Kia EV6, Ioniq 5, e-tron and Tesla charging comparison
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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Bjorn, I've just talked with the Guinness world records commission: they agreed to give you the first prize in the category "highest number of words per second pronunciated in a youtube video"
He should become a livestock auctioneer.
I think he was trying to talk faster than the cars can charge 😂
The metric that really matters: How much range did the cars added in the same time span?
Would be a good measure to know. Here are some quick thoughts:
Tesla Model 3 is certainly faster to both 100km and 200km of range than all the others. Just after an 200 km the added range of the e-tron GT seems to overtake Model 3. The range/efficiency of EV6 and Ioniq5 is not good enough to beat Model 3 in added kilometers before some point after 80% state of charge.
I totally agree, 70% of gained charge means totally different things on those cars. It would be great to show on screen when each of the cars gained 100km (just need to know when they gained the kWh matching the estimated 100km consumption)
@@mathew-ls My guess; the Model 3 is king. It's super efficient! And the Korean cars sadly are high boxes, they need to be more aerodynamic like the Model 3. I think that would make a big difference!
well easy do the math. The EV6 charges 232kw between 25 to 35 degrees then it throttles, it went from 25 to 50% in I think 5minutes. 0.25times480km thats 120km in 5 minutes, but only momentarily. Wonder if you could keep it under 36 degrees for longer by maxing out heat, then heatpump steals temp from battery and heats up coupe..
Would you strip out all the power, agility and comfort from an e-tron GT just to get more range per time spent charging?... At least you still get a good looking chassis.
Thank you so much Bjorn for doing this video!
This is one of the only videos I have found that shows the EV6 and Ioniq 5 DC fast charging with proper volts, amps, and temperature display using OBD2 data. It looks like the max either car requests is around 300 A, so they should be able to max out charging at 350 A charging stations provided they output at least 800 V.
Could be interesting to see a translation to achieved range. More relevant than 90/100%. Like which car charges the fastest for a further 100/200/300km.
The only metric that matters.
@@abraxastulammo9940 Which translates to 1. Audi e-tron GT 2. Ioniq/Kia EV6 3. Tesla M3 and 4th eTron 55
@@Scrap-press etron is thirsty
@@Scrap-press Tesla Model 3 is certainly faster to both 100km and 200km of range than all the others. Just after an 200 km the added range of the e-tron GT seems to overtake Model 3. The range/efficiency of EV6 and Ioniq5 is not good enough to beat Model 3 in added kilometers before some point after 80% state of charge.
@@Arpedk I'm just going by Bjørn's spreadsheet.
I prefer the fat e-tron charging curve, so predictable and flexible as to when to stop. Also it does its party trick just fine at a regular 150 kW charger
Agreed. As long as the battery is not damaged etc. Although out of these cars Im not interested in the fat Etron or the model 3.
Cannot agree more.
With the e-tron you do not have to worry about arrival SOC and you know you will get 150kW till 80% and it drops very slowly beyond that
Really wish fat etron was more efficient. It would be the ultimate road trip machine. Even toilet stops of 5-10 minutes would bring lots of range to the table. Unfortunately it eats electrons for fun!
@@mkkm945 Wait for Audi e-tron facelift that would be revealed next year. - over 373 miles range (new chemistry battery) and over 200 kW charging speed.
If only EV's would charge as fast as Björn speaks, you would be on your way in record time.
Why couldn't you show some plot with SoC vs. time and charge power vs. time. It would be much easier to understand how those cars compare while charging
@Bjorn: you should update the charging video for the e-tron. all "old" e-tron 83kWh get a software update to 86.5kWh. After the update my e-tron was able to charge with 152kW (peak).
“The Korean siesta” I laughed so hard I snorted. 😂😂
I though I still had my video speed on 2times. Just checked - nope.
No seriously, you spoke soooo fast ! :0
Interesting that up to 50% SoC, the newer models are actually all the same and up to 80% SoC are only 3-4 minutes apart (e-tron 55 around 7 minutes).
In the end, the consumption decides which vehicle charges faster.
APM level (articulation per minute) = Asian
We know too much supercharging is not good for the battery. How will hypercharging with these speeds affect the batteries of Kia EV6, Ioniq 5, etc? Do we know?
Two VERY different approaches , Tesla pumps in very high amps and Hyundai/Kia use higher voltage with lower amps
@@_TrueDesire_ Which way is better for the battery?
@@plwkancelaria since im from europe im just used to having three phases each 20A into the house, higher amperage tends to run hotter. You can run anything from 100-1000V into your body but it’s the amps that will in the end kill you.
