Volkswagen ID.4 AWD (82kWh SK Battery) 70-MPH Highway Range Test
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Ryan finally takes a VW ID.4 on our 70 mph range test. The big battery should provide good range but AWD and large wheels hurt efficiency. Find out how far the ID.4 can go when you drain it completely!
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It would be great to have a range list of the vehicles you've tested in the 70mph test and the 10% challenge.
I’ll echo the above comment; thank you for taking the time to perform these tests! I’m also in CO and have a RWD Pro S. Just like you said, it is more efficient. On a highway loop over 100 miles, I typically see 3.8Mi/Kw and have seen close to 280 miles on a road trip at 70mph. This is of course in the summer because efficiency tanks in the winter, not to mention having Nokian R5 winter tires on top of the normal losses.
How does the RWD perform in snowy conditions?
The dampening on the ID4 is unbelievably good. It’s one of the most composed vehicles I’ve ever driven on the highway.
I totally agree, it was extremely comfortable
It absolutely is. Also good to hear Ryan agrees, which speaks well to build quality and consistency since Makayla’s car was within the first 500 off the line in Chattanooga.
Hey Ryan, nicely done! My only suggestion is to put graphics for the other cars' range numbers. It's tough to follow with so many numbers coming at the viewer and would be easier to visually compare as you're talking about the figures. Thanks!
Great suggestion!
While we have our RWD Tesla Model 3 and really enjoy the tech in that car, our RWD VW ID4 is so quiet, smooth and comfortable. We really love it. Thank you for making this video.
Great job Ryan! I'm such an avid viewer of this channel, I even recognize McKayla's car!
Glad I'm not the only one who recognized it and good on him to not bring up the airbag light.
Thanks for doing this Range test I just bought the Id4 last week in Canada and have been looking forward to this test.
Yellowcard is also in my permanent roadtrip music rotation ❤ Great vid!
Thanks buddy for the id4 70 mph range test and thanks to Kyle buddy you are truly awesome and i want part 2 of coming back to Colorado with the koda electric
Thanks for this test. This is the same spec I have, but i had the dealer swap on my 19" wheels from my 2021 ID.4 trade-in. I should be sble to get a few more miles over 248.
Love these tests keep them up
Great result!
Ty sir from south florida. Pedro
Long awaited test
Bravo, Ryan, thanks for your time on this test run.
?: is that an amber airbag alert bottom left cluster?
Thank you Ryan. I haven’t checked my kilowatt per mile ratio yet and look forward to comparing that on my model S plaid when I get back home.
So glad this was published. The best range that you can get is max 65mph if you can do it.
Great video Sir
Hi Ryan! I have the exact same vehicle with about 12k on the odometer. I really enjoy watching your co-host videos with Max on Out of Spec Guide. It has been fun watching your self-confidence increase and your ease with being the broadcast moderator and content generator. I noticed one variable flaw with the testing procedure. On the first leg of the trip, you were in D mode. On the second leg of the trip, you were in B mode. I normally switch to B mode when I exit a highway. It looks like you forgot to switch back to D mode when you got back on the highway. I think the range would have been a little bit higher. The rolling resistance on the Pirelli Scorpion Zero(s) is almost non existant. The VW ID.4 AWD PRO S will roll forever in D mode. I also see the 3.4 mi/kwH as an average for my vehicle. I love the car! I have owned two 2012 Nissan Leaf(s) and a 2020 Chevrolet Bolt. Keep up the great content!
Thanks Ryan, I have a 2022 AWD ID4, and this was helpful. BTW, have you guys done a Tesla Model Y Performance range test?
Motion City Soundtrack!!! Yaaasss! I loved them and Cute is What We Aim For
I am curious if you have recharging numbers - 0 to 100% at highest rated charger that it can use.
Thank you for putting the note at the end comparing this to other vehicles tested.
I have nearly the identical car down to even the color. Great to see the range test. Plan to do a road trip this summer with 4 on board with gear so I expect to see less range. Mine came Kumho all seasons.
Thank you for doing this! I have this exact same car and I was curious! How come the airbag light was on? Was there an issue or was it this car being a drama queen?
