Ioniq 5, e-tron GT, Model 3 and e-tron 55 charging comparison
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Can’t wait to see more ioniq 5!
Bjorn talking like a sport commentator
Bjorn had 4 horses in that race.
I thought something was wrong with the video and I had to change the speed to 0.75x. Haha!
10% to 80% in 18 mins for ioniq 5 as claimed by hyundai. nice😊😊
German precision. ;-)
@@ronaldjanssen105 ohh.. WAIT..!
Well, Hyundai actually has a development center in Rüsselsheim, Germany, the Hyunday Motor Group European Technical Center. Not that far from the Nürburgring of course, that they use, same as most other car manufacturers, for tests.
IONIQ 5 is impressive, as are both etrons and the M3. Message is great. Users will win in the competition race!
Too bad that the "fat" eTron is not efficient while driving because its charging curve is really good
Q4 Etron might be better
Well, the Q4 is simply an ID.4 with a slightly different badge and an Audi branded software, but the drivetrain is the same, as is the battery technology.
@@vandita3695 Nope. Since it is VW MEB tech, not Audi's.
@@akaye7333 the e tron and id 4 have nothing in common. It is the Q4 etron that the id 4 shares a platform with
As an owner of a fat E-tron, I honestly don’t think it matters very much, compared to how fantasticly nice of a place the E-tron is to spend time. It’s just such a nice, quite, relaxing place to be :-)
And when you do need to charge, the great charging curve makes it very easy to do so.
The name IONIQ shines and rulez again! THIS is the charging speed the IONIQ deserves! 👏
Bjorn,
Based on each car EPA km/kwh, It would be interesting to see a graph of all cars of accumulated km VS time. It is entertaining to see the race but what matters is range VS time during a road trip.
Thanks for the good work!
Rather than racing to a percentage maybe the race should be to drivable range? Or amount of kwh transferred into the battery?
consumer advice were never the part of this EV hyprocrisy cult.
Because that answer is not so easy. For example - if you don't care much about consumption and have HPC chargers available - and you have such a car that is fast-charging over a wide SoC-range, you can actually re-charge some percentage of one battery-charge faster than you can drain it - which can result in higher average speed and/or just more fun driving. Others will emphasize consumption and will drive much slower, maybe even behind trucks. Another one wants the comfort and roomy-ness of a big SUV, others want to drive a sportscar.
This is all about choice, too.
The amount of kWh transferred is not a big miracle but almost always just depending on the battery's total capacity (as long as the chargers are not yet the limiting factor). Big batteries can move more kWs, regardless of 800V or 400V system.
The real interesting thing is the Ioniq 5's superb performance at 400V chargers. Hyundai has made an almost perfect charging system here which is very capable now - and in the future (the 350 kW chargers are not fully utilized with today's battery types, yet).
Exactly ! People are being fooled by unusable capacity
Exactly, a car with a small battery will win even if you get less range from 80% in that car.
And a car that charges fast but consumes more will still be charging more.
It is how fast you can recharge 400km in to the battery that is intresting for cross country tours.
Then you can plan breaks every ~400km, to pee and buy more coffe.
Real world range and efficiency per kWh should be the biggest priorities. These hugely inefficient cars like the e-tron and even the fairly poor efficiency of the Ioniq 5 need to be worked on immensely. Imagine a car that could charge as fast as the Ioniq 5, but also go 4.5 miles (6.4km) per kWh. That would mean a real world 250 miles (400km) of range for every 18 minute charge session. That would be dope!
Great video Bjørn!
Imo the km added in e.g 5, 10, 15 and 20 minutes is even more useful to know. Imo
I think we should focus on energy charged instead of a specific % since they have different size batteries, people don't care how fast they can get to X% they care how fast they can get X kilometers/miles of range. When the ioniq 5 got to 90% the etron gt already charged 10 kW more in the same time, the other etron we don't know since you don't show, and the tesla charged 5 kW less.
Looks like if range is taken into account still Tesla wins
Then Energy charged would not be relevant. Range charged would be relevant. Then Model 3 will beat them. But that car is way smaller in cubic inches then the other 3.
