I hope you guys don't think I'm saying Zane is bad. He's great but min-maxxing him is a bit of a pain and his gear can be extremely inconsistent. Any other Vault hunters you want me to show off?
I just feel like this vid is way to soon. You basically say the other vault hunters are pretty one dimensional and zayne is not so he’s bad. Zayne reminds me most of Sal from bl2 so far in terms of wildcard snowball potential. Zayne does have a decent nade build but you don’t just walk through the story by clicking nade.... He’s going to be the most precise when it comes to getting certain gear for endgame, but that was Sal and he was insane.
With his class mod he should be running hitman/double agent. Maxing hitman tree. Because of the movement speed buff. That's what I'm running and focusing on. I even have a shield and relic that increase movement speed. Why use a legendary that focuses on movement and use the a skill tree that focuses on staying behind a shield. That makes no sense.
Angel Aragon yup either clone or hit max max is good but the most important part is to ignore the shield tree. Literally a tree designed around bunkering behind a shield and staying healthy and he combo’s it with a mod about running as fast as possible and doing more damage with low health.
Yep, the entire damn shield tree feels like a trap / needs a redesign at this point. Calm Cool and collected is good on paper but alot of the time (when it matters) it won't really do anything. Ofc if you're going that deep to take CCC you should skip Adrenaline, but then you're more screwed when you can't use it. It all comes down to how well you can use Distributed Denial (the capstone). Personally i havn't seen a shield worth it yet but if the Bee is back then... yeah. Ooooon the other hand everyone in the squad could just you know... equip a Bee Shield sooo *shrug*. Personally i'll be running a 5 (Adrenaline) - 12 (Death follows close + Grenades and either move speed or life steal) - 31. Double Barrel is just to good imo not to build (well... build is a strong word, more like cross your fingers and pray) around it.
First off, he passed over Coolheaded when talking about the Undercover tree. Amazing perk. Gives a 20% chance per crit to stack a slow that leads up to freezing. Important thing is, there's no cooldown on the perk, you can instantly freeze someone with a shotgun if you land enough pellets into their face. And moreover, it is not simply adding cryo damage, but instead forcibly applying slow stacks. This means that enemies that are immune to cryo damage or modifiers that reduce cryo damage doesn't affect the ability to freeze people through the perk, and for some reason even enemies that are immune to slowing and/or freezing effects still eventually trigger Calm, Cool, Collected through enough application of crits. Second off, you know, the funny thing about the infiltrator augment is that it's kind of made with red/blue zanes in mind. It would suck to have a class mod that breaks your shield when you're getting bonuses to having your shields up. Just like it would suck to have a class mod that buffs phasegrasp when you're running a phasecast or phaseslam build. Or getting an additional Rakk Attack! charge when you're running gamma burst or fade away Fl4k. Or having auto bear last the remaining duration at the cost of the cooldown reduction for exiting early when your setup gives bonuses on entering and exiting the mech. Or insert literally any other combination of items and/or skills that don't work together. Every character has items that they need to make some builds work and items that actively clash with those builds. You were just unfortunate enough on Zane to not get the items that accelerate his building curve.
i run a stnl and clone set up and just run around with the gun damage increases with movement perk on a shotgun and that is letting me absolutely melt in mayhem 3 lvl 50
I’m kicking ass with Zane and I’ve been playing solo! I only had a hard time with killavolt when I was level 12 but all of the other bosses are I’ve beat super easy 🤘🏽
In your first example, you mention the Bashing Shockwave Infiltrator mod not working with Adrenaline and Confident Confidence from the Undercover skill line because of the broken synergy but you can see just by looking at the mod that it's not meant to synergize with the Undercover skill line. Both of the skills that are enhanced by that mod are in the Hitman and Double Agent skill lines. Just because it doesn't work with your specific build doesn't mean it's not viable for other builds.
Mike Hyman I think the point was to show how many different things won’t synergize with builds... and how difficult it is to get the gear that will synergize correctly or with how you want. And there are things in each tree that don’t synergize well with mods like half a tree helps one mod but the rest is counter intuitive... the point was just to show that he needs some slight reworking so that it’s easier to get the grouping that works well... I have a build focused around the shield tree because of the surviveability and how much it helps my friends out. All I’ve gotten for Zane have been items that help support so I just keep a support and it sucks because I can’t get anything else
Moon Shock nah the green tree isn’t that needed. Been using the other 2 trees and working just fine. Using the one pump’s ricochet bullets along with kill skills to literally one shot most enemies.
MAD-GFX | Fahran1979 Exactly, Zane isn’t focused into one area like the other VHs, his strength is his versatility. Zane is possibly the most gear-reliant character in the game. He can get really nutty with Legendary guns and shields with the ability to clone them. Just unfortunate that we can’t reach the end of the 2nd skill tree yet.
@@Aliens1337 I feel like his end tree perks are super meh. What shield is good with the enhancement mod? Why do you need a free kill skill in a build designed to chain kills? It is just really bland. The gun cloning is the only good one. Homie uses the Super Shotgun better than I do.
Moon Shock the kill skills on action skill use is really only beneficial imo I’m boss fights, or when you first start a fight before getting a kill. In those 2 circumstances though, it is very nice to have
Zane is INZANE. Granades, Granades, Naaaaades everywhere.....oh yeah and the clone & drone. Awesome VH!!! I first played Fl4k but his Pet is so stupid...like WoW Classic Hunter Pets, so I switched and I'm very happy with Zane.
I think you're looking at it all wrong. You're coming from the perspective "I've chosen this talent build and it's hard to get items to synergize with it." Whereas it seems like this character specifically is intended to start from the items you get and then build your talents around them.
Yes. Every cent goes towards respec. Every time. What a FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNN character. Glad I get to chose how I play and aren't pigeonholed by RNG.
You know what I don't care what ppl say about zane I really like him and he is an absolute blast to play Tactically switching between clone and where you are to avoid a massive amount of damage is amazing
I've noticed a lot of "Ice" feel with Zane from theory crafting. Where you work with your team to to keep you and your allies defended and your enemies CC'd via the bubble, frost and clone. Looking forward to getting to end game to see how it works
Thank you for showing the talents and items you are talking about while you talk about them, huge improvement. Keep the videos coming, they keep getting better!
