@@bjornnyland do you think a fossil powered generator would be better in terms for this use? With regards to power and capacity? Also probably quite a bit cheaper
I don't think so. Honda eu32i (industrivarer.no/str%C3%B8maggregat-eu-32i): - 2600 W continous power - 37,500 kr - 30 kg with full tank EcoFlow Delta Max: - 2400 W continous power - 24,500 kr - 22 kg
Hey Bjorn, thanks for the many years of great content! The zero mile test, and “camping” are excellent recent innovations. For the last few days, I’ve been thinking you’ll want a backup to your backup. Winter is coming! Also, really enjoyed Isabel’s Kempower onesie. Thanks for taking the pain for us, so we can all learn from Uncle Bjorn!
It's so good that you can go even a little bit beyond zero on EVs. Lowest I ran my Tesla model 3 LR was 3% on my way to a charger when I accidentally took a wrong turn. Barely go below 10% these days.
This episode shows that even someone as experienced as Bjorn can have "range anxiety" when they have a short time-fuse (need to get home to "wifey"), but have no charging opportunities. This is why I typically stop to charge when I get to 15 to 20% on long trips, rather than pushing it to 5% or less as he does. I also tend to over-charge by at 10 to 15% when traveling, as I have an older pre-heat pump Model 3, so there can be significant variability in consumption based on HVAC settings. Luckily, Norway has lots of charging stations. Hopefully America will wake up soon and start installing stations all over the place.
Bjorn, you are a great tester and your criticism is often perfectly critical and rightful. However, putting the charging port on the side which the traffic is on is just objectively worse. Yes in this case it might be safe, but it is STILL safer on the side of the grass. Imagine being on the highway, you dont wanna be on the side of the big trucks, even if it is for 5 seconds. 😅
For those charging in their private (and fairly narrow) garage it is a lot more practical to have the charge port on the left side. The reason being you would park the car so the right side is close to the garage wall so you more easily can get out of the drivers side door on the left and then the charging port is more accessible on the left side. Drives plug in the cable in their garage frequently, but they don’t emergency charge on the side of the road frequently.
Wow, that was an unexpected turn in the video. The car indicated it had 7 km of range left but it did not allow you to move at all (14:38). Very bizarre. Luckily the EV that I'm getting (Kia EV6) has a little bit of reserve buffer after it hits 0%. Even though I don't ever plan to take it that low, it gives me some peace of mind. It appears this model of Audi e-tron has no buffer, 0% is true zero.
LOVING this new series! Very interesting and useful to see what various EV's do when you kill them. 4% is the lowest I ever ran my Tesla M3P down to. Since it has a 3kwh buffer, it was really closer to 7-8%. Don't plan on running it any lower for degradation purposes...
It'd be interesting to see one of these videos where you get help from EV rescue roadside assistance. I assume they have them in Norway, I know they do in the UK at least where they have rescue vans with battery packs that can AC-charge your car on the spot until you have enough juice to get to the nearest charging station. Maybe you could even do it as a planned collaboration with the company, like they agree to be on camera and maybe even answer questions in exchange for the "free" publicity.
Maybe the charging losses on some cars are much higher so less of the EcoFlow energy actually makes it into the car's battery. Rest of energy is wasted running computers, bms, cooling pumps, etc. Charging on solar could actually be discharging the car's battery if the car's background consumption while charging is higher than what is supplied by the small solar panels.
Watching this video, this BMS software clearly wasn't designed with the user in mind. This is ridiculous, it's like the engineer's first attempt at a BMS and then that's slapped in a production car without testing.
You’re right that there has to be a minimum power, when I did a similar test on my Ioniq, I noticed that when charging the car will automatically start charging the 12v battery at around 300W. If I reduced the 120v current to 6A and then used the cars ability to further reduce current it charged for 15 minutes then shut off
So, the management system updated the range with the new charge percentage after the car went to sleep for a few minutes. Good to know that if anybody have to go trough this case of emergency - charging scenario.
We are getting our e-tron 55 s-line black line edition in September so this test is very interesting. Keep up the good work man. (I’m from Thailand as well, but I can’t speak any Thai sorry).
In the Netherlands we sometimes do cycle close to cars. Especially in busy small streets and close to traffic lights, where space is at a premium. But you're right, when you're off the busy streets, generally it is not an issue. The problem is you never know when people or fast agressive or inattentive drivers or drunk people (on bikes) do something out of the ordinary. Logic then says it is better design to have the chargeport on the right side, which is the right side. Just look at all the car crash and accident videos. Strange things do happen regularly. I think it perhaps depends if you live closer to the city or more rural.
