The Substance LIVE Spoiler Chat! | Demi Moore | Margaret Qualley | Coralie Fargeat
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- So much insane stuff occurs in THE SUBSTANCE that we knew we had to do a separate spoiler talk. Join us here at Noon PDT on Tuesday, Oct. 1. We'll get into everything that happens in Coralie Fargeat's totally gonzo body horror movie, including Demi Moore and Margaret Qualley's incredible performances. Make sure you hit the Notify Me button so you don't miss a thing. We look forward to seeing you and hearing your thoughts!
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Was very much attached to the addiction storyline. How when you’re high you’re not yourself, but you experience this high (that you can’t hold onto or often times remember) and yet when you come down you’re upset with your further damaged body, and then you cope by getting high again. I think Liz kept going back because she was experiencing Sue (even though she can’t control her) as one experiences a high.
That is an excellent analogy, thank you.
Elisabeth can't control herself when she's Elisabeth. Why should you expert her to have self-control as Sue?
Totally agree with the addiction analogy, but she definitely has just as much control of her body as Sue as she does as Elisabeth.
I couldn’t stop laughing for five minutes straight once the credits started to roll (Not hyperbole, it happened)
It was so artistically ridiculous, how could you not love it?!!
Thank you for the in-depth review
Totally! Thanks for being here.
Two other small details I really appreciated was that after the second yolk forms in the beginning, the first yolk is shown slightly imperfect, damaged. Also, the name Sue is an anagram for “use.”
This film wasn't really on my radar but I saw some chatter about it, was intrigued and saw it opening weekend knowing very little about it other than "it's wild." I LOVED this movie and it kinda left me speechless, I drove home in silence wondering what I had just seen. The satire was probably my favorite aspect and I couldn't help but think of the satire and visuals in American Psycho...the dreamy, intentionally vague stuff, the "so extreme it's hilarious" parts, ridiculous conversations, and the kind of "sterile" modernist settings. I laughed during end like I did when Christian Bale was running around naked with a chainsaw chasing the hooker covered in blood. Even the "Remember you are one" sticks around kinda like "I have to return some video tapes," both refer to the crazy.
I believe it’s just one consciousness. Demi recognized the biker guy, Margaret slept with despite the fact she never saw him while she was in her body. I think the point is that she can never stop being herself. She is Elisabeth Sparkle; Sue is just a facade with no real personality beyond Elisabeth’s own vanity. She still has to live with herself and that’s what brings her down whenever she stops being Sue. Not to get philosophical but I think having two bodies would create the illusion of a split personality.
Yep. Never doubted it was one consciousness. I thought it was pretty clear.
Right. When Sue says "I can't go back into her" She is using "her" to distance herself. She hates herself, she doesn't want to be in her old body
The Substance will do well in the 2025 Independent Spirit Awards.
Elizabeth was the arc to present us her reality.
Sue was herself under "the substance" effect. This arc was to show all what she could do as that persona even if she wasn't herself proper. And the self sabotage of both counterparts.
The monster is a mix of self-h8, and the hunger for fame despite the self-h8tred as a merge and consequence of both prior acts.
The ending was cathartic for me. She finally exploted and then imploted due to that self-h8, hunger for fame, sadness for not having it all and pain from those social expectations weighing on herself, regret of what she had done to herself, sadness because in a way she thinks she deserves it. It just explodes, literally and figuratively onto those expectators/society that pushed her to that extreme. I agree that sometimes the message is hammered but it can't be subtle sometimes because if she isn't blunt some people would just take it and enjoy it for the 🍑s, 🩸and spectacle and not the message.
They should get the makeup oscar for sure!
The snow in the film made me think that we are going to see the Winter of her career and her life.
Totally, a very effective metaphor.
Homemade Demi Moore masks for Halloween!
YES.
Just randomly found you two and I love your reviews. You both seem like really lovely people and you give great analysis. Keep it up ❤ Sam from Canada
So sweet, Sam, thank you! We’re glad you’re here.
Another great review from this channel!!
Side note: am I the only one who has a crush on Christy?? 😅👀
What does it say about me that I laughed my head off during the final 20 minutes of the movie? I was maybe one of 5% of the people in the cinema that laughed. Am I a psychopath? 🤓
Clearly :)
I was laughing tooooo!
Every woman in my theatre was laughing
When she kicked her clear across the room I lost it.
You’re not alone! It’s so over the top in the best way
As a gay male who does not work in showbiz, I, shockingly, relate to this film hardcore. As I'm approaching 30's, I think back to my "twink" era that occurred in my early 20's. I'd overdose on caffeine to suppress my appetite (which caused terrible acid reflux), I'd unintentionally overwork myself and not even care that I missed a meal or two, and I'd only eat nutrient-dense foods (I was bordering on orthorexia nervosa). Thankfully, I have a much healthier relationship with my body and aging.
