Kia EV9 GT-Line 1000 km challenge
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A Rivian test would really be something special.
Folks in the US would love to see these pickups tested on the international standard -- 1,000 km Challenge!
It would help answer some questions.
Very interesting result. I have EV9 from 02.01.2024. I live in Finland (capital area). We had the coldest January in the past 8 years. I did 2400 km so far. Yesterday it was -2 c. I was driving from Helsinki to Turku (160 km) with the speed of 110 km/h. It was very windy (7 m/s head and side winds). Average consumption was 29 kWh/100km.
During days when it is +2 or more, I'm getting 23-25 kWh/100km consumption. I drive 70% highway with the speed of 90-100 km/h (my standard commute).
The car I have is EV9 GT-Line 6 seater, matt blue.
When I use navigation to set a charging point (not via POI), battery pre-conditioning kicks in automatically. Highest value was 5.7 kWh for the pre-conditioning.
I'm not sure why my results are so drastically different from yours, Bjorn. There were several software OTA updates during January.
All in all, after 2400 km driven in winter (and January being coldest in 8 years), two long leg trips, my average all-time consumption is 29.7 kWh/100 km. That is a very good result for a 2.7 tons car.
You drove at 106 km/h. I drove way faster.
@@bjornnyland You are right about that, Sir! Thanks for your quick reply. I expect some 30kWh/100 km consumption with speeds of 135 km/h (the max speed limit in Finland is 120km/h during summer). Will see how it will go. My wife has EV6 GT-Line. Last summer, with 3 people and luggage, we were doing 140 km/h for 200 km and got 25 kWh consumption.
Thanks for your great work and videos!
Hello Bond , I am wandering how do you find these big wheels, 21inch , on the snow , going dowhill and so on.
Thanks for your opinion
@@vukojevicobrad6719 Bond...Andrew Bond 🙃
@@vukojevicobrad6719 @vukojevicobrad6719 Hello, Sir. Can't say anything bad. My winter tyres are 285/45 R21 Nokian Hakkapeliitta R5 SUV. Car handles very well. Of course you have to be carefully on pure ice (black ice mainly). Otherwise, absolutely no complaints.
I feel Like I know Norway like no other after watching all of BN videos !
Bjorn could get some state funding for international PR :D
33:54 same for Tesla, if you navigate to Ionity (voice/search) -> no preheating. You have to use the charging station screen and select it there for preheating.
Type 3c discharge 😂 made my day 😂
😂😂😂
Very informative from foodcritic Björn again😎
I like the rant on the in-car navigation and preheating. I hope Google/Apple integrate with cars sooner and we can foget about KIA and other manufacturers writing software. They are not a software company and it SHOWS!
Polestar and Renault - hold my beer....
@@Popdog76going Polestar way to run the car in Android is also good. CarPlay and Android Auto also works, and there are talks for these two systems to have broader access to the car vitals, which will give EV driver's better route planning for example.
Or just get a Tesla and not ever worry about software....
@@wwt17 I just sold Tesla and gotten EV9 instead.
@@bj42paulwhat a downgrade 😢
In North America, this is a “mid-size”SUV, not monstrosity as some other commenter described it. Chevy Tahoe, GMC Yukon, Cadillac Escalade, they are considered the “full size” SUVs.
Minivans, like the Honda Odyssey or Toyota Sienna, are basically the same size as this EV9, maybe even a bit bigger.
@Bjorn Re slipstreaming, at the distance you briefly drove behind the bus (at 10:30) the turbulent airflows and air pressure variations caused by the bus probably caused you to have increased air drag compared to undisturbed airflow (ie. you increased the consumption). You'd be able to leverage drafting at about one car length but that would be very dangerous driving. I don't know about the wind so yO may be wrong. Please correct me if you know otherwise.
I am planning a road trip to the Netherlands from København this May, (2024) and the distance will be about 900 km give or take. I used ABRP to plot my journey, including charging stops but I was worried that the planner would not factor in the lower battery efficiency at higher speeds, so I have been looking for someone to provide real world experience at long distance road trips, with the EV9.
