Kia EV6 1000 km challenge
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“This car charges too fast - you don’t have time for double hotdog” !
Talk about first world-problems 😃
Hahaha
“I had to go to rest room for type 2”🤣. Can’t look at my charge cable like before anymore.
"I need a Type 2 discharge" cracked me up in another of his videos 😂
I love how you tie the disappointment of only being able to have one hot dog, to the charging speed. 😆 love the funky music too.
❤ your work.
I really enjoy your testing. No promotion, just simple honest tests and opinions. After 20 months waiting, we finally got our EV6 GT-Line AWD. Just had it for week so far.
We have now taken our October build 2023/MY24 EV6 AWD GT-Line for a drive to the next larger coastal town. It was charged to 100% using a AC 7KW charger. The car gave us a range of 440km before leaving and the distance per leg was about 150km at 110km/hr on the Highway. Temperature outside was 25C-27C Celsius with internal temperature set to 23C and nothing above 50m sea level. The car started at about 25KW/100km usage but kept dropping usage calculation while driving (must be a default starting position). By the time we had done the entire trip it averaged about 19KW/100km. At about 70+% total trip distance, we still had 58% charge left in the battery but pulled in at a fast charger, just to learn how to use them. We had the DC charging set to 80% and it took less then 10 minutes to re-charge to 80%. Top charge rate was 233.46KW and it settled to around 130KW before finishing. So now we know that the car can do that full round trip including driving a bit around town more then comfortable and that we get a rock bottom range of 350+km range, no matter the condition.
I did a fair bit of research before the purchase and the car has more then lived up to realistic expectations.
5~10 minute variation is what we call 'within test to test variation' for 600 minute testing. (1~2% variation is very good)
It's practically the same.
Great test, as always.
Having to drive 5-10 km to reach a fast charger is such a Norway-problem 😄
Funny thing at 5:29, you get out of the car and the car makes the sound of "key not in car". We own a Kia that makes this sound so my chihuahua was thinking my wife was back from work and rushed to the door anxiously... Poor little fellow...
😂😅
You should add to the table a column for butt hurt amount and ride quality for 1000km drives, would be a massive component in purchasing one of the cars in the list ;)
Butthurt level vs time...
Seating is very subjective tho
@@SAGITTARlUS true, but after 10+ hours of driving I think you would get less initial bias from first impressions compared to how your butt actually feels after driving that long.
@@MDaveUK thats a good point bro.
I have heard him say that the seats in the ev6 are quite good. A bit firmer than a tesla, but still not so firm he got butt hurt from it. However you would still have to test it for yourself. I find seating to be very similair to driving the car itself; some people say its a perfect car, but when you get behind the wheel you cant find the right seating position and the steering feels unresponsive. He could give a decent description of how the seat feels to him, but since were all so different it might not apply to you. 10 hours of comfort for him could be 4 hours of comfort to you, followed by 6 hours of a butt that hurts, and an aching back. I think thats why he focuses so much on stats rather than the feel of the car.
@@MDaveUK While I immediately notice the support level and amount of bolstering a car seat has, I couldn't tell you of all the cars I've driven in my life which car has the most comfortable seats. Hell, I've never in my life complained about the comfort level of a seat. It didn't matter for cross country road trips or when I had a daily commute of 150 miles.
will be great to see this retested at 20C
Amazing how you drove so many km’s in those 3 days. Just awesome.
Epic Bjørn : « This car is unstoppable »
Now he needs Ultra-fast restaurant and wash rooms plus more bananas. « What the heck! »
Thank you Bjørn for this great test!
What a beast! Not to sound mean but so awesome that Bjorn doesn't even have time to eat properly because the charge is so fast!
Great test. Obviously the outside temp and/or rain has a big impact efficiency. It would be interesting to see this test of the EV6 during 18-22C weather to see the difference.
Signed up for an EV6 today, hope we will be satisfied🙏
And are you?
@@ismailweber1899 wish i could answer you, haven't got it yet. Should arrived in March, still not produced. My patience is over, wish i orderd something else, but feels stupid not to wait it out now
@@jacobandersson3356 I see ok. But Times gonna fly mate! Im based in switzerland and getting mine in december. Feel free to contact me then if you wanna know anything
Great video. Insights into charging behaviour are really useful for owners. Just passed 1000km in my EV6 AWD, very pleased with efficiency at 16.7kWh/100km. Terrific car overall, though HVAC needs improvement, with inconsistent cabin temperature.
