Touch screen ‘buttons’ need to be banned from consumer design schools world wide. There should be a cane in every classroom specifically designated to punish offenders.
Naaaaah... just wait people crashed or getting killed at traffic incidents because of those stupid things, just wait... it's worth waiting and... worth the lives 😈
I dont even understand how these pass safety trials. They rag about people using mobile phones in cars, but dicking around with the touchscreen attached to your car is fine. Just so companies can cut corners on tooling for physical buttons.
as said its a cost thing, but also conversely a 'premium' thing for late millennials onwards as long as the screens dont lag (and few Korean cars do) and those morons are too busy staring at the screen to care about whether its actually effective in a CAR For that reason expect the oncoming deluge of Chinese electrics to take from the Korean template, not the "I have more than two braincells to rub together" Japanese one
Boomers - screen type buttons are much better. They can be reconfigured and redesigned after the delivery has taken place. On top of that voice actuation is a thing if you are too scared to quickly glance at the screen while you are driving
I own a Kia EV6 GT. It's my first electric car. I have owned many "affordable" performance cars in the past. I think Mark hits many important points here. It's fast, but not very communicative. It's quiet and smooth, but not enough to be a luxury car. It's all those things. I had an RS3 Audi that I loved, but it was at the dealership with issues more than I would have liked. I had a Lexus ES300H that I loved because it was extremely quiet and smooth but was very limited in performance. The EV6 GT bridges that gap for me perfectly. I've taken several day trips with it and on the highway it returns better than expected range. (I've gotten 250 miles out of a charge) Once you step on it, that range tanks fast. To have the automotive experience that Jack and Mark have, would make me very critical of most cars. I haven't driven a 10th of what they've driven. Being ignorant of what's out there makes a lot of these cars better to the average joe. Still, I value their opinions but with some reservation. The best car I have ever driven is probably middle tier for them. My starting and ending points for what's good are much closer together.
I’ve driven one. Chirping all 4 tyres off the line is definitely entertaining. My driving history is mid too. WRX, then Audi S3, then Passat R36 (most disappointing car), then Mercedes A45 first gen (favourite car), then Audi S4 which was very reliable and good fun, and now a Mercedes GLA45S which would be hard to give up.
Did you pay over MSRP? I owned KIA Stinger and looking for EV as 2nd car. I was looking forward EVGT however for 60k with 15-20k over MSRP did not make any sense!? For same price Model X but End up Model Y performance 52k and tax credit $7500.
I have the EV6 GT, and my other car is a heavily modified GR86 in pursuit of as much feedback/sharp handling as I can manage because that is what I value most. In general EVs have the worst driver feedback imaginable. The tires in particular seem to be a huge part of the problem, as EV tires are designed for high weight load and low rolling resistance - things that numb them in terms of delivering information about what they are doing. But I don't think that this video was entirely fair in the analysis here - the feedback on this vehicle was one of the primary reasons we chose the EV6 GT in particular, as it was the only EV in our price range that felt like you were driving an actual vehicle and not a toaster. At the end of the day these are just station wagons for hauling the kid's soccer gear and driven by the wife with the instructions "don't press the green button" - no one is seriously considering these for a drift session, track day, or canyon carving. They should be judged against their actual competition - not dedicated performance vehicles with nearly five times the price tag like this video did. There is value in being a jack of all trades, master of none. I feel like they were judging the EV6 GT here not on its merits, but rather as an entirely different kind of vehicle they are hoping will soon exist. In their defense Kia has been all over the map with what they want to try and market this vehicle as, so if you are going by Kia's "it's a supercar" line then I both have a bridge to sell you, and their criticisms make more sense. Overall I'd agree with you that this review feels like it is valuable information, but out of touch with a more normal person's experiences and needs.
Summary: “really really hoping this car isn’t a set up for [N] because it’s on the same fundamental foundation, on the same architecture, and if it’s going to feel like that it’s going to be a pile shit.” Mark just lays it on at 8:50
I have an EV6 GT. It is my first EV, but far from my first performance car. Yeah it's heavy, yeah the steering is overboosted. He raises valid points about the chassis not communicating much- which makes sense, it's full of heavy batteries that will dampen the subtle inputs we learn to expect from well sorted cars. That being said, I don't think it's as bad as Mark says. It's still an absolute riot to drive. I've never not realized I was burning tire. Adding oversteer with your foot will never not be fun. The 0-60 is a fun trick to scare unsuspecting passengers, the flat torque curve makes it predictable and easy to push. On a whole it's an exercise in compromise- a large, comfortable commuter car that can carry a family, be comfortable on the highway, tear up a mountain road, do giant smoky drifts, and sell for $55-$60k is always going to be, be it gas or electric. You aren't going to get all of everything no matter how you slice it- you always lose something. I came directly off of a Fiesta ST into the EV6. It had a better chassis and suspension that the Kia, without question. It was also tiny, rough, loud, uncomfortable for any sort of distance, and cost twice as much to run. One point that always grinds my gears is the discussion about EV range when you drive like a clown. But like... gas cars are like that too. The ST did 12 MPG at track days. My friend's C6 does 4. It comes with the territory. The real complaint is that there should be more chargers around, and especially at tracks, and I agree with that completely. Overall my point is that while this is clearly a negative review that touches on valid points, you could do a lot worse if your wants and needs line up with what it offers. I wanted a comfortable, efficient commuter car with a split personality as a crazy muscle/sports car, and I got exactly what I wanted. It won't be right for everyone, and it's not supposed to be.
Agreed 100%. My EV6 is every bit as fun as my last ICE daily/track car. Only thing missing was the noise, which honestly was hugely made up for with the insane amount of power. I have noticed though, and my only beef with SG, is that Mark especially seems overly harsh with EVs, except in maybe that recent Lucid long video. Jack seems to be much more in tune with the realities and compromises of EVs instead of just bashing them just because they're EVs. Mark isn't necessarily wrong in his statements but definitely being overly negative and simplistic and assuming the worse case scenarios are the most frequent scenarios.
As a Fiesta ST owner actively shopping for an EV or PHEV that’s big enough for two child seats, this resonates. I am really going to miss the everyday, all-speeds fun and playfulness of the Fiesta. Your 12mpg on track comment made me think “drive harder!,” but I checked my own records and … 11-12mpg on track in my Fiesta also. Glad the EV6 is working out for you. It’s on my list but I am trying to hold out for an Ioniq 5N.
Agree 100% EV6 GT for the daily drive, Porsche 997 relegated to Sunday mornings, NSX for special occasions and a BAC Mono for track days. The KIA can absolutely hold its head high amongst those cars in my experience, it’s a brilliant thing.
who reviews a performance/grand-touring version of a crossover as if it should be a sports car? come on guys...quit doing this. It's. A. Grand. Touring. Crossover. You do actually *know* what GT means, right? It's meant to be super quiet and comfortable on long distance drives, but be capable of the performance if you need or want it. It isn't a sports coupe. Yes the marketing would have you believe its a fun track monster (which it probably is in some ways). But review the car, not the marketing. You guys are always making this mistake and its the reason I haven't subscribed and don't watch your videos often. Contrast that with Kyle from out-of-spec who got this same car, did a very fun, informal review on it, had a blast, and just basically reviewed it as exactly what it is. Oh, and he also used it how it was supposed to be used...blasting down the Autobahn at high speeds. That's what a grand touring car is for. grand. touring. The EV6 GT is an awesome grand touring crossover, but a casual viewer of your video would never know it. If the Porsche 718 EV comes out and has poor feedback, for sure, you should lay into it. But this? And then your lecture about how current EVs suck and you shouldn't buy one yet, snuck in at the end of a review video but having nothing specifically to do with Kia or the EV6. Saying that a Tesla is only good for point A-B driving and that is their "niche"? You have to be really ignorant to not know that there are tens of thousands of people tracking Teslas all over the world and having a great time. Once again, another reason not to subscribe, and precisely why Kyle gets far more views and subscriptions. He knows just as much or more about the cars than you do.
POV: You just bought a Toyota Supra A91, and decided to pick the automatic since it has the quicker acceleration times. You pull up to a traffic light feeling all smug cause you have a pretty quick car. All of a sudden you hear a plastic booming sound, and a Kia EV6 GT with a baby on board sticker pulls up playing Lil Baby on full blast. When the light turns green you hear a quick screeching of tires and the Kia is gone...
Here in Southern CA, most EV6s are not GTs, so the vast majority of EVs will be left in the dust against a Supra B58 and even fewer EVs will out-accelerate a C8 Corvette. A 2017 NSX hybrid is on par with a C8 as far as acceleration. But I agree with Mark that for point a to b commuting to work, the EV6 GT and some higher end model 3 Teslas represent bragging rights for the fastest bang for the buck in a straight line. Make no mistake though, on a tight, curvy road, a Mazda MX5 Miata will leave all those very heavy EVs in the dust for half the cost.
I can't wait until we see the next generations of all of these cars. I'm sure it is going to feel a lot like how the cellphone did, we all have old phones in drawers lol
No kidding, not only that, you will be able to buy cars with similar capabilities as this for their REAL price of 20-30 grand not 45-65 grand which is in fact a rip off.
Lol we absolutely have a phone graveyard. Why are we keeping them? I have no idea but it's neat to take out the blackberry or slide phone with full qwerty keyboard and tell my daughter, "this is what phones USED to look like"
#1. GM, #2. Toyota, #3. Ford, #4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏, #5. Stellantis, #6. Honda USA sales rankings Doesn't matter what he, scotty, or others say. Hyundai-Kia is on its way to becoming #1 😂😂😂
@MK3504 Yeah, like Toyota's unintended acceleration catastrophe, where Toyota CEO had to go to Washington to apologize for their deadly junk. Hyundai-Kia CEO never had to go to Washington.
