Appreciate the time you take to do these range tests, you are the modern Car & Driver, MotorTrend, you're giving us EV & car enthusiasts valuable info. Not just a review of the interior/exterior, but in the modern world with EVs, we need real world numbers, not the flawed WLTP, EPA, etc tests.
Kyle, thank you for a high quality range test and review. Your test further confirmed the reason I went with FWD Ariya (Premiere trim 87kw) when I reserved my Ariya over a year ago (received late January 2023). After watching all your videos I did my own range test after I had my car for a few weeks. Had about 800 mi on mine when I did my test. Got on freeways in SoCal (temp was in low-mid 50s) set ProPilot to 73 mph and drove just to 0% and went 271 mi 3.3 mi/kh). Did not run much after got to 0% and did not enter turtle mode. Based on your review probably could have hit 285 miles before completely draining battery. EPA for my trim is 289 so if I had set ProPilot at 70 probably would have hit that. Have 2700 miles on my Ariya now and typically get 3.2-3.4 mi/kw on all my driving. Very happy with that range. My trim reservation MSRP was $53,450 and I got $7500 tax credit since my order predated change in the law 😊
And you filed your taxes and can confirm you actually got that $7500 with out any flags from the IRS? Since you actually took ownership after 2022. ??!
I bought the Nissan Ariya Premiere. It was 56,000. Currently, I have 387 miles per range. I drive in ECO to conserve power. When it is in standard mode, it goes really fast.
You personally got 350 actual miles out of a charge, or it's just saying you'll get 350 miles on the guess-o-meter? I highly doubt anyone is going to get 300 on this car, let alone 350.
@@fiehlsport No, not at 70 mph. When are people going to get that the WLTP figure is just a help for comparing vehicles? Mine is saying 360 kilometers after driving about 400 kilometers at an average speed of 100 km/h in rather cold weather.
Unlike most EVs the Ariya has a large reserve of about 5kWh which works out at about 20 miles. Look for the test Bjorn Nyland did. You can get down to just a few % power limit.
Most people don't really know how much they spend on gas. I only drive 8-10k miles per year. I spend roughly $1,200 per year on gas. An electric vehicle would cost me about $500 per year to charge. That savings over 10 years is roughly $7k. Not much when most electric vehicles cost at least 12-15k more than an ICE equivalent. Also, for this to make any sense, the electric car would need to have some sort of value after 10 years. There's no way to know what that will be. There *could* be additional savings for maintenance and repairs for an electric vehicle, but I've noticed many manufacturers of electric cars seem to build-in things that will undoubtedly fail: electric pop out door handles for one. (Good luck getting that fixed anywhere other than a dealer$). Point being there's still an opportunity for massive repairs in electric vehicles, the battery itself being major.
@@MrOktsx I agree that the savings only make sense if you were instead buying a new ICE vehicle for around same price after tax credits. Even then it's no guarantee, but odds are the EV will be cheaper. If your EV costs $10K more than the ICE vehicle would and it has decent gas mileage, then I would bet that the ICE vehicle would be cheaper. Essentially, don't buy a new EV just to "save" money. I do think EVs are really convenient as a second car if you can charge overnight at home saving time as well.
If they want mass EV adoption, they need to figure that out. As it stands my first EV won't likely come along for a few more years and it'll be a used one around $20k.
Just wanted to say, the review of the Nissan Ariya was pretty detailed, and it's nice to finally hear some positive stuff about it. Real-world results matter more than just numbers, right? The charging speed is interesting, though I wish the price was lower. Safety is a priority, so I'd pay extra for that. But, yeah, if they could increase the range and drop the price, the Ariya would be perfect for many!
Just get a lower trim level. Ariya starts at $43k and you'll get lots of features. HUD, wireless Apple carplay, wired Android Auto, heated front and rear seats and steering well, propilot assist, built in Navi with google photos and Sirius xm traffic. On the engage base model
I’ve had my Platinum+ for just over a month now. I have the standard 19” wheels, and drive in eco and B most of the time. I’m getting average range numbers of 420 kms (262 miles) mixed city and highway driving (about 70/30 split), on mixed terrain. I haven’t done a long sustained highway speed drive yet. Yes, it’s expensive, but I bought this for all the comfort and driver assist features. Plus, I wanted something bigger for touring (traded in my Kona EV). So far I’ve been very happy with this car. I also expect this to be my last new vehicle purchase (I’m 63, retiring soon).
Thanks for the detailed charging review. You FINALLY said something nice about the Ariya. As you found, numbers tell the truth but real world results tell the whole truth. Kinda interesting how the Ariya charges at half speed of Tesla and KIA yet fully charges in the same amount of time. I've had one on order for over a year. IF the Ariya sold for 50K you would probably think it is great. I think the car is priced 10K too high, now that I've lost the tax credit. The thing that sells me is all the neat tech and the apparent safety of the e4force drive train. I've seem a few videos that claim it is one of the safest AWD systems they have tested. If it gives my wife a higher chance to keep from having an accident on slippery roads, I'll pay the extra 10 grand to help keep her safe. If Nissan would increase the range by 100 miles and lower the price 10K I think it would be perfect for many.
I don't get the hate. I'm not sure I'd even say it's overpriced. In the higher trims the speed, range, and build quality is more on par with luxury models than ID.4 and Ioniq. When it comes to Model Y, price is about the same other than the tax credit. But the Ariya more than makes up for it in safety, durability, and more robust standard autopilot features (adding full autopilot on Tesla wipes out most of the tax credit).
In addition to a few bits and bobs, the Platinum trim adds Napa Leather seats. A ~$5k value over vinyl seats and ~$6k value over cloth. Not available in Model Y, Ioniq 5, ID.4, Mach-e, EV6.
Slightly windy. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)
I got 245 miles of range in a March road trip in my Dual Motor Long Range Model Y and the temps were as low as 12 degrees F at points along the drive--- and a high crosswind most of the way. In nice weather like this, I would get 275 miles of range doing 70 mph. And the Model Y has 72 kWh usable battery pack compared to 87 kWh for the Nissan Ariya. Tremendous cost advantage for the Model Y.
Sorry, I must have misunderstood, I was talking about the range that the car shows in the display, But range is not an issue due to all the chargers that Tesla has
Agree it sounds a bit too expensive. Part of the problem is definitely the efficiency (you can get better range with a smaller battery on Model 3 / Y for example). I like that they have done a great job with their software though, as it gives me some hope that Nissan may get there yet (and its good for the consumer if some of the Japanese manufacturers start to make competitive EVs). Regarding some of the comments about many EVs not stacking up on total cost of ownership (especially if doing 10K miles or less per year), that is a valid concern. On the other hand, mitigating this quite a bit, I think the driving experience in an EV is much better than most ICE vehicles (and charging time has turned out to be a non issue for me, as I need a break by the time I need a charge - at least for my Tesla Model 3), and EVs (despite a lot of misinformation out there) are significantly better for our planets future.