Not from my experience (also in the Netherlands). Probably your charge port and cable aren’t sticking out more than your mirrors so if they hit your charging port they would also hit your (folded) mirrors.
The weight of the additional electrons added to the EcoFlow battery will make it even heavier to carry back to the car. Luckily for Bjorn, the e-tron roared back to 25% power.
@@bjornnyland well, a WHXC2400i genny weighs 20kg dry and 24.5kg full and will deliver 8kWh on a tank (5L) of fuel. Admittedly it’s continuous rating is 2100W.
In the UK it is advisable to have your bonnet up when broken down as a way of helping to make your car more visible and make other drivers aware that you're stranded.
More essential equipment to pack? Battery scooter with trailer!!, and gift for Farmer / Farmer's wife? ... I predict this won't be the last time you need their help
PRO-TIP Bring the cable over the top of the mirror even safer makes the cable stay in.. and out of your way also when you open and close the door to get in and out... You like that sheet ?? Eh eh ??
Your determination is amazing, charging fat e-tron with solar PV panels at the Norwegian sunset!! And the zero mile vidoes so important....can't wait till you don't hate with the Tesla Model 3 Performance...
I would suggest to buy 2 or 3 safety cones and maybe orange led blinking lamp. In most of countries driving car with hazard lights on is illegal... Safety cones will enforce other cars to keep distance while overtaking....
Once you get an error-message on the e-tron, it does take time for it to fully power down or some procedure I'm not sure about for it to clear. The other day it gave me a message I had to change the battery of my keyfob, so I replaced it, got back in the car to see if the error cleared, nope, still there. Changed the battery again, still giving me the error. Shutting the car down/starting 10 times, rebooting the MMI, error still comes up. Next day I get in the car, no more error.
Come on, are you so stubborn about the charging port side that even on a car that has a port on both sides, you refuse to use the obviously best side to charge for the situation just because the side you prefer is “not that bad”? 🤣
@@sergeikulichkov7748 the disadvantage of front chargers is if you damage your front slightly the damage isn't limited on the bumper but the charge port etc can also get damaged. But otherwise it's a good place.
Jup. It would make the videos so much better if he would cut this stuff. Also: "I open the hood since fossil cars when they have a problem, you have to open the hood. With EVs, when we run out of battery, we don't have to open the hood". I mean, like...REALLY?!? There is a lot to be criticized about ICE cars, but making dumb statements like that is actually harming the cause for EVs rather than helping. Especially if you get stranded in your EV 5 minutes later like an idi*t :D
That was an legit adventure movie. As the sun was setting down I was wondering if this would turn into a horror movie but hey, I'm fine with the happy ending! 😂🤣
Just wondering, but I think you already did... Is there a location where you can go to 0% at higher altitude, so when the car declares zero charge, there is a close downhill to charge the car? I am not sure it could cut it, but again, just saying ...
Press car with out of balance pack perhaps? It only had 8k on the clock so shouldn’t be knackered. Also did you get a flat or is the tpms a bit flaky like the bms?
New Xpeng G6 or 2022 Audi e-tron 55 Bjørn, I´m torn in all directions.. Newer, better range, better charging speed, better infotainment vs looks and German Premium? Do you have any piece of advice please.
Bjorn I know that 1000km test is great for traveling comparison, but many people drive mostly in city. It will be great to see what is the consumption in city with heavy traffic driving, when most of the people go from work to home. The 1000km traveling test is the one side of the coin, the other side is city traffic driving. I think 100km will be enough for comparison the EVs. Just think about it 🙂. Best regards
It's like the light test and the residents of the house at the crossroads: there's the same guy again and his car breaks down again 😄 Its look like, the BMS messed up a little bit. Maybe a discharge protection with a timer?!
Everyone raves constantly about the range of the E-tron being shit. Well...yes, it's thirsty. But I regurarly get around 400+ km from mine if I'm driving on b-roads. On highways (120km/h) yes, a 165km trip drains about 60-65%. Admittedly, I've only had mine for 3,5 months now so only summer driving. Still a bit nervous about winter. For anyone interested, average consumption from 13000 km has been 23,3 kwh/100km And another thing...this car is just unbelievably comfortable. It's honestly mental. Still after this time I sometimes get amazed by it's comfort level.