I currently own an EV. I agree with Mark that these things make great daily drivers, grocery getters, and work taxis. I don’t think sporty driving feel is going to be a thing for a while for EVs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though- more people are now opting for manual transmissions. This means that enthusiast cars aren’t going to disappear as the EV revolution ramps up. What it does mean is that you’ll now have to own both a work taxi, and an enthusiast car. The good thing is- your EV work taxi will save you money, need less maintenance, and you’ll be able to focus your enthusiast car on what you want to do with it instead of compromising it by driving it every day. EVs will get more affordable, and have longer ranges. Even my slow little Bolt is a freaking rocket in traffic making it very easy to avoid the speeding Tahoe sporting 26” wheels, or that pristine F150 4WD with 44” tires!
The problem to many is not that EVs can be added to well-off families with 3 -car garages. Rather, it's that mandates were created that all other powertrains, including excellent hybrids must be eliminated from our choices. Those who live in apartments or rented houses in cold climates will likely not have the best solution for their transportation needs if choices are eliminated.
I always appreciate the straight-forward honesty with their reviews. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the Ioniq 5 N review. Every time I search google for news on it and see the same articles from June/July I get sad. So excited that new content and information will be coming out very soon!
The 5 N is my most eagerly anticipated car. There are lots of Korean language videos out. I don't know what they're saying but they seem to be having a good time. And Top Gear has added it to their Speed Week videos and it's the last car mentioned in their recent teaser video. Should be good.
I hate EVs so much but I have an Elantra N right now and feel like i might have to get a 5 N because of what it can do transmission wise and have pops and bangs from exterior speakers
Have one for 10months. Don't disagree with your observations, but I will add that for the money it's still the most involving (performance) EV on the market. Note: I'm not too bothered by the range, and here in Denmark it cost less than an I30N due to taxation. Thanks for the review
Strong disagree, i4 40 E Drive is RWD platform and much more engaging, and cheaper at 60k, it also gets vastly more range, and the 0-60 numbers they advertise are 0.9s faster than advertised with rollout (0.6s faster without rollout). So 4.8s and 5.1s respectively. However, if all you care about is going fast, then you should just get a M3P, and they have a superior charging network, range and software. Also when I got it, it was 5k cheaper too after all the performance options (breaks, msport suspension, luxury package), so about 5k in options. I traded in my Taycan 4S for one, its essentially 75% of the performance (a bit worse steering and driver position) for less than half the money... hard to justify. Vehicles I test drove: Mini Cooper SE, BMW i4 M50 and i4 40 edrive, EV6 GT, Taycan Taycan 4S, M3P (twice), Model S (suffered from being too wide like the Taycan IMO). So not a ton of EVs, but most the 'sporty' ones.
I own a GT (my 3rd EV after 2x Bolts, 1st gen and facelift) and took it to the track and it was an absolute beast. A VW GTI was my last ICE car and this thing feels nearly every bit as nimble (though much heavier, but it hides its weight well). I strongly disagree with mark on how numb this feels. Sure, it doesn't have the liveliness of a track tuned ICE car but not once did I feel like I was missing out on anything other than the ICE noise. My driving instructor even remarked about how well it felt. And yeah, probably none of the average Joes getting these will drift/track these, but a few of us will, and I'm already needing new tires after only 6000 miles do to having so much fun with it. Also strongly disagree with mark with how inaccurate the range indicator is. I find it MUCH more accurate than the Bolt's by a long shot, like I actually fully trust this one. I don't have the breadth of experience the SG crew has in terms of different quantities of cars drive but definitely much more than your average joe and with more than enough autox and track experience to have a baseline. And no I'm far from a KIA shill, but from a mere mortal perspective, it's an excellent car for what it is, the performance is unbeatable at this price point (especially in turns, it's not a straight line car like most muscle cars) build quality is very good, and it really turns heads and will likely age well aesthetically. My biggest gripes with this car are a lot of the convenience features are excruciatingly frustrating and poorly thought out. The car will automatically unlock, but when I approach it from the copilot side, it will unlock, and by the time I walk back to the charging plug, then circle around to the driver door, it locks itself up. If the radar sensors detect you're too close to an object (ie a wall in the garage) the car will stop creeping altogether (like an automatic would at idle on D) so the only way to move is to press the throttle, which only results in the car moving in jolts since it's holding the brakes for you making it impossible to slowly and accurately creep closer. The car wont automatically lock itself when walking away (my bolts did). The preconditioning lasts only 20 minutes (vs 40 minutes on the bolt). If you park the GT while running and leave, it will not let you lock it. The bolt however would still lock itself and would stay running for up to 2 hours unattended which was awesome when running errands on a very hot/cold day. NO WIRELESS PHONE CONNECTIVITY IN 2023 FFS, you need to get a dongle, apparently it's some licensing issue that KIA was too cheap to pay for. Settings like automatic high beams and single-pedal drive mode ALWAYS get reset after every time you turn the car off (the Bolt would remember the last settings). There's tons more useability annoyances I"m probably forgetting. It feels like they strictly used the german engineers they poached from BMW etc for the driveline and interior (which is a good thing), but left the software and everything else to the engineers that were in charge of the original KIA Rio decades ago. IDGAF about the "Short" range as it's more than enough to criss cross one of the largest metro areas in the US that I currently live at 4x without having to recharge, so my wimpy 120v wall wart is more than enough. I don't really do road trips (that's what plane tickets are for) but it still has more than enough range to get to the next largest city if need be, but with the ridiculously fast charging this thing has I'm not worried at all going long distances as it charges not much longer than your average gas-up/pee/snack break takes. Coming from a chevy bolt with painfully slow 50kw "fast" charging the 18 minute fast charge time on these is absolutely mind blowing. Being able to plug in at 10%, walk a little ways to a restaurant, put my order, sit down, get my food, then check the app and see my car is already at 50% charge, and by the time I get back in it it's north of 85% is genuinely shocking. In all honestly I really miss the bolt, it was surprisingly a much better thought out car in terms of convenience and well designed features (supercruise is AMAZING), but as a car guy, it's hard to say no to nearly 600hp and good looks, and MUCH better build quality (low bar when comparing to a GM product I suppose). It's a perfect daily that you can take to the track straight from the factory without any need for mods.
It could be a bit of a Nissan GTR (R35) sort of problem, it can be engaging but you need to either be on a track, or have experiences from it in your memory when driving more sane, a taste of knowing where you are at and what its capable of. Steering and brake feel aside since i think its hard to argue against the state of those in this, its probable there is a lot of good its more just a issue of how much work the car does for you, being capable as it is, when huge part of the fun is being apart of the process especially at legal road speeds without pushing that hard. As a car guy i think you might understand the comparison although a odd one, back when the R35 came out and even with R34s that got tested by international press the big problem was just how "normal" or disengaged they felt at road speed. This car has even more of that and to be fair its a problem for anyone looking for a sporting car, especially if they never do or have done track stuff where you can still play the game, learn traction limits, all that and have it a bit on your mind when just tootling around.
@@Ottobon I see what you're getting at and mostly agree. That being said it doesn't take much for these to get tail happy even tooling around especially in the rain. But yes I will concede driving like an old lady is easy in this car and relatively mundane and to me a huge part of the appeal. I don't want to have my teeth rattled and ear drums blown every single time I go get groceries or drive to work. But I love how with just the push of a button I get that option when need be (minus the noise part of course in this car at least)
As a previous Bolt owner I agree with much you said about the Bolt. However, you’re comparing an EV6 to a Bolt which is an unfair comparison. You’re truly comparing apples to oranges, particularly in price, range and build quality. The good news is GM is bringing back an Ultium Bolt and that’s good news. Bolt, old and new , for the win.
@@letsgobrandon5800 With GM's current battery constraints for Ultium packs they're not going to be making Ultium based Bolts for at least 2 years. Last month they were still making some Ultium packs by hand since they didn't have enough cell packagers. When they make a decent profit on a Silverado or Hummer they're not going to put Bolts on the market as loss leaders - or at least I can't see them doing so with this strike going on.
No but I'd seriously buy a Prius Cross with 8 inches of ground clearance and looks exactly like the new Crown Sport but smaller and take it snowboarding
For real. No one needs 99% of the cars on the road. Trucks for contractors and construction workers Prius for the masses Sienna for family. That is it. You can literally throw the rest of the consumerist bullcrap out the door. Toyota's run for 300k+ miles on oil changes and nothing else, so why do we keep making shit. Wastefulness.
Not at all disagreeing with certain aspects, but i also don't test drive nearly the amount of cars you do, so i can't compare. But i have a GT for a few months now, and i really, really enjoy this car. Have a level 2 at home and at work. I get in the car and smile. That's the key for me.
I think the regular EV6 or Ioniq 5 are just a lot more compelling. The AWD versions are plenty fast and they have more range and more comfort. I do like the EV6 GT and what its trying to do and I appreciate Hyundai and Kia making the effort. The price-point is good and the cars that come after this one will benefit from what is learned.
2:40 The acceleration figures given in this video are incorrect. It says 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds right on Kia’s website. Dragy results show a true 0-60 mph of as quick as 3.2. 1/4 mile time given in this video is wrong too. It is an 11.3-11.4 car. I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but it was easy to verify that the numbers you gave were incorrect.
I test drove last years model and it's a fun drive, for me at least. I do agree with how obsolete these 1st gen EVs will be down the road. It's hard to justify spending all that money on a car that will, HOPEFULLY, see large improvements on efficiency and range. I still wish Plug-in Hybrids got more time under the R&D process. I think that was the next future for cars, and then possibly EVs decades later. The EV tech developed now would ideally improve Plug-in Hybrids range and efficiency and so on.
So many generalizations about "Performance EVs" in these comments. Hey keyboard warriros: I own a clean mostly stock low-mileage AP1 S2000 and a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Guess which one can take turns faster. Guess which one has the better steering feedback. Guess which one makes more happy chemicals in my brain when I go out for a drive. You won't like the answer.
These guys' reviews are so pretentious and unfair. Making the comparison to a lucid air Sapphire that costs 250k is completely unreasonable. I don't think the people at Kia ever thought that their EV would compete at $50,000 with a high performance luxury vehicle. That's not the point of this car. This car exists to give a taste of performance to people who don't have an unlimited budget. It's like saying the Elantra N doesn't compare favorably to a Ferrari and is therefore a terrible car. This car can be worse than a lucid air Sapphire and still be good for what it is-- an affordable performance EV.