Yeah sorry, but you missed the mark a bit on the Zane's class mods, there are way better ones. There is the Shockerator, which give the clone a shock nova when melee'd. Techspert, which give 5% chance on a kill to recharge you SNTNL cooldown and duration. The Executor which give a ton of effects on a kill including increased crit damage, status chance, status damage, accuracy, and handling. Cold Warrior, where whenever Zane freezes and enemies a random extra status is applied. These are all way better then an offshoot class mod meant for a different play style.
Right? I got an “Ill-Fated Cheap Shot Executor” class mod that literally acts as an additional kill skill, granting increased accuracy, handling, critical hit damage, status effect damage and status effect chance after a kill. It also boosts violent violence, playing dirty, and borrowed time. It perfectly synchronizes with the Hitman tree and that style of play.
I think he's pretty great. Speccing him for the movespeed and clone swapping is the name of the game for me. I never stay in one place for more than like, 2 seconds. Pair that with the cyro damage skills he can be pretty potent in the right hands.
Why would you ever complain about a character being gear-dependent in borderlands? That's the name of the game dude. The class mod you had equipped is clearly tailored to a life-steal, kill-skill build of Zane that's similar to Melee Zer0 from borderlands 2. If you've ever played Melee Zer0 you know how insanely gear specific that build is, you need a roid shield with high recharge delay, a bladed moxxi weapon to keep yourself alive by mashing melee, a lightning grenade to both break shields and heal yourself at a distance, the rapier for 200% melee damage, ninja class mod, a massive aoe rocket launcher for FFYL situations, etc... It's early meta, why the hell are you complaining about this character you haven't solved yet. I bet you Zane will turn out to be ridiculous once the community is able to start compiling data and theory-crafting builds.
he's saying that zane is hit or miss because of the vastly unknown loot pool that exists atm as well as the void that exists for hunter specific class mods that hits zane particularly hard because his skills and tree directly use your equipped gear to enhance action skills vs other hunters which give flat bonuses that don't depend on gear. one thing he for sure neglected though is the raw gun damage boosting zane can get which makes more or less anything you pick up and use work without needing specific mods or artifacts
I'm just reaching the end game now and have been running a kill skill build. Normally in the past games they've been trash since they offer nothing against bosses, but the cap skill to make them trigger off your abilities on top of Zane using two interested me a lot. The potential of these skills across multiple trees feels great, and my health sustainability feels pretty insane. With the double bullets on the right weapons the DPS feels good too. I'm excited to start some hard core level 50 farming this weekend and optimize!
Ryan i dont get your point... you have a classmod/shield etc. but you use the wrong talentbuild for this....?! Clonedmg = Petdmg from Fl4k depends on the AI thats why i'm not a fan of him :/ Pet should be immune to dmg and probably have a 100% hitchance to make it reliable
This is all good news, I plan on playing for years, I want to still be perfecting my builds then instead of best-in-slotting everything in the first week.
I’ve been building up the nade build and I love it so far. Yes it does take a few good weapons and grenade mods but it’s definitely a great end game build. Especially if you spec into your clone takes the damage and heals you.
I had a grenade that when u throw it. It splits in 2 and then turns into a shit ton of mirv grenades that then home onto enemies..safe to say it’s pretty fucking OP considering every other time I shoot a grenade fly’s out. Everytime I spawn my clone he throws one, and plus so much more. If u have a good grenade with him it’s soooooo god like
Zane really shines using certain gear, usually I out shines everyone else in the group because he just does so much with his clone and drone flying around throwing out radiation and rockets blowing everything up, paired with a lucians call the clone does so much work
What was that AR btw? Seems like yet again my AR options have seemed the weakest. I have a shottie, SMG and pistol that absolutely wreck shit but my AR sorta struggles to get things going.
I completely agree. I also tried making a rough rider build like yours but it just didnt work out. To get to anything needed in the barrier skill tree you HAVE to put points into skills that benefit from having shields. Also im typing this as watching the video and realizing you are saying a lot of the same stuff haha. Glad we are on the same wavelength. He just doesnt have any really solid class mod synergies with his skills. I find the class mods always constantly contradicting themselves with the buffs it gives. Zane is for sure HEAVILY based on finding what weapons work best. I found that even with the rough rider speed build I tried to make. In the end I feel the kill skill build is just more dominant than the others for solo and even for multiplayer. I was trying to make builds earlier and had to respec so many times lol. Seems like to play Zane you just have to do a lot of research to learn how he works and understand him. Finding the perfect gear for him is tough and im curious how he will play when we find the best possible gear for him. I have found that shock conference call with cryo lucians call can work really well together with the right build. Its what works for me right now and im enjoying it. Loved the vid. Id love to play sometime if not all g lmao. My Epic is chxfツ if you’re down.
I'm playing endgame Zane... with a high speed, critical hit, freeze the world build. Using Barrier and Sentinel, and primarily Jakobs weapons. I think you're pairing his worst class mod with a shield as our synergy... whereas I am getting my synergy from one of his other legendary class mods, and my actual skill tree selections work amazing together. My endgame Zane is OP, and I regularly play with two friends, Fl4k & Siren, who cannot keep up with me on the battlefield at all. The best capstone FYI is SNTL capstone. Happy to get more in depth on my build if you want me to, and you can make a video for it if you like. I believe it's a fucking incredible build.
I would like to know more please because I want to do a Zane build next with shield and SNTL I'm playing Amara atm but really looking forward to that build and yours seems the right way to go can you please give me more information ..thankyou!
Loving Zane. Don't care if anyone views him as weak. I whoop a lot of ass with him. But that mod is ass and I don't use amp shields on Zane either. And Calm, Cool, and Collected is 1 of the best skills in the game! I see your points though Ryan. Gearbox needs to do a bit of overhauling with his equipment to give some synergy and variety to his builds
I love Zane too. I also love how I can swap with I called digi me and gain shield and health and at same time make my digi me throw a bouncing grenade with fire element. BOOM! Explosions everywhere!
@@crimsonclover1588 Exactly. Boom enhance and double barrel are great skills. I find that the clone seems to work best with cov, Jacobs, or torque weapons set to sticky. He doesnt miss and cov weapons dont need to be reloaded. Jacob's weapons do a lot of damage and he seems to critical hit a lot. Torgue weapons explode on reload and with boom enhance, he has high fire and reload rates. I think vladoff weapons might work well too.
