Check this Out Before You Buy the New Milwaukee M12 Fuel Vacuum !
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2020
- I perform 3 conclusive tests to get to the bottom of the alleged thermal overheating problems with the new Milwaukee M12 Fuel Vacuum Cleaner. (Model # 0960-20)
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Well done, sir. Very few people understand that amp draw is lowest when completely blocked. That is the case with anything that moves air. It makes perfect sense when you think of about it from the standpoint that the more air that's flowing, the more amps it draws. While restricting flow also cuts off airflow to cool the motor at the same time with most vacuums. This little 12v vac won't, nor is it designed to, replace all the tasks a shop vac can do. But, as you show, it can handle a lot of them. Pretty amazing to me that they got it to run at all on those little bullet packs. Really pleased with the run times you got. Most of my vacuuming tasks only last a couple of minutes at a time. Keep up the great work.
I definitely thought it would draw more amps when blocked, I had to adjust my testing when I realized this:)
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I did not originally have an overheating concern until I saw the headline for the video. I'm seriously considering purchasing one of these in the very near future. but now that I actually watch the video I know my six amp batteries will do just fine for the small projects I have in mind for this.
Hi,
I still stay milwaukee just need to have both battery and cord options on their vacuum units. DeWalt did it to their vacuum. It works great!
Great point
I haven't had any issues with my m12 fuel vac yet been using it for almost a day now
I've run the first gen 18 volt vac in job site conditions without issue. That being said, I never ran it very long; just for small jobs, like vacuuming under a kitchen sink cabinet after drilling plumbing holes. When it comes time for bigger jobs, out comes the Ridgid corded shop vac. I believe these compact Milwaukee vacs do a good job for their intended use - small vacuuming jobs where you don't want to drag a full-size vac.
100% agree.
I’ve run my 1st Gen m18 for 10-15min straight dozens of times on vac and blower and never had an issue. I always run a 9 or 12ah in it.
With the OG about a week ago I ran down 2 8a and 2 5a I stuck at two in there for s**** and gigs once and it went into thermal protection after about a minute or two. it was an old battery the oldest one in my possession.
I'm glad I didn't preemptively write a comment cuz you touched on everything. You are dope.
Thanks a lot buddy!
Thank you for taking the time to run some tests. There is always a reason for any problem we come across.
No problem mate, thanks for pointing out this problem! It's fun to trouble shoot these type of things.
This issue is fixable I believe! If it's just static electricity, cover the hose with a wet dryer sheet or spray antistatic spray. It seems to have worked on mine! Thanks so much to the commenters that revealed what it was!
I have had 3 M18 vac stop working so far, and they don't get used that much. All covered under 5 year warranty, but still kinda pain doing warranty exchange. I now keep a back up on the shelf when one breaks down and goes for warranty exchange which take about 3 weeks.
Well that sucks...:). What was the problems with the Vacs?
@@TheFunnyCarpenter They would just stop turning on. I take them to service center and I assume they sent them off to Milwaukee and they have just replaced them with a brand new ones in the box. I have only had the oscillating tool die on me. All the others M18 & M12 have performed very good.
@@mikejones5364 90% of the problems I have had with any Milwaukee tools was the switches or circuit boards one on my impact wrench and one of my impact guns kept killing the switches. The last tool I sent out was my 6”1/2 circular saw which was almost out of warranty and they replaced the rotor housing circuit board and switch and everything I sent out has been working perfectly. It’s definitely sucks to have to wait for a tool especially if you do not have any backup ones, but I did on all the tools I sent out except the impact wrench which I only use to service my one truck. I will say that the 5 year warranty is is great and the E-Service is good to, but you right about the turn around time is around 3 weeks and that could be an issue for people who do not have any backup tools.
Thanks for this! I have both battery systems and I'm torn between which cordless vac to get. This potential issue with some M12 vacs has me leaning towards the M18.
Keep it up dude! I love your vids. They're incredibly informative and helpful.
Thanks buddy. I'd say it depends on your space for packing the vacuum around and how much serious crap your going to use it for.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter Definitely gonna go for the m18. It'll serve my needs better.
I know it’s sucks I wanted the m12 but hearing a lot of the issues on the m12 is a bummer.
Easy battery overheat solution: Build 2 to 4+ battery slots on the vac. Run 2-4 batteries at once. Amp draw reduced, endurance extended. You're welcome Milwaukee.
You know milwaukee would never do that though...