Your overall efficiency seems pretty good. What sort of mix of roads has that first 1000km been on ? Are you on 19 or 20 wheels ?
@@cngraham7932 about 40/40/20 motorway/2 lane highway/urban so far. On 19" wheels, which also give a better ride.
I am potentially interested in the GTL-S AWD which comes with 20 inch rims as standard. I'd much rather 19s were standard as they are plenty big enough, cheaper, better ride and efficiency etc. I think Bjorn's test car has 19s.
You look fresh after less than 3h sleep :)
@@rogerstarkey5390 haha
Hope you do the RWD version to show the comparison. Another great vid.
07:15 you call that trafic ?! Come to the ring of Brussels and you’ll see what trafic is ! That was pretty smooth…😉
Hold my beer and come to Bangkok. I will show you what traffic is.
We need to tie in weather and construction info into the map systems. But yes ‘range anxiety’ will be an issue for many. At least until the EV charging network is sufficiently built out.
Kia looks pretty good.
PS - techno music only please. 😀
Tack för denna👍🌹
You gotta feed yourself when you're feeding the car 😂, don't want you running out of energy before the car. As always Bjorn, enjoyable to watch. Now that you have so many hours night driving the EV6 how would you compare the headlights.
Unfortunately, the high consumption brings some disillusionment. So the high charging power is more of a compensation than an advantage.
That was my first thought too.. Eventually when ICE cars are falling and fuel taxes have to be taken somehow, consumption may be an issue. Even not considering the cost effect, being so much more inefficient than Y makes me really think twice what car to chose.
What do you think about Aptera - getting twice the range on the same battery size? Ie: 600 miles on a 60kwh battery?
yeah hyundai (lg) dont have technology(motor effciency) so they made up with effcient fast charging
Good job Börn. 👍
amazing time for for this low temperature of 6C
Bjørn, you made a good job! Can you tell me in a short way what you have done to get this good charging performance in winter?
@Bjørn Nyland your videos are excellent for seeing how an EV can be used for longer US road trips. Did you have "Winter Mode" enabled? Kia/Hyundai describe Winter Mode as "This mode is recommended to improve driving and DC charging performances during winter by raising the battery temperature to an adequate level. However, the driving distance may be reduced as the energy is required to increase battery temperature. Also, if the battery temperature is low during driving or when scheduled air conditioner/heater is activated, this mode is operated to improve driving performance. However, the mode is not operated to ensure driving distance when the battery level is low." It is enabled in the EV Settings menu.
The new king. Were it in summer, it would likely hold the record. Until Merceez-Benz EQS comes.
Brilliant video! You applied what you learned from previous test analysis of the charging curve, this is next level car reviewing. Great work Bjørn. And a great EV car, you showed how to bring out the best in it.
You said once that you thought of becoming a teacher. You would have been just as good a teacher as you are a car reviewer: premium!
25:45 - It means that you are very good, Bjørn :) .
I really like your videos Bjorn. One thing though: could you say which variant you're using at the start of the video, or put it in the description? That would be really helpful, thanks ;)
Hi Bjorn! I think there is a mistake in the table that you show at the end of the video. In the Model 3 SR+ MIC, the average tempetature says 17 °C when the range of tempetatures has been 4 - 10 °C IIRC.
Nonetheless, Thank you for your hard work!! Great video!! :-)
Woah! That's the fastest winter time of them all! I keep my bet - in a summer test, with no traffic, the EV6 will be the fastest car of them all. Much more range, no coldgating, there's definitely a half hour to shed here.
9:24 on german Autobahn 3 Weeks ago.
@@bernhardleopold6702 Look at the difference in temperatures. EV6 was almost as fast, despite being 14 degrees colder. And it seems the heatpump is not great in the EV6 - just before the freeze, a Polish redaction did a highway range test. They got 360 km where Bjorn only achieved 275. The only difference being the temperatures (and an RWD car, but the front engine is electromagnetic, so shouldn't be any different). A lot of people got to test the car in September/October - none of them reported rapidgating, it was always consistent 240 kW from the start. There's definitely enough room for the EV6 to take the win (unless the EQS swoops in for the kill, but it's a bit of a different class).
Model Y is superior in terms of efficiency, no doubt. But it might not be enough to survive the Korean attack.