Great review was always guys. You nailed it when you said about these cars are in their infancy Mark. We just leased a 2023 Kona SEL electric. So far, the range is better than we expected. It’s a great car firm point a to point b. We leased it because we know that the technology will be changing rapidly in the 3 years we leased it for.
@@CKY1942Probably not after the no-immobiliser in 80% of their cars up to 2020 making them stupidly easy to steal. EV6 is a great car, but the mistakes of the past will haunt KIA/Hyundai for a while, just like dieselgate haunts VW.
This was a very disappointing review. I have owned this car for 16k miles, and your experiences have not even been close to mine in any sense except that we both agree the car is set up on the stiffer side. Range: I get 250mi on 100% charge. I do not notice "precipitous drop" getting in the car on a cold day. I jave averaged 3.0mi/kwh over the life of the car, including all my hooning around, which the car runs 11.4s and 0-60 is 3.2, not 11.7 and 3.7 or whatever. The steering is excellent. Rack and pinion. These are 255s up front on a 4800# car though, but I still get decent feedback. In short, I think you just dislike the brand or car in general, and that's okay, but I am surprised at the number if cars Ive owned, that you've reviewed, where I say "yeah! Thats what I experienced!" and then this one, where no, its not. And as to H/K not talking about engineering? Have you been on their website? They go so in depth on this thing you could have spent 17 minites talking about the 320kw regen braking, 21k rpm motors, dual phase SiC inverter, all that jazz all by itself with the data on that page.
Great point. I don't think Mark and Jack understand what you mentioned at the end of your comment about engineering details of EVs. They don't seem to care(know) the difference between LFP and NCM/NCA.
as an old fart I don't want an iPhone that turns in to a brick once the battery's cant hold a charge for long drives after 4 years for a car i get that its made for this new generation that have never shifted gears but the fact that this is what every car company's will be making truly sucks
Please compare this car objectively with cars about the same price. This is half the price of a Tycan before you choose options on the Tycan, less than one quarter the price of the latest Lucid that impress you so much (me included). I really enjoy your take on the latest Lucid. But crashing a car less than a quarter of the price by comparing them, how they were different, you are considered biased and lose some credibility. Coming from someone driving 200k (USD) cars, you look down on them. Coming from someone driving a 50K car, this is very good. I totally agree this is the beginning of EV products and they will improve by leaping like every year. Yes, I know that when I buy the EV6 GT.
@@JohnFromAccounting I am over sixty years old and will not likely appreciate how the tech improve in 10 years. And it is not a piece of shit. These are really cruel comments. It is really idiotic to use this word when you have no idea the background of the comment. And to be honest, comparing a 250k to a 60k car, your comment applies to them all, right?
Sixty thousand can get you a great ICE vehicle with great range and driver feedback with much better luxurious accommodations. I think that's what everybody is complaining about with this EV. The fact is EV's aren't going to save the planet at this price nor are they hoping to be widely adapted.
@@timothycc711 Yes, I know that and I agreed with everything you said. My closing choice with similar price ICE will be a M340 and M2. But this is so different. I very much agree that EVs are not going to save the planet. They have their own environment issues and certainly no cleaner. The only way to minimize the impact of car in general is to charge the EV by solar. This way the damage to our environment will be less. (only less but not disappear altogether). And I am already trying that.
I think Mark much to his credit has identified a certain car buying demographic to appeal to with his shift to EV's for everyman and I suspect it will be the same demographic that will be lining up to have Neuralink installed.
It looks quite nice, I think. I do wish it had knobs/buttons/switches instead of touch controls, but I can’t afford a new car so my opinion is irrelevant to Kia lol.
@Savagegeese love the review but a major flaw. A car starting at 61k MSRP (plus taxes, dealer fees etc) is NOT an affordable car. Especially in the current economy.
why do people keep complaining "range" on a super car? have you seen ANY super cars that has more than 16MPG or can even go far even 200 miles on gas???? This performance car is a great car and a great value who can't afford 120K car with the same performance. This channel feels like bias Anti-Ev to me. I drive EVs, they are just cars! Not sure what these guys smoking, there is so much feedback, emotion as you speed through with tunnel vision. My hands gets so sweaty because I can FEEL how fast its pulling. If you want to hear things, open the damn window. The point of EVs is to have comfortable quiet ride especially for families.
I've had my gt for about 3 months. Only other "sporty" car I've ever owned was a Golf V R32 and that was a while ago so hard to compare. I upgraded from a 2014 BMW i3 which to be honest was far more fun to drive than you'd think, but battery was down to about 60-70 miles. I have the matte gray paint which sucks to take care of but this is the first car I've owned that people stop to take photos of. I read (not confirmed) that the non-electric seat choice was to get the driver position as low as possible and less to just add sports seats because sports car. It is a confusing car, because it's a good GT but not enough range to go cross country, has sports seats but it's a GT car etc. IMHO it's very controllable and I don't really know what they're talking about re tires, I can tell what the back end is doing, I haven't drifted it yet but seriously looking at tracking it. I honestly could have stretched and got a used Taycan, but even a used base Taycan is +$30k and for my 10 mile commute + weekends not worth it. I actually got mine for $6k under MSRP.
"We asked our Kia/Hyundai rep and they have no idea". This sums up my experience bringing my G70 in 4 times for 6 separate issues. God only knows how awful these EVs will be for Hyundai to "maintain".
I have the same feeling about the BMW i4 that I just drove, super fast but zero steering feel, almost no brake feel and just very little driver involvement. BOOOOOOOOOOORING.
I can't believe it's illegal to operate your cellphone while driving, but it's perfectly fine to scroll through 5 different menus on your touch screen in order to change something in the car. It's baffling
Way off base. These cars are crazy fun and very inexpensive in relation to anything else with the same performance. As a daily driver they are good looking, nimble and safe and when you want to you can load your family in it and eat a 911's lunch. If you are advocating not buying something because next year's model will be better, the same can be said every year. Do you walk to work?
This video seems like a big nothing burger. This channel previously reviewed the EV6 GT line. If the GT is so trivially different from the GT line, why bother reviewing it, especially at this late date? If the purpose of this video was to grouse about perceived shortcomings in the GT - because you wanted to drive it like a hooligan and were disappointed that cars have moved on from being the dinosaurs they were pre-EVs - then congratulations I guess you did that.
Ah yes finally an affordable car (checks price) Never mind...43k + Can people stop pretending like these cars are worth the money? We all know that other than the battery an EV is significantly cheaper to manufacture not just in materials, but also in manufacturing TIME. If telsa's own claims are true and the profit margin for a model 3 is like 9 grand and they can afford to sell them at sub 35 grand and turn a profit, there is quite literally ZERO reason any of these hunks of disposable non recyclable junk should cost more than 30K. And if it does cost Kia more than Tesla to make one, then they are doing it wrong and should go out of business because such is capitalism.
This is a Kia hatchback/suv made to be somewhat interesting to drive without frightening your grandmother, not a sports car from the 50s/60s/70s/80s/90s/00s bursting with character and also featuring downsides. No machine is absolutely perfect for every situation. Judge the damn thing on its merits, not just focusing on its flaws.
Thanks to many people willing to beta-test these early EV platforms/vehicles. I"ll pick up an EV in a decade or so. I'm guessing everything should be up to snuff by then. Right now a PHEV (like the RAV4) would be my first choice.
Nitpick: The tradeoffs are being discussed in a great way! And then "frunk utilization" comes in. Having a frunk, or the size of the frunk, is absolutely a tradeoff of the interior space of an EV. Would you rather have a bigger frunk or more cabin room?
I really don’t get the whining about range. It gets longer range than my camaro and will blow me away at the drag strip. There are always compromises with performance cars.
This 'review' looks more like a rant from old petrolheads against EVs. Show me another electric model that offers more for the price, it's great as quiet daily driver then you can summon the beast inside within a second. When you compare it to Teslas it's way more engaging to drive. You cannot compare this to ICE sports cars who cost twice the price!
I don't know how they think anyone is going to actually buy one of these things. Kia and Hyundai have long been the value brand which gave you the most for either the lowest price, or a competitive price. This is neither. I can buy a model 3 performance right now for $47k, has a 300mi range and does 0-60 in 3.1... why would anyone spend $61k to get 100mi less range, a slower 0-60, and an inferior charging network ? That's not even taking into account the dealerships which are "market adjusting" the prices even higher, and that doesnt happen with Tesla. Sorry Kia, you missed the mark on this one.
It's crazy how inefficient some of these cars are compared to the old BMW i3. My 60 mile commute with a near 50 mph average speed is around 5 Mi/Kwh and my overall average over the last year of ownership (including cold weather driving) has been 3.9. I really hope we see more cars pushing the 4+ efficiency range so no one has to drive around with an entire mine of batteries below them.
It's funny to watch this video and then when they get to the stop light and sit there, all the vehicles they passed pass them back. Something I've told people for years, speed means nothing on the street. You literally don't get anywhere with speed on the street 🤣
The South Koreans have been killing it lately. Genesis, Kia, Hyundai, always impressed me in terms of value for performance and comfort. Very excited to see they are among the top of the EV game so far, only behind Tesla in usability and comfort.