@@stevennihipali3607 yup they want all of your money, greedy bastards.
Damn that is running those batteries real hard
Haven’t watched the video yet, but I’m on my second M12 wet/dry vac. The first unit flashed alternating two and two battery lights after about twenty seconds of running it. I tried multiple batteries with no difference...
After doing some more creative testing, I found that it went in to thermal overload each time I moved the vacuum. - Turn it on, run of two seconds, shake vacuum, and it shut down on overload. At that point, I assumed there was a bad solder joint somewhere on the printed circuit board or another component.
I exchanged the vacuum for a different unit and I haven’t had any issues since... But I’m monitoring closely.
Could you send us an email at socialmedia@milwaukeetool.com with some more information?
Does your unit start out somewhat loud and then quiet down on high? I thought perhaps mine was not able to go full power, but then when I switched to low, it got slightly quieter. So I know there is definitely a difference, but was just curious why it sounds like it loses power after 5 seconds when powered on.
@@darrenrailey8740 My original unit did indeed do that. I've since exchanged it for a model manufactured at a later date, and I've had zero issues.
@@pdillenburg do you by any chance remember when your original one was manufactured, as well as can you tell me the date of your current one too? I just got an M12 packaged with the 6.0 (currently $149) And so far I haven't had any issues, but I've been so used to the non-pack out M18 one that I almost felt like I wanted to return it and just get the M18. Before the M12 I actually bought the packout one because I wanted it for a long time but honestly I returned it the next day because I just for some reason wasn't impressed with it comparing it to my non-packout M18. Now it's got me wondering if one of two things happened, maybe the packout one that I got I had something wrong with it, or my 9.0 batts (the older gray label ones that apparently have issues that I also just learned) May have not been powering it as much as it should have been. But with the same 9.0's it seemed like it really wasn't that much more powerful than my dad's non-packout M18. Also seemed to drain battery quicker which I found weird since the packout is brushless.
Just got a new M12 vacuum. Used it for about 5-10 min vacuuming out a furnace closet of dirt , dust etc. no problems so far. Just used a 2.0 battery. Worked Good. Anyone know how big a battery will fit & the lid still close ?
Thanks for the informative video 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Milwaukee has a fix for the m12 vacuum it works awesome now I haven’t had it long but in a full days work I couldn’t get it to trip. Compared to original units I could generally set them off purposely within 10 seconds sometimes it would last longer it seemed every unit would vary in how effected it was by this flaw. I am kinda waiting to see if the fix is lasting but as of today it’s great. Will update if anything comes up!
What is the fix?
@@TheFunnyCarpenter I'm not positive but the last they told me the motor was shutting down from static built up while using the vacuum it would set off the thermal protection.
@@zack6892 how has it held up?
Ya with it restricted it might be a better test for thermal because it can't get much heat out but ya since there is no air in there it's not really working as hard
Can’t speak to this tool but I know a lot of the other nail guns to have thermal overload protection that kicks in a lot... super frustrating
Which nailers?
Hmmm...is it out of stock at Home Depot? It seems like you can't find it anywhere including online.
If this helps anyone then great. I went through four of these things and finally contacted Milwaukee about the issue. I got ahold of the Product Manager who had the issue assessed. It's actually a static switch. It has nothing to do with overheating. If you contact Milwaukee they should send you a new one as long as you send yours back. Hope this helps.
Thanks for this. Just found this video as I bought one, returned it for this problem, and the replacement is now doing it as well. Figured it must be systemic. I want to make it work as I love the size and the M12 platform
I went through the same thing and honestly I’m not even mad I got a faulty unit. As somebody just starting to transition into Milwaukee stuff after being a die hard Dewalt guy for the last decade I was really impressed by the level of support from them. They made it an easier process to have it replaced under warranty then to just take it back to the store. I’d be comfortable buying anything from them at this point even if it was dead on arrival I’d know that it will be taken care of.
3 different model Milwaukee vacuums would only run for 15 seconds for me.
I just opened them up, bypass the thermal protection sensor and they all run fine. Just use common sense if things feel too hot (but they never do)
Faulty sensors in all 3 cases.
Awesome, thanks.
They need to start releasing the High Output M12 batteries.
indeed!
That would be sick. I only buy the m18 High Outputs now.
I thought that was sorta-kinda what the 6.0 is supposed to be. Same number of cells as any XC battery from the past, but higher watt-hours and output per cell.