@@ronaldjanssen105 i love how you don't understand that you negated your own comment...
@@Loubiaaa Which kilometers? Highway speed or wltp? And if choosing highway....what speed should that be ? 120 km/h because Bjorn lives in Norway?
@@M4XC4V413R4 , on the contrary. That's you doing the contradiction. That and mixing up kW and kWh. But I think we mean the same. Range added in minutes charged is what matters. In that sense Model 3 is unbeatable. Unleast untill a more sedan like form of the kia/hyundai comes down the line.
The electric olympic games! Nice.
Great video, really cool format! Even though Tesla charged a bit slower to 90%, but we all know that Tesla will drive a noticeably bigger range out of its 90% than other 3 cars
Correct
Charge curves that rely on SoC are providing distorted information if they have different reserves of unusable capacity at the top. I suggest either 1, correct the SoC for the hidden capacity; or 2, go by miles of range added, or 3, go by kWh added.
kWh added would be the easiest, range added would be awesome
@@seb. That is my preference also, although I could live C rate per kWh added. Mostly though I'd like Bjorn to help expose the 'fastest charging' BS when different parts of the charging curve are being used. This is particularly obnoxious when it relies on a shorter range because the top of the battery charge is hidden.
IF the car has **extra** battery to provide unusable reserve that is not at the expense of range in order to juice the charging rate, then it becomes a car cost question.
The consumer should understand though that this is not a case of a better battery or a better charger. It is just a bigger battery
@@ericgold3840 clearly with EV, we're buying without knowing exactly what we pay for
Thanks Bjorn. Really nice comparison.
Finally, manufacturers are making real progress. But we also need chargers... and we have quite nothing over 50kW in Belgium (especially in the south).
The most entertaining charging videos on the Tube by FAR!! Awesome stuff! 🙌😂😂😂
Thanks, very good video Bjorn! But you were so excited that you were trying to speak faster than IONIQ charging rate ....and I couldn't really follow you 😎
The fact that Tesla has the smallest top buffer means also that 80% in Tesla is like (let's say) 90% in the others, which makes this comparison kind of unfair for it. Is that right?
But great job anyway, your commentary was fantastic :-) .
Not at all, but it means don't charge your tesla beyond 80%, unless you are willing to wait and if you go to beyond 90% you have to travel right after charging.
there is top Buffer?
No, it’s a comparison of charging speed. The fact that Tesla has no top buffer and therefore significantly slows charging speeds at high state of charge is totally relevant.
If Tesla had a bigger top buffer then it would only be called a 60 something kw pack and would charge to 90% way faster than the others. It's an awkward comparison but fun anyway. How fast your ev adds 300 kms of charge might be more usable info. And Bjorn could still talk like he was calling the Kentucky Derby lol
I think the charging "race" should be based on kWh added for the same amount of time and what range it equals according to the average efficiency for this EV.
Bjorn when you fast-forward in this kind a speed you can't catch up, so you gonna slow down fast-forward, otherwise good shieet (Y)
I would like to see the comparation between Ioniq 5, Q4 e-tron 40, ID-4, Enyaq and Mustang also Model 3. Because these ones are from the same league. Audi GT are from other league... Thanks again for your share. Very funny. One day a sport Channel will invite you to comment sport events... Thanks again
No comparison... Ioniq5 destroys them all(and m3). Meb platform is outdated...
It would be interesting to compare turning circles and whether cars will pass through a 6 foot 6 inch width restriction…
IONIQ5 throttling for a few minutes at 82% have happened in all charging test videos I've seen. Probably just a safety measure that hopefully will be removed in later software. I'm guessing EV6 will have the same.
Maybe is an ionity software bug or a temporary power grid problem.
But it´s still impressive the charging curve.
I wonder if it does some cell balancing before squeezing in more?
It’s to prevent lithium plating in the battery (causes short circuits/fires/ generally degrades battery health)
Yes, the EV6 is identical.
You sound like an auction man e-Bjorn! Great video
I'm in disbelief. How TF did you make this the most exciting RUclips video I've seen today?