I'm leasing a low-trim model with the big battery. I haven't had it long enough to get a feel for its range, but my lease is stupid-cheap, like $250 / month, no money down, so I'm pretty happy.
As bad as the range is on this, my ID.4 at 70mph only goes 180 miles at 80% SOC in warm temps with no HVAC on. Working 3-4 days a week with a 150 mile commute I have to charge everyday. Which is fine but the range leaves a lot to be desired. I stay around 2.7-2.9 miles/kWh
We own the Engage model. If in Eco/e-step the efficency is enhanced. The climate control, when fully engaged, causes the efficiency to drop about 6-8%. The manual suggests the efficiency with the climate control is best when seat controls are only used and other parts of the climate control are off. Over 2200 miles of use the average is 3..0 miles/kWh. Our high trip is 5.4 miles/kWh - must have been downhill. We traded up from a Leaf and felt the pricing of the Ariya was fair. You know one of the selling features is that Nissan has more than 10 years of EV experience. Tesla has more than 10 years also. But Nissan has CarPlay and Tesla does not have CarPlay. With Nissan or Tesla you are getting their years of experience, which isn’t yet in Ford or a Korean Car.😊
Took delivery of this model March 31. End of month end of quarter. Nissan kicked in $5400. Also have $1400 off because we had a deposit in early on. So net was $56,625.
Love the Ariya blue leather interior, and I’m sure the single motor version is probably best option and would give you circa 25-30 miles more range for a more affordable price!
Makes me feel better about my Model X Plaid. I often only get 3 to 3.5 miles per kwh at speeds ranging from 65 to 80 with the suspension at its lowest. I was spoiled by my older model s performance which often got over 4 miles per kwh. Thx for the video.
In regards to using brakes to correct lane drift, it is less intrusive and less likely to over correct or scare an unprepared driver. I drove my co workers K5 and the wheel yanked out of my hand over correcting for slight lane drift
@@mowcowbell yeah and you're breathing in poisonous fumes, paying a shit ton, and you wait in ridiculous lines on a road trip. 😂 I get to charge while I'm actually doing something, for just a fraction of the price. Not inconvenient at all. 😊
@@mowcowbell I don't know what he was trying to prove here. In his charging video he showed it takes an hour to go from 0% to 100% just like his tesla and took around 38 minutes to hit 80%
Wow, I'm honestly quite disappointed. With the EESM motors and overall shape of the vehicle, I was expecting the Ariya to have above-average efficiency. I couldn't wait any longer for the Ariya to launch so I ended up with a Polestar 2 and I'm just very surprised that the Ariya's efficiency is equal, if not a bit worse than my Polestar's.
Yeah, with an 87kWh battery, I would have expected minimum 320 miles, if not 350 miles. If Kyle pushed it a bit more, he might have *maybe* gotten 245 miles. That's simply unacceptable for a $60k+ car. You could get 2 Chevy Bolts, which will include tax breaks for both!
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 the wheels don’t help at all, they drop EPA range by 25 miles, the 19s and FWD is your best range but the AWD seems to be pretty efficient considering it is on the 20s and is almost spot on for the EPA combined range which is pretty darn solid. The 19s should net hopefully 15-20 more miles at 70 and FWD should stay close to the 280 range which is pretty stellar for such a big vehicle
With Ariya lease being in $200/mo-range and VW - in $400 it's fine, esp.given the HUD, surround view. I observed 2.9 mi/kW at 70 mph speeds in multiple cars, except maybe Tesla MY being a tad better, so, depe ding on your deal, it's a decent purchase.
Merci pour tes essais,70 mph correspond à 110 kmh qui est la vitesse habituelle des véhicules électriques en voyage! J'essaye de mieux comprendre l'anglais 😂😂
that range is about average for any awd EV in this size and battery class, considering it was windy as well. its not "terrible". of course, the charging speed is slower than the korean competition by a fair bit. Any EV6 or Ioniq 5 would beat this on a road trip, but to my eye the cabin seems more comfortable and spacious on this Ariya. Maybe that's the reason to get it?
That's the reason we chose it over EV6, Ioniq, or ID.4 (our runner-ups). The ID.4 and Ariya have the better interiors, and we liked the Ariya's better (also its UI design). It's so nice to drive, in almost all ways. Also really quiet.
Dude, not so perfect weather and wind is the best range test because it gives us a taste of how mileage is affected by wind and temperature. In other words it’s what us consumers deal with on our daily commutes.
Styling of the rear and that red color is super nice but efficiency is a little bit of a bummer. 240 miles is still an ok range and build quality/interior looks really good. I think someone who really loved their leaf but wants a huge update without cost worry would like this. I'd rather have a Model y for 10k less and a lot more range but I'm extra nerdy about efficiency and love the supercharger network too much to let it go. For now I'll just enjoy my used Model 3 standard range which cost me about half what this costs and still has a 220 mile epa range after 22k miles. In contrast my 220mile EPA range is only with 47kwh usable.
I haven’t found a dealership in my area that isn’t selling these things for at least 20k over MSRP. There is no way in hell this is a 70k car. That’s almost a Model Y and base model Nissan Sentra
The only reason to go to Platinum+ would be aesthetic and stereo, so that's moot. However, I do think the higher specs are a good buy (so one of the higher + e-force models) compared to Y. At that point, prices are the same. Yes, model y is cheaper with tax credit and has somewhat more power/range. However, I think Ariya is much better in terms of durability, ride quality, and (IMO) luxury. And a more comprehensive autopilot system is standard (which wipes out the tax credit if you upgrade the Tesla). And better user experience (again IMO) with little things like heads up display and roof cover.
So you’re aware the AWD version right below the platinum also has the 87kw usable battery. The difference between these two is simply the pilot 2.0 feature (self park), cooling seats, and the Bose system. The model I am talking about is the evolve+ EForce AWD model. Also only model you can get the northern lights color!
When you are driving your car the weather is just the weather. If it is raining cats and dogs then slow down or get off the roadway. If it is windy just keep on trucking but the range will be lower for both ICE cars and EV cars.
The majority who own an EV want to elongate the battery life of their cars and will prefer to drive in eco mode. I am sure it will hit above EPA estimates. With my 2022 Leaf I get 240 miles or more regularly during non-winter months. However CO freeways look almost empty unlike here in NJ/NY region so temptation to drive at high speeds may be greater.
2.9 m/kWh in this trim in windy conditions should mean more like 3+ in the RWD version with the smaller tires which would be somewhere 260+, not bad really as that's a 200+ mile 10-80% battery range.
About 10 miles off from Nissan's claimed range. I wonder why companies throw on such huge wheels after spending so much money on R&D to create such a low coefficient of drag. Seems like 16-18 inch wheels would make more sense to get the best range. Then again range isn't even as big of a deal as charging availability and speed is.
I have this car, and I stopped the video when you locked the speed, how do you operate that one, and how to put on cruise control? Feeling stupid asking, but.. 😂 I really like the car, had it for 2 months. I have the e-4orce model as I live in the mountains, with lots of snow and ice. Will be exciting to see how it does in the winter climate. 👍 Should do another range test below freezing temperatures. I was converting miles to kilometres, and I believe this was really low range. My car has a range of 520kilometres.