Thank you for these tests. I know there’s a big time investment involved in the test and then editing. My brother loved his ID4 - but cross country trips were a nightmare with inconsistent charging quality. He now owns a hybrid Volvo…and his experience pushed me to buying a Model 3.
If your do a lot of long road trips, the Tesla super charge experience is critical.
If you only do an occasional long day trip, then I would suggest at least 300 mi of range so you can’t avoid needing to do ccs charging all together.
I'm thinking once either EA gets their newer chargers online, or NACS becomes more accessible, or CCS at the new SC stations, I wouldn't have to worry which vehicle I get. What's interesting is near my area around the Milwaukee area, Tesla owners are waiting for EA to get up and running near the SC station there because theirs is usually full and want an alternative.
Actually the front wheel isn't driven unless you stomp the accelerator peddle or it decides it needs it for traction. The front motor will free-wheel (its an asynchronous motor so it can). However, there is still the weight of the additional motor and a bit of friction from the free-wheeling.
Otherwise, great video as usual! I have the German version of the AWD ID.4 Pro S myself, one of the early ones. On flat highway trips like that I typically get 3.4 mi/kWh too.
Ryan nice job
exactly 400km
pretty good. looking forward on the refresh with the MIB4 infotainment from the id7
Hey Ryan I have a suggestion for a test video . I think we can all understand that sometimes our partners don't quite feel so confident in these new type of cars lol. On my road trip my wife made me charge to 100% on the first two stops. The video I am suggesting is a race to Vegas but with SUVs with different than normal charging rules like you have a scared partner. So here are the rules.
1. All cars are the same volt system 400v or 800v to be fair.
2. All cars start the race at 100% and leave at staggered times so as not to block each other at a charger.
3. You cannot plan to arrive at any charging location below 10% charge. You don't want to scare anybody lol
4. You cannot leave the charger before the car reaches 80% charge regardless of how much charge is required to reach the next charger. You can stay longer but you can't leave below 80%
This type of test imo would show if charging peak is better than charging curve and show how efficient a car is compared to it's competition. Hope you and Kyle consider this test while understand were not all ev road trip warriors and thanks for helping Kyle on the channel.
A minimum arrival charge makes sense, and I would even argue that 10% may be too low. 10% seems probably sufficient if you're pulling into the home charger at the very end of a trip, or if you're a Tesla pulling into a supercharger. But, trusting the CCS network with just 10% left in the battery feels asking for trouble. With the CCS network, on every charge, you need to leave with enough to make sure that, even if the next charger is down, you still have enough left in the tank to reach an alternative. In practice, 20% is usually safe if you're willing to allow a level 2 to qualify as the backup option. 10% may be ok in big cities, but is usually not safe out in the countryside.
But, I do strongly disagree with 4). 80% is a completely arbitrary number. If leaving with less than that allows sufficient buffer at the next charger, you should not be prevented from doing this.
@ab-tf5fl I agree with you. The only reason I said to stay till 80% was most brands tout there 10 to 80% times and even a novice partner may have seen that information in passing. Like I said earlier my wife wanted me to charge to 100% in my Model 3 on our first road trip. I thought 80% departure time was a good compromise for the test.
I was always amazed with mine. Once drive 255mi from Charlotte to Pooler Ga and still had 11% left in the battery. Was unfortunately let down by the charging infrastructure or I would still have it.
Will you run a mach-e awd er on the same loop? It should top 290
During this test were you running the climate system in either cool/heat? Thanks
Thanks for these tests it's great to see what cars can do in real world. One question though... If it has 77 kwh usable battery and trip meter says it's averaging 3.4 miles pkwh, shouldn't it go 261.8 miles?
Cars are bad at averaging their own efficiency and tend to overstate it a little. The actual efficiency in this test was 3.22mi/kWh assuming 77kWh used. That’s a 5% overstatement of efficiency. That’s worse than I would expect from an EV because they have the data to be more precise. If we assume it rounded a raw 3.35mi/kWh up, then it would be a 4% overstatement. Also there could just be a little battery degradation on this car and that would also explain it.
The ID.4 is still a great overall package. Good practicality, good usable range, very comfortable ride and at a great overall price. It doesn't really shine in one area, but so well rounded it is a good recommendation to anyone looking for an affordable EV SUV.
I like how you did a comparison wrap up at the end to provide some perspective. I would have expected the MY to do much better.