I get what you say about feedback but I think you’re going over the top here. All of this is prefaced with ‘assuming the range works for you’ve cause if not, well the best car is a Tesla Model 3 Long range. But if it does then the EV6 GT has few downsides over the regular model, it’s hardly any more expensive, has a nicer interior, I think it handles better and of course has that extra power. Unlike driving a V8 BMW coupe, or a 911 (both of which I did prior to the KIA) it does the trade off between utility car and sports car much better, remembering that 95% of the time you want utility not sports. I’m delighted with mine, it’s saving me huge amounts of money compared with daily driving my 997, and that feels more special now I just keep it for weekends. I don’t need or want a car to drift in my daily drive, just something fast and refined, the EV6 does this brilliantly. (When I want ultimate feedback I’ve got my BAC Mono and Honda NSX)
Sounds like my dudes need to put in some stiffer dampers and bushings, turn off some steering nannies, and maybe trade out that steering column. Ditch some NVH for good measure. I feel like the magic for making a communicative, connective sports car is right on the tip of the tongue for most automakers, they just gotta give up the illusion of luxury
I really want to watch SG and support them, but it’s hard to watch full length videos on any EV, they just don’t excite me. I’m fortunate enough to travel a bit for work and rent whatever I want, I’ve rented plenty of EVs, after about 20 pulls it’s boring and annoying that you kill the battery. Most are boarder line dangerous with their weight and lack of handling and braking. It’s got a 600 hp motor and 200 hp equivalent brakes.
It looks the part, i was sure it would be fun to drive. The adjustable dampers and the front suspension changes looked promising to me. I'm interested at going EV, but i would like something smaller and less expensive but nice to drive.
As far as tracking these cars, local to me there are at least two different EV6 gt's that regularly show up for SCCA Track Night in America events. So I guess some people are definitely interested in tracking EVs. Will be interesting to see how much the Ioniq 5N fixes. I don't care how you feel about it so don't bother responding with something stupid about EVs vs ICE.
I've never seen two car reviewers who just hate cars as much as these two. They've become so cynical to everything that they're just not worth watching anymore.
Something to keep in mind is that the Lexus ES300h has a range of 700 miles. So if quietness, ride comfort, fantastic fuel efficiency, and ultra-reliability are your priorities (and let's not forget long trips without range anxiety), then skip the EVs.
Another banger review by the boys, my thoughts exactly on EV "sports cars" they lack the dynamics and character that make them special. I dont do crazy speeds in my camaro its the sounds and feelings that make it worth the money to own a second car.
1:13 The "legacy lag" in the UI is strong enough that he pressed "Setup" twice. Legacy lag is a hidden reason many hate touch UIs. While a physical button may be best, a touch UI is workable if it responds immediately to input. When it lags and causes the user to doubt whether their input was captured, both frustration and danger risk is cranked way up. Eyes will need to move to the target again to (re)confirm the target, another press is made, etc. Legacy lag is dangerous.
We can’t take you seriously if you’re going to constantly compare an affordable performance EV to a $200,000 bespoke EV from Silicon Valley. It doesn’t take 17 minutes to explain why the $200,000 car is better than a $60,000 car. Imagine if they were driving a C6 and constantly talking about how the Audi R8 is so much more refined.
No one is comparing the two products. Its a difference in product philosphy and branding, Kia and Hyundais weakness is they are all over the place and don't focus on dynamics at all. Its a ton of marketing then change, market and change.
G80, G90, Ioniq5, and Elantra N are great products. Even to some extent Telluride and Pallasade. But just ignore that though and manufacture a fake vendetta we have.
I test drove this, and man, I've had a wide smile on my face. I haven't experienced that since test driving the Genesis Coupe, Accord Coupe V6, and TLX Type S.
Me too. It's smooth and just accelerates easily. Went ahead and bought it. Getting 270 miles of range in ECO mode. NO need to crank up the GT in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic.
Great video and good points. I am in charge of the electrification transition at a Tier supplier to the auto industry and I agree that the amount of disruption and engineering advancement that the industry is going to see over the next 10-15 years is huge. When people challenge me about the switch to electric vehicles, the cost, the range, the charging infrastructure, etc. I remind them that we are in very early days of this transition. People had to get fuel from their local hardware store in tin cans when the Model T came out and the roadways were still cart paths for horses. It took us 120 years to get where we are today with ICE technology and infrastructure and I think we need to realize that the speed of this transition is astonishing considering the complexities involved. Ok final point putting my "car guy" hat on. I am a current Stinger GT owner as my daily and I also have 3 other V8 powered American vehicles in my fleet. I will also miss the involvement and noise of these cars being available, but I was considering replacing my Stinger with an EV6 GT. Even with your review of it being numb and perhaps too isolated, I have two V8 manual sports cars to have that driver involvement. So as a daily driver, I think it is an ok option (manual adjusting non-cooled seats in the EV6 GT though...really?!). My problem is I paid $45,000 CAD for Stinger new in 2020 and now the dealer wants almost $90,000 CAD for an EV6 GT. It is not twice the car and I am not going to save $45,000 in fuel. I would convert my daily drivers to EV's and lease them for the next few years...but the cost just makes no sense. Period.
Your point about EVs being early doors is a good one. A lot of people see the challenges of EV adoption as a roadblock instead of a hurdle. The industry is not doing anything to help that though. I've been waiting for someone (that isn't Tesla) to make a small and attractive electric sedan. Instead, automakers are so focused on big, heavy, long-range SUVs and pickups that just create a whole new set of issues. We're already seeing damage to roadways, collapsing parking structures, high tire wear, longer braking times, and other things like battery disposal and replacement costs for these big, heavy EVs. If you zoom out though, the solution to cars isn't electric cars. The infrastructure in NA is built to accommodate cars and not people. Even as an enthusiast myself, the obsession with the automobile is not sustainable, and a transition to EVs is just moving the problems around.
Hyundai-Kia, their EV technology is quite competitive compared to most companies. Go look up all the data. It's available if you know what they're talking about. For the price they offer this much, it's a steal.
If anyone’s looking for one but can’t justify the outrageous prices some of these dealers ask for I know of one with 4,000 miles in bloomington-normal Illinois for $48,000. Bought my civic type r from them and they’re an honest dealer which is rare nowadays. Maybe look into it if you’re wanting one bad enough. (:
I sure am glad I bought my 2022 Hyundai Kona N while I had the chance. Ask the man who owns one: The 2L turbo and 8sp wet dual clutch transmission are perfectly matched for driving engagement at any speed. The first thing I did was set the adaptive dampers to their most compliant setting and left 'em there. Next, I swapped out the OEM, 5,000 mi-&-done Pirelli P Zeros for Pirelli P Zero Elect tires, which perform and wear much better. I think Hyundai will regret only offering this gem for (barely) two model years. Reports that any future Kona N, based on what is essentially the Kia Seltos platform, will most likely be all-electric are not encouraging. Evidently, "Car Christ" Albert Biermann must have seen the handwriting on the wall and decided to get while the getting was good. Sigh.
Touch screen ‘buttons’ need to be banned from consumer design schools world wide. There should be a cane in every classroom specifically designated to punish offenders.
touch buttons are a cost saving measure. Proper manufacturing of physical items is becoming a lost art.
Naaaaah... just wait people crashed or getting killed at traffic incidents because of those stupid things, just wait... it's worth waiting and... worth the lives 😈
I dont even understand how these pass safety trials. They rag about people using mobile phones in cars, but dicking around with the touchscreen attached to your car is fine.
Just so companies can cut corners on tooling for physical buttons.
as said its a cost thing, but also conversely a 'premium' thing for late millennials onwards as long as the screens dont lag (and few Korean cars do) and those morons are too busy staring at the screen to care about whether its actually effective in a CAR
For that reason expect the oncoming deluge of Chinese electrics to take from the Korean template, not the "I have more than two braincells to rub together" Japanese one
Boomers - screen type buttons are much better. They can be reconfigured and redesigned after the delivery has taken place. On top of that voice actuation is a thing if you are too scared to quickly glance at the screen while you are driving
I own a Kia EV6 GT. It's my first electric car. I have owned many "affordable" performance cars in the past. I think Mark hits many important points here. It's fast, but not very communicative. It's quiet and smooth, but not enough to be a luxury car. It's all those things. I had an RS3 Audi that I loved, but it was at the dealership with issues more than I would have liked. I had a Lexus ES300H that I loved because it was extremely quiet and smooth but was very limited in performance. The EV6 GT bridges that gap for me perfectly. I've taken several day trips with it and on the highway it returns better than expected range. (I've gotten 250 miles out of a charge) Once you step on it, that range tanks fast. To have the automotive experience that Jack and Mark have, would make me very critical of most cars. I haven't driven a 10th of what they've driven. Being ignorant of what's out there makes a lot of these cars better to the average joe. Still, I value their opinions but with some reservation. The best car I have ever driven is probably middle tier for them. My starting and ending points for what's good are much closer together.
I’ve driven one. Chirping all 4 tyres off the line is definitely entertaining.
My driving history is mid too. WRX, then Audi S3, then Passat R36 (most disappointing car), then Mercedes A45 first gen (favourite car), then Audi S4 which was very reliable and good fun, and now a Mercedes GLA45S which would be hard to give up.
Did you pay over MSRP? I owned KIA Stinger and looking for EV as 2nd car. I was looking forward EVGT however for 60k with 15-20k over MSRP did not make any sense!? For same price Model X but End up Model Y performance 52k and tax credit $7500.
@@aymanlockhartable No. I received approximately $8000 off MSRP with various rebates and by financing through KIA. KIA had a competitive APR.
@@forrysc Wow thats nice!
I have the EV6 GT, and my other car is a heavily modified GR86 in pursuit of as much feedback/sharp handling as I can manage because that is what I value most.
In general EVs have the worst driver feedback imaginable. The tires in particular seem to be a huge part of the problem, as EV tires are designed for high weight load and low rolling resistance - things that numb them in terms of delivering information about what they are doing. But I don't think that this video was entirely fair in the analysis here - the feedback on this vehicle was one of the primary reasons we chose the EV6 GT in particular, as it was the only EV in our price range that felt like you were driving an actual vehicle and not a toaster.
At the end of the day these are just station wagons for hauling the kid's soccer gear and driven by the wife with the instructions "don't press the green button" - no one is seriously considering these for a drift session, track day, or canyon carving. They should be judged against their actual competition - not dedicated performance vehicles with nearly five times the price tag like this video did. There is value in being a jack of all trades, master of none.