Maybe the "buffer" is added to compensate battery degradation over many years of ownership because Nissan still doesn't provide threshold to stop charging at 80 or 90% SOC, apparently, Nissan is fine with always charging to 100% on L1 and L2 Chargers. Also, the "buffer" might be usefull if you arrived at near 0% to a L3 DC fast charger and you forgot to manually start the "battery heather" preconditionner at least 30 mins before arriving to the charger to get better charging speed up to 130 KW annonced ... This battery temperature preconditionner may drain more energy below your 0%.
Manufacturers need to get these prices down at least 30% to make this viable. 62k is just ridiculous. I paid 14300 for my 2015 Golf TDI that had 20k on it and it gets 50+ mpg consistently. The Bolt is at least affordable but I'd really like to see that start at about 22k so everyday normal citizens can buy one.
Platinum for some reason is rated 5 miles less than the other levels with the same battery pack. I guess the parts for the motion activated liftgate, climate seat and Bose upgrade add some nice weight. Looking to lease an Evolve+ e-4orce. Doesnt have those 3 things but also 4k less. 🙂
I simply don't understand how Nissan can have all that data and experience from the leaf but their next EV is so inefficient and far too expensive. What are they thinking?
Inefficient only at very high speeds, I've done more than twice times near 400 miles on a charge in my Ariya driving very efficiently so... the drivetrain is crazy efficient.
I wonder what it would be like with more mileage under its wheels? My MG ZS wouldn’t give me more than 2.4 miles/ kilowatt hour for the first 3 to 4000 miles. After that. I’ve not seen anything less than 3.2 miles/kWh.
7500 lease cash right now. Preorder also get old tax credit. So there are good deals to be had. It's worth considering the most expensive model is not for everyone. Battery packs and a ton of features will give a huge swing. This vehicle starts at 44k.
@@ChrisGreenFL I don't think you can buy an Ariya for $44K, that's just the teaser price. Even if you could, the value of a comparable Tesla blows it away, once you consider the superior software, better acceleration, longer battery life and that once a year road trip on the Supercharger Network. Tesla just offers a better product and more value to the new car buyer. Plus, who wants to deal with a Nissan dealership?
I don't know in USA but in Spain I bought my 87kWh FWD top trim Ariya for 48k$ after taxes and before 5k$ subsidies. Seemed a great deal for me, 43k$ is a stellar price for that car.
@@Cosmycal Yeah, that sounds great for the consumer, but the manufacturer is losing a lot on each car, both on U.S. and Spain sales. At least it sounds like the dealerships are not adding too much of their own greed on top of MSRP.
is overpriced of course like mostly everything as of recent , but for me it works bc I drive a lot every day (but not too far from home) and I never would even use even 150miles in a day, even on a very busy driving day , so yeah it does save me plenty on gas , which I was spending about $500-$600 a month, now charging almost every night I’m averaging about $200 a month or less in energy costs on electors bill, and have another gas vehicle if needed for a long trip and really didn’t want to wait the 30-40 mins at charging stations.. and I drive mostly in eco mode for work until I’m done then go back to standard or sport when enjoying the real power . Overall it’s such a nice smooth quiet ride , but it’s a learning experience for sure , maybe go with a hybrid next time around tho , unless by the time I get another and it averages up to about 500 miles per charge , but as of now I love it and it’s an amazing ride.. but yes should have been around 10k less at least, maybe if we weren’t in such inflation times I guess
Great test, thank you! I was looking to buy one of these Arya's as it has great looks and Nissan's a pretty good brand, but, that small range sucks. I'll order the Model Y as the range is much better and has pretty much the same specs, with a larger charging network.
EVs are great, I love my Model 3 and actually really want the RAM 1500 EV when it comes out but I probably won't get one if the price turns out to be like all the other new EVs, ridiculous. The F150 lightning was supposed to be a pickup for truck people, no pickup truck driver I know wants to spend $80K+ for a truck that loses more than half it's range towing. The F150 is pretty cool but the price kills it.
Regular pickups lose half their range in towing, too. It just doesn’t take a year to recharge. I think EVs are great for cars and SUVs but pickups need a lot of work if range is a priority. Local work truck use they would be great considering the user can power their tools anywhere…. That said, I have completely converted to EVs and won’t miss all the maintenance and trips to the gas station.
Same range for the ariya 63 kWh battery, 240 miles on mixed motorway driving 60 to 70 mph. More efficient. One motor and a lighter battery. I have one and get the range easily.
Japanese cars often had 3 gallons of gas after the guage said empty and the fuel light came on. So, not surprising if the electrics also lied about "empty".
Love how you refer to `turtle mode' Which of course is the car protecting energy consumption, when there's the danger of `flattening' the batteries? Here in the UK it's referred to as `limp mode'
After making a trip from NNJ to San Diego (more than 3000 miles) during the last hot summer (Aug 2024) with my Ariya Platinum which I bought in May 2023, my trip meter (which I reset at the start) showed 3.4m/kw. I drove at 65-70-80 miles/hours depending on what is allowed. I have to disagree with reviewer's observation.
I just purchased one. 2023 Ariya FWD Premier which I ditched my 2017 Mercedes Benz E43 AMG for. I got 313 miles on a full charge in standard mode. Never will I buy a gas powered vehicle again
Update: I switched the Ariya into B mode w/e-step ECO mode at 70MPH on I-16 from Statesboro, GA to Atlanta, GA. I stopped in Dublin, GA and then stopped in Macon, GA because of the dead zone between Dublin and Macon. Still the efficiency was awesome.
I think you would have got more range if you had’nt used B mode. That stops the freewheel function, if you had used D in eco you would have got more I think.
So, what you are saying is that in the USA they have a tariff against any cars not built in the country. That’s really old fashioned restrictive practices. Good job Yank cars are so bad, they don’t sell well in Europe, you know, where you have to turn that round thing
Bad top charging speed of 130kw. Horrible drag co-efficiency for a none-truck. Low range for such a large battery. Overpriced. Does Nissan actually make it or is it BYD? Never took electrification seriously. Carlos Ghosn (who brought them back from bankruptcy) had to fight to even make the Leaf, and now he's gone. Nissan's debt rating has been downgraded to Junk by Moody..... Wow. Nissan is in big trouble.
All legacy ice oems are basically gooses cooked. They let tesla byd and other mostly ev startups get to far ahead of them in making evs. 😀 They have to much debt just vw&toyoduh owe more together than any country except the us&China owes as an ENTIRE COUNTRY. And vag wants to ad another 183billion to that for the transition to mostly evs by 2030. To many old outdated not easily converted factories, engine plants, transmission plants, ice supply chains etc. Along with aging, mostly union entitled ice only mindset workforce&exec class. Hundreds of billions each in debt with junk bond rating, junk credit scores. High interest rates, failing Altman z score. Debt mostly secured by those same old plants and now about to be legislated out of existence ice vehicle's falling in demand and resale value yoy now. It's gonna get good these next few year's. I say nobody is to big to fail! 👍🏻😎
@@jasertio Oh, yeah. That was all Ghosn. The Japanese counterparts wanted no part of it. The reason they didn't killed it after he left is only because Tesla had grown so much by then and had changed the market to an extent that they were now afraid to kill it. But as you can see, they never did much to improve it until now. The poor 55kw charging speeds; the outdated CHAdeMO technology. Nothing.
