SALTBURN Spoiler Talk! | Jacob Elordi | Barry Keoghan | Emerald Fennell
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
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All those nutty, buzzy scenes you've heard about in Emerald Fennell's "Saltburn" -- we get into them here in our in-depth spoiler chat. That includes the moments involving bodily fluids and the ending that spells out too much. We're offering this video early to our channel members at the Breakfast Burrito level and up, so if you'd like to watch it now, come join us! Link with details below, or click the JOIN button on the home page or any of our reviews. Feel free to share your thoughts in the comments ⬇️⬇️⬇️
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Emerald Fennell has talked about Cruel Intentions being one of her favorite movies, so in a way Saltburn is kind of like her doing Talented Mr. Ripley by way of Cruel Intentions.
Salt burn felt like a director’s cut of a cologne commercial.
As we were leaving the theater at the end, an older woman was filing out in front of us. I said to my spouse, "I was intrigued by it. Not sure I loved it." The woman turned around at us and said decisively, "It was trash, trash, trash!"
The fact that people think it's trash makes me like it more
@@ChrisOliver4307 Totally! I think this kind of person would think most of the movies I enjoy are trash.
Wonder what they thought they were in for! Something more proper, perhaps, based on the look of it.
“C*m tainted bathwater” took me out 😂 I love you guys so much.
it’s certainly not a perfect film but i was never bored! I think she should be applauded for swinging for the fences and not worrying about how provocative it is.
It does indeed take some big swings!
Saltburn is very much what we need more of: provocative, discussion-worthy films. I'm sick of the Marvel/DC universe, variations of Frozen, run of the mill Halloween clones, and steroid-driven action flicks. Bring on more Emerald Fennell!
Ha, glad you dug it!
Alonso, he truly did wander in from Killing of a Sacred Deer, as evidenced by his wearing antlers during the party sequence.
I saw this through a film festival in October and I’ve been reading a ton of Emerald Fennell interviews over the past month to try and figure out her intentions with it. The English class system is so intricate and a real touchy subject here, Emerald Fennell is the daughter of multi-millionaires and grew up with “grotesque privilege” (her own words) so it’s not like I was expecting any revolutionary class commentary, but the plot twist of Oliver being upper middle class really baffled me lol. I was like, is this some sort of rich sob story about the evil opportunistic middle classes stealing all the mansions?? But then I read an interview where she said “If we all did our job correctly, you are on Oliver’s side,” and that confused me even more. The rich family are obviously terrible, but their worst crimes are being ignorant and prejudiced while Oliver is a compulsive liar and a murderer 😭 I can’t tell if there’s a real message she was trying to send or if she just loves shock value lol
As for the ending, she’s said she doesn’t go for subtlety in her films (evidenced by the over-explanation montage lol) and the original ending was supposed to be Oliver walking through the mansion to breakfast, where he’s served runny eggs by the butler, but Emerald Fennell said that didn’t have the “postcoital triumph” she was looking for.
I really liked the movie but wasn’t on Oliver’s side at all. And I don’t think it was all meant to be about class warfare. I just saw it as an exploration of the lengths some people can go to in order to become rich and powerful.
I’m sure generations ago the ancestors of the Saltburn estate killed, exploited, and did heinous things in order to amass their wealth and power, Oliver is just doing it in the modern world
yeah i've been reading more about it and it just seems like more a look at our fascination with the wealthy and how it drives us mad rather than a takedown of the system itself. she probably had no bad intentions, i just mean in a country where the class system is such a polarising issue, making a movie with class at its centre is difficult, especially since her upbringing was very removed from most of the population@@jackpotsb3
8:50 I saw the film today, and agree with you about overexplaining what we already knew, that Oliver had orchestrated everything from the beginning. Now the bicycle tire was a surprise to me, so she could have left it at that.
I liked the movie alot, the actor who plays Felix is beautiful, everyone did a great acting job, Rosalind Pike was great.
It did not give me the creepy feeling that stayed with me long after watching the Talented Mr. Ripley, but it was well done.
I see a lot of comments about Oliver not actually being from a very poor background thus the movie not being about class.