I can't wait to see the kia ev6 (same platform als ioniq 5 but looks even better)
I really like the end result of Ioniq's rapid charging, but that charging curve does not look healthy. They need to fix these huge cliffs.
A comparison of how fast you can add range would be interesting and possibly a better real world use case. What about a race to add 200 miles of range for example. Really we all just want to know how long we need to charge to get to our destination or the next charger.
Thanks Bjorn for yours videos. It's helped me bought my Tesla Model 3 LR.
I think important is not the charging Power etc...most essential is how much Kilometer per hour will be charged. I think considering that ioniq 5 is not the quickest travel tool?
Dont like those "to 90%" races. I mean its ok yes, but normally you dont wanna stay so long anyway. The number that matters is how much KM you get after 15 to 20min. Thats a normal peepee an drink something brake. And in the long term we will see which battery will be usable after 8 years, if they push the battery at high state with high charge rate. Time will show.
Also 10-90% in this case, in fact it 2-3min difference for all cars. thats a relief that there are so many usable EVs now. but what does it mean on 90% KM wise, how far you can drive. People also always forget that. high KW numbers while charging doesnt mean anything! in fact the higher and longer those number and the less km you get out of it, the more you pay for your ride...
Well, the Ioniq 5 reaches 90% in 28 minutes, which is 10 minutes shorter than the ID.4/Enyaq need to get to 80%. 28 minutes is still very short for a lunch break... I think that's meaningful when comparing those vehicles, because it means it can charge 65 kWh in 10 minutes less than the ID.4 takes to charge only 61 kWh. Given that consumption is similar, it means more km recharged in less time.
Agreed. Look at 75 % instead.
What would be result in winter when battery is cold? That I will wait….
Björn has several videos charging in cold conditions. When you drive and charge, it is not a big difference to summer. If you drive and let the car stand overnight and than charge, then there is a bigger difference to summer.
@@peterhelm522 depending on car as we have seen. Some models are not able to heat battery for optimal charging
If you take range into account, you could probably put the plugger back into the stall and drive off with 80% with the Model 3 LR at 80% as it is way more efficient than the Hyundai Ioniq 5.
No ioniq 5 is more efficient than model 3
@@evagupta6474 lmao
How can the battery voltage of Model 3 be 700 V+ ... As far as i know it is 350-400 V. 800 V is avialable for Porche, Audi, Kia and Hyundai.
Ionic is not rapid gating, it's doing a SOC recalibration of the batteries to make sure that 100% is 100%, and prevent overcharging.
No, it's actually overheating. This occurs at different SoC depending on max temp. I have seen as low as 75 % when battery was hot enough.
The battle should be which car reaches something like 350km of range first from say 50km.That is what counts in practice.
In that case, Model 3 LR and e-tron GT (given it has skinny tires) would win.
The editing burden on Bjørn to do the math and create the graphic overlays showing range gained so that he can narrate that instead would be huge. We'd get a lot fewer TeslaBjørn videos to watch, which is bad for us and for him.
I was entertained and I learned something, that's good enough for me.
@@KevinT3141 the range depends very much on the speed, especially with cars with high wind resistance. So Björn would have to overlay at least two speeds, 90 and 120 km/h. I would love to see 140 km/h, that is my highway speed (Germany), I think the best speed for quickest drive with the Model 3
These charging speeds are just amazing.
After watching this…..I really can’t understand why anyone would choose an MEB based vehicle (any) over an E-GMP based vehicle. Hyundai clearly threw everything but the kitchen sink at this platform and man….does it show. Do I wanna wait 18 minutes to 80% or 35-40 minutes…..yeah, goodbye lol.
Because in the real world (outside of youtube) this is the least important argument for most people. 80% of the drives in Europe are 30km or less. And the car will load the majority of his life on a 7kW wall plug. So the people buy what they like ;)
That Ionity save-screen that we can see in the e-tron session is very cool!
Is a pity that it doesn't get used on more Ionity charger 😂
Hey Bjorn! What a commentator you are! Gut
Ioniq is a beast in many ways. They did a great job.
what is going on with that charging curve. the dip at 67 is iritating but the one an 80 goes right down - was that a rapidgate or the planned curve?
