Toyota bZ4X AWD 70-MPH Highway Range Test
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Kyle tests the Toyota bZ4X AWD Limited (US Spec with CATL Battery) in our typical 70-mph highway range test. The vehicle has a 222mi EPA range rating, let's see how far it goes in our test!
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What an awful car
In the 80's, both Toyota and Honda had a 3 gallon "reserve" when the gas guage said dead empty. On those cars, it meant some 90 more miles at highway speed.
(Toyota said this was because if the fuel ran that low, the pump might suck air from the tank, causing backfires and catalyst damage.) But still, they were building in a generous reserve past "empty".
In this case it’s about 5 kWh of “ reserve”…..which is only good for about 15 or so miles.
Hi Kyle. The Toyota bZ4X, Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ450e all have 64 kWh usable available. That is for a NEW condition battery at a normal operating temperature.
Cars sold new in North America with All Wheel Drive (AWD) have CATL cells in the battery, and tend to charge at these ridiculously slow speeds (less than 100 kW), and the charging speed is DRASTICALLY reduced when the battery is cold. The bZ4X with Front Wheel Drive (FWD) has Panasonic cells, and will charge significantly faster (less than 150 kW) than the CATL cell battery.
There is a software update for Europe that changes the “reserve” (when the Guess-O-Meter shows zero miles or km remaining) from 8% (about 5 kWh) battery capacity to 5% (about 3 kWh). The overall usable battery capacity remains 64 kWh. This software is NOT available in North America.
The range would be, therefore ( depending on your energy consumption):
2 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 128 miles
3 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 192 miles
4 miles/kWh * 64 kWh = 256miles
The usable, if we include the 5 kWh reserve is probably closer to 68 kWh in the Bz. Total is about 72 or so. Toyota won’t let you totally dip into the capacity and “ run it dry”. Very conservative battery management.
@@letsgobrandon5800 , no, that’s not correct. 64 kWh is useable both before and after the software update. There is 8% “reserve” before the software update (not currently available in North America), which leaves about 59 kWh until the Guess-O-Meter (GOM) shows zero, and about 5 kWh “reserve”. For cars in Europe with the software update, the reserve is reduced to 5%, or about 3 kWh, which allows 61 kWh available until the GOM shows zero… MORE RANGE (but not really).
No, there isn’t “68 kWh” available under ANY circumstance, but there may be 64 kWh available as the battery degrades. Toyota did a similar scheme with the 2012-2014 Toyota RAV4 EV.
@@QCCHARGE Bjorn’s car was approx 68-69 kWh pack usable , with total of about 72-73. His was not an American BZ4.
I can’t conceive why they are doing the same mistakes that manufacturers did previously with their first ev. It’s like they are in their bubble and not seeing what’s happening in the rest of the world. Amazing
A few years ago you would never hear someone saying - glad I bought my Kia or Hyundai and not a Toyota - but not the case now. Our Ioniq 5 seems so much better in about every way, build, range, charging speed, software and power... I have already seen bz4x's showing up in carmax ads with under 2000 miles so people are giving them 2-3 months and saying nope...
You still won't other then idiots who forget the most important part: it's a toyota, it'll outlive the planet itself, id trust a kia/Hyundai as far as I could throw it, same for all the other bev manufacturers
@@mysteryboyee that's fine but you haven't driven the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60, & GV70. South Koreans have executed on BEV's, you can choose to believe it, or not.
Please do the 10% challenge on the Bolt EV!!!
You are too kind, Kyle. Toyota needs to work hard to improve this car with serious updates.
In Canada the BZ4X is much more competitively priced and it gets the full federal and provincial EV tax credits which in BC amounts to $9000 cdn. You can get a 2023 FWD version, after taxes for under 50 grand Cdn (if you can find one...), which is a steal. The FWD version with the 18in tires should get at least 10% more range than with the 20in tire AWD version with a smaller battery pack. The FWD version is fully completive with the M3/MY RWD versions along with the small battery RWD versions of the Mach-E and i5/EV-6 RWD versions.
And it has normal door handles. A fairly decent EV. Nice angular lines.
@@marcg1686 do the wheels stay on?
@@letsgobrandon5800 Yes, they do now.
I got FWD for $48k CAD (taxes included) in Quebec. Price seems good
50K robbery
5hours to charge?… where are all Toyota haters and the Media slamming Toyota on a daily basis?