I found this awesome clip! Thanks Bjørn!
The ‘Something’ afoot at the CircleK is DCFCs? Excellent!
Wow that's impressive given the temperatures and the size of the EV9
Your electricity bill must be huge Bjorn. You are even charging tanks now. I recently saw an EV9 here in the Netherlands. It doesn't fit in lots at the parking areas.
In Australia, they're talking about enlarging the parking spots to accommodate monstrosities like these. It's just sad.
@@ad_fletchwhat a waste
@@ad_fletch Same size as a Land Cruiser or Patrol bro. Those cars have been in our parking lots for decades. What BS are you on about?
@@badbasic Dont deny that logic. My point was that we have had popular diesel and petrol cars of exactly this size for decades in Australia. Its complete rubbish that car park sizes are being enlarged because of an equivalent sized EV being released.
@@badbasic so how many kids are you allowed to have then? If you got like 4, you are screwd! People need bigger cars or are they all supposed to take the bus? What kind of logic is that? Sure, the car should still be able to fit in a normal parking spot but apart from that, everything goes size-wise imho.
I like having manual pre-heating option
I like to think my "HI" is better than "AI", at least for now
If i recall on my EV6 you have to select the charger as a charge stop and not simply navigate to.
You shouldn't be navigating to a charger if you want to emulate a normal person. You should be navigating to your *destination* and let the car add charging stops. This can also add a great extra layer into your 1000km challenge videos - what happens if you use the car navigation to ask it to drive to a point 500 km away and back home (all in one navigation session!).
That would be next evolution of the 1000km test. But comparisons to old test would then not be possible. Id love to add the feature that the car in such test would not be charged to 100% or preconditioned.
Hi Bjorn, strange that the EV9 only preconditions when you navigate to a POI. This sounds like the Ioniq 5 OTA update from last spring.
I've just gone out and tested it in my car to be sure - with autumn update it preconditions if you just navigate to a charger via destination lookup. (Once you're within 30 mins ETA, I believe.)
The Ioniq still doesn't have the option to manually force preconditioning, which the EV9 does have. Hopefully it's coming soon, so that I can precondition while using Waze to navigate.
Charge curve reminds me of old good charge curve on etron (though that only went to 150ish, but held that for EVER! This holds near 200 deep into the pack!
I own Ioniq 5 and the pre-heating or pre-conditioning is sketching. The fact you can manually do it on this car is Nice. I may be switdching to one of these because it a bigger car and I need the cargo room (right now I hae a Mitsubishi Outlander plug-in hybrid, and Ioniq 5 since for most times when I need to carry my family around I need at least 6 seats, sometimes 7 would be better but I can live with 6; the cargo room is also low, and often I need to take stuff to post office and on Ioniq 5 I had to make 2 or sometimes more trips a day and that was a huge waste of time. So having hybrid to drive with mostly battery for short range is nice, but if I go anywhere more than 20 miles (maybe 30 miles) I need to use gasoline, and that's fine, but having EV9 would allow me to trade in 2 cars for one... Though I do love that Ioniq 5... I would have prefered EV9 (I like that interior better, but the cargo room was better on Ioniq and I was able to find one nicely speced near me, so that was it). I could have both Ioniq 5 & EV9, but I'm at the point where I may actually need something bigger than even the Outlander or EV9 for work, and I may get a truck for work and ligt off-roading? I was hoping Jeep would release their 4Xe version of the gladiator soon, but that doesn't look like a possibility. Rivian is always nice and Lightning would be too because chepaer, and I would be able to get away with lowest trim with smaller battery. So, yeah. There is also the new ford T3 and the silverado and RAM trucks which could be nice (though I am thinking maybe when T3 coumes out, We may be able to get a work lightning for fairly cheap). TTHough I'd prefer something like a Jeep Gladiator 4Xe (and I know I'll get hate for that, but I like that truck.. Just no PHEV version of it yet... I had PHEV version of Wranger and that powertrain was GREAT and I got a good 25 miles battery only, so I Rarely used gas on that for most daily driving!)