But IMHO, from the POV of people living in Saltburn during the summer (perhaps a party with 100 people, oh isn't it ending up with 200 always - for a random guy they hardly know) the middle class IS poor people. Just 1 house? Single story? No wings? In some boring suburb? That's barely above destitute. Not homeless, but not proper society.
I agree, Emerald Fennell didn't need to go over how Oliver dispatched everyone, because by then, we all knew he did it. We didn't need to know exactly how. So when those flashbacks happened, I cringed. Early on, I was hoping Oliver would get with Rosamund Pike at some point. I was happy when he eventually did, but I wanted him to live happily ever after with her, not kill her. lol.
We know Barry's character is an unreliable narrator though - probably a compulsive liar - so perhaps the ending is just his imagination/fantasy of what he hopes would happen?
That is a really good theory!
I enjoyed it overall, but some of Fennell's choices didn't work for me either. Keoghan was fantastic. Unless I'm forgetting something, this may be the meatiest role that I've seen him in. (accidental joke!) Actually, I liked the entire cast in this. I thought the naked dance looked cool enough, but I felt it was almost a cop out. It seemed audacious for its own sake. I thought a good cut off point would have been right after he "accidentally" runs into Rosamund Pike years later, where she invites him to visit her at Saltburn, now that the coast is clear without her husband. An extra little shot just to put a bow on that would have been good way to end, imo. I thought the movie was entertaining but didn't have much to say.
Waited until I got home from Saltburn to watch your spoilers. I thought it was incredible. The ending (his naked happy dance) was ironic and weird, BUT I was knew (even though Fennell doesn't show it) his "lonely and all alone" future was coming. I loved all the risks the film took and made us witness.
To me, with Oliver's obvious need to obtain Felix and finally being brought into Felix's world, a comment is made about Eddie...last summer's "friend" brought home by Felix, who was dispatched socially by Felix after the summer exposed something Felix found to be either a betrayal or a bore....Felix seems to bring home stray pets, but becomes bored with them....something that Oliver cannot allow to happen to him,.so he spreads his tentacles out to not only Felix, but the entire family to ensure his place there....dispatching anyone who is a threat to that place, no matter the emotional cost.
I like quite a bit of it, but what keeps it from being an 8 or a 9 for me are the ending and what Alonso said about there not being anything new added to the story. TTMR is one of my favorite films, so I knew what was happening. Saltburn was stylish, well acted, and *those* scenes were bold enough to keep me intrigued. In the end though, it just felt like the same story. I kept waiting for it to take me somewhere else. That never happened.
I’m baffled that Emerald felt we should all be rooting for Oliver. We did not get enough background on him to make it understandable that he would want to destroy this family. They’re annoying, but not enough to want to kill them. We’re just left with him being a psycho. Making him upper middle class is a baffling choice. It makes it harder to believe he’s have this much hatred for a family he didn’t know. The tire scene flashback shows us that he planned this before he ever met any of them, so his hatred wasn’t based on the way they treated him personally.
The one other element that took me out was Oliver ripping out the breathing tube. Unless the scene of Pike signing papers was also her making him in charge of making medical decisions for her, there’s no way people wont know he murdered her. If found that sillier than the naked dancing.
*SPOILER*
I personally thought that the movie should've ended during the pseudo-necrophilia grave scene where Barry Koeghan is humping the freshly dug grave of Jacob Elordi fully naked. The fact that the shot is static and lasts for over two full minutes and the score cuts out at a certain point with only the diegetic sound left was so compelling, weird and grotesque that it would've been such a statement to end the film on. It's also encompassing of all of the aesthetic choices that Fennell makes throughout the film (the confirmation of Keoghan's love for Elordi, the kinky Tumblr fanfic writing conventions, etc) that I felt like I saw enough and she put enough of a stamp on thus type of story that it would stand out enough from the likes of Talented Mr. Ripley.
I also saw someone else make this observation in another review here on RUclips that the ending of Keoghan dancing through the castle is just a blatant rip off of the ending to Beau Travail which it totally is and that movie's ending was much more gratifying than this one
Excellent point, that would have been a perfect place to end it. That moment is so disturbing and the dance afterward feels forced tonally.