@@EricLSthe 6ah is actually weaker than the 4ah! The 6ah has higher mah cells which gives more run time but with more mah you get less amp draw the 4ah allows greater amp draw therefore allowing the tools more power with less voltage sag. So if you are looking for run time say on a flashlight or screwdriver get the 6ah if you are looking for power as with say an impact wrench go for the 4ah
@@jamesfair9751 Awesome info. Thanks man.
Great video thanks
Thanks Dave!
What was the ambient temp in your shop? I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
Oh shoot, I was going to mention that! I heated it up above 20c/70f.
I would imagine that some folks are running it with pretty dirty filters. I know I don't clean my filters as often as I should.
Blocked airflow should be a higher load on my corded shop vacs they run hotter when the filter is clogged since the motor is air cooled. Maybe these have some sort of filter bypass
I personally have this vac and mine would overheat in 15 seconds sometimes off a fully charged 6.0 battery
That's balls! You should take the vac back, or check your battery, or stop using it to vacuum up sawdust off the sun:)
Try prying out the temp contact on the battery. I have the multi tool and one of my chargers pushes that contact in a bit too much. Pry it out a mm or so and it works fine. It only happens on that tool. If you read the reviews for that tool a lot people have the problem. Can’t remember where I read about this fix but it works. Let me know if it works. Worth shot.
Could you send us an email at socialmedia@milwaukeetool.com with some more information?
Milwaukee Tool if you guys get to the bottom of this issue, please let me know. It would be great to make an updated video.
@@MilwaukeeTool I sent you an email with some info. Would be great to figure this out. This video has lots of people talking about their success with fixing their batteries. ruclips.net/video/GOIV7JXxp8w/видео.html
Thanks you were right!
How do I take the 8.012 battery out of the shop vac I can’t get my battery out
I love mine
I've got M18 and M12 stuff, but only corded shop vacs. I think I'm going to spend more $$ and get the m18 fuel vac. More power, quieter, and works with packout seems like it's worth the extra 70 bucks.
Good call, The M18 will give you some more options as to what it can be used for.
Time to release 9amp m12 batteries 😆😆
You can get them aftermarket from Amazon for about $36. I generally avoid third party batteries at all costs, but I had to try this one... They’re not super well protected, physically. But the run time is phenomenal. While they do work with the M12 wet/dry vac, they’re too tall to allow the lid to latch.
I just got one of these and I'm having the same issue with it shutting down after 15 seconds. Tried my xc battery and my 4.0. Would flash one bar. Then I would put my battery in my drill and it would show full bars. Brought it back to the store. Tried another vacuum and this time it would drain my battery down to one bar with it just running for about 4 minutes. I think milwaukee is stressing the m12 batteries way too much. Most of guys have a ton of batteries so we bought the bare tool to use with our stash of batteries. Just to have issues like this pop up. Returned mine. I guess I'm keeping my Dewalt vacuum for a little longer till milwaukee can make a smaller m18 or a better m12 fuel.
Well that sucks, I'm sorry to hear you're having all kinds of trouble with the vac.
Same here. Exact scenario happening to me right outta the box.
Yup same it’s weird though mine works awesome some days others it bugs out and seems completely random different batteries and different work loads. Sucks don’t wanna take it back when it works it’s awesome and can use it for toilets unlike the mini Dewalt but think I might return it.
@@zack6892 I returned mine. Got the Packout vac and it works great
@@shinnick22 thinking about it. Prying out the thermal protection tab on battery seemed to have fixed my problem we will see by the end of the day starting job now. If it happens again probably will do the same though.
Love you funny carpenter 💕
Perhaps those experiencing thermal shutdown after a few seconds are using old batteries. After a few hundred charging cycles, the capacity and power output of most batteries diminish significantly.
Since this vacuum draws high amperage, the effect on older batteries would be more noticeable. I wonder if Milwaukee uses both old and new batteries when they test new tools.
That’s an excellent point Doug. The 6amp battery I used in the test has probably been charged about 20 times, so fairly new.
Nope bought a brand new xc battery today and it happened. Funny thing is the small batteries don’t trip if you look at the metal tabs between the regular and xc batteries they are a little different could that be it? I don’t know but only difference I’ve found. Prying the thermal tab out on the xc batteries seemed to help but still happens randomly. This test is flawed as the only time they seem to overload is when you’re actually sucking stuff up and moving it around. I thought maybe it was a loose solder but it don’t happen with 2ah batteries so I’m stumped.