ABC: Always be Chasing buses (drafting) :)
Just watching the charging hassel and the Kia software makes me love my Tesla even more
Thanks for great video about the beast-from-the-east. With great easter eggs, like nine-nine-nine and the best ever massage explanation that you do not get anywhere else !
Cat tapping 🤣 I was hoping for more efficiency, but it is a big vehicle. Not bad all things considered.
I really appreciate Bjorn's work, I love his videos and I think his tests are done with maximum professionalism. I don't think that the EV9 data is not correct. I don't think there will be a significant change in the summer with this measurement method. The method used is perfect for comparing different EVs. But it is not suitable for drawing conclusions about everyday usability. If you draw conclusions from the test, the car is useless. In the meantime, you can read the opinions of countless real owners in everyday use on various forums. If you read them, you'll mostly find letters from happy owners complaining about various early software problems, but all of them find the consumption manageable. So I think what this test shows is that a car of this shape has a drastically higher fuel consumption than most cars with a 130km fuel consumption, but a manageable 110km fuel consumption. Much higher consumption change between 110 and 130 than with other cars. But is the average speed of 130 km the typical speed? I often travel 1000-1500 km but I'd rather have an average speed of 100 than 110 and especially not 130.
Speeds depend on which country, State or Province. Utah, U.S.A. has a max speed of 80 Mph which is basicslly 129 Kph ... and you know people will go even faster.
I am not talking about speed I think even at 130km/h max Your average on a 1000km won't be more than 100 or maximum 110. So for me 100-110 constant speed these is the realistic test. There You can get 28-30kw as You can see in the posts in other forums. It means that on highway You have to stop every 2-3 hours which is acceptable (at least for me) .
😂 same charging speed as the truck as expected but I didn't expect same consumption 😂
"the truck"?
15°C or more diff between Bat min and max is crazy.
Seems like maybe smart policy from Kia to me. Use the preheat to lay a base, and then a few minutes on the charger to really ramp up the temperature. That way you don't overcharge the battery, and you don't cannabalize the range. Could it be deliberate policy?
Preheating in my ev6 only works with charging station as a tourpoint, as destination it will not preheat
I've noticed in the Kia/Hyundai cars a couple of time now that the sat nav is weird when you're going to Ionity. If you search for an Ionity charger and select the result that is written as "Ionity" it will route you there with no pre-heating. If you select "IONITY" (all capital letters) it will pre-heat.
My guess prior to the trip was ETA 10:22.
Spot on if you ask me 🏆😎
Bjørn can you please remind us why Norwegians sometimes put the roof trunk on backwards? It's too hard to find the video you were talking about that. Cheers and Kia Ora from Aotearoa.
I think it was because someone worked out it was more efficient.
ruclips.net/video/Z0P6i1YsgII/видео.html
Better aerodynamics when mounted backwards, it's that simple.
Love the channel! Great if you could include whether the car has a full size spare in your comparisons so you are comparing oranges with oranges
You’re obviously going to have to cut this car some slack on efficiency, based on it’s weight and the test weather. Really interesting run… I guess, most people (myself included) would be happy if it did say a 400-mile journey with only 1, 45-minute charging break.
Even in summer, I think you’d struggle to match Kia WLTP, which’d need over 3m/kW. But it’s catering for a particular market as a 6-7 seater, and looks like it’ll be fine for those that buy it.
Already did.
You'll easily do a 400 mile trip with 2x 15min charging sessions
45 minutes? My diesel car is reay to roll after a 90 secs fill up. And it will do 1200 kms on the highway on a single tank. What is the appeal of EVs again?