I feel like they were judging the EV6 GT here not on its merits, but rather as an entirely different kind of vehicle they are hoping will soon exist. In their defense Kia has been all over the map with what they want to try and market this vehicle as, so if you are going by Kia's "it's a supercar" line then I both have a bridge to sell you, and their criticisms make more sense. Overall I'd agree with you that this review feels like it is valuable information, but out of touch with a more normal person's experiences and needs.
Summary: “really really hoping this car isn’t a set up for [N] because it’s on the same fundamental foundation, on the same architecture, and if it’s going to feel like that it’s going to be a pile shit.” Mark just lays it on at 8:50
can't take him seriously after watching Mark's Lucid Sapphire review.
This is going to be a quick video on EV6 GT: video is 17 mins long 😂
Yeah, in the land of SG that is quick. Beware the term "deep dive" with the geese.
I have an EV6 GT. It is my first EV, but far from my first performance car. Yeah it's heavy, yeah the steering is overboosted. He raises valid points about the chassis not communicating much- which makes sense, it's full of heavy batteries that will dampen the subtle inputs we learn to expect from well sorted cars. That being said, I don't think it's as bad as Mark says. It's still an absolute riot to drive. I've never not realized I was burning tire. Adding oversteer with your foot will never not be fun. The 0-60 is a fun trick to scare unsuspecting passengers, the flat torque curve makes it predictable and easy to push.
On a whole it's an exercise in compromise- a large, comfortable commuter car that can carry a family, be comfortable on the highway, tear up a mountain road, do giant smoky drifts, and sell for $55-$60k is always going to be, be it gas or electric. You aren't going to get all of everything no matter how you slice it- you always lose something. I came directly off of a Fiesta ST into the EV6. It had a better chassis and suspension that the Kia, without question. It was also tiny, rough, loud, uncomfortable for any sort of distance, and cost twice as much to run.
One point that always grinds my gears is the discussion about EV range when you drive like a clown. But like... gas cars are like that too. The ST did 12 MPG at track days. My friend's C6 does 4. It comes with the territory. The real complaint is that there should be more chargers around, and especially at tracks, and I agree with that completely.
Overall my point is that while this is clearly a negative review that touches on valid points, you could do a lot worse if your wants and needs line up with what it offers. I wanted a comfortable, efficient commuter car with a split personality as a crazy muscle/sports car, and I got exactly what I wanted. It won't be right for everyone, and it's not supposed to be.
Agreed 100%. My EV6 is every bit as fun as my last ICE daily/track car. Only thing missing was the noise, which honestly was hugely made up for with the insane amount of power. I have noticed though, and my only beef with SG, is that Mark especially seems overly harsh with EVs, except in maybe that recent Lucid long video. Jack seems to be much more in tune with the realities and compromises of EVs instead of just bashing them just because they're EVs. Mark isn't necessarily wrong in his statements but definitely being overly negative and simplistic and assuming the worse case scenarios are the most frequent scenarios.
As a Fiesta ST owner actively shopping for an EV or PHEV that’s big enough for two child seats, this resonates. I am really going to miss the everyday, all-speeds fun and playfulness of the Fiesta. Your 12mpg on track comment made me think “drive harder!,” but I checked my own records and … 11-12mpg on track in my Fiesta also. Glad the EV6 is working out for you. It’s on my list but I am trying to hold out for an Ioniq 5N.
Agree 100%
EV6 GT for the daily drive, Porsche 997 relegated to Sunday mornings, NSX for special occasions and a BAC Mono for track days. The KIA can absolutely hold its head high amongst those cars in my experience, it’s a brilliant thing.
who reviews a performance/grand-touring version of a crossover as if it should be a sports car? come on guys...quit doing this. It's. A. Grand. Touring. Crossover. You do actually *know* what GT means, right? It's meant to be super quiet and comfortable on long distance drives, but be capable of the performance if you need or want it. It isn't a sports coupe. Yes the marketing would have you believe its a fun track monster (which it probably is in some ways). But review the car, not the marketing. You guys are always making this mistake and its the reason I haven't subscribed and don't watch your videos often. Contrast that with Kyle from out-of-spec who got this same car, did a very fun, informal review on it, had a blast, and just basically reviewed it as exactly what it is. Oh, and he also used it how it was supposed to be used...blasting down the Autobahn at high speeds. That's what a grand touring car is for. grand. touring. The EV6 GT is an awesome grand touring crossover, but a casual viewer of your video would never know it. If the Porsche 718 EV comes out and has poor feedback, for sure, you should lay into it. But this? And then your lecture about how current EVs suck and you shouldn't buy one yet, snuck in at the end of a review video but having nothing specifically to do with Kia or the EV6. Saying that a Tesla is only good for point A-B driving and that is their "niche"? You have to be really ignorant to not know that there are tens of thousands of people tracking Teslas all over the world and having a great time. Once again, another reason not to subscribe, and precisely why Kyle gets far more views and subscriptions. He knows just as much or more about the cars than you do.
POV: You just bought a Toyota Supra A91, and decided to pick the automatic since it has the quicker acceleration times. You pull up to a traffic light feeling all smug cause you have a pretty quick car. All of a sudden you hear a plastic booming sound, and a Kia EV6 GT with a baby on board sticker pulls up playing Lil Baby on full blast. When the light turns green you hear a quick screeching of tires and the Kia is gone...
2040: if you don’t have a 0-60 in 2 seconds car you’re slow
Here in Southern CA, most EV6s are not GTs, so the vast majority of EVs will be left in the dust against a Supra B58 and even fewer EVs will out-accelerate a C8 Corvette. A 2017 NSX hybrid is on par with a C8 as far as acceleration. But I agree with Mark that for point a to b commuting to work, the EV6 GT and some higher end model 3 Teslas represent bragging rights for the fastest bang for the buck in a straight line.
Make no mistake though, on a tight, curvy road, a Mazda MX5 Miata will leave all those very heavy EVs in the dust for half the cost.
@@davepaturno4290So true...I love when Tesla guys try to flex because, unless they have a Plaid, I'll annihilate them in my little 6 cylinder. lol
I don’t see lil baby blasting, baby on board sticker rocking people being able to afford this car lol
Drag racing is boring though so it hardly matters.
I would never buy a car that doesn’t have physical HVAC controls.
100%...this and the "motorize all the things" trend REALLY need to go away.
I can't wait until we see the next generations of all of these cars. I'm sure it is going to feel a lot like how the cellphone did, we all have old phones in drawers lol
No kidding, not only that, you will be able to buy cars with similar capabilities as this for their REAL price of 20-30 grand not 45-65 grand which is in fact a rip off.
The days of decent cars under $35K are over.
Lol we absolutely have a phone graveyard. Why are we keeping them? I have no idea but it's neat to take out the blackberry or slide phone with full qwerty keyboard and tell my daughter, "this is what phones USED to look like"
Throw away cars.
Exactly. The first generation of electric cars are now fancy golf carts.
Im surprised Kia let you guys anywhere near thier cars after what yall did and said about the Stinger! Just kidding 😅
If they did a video on their recalls, engine failures and fires over the last 10 years, I would be impressed.
@@C6v1999ahh the one brand hare continuea while you conveniently forget almost all MFGs. Have recalls.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings
Doesn't matter what he, scotty, or others say. Hyundai-Kia is on its way to becoming #1
😂😂😂
@MK3504 Yeah, like Toyota's unintended acceleration catastrophe, where Toyota CEO had to go to Washington to apologize for their deadly junk. Hyundai-Kia CEO never had to go to Washington.
@@MK3504Yeah, like Honda's Takata Airbag massacre.
I currently own an EV. I agree with Mark that these things make great daily drivers, grocery getters, and work taxis. I don’t think sporty driving feel is going to be a thing for a while for EVs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though- more people are now opting for manual transmissions. This means that enthusiast cars aren’t going to disappear as the EV revolution ramps up. What it does mean is that you’ll now have to own both a work taxi, and an enthusiast car. The good thing is- your EV work taxi will save you money, need less maintenance, and you’ll be able to focus your enthusiast car on what you want to do with it instead of compromising it by driving it every day. EVs will get more affordable, and have longer ranges. Even my slow little Bolt is a freaking rocket in traffic making it very easy to avoid the speeding Tahoe sporting 26” wheels, or that pristine F150 4WD with 44” tires!
The problem to many is not that EVs can be added to well-off families with 3 -car garages. Rather, it's that mandates were created that all other powertrains, including excellent hybrids must be eliminated from our choices. Those who live in apartments or rented houses in cold climates will likely not have the best solution for their transportation needs if choices are eliminated.
@@davepaturno4290they won’t be
@DH-og5yr Let's hope not. A change in presidential party will help.
@@DH-og5yrThey already have been.
3.2 seconds 0-60 + drift mode in a Kia EV crossover is fkg bonkers 😂
I always appreciate the straight-forward honesty with their reviews. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the Ioniq 5 N review. Every time I search google for news on it and see the same articles from June/July I get sad. So excited that new content and information will be coming out very soon!
The 5 N is my most eagerly anticipated car. There are lots of Korean language videos out. I don't know what they're saying but they seem to be having a good time. And Top Gear has added it to their Speed Week videos and it's the last car mentioned in their recent teaser video. Should be good.
I hate EVs so much but I have an Elantra N right now and feel like i might have to get a 5 N because of what it can do transmission wise and have pops and bangs from exterior speakers
Have one for 10months. Don't disagree with your observations, but I will add that for the money it's still the most involving (performance) EV on the market.
Note: I'm not too bothered by the range, and here in Denmark it cost less than an I30N due to taxation.
Thanks for the review
Strong disagree, i4 40 E Drive is RWD platform and much more engaging, and cheaper at 60k, it also gets vastly more range, and the 0-60 numbers they advertise are 0.9s faster than advertised with rollout (0.6s faster without rollout). So 4.8s and 5.1s respectively. However, if all you care about is going fast, then you should just get a M3P, and they have a superior charging network, range and software.
Also when I got it, it was 5k cheaper too after all the performance options (breaks, msport suspension, luxury package), so about 5k in options.