@@wojciechmuras553 From what I've seen RWD and AWD have very different efficiency. I've read that the front drivetrain somehow is physically disconnecting when front motor is not needed (except the Sport mode), but I guess the rotating mass makes the efficiency way worse than RWD anyway.
@@michalfr It all depends on the car and the type of motor used on the front axle. Some implementations, such as early AWD Model S', were so good that it actually IMPROVED the efficiency. Don't expect that with the EV6, but on paper it seems to be pretty good.
@@wojciechmuras553 Mercedes Benz EQS did beat the EV6, I believe. And it's wasn't the most efficient EQS by far, being the sporty model with fat tires and currently the lowest-range EQS.
Can't wait to see what the RWD version does then Bjorn?
eco mode turns off front motor pratically same as rwd before you floor it.
@@fornobu Yes, however, the extra motor still adds weight, and the GT-line rides on 20"s.
@@inflicts8217 These bigger wheels are ridiculous 🤨
If battery is getting warm in november, how will it be in 35 degrees on autobahn in Germany in the summer?
Very disappointed with the range of just over 250 km per charge on the highway. Expected to be at least 100 km more! Heading to any "long range" drive in the area with still underdeveloped charging infrastructure renders this car inadequate. 😩
Be patient for infrastructure to be built and save money in the future on a car.
I enjoyed watching all the videos thank you. so for you what’s the best all around electric car? not counting tesla
Ioniq 6
His music while he’s driving is very reminiscent of Cannonball by Supertramp. Great music to drive by.
You made me buy the Kia e-Niro a few years ago (78000 km now in 2,5 years) and now you made me decide to buy the Kia EV6 AWD. But I have to wait until my e-Niro is 5 years old. Should I buy the GT with 585 HP ? Not until you tested it.
Very nice charging speed! I like this car a lot. Although I think the consumption is too high and/or battery size is a little too small. I live in northern Sweden and our charging network is still kinda of lagging behind so unfortunately this car doesn't have the range I (and many others) need for towing boxy trailers in winter. Ideal winter range while towing would be around 200-250 km. That should equal around 500 km real world range. These cars seems to be around 280 km real world range at 100 km/h assuming 5 % battery degradation. Probably a bit over 300 km at 90 km/h.
Too high? Are your serious?
”Type 2 break”, haha! 😁
Everyone gangsta until they see a cop lol
Great car , level of Tesla and Audi
What phone app do you use to get all those power stats etc? And how does it interface with the car?
Buenas noches, gracias por tus vídeos, ¿cuando harás la prueba de verano del ev6 GT Line?
I think there is a mistake in the table, regarding the SR+ MIC: Temperature 4-11° and T average 17°. Did I miss something?
Geez! Never heard of that much distance.
Nice 👍 i would love to know how to preheat (battery) the Kia e-Niro the proper way. Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks
1000km challange in imiev would awsome!
Hi. its my first time to your channel. I am looking at buying this car. What is the app you are using for the battery analysis? Also, are you saying that to get the best charging speed, you just don't use the climate control ? so, you should just use the seat heaters to keep warm when charging? thanks for the detailed video! 👍
That 15°C temperature spread in the battery seems huge. BMW tends to keep cells within one degree.
You need to keep in mind sensor locations have a massive effect on the recorded temperature spread. Sensors may simply not be placed at locations that show the most extreme temperatures. In heavy use for a battery with a coolant loop you'll get the lowest temperature near the coolant channels and the highest temperature furthest from the coolant channels, and heat travels through the battery cells kind of slowly. Well anyway, what I'm saying is this information is completely insufficient to actually tell who cools their battery best.
Car Scanner shows 16 temperature sensors in EV6/Ioniq 5 battery and delta is only 2-3°C indeed, no big differences even at CCS. Battery Max temperature sensor probably shows some other point in the battery pack which is important for the cooling/heating strategy.
Id3 82 version seems the prudent choice.
Beware the night bananas!
I think in the future all charging stations should be made where cars can just pull in between them like a normal gas station, that way if you are towing a trailer you don't have to do some crazy stuff.
IONITy chargers, is the only chargers i ever have handshake issues with. The cables er so damn heavy,. I lift them up everytime the car is doing thw handshake. Sometimes is stops charging when i remove my hands on the cable. My record is 7 bad handshakes in a row
How about making out of these 1000 km tests with one or two other drivers and EV6 against Model Y oder Enyaq a race each one starting 5 mins after the other with same conditions? This would be much more interesting I think as to compare cars driven at different times of the year under different weather conditions and so on...