Yea for what is a fairly old car now the competition isn't that far out in front in terms of efficiency, with the exception of Tesla as always. Similar sized and specc'd SUVs with dual motors will achieve better range/efficiency but not enormously.
@@chrischild3667 Teslas mostly charge to 80% bc it takes so long to charge to 100% @ a SuC. Most EVs are not much better on the motorway due to aero drag.
Walking around on the road to plug in emergency charging is stupid, even if it's fast. Some roads can be very busy and the speed high and egoists may try to push by even with oncoming traffic.
Its good to know that the etron takes a long time in the "off position" to recover the power. Kyle Conner discovered there was no buffer below zero when it was introduced.
you might wanna check some information on the 12 volt battery for the eletronics ... that might be a factor also the nio might not have this problem because the internal battery supplying the electronics the power requirement is not as high as some European cars
@Bjorn were you talking about getting 2x of "EcoFlow RIVER Pro Extra Battery" this battery ? and it allows you to run faster AC Charging when you have 2
@@bjornnyland Audis dont go into sleep mode with hazard lights on . This is why you couldnt get out of that emergency state where it didnt let you start the car. How do i know? Im working at VW and to prevent the car from shutting down we have to turn on the hazards during software updates. Im guessing it let you start the car after a while because 12v got so low that it shut down regardless of the hazards. *I should add that i dont work at vw directly but at a dealership
Haha I almost thought you were joking earlier about that walk of shame ;) Good you're doing this though. It really shows how different cars behave, and the issues with them being little "black boxes" because the behavior isn't really documented or well understood. Imagine being in extreme cold or heat, with a battery pack like that for emergencies, and then needing it and finding out that after discharging 2 kWh into the car it still won't move. Sure in most places there are enough houses around to just walk up to them or cell phone reception to call for help, but I could definitely imagine someone getting screwed by something like this, trying to turn on the car, finding it's not working, and not trying again later anymore.
Björn, what brand of slow charger did you use (de cable with the lcd info screen)? Love your video's. Greatings from Holland where we don't wanne bike so close to cars😜😎. Björn
What’s the effect of such a test on the battery, like degradation or damage? Or „good“ for the BMS to balance in a better way the modules? Any idea or experiences on them?
well in general all manuals say you should never run it down to a full stop (so 0% or below) because it may damage your battery. youtube testers love to do it for the kick and likes/views and it is never their car but I would never ever do that with my own car 🤷♂️
@@tesla-spectre It doesn't just automatically damage the batteries. It does about the same damage as leaving your battery at 100% since the bms won't (at least shouldn't) allow discharge below the safe level of around 2.7-2.8v. I think the current theory is that damage is done with either very high or very low charge level + high temperature at those levels + time spent at those levels. So leaving it at 0 or 100% for days would probably show some degradation, but I haven't seen any tests to prove that
@@EndstyleGG didnt say it does , only that it is not recommended for risk of damage. would actually be good if the carmakers would do also for that standardised tests : like driving 1000 cars to standstill and also charge them to 100% and then see what happens over time ... so far we do not really now what happend and with what probability
10:00 No sane cyclist would pass this close to parked cars. This is fine. Because cars are, not only dangerous, while rolling around, they are also pretty dangerous, parked. Drivers have a tendency to open their door unexpectedly. I almost went under a passing car, and seriously limped for more than 1 week because of that. In french, we even have a name for this. It's called "emportierage" (roughly translated as, slaming in the door) This is why you should always stay a little bit less than 1m, away from parked cars.
Is the Audi mis-reporting charge level after it was totally discharged because of the BMS normalising? Or is it because the battery may have been damaged by running it completely flat? What gross level does the battery actually have at zero percent indicated?
Oh man Björn, if you drive a diesel Audi or another premium car from Germany, then you will never have problems refueling with electricity, even if it is no longer possible to charge the e-car during a blackout, at the gas station there will be power units with little power that the drive fuel pump.
@@bjornnyland In practice, not really relevant such provoked events - funny for nerds, entertaining yes. Explain why charging with the power box works without grounding there. Look here: ruclips.net/video/wduFxsb5hU0/видео.html ruclips.net/video/x0JTtqvABC8/видео.html
@@jrherita Eh, since they put inadequate cooling system in it, the least they could have done is not paint it black. But yea, gotta make it look good and all that ye, so black paint it is, even if counterproductive to it heating even more in the sun...
This was a great one. Do you personally carry around a backup battery pack like the ecoflow on your personal car? If so, have you ever used it in a real-life scenario?