Using a higher C rating on the batteries will reduce the health in the long run too so im biased towards the 800V-1000V solution. it was over 15 years i took basic electrical curses in School so maybe a better well educated person can assist us :)
but as we know many Teslas start of great with supercharging then get reduced over time.
Bjorn, how did you managed to charge the EV6 at such speeds ? After driving for more than 100km at 120 km/h and plugging into Ionity fast charger, I managed to get max 130 kW. Did you do yo-yo driving before charging to heat up battery pack ?
Definitely buying EV6 when it's available in the states. Thank you for finally convincing me.🙏
@@danielstefanovic2604 no issue there. Home charging is all you need if you ain't road tripping. EA will improve over time once other manufacturers come up with competitive offerings and the adoption is accelerated with the infrastructure bill. I've seen plenty of RUclipsrs take Mach e and ID 4 across the country on EA with less issues. Norway has done it with third party networks. America is next. Circle K is coming, 7/11, Charge point, Blink, Evgo..,. we are gonna be alright.
Perfect, just perfect. Today I've released slightly similar video about my Ioniq 5 charging curve. 5 degrees celcius, humidity 99% and it went like a BOSS! :)
Model 3 little bit slower charging but best consumption. So longer traveling :)
The EV6 is as efficient if not more than the Model 3.
@@stockey In Björns Test. EV6 consume more than a bigger Model Y....
That's why it should be rated on how many miles recovered per minute. As in say for 10 or 20 mins in ideal conditions at an optimum speed dcfc. How many miles of range per minute is recovered while charging.
I bet that tesla wins all of those comparisons, at least until the lucid air finally enters the fray. 🤔
This is cool, what happens if you max heat in EV6/Ionic 5 when you hit 25degrees? As a means to try and help cool battery maximum before it reaches 36degrees and starts to throttle..
@Teslabjorn is the EV6 halt for a minute a charger fault or car fault? Also the EV6 battery temperature was not in a full speed mode like the Ioniq from the beginning.
Car "fault". I have experienced that it doesn't halt at all if the max battery temperature is not too high.
Hej Björn. Vore intressant att se hur ev6 och ionic laddar på 400 volt/150kw laddare. Ryktet säger att de laddar dåligt som f-n
Why do you keep the charging curve of a 2019 model 3 knowing that Tesla downgraded their charge curves even for those models? Please retest a charging curve for model 3 2019 and 2020 but with up to date software
Sorry Bjorn, I had to watch that at 0,75x speed to make it bearable ;-)
"Korean fiesta at 81% ... I cracked laughing :) but seeing the differences I still think in combination of range/efficiency and charging, M3LR still beats them all because none will in the end charge so fast to make up for the efficiency difference. One also sees that in the 1000 km challenge where M3LR is still unbeaten. Björn is just by far the best!
M3 was beaten by Kia Ceed PHEV. No longer the 1000km champ😀
@@basedw that is not a full EV so doesnt count. Just a hybrid
@@basedw Actually this is not correct. Bjørn subtracted the 25 minute loo-and-food break from the PHEV time. So in real world terms Tesla M3 was even faster than the PHEV.
On one hand you are correct plus it remains to be seen what the fast charge does to battery degradation. On the other hand M3 LR 21 face lift got a battery which charges even slower. I believe Bjorn's test is with old Panasonic.
Depends on what SoC you're starting the charge. I'd love to have flat charging courve
Isn’t the Etron the winner considering it added more kWh to the battery considering the battery capacity ?
Bjorn should announce EV racing ;)
Sadly I have heard that it is really hard to get that curve in the ioniq 5 and it can’t preheat 5-30% 55kW and then it ramps up to 150kW. Have we seen a Ioniq 5 not in summer?
Sorry to ask, but what app are you using?
Just like that, Bjorn dropped it like requested. You the Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could you make this with the C-rate of each battery? Then it's no longer relative to the size
I love your charging speed comparation 😍😂
The charging curve for the Tesla M3 LG 74 kWh battery doesn’t look like that in my car. It throttles below 100 kw before 50% SoC
Pretty happy with the current state of ev charging; Tesla was leading by example for years and now most other brands offer a decent charge speed. In the beginning I was a bit hesitant but actually having a mandatory stop after a few hours driving is definately more chill and safer compared to rushing it to your destination burning fossil for 8 hours flat, arriving dead tired.
How's the app you use for Kia and Hyundai called?
Please do talk a lot about these batteries. We want to hear you talk a lot about these batteries. Embracing for geek-out-to-teh-max video!
Hi Bjorn, what kind of app do you use to show battery data ?