I also went to extreme strengths to appease some exploitative bosses like Dennis Quaid's character. And I can relate to trying to eat a certain way to have a certain figure, and then seeing the wrappers of chips, ice cream, etc. and hating myself.
As someone with multiple health conditions, I could definitely feel overmedicated at times, or I'd overdose on a street drug, and I felt out of it and like I was going to die.
While I thought the ending was definitely ballsy, I really do think this movie had to basically exclaim to its audience: LOVE YOUR BODY. THE GRASS ISN'T GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE.
10/10. I loved the fuck out of this movie.
I already watched the _Babygirl_ trailer this morning and I'm loving Nicole Kidman's (prestige) MILF arc of her filmography!
The sound design of this film made me think of one word: “squelch.” 😂
Yes! Like on the Stranger Things closed captioning: Wet squelching.
What do you think Bernard Herrmann’s Vertigo score was referring to? It played when monstereliza was at the mirror.
Would have been interesting to see how Ray Liotta would have played Harvey.
SO MAD I MISSED THIS LOVED THIS DAMN MOVIE
Glad you're here now!
Have to mention that I am Irish and I just moved to Canada so was one of my first North American cinematic experiences. Wow I don’t know how you guys stick the theatre etiquette here?? So bizzare cos at concerts I love people dancing singing along but here everyone seems to sit and be straight faced from the concerts I went to here, yet at the movies it’s CONSTANT interruptions and running commentary from the audience. It is so distracting and there was 2 men behind us who decided we all wanted to hear their running commentary and one woman and her partner who thought we all wanted to hear them OBNOXIOUSLY laugh after every line of dialogue and I loved the movie so much but just wanted to know is this soemtning ye just have to get used to? Because my fav place in the world is the cinema and get swoooped into the world on screen but theatre etiquette here I find intolerable 😭
They're sharing the same consciousness
Megalopolis deserved a Z (pronounced Zed). Joker 2: Folie a Deux may be controversial but it makes the impression that Coppola wanted to do with the Meg.
Loved this film
I kind of love this movie even when it goes full crazy in the last half that made me think of Sam Raimi and Monty Python. I laugh the more silly it got with topless women for a network show and the blood.
SO insane.
The black fly in her chardonnay was ironic.
Don't you think?
I saw the film a 2nd time on Sunday to sear the audiovisual sensations even deeper into my brain!
One of the few things that I don't like about the film is name of the TV network executive's name. While it's obvious whom Harvey is supposed to reference IRL, Quaid's character's personality, while off-putting and openly lecherous, is nowhere heinous enough to warrant comparison to Weinstein.
Ironically, I think the 2 highly presumptuous would-be suitors of Elisabeth/Sue are more disgusting characters.
Aww man, I missed the live. But I am so seated to watch. When is Christy going to moderate a screening of this film? 😜. This is one of my favorite movies of this year
I’m currently living in Stockholm Sweden, and I saw this on half price day at the national cinema chain. It was sold out. What…an….experience. I walked out speechless and the reactions in the last 40ish minutes, and walking out, it was amazing
Hello to you in Stockholm! Nice to have you here and glad to hear this is playing there.
I went in thrilled with the Oscar buzz for Demi but there's a point where she flips out that really felt a tad too cartoonish and it lost me. Of course so did a lot of the over the top crap at the end. Not bothered by the blood but there was just way too much of it.
Sorry I missed this live but I was walking to see ...A FABLE in IMAX.
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The fact that they do not share the same consciousness IS a big plot problem. It could have easily been written for Elizabeth to be experiencing all of Sue's life. Instead of the violent showdown that happens between Elizabeth and Sue, we could have just watched with sadness as Elizabeth breaks the rules trying to stay Sue for longer periods each time, all the while having to pay the price during the time that she has to live as Elizabeth. I would have loved to see a scene with Sue accidentally introducing herself to someone as Elizabeth before catching herself.
The most over rated over hyped film in a while ..badly and illogically written ugly genuinely sick sensibility...cost seventeen million has only made ten million won't make much more..I will genuinely be happy if this film is a gigantic flop
I enjoyed the film very much but I agree. I don't know what was in it for Elisabeth. What did she get? Having a shared consciousness would've made more sense. I also would've liked more character development for Elisabeth. Why was the cancelation of her show the end for her? She had nothing else to live for but to try this experiment? I find that hard to believe.
I'm pretty sure they did share consciousness. She just endlessly reinterprets her own actions in the worst light from either perspective because she hates herself
@@roccocupido5082 I also just found out this is an "unofficial" remake of 1988's The Rejuvenator. In that film, the lead actress is named Elizabeth, the serum is called a "stabilizer" and she ends up as a blob on the floor with a face just like the end of The Substance. That movie is obviously super camp and not to be taken seriously. I just wish this version had been a dark and more realistic rendition.
why the effort to say this is NOT a horror movie?
Oh it's just got so many different kinds of genre elements, it seems like saying it was simply a horror film was limiting. Thanks for catching up with our live chat!