Hello Björn! Would higher resolution in temperature/kwCharge make charging faster? Is the 5degree steps some kind of hysteresis to protect battery? Seems the perfect/optimal charge curve could at least be integer steps.... Theni dont know how cooling is set up to respond..
Is the modern high electricity price influencing the costs?
Is there no heat scavenging system for the cabin or the battery?
Is there any system that subtract heat from the battery or the motors to put in the cabin or battery and viceversa?
I have an EV6; nice one but I have some issues with HVAC and preheat. Does preheating work for you? And do you also have a very fluctuating inside temperature? Possibly some tweaking with settings which you did?
He has an analysis video on exactly this issue and at the end gives a tip to mitigate the problem. Between the two videos you can get a good understanding.
ruclips.net/video/YoWETRlSCoc/видео.html
What app are you using to monitor temps and charge?
Bit difficult to justify buying one of these in New Zealand because as yet we have very few fast chargers over 50kW. Except for the Superchargers, so Tesla is king for the time being.
Same here in north of scotland
We're about evenly matched across most of the united states. Tesla is more reliable and non-tesla (CCS1) has a few holes in it, but they're both growing fast.
How long do you think it will be until New Zealand is good for non-teslas?
Way better battery build and all over build quality when you buy a Korean.
How u get thr care ratings stats and temp etc? Is there an app?
Can you do separate Infotainment reviews on your cars? I would want to see one for the EV6
Excellent. I've got the Ioniq 5 now, and chose it mostly for the interior space and more open design. But I do wish they'd made it more efficient (aerodynamics) and included a bigger battery like Kia.
Still happy so far, and looking forward to my first long trip in December. Will ride Ionity all the way from Holland to Switzerland, and see how it does... I think the charging breaks will be too short for me an my son to both go to the loo...
The dog we had in the IONIQ5 needed way longer walking breaks than the vehicle did :> Enjoy the winter trip.
You bought the wrong type of vehicle.... Should of waited for the Ioniq 6 which will contend with the Model 3. Space or very good efficiency, you cant really have both in my opinion.
Chart needs a column for number of hotdogs you can consume while charging ;)
24:00 the T avg for the Tesla M3 SR+ MIC is wrong.
I look forward to seeing a 9h20m when you get a Lucid Air
All that extra money for very little.
Björn, you are not in eco mode but in normale mode all the time. Does it matter for range?
Isn’t the range 520km on the EV6? Or do you have other battery spec in Norway than in Sweden? 🙂
Did you will test Model Y in winter for the 1000 km challenge?
for how long is it in 230kw range, ie how long before temp spaz
What is the software and OBD2 port device you use? Car Scanner?
Looking at the differenc in range between the RWD and AWD EV6. Is there that much of a difference? Or does cutting front motor makes up for it? (Nice thing about AWD living in the rockis is the AWD, and the extra power (about 95-100 extra hp?) Wonder if the loss of the HP would be worth it.
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Yes, correct. I'm 200 % because I'm half German, half Norwegian, half Thai and half Chinese :D
@@bjornnyland perfect
@@bjornnyland Hi Bjorn what obd app are u using???
@@smartines It's CarScanner via an OBDlink LX adapter for an android phone (if you want to use an iphone then use the OBDlink MX+). He has a video on how to set it all up.
ruclips.net/video/NzJo9MGBLRQ/видео.html
17:06 on your right side, there is another company going electric. DB Schenker!
You mention the vast number of variables at play over a 1000 km trip, so here's another one for when you compare a vehicle to itself or another similar (Kia vs Hyundai, for example): the software build and date. The Ioniq you tested in Spring and then again in Summer, did it have the same software build on each test? And the EV6 to Ioniq 5, did it have a software build date newer than the vehicle you're comparing it to, the Ioniq 5 from July and April? Not sure if these elements can be a factor, but I do know you've been suggesting that software fixes can help to solve some problems you've described. Perhaps there've been updates to correct?
What is the most efficient. Dog mode or camp mode
So how much time did you spend for charging in total?
The interface is miles ahead of Audi.
If that was the GT Line S the ICE is from Meridian a UK top end HiFi company.
What is the app you used to display charging rate on your phone?
Why are not the charging cables long enough so you can reach each side of the car?