Seriously this car is a sad pile of disappointment. Its unfortunate reading some comments from people that seem to be introduced to EV's via this car and think all of them are this bad.
Love the idea of EVs, but I don’t see how these new cars/technology are for the masses with these entry prices. Still remember buying and driving my 1996 Toyota Corolla to NJ from FL and all over the state of FL and it cost me $2k
Ugh, you got lucky. Large majority of old $2000 vehicles have a lot of issues, let alone passing smog checks. I've had many cars older than 12 years, never trust them for road trips or mountain areas -- you'll get stranded sooner than later.
A lot of engineering effort and time goes into designing a first class efficient EV. Not surprisingly, Nissan opted to take short cuts. Arriya's 240 mile range will degrade closer to 215 miles in a year or two with a 10% loss of battery capacity. If you stick to good battery charging practices (20% to 80%), range drops to around 150 miles. In winter the range could be cut even more depending on the temperature. I would shy away from buying this AWD Arriya given its high cost per range mile ($250 vs ~$180 for the Model Y). I do like where they placed the charging port, though.
Check out the geotab EV database. Leaf loss 1% per year with no battery cooling. Now the Ariya has cooling. I would imagine after testing it's better than Leaf.
I don't think so. I have driven my Leaf close to two years now, and I don't see any battery degradation. I still get the same proven range this spring as much I got in last year. But I have charged only at home at 240v.
@@sajiantony7473 All Lithium batteries will lose capacity with repeated charge-discharge cycles. The rate of capacity loss can be minimized by limiting the depth of discharge, full charging, fast charging, and by avoiding temperature extremes.
They don't qualify for the new vehicle tax credit, but you can buy them used after 2 years and get $4, 000 if it's less than $25,000. I don't see your requirement for battery origin on the used requirement list on the IRS website. And you can already get a used one with 10,000 mi for around 25 6 months out. This might be my move
Hmm. On you post road review segment, I wonder is the noted wave (or plussing of power) at the end of battery charge could be the induction motor torque ripple effect of an induction motor design?
I enjoy your range tests very much, but please please state the miles driven more often. Perhaps mention miles driven EVERY TIME that you mention the percentage remaining. (For instance, I believe I’m correct in saying that we don’t even know how many miles you drove after the indicated 0%!) Good otherwise. Thanks. :)
Nissan really designed it to be an introductory ev. Just like I know my ice vehicle can go another 20miles on E… apparently the Ariya works in the same way…
Did not see or hear price mentioned. You're welcome...2023 Nissan Ariya Pricing The Venture+ model with the extended battery starts at $47,190, and the top Premiere trim for the FWD model begins at $54,690. If you're interested in the e-4ORCE all-wheel-drive powertrain, it's available starting at $47,190 and tops out at the Platinum+ AWD trim starting at $60,190.
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Appreciate the time you take to do these range tests, you are the modern Car & Driver, MotorTrend, you're giving us EV & car enthusiasts valuable info. Not just a review of the interior/exterior, but in the modern world with EVs, we need real world numbers, not the flawed WLTP, EPA, etc tests.
Kyle, thank you for a high quality range test and review. Your test further confirmed the reason I went with FWD Ariya (Premiere trim 87kw) when I reserved my Ariya over a year ago (received late January 2023). After watching all your videos I did my own range test after I had my car for a few weeks. Had about 800 mi on mine when I did my test. Got on freeways in SoCal (temp was in low-mid 50s) set ProPilot to 73 mph and drove just to 0% and went 271 mi 3.3 mi/kh). Did not run much after got to 0% and did not enter turtle mode. Based on your review probably could have hit 285 miles before completely draining battery. EPA for my trim is 289 so if I had set ProPilot at 70 probably would have hit that. Have 2700 miles on my Ariya now and typically get 3.2-3.4 mi/kw on all my driving. Very happy with that range. My trim reservation MSRP was $53,450 and I got $7500 tax credit since my order predated change in the law 😊
And you filed your taxes and can confirm you actually got that $7500 with out any flags from the IRS? Since you actually took ownership after 2022. ??!
@@motch6182 can confirm that if you signed the promisary note in Aug/Sep of 22 you received your full tax credit.
60mph is the best speed for a bigger mileage & what's the rush. Draining the bty completely damaged it's life. 20-80% is best charging parameters.
I bought the Nissan Ariya Premiere. It was 56,000. Currently, I have 387 miles per range. I drive in ECO to conserve power. When it is in standard mode, it goes really fast.
you get more than the WLTP figures?
That's great & you don't go above 60mph I would think. 70mph here is a bad example, a case of wanting your cake & eating it.
“I’m at 0% SOC and I made it to the charger. Let’s get back on the road and drive some more!” 🤯😂
I picked up my Ariya Venture + (fwd) for $45k -7.5k tax credit. 304 epa miles, I’m getting ~ 350 miles…love it!
You personally got 350 actual miles out of a charge, or it's just saying you'll get 350 miles on the guess-o-meter? I highly doubt anyone is going to get 300 on this car, let alone 350.
@@fiehlsport I drove 200 miles and the gom said 150 left
@@fiehlsport No, not at 70 mph. When are people going to get that the WLTP figure is just a help for comparing vehicles? Mine is saying 360 kilometers after driving about 400 kilometers at an average speed of 100 km/h in rather cold weather.
@@kajko6868 I live in the USA, and I drive at 65 mph on most interstates
If these could actually go 350 miles on a charge, I would consider buying one.
Nice car. Our 1 year old LEAF SV is smaller, maybe boring for some folks. But it cost HALF as much and averages 3.9-4.2 miles/KWh.
You're so brave to drive an EV on 0 % SOC for as long as you did! I would be so anxious at just 5%. 😮
Unlike most EVs the Ariya has a large reserve of about 5kWh which works out at about 20 miles. Look for the test Bjorn Nyland did. You can get down to just a few % power limit.
@@silverghini2629 I will look up Bjorn Nyland, thanks!
Glad to finally get to see you do these tests again Kyle! Missed them!
The prices of these new EV models never fail to shock me.
Most people don't really know how much they spend on gas. I only drive 8-10k miles per year. I spend roughly $1,200 per year on gas. An electric vehicle would cost me about $500 per year to charge. That savings over 10 years is roughly $7k. Not much when most electric vehicles cost at least 12-15k more than an ICE equivalent. Also, for this to make any sense, the electric car would need to have some sort of value after 10 years. There's no way to know what that will be.