@@BreakfastAllDayit wouldn't have been, because the film is not about Oliver's love or obsession with Felix: Emerald has stated that she wanted to do a film about desire - for a person, for a concept - and all the phases and expressions it can have in a human being, and Oliver's desire ultimately was not fixated on Felix, it was about Saltburn and the concept of privilege itself. I agree with both of you when it comes to the explaining of everything: the tire would have been enough; but I think one of her intentions was for the viewer to question (in the first part of the film) whether Oliver is really a Ripley type or if she's playing with our expectations.
I also want to point out that she does bring something new to the table; she openly embraces the influences of Ripley, Brideshead and others (we are all influenced by our experiences and the films we have seen and she wanted to bring that feeling into it), but one of her biggest inspirations is Greek mythology, and the metaphor is hidden in plain sight: the A Midsummer's Night Dream theme is there for a reason, and that reason is the Myth of the Minotaur. it relates to both the party and the garden and it was an inspiration for Shakespeare himself whilst writing the play.
there's a great article on it. I'll try to link it here.
when I finished the film I wasn't quite sure if I had liked it or not, but as time went by and I saw interviews with her (and read that article), I found myself liking it more and more as time went by. I'm curious about how I'll feel once I actually rewatch it.
hope you read this... 🙂
IMHO his statement about the family being on top with no predators - except one - was key.
He is a predator that has his victory dance. It doesn't matter that his life after that is perhaps empty and without real friends, let alone love.
This cat has played with the mice before killing them. That's all.
There's a new top vampire in the castle.
The ending makes me question whether the director even sees Barry Keoghan as “the bad guy”.
I also found the narration choices in hindsight really frustrating once we found out who the actual audience was (not us) for his narration.
That's a really good point re: the narration. She makes us think that maybe he's talking to a detective investigating the deaths, or a therapist. So in the end, the narration is for us as the audience but also for him to wallow in his misdeeds ...?
Is this a gay film, or just a tease? Ending was rushed, poorly edited, and raised more questions as to how bad the coroners are in that part of town. The naked dance at the end was a flat out turn-off. Just trying to go for shock value here, and Keoghan deserved a better script..
Critics always love ambiguity, like it's a good unto itself. For me, I want to have my hand held and to be shown what he planned
I really loved the immediate aftermath of Jacob Elordi's character dying. I think that's where Richard E. Grant really gets to shine. I love the awkward lunch scene where nobody wants to talk about it and everything outside is going wrong. That morbidity and sadness, but also the schadenfreude of seeing these rich assholes be subjected to something so horrible when they're so out of touch, AND the awkwardness of Barry Keoghan still being with them when we know he might have killed him; all of that is probably my favorite part of the film tonally. And then the bathtub scene with Venetia and the aftermath is also great. When he does leave Saltburn until the end, it just goes totally off the rails and I definitely wish Fennell had found a way to keep that awkward tone going. Like now hes become Poor Dear Pamela and whenever someone tries to get him to leave, something terrible befalls them as well, etc. until he's the only one left? That's what I would have wanted.
All excellent observations! That bathtub scene was indeed great. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Absolutely agree. The movie should had ended the moment he finally leaves and maybe hint that he wouldn't let go until he got the estate.
I totally agree with you about the ending. It was apparent he had orchestrated all of it (the flattened bicycle was the only surprise), so we didn't need that montage. But it left me scratching my head about his motives. Emerald said the story was about love and obsession, but it just seemed like he was a sociopath who enjoyed killing people in intricate plots.
Felt similarly in terms of the ending. With the bad guy winning, I almost feel like she is not saying anything at all and is simply exercising her screenwriting skills in this sub-genre? I still think it is a very enjoyable film especially in the theater with an audience, but as I think about it more and more I struggle with what its lasting imprint it should have on a viewer lol.
That’s a good question: What is she trying to say ultimately? Thanks for watching!
I loved it!!!!! One of this year’s best
Entertaining, enjoyable, funny, witty, what more can one ask for in a good movie review. Thank you Christy and Alonso, hope you both have a very nice week.
I thought that the dance at the end represented that he had become Felix, as he thought that was something Felix would have done....
That is an interesting interpretation!
The story itself did nothing for me emotionally with the exception of that grave fucking scene. That scene haunts me and will be the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think of Saltburn.