Hey Ryan. How is zanes clone at M3? Does it get blown up easily, it's something I've been worried about while lvling. If I throw all these pts into clone and he gets blown up instantly I feel like there's no point. If so, is there a good shield/drone build?
wow that sounds reeeeeeeaaaly rough, having a powerful bonus that requires you to build around. Zane being the most gear-dependant vault hunter was obvious as soon as we saw the item-based skill tree capstones...
Currently loving playing Zane, even while grinding for the perfect anointed gear! Each invested skill point and piece of gear seem to matter so heavily that it really gives agency to one's preferred playstyle and how they can interweave those elements together. HOWEVER, holy shit does your gear/loadout matter! As the video stated, getting the right pieces for your build is integral. Running my SNTNL/Barrier build wouldn't be worth a damn if i didnt have my annointed Maggie and Re-charger.
If your shields max capacity is 0, wouldn't it always proc skills that call for both empty and full shields the same time? Or does it not work like that?
CCC can be proced, Adrenaline however, does not reduce cooldown time. Rise to the Occasion wil always heal for 5%/sec (so it treats the shield as empty).
I have been playing 4man on TVHM mayhem 3 for a day now and I can feel your frustration. I made the exact same synergy with the shield and class mod and got some splash damage multipliers and max hp on artifact. To get there though I had to grind for 50 hours of playtime when my friends playing the other 3 classes reached their max potential at 30 hours.. Zane needs a lot to make a good build around it, especially this early when talents, legendaries and mods have not yet been fully tested and minmaxed at the highest difficulty. But as you said, Zane is for the smart ones and to be a good Zane you need to do some theorycrafting and combining and testing now that its so early in the game.
Ryan, do you know whether there are any inherent benefits to playing TVHM over nornal with Mayhem active? I can't find any information on the topic and would be happier just continuing to playing mayhem 3 on normal as opposed to sinking another 20 hours into campaign if I didn't need to. Thanks!
Im doing the granade dig/synt build with the "epcenter" granade mod ( legendary granade from the eridian slot machine ) and i m melting everything in my way, lvl 30 here
Im using the Barrier and STNL, which augement should I use on the Barrier, im currently using Charged Relay and Nanites or some Shite. I was wondering how good Deterence Field and Retaliation are?
Dome shield and deterrence field are the best augments. Why? Well they are the only 2 augments that will still apply when you pick up the shield. Yes believe it or not, dome shield will apply when you pick up the barrier, making him invincible to a wide arrange of enemies. imgur.com/a/AJJAj6k And deterrence field will also apply when picked up. Unfortunately, the other 3 augments will not do anything when you pick up the shield. If you are planning on putting the shield in place then dome shield and deterrence field are also really good because they give you basically a safe space where enemies can't enter without getting stunned constantly. I would say though that if you are almost exclusively using the shield as a stationary defensive tool, then dome shield + retaliation would probably be your best bet.
Im not endgame but there there seems to be synergy with the drone and shield tree. There are some skills which work with freezing enemies and the drone can have cryo damage
@@Ryan-ni7mo well my build is mostly focused on movement speed, so idk, i might stay with charged relay, i didnt like nanites or some shite. and i leveled up a few times, so i switched it for deterence field. im not sure about the dome augment yet. does all-rounder take less time to recharge or more? i got confused by +20% cooldown.
@@cannibalraptor yea i have the cryo augment called Winter's Drone, then i have Bad Dose, which ive been liking so far it increases fire rate and movement speed, and it lowers movement speed and attack rate of enemies
@@attatara5364 Well charged relay doesn't work when you pick up the barrier though so you have to strafe in the middle of it to get the bonus movements which is a bit odd to do. And it increases the cooldown by 20% which isn't really a problem if you get a high coolodown reduction yourself.
I agree wholeheartedly bro! I'm level 31 right now with Zane and I'm actually running the rough Rider and same class mod, both underleveled as I haven't found anything better 😂
Trying to understand something, so sorry for dumb question. Mayhem Mode and TVHM increase challenge and reward, right? TVHM is your NG+ and Mayhem is your Nightfall Strike modifiers, what have you. But you only get anointed gear in Mayhem 3, so why add TVHM on top of that when farming stuff?
No, because then he becomes Amara. Cryo is different from the other elements because it does no damage on its own. It's just a debuff that benefits Zane in several ways. They just need to make cryo weapons damage EVERYTHING and not have cryo-immune enemies.
Thanks for this vid- I want to play Zane at some point but started as Flak (like everybody else lol). This is the kind of stuff I’d like to know beforehand though. Maybe I collect gear with Flak to make Zane’s playthrough easier.
Another quick beginning tip if you’re playing with Zane is start building down the doubled agent skill tree and equip the pre-order rubber shredder cheddar grenade mod and as you progress you’ll get more and more money as your clone throws out grenades and you shoot out grenades hitting enemies with them
I'm currently demoing a barrier/drone Ice build, with all of the cryo skills in the green tree paired with ice bullet drone and Cold Bore (bearing in mind I'm only like lvl 25) has been really fun and satisfying so far, and I imagine trying to push for more cryo specific stuff would make him a boon in co-op in swarm heavy areas where you just want some crowd control
Zane is an in your face bruiser where you keep moving in and out of enemy fire in order to keep your killskills high and passives matching, your tryna play him like fl4k some reason and it hurts to watch
Yeah he is using the shield tree which doesnt work well with his mod. I use the shield tree but I always pick it up and use it to get up in peoples faces
@Prabhjit Dhillon whats funny is troy actually is pretty difficult with flakker build so i run handsome jackhammer, get a kill swap places with clone and bang bang bang bang bang
Zane is definitely turning out to be the hardest vault hunter to make an all around build for. Love your videos and appreciate that you take the time to highlight your concerns. If you ever find a class mod that buffs his skill Death Follows Close to 2/1 please please please make sure to share this with us. Class mods that open up cap stones are a great hype and all... But imo boosting this skill would go so much further for Zane's viability through badass and boss mobs. Happy hunting!