There *could* be additional savings for maintenance and repairs for an electric vehicle, but I've noticed many manufacturers of electric cars seem to build-in things that will undoubtedly fail: electric pop out door handles for one. (Good luck getting that fixed anywhere other than a dealer$). Point being there's still an opportunity for massive repairs in electric vehicles, the battery itself being major.
@@MrOktsx I agree that the savings only make sense if you were instead buying a new ICE vehicle for around same price after tax credits. Even then it's no guarantee, but odds are the EV will be cheaper. If your EV costs $10K more than the ICE vehicle would and it has decent gas mileage, then I would bet that the ICE vehicle would be cheaper. Essentially, don't buy a new EV just to "save" money. I do think EVs are really convenient as a second car if you can charge overnight at home saving time as well.
If they want mass EV adoption, they need to figure that out. As it stands my first EV won't likely come along for a few more years and it'll be a used one around $20k.
I mean it’s the top of the line one. As fully decked out as possible.
@@alexkac4939 yes but comparing it to a full spec rouge and it’s crazy expensive.
Just wanted to say, the review of the Nissan Ariya was pretty detailed, and it's nice to finally hear some positive stuff about it. Real-world results matter more than just numbers, right? The charging speed is interesting, though I wish the price was lower. Safety is a priority, so I'd pay extra for that. But, yeah, if they could increase the range and drop the price, the Ariya would be perfect for many!
Just get a lower trim level. Ariya starts at $43k and you'll get lots of features. HUD, wireless Apple carplay, wired Android Auto, heated front and rear seats and steering well, propilot assist, built in Navi with google photos and Sirius xm traffic. On the engage base model
I’ve had my Platinum+ for just over a month now. I have the standard 19” wheels, and drive in eco and B most of the time. I’m getting average range numbers of 420 kms (262 miles) mixed city and highway driving (about 70/30 split), on mixed terrain. I haven’t done a long sustained highway speed drive yet. Yes, it’s expensive, but I bought this for all the comfort and driver assist features. Plus, I wanted something bigger for touring (traded in my Kona EV). So far I’ve been very happy with this car. I also expect this to be my last new vehicle purchase (I’m 63, retiring soon).
Thanks for the detailed charging review. You FINALLY said something nice about the Ariya. As you found, numbers tell the truth but real world results tell the whole truth. Kinda interesting how the Ariya charges at half speed of Tesla and KIA yet fully charges in the same amount of time. I've had one on order for over a year. IF the Ariya sold for 50K you would probably think it is great. I think the car is priced 10K too high, now that I've lost the tax credit. The thing that sells me is all the neat tech and the apparent safety of the e4force drive train. I've seem a few videos that claim it is one of the safest AWD systems they have tested. If it gives my wife a higher chance to keep from having an accident on slippery roads, I'll pay the extra 10 grand to help keep her safe. If Nissan would increase the range by 100 miles and lower the price 10K I think it would be perfect for many.
I don't get the hate. I'm not sure I'd even say it's overpriced. In the higher trims the speed, range, and build quality is more on par with luxury models than ID.4 and Ioniq. When it comes to Model Y, price is about the same other than the tax credit. But the Ariya more than makes up for it in safety, durability, and more robust standard autopilot features (adding full autopilot on Tesla wipes out most of the tax credit).
In addition to a few bits and bobs, the Platinum trim adds Napa Leather seats. A ~$5k value over vinyl seats and ~$6k value over cloth. Not available in Model Y, Ioniq 5, ID.4, Mach-e, EV6.
That range is fine for me. The only real problem for me is the price made worse by the fact that it doesn't qualify for the tax credit.
Acceleration: 0-60mph between 7.2 - 4.8 seconds
Range: between 270 - 340 miles
Price: between $43,000 - $54,690
What is this huge window of data? Nothing to be learned here.
@@KentBuchla showing actual fact not the Kyle conner version
Slightly windy. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)
Bjørn Nyland tested 2WD version of 87kWh Ariya and it went 37.7km under 0% or 23.5mi until its died
even it drive 40km below zero, you can not change it is 2.9miles/kwh, that is very low even for top trim.
I got 245 miles of range in a March road trip in my Dual Motor Long Range Model Y and the temps were as low as 12 degrees F at points along the drive--- and a high crosswind most of the way. In nice weather like this, I would get 275 miles of range doing 70 mph. And the Model Y has 72 kWh usable battery pack compared to 87 kWh for the Nissan Ariya. Tremendous cost advantage for the Model Y.
I got 328 miles in my model Y 2023 LR with winter tires, in Norway
@@Bjornar_Gjostol At 110 kph, or so? Excellent, anyway you slice it ..... I had winter tires also on my drive.
That’s crazy. I am lucky to get 200-220 miles on a full charge driving 75-80mph
@@Bjornar_Gjostol that’s amazing range you are getting! Is that on highway only driving or mixed?
Sorry, I must have misunderstood, I was talking about the range that the car shows in the display, But range is not an issue due to all the chargers that Tesla has
Agree it sounds a bit too expensive. Part of the problem is definitely the efficiency (you can get better range with a smaller battery on Model 3 / Y for example). I like that they have done a great job with their software though, as it gives me some hope that Nissan may get there yet (and its good for the consumer if some of the Japanese manufacturers start to make competitive EVs).
Regarding some of the comments about many EVs not stacking up on total cost of ownership (especially if doing 10K miles or less per year), that is a valid concern. On the other hand, mitigating this quite a bit, I think the driving experience in an EV is much better than most ICE vehicles (and charging time has turned out to be a non issue for me, as I need a break by the time I need a charge - at least for my Tesla Model 3), and EVs (despite a lot of misinformation out there) are significantly better for our planets future.
One note is the the 20" tires on the platinum lowers the range over the standard 19" tires on the Nissan ARIYA EVOLVE+ e-4ORCE AWD by 15 miles
I'm leasing a low-trim model with the big battery. I haven't had it long enough to get a feel for its range, but my lease is stupid-cheap, like $250 / month, no money down, so I'm pretty happy.
As bad as the range is on this, my ID.4 at 70mph only goes 180 miles at 80% SOC in warm temps with no HVAC on. Working 3-4 days a week with a 150 mile commute I have to charge everyday. Which is fine but the range leaves a lot to be desired. I stay around 2.7-2.9 miles/kWh
Yeah, 240 miles at 70 mph on a low-60's windy day isn't as unimpressive as Kyle is making it out to be in my opinion.
Woof, the efficiency is that low in an Id4?
We own the Engage model. If in Eco/e-step the efficency is enhanced. The climate control, when fully engaged, causes the efficiency to drop about 6-8%. The manual suggests the efficiency with the climate control is best when seat controls are only used and other parts of the climate control are off. Over 2200 miles of use the average is 3..0 miles/kWh. Our high trip is 5.4 miles/kWh - must have been downhill. We traded up from a Leaf and felt the pricing of the Ariya was fair. You know one of the selling features is that Nissan has more than 10 years of EV experience. Tesla has more than 10 years also. But Nissan has CarPlay and Tesla does not have CarPlay. With Nissan or Tesla you are getting their years of experience, which isn’t yet in Ford or a Korean Car.😊
Took delivery of this model March 31. End of month end of quarter. Nissan kicked in $5400. Also have $1400 off because we had a deposit in early on. So net was $56,625.