That was ... unexpected. Once you realize what he about to do, it's like: Oh wow!
Nice Alonso brought up "Something for Everyone" (1970) in BAD's original review- I think it's a much better take on a similar theme. Regarding the current film's "shocking" elements, I thought they were kind of dumb, with the film having no problem with the main straight sex scene being graphic, but still being very skittish (bath water aside) regarding explicitly depicting any gay themes or sex, adopting a lets-keep-it-vague ala 1959's "Suddenly Last Summer" approach.
Wow savage review. I enjoyed the ending, including the deaths montage. Maybe the naked dance went on 15 seconds too long, but not a biggie (unlike something else ;) ). Best film I’ve seen in many months.
Yeah, I'm fairly similar in that, I could have ended at the Café with Rosamund Pike and reached the same conclusion.
The bathtub scene did make me squirm though but I do wish that it was in service of More of a film.
Great performances abound though and I particularly liked Richardy Grant.
He's actually kind of heartbreaking in that dinner table scene.
@BreakfastAllDay yeah, that scene sort of sums up his character really well. Just a crushing inability to deal with anything real because of his profound disconnection from the world and his own self.
Barry Keoghan has been acting for 13 years, so far, and he’s played as many good guys as bad, and played them just as well as the bad guys. Kind of annoying to hear his whole career get summed up with “he played that kid in The Killing of a Sacred Deer…” (he also played that nice kid in Dunkirk who died, and the sweet village idiot in Banshees of Inisherin that earned him an Oscar nomination but “obviously he’s the bad guy.” What I loved about his performance is that he made me care about Oliver, so that when the extent of his horrible nature is revealed, it broke my heart. I wanted him to be better than the Cattons.
For those who think the Cattons were so nice: Elspeth, upon first meeting Oliver, gets right up into his face and says “What beautiful eyes! How wonderful! Oliver, since I was a little girl I have always had a horror of ugliness”. Translation: your eyes are the only attractive thing about you, and I think you should know that.
Fifteen years later, Oliver leans right down into Elspeth’s face and blows cigarette smoke right into it & later yanks out her breathing tube. He’s had 15 years to stew over being called ugly (in the most pleasant manner possible) before a room full of people. The Cattons were not that nice. Throughout the entire film there is game-playing initiated by members of the Catton family, as much as by Oliver. Just because it’s dressed up in good manners doesn’t make it nice, ie. (Martin Scorsese said about his adaptation of The Age of Innocence that it was one of the most violent films he’d ever made).
I wouldn't mind the flashbacks if his deviousness wasn't obvious throughout the second half of the film. The script is definitely not as clever as Talented Mr. Ripley's, and the lead character is nowhere near as clever as Ripley himself. Also, a less creepy lead actor (maybe Tom Holland?) would've been a smarter casting choice. That being said, I still loved the film. 8/10.
As a huge fan of Promising Young Woman, I agree with everything you guys said. It felt a lot like Teorema/Talented Mr Ripley to the point where I was bottered that it didn't really add more to the table than style, but it was really fun! Also, I agree, the ending could have been more ambiguous
i find it so....infuriating......
he killed the entire family..
got away with it..& then he
lived in the house......NO
police investigation..wtf..!??
& NOT to mention, why did
the dad , payed oliver to leave
the Palace!?? i don't understand that scene.....
overall very weird & odd film.....
Highly disagree on the ending, I appreciated seeing exactly how he planned it every step of the way. I don’t question that every move he made was manipulating things that way, instead I know he fully won. I feel if it was more ambiguous, the ending would’ve just been strange instead of hard-hitting. It would make more people go watch “spoiler reviews” for sure though 🙂
Glad you did a spoiler review. There’s a lot to be discussed. The ending didn’t bother me like it did you two. Also, I think he killed Duncan. No way he would just fire him.
I thought the ending was the most perfect and pompous way this could have only ended. This guy is not concerned about the dead bodies in the backyard. He's rejoicing in the success of his diabolical plan. Take all of the flash back scenes out of revealing the truth and still end with the THAT scene-the move would have been 10 times better. I still have fun with it though.
