave EVERYTHING alone and let us enjoy the game , it's a pve looter shooter so it's not a big whoop cz u DON'T play AGAINST other players
I think people are just genuinely being entitled gamers. I'm really not sure why people have been freaking out, since nothing that's happened has been terrible. Like sorry you cant just cheese through shit and have to actually play now lol
@@niakdrolrevottv it's not being in titled to anything , the thing is that us gamers pay our hard earn money for their games and we tell the devs what we want in it and it's either they DON'T do it (or do the opposite) , or do shit that we DON'T ask for ...it's the principal of it , now I myself never cheese a boss or let alone a game cz I want to get my moneys worth of actually playing it , once u start popping nerfs then u get an in balance of things in the game , once again no nerfs BUT buff weaker things so they can be up to par , and that with all games
Sean Oliver Zane hasn’t become powerful at all and people need to stop bitching their easy mode character FL4K is getting nerfed too bad kid he had his spotlight but he needs this tone down very much so
@@Darkneonflame13 idk about Zane yet , he's the NEXT character ima play once I'm done with flak ...i just hit TVHM so I'm farming for the 10 top legendaries at level 50 , so idk how OP he is (Zane), BUT I'm speaking on the topic in a general prospective , but I'll see how he is in a day or so
Sean Oliver he is garbage because his shit doesn’t activate at all you clearly didn’t watch the video, you saw FL4K get nerfed and cried that’s bluntly obvious
Can someone explain to me how Fl4k got a buff with fadeaway build? Just seemed like a nerf to me
Umm...
They nerf 2 characters but where my moze iron bear buff
Tell me about it, I wanted to call down a Titan, not a walking piece of wet tissue paper that shoots marshmallows!
@@goodbyejeffery true it would be easy to balance it. Just add maybe 30 seconds to its cooldown
So they keep changing the viable skill trees and the items to go with the new builds without increasing bank space?
As well the healing effect of the Zane's barrier augment only applies when it's down not carried and also does not heal his clone when it's near (floor or carried).
So now FL4K's crit build is garbo, thanks Gearbox.
The OG Bruh calm down you just have to reload sometimes now. He’s still broken.
Dragon Cat Sage nah dude he is trash now. I have hunted for the best possible anointed gears for flak and obtained them. Most of my items are above 550 power and on mayhem 3 pre any nerf the crit build was struggling against anything other than a boss that stands in the same general spot. All these nerfs are directed towards crit flak graveward farming. But when you take flak elsewhere to do actual missions and shit on mayhem 3 its no walk in the park. Death after death. But nah lets nerf the shit outta 1 character because of 1 specific farm. Ive also gotten to around level 250 and it doesnt matter. If the "best build in the game" cant do mayhem 3 missions then why the fuck are we nerfing it. Rediculous.
@@dragoncatsage3049 but that was the point of the skill... so that I wouldn't have to reload. Now it's pretty fucking useless.
@@dragoncatsage3049 even before this nerf to FL4K, you could make an argument for both Moze and Amara being equally as powerful as FL4K (although, I would argue they are both better at killing mobs). The GiTM skill does not last long enough to help in most Mayhem 3 mob battles, and the cooldown can still be harsh if you are not getting kills (which is not easy to do outside of your action skill in Mayhem 3). Now you don't even get enough ammo back on crit to make a difference when using anything other than a "call" weapon (of which the two best were also nerfed into the ground), and going invisible does not protect you from still getting hit by bullets and explosions. I go down A LOT while in Fade Away, and it completely ends the skill and resets the cooldown. If I'm forced to perform a 2-3 second reload in the middle of a 5 second skill, that is garbage.
Rip hellwalker spam
CFE KOS-MOS 🙏🏽 R.I.P
RIP Flak in general - that skill carried him hard - now he is weak sauce
@@HollowExistence Yeah for real. They just made leave no trace absolutely useless. Ive emptied the entire mag way before it gets to proc again.
right, I was farming for a annointed speedloadin' hellwalker.
fuckin ell, the title is FL4K BUFF but his marquee skill is getting butchered
i'd be fckin fine if they left the game as is balance wise, from day 1
@Grym me and a friend tried rakk. The dps is JUNK. it could be so much better
RIP my FL4K Hellwalker spam, it is now useless and what do i get back for it? A rakk attack status increase... :(
Other character mains don’t understand our pain
LOL change the fking title, imagine thinking this is a buff to flak. This just means the only viable guns for him are rowans and lucians call for mobing. Torgue shotties are now useless, with lyuda being the only viable boss gun for flak, even without ammo return.