286 miles vs 248 on near same size useable kwh pack is an impressive result for the tesla. That's about 18% more efficient vs vw.
With much better charging speeds on the better network, higher perf, better tech and crash safety, plus more standard features to boot. 👍🏻😎
@@4literv6 All true. But the ID.4 is a far more comfortable car IMHO. The seats are incredibly comfortable in the high-trim models. That might start to change with the Tesla model 3 refresh, though. We'll just have to see.
@4literv6 in my calculation it's 'only' about 15% more than what the MY averages what's plenty! And saw another Highway test in which the ID4 uses about 10% more than an ID3 what means that the much bigger MY even needs less energy than an ID3, what is a way smaller, lower and way less powerfull Compact Car. Also Bjørn Nyland did a range test which concludes that on Highway speed the GTX with Awd is averaging about the same as the Rear Wheel Version, so that wouldn't have made much difference, maybe none.
@@junkerzn7312 it's not my experience with an id.4, model y and mach e. But I am glad we as consumers have more options now. 👍🏻
Imo the base rwd TN built id.4 with tax credit is an excellent value for its price and feature set. Anything else though?
And tesla is the value play, like when road tripping and charging times do matter, plus if overall tech, safety and features matter most to you.
In my area a new awd sr my is 44k before any tax credits, additional incentives etc. Just 47k for a lr my in stock within 200 miles of me. 😎
@@4literv6 IDK, Tesla wants ppl to drive until the thing dies to get the EPA range lol. I don't care. The ID.4 doesn't look like a dorky frog and with a wide ass butt in the back, and the Y makes that look worse with it either looking like a hat or a roach. For me, since I owned the Mazda3 from 2004, the design looks even more dated since the same guy made both and hasn't really changed from it.
We'll also have to see what the 2024 model brings too.
Try the BMW I4 edrive 40, I'm getting 4.1 mi/KWh on my long commute (average over 1200 miles last month)
Was the airbag light on?
How do you know if the car (id4) you’re looking at has the SK battery? Also, have you done any range testing by swapping to the VW 19” wheels? That would be interesting to see if it is really a measurable or meaningful difference. We live 94 miles to our nearest airport and it has limited dc fast charging available. So in the winter we’d need to have probably 200 miles range at say 35F or 2C temperatures. Great review, thanks!
I know when the vehicle is new they usually have a window sticker or specs sheet called the Monroney sticker this label list the vehicle serial number and trim level options and other information but also the manufacturer of the battery pack but if the vehicle is used I think the only way is to call a VW parts department with the serial number and ask them what is the manufacturer of the battery pack.
10:15 glad to see they havent fixed that ramp since 2009
just curious, why is the airbag symbol on?
Like how you gave State police a video of you going 70 in a 55 construction zone, hilarious!
It’s more likely you do that …… some people gladly volunteer.
Many channels do the same. How many have seen State of Charge Tom do an 80 mph range test in NJ where the highest posted speed is 65? 15 mph over qualifies for a hefty ticket and possibly an increase in insurance rate.
Would like to see the 2024 Pro S AWD for comparison.
Why the airbag light is on?
Looks like the temp was between 85-95 degrees. Did you have the ac on at any point?
I have the exact same car except mine is red :). I love the car. My daily commute is right at 80 miles round trip. I charge to 80% and end get home with anything from 40% if it is freezing cold outside to 55% if I drive in eco mode and baby it.
I get that this is not the most exciting electric car on the road but for me it is perfect. I can tool around and the car is plenty fast for me and you have got to appreciate the German engineering .
As far as mi/kWh. I can get it down to the high 2’s if I drive it hard in the cold. I have brought the car in at 4.0 if I stay under the speed limit and go really easy. The car gives you what you want.
I hope everyone has as much fun as I do driving.
My question is how do I find out what kind of battery I have. Mine is American built if that helps.
If you have the window sticker it tells you the battery manufacturer. LG is the old version and SK ON is the new one with higher peak charging. Both batteries are used in Chattanooga. Great color choice on yours. I can’t decide between red or pure gray.
@@coreyschmidt734 I love my king's red metallic. It costs extra but it's really awesome. Not flat, not dull, and not too bright either. It stands out but it doesn't scream which is precisely what I wanted. I think the gray looks good too but given the choice it had to be the red for me.