Car Scanner
Bjørn, simply the best!
Hehe you would make a good auctioneer! Bjorn, I enjoy your reviews and tests. Keep Them coming.
This was so exciting and fulfilling but at the end I felt "postcoital dysphoria" :) Thanks Bjorn!
Thanks for this! Bjorn, in your experience with all kinds of EVs: what do you think about the rumored US-size battery for the Ioniq 5?
So the car which supposedly charges the slowest, ended up winning the race 🤔
Does this mean that we can’t expect quicker charging times in the future?
The others cars charging speed is not enough to catch up with Tesla efficiency.
Tesla is still the king for me
Ummm...because it's a small car ?
@@tayloryoung4974 no no absolutely, it's just their technology, it's still some year ahead
Do you know Bjørn's full speed test of a Tesla over 30 minutes? At the end of the test the battery is overheated and the maximum speed is reduced to 175 km/h. Bjørn made the same test with other electric cars without any problems. So, that's one of the quality problems Tesla cars have.
@@ev-joerg6114 yes, Teslas top speed is way over others ev top speed...others brand aren't even capable of reaching that speeds.
We have to see Audi e Tron gt and porche tycan, but we are talking about cars double the price of a model 3.
Tesla is years ahead, there is nothing to say about it.
Some brand is got at something and some at something else, but when you put everything together Tesla wins against them all
@@Baffacof The problem is that the Tesla motors cannot withstand high speeds over a long time. If a Tesla is continuously driven at high speeds, the engine can be damaged. The windings in the rotor are pushed outwards by the heat and the high speed of rotation and can touch the stator in the motor unit. The result is an engine damage. Instead of limiting the top speed to a reasonable level in order to achieve high quality, Tesla prefers to rely on lower durability and more driving fun, which can ultimately cost the owner dearly. A work colleague has been in a legal dispute with Telsa for months because the engine of his Tesla is defective due to many high-speed trips. You can also find out that this is a general problem at Tesla on RUclips in the AT-Zimmermann channel. Sorry for my bad english, but I think you understand what I want to tell you.
Charging seems to be sped up around 15X.
A real-time clock would have been so valuable!
I always use 10x speed.
"Turning up the pitch" without turning up the pitch. haha
e-tron gt 60kwh in 17mins is crazy
we need rapper bjorn
Bjorn! you could be a latin american soccer or horse race narrator hahaha
Would be nice to know battery degradation curves for all of these 🙂
They will all be fine as long as they don't supercharge in a daily basis... Most people charge their EVs at home (slow speed) to 80% and use the superchargers occasionally, when travelling.
Love your videos!!
The main advantage of 800V system is that the power cables can be half the thicness, compared to a 400V one. The car can be lighter, then more economic.
So far, the 800 V cars like Ioniq 5, Kia EV6 and Taycan have been far from economic (efficient).
@@bjornnyland yes, but that's just One factor. If Tesla puts its cars at 800V, they would be a litle more economic. I don't know if would worth it or not. But from the point of cost of manufature, it shure would.
Nice comparison! 👍
But how many minutes did it take the 2 Koreans from 10 to 90%❓ I couldn't figure it out with all the numbers on the screen. 🤪
Bjorn! I love the video (as I always do) and I have a thought: I wonder if having the model 3 max charge set to 90% influences the shape of the charging curve. There might be a slightly different result if the max is set to 100%. It would also be handy to know (or even better, control for) ambient temperature - my apologies if you mention this in the video and I missed it!
A little unfair to compare the time to 90% because there is more power in a larger battery. Should compare how long it takes to charge the same number of kw.
HAHAHAHAHA This was so funny Bjørn :D Sportscommitating a charging session :D I laughed so much :D
So til 90% a big win for the Tesla considering the range that you will get!
I love these❤❤
As you say I'm sure Kia and Hyundai will be developing the BMS all the time as well as the thermal heating and cooling and they will surely get better and better over the coming months :)
Lucky me! I have an e tron😎🤘. You rock Bjørn! Satan steike, du e et geni! You’re the best ev expert in the world! Digge dæ!
Had to check the playback speed... but yeah. It was just set to normal.
They called him MCBjörn back in the day you know 😅
Very interesting. From what I see, Tesla wins. Looking at WLTP, when model 3 hits 28% it gains 100km and Ioniq 5 needs 32% for the 100km. Also at the end, when E-Tron fat reachest 100% it only has 380km range, but tesla at 90% has 504km range and Ioniq5/EV6 can't even reach that with 100%. So yea, I think model 3 wins here. I have a Ioniq 5, sad to see 🙃.
wltp 614km tesla model 3 long range 2021, so only need 16,5-17% battery for 100km not 28%. I my tesla model 3 performance 2019 ( old model ) , real life use I drive 100km pr. 25%. newer models will only use 20%
@@nickolassnielsen I was counting from 10%, because they start from 10 to charge.