I've found that using a basic Jacobs shotgun in addition to whatever element build you're trying to run can be very helpful. You can freeze people or set them on fire, and when you run into an enemy that's immune just get in their face with the shotgun. You're right about the synergy, but I feel like the movement and protection make up for it in general gameplay, if not Proving Grounds.
What do you guys think about legendary drop rate in borderlands 3 ? Seems a lot higher compared to borderlands 2. I remember it tooks me more than a week to farm norfleet on hyperius. I never managed to get Unkempt Harold. Ever. The best variant from torque vending machine always eluded me.
As an Amara main I’m totally on board with this video. You are totally right about Amara being really straight forward in terms of what gear to use. I’ve actually found that Mayhem Mode modifiers can actually be nearly circumvented by some of her skills based on elemental damage. Yeah the modifier may be -50% shock damage but my skills alone give me +50% so now it’s 0. Not only that but certain class mods and artifacts make it even stronger than that. Zane is the next character I’m playing so I hope that by the time I get to endgame with him we’ve figured out a way to make him les complicated. Even if we haven’t I’m still really excited to try him out.
This build is on the borderlands reddit, was highlighted 2 days ago :) but he didn't go for capstones, but split his skills btw the trees, focusing on movement speed. But the shield reduction with class mods etc is the same.
I've started to get a lot of ice torgue guns, and its been a blast playing cryo core with infinite action skill duration...as long as there is an enemy to freeze.
I also agree with Zane’s clone and the accuracy with some weapons, and I feel the chance of shooting a grenade also requires certain weapons for maximum effects.
Good video i picked zane and am having a little trouble getting the right damage output, i thought it was only me with bad gear lol. Guess i will just have to keep playing around with him. And aww you could have showed the end to the boss fight man.
If you unlock the capstone skill for the undercover tree you can pair it with a legendary shield called Impaler. When hit with bullet damage it fires homing spikes. The shield mod comes in different elements
You should use the shield you get for finishing the mission children’s end in the Dahl mine, the buffs with max shield gives the cool down and when depleted you get even more cooldown so they cancel out.
Omg thank god I wasn’t alone. I just kept looking at everything and I’m like Zane should be the best all around guy but like nothing feels like it aligns and synergizes correctly
I hope you guys don't think I'm saying Zane is bad. He's great but min-maxxing him is a bit of a pain and his gear can be extremely inconsistent.
Any other Vault hunters you want me to show off?
Please end game moze!
Moze please
Moze
I just feel like this vid is way to soon. You basically say the other vault hunters are pretty one dimensional and zayne is not so he’s bad. Zayne reminds me most of Sal from bl2 so far in terms of wildcard snowball potential. Zayne does have a decent nade build but you don’t just walk through the story by clicking nade.... He’s going to be the most precise when it comes to getting certain gear for endgame, but that was Sal and he was insane.
Moze!
With that class mod you should be running maxed out clone with a rocket launcher + drone. You have to ignore the shield tree with that one.
I agree.. This video makes no sense.
With his class mod he should be running hitman/double agent. Maxing hitman tree. Because of the movement speed buff. That's what I'm running and focusing on. I even have a shield and relic that increase movement speed. Why use a legendary that focuses on movement and use the a skill tree that focuses on staying behind a shield. That makes no sense.
Angel Aragon yup either clone or hit max max is good but the most important part is to ignore the shield tree. Literally a tree designed around bunkering behind a shield and staying healthy and he combo’s it with a mod about running as fast as possible and doing more damage with low health.
Came to say this, Ryan clearly isn’t changing his build around his gear.
Yep, the entire damn shield tree feels like a trap / needs a redesign at this point. Calm Cool and collected is good on paper but alot of the time (when it matters) it won't really do anything. Ofc if you're going that deep to take CCC you should skip Adrenaline, but then you're more screwed when you can't use it. It all comes down to how well you can use Distributed Denial (the capstone). Personally i havn't seen a shield worth it yet but if the Bee is back then... yeah. Ooooon the other hand everyone in the squad could just you know... equip a Bee Shield sooo *shrug*. Personally i'll be running a 5 (Adrenaline) - 12 (Death follows close + Grenades and either move speed or life steal) - 31. Double Barrel is just to good imo not to build (well... build is a strong word, more like cross your fingers and pray) around it.
Idc, he's my drunken Irish killing machine
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Short version;
Zane is a high maintenance diverse diva.
First off, he passed over Coolheaded when talking about the Undercover tree. Amazing perk. Gives a 20% chance per crit to stack a slow that leads up to freezing. Important thing is, there's no cooldown on the perk, you can instantly freeze someone with a shotgun if you land enough pellets into their face. And moreover, it is not simply adding cryo damage, but instead forcibly applying slow stacks. This means that enemies that are immune to cryo damage or modifiers that reduce cryo damage doesn't affect the ability to freeze people through the perk, and for some reason even enemies that are immune to slowing and/or freezing effects still eventually trigger Calm, Cool, Collected through enough application of crits.
Second off, you know, the funny thing about the infiltrator augment is that it's kind of made with red/blue zanes in mind. It would suck to have a class mod that breaks your shield when you're getting bonuses to having your shields up. Just like it would suck to have a class mod that buffs phasegrasp when you're running a phasecast or phaseslam build. Or getting an additional Rakk Attack! charge when you're running gamma burst or fade away Fl4k. Or having auto bear last the remaining duration at the cost of the cooldown reduction for exiting early when your setup gives bonuses on entering and exiting the mech. Or insert literally any other combination of items and/or skills that don't work together.
Every character has items that they need to make some builds work and items that actively clash with those builds. You were just unfortunate enough on Zane to not get the items that accelerate his building curve.
Silens Phoenix I dunno. This game is Destiny 2.1, not borderlands. I’ll just stick to Warframe ✌🏻
i run a stnl and clone set up and just run around with the gun damage increases with movement perk on a shotgun and that is letting me absolutely melt in mayhem 3 lvl 50
Aker I too run with stnl and clone and Zane melts. I don’t know what this guys is on about.
This is what I'm planning on doing maxing out clone though. What do you max out for mayhem 3?
The entire time I was thinking the same thing. His shield and class mod are perfect for running with the drone and clone.