He just bought it, see this video posted 4 days ago where he picked it up: ruclips.net/video/9fMbG0x7K6M/видео.html And the reason he bought it was to do exactly this test with draning the test cars to 0% until it stops.
I would never... ways a lot and takes up a lot of soacw for in the end what was it a real 1.3-1.5kWh ? not worth it Inqouöd say. never let it go below 3-4% and usually aim for 5-10% on long trips
For example, in a tesla i would assume having such redundancy would be pretty useless, got like 34km range under 0%, doubt anyone could really manage to be stranded with that. And that 34km is for driving at around 60 - 70km/h in twisty country roads with AC fans still running, you can probably hypermile it a bit if you have the need for even more range. The optimal is said to be going at 38 km/h, which is what they used for tesla hypermiling record. You can probably have around 45km range under 0% that way. Even in the middle of nowhere it would be pretty much impossible to be stranded, unless you are the worst planner in the world i suppose...
I do not own an EV but I am seriously considering getting one and just wanted to understand if range anxiety is that bad that someone would actually carry an extra battery for emergencies. Thanks for all the comments. I can see that Bjørn only uses it for video purposes and cars usually have quite a lot of range below 0% just in case someone is a very bad planner. 👌🏻
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I wonder what Audi will do with it because it is quite disturbing that the car does not want to go after emergency charging, good job Bjorn.
This felt like Bjørn in the old days. Which i love. Somewhat out of control and going with the flow
Going with the EcoFlow.
@@bjornnyland hahah
@@bjornnyland do you think a fossil powered generator would be better in terms for this use? With regards to power and capacity? Also probably quite a bit cheaper
I don't think so. Honda eu32i (industrivarer.no/str%C3%B8maggregat-eu-32i):
- 2600 W continous power
- 37,500 kr
- 30 kg with full tank
EcoFlow Delta Max:
- 2400 W continous power
- 24,500 kr
- 22 kg
The farmer must be thinking: "The same guy with the same problem at the same spot..." LOL.
:-D
But different car.
Hey Bjorn, thanks for the many years of great content! The zero mile test, and “camping” are excellent recent innovations. For the last few days, I’ve been thinking you’ll want a backup to your backup. Winter is coming! Also, really enjoyed Isabel’s Kempower onesie. Thanks for taking the pain for us, so we can all learn from Uncle Bjorn!
I need more hair-dryer heated pizza moments.
Luckily, this farmer had not been talking to the other farmer that gets high beamed late at night 🙂
It's so good that you can go even a little bit beyond zero on EVs. Lowest I ran my Tesla model 3 LR was 3% on my way to a charger when I accidentally took a wrong turn. Barely go below 10% these days.
this is great fun to watch. I am so glad you hit problems, they make great entertainment!
This episode shows that even someone as experienced as Bjorn can have "range anxiety" when they have a short time-fuse (need to get home to "wifey"), but have no charging opportunities. This is why I typically stop to charge when I get to 15 to 20% on long trips, rather than pushing it to 5% or less as he does. I also tend to over-charge by at 10 to 15% when traveling, as I have an older pre-heat pump Model 3, so there can be significant variability in consumption based on HVAC settings. Luckily, Norway has lots of charging stations. Hopefully America will wake up soon and start installing stations all over the place.
“HVAC settings”, is that what we call throttle pedals now?
@@magnusbae No, HVAC is the abbreviation for Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning.
Bjorn, you are a great tester and your criticism is often perfectly critical and rightful. However, putting the charging port on the side which the traffic is on is just objectively worse. Yes in this case it might be safe, but it is STILL safer on the side of the grass. Imagine being on the highway, you dont wanna be on the side of the big trucks, even if it is for 5 seconds. 😅
With that kind of thinking, you won't ever get in or out of the car, man. Get serious.. :))
Some new eTrons have charge ports on both sides, maybe a higher trim level...
For those charging in their private (and fairly narrow) garage it is a lot more practical to have the charge port on the left side. The reason being you would park the car so the right side is close to the garage wall so you more easily can get out of the drivers side door on the left and then the charging port is more accessible on the left side. Drives plug in the cable in their garage frequently, but they don’t emergency charge on the side of the road frequently.
regarding the cable....if you have a port on the right side even if you say its the wrong side you should use that side since its not on the road side
Wow, that was an unexpected turn in the video. The car indicated it had 7 km of range left but it did not allow you to move at all (14:38). Very bizarre.