That's why they hike prices like that cause there are customers that just don't care about money
Nice to see a clean EV tested for a change!
There should be a contest for the biggest EV hoopty
Love the Ariya blue leather interior, and I’m sure the single motor version is probably best option and would give you circa 25-30 miles more range for a more affordable price!
Makes me feel better about my Model X Plaid. I often only get 3 to 3.5 miles per kwh at speeds ranging from 65 to 80 with the suspension at its lowest. I was spoiled by my older model s performance which often got over 4 miles per kwh. Thx for the video.
In regards to using brakes to correct lane drift, it is less intrusive and less likely to over correct or scare an unprepared driver. I drove my co workers K5 and the wheel yanked out of my hand over correcting for slight lane drift
At around $30,000, the Chevy Bolt EUV keeps looking better.
Then they killed it...
I just love these videos where you really drain the battery so people know that the car won’t die on them hitting 0%. 28:18
Holy smokes 1hr 15min to go from 80 to 100%! That's crazy! The ioniq-5 can go 0 to 100% and then 0 to 80% again in that amount of time
Dang! I can fill up my Wrangler 4xe with enough gas to drive 250 miles in about 3 mins.
@@mowcowbell yeah and you're breathing in poisonous fumes, paying a shit ton, and you wait in ridiculous lines on a road trip. 😂
I get to charge while I'm actually doing something, for just a fraction of the price. Not inconvenient at all. 😊
@@mowcowbell I don't know what he was trying to prove here. In his charging video he showed it takes an hour to go from 0% to 100% just like his tesla and took around 38 minutes to hit 80%
@@mowcowbell LOL, someone does not get it!
What a nice review. Thank you, man! That is exactly what I wanted to know.
Wow, I'm honestly quite disappointed. With the EESM motors and overall shape of the vehicle, I was expecting the Ariya to have above-average efficiency. I couldn't wait any longer for the Ariya to launch so I ended up with a Polestar 2 and I'm just very surprised that the Ariya's efficiency is equal, if not a bit worse than my Polestar's.
You couldn't give me a Chinese car.
Yeah, with an 87kWh battery, I would have expected minimum 320 miles, if not 350 miles. If Kyle pushed it a bit more, he might have *maybe* gotten 245 miles. That's simply unacceptable for a $60k+ car. You could get 2 Chevy Bolts, which will include tax breaks for both!
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 the wheels don’t help at all, they drop EPA range by 25 miles, the 19s and FWD is your best range but the AWD seems to be pretty efficient considering it is on the 20s and is almost spot on for the EPA combined range which is pretty darn solid. The 19s should net hopefully 15-20 more miles at 70 and FWD should stay close to the 280 range which is pretty stellar for such a big vehicle
@@Drivethisnotthat Japanese. Please don't be that ignorant
The shape is horrible, this has a 0.297 drag coefficient
With Ariya lease being in $200/mo-range and VW - in $400 it's fine, esp.given the HUD, surround view. I observed 2.9 mi/kW at 70 mph speeds in multiple cars, except maybe Tesla MY being a tad better, so, depe ding on your deal, it's a decent purchase.
Makes our Ioniq 5 SE AWD look like a bargain, much lower price, smaller battery but longer range. I would guess the I5 has more room as well.
Nissan sux these days 😅
Merci pour tes essais,70 mph correspond à 110 kmh qui est la vitesse habituelle des véhicules électriques en voyage!
J'essaye de mieux comprendre l'anglais 😂😂
This $62k car now costs around $35k, which is really worth it.
2023 used Arias under 10k miles are advertised under $24k in Atlanta area which is great
that range is about average for any awd EV in this size and battery class, considering it was windy as well. its not "terrible". of course, the charging speed is slower than the korean competition by a fair bit. Any EV6 or Ioniq 5 would beat this on a road trip, but to my eye the cabin seems more comfortable and spacious on this Ariya. Maybe that's the reason to get it?
That's the reason we chose it over EV6, Ioniq, or ID.4 (our runner-ups). The ID.4 and Ariya have the better interiors, and we liked the Ariya's better (also its UI design). It's so nice to drive, in almost all ways. Also really quiet.
Dude, not so perfect weather and wind is the best range test because it gives us a taste of how mileage is affected by wind and temperature. In other words it’s what us consumers deal with on our daily commutes.
I love your review of the Nissan Ariya!! Btw, what kind of windshield mount you were using to hold the smartphone?
Crazy price for a Nissan
A GT-R Nismo starts at $215,000.
Glad you went for the whole range - overcoming range anxiety! Ariya is bit too much for you this time!
Styling of the rear and that red color is super nice but efficiency is a little bit of a bummer. 240 miles is still an ok range and build quality/interior looks really good. I think someone who really loved their leaf but wants a huge update without cost worry would like this. I'd rather have a Model y for 10k less and a lot more range but I'm extra nerdy about efficiency and love the supercharger network too much to let it go. For now I'll just enjoy my used Model 3 standard range which cost me about half what this costs and still has a 220 mile epa range after 22k miles. In contrast my 220mile EPA range is only with 47kwh usable.
220miles on 47kwh usable would require 4.7mi/kWh efficiency. Not gonna happen at 70mph even in ideal weather.
I haven’t found a dealership in my area that isn’t selling these things for at least 20k over MSRP. There is no way in hell this is a 70k car. That’s almost a Model Y and base model Nissan Sentra
10k or 20K over MSRP is ridiculous. I would never buy it.
No markup where we are
1 dealer is offering discount right now in my area.
Only in the US.
The only reason to go to Platinum+ would be aesthetic and stereo, so that's moot. However, I do think the higher specs are a good buy (so one of the higher + e-force models) compared to Y. At that point, prices are the same. Yes, model y is cheaper with tax credit and has somewhat more power/range. However, I think Ariya is much better in terms of durability, ride quality, and (IMO) luxury. And a more comprehensive autopilot system is standard (which wipes out the tax credit if you upgrade the Tesla). And better user experience (again IMO) with little things like heads up display and roof cover.
So you’re aware the AWD version right below the platinum also has the 87kw usable battery. The difference between these two is simply the pilot 2.0 feature (self park), cooling seats, and the Bose system. The model I am talking about is the evolve+ EForce AWD model. Also only model you can get the northern lights color!
I think the rear window wiper makes it thirsty with all those drag.
When you are driving your car the weather is just the weather. If it is raining cats and dogs then slow down or get off the roadway. If it is windy just keep on trucking but the range will be lower for both ICE cars and EV cars.
Nice Nissan Ariya commercial pre roll
I also can't wait for the weather to get better
The majority who own an EV want to elongate the battery life of their cars and will prefer to drive in eco mode. I am sure it will hit above EPA estimates. With my 2022 Leaf I get 240 miles or more regularly during non-winter months. However CO freeways look almost empty unlike here in NJ/NY region so temptation to drive at high speeds may be greater.