How do you know if it has the SK battery or the non SK?
I have a AWD Pro with much the same spec as the one in your test. Correct me if I am wrong but the AWD only operates in traction mode and within a certain speed, this would make the AWD a RWD for most driving I believe.
Nice review 👍👍
Having a front motor still causes some losses in efficiency because of extra weight and potentially a little more friction in the front axles. ID.4 mitigates this pretty well compared to some other cars.
Yes, correct, its an asynchronous motor so it free-wheels when not needed. As others have said, there is still the extra weight of the motor and some gear friction. The three main trim items effecting ID.4 range are: (1) Battery size, (2) Tires, and (3) 1-v-2 motors.
I should amend that. "Traction mode" is the always-AWD mode that uses both motors whether the car thinks they are both needed or not. That mode only operates under roughly 25mph. Regardless of the mode however, the car will still use both motors at any speed when it feels it needs to. For traction or if you stomp the accelerator, for example.
How long did it take to charge?
I was wondering when you were going to post a 70 mph test of Coleton or McKayla’s car. Next up, 10% challenge.
I’m also a member of the Pure Grey ID.4 Pro S AWD club.
Stay tuned!
I got the red and love it but man that grey is a beauty.
what year is this????? you need to include that in the title of the video!!!!
3.4 m/kw is a solid result. Is it me, or is that sort of the state of the art for the German industry EV's as a whole? Regardless of "volt architecture" it seems that's kind of it. Personally, as of yet I still don't see an overwhelming advantage to 800V except for mega packs in things like trucks. On full charges, regardless of architecture, the best "average" charging rates are around 150 to 160 kw or so. Higher peak rates just allow you for higher "partial charge" at lower battery levels. I usually charge until the rate falls to 50kw (if there is no one waiting). On my EQS, that's around 90% SOC. From 10 to 90, that's around 40 minutes if all the stars are aligned😊
That truck spewing out all that diesel gunk. What a juxtaposition to the clean ID.4
Would be nice to see the charge speed how long it would take charge and true cost of charging the battery.
Stay tuned!
Did anyone else notice the Airbag Fault light on the dash throughout the video?
Id4 with the lg battery has the charging performance as the sk if upgraded to software 3.1, even first edition
I believe the SK has less drop further on.
248 vs the 255 that the EPA says you should get is rather solid. If you get 286 vs 326 EPA rating on the Model Y, it just shows how unrealistic Tesla rates their vehicles.
It does not appear the front tires are the factory size. What is the tire size setup? From the video at 1:21 it shows a 255/45R20 tire. The factory size tire with the AWD 20 inch wheels is 235/50R20 in front and 255/45R20 in rear. The wider tires will reduce range.
I think you are right, the fronts on that vehicle are not standard. It looks like they might be 255's all around whereas out of the factory only the rears are 255 and the fronts are 235's.
One possibility is that someone incorrectly rotated the tires front-to-rear without recognizing the size difference.
What’s the “B” gear for? Seems it was set all the way back. Sorry if it’s a silly question 😅 but why not use the “D” drive gear?
B mode is for regen.
Both "B" mode and "D" mode have regen. "B" mode has stronger regen when you let off the pedal... "almost" one pedal driving but it won't come to a complete stop for you or do a sensor-based decel/stop. The mode won't really matter when in cruise control, but the eco/sport/etc selection does control how aggressive the cruise control adjusts (Eco is the smoothest).
I personally prefer "D" mode myself. "D" mode on the ID.4 DOES have variable regen when you let off the pedal but will be close to coasting on the flats which is more efficient than active deceleration on the little ups and downs. Plus this way I control the brake light myself accel-v-brake pedal (the brake pedal also does regen and then blends in physical brakes).
The interesting thing about "D" mode on the ID.4 is that if you are on a downslope, with your foot off the pedal, the car will regen to only accelerate very slowly. I tried this on a very steep almost 45-degree-sloped hill in our city and it actually went to nearly full regen. Pretty cool I think!