Luckily the EV that I'm getting (Kia EV6) has a little bit of reserve buffer after it hits 0%. Even though I don't ever plan to take it that low, it gives me some peace of mind. It appears this model of Audi e-tron has no buffer, 0% is true zero.
You need to call a friend with an Ioniq 5 or EV6.
V2L wins
Great episode, I died when you connected the solarpanel 👍🏻🤣
Yeah it was hilarious :)
LOVING this new series! Very interesting and useful to see what various EV's do when you kill them.
4% is the lowest I ever ran my Tesla M3P down to. Since it has a 3kwh buffer, it was really closer to 7-8%.
Don't plan on running it any lower for degradation purposes...
This is the best thriller I’ve ever seen last time :)
It'd be interesting to see one of these videos where you get help from EV rescue roadside assistance. I assume they have them in Norway, I know they do in the UK at least where they have rescue vans with battery packs that can AC-charge your car on the spot until you have enough juice to get to the nearest charging station. Maybe you could even do it as a planned collaboration with the company, like they agree to be on camera and maybe even answer questions in exchange for the "free" publicity.
Maybe the charging losses on some cars are much higher so less of the EcoFlow energy actually makes it into the car's battery. Rest of energy is wasted running computers, bms, cooling pumps, etc. Charging on solar could actually be discharging the car's battery if the car's background consumption while charging is higher than what is supplied by the small solar panels.
Any differences between cars in this test are mostly just differences in how the BMS has been programmed.
Watching this video, this BMS software clearly wasn't designed with the user in mind. This is ridiculous, it's like the engineer's first attempt at a BMS and then that's slapped in a production car without testing.
You’re right that there has to be a minimum power, when I did a similar test on my Ioniq, I noticed that when charging the car will automatically start charging the 12v battery at around 300W. If I reduced the 120v current to 6A and then used the cars ability to further reduce current it charged for 15 minutes then shut off
Range: 6km, Power available 0%. Vorsprung durch Technik......WTF, Audi.
So, the management system updated the range with the new charge percentage after the car went to sleep for a few minutes. Good to know that if anybody have to go trough this case of emergency - charging scenario.
We are getting our e-tron 55 s-line black line edition in September so this test is very interesting. Keep up the good work man. (I’m from Thailand as well, but I can’t speak any Thai sorry).
Why does the UI on all this modern cars look like they are running WinXP with custom iconset they downloaded for free 🙄😄
Yes of course we cycle that close to each other in the Netherlands ... we have a densely populated country. 🙂
In the Netherlands we sometimes do cycle close to cars. Especially in busy small streets and close to traffic lights, where space is at a premium. But you're right, when you're off the busy streets, generally it is not an issue. The problem is you never know when people or fast agressive or inattentive drivers or drunk people (on bikes) do something out of the ordinary. Logic then says it is better design to have the chargeport on the right side, which is the right side. Just look at all the car crash and accident videos. Strange things do happen regularly. I think it perhaps depends if you live closer to the city or more rural.
Not from my experience (also in the Netherlands). Probably your charge port and cable aren’t sticking out more than your mirrors so if they hit your charging port they would also hit your (folded) mirrors.
I think you should name these test series as "I drove the [car name] until the battery died", that way you will get more views. :)
Agreed!
Quite a workout you had there. Thank you for your efforts; I got some good ideas from this vid.
Thanks again and cheers.
The weight of the additional electrons added to the EcoFlow battery will make it even heavier to carry back to the car. Luckily for Bjorn, the e-tron roared back to 25% power.
A small “suit case” generator would be a better option. A lot lighter and more energy storage.
Incorrect. A generator that can sustain 2.4 kW is a lot heavier than the 22 kg EcoFlow.
@@bjornnyland well, a WHXC2400i genny weighs 20kg dry and 24.5kg full and will deliver 8kWh on a tank (5L) of fuel. Admittedly it’s continuous rating is 2100W.
9:36 yes poking out ~20 cm in the road, not a good side for charge port. Charge port on the right side is the right side.
In the UK it is advisable to have your bonnet up when broken down as a way of helping to make your car more visible and make other drivers aware that you're stranded.
More essential equipment to pack? Battery scooter with trailer!!, and gift for Farmer / Farmer's wife? ... I predict this won't be the last time you need their help
Charging port on both sides? Why not charge on other side?
PRO-TIP Bring the cable over the top of the mirror even safer makes the cable stay in.. and out of your way also when you open and close the door to get in and out... You like that sheet ?? Eh eh ??