Nope. I have had two of these do it with several brand new batteries from 1.5 to the 6.0
Vacuums and blowers are hell on batteries. One should only use high amp batteries. Using the little 2 amp is just asking for problems
Truth
Redo the test but instead of sitting on a bench move it around and set it down slide it and open the top shut it. See if that changes your results my vacuum don’t trip if I just sit it on the ground and let it run only when actually using it and it don’t trip at all with the 2ah only with xc batteries from the 3-6ah new and old.
Zack some good ideas here, I need to do some more testing!
@@TheFunnyCarpenter I'd be interested to see if it's a few problematic units or a design flaw. Waiting to hear from milwaukee wondering if they have found the issue.
Interesting I just got mine and it was doing it when I move it around as well.
@@mrbojangles8589 yeah it sucks cause that's generally how it will be used being a cordless vacuum. I noticed you commented about it reading low battery but that is normal if you turn it off and back on immediately it reads the battery with the draw of the vacuum if you wait a bit after shut off it will be accurate.
@@mrbojangles8589 Milwaukee has made a revision to the m12 vacuum that corrects this design flaw. Reach out to customer support and they will swap your defective unit.
Is that better than makita
Awesome
Sooooooooo quiet, but... battery life is still terrible in my opinion with an XC4.0. Great, well thought out design too.
Do you mind if I ask a somewhat unrelated question? Do you (or anyone reading this) have any experience with the original m12 drill? The reason I ask is because I recently got one and no matter how tight I tighten the chuck the bit will not stay tight. Wondering if I’m doing something wrong or is it just a bad one or maybe a common problem, no clue.
I don’t have any experience with that particular drill. When you are tightening the chuck are you clicking it back slightly at the end to lock it in place?
@@TheFunnyCarpenter yes I tried that. Maybe I’m not doing it right, I’ll try it again. I’ve never owned a drill with that type of chuck so it’s weird to me.
I struggled with all my m12 drill chucks for years before someone showed me that trick.
Kermit lol- I never knew drill chucks did this either until I read it in the comments on my drill driver vid.
@@TheFunnyCarpenter pretty embarrassing considering I was frustrated using them daily for 7 years before learning of it lol
Good grief, 10 minutes of use for the price? That's COMPLETELY unacceptable. I'm looking for something small for my RV that will handle pet hair. Was ready to plunk down the cash until I found so many RUclips reviews stating the overheating issues. 😲 Guess the search continues. 🙁
The vacuum is going for $99 in 2024... I think it's a good price for 10 min of portable vacuuming on one battery. You could always carry extra batteries. I'm buying one.
@@johnharrison4592 You make me 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 An idiot and his money. You go!!!
When u restrict air flow, the motor can't work as hard, and pulls less current!
Makes you think what the hell people are sucking up??? 🧐
Better not vacuum up any more toilet logs. If one of those got cooked, it would be NASTY 💩
Lol, no doubt!
battery over heat cause using no name M12 battery
Your theories are way off. The shutdown is caused by batteries that were left in in sub zero temps triggering firmware temp sensors in the M12 vac.
Problem primarily reported in northern states and cooler climates.
This could definitely be part of the problem, thanks for pointing it out!
@@TheFunnyCarpenter according to the M12 Fuel Vac Project Manager this was THE problem. I received my replacement vac yesterday and so far it has endured several sub zero test runs.
I concur with this. I had my first one do it, returned it, and now my second one shut down in just seconds in near freezing temps. Will do some more testing.
@@tomprovenza7857the Milwaukee Project Manager was eager to hear the one he sent was bug free and feels pretty confident they have the problem resolved and newly released models will have a patch. I don't know how they will fix the many that have been released already but its likely a simple firmware patch to the unit. Im not an expert but I would imagine deployment of the software may be an issue.
@@benpalmby1233 I let it sit inside last night and now it operates normally. Clearly related to cold weather. I predict pallet loads of these available at CPO as reconditioned in a couple months as they filter back through Milwaukee from the Hime Depot “return to vendor” process. Home Depot has recently pulled from their website and the other large retailers show no stock now as well. I just need to decide weather to call Milwaukee or return it and wait for them to stock the upgraded units. Love the size of it so I prefer to no go M18
This is on sale now for $120 with a free 6 amp battery.. all the negative review got me comming on here... this gonna be a problem vac, not gonna buy one
What’s funny bout this carpenter?
My take away that this is useless, sorry.
Thanks for checking out the vid Daniel
I meant the vacuum not the vid love the channel man