Great job, but would be great to see kW charged on the same time chart, so it's more a direct charged kW/min.
The dip in the charging others have reported as well, even though it seemed way worse here, interesting.
I think you did a few 10% to 80% in your tests, was that consistent?
Edit: I just checked another video where the dip was softer but already at 60%, the reviewer mentioned a battery care notification.
kW or kWh charged?
Progress - and the Ioniq5/EV6 - is coming!
Ioniq 5 😲 10%-80% champion
Is the Ioniq the least expensive car in this test?
Ionic 5 reaching 51 degrees, how does that compare to typical tesla temperature when supercharging? Sounds like it's is a bit hot?
Depends on the specific battery, but most of the Teslas I’ve seen reach about the same temperature. Keep in mind though, different battery chemistries are more or less heat tolerant than others, and the location of the temperature sensor can make a difference as well. In other words, it’s hard to compare battery temperatures directly between completely different vehicles
Bjorn I would like to know what are the speeds on a 400v based fast charger, here in spain there are not so many 800v based chargers and I would like to compare it to 400v based charging speed cars
Nice. I hope to see noise test in Ioniq 5 too. Not to mention IMO it will be interesting to see the same tests of EV6, which will come with a slightly bigger battery in EU.
@Michal check out Banana Box for Ioniq5. The video is fun!
@@ChristophLeitl already did, thanks!
Ioniq 5 is impressive and e-tron is so consistent.
I like a constant charging curve like e-tron but the ioniq 5/Etron gt curve is also very good instead of M3.
800V is much more suitable for deliver 250 kW for more time.
No, its down to battery chemistry mostly...
@@DG-uv3zw ok, but charger side the consistency is also due to the 800V architecture.
Ioniq 5 is so intresting, but im a bit skeptical in terms of Hyundai's way to deliver EVs that dont tend to catch fire duing charging. I would love to hear Bjorn's thoughs about this!
Will be interesting to see how many they can produce. Tesla is going to making model 3 & Y at a rate of over a million year by the end of this year and over 3 million a year in the next year as Texas and Berlin ramp. I gotta think that the competition is going to need to ramp to more that a few thousand here and there to become relevant.
That was LG's fault, not Hyundai's. The Chevy Bolt used the same cells and is being recalled now to swap them all out as well. Chevy's software fixes in their initial recalls didn't stop the fires, underscoring the fact that the problem is out of the auto makers' hands.
When are you starting the horse racing commentator gig?
@Bjørn what were you saying regarding Tesla being the only one ... at 4:55 - I couldn't understand.
I think he says that at 100% the battery in Teslas is indeed fully charged. Where as the others have a top buffer. Battery is not fully charged at 100% to protect the battery. And they can also charge faster to "100%" this way
what I feel weird about ist. etron GT has constantly 250kw. but Model 3 falls pretty fast to 120kw, but still etron gt never overtake model till 50%. with HALF speed. that just doesnt make any sense too me. something is very off with those kw numbers...
Total battery capacity is different
Check kWh added on the screens instead of percentage... It's not wrong.
How does id4 charging pattern compares to these 4?
there is a mistake, the fat e tron had a SOC of 83kWh during 6 month, then it's 85kWh
"Fat E-Tron for the win!" 🤣🤣🤣
This is great - but how many chargers out there now can actually deliver 800V charging other than Ionity?
I've found in Germany allego enbw 350KW chargers In Poland there should be at least one from greenway polska sa. In the netherlands we have fastnet and shell recharge with some 350KW chargers. Ionity is building in Poland but not one is opened yet.
Gridserve.
The best will be to have classic Ioniq 28kWh with Ioniq 5 charging speed. 90% in 7minutes on charger. We do not need so big batteries during the week, and on weekend 7+7 charging minutes is fine for longer trip. Cars would be so much chaper (with small batteries) and much more usefull for long trips with charging time similar to fossil's refueling.
Charging at 7.7 C? That will fry the battery for sure.
@@bjornnyland Of course 😉 But....maybe in the future science will find the way... Hmm, new types of batteries will be probably more realistic 👍
It's a 50kw charging station good enough?