Your determination is amazing, charging fat e-tron with solar PV panels at the Norwegian sunset!! And the zero mile vidoes so important....can't wait till you don't hate with the Tesla Model 3 Performance...
Bjorn, in the Netherlands bikers are experienced, they leave PLENTY of room to parked cars 😁 no problemo!
I would suggest to buy 2 or 3 safety cones and maybe orange led blinking lamp. In most of countries driving car with hazard lights on is illegal... Safety cones will enforce other cars to keep distance while overtaking....
Ignition??? What are we igniting? A fuel-air mixture?
Once you get an error-message on the e-tron, it does take time for it to fully power down or some procedure I'm not sure about for it to clear. The other day it gave me a message I had to change the battery of my keyfob, so I replaced it, got back in the car to see if the error cleared, nope, still there. Changed the battery again, still giving me the error. Shutting the car down/starting 10 times, rebooting the MMI, error still comes up. Next day I get in the car, no more error.
Come on, are you so stubborn about the charging port side that even on a car that has a port on both sides, you refuse to use the obviously best side to charge for the situation just because the side you prefer is “not that bad”? 🤣
new Kia Niro has port in the front in the middle, that's the best spot
It’s so stupid😄 Jesus Christ
@@sergeikulichkov7748 the disadvantage of front chargers is if you damage your front slightly the damage isn't limited on the bumper but the charge port etc can also get damaged.
But otherwise it's a good place.
Front placed charge port is the only alternative for us. My wife refuses to reverse into the charger…..
Jup. It would make the videos so much better if he would cut this stuff. Also: "I open the hood since fossil cars when they have a problem, you have to open the hood. With EVs, when we run out of battery, we don't have to open the hood". I mean, like...REALLY?!? There is a lot to be criticized about ICE cars, but making dumb statements like that is actually harming the cause for EVs rather than helping. Especially if you get stranded in your EV 5 minutes later like an idi*t :D
Lesson to learn: Don't run out of charge on the e-tron 😄
This is the best content! Very entertaining 👌
That was an legit adventure movie. As the sun was setting down I was wondering if this would turn into a horror movie but hey, I'm fine with the happy ending! 😂🤣
Man ! I got a panic attack just watching this video. I can only imagine if it was me in that situation, lol
Just wondering, but I think you already did... Is there a location where you can go to 0% at higher altitude, so when the car declares zero charge, there is a close downhill to charge the car? I am not sure it could cut it, but again, just saying ...
Press car with out of balance pack perhaps? It only had 8k on the clock so shouldn’t be knackered. Also did you get a flat or is the tpms a bit flaky like the bms?
New Xpeng G6 or 2022 Audi e-tron 55 Bjørn, I´m torn in all directions.. Newer, better range, better charging speed, better infotainment vs looks and German Premium? Do you have any piece of advice please.
That E-tron looks so nice.
Bjorn I know that 1000km test is great for traveling comparison, but many people drive mostly in city. It will be great to see what is the consumption in city with heavy traffic driving, when most of the people go from work to home. The 1000km traveling test is the one side of the coin, the other side is city traffic driving. I think 100km will be enough for comparison the EVs. Just think about it 🙂. Best regards
hey Bjørn . whats the total charging time? the total kwh? and price for a full charge in NL
thanks
It's like the light test and the residents of the house at the crossroads: there's the same guy again and his car breaks down again 😄
Its look like, the BMS messed up a little bit. Maybe a discharge protection with a timer?!
Wahaahah! I laughed when I saw the solar panels out. You will be there for a week to get anything out of a 160w panel :)
Everyone raves constantly about the range of the E-tron being shit. Well...yes, it's thirsty. But I regurarly get around 400+ km from mine if I'm driving on b-roads. On highways (120km/h) yes, a 165km trip drains about 60-65%.
Admittedly, I've only had mine for 3,5 months now so only summer driving. Still a bit nervous about winter.
For anyone interested, average consumption from 13000 km has been 23,3 kwh/100km
And another thing...this car is just unbelievably comfortable. It's honestly mental. Still after this time I sometimes get amazed by it's comfort level.
Yea for what is a fairly old car now the competition isn't that far out in front in terms of efficiency, with the exception of Tesla as always. Similar sized and specc'd SUVs with dual motors will achieve better range/efficiency but not enormously.
@@chrischild3667 Teslas mostly charge to 80% bc it takes so long to charge to 100% @ a SuC. Most EVs are not much better on the motorway due to aero drag.