@@junkerzn7312 that’s actually a great explanation! Thank you so much
Great video as usual. Good car, solid car. But let me opine. The ID4 AWD Pro S costs $54,000 and the Model Y AWD LR is now at $50,500. Plus with the Mode Y you get full access to the Tesla Supercharger system. And like your 70 mph tests show you get 248 miles of range in this ID4 and 286 miles in the Model Y AWD LR. So there's a more compelling case for the Model Y.
Some people prefer ride comfort, build quality, quietness and a more conventional car, so theres reasons to get the ID.4 over the Model y as well
@@nickbien I understand that, but the Model Y suspension has been improved. My new Model Y rides very close to my wife's Volvo XC60. And the earliest reviews on the new Model 3 Highland have the ride quality as excellent. Plus fit and finish is improving too. My Model Y is good there and the Model 3 Highland is vastly improved in luxury feel. ... I think luxury feel is nice, but it's not tremendously important to me...... But Hey, if you've had good luck with your VWs and your VW dealership, I'd say go with the ID4.
Some things might be: Having a glass shade that closes above at the push of a button. Car play and android auto. Blind spot lights on the mirrors so you don't have to look at center screen for blind spot warnings. An instrument screen for speed that only exists on high end Model S and X but exists on every ID.4. Radar for cruise control for less phantom braking, although maybe that's getting better with Tesla? Ground clearance. From what I read, Model Y has 6.6 inches while ID.4 has 8.2 inches.
In other words, for the price of an ID4, you can buy two Bolts.
@@ab-tf5fl And the Bolt is a good EV too, but the problem is than GM is losing a bucket load of money on them. That's why they nearly canceled them. Now they're saying they can make a next gen Bolt and can lower the cost by using the Ultium battery pack and cut battery costs by 40%. I doubt that's enough to make the Bolt profitable but I'm pulling for GM to do it.
Does this id4 have a heat pump? When does VW expect to have a Buzz ready for market?
Not in the US, and last I checked they removed them from Canada bound ones.
No, its a PTC in most places. To be honest, this did annoy me slightly when I bought the car but after much use I've come to the conclusion that it virtually doesn't matter outside of a few edge cases in very cold weather. I think I kinda prefer the PTC, actually... it is one less thing that can break in terms of maintenance.
It all comes down to whether it needs to heat the battery or not. Heating the battery can burn a lot of energy, but I only see the car do it when the battery temps are below 32F and it only appears to try to heat it up to around 32F. It doesn't try to warm the battery to 70F or anything like that in very cold weather.
Cabin heating, it turns out, uses very little energy even in very cold weather. In 0F outside temps the most I saw it burn on the cabin steadily was around 1kW. A complete non-issue.
@@junkerzn7312 I think the reason why it doesn't matter is because heat pumps work well around the freezing mark. Below that and their only source of heat is from the car, not outside. I verified that looking at Kia's documentation on their heat pump.
I'll still opt for one since I'm up north, but I like how fast the ptc can work. Course Kia doesn't give a battery heater without the heat pump option for the Niro, not sure about ev6
Thanks for your insight guys.
70-MPH is 112 km/h... I don't know about US, but no one in EU drive 112 km/h on a Highway
Most ppl don't, but I don't care, cause then they all have to switch lanes around me and I don't have to keep passing ppl doing 75 to 80.
Should a 70 mph consumption test not be based on 70 mph, rather than milking the battery out of every last drop at lower speeds? Just drive 100 miles in each direction and stop.
J'aime suivre vos tests,70 MPH :112 KMH,vitesse usuelle en Europe !
En fait, 70 mph équivaut à 112,6 km/h.
@@mowcowbell vitesse usuelle en EU ? no... 120-130 km/h
A little stiff on your delivery but factually informative and thankfully brief. Perfect for a range test. Some reviewers are a bit over the top with their commentary.
Air bags broken?!?
What is the chemistry of the SK battery? Can it be changed to full 100% on every charge?
Nope.
No, they still recommend 80% for the daily driver. Some people on Reddit charge to 90% daily and it’s fine.
You should only charge to 100% IF you are going to drive it immediately.
Thanks :)
Why not lock it in at 70 mph gps? Then you avoid the inconsistencies with what the speedo is showing and real gps speed that can differ between cars
Wouldn't you get max with a 150 KW charger? Why take away a charger that another EV could use that can charge at a higher rate?