Saw. Am still not quite sure about what to think. On the one hand, it's a very skillful mash-up of "The Talented Mr. Ripley" and "Brideshead Revisited" as rethought by, say, Agnes Varda's English elocution teacher in middle school. Mr. Keoghan is fearless, Mr. Elordi is lustrous, Ms. Pike, who needs to do Blanche DuBois on stage sooner than later, steals it. On the other hand, it is a remarkably unexamined screenplay, style over substance, and the movie should/could have ended with the final reveal of whom Oliver is speaking to -- the subsequent spell-it-all-out flashbacks and now-infamous final tracking shot are simply excessive for excessive's own sake. At the same time, just try to look away. Admired the craft, was ambivalent about the whole. Thanks, as always, Christy and Alonso.
This gave me “Talented Mr Ripley” vibes…. (I guessed the plot as soon as he became a “vampire” towards the girl)…And the ending was really silly and empty. (Kuddos for the nice long single shot) cute and fun to see him dancing naked tho. Unnecessary maybe but cute. Anyway. They were kookoo too in the family so maybe their crazy ending is “logical” dunno 😂😅
Well there is some stuff left up to interpretation and i wish it was all clear. How far ahead did he plan it? Did he target the family and intentionally went to felix's school? The film just makes it seem like he picked a random rich dude but that doesn't match his character with how methodical he was. Unless it really was love at first sight. Despite his protests, he loves felix. But also hates the rich.
I thought those "bodily fluid" scenes were well placed and agree it was bold. The scene at the grave felt very forced. We already know his inclinations. It just felt like a "Seriously? That's a bit farfetched" kind of moment.
I loved the ending! The way I saw it was Oliver being the overtheatrical villain that he is. He just didn’t cared at that point… he won. But I would have cut out around a minute of him killing her, not his speech.
Instead of showing the complete sequence of him killing her, I would have shown those months of marriage.
I’m glad that they stopped there this was the original Greek inspired villain and that this point of the story he won 🥇 the plot.
This isn’t a psychological thriller breaking down his human condition we just got a good modern short story of the villain narrative from their point of view in film.
I found Saltburn amusing.
This film is a bit of a mess. No doubt, the film is well-shot and textural, competent at world building. However, the plot points are a bit sloppy: a character reaching their goal feels rather unearned -- it would require astronomical stupidity everywhere and a large amount of deus ex machina for it to happen. Not to mention, the characters are rather generic. We have seen these eccentric trust fund people before.
You do know you already spoiled it. I think it was Ben Mank outside the cinema compared it to a Tom Ripley story. Once you hear that you know what kind of movie this is and with the casting of Keoghan we also know who the Ripley character is.
I gotta say, I love the acting, the set design, and the way this movie was shot, but what is it trying to say? It's not a love story. We have no backstory on the main character. It's not really a commentary on class, even though those dynamics do heavily come into play during the movie. We basically have no motive for the main character other than "oh, he's a psychopath." Ok... but what else? If we'd had a motive for Oli doing what he did, I'd feel better about things, but the writing is so vague that it forces the viewer to craft reasons the movie is good or try to make it make sense for themselves. It feels like the second draft of a script that should have had a third and maybe a fourth draft, imho.
It was an entertaining enough watch, and some of the scenes were strange and made me happy I was watching it alone. But in the end, it was just huge amounts of style with pretty good performances. Like Alonso said in the review, the story was just too predictable. It started showing its hand too early, giving the impression that it was going to give us an unexpected twist in the end (instead of the obvious twist), but then it just didn't.
I just watched this. The movie lost me as soon as Barry started making imperatives to family members and they would fall under his mind control
The film should have ended in the cafe when she bumps into him and invites him back to Saltburn with him looking after her.
Why does it need to be ended neatly and wrapped up.. er.. neatly?! The ending was a glorious bit of chaos. We imagine what happens to our hero. It's not real, it's fantasy, that's the level i liked it as!
Really enjoying seeing these spoiler reviews early. ❤️❤️❤️
We're so happy you're here, John! Have you seen Saltburn yet?
@@BreakfastAllDay I have not…It starts screening in my market next week.
Perhaps you didn’t hear Emerald Fennell’s comment. She said that it was a comedy. That explains the ending.