How is your survivability???? I was running Sentinel/Digi clone for most of the game but find myself going Sentinel and Shield now
@@MrAustyn88 i use a certain legendary relic that gives me 56% dmg resistance for slamming and the life steal lets me stay up when thats down
I’m kicking ass with Zane and I’ve been playing solo! I only had a hard time with killavolt when I was level 12 but all of the other bosses are I’ve beat super easy 🤘🏽
PoHLuTioN killavolt is just a pain on solo regardless so don’t worry on that.
Ha ha Laughs you at you in anointed Billy.
I'm still early game, but I'm melting the story missions which are 3-4 levels above me.
Besides, zane is hilarious and such a cool cat
Dude i thought KV was a raidboss first. After dozen tries just ignored that quest...
Killavolt is overleveled during that stage.
I came back on lv 18 and melted him
In your first example, you mention the Bashing Shockwave Infiltrator mod not working with Adrenaline and Confident Confidence from the Undercover skill line because of the broken synergy but you can see just by looking at the mod that it's not meant to synergize with the Undercover skill line. Both of the skills that are enhanced by that mod are in the Hitman and Double Agent skill lines.
Just because it doesn't work with your specific build doesn't mean it's not viable for other builds.
Mike Hyman I think the point was to show how many different things won’t synergize with builds... and how difficult it is to get the gear that will synergize correctly or with how you want. And there are things in each tree that don’t synergize well with mods like half a tree helps one mod but the rest is counter intuitive... the point was just to show that he needs some slight reworking so that it’s easier to get the grouping that works well... I have a build focused around the shield tree because of the surviveability and how much it helps my friends out. All I’ve gotten for Zane have been items that help support so I just keep a support and it sucks because I can’t get anything else
The issue is you need to run the green tree late game or you get swiggity shrekd. Clone and drone is better for early game fun. It falls off... Hard.
Moon Shock nah the green tree isn’t that needed. Been using the other 2 trees and working just fine. Using the one pump’s ricochet bullets along with kill skills to literally one shot most enemies.
Im having a great time with undercover/hitman. Invaluable utility and synergy with a team.
@@doucheberry I've been running a Under Cover/Double Agent build with 100% uptime on my skills. Very fun build.
All of your complaints are the reason I enjoy the class.
MAD-GFX | Fahran1979 Exactly, Zane isn’t focused into one area like the other VHs, his strength is his versatility. Zane is possibly the most gear-reliant character in the game. He can get really nutty with Legendary guns and shields with the ability to clone them. Just unfortunate that we can’t reach the end of the 2nd skill tree yet.
@@Aliens1337 I feel like his end tree perks are super meh. What shield is good with the enhancement mod? Why do you need a free kill skill in a build designed to chain kills? It is just really bland. The gun cloning is the only good one. Homie uses the Super Shotgun better than I do.
Moon Shock the kill skills on action skill use is really only beneficial imo I’m boss fights, or when you first start a fight before getting a kill. In those 2 circumstances though, it is very nice to have
@@MoonShocked just dont get the free kill skill then? Haha
Zane is INZANE. Granades, Granades, Naaaaades everywhere.....oh yeah and the clone & drone. Awesome VH!!! I first played Fl4k but his Pet is so stupid...like WoW Classic Hunter Pets, so I switched and I'm very happy with Zane.
Why isnt he constnatly moving with this zane, he has the movement speed one so move, drone tree start is all bout speed, and he is standing still
I think you're looking at it all wrong. You're coming from the perspective "I've chosen this talent build and it's hard to get items to synergize with it." Whereas it seems like this character specifically is intended to start from the items you get and then build your talents around them.
Yes. Every cent goes towards respec. Every time. What a FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNN character. Glad I get to chose how I play and aren't pigeonholed by RNG.
You know what I don't care what ppl say about zane I really like him and he is an absolute blast to play
Tactically switching between clone and where you are to avoid a massive amount of damage is amazing
And they nerfed Zane where the rough rider doesn’t count as having “low shield” anymore
I've noticed a lot of "Ice" feel with Zane from theory crafting. Where you work with your team to to keep you and your allies defended and your enemies CC'd via the bubble, frost and clone. Looking forward to getting to end game to see how it works
Thank you for showing the talents and items you are talking about while you talk about them, huge improvement. Keep the videos coming, they keep getting better!
Yeah sorry, but you missed the mark a bit on the Zane's class mods, there are way better ones. There is the Shockerator, which give the clone a shock nova when melee'd. Techspert, which give 5% chance on a kill to recharge you SNTNL cooldown and duration. The Executor which give a ton of effects on a kill including increased crit damage, status chance, status damage, accuracy, and handling. Cold Warrior, where whenever Zane freezes and enemies a random extra status is applied. These are all way better then an offshoot class mod meant for a different play style.
ComManDerNomad he’s using a build with poor synergy and blaming my boy Zane lol.
Any place on the internets where I can see all these mods you're talking about? Very curious about the skill they buff etc
@@StjepJ not that i know of, i farmed them.
Right? I got an “Ill-Fated Cheap Shot Executor” class mod that literally acts as an additional kill skill, granting increased accuracy, handling, critical hit damage, status effect damage and status effect chance after a kill. It also boosts violent violence, playing dirty, and borrowed time. It perfectly synchronizes with the Hitman tree and that style of play.
I need Cold Warrior
I think he's pretty great. Speccing him for the movespeed and clone swapping is the name of the game for me. I never stay in one place for more than like, 2 seconds. Pair that with the cyro damage skills he can be pretty potent in the right hands.
I got a legendary Zane Class mod that's fantastic. Focuses on action skill duration
can you link it on imgur?
yeah share it with us man!
Steve Harvey ^^^
It was the first legendary I got so it's a low level. Has 3 perk ups all in the Hitman tree
It doesn’t matter if it’s low level we just want to see the name of the class mod and a picture of it
Think you should post a screengrab of your build in the description of this video. Interested to see what you spec'd
Why would you ever complain about a character being gear-dependent in borderlands? That's the name of the game dude. The class mod you had equipped is clearly tailored to a life-steal, kill-skill build of Zane that's similar to Melee Zer0 from borderlands 2. If you've ever played Melee Zer0 you know how insanely gear specific that build is, you need a roid shield with high recharge delay, a bladed moxxi weapon to keep yourself alive by mashing melee, a lightning grenade to both break shields and heal yourself at a distance, the rapier for 200% melee damage, ninja class mod, a massive aoe rocket launcher for FFYL situations, etc... It's early meta, why the hell are you complaining about this character you haven't solved yet. I bet you Zane will turn out to be ridiculous once the community is able to start compiling data and theory-crafting builds.