@@hugolafhugolaf It's interesting how people always try and compare the road trip scenario when most drivers aren't using their cars that way over 95% of the time. Let's keep it simple. No EV is as quick and easy as an ICE on a road trip, if you're driving still is to power through as quickly as possible. On the other hand, back at home where you are driving most of the time you never have to worry about getting fuel/power at all. Or oil changes, or engine maintenance. And they're fun to drive.That's the appeal -- not the road trip.
@hugolafhugolaf another daily commuter who drives 1000+kms in one run... average person commute 25-50 kms. You do this waaaay cheaper with electric cars. It compensate the "extra" time on a road trip when you need to stop for 15-20 minutes in let's say every 2-300 kms. Not to mention every other benefits that evs have... you are welcome
It's always the same with egmp cars that you have to choose from the poi of chargers. Have the same in my ioniq 5. Also the route planning with Ionity filter is an option.
Another great video and thanks for resting up and not playing the "Twilight Ninja" that can go without sleep. lol. Be well.
I agree with you: it is difficult to pick the right charging point in the navigation to have preconditioning. The Ioniq6 has the same silly peculiarity
Another annoying EV «feature».
Excited for more tests
Top video Bjørn. Best regards Martin
How cumbersome that you have to search for the charging station again after putting it in the navigation to get preconditioning. But Tesla has the same problem with not showing 3rd party chargers in nav search results
How do you compensate with wind with such a tank and consumption?
Thumbs up for the first song!
Trailer test will be really interesting.
I really hope, that this boxy shape will help, and consumption will be not so high in % compare without trailer.
So trailer aerodynamics should be investigated more.
Congratulations.. regards from Athens Greece..
Anyone else thinking it might rapidgate in 30ºC summer ?
Seems like bjorn was overcharging a bit? As I understand also, this car pre-heats car to about 20 C or so. not 25 C.
Also, I could be wrong, but I thinkt hat you can fold downthe driver and massenger seats flat on this car for car camping?
I saw a test with higher temperatures outside but with a little wind. The consumption was practically the same... And the arrival % was always too optimistic. The person also had to slow down the pace to be able to arrive to chargers... It's a paving stone...
The Truck load the same speed like the kia - But the Kia need also the same kwh/100 like the truck 😆
I seem to remember something about the EV9 being capable of bi-directional charging. At launch this doesn’t seem to have been enabled. Do you know if it is bi-directional and if it is when this will be available?
Is that only 230 miles of range
Have they still not sorted the Tesla chargers and EGMP cars yet? I thought you could get 40 odd kw from them
If the car coldgates/hotgates then you should never deduct time
Love this car 😊
How will the power gate affect towing?
39 kw/100 🤯,we disappointed to go over 16/17 around this time of year in a Soul 😂
*kWh
@@bjornnyland elementary mistake 🙈🤣 great video
We need a test on the 2024 Volvo C40 :)
Summer Retest incoming?
so 6 charges for one trip? No ta, I'll stick to my focus diesel, do it without a fuel fill up
EV9 are Master of energy Consumption
My EV6 also sometimes lacks off and do not preheat….dont know why and no answer from KIA.
'Deduct 2 minutes because of my noobness' says the least noob EV driver on the 🌎 😂😂
Hi Björn, I'm waiting so long for the Banana Box Test on EV9! Please👏
How did you miss it? It was out long time ago:
ruclips.net/video/VfPnINrFAfM/видео.html
Tack!
I think it would be interesting to see if the iPedal mode actually gives or takes away range. Since the kia/hyundai cars automatically engages the front motor when using iPedal. Has that been tested somewhere?
Thank you :)
Sure, compared to Model Y this is much bigger. But how about Model X? iX?
this is much bigger than model X for sure.