Oh, I get it. Doing so won’t get clicks
I'm surprised at the technical shortfall for Toyota. My BMW i4 gets up to 4.1 miles/kwh (vs 3 for the Toyota).
Toyota is still upgrading the car Björn Nyland has shown that in his tests recently
@@alanmay7929 Still pure junk. No update can save this disaster of a car.
@@alanmay7929 This is still a dev platform - for customers - for the next generation they should be much better
@@Harrythehun yeah that’s what a kid can say! Your tesla didn’t get there in one day so keep talking trash! I’m not a fan of either brand but improvement is what works so cheers!!
@@alanmay7929 it’s not about fandom. Facts don’t lie.
You convinced me that my 3 year old Bolt is superior in every respect including charging and at half the price. Hopefully Toyota's much vaunted engineering and build quality will catch up to everyone else.
they intentionally throttled down the charging to ensure these ones LAST. It's a trade off, but I understand why they did it
I guess any time you can drive a bZ4X over 200 miles without a wheel falling off counts as a win.
LOL, Solterra too. Bad lugs or nuts cost them 18 months of production.
The lady that cleans our house has a BZ and she is really happy with it. She said she charges it mostly at home and they use her husband’s Tacoma for their road trips. We live in Huntsville, AL and she drives it back and forth to Nashville, TN with no issues and on a single charge.
Im driving to Orlando from Atlanta tomorrow morning. And thank god there are about 50 fast chargers on the way there. So Im not having any range anxieties but how long its going to take. Where the hell is the software update.
What is the app you used for battery monitoring? Will it work on a Tesla??
Its interesting to watch the prices decrease on this vehicle. Unfortunately, I think they should wait and not duplicate this vehicle. They can wait until 2025 when they have the 600 mile range solid battery EV. Allegedly, they're working on that now.
No wonder if is on lease $189/month with $2999 signing , 10k/year!!
Worst electric car I've ever seen
When you do the math for example with a Tesla you'll be buying tires every 6 months charging a Tesla at a supercharger is not cheap getting parts for your Tesla only the Tesla dealer they got a good scam going on at Tesla why do most people after about a year end up trading in their Tesla's and go back to gasoline vehicles that's a fact
3hrs charge? oMG
I really enjoy these test videos. Cuts through all the corporate bullshit.
he needs the clean his windshield before filming!
Bjørn Nyland tested the new sw and talked at length about the improved DCFC throttling logic. It works on a point system and he called it “Punishment Points”. Pretty interesting once you know the logic, you can count “Punishment Points” in order to plan your trip. Still a ridiculous system but power users are starting to figure it out.
We'll have to see how the new software is with the CATL battery too.
Bjorn enjoys that sort of detail, but ordinary drivers will avoid all the issues by simply not buying this useless car
BZ4X power users. What a concept.
Really appreciate all you do Kyle to keep us informed about all things EV. We test drove a long range Model Y. It was very impressive and we will probably make the jump soon. I have a 12 year old Toyota ICE Highlander now and at 79 years old, I'm ready to make the move to EV. It seems to me that Tesla has by far the best DC charging infrastructure. They seem to make the most sense right now
Just beware of Tesla reliability, which hopefully Toyota will beat with greater EV range in the future.
NACS charging in question now that the muskhole has fired the entire network building team, 500 people, in the last couple days. That said, there are also still other networks to choose from, and home charging is the go-to unless road tripping anyway.
Nobody does testing procedures as well as Kyle. Thank you for the extra effort you put in to make sure these tests are as accurate as possible.
Bjorn does better
Maybe for US But for Europe Bjorn Nyland does a very comprehensive test .
@@letsgobrandon5800 Bjorn puts in fudge factors like subtracting time when he feels like the Charger took longer than he likes. He doesn’t keep his procedures consistent at all. He guesstimates on way too many things.
@@LearningFast is that why he has a ton more subscribers than Kyle? Asking for a friend.
@@letsgobrandon5800 I think the EU demanded a larger subscriber count.
Such a strange instrument cluster....
at least it has one. ;)
@@petehelme7714 I like cars without them. Much cleaner, less distracting. More focus on the road.