I traded in my Taycan 4S for one, its essentially 75% of the performance (a bit worse steering and driver position) for less than half the money... hard to justify. Vehicles I test drove:
Mini Cooper SE, BMW i4 M50 and i4 40 edrive, EV6 GT, Taycan Taycan 4S, M3P (twice), Model S (suffered from being too wide like the Taycan IMO). So not a ton of EVs, but most the 'sporty' ones.
@@PhonyBologna You are confusing models.
@@trykpaa Care to elaborate?
I own a GT (my 3rd EV after 2x Bolts, 1st gen and facelift) and took it to the track and it was an absolute beast. A VW GTI was my last ICE car and this thing feels nearly every bit as nimble (though much heavier, but it hides its weight well). I strongly disagree with mark on how numb this feels. Sure, it doesn't have the liveliness of a track tuned ICE car but not once did I feel like I was missing out on anything other than the ICE noise. My driving instructor even remarked about how well it felt. And yeah, probably none of the average Joes getting these will drift/track these, but a few of us will, and I'm already needing new tires after only 6000 miles do to having so much fun with it. Also strongly disagree with mark with how inaccurate the range indicator is. I find it MUCH more accurate than the Bolt's by a long shot, like I actually fully trust this one. I don't have the breadth of experience the SG crew has in terms of different quantities of cars drive but definitely much more than your average joe and with more than enough autox and track experience to have a baseline. And no I'm far from a KIA shill, but from a mere mortal perspective, it's an excellent car for what it is, the performance is unbeatable at this price point (especially in turns, it's not a straight line car like most muscle cars) build quality is very good, and it really turns heads and will likely age well aesthetically.
My biggest gripes with this car are a lot of the convenience features are excruciatingly frustrating and poorly thought out. The car will automatically unlock, but when I approach it from the copilot side, it will unlock, and by the time I walk back to the charging plug, then circle around to the driver door, it locks itself up. If the radar sensors detect you're too close to an object (ie a wall in the garage) the car will stop creeping altogether (like an automatic would at idle on D) so the only way to move is to press the throttle, which only results in the car moving in jolts since it's holding the brakes for you making it impossible to slowly and accurately creep closer. The car wont automatically lock itself when walking away (my bolts did). The preconditioning lasts only 20 minutes (vs 40 minutes on the bolt). If you park the GT while running and leave, it will not let you lock it. The bolt however would still lock itself and would stay running for up to 2 hours unattended which was awesome when running errands on a very hot/cold day. NO WIRELESS PHONE CONNECTIVITY IN 2023 FFS, you need to get a dongle, apparently it's some licensing issue that KIA was too cheap to pay for. Settings like automatic high beams and single-pedal drive mode ALWAYS get reset after every time you turn the car off (the Bolt would remember the last settings). There's tons more useability annoyances I"m probably forgetting. It feels like they strictly used the german engineers they poached from BMW etc for the driveline and interior (which is a good thing), but left the software and everything else to the engineers that were in charge of the original KIA Rio decades ago.
IDGAF about the "Short" range as it's more than enough to criss cross one of the largest metro areas in the US that I currently live at 4x without having to recharge, so my wimpy 120v wall wart is more than enough. I don't really do road trips (that's what plane tickets are for) but it still has more than enough range to get to the next largest city if need be, but with the ridiculously fast charging this thing has I'm not worried at all going long distances as it charges not much longer than your average gas-up/pee/snack break takes. Coming from a chevy bolt with painfully slow 50kw "fast" charging the 18 minute fast charge time on these is absolutely mind blowing. Being able to plug in at 10%, walk a little ways to a restaurant, put my order, sit down, get my food, then check the app and see my car is already at 50% charge, and by the time I get back in it it's north of 85% is genuinely shocking.
In all honestly I really miss the bolt, it was surprisingly a much better thought out car in terms of convenience and well designed features (supercruise is AMAZING), but as a car guy, it's hard to say no to nearly 600hp and good looks, and MUCH better build quality (low bar when comparing to a GM product I suppose). It's a perfect daily that you can take to the track straight from the factory without any need for mods.
It could be a bit of a Nissan GTR (R35) sort of problem, it can be engaging but you need to either be on a track, or have experiences from it in your memory when driving more sane, a taste of knowing where you are at and what its capable of. Steering and brake feel aside since i think its hard to argue against the state of those in this, its probable there is a lot of good its more just a issue of how much work the car does for you, being capable as it is, when huge part of the fun is being apart of the process especially at legal road speeds without pushing that hard.
As a car guy i think you might understand the comparison although a odd one, back when the R35 came out and even with R34s that got tested by international press the big problem was just how "normal" or disengaged they felt at road speed. This car has even more of that and to be fair its a problem for anyone looking for a sporting car, especially if they never do or have done track stuff where you can still play the game, learn traction limits, all that and have it a bit on your mind when just tootling around.
@@Ottobon I see what you're getting at and mostly agree. That being said it doesn't take much for these to get tail happy even tooling around especially in the rain. But yes I will concede driving like an old lady is easy in this car and relatively mundane and to me a huge part of the appeal. I don't want to have my teeth rattled and ear drums blown every single time I go get groceries or drive to work. But I love how with just the push of a button I get that option when need be (minus the noise part of course in this car at least)
As a previous Bolt owner I agree with much you said about the Bolt. However, you’re comparing an EV6 to a Bolt which is an unfair comparison. You’re truly comparing apples to oranges, particularly in price, range and build quality. The good news is GM is bringing back an Ultium Bolt and that’s good news. Bolt, old and new , for the win.
@@letsgobrandon5800 With GM's current battery constraints for Ultium packs they're not going to be making Ultium based Bolts for at least 2 years. Last month they were still making some Ultium packs by hand since they didn't have enough cell packagers. When they make a decent profit on a Silverado or Hummer they're not going to put Bolts on the market as loss leaders - or at least I can't see them doing so with this strike going on.
Turning off auto hold makes maneuvering in tight spaces like a garage much easier. No more jolting.
We just need 2 cars
8 inch ground clearance Prius and Sienna
No but I'd seriously buy a Prius Cross with 8 inches of ground clearance and looks exactly like the new Crown Sport but smaller and take it snowboarding
For real. No one needs 99% of the cars on the road.
Trucks for contractors and construction workers
Prius for the masses
Sienna for family.
That is it. You can literally throw the rest of the consumerist bullcrap out the door. Toyota's run for 300k+ miles on oil changes and nothing else, so why do we keep making shit.
Wastefulness.
I’ve owned a lot of cars, people give me funny looks when I tell them the Prius is possibly the best car that exists
I own a '15 prius. It's not a bad car. It's just slow as hell....and everyone on the road HATES it and you.
@@Unchainedmaple888 I want a 911 Dakar for that haha
Not at all disagreeing with certain aspects, but i also don't test drive nearly the amount of cars you do, so i can't compare. But i have a GT for a few months now, and i really, really enjoy this car. Have a level 2 at home and at work. I get in the car and smile. That's the key for me.
"None of their other cars have great dynamics..." Elantra N would like a word.
Thats a different story (i should have mentioned it)
I think the regular EV6 or Ioniq 5 are just a lot more compelling. The AWD versions are plenty fast and they have more range and more comfort. I do like the EV6 GT and what its trying to do and I appreciate Hyundai and Kia making the effort. The price-point is good and the cars that come after this one will benefit from what is learned.
This is the car that a wife calling in to the Dave Ramsey show said her husband bought for way too much money and now they are in terrible debt 😅
2:40 The acceleration figures given in this video are incorrect. It says 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds right on Kia’s website. Dragy results show a true 0-60 mph of as quick as 3.2. 1/4 mile time given in this video is wrong too. It is an 11.3-11.4 car. I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but it was easy to verify that the numbers you gave were incorrect.
I test drove last years model and it's a fun drive, for me at least. I do agree with how obsolete these 1st gen EVs will be down the road. It's hard to justify spending all that money on a car that will, HOPEFULLY, see large improvements on efficiency and range. I still wish Plug-in Hybrids got more time under the R&D process. I think that was the next future for cars, and then possibly EVs decades later. The EV tech developed now would ideally improve Plug-in Hybrids range and efficiency and so on.
So many generalizations about "Performance EVs" in these comments. Hey keyboard warriros: I own a clean mostly stock low-mileage AP1 S2000 and a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Guess which one can take turns faster. Guess which one has the better steering feedback. Guess which one makes more happy chemicals in my brain when I go out for a drive. You won't like the answer.
These guys' reviews are so pretentious and unfair. Making the comparison to a lucid air Sapphire that costs 250k is completely unreasonable. I don't think the people at Kia ever thought that their EV would compete at $50,000 with a high performance luxury vehicle. That's not the point of this car. This car exists to give a taste of performance to people who don't have an unlimited budget. It's like saying the Elantra N doesn't compare favorably to a Ferrari and is therefore a terrible car. This car can be worse than a lucid air Sapphire and still be good for what it is-- an affordable performance EV.
this interior looks MUCH better than the Ioniq 5 and 6 IMO....
Great review was always guys. You nailed it when you said about these cars are in their infancy Mark. We just leased a 2023 Kona SEL electric. So far, the range is better than we expected. It’s a great car firm point a to point b. We leased it because we know that the technology will be changing rapidly in the 3 years we leased it for.
I saw one at a dealership. It has a $9,995 dealer markup. Seems cool... but it's not THAT cool.
“Contra code” lol
Kia seems to be doing a great job of selling cars that people need with like 80% of the luxury features people want.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings.
Hyundai-Kia doubled sales in only 30 years!
Hyundai-Kia #1 in 5 years?
lol Kia 🤮
@@CKY1942Probably not after the no-immobiliser in 80% of their cars up to 2020 making them stupidly easy to steal. EV6 is a great car, but the mistakes of the past will haunt KIA/Hyundai for a while, just like dieselgate haunts VW.
Looking forward to the Ioniq 5 N reviews! I hear it's a different animal.
This was a very disappointing review. I have owned this car for 16k miles, and your experiences have not even been close to mine in any sense except that we both agree the car is set up on the stiffer side.