When saying the percentage slow down you say it too fast it sounds like ititititi has 2737474 percentel
399.1 km
Does this model have one-pedal driving?
No.
And being towd by the rivian r1t truck
I still hate my 2021 AWD id.4! Terrible software and no OTA to correct it. What is to like about this car?
Tried to buy ID4 twice. They never delivered. Bought Tesla 3 instead - RWD for same price. Man, did we luck out. I sincerely thought generic charging would improve. LOL
@@terrymattingly6843 Congrats, you made the right choice. I have borrowed a friends M3 and I think it is a much better car than my id.4. His only complaint is that he took delivery before the big price cuts.
@@JamesWhited My wife now drives a Tesla Y and I drive an IONIQ5. Fine car. Use it local and regional trips. Electrify America just keeps getting worse, so I5 can’t be the road-tripper
nokian spike €1000.-. a' €250.-
bro youndon't accelerate at all , it will go less then 200 miles if you just accelerate
I'm not sure of the value of this test. No one charges to 100% and drives it at a set speed all the way to 0% on purpose. And the results are tainted somewhat by low-speed driving at the beginning and end. A much more useful metric is the miles/kwh at a given speed. It can be reliably obtained in a good length test. You can snap the chalkline and get the reading while at speed without having to slow down. Such results at a variety of speeds and driving conditions would make for an interesting graphic. The test results in this video are tainted somewhat by low-speed driving at the beginning and end. It's good for a degradation test, however.
It seems like a reasonably good test of highway driving that most drivers are likely drive with their own vehicles. It also does not claim to be a scientific test, but does provide a good baseline to see how different EV's perform under largely identical conditions.
I do not understand why anyone would buy an ID4. It is the bottom of the EV barrel due to the software, build quality, and VW service. I also wonder if the people who "love" their ID4 have driven another EV. It is a shame because it is a nice looking car and apparently the drive is very nice but if you cannot depend on the car working when you need it, none of that matters.
If you want to really be pedantic, I wouldn't trust any EV, period. Tesla has lots of horror stories. Hyundai has now their charger unit issues. GM is just, well, GM being GM.
Depending on who you ask, VW has solved the issues with software on the ID4. But first year owners are still screwed waiting for updates.
I have a feeling if Musk were fired from Tesla, they'd focus more on being a more user friendly company instead of doing BS like removing stalks, buttons, the joke that is their "truck" and of course, lying about what they are capable of on range and FSD. Go ahead, try finding the official HP rating of the 3/Y, esp the performance one.
Well, because its a nice car, that's why. It has one of the best rides of all the EVs out there. The software is definitely not as advanced as Tesla's... it isn't even close, but on the other-hand, you have to ask yourself how much of that software you would actually use regularly. For most people it turns out to be "not much".
Unless one regularly rips a car along mountain roads like Kyle, or feel the need to go faster than 100mph, the other technical differences just don't hit the radar screen. I gotta say, my days of going fast are long done. I took my old A6 up to governor limit a few times at 2am on highway 5 (California), and sometimes would rip up the grade on highway 80 at 100+ heading to Tahoe in the dead of night, but it wasn't often and I don't miss those days.
For me, there really aren't any major software features that I'd want to use regularly. Basically just the map and Apple CarPlay and that is it. I don't need the car to know where the fast chargers are because I already know where they are. I like to drive so I don't even use VW's lane-keeping. At best I might use cruise-control on a long drive to maintain a radar distance. Even if I owned a Tesla I would NEVER trust my family's life to lane-keeping or FSD. Most of the time I prefer to control the accelerator pedal myself and its a breeze in "D" mode. I don't need auto-park. I don't change the radio channels... don't even use the radio, honestly. I use CarPlay for entertainment.
What else is there that matters? Not a whole lot. Efficiency. That's it. So as long as that isn't a problem (and it isn't for me), it comes down to just comfort, map, and CarPlay.
@@junkerzn7312 tight turning radius is the most underapreciated feature that don't show up on a spec sheet
@@junkerzn7312 I love your take on the ID4 and what features really matter to you. So many of the reviews and or comments focus on such small details that people loose sight of the car overall. If you like the car buy it, drive it and enjoy it. The ID4 is a great option in my opinion as are other EV's too. The best news is that we have more and more choices every day.