What does Norway find the best to use?
50 kW is good enough if the car is able to hold the charge at 40-50 and if you have good range. Used 50 kW chargers a lot this summer with the ID3 when driving around Norway.
What speed charger were u using
Can’t wait to see EV6..
The PHAT e-tron for the Gold!!
Is it really true that IONIQ5 only charges 50kW max on a 400v charger? Seen lots of GUESSING comments saying that if Tesla opens up their network, then 800V cars like IONIQ5 and EV6 only charges at 50kW because their network is 400V (everyone else is pretty much 800V or better here in Scandinavia)... No proof from any camp.
Well if the IONIQ5 pulled the same power at half the voltage, we would be seeing ~530A @ 400V. A tall order for 400V stations. I'd like to see it confirmed too. IONIQ5 has 400 / 800V charging, meaning that it must have an on-board dc-dc converter to boost 400V to 800V. The question is how many amps it can handle for the power density that they're able to fit under the hood. My guess is the on-board charger must support DCFC as well as AC charging, with all components rated higher than 400V
@@Infinion Exactly. Everyone is just guessing and saying this or that and HYUNDAI have not confirmed anything about any numbers on 400V. I wish a current owner or reviewer could test it for us, but it seems to be hard to find 400V charging stations that are not already capped at 50kW...
@@Danne89 @Danne89 There might be more information in the service manuals, where we can look at the electrical diagrams.
However if we were to assume for now that 300A is the current limit for the OBC as we see in this 800V charging session, then peak current at 400V @ 300A will provide up to 120kW of power or 1.69C charging rate for the 71 kWh pack size.
@@Danne89 SuC topped at 400V. another guess.
@@mattaut88 It's what everyone is saying on the Tesla Forums when they're bashing 800V charging cars if Tesla opens their charging network. "IONIQ5 will block superchargers longer because it can only charge for 50kW on Superchargers as they're 400V". This is why I asked this question...
Thx bjorn! Wait to see battery degradation .
Too true. Tesla has shown they can keep the battery happy for a very long time. Rather wait a few minutes extra.
@@moestrei You don`t wait few minutes extra, Tesla is charging much faster because of the efficency! This is just fun to look at but km added for time, is what counts... it`s just deceiving...
@@DG-uv3zw My car has done 307.000km with the 1st battery and only 9.4% degradation. If there is a SuC or a 50kW charger i use the 50kW and wait 10 more minutes for the gentler charge. On ScanMyTesla i can see that the battery stays cooler that way. I would not be surprised if cars like Taycan and Etron show high degratation in a few years, time will tell.
@@DG-uv3zw Misunderstanding here: We are talking about accelerated degradation due to aggressive charge curves. Of course what really matters is km / hour range gain.
Spoken like a true sports match commenting on the race. Haha nice way of giving us the results. Once again Ioniq for the win. 💪🏻
Is the E-Tron GT 85KW a 93KW battery with 85 useable?
yes
*kWh
777 / 5000
Ioniq 5 reaches 80% in 18 minutes and has a WLTP range of 481 km. Then it has charged 70% x 481km = 337 km in 18 minutes from 10%.
e-tron GT has at the same time reached 78% and has a WLTP range of 487 km. 68% x 487 km = 331 km
Model 3 LR has reached 72% and has a WLTP range of 567 km. 62% x 567 km = 351 km
e-tron 55 (the fat one :-) has reached 61% and has a WLTP range of 424 km. 51% x 424 km = 216 km
So Ioniq 5 was fastest at 80% in the promised 18 minutes. But the e-tron GT charges faster, but only reaches almost the same km in 18 minutes.
In fact the Model 3 LR wins. It has charged the most km in 18 minutes!
And the fat one is very slow with the fewest km in 18 minutes.
Maybe it should be a new measurement procedure? How many km can be charged in 18 minutes. It is easy to measure :-)
E-tron GT, IMO is the fastest, in the same time, 32min, puts more 10khw in the batery, compared whith I5 !
Impressive commentary. Lol
why is TM3 OBD telling SoC BMS 89%, SoC Display% while the screen shows 86 %? Which one is the closest to the truth ?