Range: I get 250mi on 100% charge. I do not notice "precipitous drop" getting in the car on a cold day. I jave averaged 3.0mi/kwh over the life of the car, including all my hooning around, which the car runs 11.4s and 0-60 is 3.2, not 11.7 and 3.7 or whatever.
The steering is excellent. Rack and pinion. These are 255s up front on a 4800# car though, but I still get decent feedback.
In short, I think you just dislike the brand or car in general, and that's okay, but I am surprised at the number if cars Ive owned, that you've reviewed, where I say "yeah! Thats what I experienced!" and then this one, where no, its not. And as to H/K not talking about engineering? Have you been on their website? They go so in depth on this thing you could have spent 17 minites talking about the 320kw regen braking, 21k rpm motors, dual phase SiC inverter, all that jazz all by itself with the data on that page.
100% correct. His review was fantasy land and NOT what any actual OWNER experiences. Obvious shill for an upcoming model from another brand..
Great point. I don't think Mark and Jack understand what you mentioned at the end of your comment about engineering details of EVs. They don't seem to care(know) the difference between LFP and NCM/NCA.
Would love a chart of miles/kwh (for all cars)
same, I hate that "MPGe" is the standard they've chosen in the US.
@@jasonyoung6420
MPGe is and always has been totally worthless.
Bjorn Nyland has that in all of his range test videos. Find a vehicle segment and look for videos, and he has the comparisons in great detail.
as an old fart I don't want an iPhone that turns in to a brick once the battery's cant hold a charge for long drives after 4 years for a car i get that its made for this new generation that have never shifted gears but the fact that this is what every car company's will be making truly sucks
Please compare this car objectively with cars about the same price. This is half the price of a Tycan before you choose options on the Tycan, less than one quarter the price of the latest Lucid that impress you so much (me included). I really enjoy your take on the latest Lucid. But crashing a car less than a quarter of the price by comparing them, how they were different, you are considered biased and lose some credibility.
Coming from someone driving 200k (USD) cars, you look down on them. Coming from someone driving a 50K car, this is very good. I totally agree this is the beginning of EV products and they will improve by leaping like every year. Yes, I know that when I buy the EV6 GT.
Please tell me you're a bot.
So you buy a piece of shit, just to watch it depreciate into the soil in 5 years? That's just idiotic.
@@JohnFromAccounting I am over sixty years old and will not likely appreciate how the tech improve in 10 years. And it is not a piece of shit. These are really cruel comments. It is really idiotic to use this word when you have no idea the background of the comment.
And to be honest, comparing a 250k to a 60k car, your comment applies to them all, right?
Sixty thousand can get you a great ICE vehicle with great range and driver feedback with much better luxurious accommodations. I think that's what everybody is complaining about with this EV. The fact is EV's aren't going to save the planet at this price nor are they hoping to be widely adapted.
@@timothycc711 Yes, I know that and I agreed with everything you said. My closing choice with similar price ICE will be a M340 and M2. But this is so different.
I very much agree that EVs are not going to save the planet. They have their own environment issues and certainly no cleaner. The only way to minimize the impact of car in general is to charge the EV by solar. This way the damage to our environment will be less. (only less but not disappear altogether). And I am already trying that.
I think Mark much to his credit has identified a certain car buying demographic to appeal to with his shift to EV's for everyman and I suspect it will be the same demographic that will be lining up to have Neuralink installed.
It looks quite nice, I think. I do wish it had knobs/buttons/switches instead of touch controls, but I can’t afford a new car so my opinion is irrelevant to Kia lol.
@Savagegeese love the review but a major flaw. A car starting at 61k MSRP (plus taxes, dealer fees etc) is NOT an affordable car. Especially in the current economy.
These are extremely popular in the Knoxville,TN area. I saw atleast a half dozen of them within about 30 mins of driving around today.
This is what I am afraid about when it comes time to HAVE to own an EV. Something that has zero feel and soul...
Is this Asian-American guy saying Hi-un-die to troll?
why do people keep complaining "range" on a super car? have you seen ANY super cars that has more than 16MPG or can even go far even 200 miles on gas???? This performance car is a great car and a great value who can't afford 120K car with the same performance.
This channel feels like bias Anti-Ev to me. I drive EVs, they are just cars! Not sure what these guys smoking, there is so much feedback, emotion as you speed through with tunnel vision. My hands gets so sweaty because I can FEEL how fast its pulling. If you want to hear things, open the damn window. The point of EVs is to have comfortable quiet ride especially for families.
I've had my gt for about 3 months. Only other "sporty" car I've ever owned was a Golf V R32 and that was a while ago so hard to compare. I upgraded from a 2014 BMW i3 which to be honest was far more fun to drive than you'd think, but battery was down to about 60-70 miles. I have the matte gray paint which sucks to take care of but this is the first car I've owned that people stop to take photos of. I read (not confirmed) that the non-electric seat choice was to get the driver position as low as possible and less to just add sports seats because sports car. It is a confusing car, because it's a good GT but not enough range to go cross country, has sports seats but it's a GT car etc. IMHO it's very controllable and I don't really know what they're talking about re tires, I can tell what the back end is doing, I haven't drifted it yet but seriously looking at tracking it. I honestly could have stretched and got a used Taycan, but even a used base Taycan is +$30k and for my 10 mile commute + weekends not worth it. I actually got mine for $6k under MSRP.
The Taycans have been very troublesome as far as reliability.
"We asked our Kia/Hyundai rep and they have no idea". This sums up my experience bringing my G70 in 4 times for 6 separate issues. God only knows how awful these EVs will be for Hyundai to "maintain".
I have the same feeling about the BMW i4 that I just drove, super fast but zero steering feel, almost no brake feel and just very little driver involvement. BOOOOOOOOOOORING.
"Quick video" = 17 minutes?!
yes, compared to their nnormal videos. Quick is a relative term, not an absolute one, silly goose.
I can't believe it's illegal to operate your cellphone while driving, but it's perfectly fine to scroll through 5 different menus on your touch screen in order to change something in the car. It's baffling
Way off base. These cars are crazy fun and very inexpensive in relation to anything else with the same performance. As a daily driver they are good looking, nimble and safe and when you want to you can load your family in it and eat a 911's lunch. If you are advocating not buying something because next year's model will be better, the same can be said every year. Do you walk to work?
This video seems like a big nothing burger. This channel previously reviewed the EV6 GT line. If the GT is so trivially different from the GT line, why bother reviewing it, especially at this late date? If the purpose of this video was to grouse about perceived shortcomings in the GT - because you wanted to drive it like a hooligan and were disappointed that cars have moved on from being the dinosaurs they were pre-EVs - then congratulations I guess you did that.
Ah yes finally an affordable car (checks price) Never mind...43k +
Can people stop pretending like these cars are worth the money? We all know that other than the battery an EV is significantly cheaper to manufacture not just in materials, but also in manufacturing TIME. If telsa's own claims are true and the profit margin for a model 3 is like 9 grand and they can afford to sell them at sub 35 grand and turn a profit, there is quite literally ZERO reason any of these hunks of disposable non recyclable junk should cost more than 30K. And if it does cost Kia more than Tesla to make one, then they are doing it wrong and should go out of business because such is capitalism.
The EV6 GT shown here starts at just over 61k...yeah...
Do all EV cars have a ugly steering wheel mandate/requirement or something?
This is a Kia hatchback/suv made to be somewhat interesting to drive without frightening your grandmother, not a sports car from the 50s/60s/70s/80s/90s/00s bursting with character and also featuring downsides. No machine is absolutely perfect for every situation. Judge the damn thing on its merits, not just focusing on its flaws.
Thanks to many people willing to beta-test these early EV platforms/vehicles. I"ll pick up an EV in a decade or so. I'm guessing everything should be up to snuff by then.
Right now a PHEV (like the RAV4) would be my first choice.
Nitpick: The tradeoffs are being discussed in a great way! And then "frunk utilization" comes in. Having a frunk, or the size of the frunk, is absolutely a tradeoff of the interior space of an EV. Would you rather have a bigger frunk or more cabin room?
I really don’t get the whining about range. It gets longer range than my camaro and will blow me away at the drag strip. There are always compromises with performance cars.
This 'review' looks more like a rant from old petrolheads against EVs. Show me another electric model that offers more for the price, it's great as quiet daily driver then you can summon the beast inside within a second. When you compare it to Teslas it's way more engaging to drive. You cannot compare this to ICE sports cars who cost twice the price!
Why can't we have both EV & ICE cars? It shouldn't be one or the other. Keep improving the combustion engine and fuels, not just throw it away.
I’m stuck on the battery being replaced if damaged or defected out of warranty costing $60,000.
With all the recalls and defects, the EV6 is anything but good. It’s a KIA. Remember that. No thanks.
I don't know how they think anyone is going to actually buy one of these things. Kia and Hyundai have long been the value brand which gave you the most for either the lowest price, or a competitive price. This is neither. I can buy a model 3 performance right now for $47k, has a 300mi range and does 0-60 in 3.1... why would anyone spend $61k to get 100mi less range, a slower 0-60, and an inferior charging network ? That's not even taking into account the dealerships which are "market adjusting" the prices even higher, and that doesnt happen with Tesla. Sorry Kia, you missed the mark on this one.
Hopefully the second generation will cost less.
When an affordable EV is 60 G's. The styling is not so good. The range is horrendous. The interior is shit. This isn't a good EV period.
It's crazy how inefficient some of these cars are compared to the old BMW i3. My 60 mile commute with a near 50 mph average speed is around 5 Mi/Kwh and my overall average over the last year of ownership (including cold weather driving) has been 3.9. I really hope we see more cars pushing the 4+ efficiency range so no one has to drive around with an entire mine of batteries below them.
The i3 was a rear wheel drive tiny commuter car. This is a performance oriented SUV/crossover.
The i3 was an expensive, tiny car. Of course it can be more efficient.
I don't even get 2mi/kwh in my Wrangler 4xe but it's good for a brick
We just fixed a transmission on a i3 with 90k miles. Transmission cost was $500 wholesale price. The i3 is a perfect city car.