Very good review. I have the Subaru version of this car (Solterra Limited) and love it, for the reasons you said while driving this car. The ride is great and it is very comfortable. Some people have commented that they don't like the display that is in front of the steering wheel, but for me it is one of my favorite things about the car. I knew going in that the range wasn't that great and the charging was slow. But for my lifestyle, charging at home is almost 100% of what I will be doing. I think the Limited version of the Solterra (Premium is the entry and Touring is the top trim) is just at the right price point. When I bought it (mid-May) it was about 5-7k less than either the cheapest AWD Model Y (they have since dropped in price) and the cheapest AWD Ioniq 5 or EV6. The only things close to it were the ID4 and Mach-E (which was nearly impossible to get close to where I live), and I liked the looks of the Solterra better than the ID4. So for me, it was the cheapest way to get into an AWD EV SUV, and I have had no regrets since buying it. Mine was also made later than the ones during the recall, so the battery problem hasn't been a factor for me.
The Mach E driver is obviously an ex BMW driver. Judging by the way he parked
Great review! Wish we had seen this sooner as we just bought a BZ4X last week. Nevertheless, we absolutely love the car. We knew that the range was a lot smaller compared to the other direct competitors out there, and that the charging may be a bit slower (?) but I wonder if there's a new update or will be a new update for that. For what it's worth, we got the car about $13,000 below MSRP. They applied the $7,500 credit in California so that's a win, and we got it for the invoice price from the dealer. So from a financial standpoint, it made sense, as the monthly payment was a lot cheaper (more than half) in comparison to a Tesla. With that said, the good thing is we don't travel far that often. When we do, it's like once every 3 months. I think this car is great for us given that I work from home most of the time, and when I'm at the office it's literally 8 miles away. The same for my fiance, her job is literally 8-10 miles away 3x a week. We're even using a level 1 at home (for now), and we're able to get the car at 90% the next morning. In regards to far drives, the good news is I love taking breaks (I have IBS - sorry for TMI), so I don't mind hanging out for a bit charging the car.
I’m in Calif as well. Where did you buy the car? 13k below MSRP? That’s unheard of nowadays
@@robertf3340 north Hollywood!
@@ggpaul562 Thanks for the info brother. Have a blessed day
Still a fantastic car and now after the latest update it charges faster and the range is improved
@user-ru2he7tm2t they have several of them at my local dealer. We don’t want one
Another great effort and video. I've owned only Toyota vehicles for the past 40 years. Recently bought a GV60 and sold our 2010 RX350. Current trends at Toyota will probably end our future purchases of their vehicles. As a retired person in the late 50s, the GV60 fits our lifestyle perfectly. Our recent trip from Los Angeles to Yosemite, was the first of many EV adventures to come.
29:55 gives the answer, 212 miles, which is close to what Bjorn got out of this.,…..,absolutely pitiful range compared to others in its class.
Yes you can beat it with a Bolt for half the price.
@@SkaBob Also 2 kW at 95%? What the hell was Toyota thinking with this car????
The fact that the VW software is better than this car is really saying something.
and...they got much better the last 3 months (VW), looks like they get their stuff together
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Heheh. yah... except my ID.4 recall repairs, which includes updating the software, is currently scheduled for October. October 2024 that is. Not even this year! That said, the VW software bugs only amount to minor annoyances. They get amplified by EV review channels, but they aren't really show-stoppers for actually using the vehicle.
..and the id.4 rear windows work. Albeit with only a pair of window switches.
Version 3.1 the 2022 and 2023 ID.4s have is pretty good honestly. 2021s are getting updated to that version too.
I agree, it does say something. Confusing software from dash screen to the center screen is dangerous to the car and passengers. EV cars and battery technology have a long way to go. If you can't just get in a car and drive, in my opinion is just not worth buying. I will stick to my hybrid car
At 29 minutes of the video, the rear windows don't work? What? The ultimate crappy car. Buying a Tesla or an ID 4 seems to be the best option...
Keep in mind, Toyota is guaranteeing 90% capacity over 10 years. This is why the battery performance does not match some of the other competitors out there
Garbage car by a company stuck in the mindset of GM in the 1980’s
A company making cars for countries where EVs won't be a thing for the next 20 years.
Eco climate probably turns on the seat cooler because it's more efficient to cool just your butt than it is to cool the whole cabin!