That's what I'm saying. He feels like he is trying to steer people away on purpose
Then why watch this channel
thats what im hoping. He has so much verity hoping some op build will be discoverd soon
really wish we had a training dummy to shoot at in this game to make coming up with good builds easier
he's saying that zane is hit or miss because of the vastly unknown loot pool that exists atm as well as the void that exists for hunter specific class mods that hits zane particularly hard because his skills and tree directly use your equipped gear to enhance action skills vs other hunters which give flat bonuses that don't depend on gear. one thing he for sure neglected though is the raw gun damage boosting zane can get which makes more or less anything you pick up and use work without needing specific mods or artifacts
Where did you get your infiltrator mod, I've been grinding for a while now and cant get any class mods to drop
I'm just reaching the end game now and have been running a kill skill build. Normally in the past games they've been trash since they offer nothing against bosses, but the cap skill to make them trigger off your abilities on top of Zane using two interested me a lot.
The potential of these skills across multiple trees feels great, and my health sustainability feels pretty insane. With the double bullets on the right weapons the DPS feels good too. I'm excited to start some hard core level 50 farming this weekend and optimize!
Ryan i dont get your point... you have a classmod/shield etc. but you use the wrong talentbuild for this....?!
Clonedmg = Petdmg from Fl4k depends on the AI thats why i'm not a fan of him :/
Pet should be immune to dmg and probably have a 100% hitchance to make it reliable
Your pet should go invisible with you when you activate the cloak ability .
Flaks pets are a pushover. Build crit. Critting a fuckton basically killing everything in 1 hit @ Lev 36
If you compare Fl4K to Gagie A.I we are truly being fucked here. I agree on pets not taking dmg or @ least move faster and not be such horse shit.
Why are you comparing a class mod for Double Agent and Hitman to Undercover Skill tree?
Is Distributed Denial worth it? (the undercover capstone)
This is all good news, I plan on playing for years, I want to still be perfecting my builds then instead of best-in-slotting everything in the first week.
Your vids are on point. Thanks!
Hey. I haven't finish the main story, does it matter if I play the proving grounds or the circle of slaughter?
Where did you get the rough rider and shockwave infiltrator? And also the gun you were using the whole time that was shredding
In my experience COV and Dahl weapons work well with the Digi clone
banana bread iPhone Jacob weapons work well with them to
love this breakdown - nice man
It’s only a few days from release and u have your build that’s a long grind to you?
@ryan do you know if the deathless artifact works with calm, cool, collected?
What gun is that u using with the yellow lazers and where do u get it ?
Any chance we can see the build you made and what trees and points you did?
what was the gun used right at the start?
I’ve been building up the nade build and I love it so far. Yes it does take a few good weapons and grenade mods but it’s definitely a great end game build. Especially if you spec into your clone takes the damage and heals you.
I had a grenade that when u throw it. It splits in 2 and then turns into a shit ton of mirv grenades that then home onto enemies..safe to say it’s pretty fucking OP considering every other time I shoot a grenade fly’s out. Everytime I spawn my clone he throws one, and plus so much more. If u have a good grenade with him it’s soooooo god like
My main man Zane with Jakobs weapons is fun as hell, boyo
Zane really shines using certain gear, usually I out shines everyone else in the group because he just does so much with his clone and drone flying around throwing out radiation and rockets blowing everything up, paired with a lucians call the clone does so much work
What was that AR btw? Seems like yet again my AR options have seemed the weakest. I have a shottie, SMG and pistol that absolutely wreck shit but my AR sorta struggles to get things going.
I completely agree. I also tried making a rough rider build like yours but it just didnt work out. To get to anything needed in the barrier skill tree you HAVE to put points into skills that benefit from having shields. Also im typing this as watching the video and realizing you are saying a lot of the same stuff haha. Glad we are on the same wavelength. He just doesnt have any really solid class mod synergies with his skills. I find the class mods always constantly contradicting themselves with the buffs it gives. Zane is for sure HEAVILY based on finding what weapons work best. I found that even with the rough rider speed build I tried to make. In the end I feel the kill skill build is just more dominant than the others for solo and even for multiplayer. I was trying to make builds earlier and had to respec so many times lol. Seems like to play Zane you just have to do a lot of research to learn how he works and understand him. Finding the perfect gear for him is tough and im curious how he will play when we find the best possible gear for him. I have found that shock conference call with cryo lucians call can work really well together with the right build. Its what works for me right now and im enjoying it. Loved the vid. Id love to play sometime if not all g lmao. My Epic is chxfツ if you’re down.
What assault rifle are you using in the gameplay? And how do you get it
The lasesploder, its a world drop I believe
Jober7 ah cheers mate
I have the same rifle just the corrosive variant
I’ve gotten corrosive and electric variants, but no fire yet.
Hi is the boshing shockwave infiltrator a World loot or specific??
I'm playing endgame Zane... with a high speed, critical hit, freeze the world build. Using Barrier and Sentinel, and primarily Jakobs weapons. I think you're pairing his worst class mod with a shield as our synergy... whereas I am getting my synergy from one of his other legendary class mods, and my actual skill tree selections work amazing together. My endgame Zane is OP, and I regularly play with two friends, Fl4k & Siren, who cannot keep up with me on the battlefield at all. The best capstone FYI is SNTL capstone. Happy to get more in depth on my build if you want me to, and you can make a video for it if you like. I believe it's a fucking incredible build.
I would like to know more please because I want to do a Zane build next with shield and SNTL I'm playing Amara atm but really looking forward to that build and yours seems the right way to go can you please give me more information ..thankyou!
Yeah I'm curious about that build as well
Loving Zane. Don't care if anyone views him as weak. I whoop a lot of ass with him. But that mod is ass and I don't use amp shields on Zane either. And Calm, Cool, and Collected is 1 of the best skills in the game! I see your points though Ryan. Gearbox needs to do a bit of overhauling with his equipment to give some synergy and variety to his builds
Trey2Da yeah I run ice build. Feels so amazing
I love zane, but I need some better weapons. He's fun as hell and can absolutely do a lot of damage
For me best hunter
I love Zane too. I also love how I can swap with I called digi me and gain shield and health and at same time make my digi me throw a bouncing grenade with fire element. BOOM! Explosions everywhere!