I don't have an issue with things not being ambiguous. In fact TOO many movies try to do that shit and it is very annoying and cheap.
She wrote a movie and made it very clear how her main character got to that point.
If people don't like it that's fine but don't hate because it isn't as ambiguous as you need it to be.
thought this was great. As someone who didnt actually like PYW: it just had a hamminess from the carey mulligan performance and that ending... Yeeshhh ; this was for me one of the more captivating movies i've seen in the cinema all year. It's beautifully shot, the bentness of it (I did not like BOTTOMS; with its OTT archness and humour that didnt work for me) - this was sort of perverse and I liked pretty much all of it. Also didnt mind the reveal at the end with the bike as it really shows how Oliver orchestrated the whole thing from the start. I think the scene with the parents won't go far enough to show how just mentally disturbed he is - the normalcy of his upbringing and his insanity is something else. Bathtub scene got a reaction out of the cinema. Nothing quite like it.
Would have been cool to end the movie in the pastry shop, years later. Rosamund confesses her sadness and he tells her he's sad too but we can see he isn't. We now know he owns her. Cut to black, roll credits. Leave all the silly gothic madness for the deleted scenes tab on the DVD.
I think that Emerald does indeed trust us, not only to notice the many details in the set dressing that adds just SO much depth to the true personality of our characters but also to totally understand that his exuberant "ending" will indeed be very short lived!! Clearly Emerald enjoyed spelling it out for us, I think a bit like a gleeful "I told you so", but how he "ends up" after his dance, she doesn't need to spell that out because it's obvious ... clearly he's gonna soon need more people to manipulate!!! I also took the dance as a metaphor for what Oliver had in fact been doing the entire film!!!
Christy, you probably know this by now, but the end scene with Rosamund Pike in the bed is not in an hospital room but in Saltburn. He obviously brought/kept her home to be cared for.
Enjoy is not the word. I squirmed, laughed, and was oddly entranced. As I walked out of the theatre, I was baffled and felt very uncomfortable.
That is probably all exactly her intention 😄
You feel bad for the rich people cause all they did was be nice to oliver and welcome him into their home.
Saw this today; definitely think it's a leg up over PYW even though i prefer that movie more. I did squirm a little bit throughout the movie!
Hard not to! Thanks Jane.
For a second I thought it was going to be a party film 😂😂
I was bored. The film doesn't have a strong narrative thread. It feels like Fennell started typing one day with no real plan, and never quite got hold of a story arc. Promising Young Woman wasn't perfect, but at least it had a driving force. This one meanders and relies on pretentious dialogue. And why so darkly lit? You have this great mansion that is a character in the movie, but you almost can't see it. I don't expect Emerald to have staying power. Seems like she only had one movie in her.
I think the plot or the 'narrative arc' is almost always the least interesting thing in any good film. And it's definitely true here. I thought, the characters, the symbolism, the dark and twisted imagery and the sartorial impact of Saltburn was much more important than the plot.
In this case there was no story, so of course it's the least interesting aspect. But a story arc is necessary. The car needs to run. This one doesn't. @@mikemunro5904
The studio ordered the final scenes of explanation so they had to add them
I just saw it today; and totally agree with your review! I loved how bold and funny and interesting this film was and then we were talked down to at the end with that “how I did it” montage. And although that wild naked dance was fun, I agree that it wasn’t enough.
Right? It's pretty great for a while. Thanks Tricia!
Barry keegan acting is great in the movie. I knew he was playing the family. Once you've found out he lied about his dad and mom
You can feel that coming in the car ride over: He’s panicking because he’s about to be exposed.
in an interview i watched with fennell she said the movie was about obsession but too many people are focusing on the class & wealth thing ~ i find the interviews are very enlightening & interesting ~
Thanks for sharing that.
Christy didn't mention how Murder on the Dancefloor song at the end of the movie was on the nose. I guess she only does that for movies she doesn't like.
Actually was unfamiliar with that song! It wasn't a big hit here in the U.S. Appreciate you watching our spoiler chat.
When I was watching it. I knew there was a movie that I saw before that had some similar ingredients ., it reminded me of.(The Talented Mr. Ripley)1999... SALTBURN is a
Brilliant movie .... I I enjoyed 💯 percent...