2.9 m/kWh in this trim in windy conditions should mean more like 3+ in the RWD version with the smaller tires which would be somewhere 260+, not bad really as that's a 200+ mile 10-80% battery range.
Love the looks of the Ariya. Too bad on the charging. Man that red is beautiful.
Get in one and examine the interior. Really cheap materials.
I don’t really care about the range beyond zero. Most would just like to know what it can do until 5% displayed SoC.
About 10 miles off from Nissan's claimed range. I wonder why companies throw on such huge wheels after spending so much money on R&D to create such a low coefficient of drag. Seems like 16-18 inch wheels would make more sense to get the best range. Then again range isn't even as big of a deal as charging availability and speed is.
I have this car, and I stopped the video when you locked the speed, how do you operate that one, and how to put on cruise control? Feeling stupid asking, but.. 😂 I really like the car, had it for 2 months. I have the e-4orce model as I live in the mountains, with lots of snow and ice. Will be exciting to see how it does in the winter climate. 👍 Should do another range test below freezing temperatures. I was converting miles to kilometres, and I believe this was really low range. My car has a range of 520kilometres.
Your words say 70 mph, but the dash shows 71 mph. Why is that different?
Maybe the "buffer" is added to compensate battery degradation over many years of ownership because Nissan still doesn't provide threshold to stop charging at 80 or 90% SOC, apparently, Nissan is fine with always charging to 100% on L1 and L2 Chargers. Also, the "buffer" might be usefull if you arrived at near 0% to a L3 DC fast charger and you forgot to manually start the "battery heather" preconditionner at least 30 mins before arriving to the charger to get better charging speed up to 130 KW annonced ... This battery temperature preconditionner may drain more energy below your 0%.
Manufacturers need to get these prices down at least 30% to make this viable. 62k is just ridiculous. I paid 14300 for my 2015 Golf TDI that had 20k on it and it gets 50+ mpg consistently. The Bolt is at least affordable but I'd really like to see that start at about 22k so everyday normal citizens can buy one.
Platinum for some reason is rated 5 miles less than the other levels with the same battery pack. I guess the parts for the motion activated liftgate, climate seat and Bose upgrade add some nice weight.
Looking to lease an Evolve+ e-4orce. Doesnt have those 3 things but also 4k less. 🙂
I simply don't understand how Nissan can have all that data and experience from the leaf but their next EV is so inefficient and far too expensive. What are they thinking?
Inefficient only at very high speeds, I've done more than twice times near 400 miles on a charge in my Ariya driving very efficiently so... the drivetrain is crazy efficient.
@@Cosmycal it sounds like it is you that is efficient, not the Ariya, that’s a skill 👍
If my memory serves correctly, the venture plus model has more empg. As I would love to get one,although my husband isn’t is thrilled as I am 😅
I wonder what it would be like with more mileage under its wheels? My MG ZS wouldn’t give me more than 2.4 miles/ kilowatt hour for the first 3 to 4000 miles. After that. I’ve not seen anything less than 3.2 miles/kWh.
Only worth it with some kind of tax dodge. Here in the UK you can lease thru your employer pre-tax ie save 42% !
"Unless you find a good deal on one"? Really? Just how does one go about finding a "good deal" on a Platinum Ariya? Holding a gun to a Nissan dealer?
Probably lease deals
7500 lease cash right now. Preorder also get old tax credit. So there are good deals to be had. It's worth considering the most expensive model is not for everyone. Battery packs and a ton of features will give a huge swing. This vehicle starts at 44k.
@@ChrisGreenFL I don't think you can buy an Ariya for $44K, that's just the teaser price. Even if you could, the value of a comparable Tesla blows it away, once you consider the superior software, better acceleration, longer battery life and that once a year road trip on the Supercharger Network. Tesla just offers a better product and more value to the new car buyer. Plus, who wants to deal with a Nissan dealership?
I don't know in USA but in Spain I bought my 87kWh FWD top trim Ariya for 48k$ after taxes and before 5k$ subsidies. Seemed a great deal for me, 43k$ is a stellar price for that car.
@@Cosmycal Yeah, that sounds great for the consumer, but the manufacturer is losing a lot on each car, both on U.S. and Spain sales. At least it sounds like the dealerships are not adding too much of their own greed on top of MSRP.
What did the Model Y Performance do for miles when you tested it?
is overpriced of course like mostly everything as of recent , but for me it works bc I drive a lot every day (but not too far from home) and I never would even use even 150miles in a day, even on a very busy driving day , so yeah it does save me plenty on gas , which I was spending about $500-$600 a month, now charging almost every night I’m averaging about $200 a month or less in energy costs on electors bill, and have another gas vehicle if needed for a long trip and really didn’t want to wait the 30-40 mins at charging stations.. and I drive mostly in eco mode for work until I’m done then go back to standard or sport when enjoying the real power . Overall it’s such a nice smooth quiet ride , but it’s a learning experience for sure , maybe go with a hybrid next time around tho , unless by the time I get another and it averages up to about 500 miles per charge , but as of now I love it and it’s an amazing ride.. but yes should have been around 10k less at least, maybe if we weren’t in such inflation times I guess
Great test, thank you! I was looking to buy one of these Arya's as it has great looks and Nissan's a pretty good brand, but, that small range sucks. I'll order the Model Y as the range is much better and has pretty much the same specs, with a larger charging network.
And more fires😂
EVs are great, I love my Model 3 and actually really want the RAM 1500 EV when it comes out but I probably won't get one if the price turns out to be like all the other new EVs, ridiculous. The F150 lightning was supposed to be a pickup for truck people, no pickup truck driver I know wants to spend $80K+ for a truck that loses more than half it's range towing. The F150 is pretty cool but the price kills it.
The prices are high but they remain that way because Ford sells every single one they make and demand is higher than the supply.
Regular pickups lose half their range in towing, too. It just doesn’t take a year to recharge. I think EVs are great for cars and SUVs but pickups need a lot of work if range is a priority. Local work truck use they would be great considering the user can power their tools anywhere….
That said, I have completely converted to EVs and won’t miss all the maintenance and trips to the gas station.
Over $60K, an 87kWh battery, yet it was a stretch to get 240 miles? You'd be nuts not to just get a Tesla Model Y instead.
If you get a model why your nuts are already gone.
Same range for the ariya 63 kWh battery, 240 miles on mixed motorway driving 60 to 70 mph. More efficient. One motor and a lighter battery. I have one and get the range easily.
Japanese cars often had 3 gallons of gas after the guage said empty and the fuel light came on. So, not surprising if the electrics also lied about "empty".
Love how you refer to `turtle mode' Which of course is the car protecting energy consumption, when there's the danger of `flattening' the batteries? Here in the UK it's referred to as `limp mode'
After making a trip from NNJ to San Diego (more than 3000 miles) during the last hot summer (Aug 2024) with my Ariya Platinum which I bought in May 2023, my trip meter (which I reset at the start) showed 3.4m/kw. I drove at 65-70-80 miles/hours depending on what is allowed. I have to disagree with reviewer's observation.