Lyuda will be the next thing to be nerfed im sure.
Welcome to the zane club
the game gets worse and worse with every hotfix. they should just start to fix the fricking crashes, performance issues, inventoryslots, unskipable cutscenes, challenges, pets/ironbear.. i could go on for another 100 points.
I wonder when Amaras bugs, like her reload stacks not doing anything will be fixed
the fl4k thing is a bit sad but it kinda had to be done. rip hellwalker spam :(
HAHAHAHA
I Use The Flakker now R.I.P Hellwalker 🤧
Yeah, because on my FL4K I use a butcher and it basically never ran out of ammo and I'm pretty sure infinite ammo was supposed to be Moze's thing not FL4K's so I'm kind of glad they did that.
@@ArturoPladeado They killed the entire Fl4k crit build with that one change. Nerf the damage for all I care but not the one fucking thing that makes the build viable.
I want to play Zane buy I'm going to wait till he actually works
well, if you want to play the game again on hard difficulty then play now :p
Yay I’m so glad they nerfed moze instead of buffing her garbage action skill.Thanks gearbox
*This game has been amazing but the lag during split screen is so very annoying. It makes ppl lose hype fuel fast.*
2 second delay!!???? Why even bother!!! Leave my beloved Moze ALONE!
It's not a big deal. Moze is still super strong.
Thats nothing compared to the 2 second delay for leave no trace for fl4k
Honestly it's not fair zans is supposed to be the only vault hunter with a grenade build because he lacks gun damage
Time to play gaige
@@WobiKabobi Yeah theres literally no reason to put any skillpoints in it anymore. Glad I got to play him plenty before these trash nerfs.
I KNEW infinite Grenades wasn't intentional for Moze.
That's Zane's alley.
And having infinite ammo wasn't supposed to be FL4K's thing it was supposed to be Moze's thing.
how TF CAN ZANE PUT A NADE ON AT ALL W two actions
@@readycedy He has 4 Skills that involve his grenades.
@@sobervision1049 Moze have a whole tree dedicated to explosions and grenades. btw even after the nerf she still have unlimited grenades.
@@josefcayos4026 I was talking about zane but ok bud
I have only fl4k and now totally ruined by this nerfing
Glad I maxed out all four before the pipe bomb nerf. Just running them all through the story now
*plays the worlds smallest violine*
I mean i'm still doing more than fine with my FL4K for some reason, but i'm totally crying with you over how they completly "ruined" him
@@CedricBassman sucks to play a character with like only one viable way to play him
@@it_is_i9531 agreed and they should focus first on fixing performance issue like the echo menu lag before this balancing shit.
For the Distributed Denial perk, I've used it with a health regen while shield is active perk and my friends were able to benefit from it so that works too.
I played pre and post patch Moze today and the Means of Destruction skill is not terrible. No more infinite grenades. But I almost never ran out of grenades and I'm a chucker.
Anyone else feel that the "patches" they've been doing have actually made the game much worse technically?
As a FL4K main that never had a chance to fully appreciate the GiTM fade away power fantasy, yes.
Chris Gironda I just started my second playthrough as flak and he feels significantly nerfed.
Yeah... theyre balancing it like a pvp game. The reason people still play games like Bl2 is how some characters are just super broken. Bl3 won’t last as long if they make it all bland and balanced
@@KZ-hu9uj couldn't agree more.
So zane is almost useless cause some of his major skills dont work?
Although I wouldn’t say useless, sometimes it damn well feels like it.
Wow! I beat the game before he even got his first buff! I beat the game with a turd character! lolol ayyy I still had fun.
@@SummonSkeletons i still like zane, but with some of his skill not functioning properly i dont see how he'll do in mayhem3.
@@knightmare4883 he's fine, he's my main character and he is really good but is probably just a more gear dependent than the others.
Zane is playing the game on tvhm mayhem 4 compared to the others
*sees Zane is broken in title*
Hell yeah!
*watches video*
Oh...
Remember when updates weren't a thing?
I wish they would fix the dam game before releasing it.
Sorry that's a foreign concept in 2019
Yeah, I remember when games just stayed broken
@@KingAfrica4 he said fix em before release plenty more examples of games being finished pretty much most around ps2 GameCube era
the whole thing with bosses dropping legendaries? they could have also pointed out that the gun dropped by Graveward (The Earworm) isn't actually an orange legend, it's a blue. I probably passed over so many looking for an orange and didn't find out until the 6th
Looks like we have to continue to play offline mode as fl4k smh
Yeah you do that
@@killarmy100 Yeah he is cuz he said he was