Having spent some time in Netherlands - yeah - they do bike that close to parked cars , regularly.. lol
You should call it the “Running on Empty” test
Walking around on the road to plug in emergency charging is stupid, even if it's fast.
Some roads can be very busy and the speed high and egoists may try to push by even with oncoming traffic.
Do you also climb over to passenger side and exit via that door? Lol
Good old times! Searching electricity from friendly locals.
This is pure thriller and suspense. Agatha Christie, go home!
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So brave ! I panic when my car gets below 20% 🤣
Haha, I feel you. I am not quite that bad, but I do not know if I have ever seen single-digit SoC on mine 😀.
I start worrying when mine gets to 60%. Lol
Why are there so many buttons and screens and crap everywhere in this car?
More thrilling to me than watching mission impossible!
What about disconnecting the 12v battery for a few mins to reset the system
“Hazard lights, also known as Audi parking lights” 😂
Very odd behaviour that the car says it has 7km of range and you can’t move.
In Germany with the bicycle you have to keep at least 1 m distance to parked vehicles. Otherwise in case of an accident you will be partly at fault.
17:45 seeing those power poles in the background, hmm, wire with a hook emergency charging?
Its good to know that the etron takes a long time in the "off position" to recover the power. Kyle Conner discovered there was no buffer below zero when it was introduced.
I love these to Zero videos Bjorn. Great job sir.
Haha! This one was awesome Bjørn🤣🤣
I'm waiting for you to brick the battery 🤣
Bjorn in Panic Mode…
Awesome mate, love it
Hi Bjorn, please make this test with a Zoe 50🤗
The car startup sounds like windows XP.
Want to see a Tesla in this test.
Hey Björn you could call the title "race to 0"
Thanks for another great video
perhaps disconnecting 12V battery would have helped?
You’re the only thai i ever heard talking about road safety 🙏
You need a biiger jerry can of "juice"..😉
Thank you for all the good work.
Do not exagerate on clickbaiting - it may have opposite effect.
At 7km of range the car should work. Part of the fun of buying Audi's "my first electric car" I guess.
Do all cars tested so far still charge the 12 V battery when turtle mode starts?
Oh, in Amsterdam bikers DO bike that close, haha. They rarely hit your car, great bikers, but yeah: no space, lots of bikes, that stuff happens haha
Bad safety by Dutch people...
you might wanna check some information on the 12 volt battery for the eletronics ... that might be a factor also the nio might not have this problem because the internal battery supplying the electronics the power requirement is not as high as some European cars
you might want to consider getting another ecowflow headunit. Extra battery cant work independently without headunit.
@Bjorn were you talking about getting 2x of "EcoFlow RIVER Pro Extra Battery" this battery ?
and it allows you to run faster AC Charging when you have 2
www.foto.no/ecoflow/140866/ecoflow-delta-max-smart-extra-battery-2016wh-for-delta-max
It may sound dumb, but the hazard lights actually didn't let the computer reset for it to give you the power needed.
The hazard lights were always on. So that's not the reason. But good guess.
@@bjornnyland Audis dont go into sleep mode with hazard lights on . This is why you couldnt get out of that emergency state where it didnt let you start the car.
How do i know? Im working at VW and to prevent the car from shutting down we have to turn on the hazards during software updates.
Im guessing it let you start the car after a while because 12v got so low that it shut down regardless of the hazards.
*I should add that i dont work at vw directly but at a dealership
Haha I almost thought you were joking earlier about that walk of shame ;)
Good you're doing this though. It really shows how different cars behave, and the issues with them being little "black boxes" because the behavior isn't really documented or well understood. Imagine being in extreme cold or heat, with a battery pack like that for emergencies, and then needing it and finding out that after discharging 2 kWh into the car it still won't move. Sure in most places there are enough houses around to just walk up to them or cell phone reception to call for help, but I could definitely imagine someone getting screwed by something like this, trying to turn on the car, finding it's not working, and not trying again later anymore.
Björn, what brand of slow charger did you use (de cable with the lcd info screen)?
Love your video's.
Greatings from Holland where we don't wanne bike so close to cars😜😎.
Björn
Evkabel.no
Honda agregat would be better =)
Nope. They are too heavy if you want 2.4 kW continuous power.