I disagree with your observation
Sticker shock is one thing but I doubt Nissan makes any money off of this car for the next 5 years.
so your feeling is that the evolve+ or empower+ models with fwd only will get better range than the evolve+e-force or platinum+e-force with awd?
This eeked out 240 miles in 67f… what would the tesla MY LR have done, 265-280 miles real world?
I just purchased one. 2023 Ariya FWD Premier which I ditched my 2017 Mercedes Benz E43 AMG for. I got 313 miles on a full charge in standard mode. Never will I buy a gas powered vehicle again
I charged my Ariya Premiere last week to 99% I had over 300 miles. So I don't understand you got 221 miles at 100%.
his is Awd its range is 262 so 240 on the highway at 70 was actually pretty good
I find the results close to Bjørn Nylands test in the winter.
The acceleration curve is AWEFUL. Flat from 0 to 30, then it goes.
My 65kW battery Ariya is pretty decent on average 3.9 to 5.9 efficiency and using D mode w/ e-step
Update: I switched the Ariya into B mode w/e-step ECO mode at 70MPH on I-16 from Statesboro, GA to Atlanta, GA. I stopped in Dublin, GA and then stopped in Macon, GA because of the dead zone between Dublin and Macon. Still the efficiency was awesome.
I think you would have got more range if you had’nt used B mode. That stops the freewheel function, if you had used D in eco you would have got more I think.
So, what you are saying is that in the USA they have a tariff against any cars not built in the country. That’s really old fashioned restrictive practices. Good job Yank cars are so bad, they don’t sell well in Europe, you know, where you have to turn that round thing
Bad top charging speed of 130kw. Horrible drag co-efficiency for a none-truck. Low range for such a large battery. Overpriced. Does Nissan actually make it or is it BYD? Never took electrification seriously. Carlos Ghosn (who brought them back from bankruptcy) had to fight to even make the Leaf, and now he's gone. Nissan's debt rating has been downgraded to Junk by Moody..... Wow. Nissan is in big trouble.
I did not know Ghosn had fought for the Leaf. I have immense respect for the man.
All legacy ice oems are basically gooses cooked. They let tesla byd and other mostly ev startups get to far ahead of them in making evs. 😀
They have to much debt just vw&toyoduh owe more together than any country except the us&China owes as an ENTIRE COUNTRY.
And vag wants to ad another 183billion to that for the transition to mostly evs by 2030.
To many old outdated not easily converted factories, engine plants, transmission plants, ice supply chains etc.
Along with aging, mostly union entitled ice only mindset workforce&exec class.
Hundreds of billions each in debt with junk bond rating, junk credit scores. High interest rates, failing Altman z score.
Debt mostly secured by those same old plants and now about to be legislated out of existence ice vehicle's falling in demand and resale value yoy now. It's gonna get good these next few year's. I say nobody is to big to fail! 👍🏻😎
@@jasertio Oh, yeah. That was all Ghosn. The Japanese counterparts wanted no part of it. The reason they didn't killed it after he left is only because Tesla had grown so much by then and had changed the market to an extent that they were now afraid to kill it. But as you can see, they never did much to improve it until now. The poor 55kw charging speeds; the outdated CHAdeMO technology. Nothing.
Seriously this car is a sad pile of disappointment. Its unfortunate reading some comments from people that seem to be introduced to EV's via this car and think all of them are this bad.
Lol at the double shark fin. No wonder it's 62k
Love the idea of EVs, but I don’t see how these new cars/technology are for the masses with these entry prices.
Still remember buying and driving my 1996 Toyota Corolla to NJ from FL and all over the state of FL and it cost me $2k
Ugh, you got lucky. Large majority of old $2000 vehicles have a lot of issues, let alone passing smog checks. I've had many cars older than 12 years, never trust them for road trips or mountain areas -- you'll get stranded sooner than later.
A lot of engineering effort and time goes into designing a first class efficient EV. Not surprisingly, Nissan opted to take short cuts. Arriya's 240 mile range will degrade closer to 215 miles in a year or two with a 10% loss of battery capacity. If you stick to good battery charging practices (20% to 80%), range drops to around 150 miles. In winter the range could be cut even more depending on the temperature. I would shy away from buying this AWD Arriya given its high cost per range mile ($250 vs ~$180 for the Model Y). I do like where they placed the charging port, though.
Check out the geotab EV database. Leaf loss 1% per year with no battery cooling. Now the Ariya has cooling. I would imagine after testing it's better than Leaf.
I don't think so. I have driven my Leaf close to two years now, and I don't see any battery degradation. I still get the same proven range this spring as much I got in last year. But I have charged only at home at 240v.
@@sajiantony7473 All Lithium batteries will lose capacity with repeated charge-discharge cycles. The rate of capacity loss can be minimized by limiting the depth of discharge, full charging, fast charging, and by avoiding temperature extremes.
@@MsAjax409 Yeah. My daily use is only about >=10%. And once a month about 30%. So charge cycles are minimal.
Thanks everybody. You've managed to make me feel like my £47000 car, that will be with me in a few days, is a complete waste of money
Thanks Kyle.
AWD is always thirsty, unless you live in a snowy mountain, you don't need that. I get 3.6miles/kwh easily in tough weather on 87 with FWD easily.
Ariya's a tall girl. Not surprised it's less efficient
They don't qualify for the new vehicle tax credit, but you can buy them used after 2 years and get $4, 000 if it's less than $25,000. I don't see your requirement for battery origin on the used requirement list on the IRS website. And you can already get a used one with 10,000 mi for around 25 6 months out. This might be my move
They need to make this color combination for the Rogue
Hmm. On you post road review segment, I wonder is the noted wave (or plussing of power) at the end of battery charge could be the induction motor torque ripple effect of an induction motor design?
How funny would it be to have an episode of this where he gets pulled over 😅
I enjoy your range tests very much, but please please state the miles driven more often. Perhaps mention miles driven EVERY TIME that you mention the percentage remaining. (For instance, I believe I’m correct in saying that we don’t even know how many miles you drove after the indicated 0%!) Good otherwise. Thanks. :)
Where is Anna at?
Nissan really designed it to be an introductory ev. Just like I know my ice vehicle can go another 20miles on E… apparently the Ariya works in the same way…
I've hit 240miles in our Ariga with 30% remaining, granted its the 2wd version.
Did not see or hear price mentioned. You're welcome...2023 Nissan Ariya Pricing
The Venture+ model with the extended battery starts at $47,190, and the top Premiere trim for the FWD model begins at $54,690. If you're interested in the e-4ORCE all-wheel-drive powertrain, it's available starting at $47,190 and tops out at the Platinum+ AWD trim starting at $60,190.
holy cats..throw in tax/dest fee and whatever else and you probably are at 65K for the model tested here.
He said it about 2 minutes into the video. $62,700.
@@lesalbro8880 Apologies. I missed that as he usually goes over all prices top to bottom and must have been a quick passing remark. Thanks!