For sure! Lots of Ripley here, but in an even more twisted way. Thanks for watching our spoiler talk.
🙏🥂🔥🔥🔥
As Ive said before i can't stand how Lemeire goes out of her way to use terrible grammar. Can't she say prestigious people instead of "prestigi"? That's not even a real word! In the Napolen review she says "draggy" in regard to the battles instead of dragging. She never used to talk that way in the early 2000s. We need older serious reviewers/commentators who don't cater to the "kids". As for this movie. I guess Carey Mulligan has been trying to get the bad taste of, She Said, out of people's mouths and maybe Promising Young Women doing stuff like this where she seems more likebale and an interesting sounding character in that Saltburn flick. I hate seeing her play insufferable, angry parts. I'm not totally thrilled to see this film because Im not fascinated by Bernstein. I'm aware of who he was and respect the talent though. I did love A Star Is Born and Cooper seems to have a very old fashioned appreciation of fillmmaking. Specifically the seventies, with the Cinematography, music, heavy dialogue, editing, etc. But most movies that go straight to Netflix, ughhh!!!
Barry was evil. Lol.
Best way to describe this movie is The Talented Mr Ripley on acid. But I liked it. The ending ….didn’t like the montages his stages of deceit because I know that so the director didn’t need to explain it. She should trust her audience. Barry K was perfect for this role. Channels his character from the Killing of the Sacred Deer.
I agree with both opinions a little here… I just came back from it and while it’s still fresh in my mind I feel like yeah it wasn’t bonkers and crazy enough for me to be like YEAH CINIFILES YEAH GO SEE IT ITS MESSED UP and it wasn’t grounded enough for me to be like “yeah guys go see it it’s very dramatic and grounded and simple..” idk. It’s like If call me be your name and neon demon and Sofia Coppolas “somewhere” 2010 had a baby. Now when I say that a lot of u will prob go “that sounds awesome” but nah it’s like jarring when it happens cause there ARE scenes in here where I’m like “ok yeah that’s never gonna leave my mind for a while “ but I’m like either go big or go home u know? It’s kind of similar to “Babylon” 2022 imo where like yeah there’s lots of craziness and bonkers and lots of stuff we have seen before (funny Margot Robbie helped produce this film) but ultimately I’m like “yeah… and your point is?”
I felt the ending made it Barry Keogan's Joker origin story and a nod to Joaquin Phoenix's version.
edit: lol, Alonzo just called it his Joker dance :)
Loved it
Just a quick note about the death of Rosamund Pike's character and lack of forensics - I think the implication is that being ingratiated with Saltburn gives a level of comfort that you're powerful than the police. The way Felix's death was handled, and of course the cops getting "lost in the maze" sort of made clear, to me, that the class satire was the larger point of the 3rd act, rather than the clunky exposition dump.
I did find it funny he had to wait for Covid to continue his plan. Ultimately, I do think the ending was clunky and should have been 10 minutes tighter.
Someone made a great point in their review that Emerald Fennell upper middle class background may have played a factor to why her social class commentary wasn’t as convincing, fleshed and nuanced as it should’ve been and I actually agree I think it would’ve worked if she talked about the politics of being between new money VS old money within upper class culture/communities since Barry’s character is exposed to be middle class cosplaying as lower class/working class
I saw it.
This was one of the worst films I’ve seen
Oh no, how come? Happy New Year!
@@BreakfastAllDay I thought Emerald Fennell went overboard on trying so hard to be edgy. But instead, it was disgusting and annoying.
For the drinking the bath water scene, I was squirming beyond belief but not SO much about the act itself, more so because I was terrified Felix was going to catch him in the act. It made me so anxious I almost just fast forwarded to put me out of my misery!! I honestly loved it, I didn’t really think about the whole “Talented Mr. Ripley” thing while watching, so I get that argument for sure, but I was just having so much fun on the ride. I kinda loved the ending as well!
Yes, he could walk in at any moment! And maybe that's part of the rush for him. Thanks for your insights.