My theory is that the heat pump can either only transfer heat from the battery into the cabin or outside, but not both. Since the temperature in the cabin is kept at a constant 21(?) the amount of heat it can draw out of the battery is limited. So if you for example opened the windows slightly and turned the heater to maximum it would actually cool the battery
Thats the ancient way of cooling fossils that overheat, but worth a try. :)))
Yeah, I'm sure this is where Tesla's much lauded octovalve comes into play. A single heat pump will only heat (or cool) one thing, but you can proportion traditional coolant around in all sorts of loops with a clever enough valve arrangement.
So, KIA BMS might be based on human intervention:
1. To prevent battery overheating increse temp inside
2. To prevent coldgating stop hvac
Seems to me like poor implementstion of the heat pump. I wish someone tested version without heat pump.
@@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy I mean in normal use this isn't really an issue, we're talking 5 minutes under the worst conditions. Not really something anyone should be basing their decision off, more important things like reliability, comfort and space. This only is really an issue in very cold places during long journeys anyway and like I said, 5 minutes
@@antimatter4733 Well, yes - and maybe in hot places where battery overheating might be an issue.
Generally speaking anything other than European April/May and September/October 😉
As I live in country with relatively poor infrastructure when it comes to chargers, especially fast chargers > 150 kWh, Kia's fast charging does not make up for lowish efficiency at highway speeds .
At the same time rapidgating hardly applies here. ;)
Has Bjorn given an opinion of which he prefers, EV6 or Ioniq 5?
I come here to hear "Yo what's up"
Is there an APP like you are using for Tesla on iPhone? P.S. You are one funny guy (-:
9:40 and I wonder why it’s so hard to copy Superbottle, Octovalve and Manifold…
From watching TB's videos, I've become very interested in the Korean EVs. It seems that the current gap is the BMS. TB has to actively manage the battery temperature. If the car did a better job of this, the car would be a monster road tripper. Does anyone know what the Hyundai/Kia BMS road trip looks like?
tell please , whats the music on 16:57
I would not deduct time for the charging handshake problems. It is a car/charger problem we is going to meet irl. with this particular car. This is one of the advantages for a Tesla. They is quick to start charging, but might be limited to maximum charging speed at the charger (150KW).
But I also deduct time when I test Tesla and I get handshake problems or I get lower power from a stall (and after I change stall I get max power). Should I also stop deducting time at Tesla tests?
Seems to be the lack of Octovalve
In the test EV6 I have driven I found that I had to keep turning/moving the wheel (with my hands constantly on it) more than I wanted when the car was on “autopilot”. Can the sensitivity be adjusted? In our Opel the sensitivity is perfect when I have my hands on the wheel and it registers my small movements just fine. We are getting one next week.
Same with the EV6 i tested. I asked the sales person about it and he said it could be turned off, and nothing about adjusting it. So i just assume it's not possible to adjust as is. But they had asked Kia about the issue, because there were more people pointing it out, but no answer yet. Was very annoying when driving.
Same experience here in the EV6 I tested. Not really something I would want to use. Also agree on Bjørns observation about the car being a bit firm.
Hyundai should at least simply show battery min- max + 2 coolants/ battery heater temperature values on the charging screen
Overheating battery during charging....what could go wrong.
I live on the left side where the lights are at 4:32 :)
I’ve been looking a lot of your review videos and found them really helpful! We are a Dutch / Austrian family who make a lot of long trips and traveled several times through mid norway.
I have ev6 awd in order with a lot of delay and I started looking at other options and drove the ix3 which was a lot of fun.
While the ev6 has the highest specs I’m starting to doubt if this should be the main focus or that I should include driving experience and interior a bit more. In every review I hear or read, I notice that the specs are not making that much difference compared to the competition and driving and interior are somewhat disappointing.
I’m currently driving an Audi A4 and love the German brands. And I really dislike Tesla quality.
The doubt is about the ix3, i4 or a second hand etron 55. What would you recommend? Just wait or switch German and take range and charging a little bit less serious.
A short answer would be sufficient and great, thank you.
Keep making your videos.
As you recalculated the time and deducted the extra time for the detour you would have had to deduct also the extra km driven on that detour and only count the range the closed highway had. (Since that was the time you also calculated with.) So shouldn´t it have been a few more km and minutes before the "real" 1000km?
We already did that in the calculation.
Will you test the GT as well? I'm really curious on the real world range!
Once it's available, yes.