Imput: Looking to seriously buy one of this. Is the Land trim good enough? or is there anything worth upgrading to GT-Line? (other than looks? I'd asume smaller wheels on Land will be better for efficiency, and I didn't see anything on website that I'd miss... )
Estimating summer range by „butt feeling“ after getting a butt massage could be biased😎
The most interesting in this video was that it couldn’t charge on the Tesla charger. This is the same I see in my EV6 but if I try a few times it will work. I would love if you could find out what’s going on and get them to fix it. Kia claims it’s Teslas fault and Tesla doesn’t say anything. Even when I get it charging it will never give me more than 420 v / 100 amps which is so annoying that I stopped using Tesla v3. Tesla v2 chargers don’t have this issue which makes me think the problem must be on Teslas side because the car can receive much higher amps on a v2 site. I have car scanner too and can see the car requests higher amps but v3 chargers just won’t deliver.
I have that exact problem on my EV9 here in Australia on Tesla V3 chargers. Starts, ramps to 60kw, then fails. Every time. I have raised the issue with Kia, but no resaponse as yet. I understand that on the EV6 it "sometimes" works. On the Ev9, it never works.
@@IXXIBoss OK interesting. In my EV6 I have had it error out several times and then suddenly it works. When it works it will give me a full charge. I asked the dealer here in Denmark, they say it’s Teslas fault but who knows. However as I said above I can charge on v2 chargers with no issue, we have a few of them but most sites are v3. If you have v2 sites you could try them. I hope you enjoy the EV9, I sat in one at the dealer, it was huge and super nice.
Silly (almost) question time and I can't find the answer in your files. DO you cover how to set up Car Scanner in one of your videos or have a guide I have missed to get the same screen you show on this video? I have a licenced version and on my Genesis GV60 I can't see the same screen and am a little bit of a n00b at setting the app up.
OK - found your video ;)
i come here for the banging music
the big spread between batt max and batt min is a kind of strange
It means that the cooling is not done evenly through the whole battery pack.
800v ist a range like 400v cars. My Ioniq 5 starts off empty at something around 5xx and is full at around 800v . The 400v cars haves a smaller delta but still go from 300 zu nearly 500
They should call it 800ish volt architecture. And the advantage is not as big as some people claim.
@@bjornnyland always depends what advantages you look at precisely. For example 200kw charging speed with 250A is better for efficiency and losses then 500A. 800v systems are not saviours but they ARE THE FUTURE no matter how big or little the advantage is. The Koreans have made the investment, Bosch has made the investment, Tesla has made it. All are going to go to the new normal 800v and only the very cheapest cars to distinguishe them will stay at 400v
But you make the same mistake as others who try to hype up the 800 V hype and assume that the voltage on a "800 V car" is double. EV9 at 5 % has 495 V. Model S at 5 % has 350 V. That's only 42 % higher.
So in your comparison, 200 kW on EV9 requires 370 A (not 250) whereas Model S requires 525 A. Very few so called 800 V cars actually has that high voltage. They are usually 600-700 V only. But EV9 is above the average.
@@bjornnyland It's not about hyping it up, it's about the logical next step and that is it.
look at your charging videos,
EV6 at 100% is at 797V
Ioniq 5 at 746V
e-tron GT at 837V
and there are more examples.
The 800V system ist not going to change the world completely BUT it is still a step up and better then all 400V systems when it comes to transporting the power from batter to motor or from charger to battery. That is just physics.
Correct would be to call this "600V architecture"
Not going to lie, it's a bit underwhelming. I appreciate it's a big car, but was expecting better charging numbers compared to the IONIQ 5 / EV6, not worse.
Hyundai and Kia make good EVs ... but they miss out on the details that Tesla solved 10 years ago. I know b/c I've owned a 2020 Kona EV and currently own a top of the line 2022 Ioniq 5.
Currently own an ioniq 38 but definitely not gonna change to another hyundai/kia. I like the ioniq 6 also ev6 but tesla is still better in many ways sadly. At least in the things that I care about. Model 3 will be my next car
Hello. Which app do you use to keep track of everything about the battery and the data from OBD2, as well as which version Android is your phone on which the application is installed. Thanks in advance.
Björn, any update on towing vid with ev9?
Fast forwarding to the end of the video to see results.
Bjørn:
Well played, Bjørn, well played.
Next time I will put the result in the middle of the video.