What’s the effect of such a test on the battery, like degradation or damage? Or „good“ for the BMS to balance in a better way the modules? Any idea or experiences on them?
well in general all manuals say you should never run it down to a full stop (so 0% or below) because it may damage your battery. youtube testers love to do it for the kick and likes/views and it is never their car but I would never ever do that with my own car 🤷♂️
@@tesla-spectre It doesn't just automatically damage the batteries. It does about the same damage as leaving your battery at 100% since the bms won't (at least shouldn't) allow discharge below the safe level of around 2.7-2.8v. I think the current theory is that damage is done with either very high or very low charge level + high temperature at those levels + time spent at those levels. So leaving it at 0 or 100% for days would probably show some degradation, but I haven't seen any tests to prove that
@@EndstyleGG didnt say it does , only that it is not recommended for risk of damage. would actually be good if the carmakers would do also for that standardised tests : like driving 1000 cars to standstill and also charge them to 100% and then see what happens over time ... so far we do not really now what happend and with what probability
10:00 No sane cyclist would pass this close to parked cars. This is fine.
Because cars are, not only dangerous, while rolling around, they are also pretty dangerous, parked.
Drivers have a tendency to open their door unexpectedly. I almost went under a passing car, and seriously limped for more than 1 week because of that.
In french, we even have a name for this. It's called "emportierage" (roughly translated as, slaming in the door)
This is why you should always stay a little bit less than 1m, away from parked cars.
Apparently Dutch cyclists don't care about safety and pass parked cars with 5 cm margin.
Get a friend with Ioniq5 or EV6 for those tests to be safe!
Impractical
Best video in a while!!
All this adventures remind me of the 1900s when using an ICE car was a challenge 😂
This is typical dead-battery-experience😂
Nice one.
Is the Audi mis-reporting charge level after it was totally discharged because of the BMS normalising? Or is it because the battery may have been damaged by running it completely flat?
What gross level does the battery actually have at zero percent indicated?
I think it's impossible to completely empty the battery. The BMS is designed to shut down before the battery is damaged (deep discharge).
Maybe you could do the test on a empty parking lot like IKEA or something with a charging station nearby.
Nope. It would not be as exciting. And less practical.
Looking now in the future, he took your ideea, he was running even the Frankenstein at IKEA.😊
Oh man Björn, if you drive a diesel Audi or another premium car from Germany, then you will never have problems refueling with electricity, even if it is no longer possible to charge the e-car during a blackout, at the gas station there will be power units with little power that the drive fuel pump.
No problem charging the e-tron either. This was a constructed case in case you didn't understand it.
@@bjornnyland In practice, not really relevant such provoked events - funny for nerds, entertaining yes. Explain why charging with the power box works without grounding there. Look here:
ruclips.net/video/wduFxsb5hU0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/x0JTtqvABC8/видео.html
Reminds me to avoid the EcoFlow. Nice design that lets it overheat.
I think any battery sitting on black pavement in the sun is going to have heat challenges
@@jrherita Eh, since they put inadequate cooling system in it, the least they could have done is not paint it black. But yea, gotta make it look good and all that ye, so black paint it is, even if counterproductive to it heating even more in the sun...
This was a great one. Do you personally carry around a backup battery pack like the ecoflow on your personal car? If so, have you ever used it in a real-life scenario?
He just bought it, see this video posted 4 days ago where he picked it up: ruclips.net/video/9fMbG0x7K6M/видео.html
And the reason he bought it was to do exactly this test with draning the test cars to 0% until it stops.
He just got it.
I would never... ways a lot and takes up a lot of soacw for in the end what was it a real 1.3-1.5kWh ? not worth it Inqouöd say. never let it go below 3-4% and usually aim for 5-10% on long trips
For example, in a tesla i would assume having such redundancy would be pretty useless, got like 34km range under 0%, doubt anyone could really manage to be stranded with that. And that 34km is for driving at around 60 - 70km/h in twisty country roads with AC fans still running, you can probably hypermile it a bit if you have the need for even more range. The optimal is said to be going at 38 km/h, which is what they used for tesla hypermiling record. You can probably have around 45km range under 0% that way. Even in the middle of nowhere it would be pretty much impossible to be stranded, unless you are the worst planner in the world i suppose...
I do not own an EV but I am seriously considering getting one and just wanted to understand if range anxiety is that bad that someone would actually carry an extra battery for emergencies. Thanks for all the comments. I can see that Bjørn only uses it for video purposes and cars usually have quite a lot of range below 0% just in case someone is a very bad planner. 👌🏻
Étron lives up to its name in the end