I loved this movie and I didn’t mind the hand holding at the end although unnecessary
Even though the ending is the bad guy winning, it also feels like an attempt to exclaim this is all just been a lot of dick waving. Alonso points out about what does this guy *do* now--his whole thing has been being magnetized towards these rich figures, now he IS them, so I kind of assumed the cycle would repeat...he turns into Richard E Grant eventually, and there are creeps and parasites in the wings ready to usurp him
That's a really good point -- literal and metaphorical dick waving! Thanks for your thoughts.
I agree with you guys. I liked so much about this movie but I agree the ending just didn’t really work for me. The first half is great but the second half just gets messy and silly and the ending just felt empty. It could’ve been better but I think it’s still worth seeing
The original plan was to get close to Felix. Once the family starts spilling each other secrets and then when Felix finds out Olivers, the tone changed.
This movie is absolutely crazy I can't believe it I didn't know masturbation can be a plot device but it is the way he constructs the downfall this whole family is entertaining in laughable in a good way the ending dance number he does it's perfect
Ha, glad you enjoyed it!
Loads of punchdrunk too
Plain soleil
Personally what I took from the film was - Given the directors background and how the Catan's are portrayed, I really think she was trying to comment on how many middle class people (especially here in the UK) are ever striving to be of the Upper Class status. Honestly, the Catan family and mostly Felix were actually nice people? Many can say they are horrible because they are ignorant and rich but in reality, Felix was a very nice person who's upbringing has molded him into a specific type but he was good to Oliver through out the whole film. Oliver was embarrassed by his own family, his own upbringings and felt that he deserves more because he is just as capable as Felix (i.e being at Oxford) and of course this has been exaggerated with shock factor. I think Emerald is basically trying to say that the super rich and upper class are not as villainous as the general populous believes (despite their clear out of touch ignorance) and in that same breath, what people think of the director herself, providing her background and now huge success. Despite the shocking and sexual aspects, straight after the film I felt I had just seen a very personal message under the visage of a basic narrative. Maybe I'm really stretching here but its what I got from it.
That is a really interesting perspective. They're not bad people, but they are shallow and untrustworthy, and they view lower-class people like Oliver as disposable. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts!
@@BreakfastAllDay thank you! I mean initially Oliver claims he is Lower Class but in reality he's very well off. I think this is what the director is trying to focus in on. Poor Vs Rich is a subject as old as time but in this case it's Rich Vs Very Rich.. not something you see often and for me only a subject that someone who has seen it unfold directly could want to bring up as it's very easy to see that type of open conversation would be lambasted. Any conversation involving wealth, class, status not involving "the poor" will instantly be deemed as ignorant by the general public.
The audience I saw it with giggled at the really bizarre parts. Definitely could have been 15 minutes shorter . Score and cinematography phenomenal, as well as the performances. This will have ppl talking, and it won’t be for everyone
Definitely not for everyone! Did you giggle or squirm?
@@BreakfastAllDay yes and yes. May have rolled my eyes at the gravesite scene . Still digesting . Just saw an hour ago
Spoiler Review! Love these. Many thanks!
Glad you like them! What did you think of the movie?
@@BreakfastAllDay Oh no. Confession time. I did not see this movie and I don't think I will because there is a little bit too much spicy content in it for my tastes. I am a big movie buff though and I know Emerald Fennell is a major new talent and I wanted to know why people are attracted to her work.This is new for me. Over the last two years I have started to go see some films in the Theater that I watched the Spoiler Review for already. One thing that has really changed movie going for me is my Regal Pass. I pay the same to see two movies a month or six movies so what makes me take the time to see a film is changing. Right now I am seeing about 4 movies a month with my Regal Pass.
I finally watched Saltburn yesterday, talk about dissapointment!! It lacked any buy-in into the characters like in Plein Soleil or Ripley and any drama or twists like Parasite or even Gosford Park in my opinion. All style over substance. And if anybody was getting any ideas, Yes they DO do post-mortem in the UK for gods sake! C'mon our generation needs to do better!
Couldn't agree with you kids more. A little more ambiguity at the end would have made for a better movie.
Neither of you age either. You both are just as good looking as anyone in this film
I loved it but I also agreed with like EVERYTHING you said. It reminded me of Joker in terms of how it had to hold your hand. It felt like return of the king with all of the takeout endings. I wish it ended a lot more ambiguously. I wish she’d recut it