Hi! I just want to ask, are the electronic/digital side mirrors available here in Norway?
can you please perform a 1000km test with Lucidair (since price decreased to 85k€) and the new Taycan facelift?
As soon as I can get one, yes.
A question Bjørn, but do you ever get fined by the police considering you drive so much and always seem to be speeding?
His speeding is in tolerance. It means max speed + 10-15% you get no fine
@@IstvanDarabos Really? That much? It's max +3km/h in Sweden haha. Or rather they chop off 3 km/h off of the speed they caught you at, so it would have to be 4.
KIA's software is traditionally bad. I had a bug in my Sorento when I said to the voice control "seat warmer on" it set off the alarm system. You had to stop the car and switch everything off to reset it. They fixed it with an update last year. Try the EV9 in the rain the LKA won't activate properly due to rain on the camera lens. Anyway good job well done.
Consumption is insane! Higher than when I tow a 1400kg caravan with my Polestar 2 from 2021. I know cold weather does a lot, and that it's a big car, but this is crazy. 😂
Did you tow trailer at 120+ km/h? That's crazy.
@@bjornnyland 😂😂Well, nah... 90-95km/h. I know it's a difference but the leg where you got around 440wh/km was pretty insane, even for a car that big. I wonder what consumption that one would have with a caravan around 1400-1500kg.
Nice price and spacious but so inelegantly and unsexy. Must triple prioritize space because nothing else available in price range with at least ok techeq.
Hvilken app bruger du til dine målinger?
Nice car but here in the poorest EU country it costs near 100k USD, at that price point there are real premium cars with air suspension, more power than the mere 200hp in this 3 ton vehicle, noise insulation etc.
Kia car ist not bad.
Always blame the car. Simple technology like battery heating should work for ppl without a single problem. 2 minute deduct was OK
At speed 120km/h only one person inside and range is only 285km to the 0% of battery :) it is a Joke . I have seen EV9 test full loaded 4 people inside with luggage at -5'C 120km/h 21'C inside and energy consumption 38kWh/100km :)
What's the name of the song at 1:59?
lmao @ the thumbnail
27:30 Here in America we call them Ottomans
Your but-feeling - before or after a massage😂
First stop with 45% capacity left? Seems unnecessary.
Not enough juice to go to Spekerød.
Bjorn needs some videos for entertainment like a road trip with the family .
ruclips.net/video/Hamp32oQHKo/видео.html
@@bjornnyland :)
@@bjornnyland I’ve been watching your videos since the episode that you & Amm went to Paris in 2014 .
@@bjornnyland memorable : the heart shape photo in front of the Eiffel Tower
I really like this car! If I wait 1 year it will be at least 50% cheaper!
Which is why dealers are stuck with EVs on their lots. No one wants to get hit by such huge depreciation.
@@hugolafhugolaf almost time to buy i think, with solar its a no brainer to get an id3. Cheaper on the lot but much cheaper offers going in I hear.
@@De4dCert Not available in Canada, where it's winter 5 months a year and shitty the rest of the time, where I live anyway. Solar is pointless.
Think adhering to speed limits may be a good idea if you own this car with that kind of consumption. 😂
At least on roadtrips, I have no reason to drive nicely on my basically free solar energy haha. :p
Nice!
It has a massage ? I hope it's Thai massage.
The non-Tesla cars are like a Siemens mobile vs. Nokia in the past. It works. But you need to be an engineer.
It seems Hyundai/Kia isn’t listening.
I’ve said this before, for me the reason not to get an Ioniq 5 was 90% the crappy software.
Holy consumption… and here I am complaining when my car hits 230wh/km
Kia EV 9999! 😂
I can't believe the Kia navigation is still that stupid, what a mess.
180kw charging is not impressive when the car consumes 45 kWh/100km. It's like charging at 60kW and consuming 15 kWh/100km.
What 7-seater car consumes 15kWh/100km?
problem with this is the battery chemistry. it sucks