More EVs should focus on aerodynamic efficiency rather than being a tall crossover with a massively inefficient front profile.
Cant say this is enough for me to consider a kia/hyundai. They really ruined their image the last few years.
It's funny to watch this video and then when they get to the stop light and sit there, all the vehicles they passed pass them back. Something I've told people for years, speed means nothing on the street. You literally don't get anywhere with speed on the street 🤣
The South Koreans have been killing it lately. Genesis, Kia, Hyundai, always impressed me in terms of value for performance and comfort. Very excited to see they are among the top of the EV game so far, only behind Tesla in usability and comfort.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings
You're a sucker for style over substance. 😅
I get what you say about feedback but I think you’re going over the top here. All of this is prefaced with ‘assuming the range works for you’ve cause if not, well the best car is a Tesla Model 3 Long range. But if it does then the EV6 GT has few downsides over the regular model, it’s hardly any more expensive, has a nicer interior, I think it handles better and of course has that extra power.
Unlike driving a V8 BMW coupe, or a 911 (both of which I did prior to the KIA) it does the trade off between utility car and sports car much better, remembering that 95% of the time you want utility not sports.
I’m delighted with mine, it’s saving me huge amounts of money compared with daily driving my 997, and that feels more special now I just keep it for weekends. I don’t need or want a car to drift in my daily drive, just something fast and refined, the EV6 does this brilliantly.
(When I want ultimate feedback I’ve got my BAC Mono and Honda NSX)
Sounds like my dudes need to put in some stiffer dampers and bushings, turn off some steering nannies, and maybe trade out that steering column. Ditch some NVH for good measure. I feel like the magic for making a communicative, connective sports car is right on the tip of the tongue for most automakers, they just gotta give up the illusion of luxury
As always, I LOVE the candor of this channel. Mark does Not mince words. Thanks for another honest review from a buyer's/ driver's perspetive.
this interior looks MUCH better than the Ioniq 5
Shame, but I get it. It would be great for my short commute and bouncing around town. Kind of a really nice golfcart!
A $60,000 golf cart.
Basically the passenger dude is crapping all over this vehicle, simply because of its badge.
You said no Hyundai has a dynamic and yet everybody seems to love the Elantra N...but oh well
I really want to watch SG and support them, but it’s hard to watch full length videos on any EV, they just don’t excite me. I’m fortunate enough to travel a bit for work and rent whatever I want, I’ve rented plenty of EVs, after about 20 pulls it’s boring and annoying that you kill the battery. Most are boarder line dangerous with their weight and lack of handling and braking. It’s got a 600 hp motor and 200 hp equivalent brakes.
*cracks knuckles* time to watch Savagegeese downplay another Korean car.
When this car reaches sub 30k its going to be interesting seeing videos of people getting gapped.
It's the Konami code, you heathen.
It looks the part, i was sure it would be fun to drive. The adjustable dampers and the front suspension changes looked promising to me. I'm interested at going EV, but i would like something smaller and less expensive but nice to drive.
Another super expensive throwaway appliance.
Kia diehards exist!!! LMFAO
Long story short this thing is overhyped and falls short for real enthusiasts.
Today, I think, owner of Yugo is more car enthusiast than an owner of Kia
As far as tracking these cars, local to me there are at least two different EV6 gt's that regularly show up for SCCA Track Night in America events. So I guess some people are definitely interested in tracking EVs. Will be interesting to see how much the Ioniq 5N fixes.
I don't care how you feel about it so don't bother responding with something stupid about EVs vs ICE.
I've never seen two car reviewers who just hate cars as much as these two. They've become so cynical to everything that they're just not worth watching anymore.
yea exactly. Every review: "It's not as fun as my 1990 miata!" yea no shit. is there any reason to keep watching these videos?
Something to keep in mind is that the Lexus ES300h has a range of 700 miles. So if quietness, ride comfort, fantastic fuel efficiency, and ultra-reliability are your priorities (and let's not forget long trips without range anxiety), then skip the EVs.
Same with my Maverick - almost 700miles range, cheap, fits 5 and a bed in the back. We'll see about reliability
I don't see any reason to buy an EV6 over a Rav4 Prime with hooker/blow money left over.
So basically my 2022 Camry hybrid with a nicer interior? 😆
@@JasonISF ....and additional technology/status. I don't think your Camry has Heads Up Display as an option.
@@davepaturno4290 it does, it's the top SL model.
Selling me a car that's built on the ideas of the future and then telling me I have to plug in my phone is insane.
Another banger review by the boys, my thoughts exactly on EV "sports cars" they lack the dynamics and character that make them special. I dont do crazy speeds in my camaro its the sounds and feelings that make it worth the money to own a second car.
200 mile range?! Show stopper.
I think Mark can't see the forest because te trees are in the way.
1:13 The "legacy lag" in the UI is strong enough that he pressed "Setup" twice. Legacy lag is a hidden reason many hate touch UIs. While a physical button may be best, a touch UI is workable if it responds immediately to input. When it lags and causes the user to doubt whether their input was captured, both frustration and danger risk is cranked way up. Eyes will need to move to the target again to (re)confirm the target, another press is made, etc. Legacy lag is dangerous.
Would love to hear your take on the Fisker Ocean!!
They are bankrupt!!!😂
This is the first channel that trash talks the EV6.
We can’t take you seriously if you’re going to constantly compare an affordable performance EV to a $200,000 bespoke EV from Silicon Valley.
It doesn’t take 17 minutes to explain why the $200,000 car is better than a $60,000 car. Imagine if they were driving a C6 and constantly talking about how the Audi R8 is so much more refined.
No one is comparing the two products. Its a difference in product philosphy and branding, Kia and Hyundais weakness is they are all over the place and don't focus on dynamics at all. Its a ton of marketing then change, market and change.
@@savagegeeseguess you are typing this with your Blackberry and still believe physical keypad is the must. =)
Where tf is AI Mark? The only person that can give a run down on a Hyundai spec sheet.
His Qflops were better served colating buzz words for future projects.
Not surprised in the least on the criticisms considering you seem to have a vendetta against anything Kia/Hyundai try
G80, G90, Ioniq5, and Elantra N are great products. Even to some extent Telluride and Pallasade. But just ignore that though and manufacture a fake vendetta we have.
I test drove this, and man, I've had a wide smile on my face. I haven't experienced that since test driving the Genesis Coupe, Accord Coupe V6, and TLX Type S.
Me too. It's smooth and just accelerates easily. Went ahead and bought it. Getting 270 miles of range in ECO mode. NO need to crank up the GT in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic.
electric cars are great but they don’t have soul, that’s what is great about classic cars you are a part of the experience, you can feel everything
Great video and good points. I am in charge of the electrification transition at a Tier supplier to the auto industry and I agree that the amount of disruption and engineering advancement that the industry is going to see over the next 10-15 years is huge. When people challenge me about the switch to electric vehicles, the cost, the range, the charging infrastructure, etc. I remind them that we are in very early days of this transition. People had to get fuel from their local hardware store in tin cans when the Model T came out and the roadways were still cart paths for horses. It took us 120 years to get where we are today with ICE technology and infrastructure and I think we need to realize that the speed of this transition is astonishing considering the complexities involved.
Ok final point putting my "car guy" hat on. I am a current Stinger GT owner as my daily and I also have 3 other V8 powered American vehicles in my fleet. I will also miss the involvement and noise of these cars being available, but I was considering replacing my Stinger with an EV6 GT. Even with your review of it being numb and perhaps too isolated, I have two V8 manual sports cars to have that driver involvement. So as a daily driver, I think it is an ok option (manual adjusting non-cooled seats in the EV6 GT though...really?!). My problem is I paid $45,000 CAD for Stinger new in 2020 and now the dealer wants almost $90,000 CAD for an EV6 GT. It is not twice the car and I am not going to save $45,000 in fuel. I would convert my daily drivers to EV's and lease them for the next few years...but the cost just makes no sense. Period.
Your point about EVs being early doors is a good one. A lot of people see the challenges of EV adoption as a roadblock instead of a hurdle. The industry is not doing anything to help that though. I've been waiting for someone (that isn't Tesla) to make a small and attractive electric sedan. Instead, automakers are so focused on big, heavy, long-range SUVs and pickups that just create a whole new set of issues. We're already seeing damage to roadways, collapsing parking structures, high tire wear, longer braking times, and other things like battery disposal and replacement costs for these big, heavy EVs.
If you zoom out though, the solution to cars isn't electric cars. The infrastructure in NA is built to accommodate cars and not people. Even as an enthusiast myself, the obsession with the automobile is not sustainable, and a transition to EVs is just moving the problems around.
200 mile range… I’ve left the chat
Jack listening to Electroswing in a Kia EV? What has the world come to hahah
Hyundai-Kia, their EV technology is quite competitive compared to most companies. Go look up all the data. It's available if you know what they're talking about. For the price they offer this much, it's a steal.
If anyone’s looking for one but can’t justify the outrageous prices some of these dealers ask for I know of one with 4,000 miles in bloomington-normal Illinois for $48,000. Bought my civic type r from them and they’re an honest dealer which is rare nowadays. Maybe look into it if you’re wanting one bad enough. (:
Mark and jack are the dads of my food baby
I sure am glad I bought my 2022 Hyundai Kona N while I had the chance. Ask the man who owns one: The 2L turbo and 8sp wet dual clutch transmission are perfectly matched for driving engagement at any speed. The first thing I did was set the adaptive dampers to their most compliant setting and left 'em there. Next, I swapped out the OEM, 5,000 mi-&-done Pirelli P Zeros for Pirelli P Zero Elect tires, which perform and wear much better.
I think Hyundai will regret only offering this gem for (barely) two model years. Reports that any future Kona N, based on what is essentially the Kia Seltos platform, will most likely be all-electric are not encouraging. Evidently, "Car Christ" Albert Biermann must have seen the handwriting on the wall and decided to get while the getting was good. Sigh.