After working with lithium batteries for years it strikes me that no one ever talks about this dirty secret: you can pretty much charge a lithium ion battery as fast as you want but there will be battery life ramifications down the road (sorry about the pun). Simply comparing charging speed doesn't tell you the most important information. How will the capacity of the battery be in 5 or 10 years? Temperature control is very important and buffer size is also a factor but there are also nuances that many of the newcomers to the EV world are missing, or just don't care about. How are we to trust a company that keeps foisting lies such as Dieselgate on us and how are we to trust the big 3 after be lied to for so many decades? It's not easy for us to test for these long term effects but do we really trust the companies that were built on the mantra of planned obsolescence to look out for their customers?
Most EVs charge at low speed 99% of the time, and only to 80% as the manufacturers usually recommend - in order to, guess what, preserve the battery longevity. Charge to 100% and/or with high speed happens only occasionally.
@@larap7524 True for most people but not all.
That's something to consider when buying an used EV.
Agree. That's exactly why I bought Tesla. They balance charging speed with battery longevity and never go to extremes like Koreans do.
@@larap7524 Or a new one if you want to keep it for a while. Also this affects resale value. Just look at the abysmal Nissan Leaf valuations due to their poor battery life.
Reading these comments is like watching a football game or discussing politics. Everyone has an axe to grind and is looking for confirmation of their bias. Not that I'm immune to the same way of thinking but it would be nice to at least try to use some minimal logic.
Great videos
I will take the Tesla even after this
@@abraxastulammo9940 yeah but the EQS starts from 97.000€ :-)
@@KekszNET in the Netherlands the starting price of the EQS is €118891,- 🤭
@@abraxastulammo9940 Worse for the moment but wait for an update.
Comparing percentage gained between 70-something kWh Korean cars and 80-something kWh Germans isn’t exactly apples-to-apples. Also efficiency difference means miles added per minute is vastly different, especially with “fat eTron” being so inefficient… so miles per minute, the Tesla or the eTron GT should be the clear winner?
Fat German Bratwurstwagen is not so bad. Makes his job good.
E-tron for the win again! And it's also the most efficient car of all these, with most comfort per km. 😉😅
Nah, modelo 3 clearly won it.
Tesla is efficient and iin addition the Tesla 3 is much smaller than all the others in this test. But if you read again you might understand that I used an alternative efficiency parameter, of comfort per km. In other words, I was kidding. :)
@@larap7524 100% totally correct :) No other car cruises like the e-tron...
I had to look if i had playback speed set to 1,25x :D
Fantastic race, thank you buddy. I would have had a wager on that thoroughbred race. :) Well done to the Koreans! Fab value for money. What on Earth happened to Tesla….
Tesla is slower in % soc but faster in kms (miles). Because those %% are not equal in terms of range.
this is good fun, man!
Great charging result of the EV6!
not gonna lie, I checked my playback speed just to be sure
I watch a lot of videos about EVs on RUclips and follow a few testers as well. Most videos are very interesting but for me only Björn’s videos actually matters! You deserve at least a 0 (but hopefully many more) at the end of the current subscriber count👍😁. Best EV tester om the world!
Etron 55 is alway the winner, because he puts more Kwh in the batterie in the same time. Or i am wrong? And he is an old man, no 800V.
Mfg Dirk
Model 3 is the winner
Always BBB, Banana Box Background
Nice horse run 🤣🤣
That was spectacular! haha
This data would be better to understand in a graph
Off you go then 👍
Fat e-tron rules when it comes to charging :-)
Ok. Tesla needs the 4680 cells to keep up 😏
Charging like a BAAS
The visual presentation is a mess. IMO. Otherwise and interesting video.
E-Tron SUV is the most versatile and practical, definitely. Always predictable charging speeds and stops.
Korean siesta??😂😂
Korean siesta 😂😂😂
LOL!!!
EV6 has a usable capacity of 77.4 kWh, not 73!
Didn't you hear Bjorn say he actually measured it instead of just reading it from a spec chart??
@@davidsommen1324 Well, then he must return the car for a warranty claim. 6.5% loss of capacity in less than a month is not possible.
Maby Hyundai/Kia are cheating about usable capacity.
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Sorry Bjorn, I couldn’t watch this one ….