That screen belongs to Ioniq, not Model 3.
@@bjornnyland ohhh ok, thanks for telling me !
Hey can you compare the eTron to a Q4 eTron
Q4 has much slower charging rate, but it`s more efficient. Anyway, Etron 55 is much bigger vehicle...
Ioniq5 for the win!!!
Set playback speed to 0.75x for real time :D
Fat E-Tron
- Bjørn Nyland
This should go to the history books 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kind of reminds me of Fat playstation which actually is a cool analogy.
I'll put my bet on a Korean horse next time .
Are you trying to call a race?!? Speaking so fast! LOL
Hi Bjorn, We can not conclude based on only one vehicle of each model. If you do same test on at least 5 vehicles of each model it will give better picture based on statistical data. Because the battery homogeneous will not be same for each vehicle of same model ! Test will give better idea for conclusion.
Incorrect. They use the exact same battery and has the exact same charging curve. Trust me.
Bjorn should take up a second job as a horse racing commentator :D
Can the Ioniq 5 charge at 50kw 400v chargers?
Yes
@@bjornnyland Do you know how fast it charges on 400v chargers? Does it keep max 300A => Would be max 120kW
Lol this video reminds me of like horse racing or a video game competition
The e-tron GT is almost perfect, if not for its big price tag.
and poor packaging (length to space ratio)
Perfect for what? lol...for a family car? no... we all have different needs...
Great vid!!
Apples and pears.... but still thanks for the "race".
Not at all. This race was to compare the fastest charging batteries on the market today.
Audi crazy win, it just dominates overall
But not in efficiency.
@@bjornnyland Efficiency isn't the only thing in life. If not, we would all be driving Ioniq and Citroen C4.
Audi offers the most luxury and soundproofing, it weighs.
Based on this performance, I have little doubt that you could double up as a horse racing announcer. You are far too good to work in the F1 racing announcer. Many of them are jokers.
And km /min the winner is still Ioniq 5? Telsa is more efficient, but way slower
@@rogerstarkey5390 That sure is going to be interesting! 🤔👍🏼
Model 3 is actually the fastest one. This clearly shows in the 1000 km challenge. That's what I was talking about by the end of the video when I said "Let's not ruin the fun".
@@bjornnyland Thanks! I watched little bit of the live, so I'm excited to see 1000km too. Heck! Ioniq5 was the first bananabox I watched fully. (I know.
.! This makes me an outcast. 😁)
Lol, no, you`re way off... in terms of km/min model 3 is light years ahead...(and I can bet Model Y also...)
@@DG-uv3zw yeah.. Light years ahead! Both had 10 hours, except Ioniq5 did it in rainy weather. Lol(?)
Instead of 2 E-Tron, I would have replaced one with a Mach-E
Rumour has it that the Mach-E is still charging to 100 % 😉
Because e-tron gt is another 800v based Ev and the old e-tron is the fastest 0-100% soc. Mach-e doesn't stand a chance
Horse race ?
not impressed by 800v
I don't think you know enough about 400V vs 800V to know when to be impressed.
@@Danne89 there is none, at cell level ;)
Cell level voltage is irrelevant in this case. The higher system voltage is all about doing more work with the same amount of current, which allows for higher power motors and better charging speeds without the need for physically larger wiring and electronic components. It’s the same reason we use higher voltages for high load components in other applications.
Try sticking your fingers in the socket and saying that :D :D :D
@@mattaut88 Watts = Volts x Amps. Double the Volts and you have half the Amps. Now, losses are caused by (internal) Resistance. Those losses are Amps SQUARED x Resistance. Less Amps = a lot less losses. At cell level no difference, that is true as you add up internal resistance in series. The big thing is: 800V in a 400V world causes a lot of losses and possible limits when charging on 400V chargers due to the DC/DC conversion required. Could be that future trucks require 800V systems. But cars? Questionable.
the TM3 is the first loser here. Impressive.
*loser
But Model 3 has the best 1000 km time.
@@bjornnyland yes, it keeps its advance in terms of comsumption, and though speed for long run.
But I said "here", on this particular test.