@@crimsonclover1588 Exactly. Boom enhance and double barrel are great skills. I find that the clone seems to work best with cov, Jacobs, or torque weapons set to sticky. He doesnt miss and cov weapons dont need to be reloaded. Jacob's weapons do a lot of damage and he seems to critical hit a lot. Torgue weapons explode on reload and with boom enhance, he has high fire and reload rates. I think vladoff weapons might work well too.
Hey Ryan. How is zanes clone at M3? Does it get blown up easily, it's something I've been worried about while lvling. If I throw all these pts into clone and he gets blown up instantly I feel like there's no point. If so, is there a good shield/drone build?
wow that sounds reeeeeeeaaaly rough, having a powerful bonus that requires you to build around. Zane being the most gear-dependant vault hunter was obvious as soon as we saw the item-based skill tree capstones...
Currently loving playing Zane, even while grinding for the perfect anointed gear! Each invested skill point and piece of gear seem to matter so heavily that it really gives agency to one's preferred playstyle and how they can interweave those elements together. HOWEVER, holy shit does your gear/loadout matter! As the video stated, getting the right pieces for your build is integral. Running my SNTNL/Barrier build wouldn't be worth a damn if i didnt have my annointed Maggie and Re-charger.
Hey where did you get the rough rider because i also need it for my build but i dont know where to get it.
What's the guns you're using??? I wanna use this build
I've been playing Zane and loving him and kicking ass
What is the actual build you use for this what skills do you use?
I use a blackhole shield for my zane clone with a cryo night hawkins smg
How does the blackhole shield work? I got it, but wasn't sure.. what's unique about it?
Wid Get when it breaks it pulls all the enemies to you
i've been running a cryo night hawkin on zane as well, man is it stupid broken damage
King Sora try a cyro cov rocket launcher
I just got that cryo smg on my flack and it’s become like my favorite gun. It’s so good for almost everything
Where did that head skin come from my dude
How do you manage to run the game at playable frames, I cant seem to.
If your shields max capacity is 0, wouldn't it always proc skills that call for both empty and full shields the same time? Or does it not work like that?
CCC can be proced, Adrenaline however, does not reduce cooldown time. Rise to the Occasion wil always heal for 5%/sec (so it treats the shield as empty).
I have been playing 4man on TVHM mayhem 3 for a day now and I can feel your frustration. I made the exact same synergy with the shield and class mod and got some splash damage multipliers and max hp on artifact. To get there though I had to grind for 50 hours of playtime when my friends playing the other 3 classes reached their max potential at 30 hours.. Zane needs a lot to make a good build around it, especially this early when talents, legendaries and mods have not yet been fully tested and minmaxed at the highest difficulty. But as you said, Zane is for the smart ones and to be a good Zane you need to do some theorycrafting and combining and testing now that its so early in the game.
Ryan, do you know whether there are any inherent benefits to playing TVHM over nornal with Mayhem active? I can't find any information on the topic and would be happier just continuing to playing mayhem 3 on normal as opposed to sinking another 20 hours into campaign if I didn't need to.
Thanks!
You can unlock mayhem mode as soon as you get to sanctuary in TVHM
@@BryanCentralYT Yeah I understand that, my question was moreso is there any point besides an even greater increase in difficulty?
Im doing the granade dig/synt build with the "epcenter" granade mod ( legendary granade from the eridian slot machine ) and i m melting everything in my way, lvl 30 here
CarvalhoNoob melting things at level 30 and at endgame mayhem level 3 is very different. Hopefully you stay just as strong on that build tho
@@user-vx6dp5ft9l i know this, but its a fun build, lot of EXPLOSIONS, later i ll do a FL4K for the endgame, but now i m just playiing for fun.
Try the Porcelain Pipe Bomb. It is a quest reward around lvl 27 with absolutely disgusting AOE dps up to lvl 40.
@@inquisitorshampoo1043 already have It , Zane lvl 50 now, i ll do some proving grounds tonight with this granade at Mayhem 3 to test It
@@irmaoburro1 Get that nice grenade spam :p
You found a successful end game Zane build the same way I did - find a DP Lazer-Sploder and kill everything, mostly irrespective of build.
Thanks Bryan bentral
Im using the Barrier and STNL, which augement should I use on the Barrier, im currently using Charged Relay and Nanites or some Shite. I was wondering how good Deterence Field and Retaliation are?
Dome shield and deterrence field are the best augments.
Why? Well they are the only 2 augments that will still apply when you pick up the shield. Yes believe it or not, dome shield will apply when you pick up the barrier, making him invincible to a wide arrange of enemies. imgur.com/a/AJJAj6k
And deterrence field will also apply when picked up.
Unfortunately, the other 3 augments will not do anything when you pick up the shield.
If you are planning on putting the shield in place then dome shield and deterrence field are also really good because they give you basically a safe space where enemies can't enter without getting stunned constantly.
I would say though that if you are almost exclusively using the shield as a stationary defensive tool, then dome shield + retaliation would probably be your best bet.
Im not endgame but there there seems to be synergy with the drone and shield tree. There are some skills which work with freezing enemies and the drone can have cryo damage
@@Ryan-ni7mo well my build is mostly focused on movement speed, so idk, i might stay with charged relay, i didnt like nanites or some shite. and i leveled up a few times, so i switched it for deterence field. im not sure about the dome augment yet.
does all-rounder take less time to recharge or more? i got confused by +20% cooldown.
@@cannibalraptor yea i have the cryo augment called Winter's Drone, then i have Bad Dose, which ive been liking so far it increases fire rate and movement speed, and it lowers movement speed and attack rate of enemies
@@attatara5364 Well charged relay doesn't work when you pick up the barrier though so you have to strafe in the middle of it to get the bonus movements which is a bit odd to do.
And it increases the cooldown by 20% which isn't really a problem if you get a high coolodown reduction yourself.
I agree wholeheartedly bro! I'm level 31 right now with Zane and I'm actually running the rough Rider and same class mod, both underleveled as I haven't found anything better 😂
Trying to understand something, so sorry for dumb question.
Mayhem Mode and TVHM increase challenge and reward, right? TVHM is your NG+ and Mayhem is your Nightfall Strike modifiers, what have you.
But you only get anointed gear in Mayhem 3, so why add TVHM on top of that when farming stuff?
What assault rifle are you using in this gameplay?
If your shield has 0 capacity, shouldn't you be able to get the benefits of both having full shield and having an empty shield?
it counts as not having a shield
They need to make the bonus dmg with ice on Zane to all elements
No, because then he becomes Amara. Cryo is different from the other elements because it does no damage on its own. It's just a debuff that benefits Zane in several ways. They just need to make cryo weapons damage EVERYTHING and not have cryo-immune enemies.
Thanks for this vid- I want to play Zane at some point but started as Flak (like everybody else lol). This is the kind of stuff I’d like to know beforehand though. Maybe I collect gear with Flak to make Zane’s playthrough easier.
Nade build is crazy fun with digiclone. You can come very close to never running out of nades and just throwing constantly.
Another quick beginning tip if you’re playing with Zane is start building down the doubled agent skill tree and equip the pre-order rubber shredder cheddar grenade mod and as you progress you’ll get more and more money as your clone throws out grenades and you shoot out grenades hitting enemies with them
I'm currently demoing a barrier/drone Ice build, with all of the cryo skills in the green tree paired with ice bullet drone and Cold Bore (bearing in mind I'm only like lvl 25) has been really fun and satisfying so far, and I imagine trying to push for more cryo specific stuff would make him a boon in co-op in swarm heavy areas where you just want some crowd control
Zane is an in your face bruiser where you keep moving in and out of enemy fire in order to keep your killskills high and passives matching, your tryna play him like fl4k some reason and it hurts to watch
Drake Yates yeah I don’t think he understands how to play Zane at all
Kinda how to play flak tho
Yeah he is using the shield tree which doesnt work well with his mod. I use the shield tree but I always pick it up and use it to get up in peoples faces
@Prabhjit Dhillon flakker zane with sentinel and clone with dmg killskills literally kills every phase of last boss within 30 seconds but sure
@Prabhjit Dhillon whats funny is troy actually is pretty difficult with flakker build so i run handsome jackhammer, get a kill swap places with clone and bang bang bang bang bang
i would love to see your build with the lazer gun looks amazing
@RyanCentral anny chance you can show your skilltree and gear ?
Zane is a little foggy but he's still so fun! I really wanna learn what good builds work with him after more time has been put into him
Can someone plis tell me where do you get that head with the eyepatch? Thank you
Zane is definitely turning out to be the hardest vault hunter to make an all around build for. Love your videos and appreciate that you take the time to highlight your concerns.
If you ever find a class mod that buffs his skill Death Follows Close to 2/1 please please please make sure to share this with us. Class mods that open up cap stones are a great hype and all... But imo boosting this skill would go so much further for Zane's viability through badass and boss mobs. Happy hunting!
I've found that using a basic Jacobs shotgun in addition to whatever element build you're trying to run can be very helpful. You can freeze people or set them on fire, and when you run into an enemy that's immune just get in their face with the shotgun. You're right about the synergy, but I feel like the movement and protection make up for it in general gameplay, if not Proving Grounds.
Yo, how'd you get that Head for zane?
Clone with the drone. EZ.
The difficult characters are the best kind and always seem to be really good in the long run
What do you guys think about legendary drop rate in borderlands 3 ? Seems a lot higher compared to borderlands 2. I remember it tooks me more than a week to farm norfleet on hyperius. I never managed to get Unkempt Harold. Ever. The best variant from torque vending machine always eluded me.
Is it weird that when I started as Zane that he started with a roided shield that had 0 capacity 0 recharge rate 0 delay
As an Amara main I’m totally on board with this video. You are totally right about Amara being really straight forward in terms of what gear to use. I’ve actually found that Mayhem Mode modifiers can actually be nearly circumvented by some of her skills based on elemental damage. Yeah the modifier may be -50% shock damage but my skills alone give me +50% so now it’s 0. Not only that but certain class mods and artifacts make it even stronger than that. Zane is the next character I’m playing so I hope that by the time I get to endgame with him we’ve figured out a way to make him les complicated. Even if we haven’t I’m still really excited to try him out.
This build is on the borderlands reddit, was highlighted 2 days ago :) but he didn't go for capstones, but split his skills btw the trees, focusing on movement speed. But the shield reduction with class mods etc is the same.
I've started to get a lot of ice torgue guns, and its been a blast playing cryo core with infinite action skill duration...as long as there is an enemy to freeze.
I also agree with Zane’s clone and the accuracy with some weapons, and I feel the chance of shooting a grenade also requires certain weapons for maximum effects.
Wait so does topped off work with rough rider...?
i got a techspert mode and i’m going to play zane so i can test out the techspert mod
Good video i picked zane and am having a little trouble getting the right damage output, i thought it was only me with bad gear lol. Guess i will just have to keep playing around with him. And aww you could have showed the end to the boss fight man.
Where did you get the head from what mission
first guy i picked been loving him so far speccing in shield tree and clone tree decent dps with survivability
If you unlock the capstone skill for the undercover tree you can pair it with a legendary shield called Impaler. When hit with bullet damage it fires homing spikes. The shield mod comes in different elements
The same build I use is a hex/hellwalker build where I can throw practically infinite grenades so long as something dies. Its hella fun
I don't like the diji clone skill tree. Personally find the sentinel skill tree and shield tree better.
Personal preference stnl and barrier for offence Digi clone for defense and Digi stnl for as much offence as possible
You should use the shield you get for finishing the mission children’s end in the Dahl mine, the buffs with max shield gives the cool down and when depleted you get even more cooldown so they cancel out.
3:26 if the shield has 0 capacity, isn't it at 100% all the time, though?
Good question but hard to test this....
@@bezar9934 No, you literally just look at your damage that you deal while having the more shield more damage skill equipped.
No 0 cap shields act as if you don’t have one equipped.
Where did you get your class mod plz
Omg thank god I wasn’t alone. I just kept looking at everything and I’m like Zane should be the best all around guy but like nothing feels like it aligns and synergizes correctly
Because the Rough Rider's capacity is 0, shouldn't the shield technically count as being max capacity at all times?