Why anyone would buy this Ev over any of the competitors I have no idea. 8 KW took two hours? That’s insane. The whole car sucks compared to competitors. Only Toyota fan boys or girls should buy this garbage
Hey @OutofSpecReviews. Just read on InsideEVs that the 2024 BZ4X AWD models now charge at 150KW and have retuned charging software. Hoping you could do a review to see if this shows any improvement in previous poor showings.
Fantastic test by Kyle as usual. I feel sorry for the North American market and the CATL battery packs. The UK Spec AWD is Panasonic and is a superior experience. That DC charging to 100% at the star of the video was horrible. AC charging to 100% is much faster on the Panasonic pack. My average for June so far is 4.2miles/kWh with about 250miles range (usually with ECO on and AC off). I got the software update 3 weeks ago - the guessometer / climate control / AC is now more accurate and I think we they moved about 3% of reserve into the main battery. I should say that I rarely do motorway miles and that so far I'm loving the BZ4X experience.
Toyota: See? EV cars suck.
Everyone else: Hydrogen cars suck.
Oh my gosh - I knew from all the conversations that the charging scenarios for the Soltera/BZ4X twins was bad but, hold crap - that's just unbelievably poor
Definite HARD PASS on this thing. It's almost like they went out of their way, to make it as bad as it is. And what's with these reviewers using Celsius?? We don't use that over here.
I think they made a half assed EV just to discourage people from buying EV. Something you would never have heard in 2015....Glad I bought my Hyundai and not a Toyota.
I believe Leaf deg is primarily due to poor chemistry and no charge limit. My e-Golf has no active cooling, either, but I daily charge to 80% or 90% and after 5 years and 55,000 miles the pack has about 8% deg.
OEMs don't seem to get that the numbers that matter for EV viability/practicality have very little to do with the vehicles performance, it's all about the charging. Infrastructure and charge performance are everything. Now don't get me wrong, the vehicles matter, that's the other half of the equation, but when you're targeting the "practical" market, you can't just ignore the most important part. This car is going to flop unfortunately imo.
Toyota is trying to prove their point: "EVs suck. Look, they can only charge on DC for 2 or 3 times before they stop charging. Hybrids and Hydrogen are so much better." If only they can convince the other EV manufacturers to restrict their EVs to do the same, it could work. NOT!!!!!!!
😂🤣👍
Such an ignorant take. Toyota plays it safe. Their brand Image is reliability and longevity. They rather lose customers from slow charging, then early battery issues. So they use conservative battery management and give one million kilometers warranty on the battery pack.
@@simson4t but what's the point of wanting to deliver those claims if almost no-one drive such mileage? It would have been better to give the customers an option for speed or longevity like Porsche does
@@simson4t "So they use conservative battery management and give one million kilometers warranty on the battery pack." Yes, thats why they are being bought in Norway. But the norwegians do not have problems with their batteries. Never had any.
Toyota already faces major lawsuits because they can not keep their promises, not with charging, not wieth range, not with power and certainly not with rust free.
They do not need "conservative battery management", which is of course Humbug.
BMW has similar DC fast charge restrictions.
It cost you $3 but cost you two hours? What's minimum wage out there? (Ahem)
For me, my time is worth far more than money.
60-65 MPH is ideal for people willing to admit that energy resources are finite. A sane nation would end the 80 MPH speed limit. Too much fuel/juice is being wasted on impatience.
The overhead 360 camera fills in the parking lot under the car? That's a pretty cool feature! Watch at the 8:55 mark. 8:55
Thanks, Kyle. Not too far off of EPA, which is really my standard for EVs at this point. Getting close to EPA Combined miles at 70 mph steady driving speeds should really be the minimum bar.
My 2014 Tesla Model S P85D got 213.5mi last time I did a 70mph range test and charged from 0 - 100% in 1 hour and 54 minutes (with a broken louvre). Congrats Toyota, you're where Tesla was 9 years ago 🤣
You are conveniently forgetting the price difference (in today's inflated dollars).
Hmmm. How much was Model S P85D in 2014, and how much would that be worth today?
And what's the actual selling price (after dealer markup) of BZ4X in the version that Kyle tested?
I'm guessing those two numbers will be pretty close. But for a much fairer comparison, look at Model S 85, without the P and the D. I'll bet that comes out about the same as upper trim BZ4X after inflation adjustment.
@@davidmenasco5743 funny you guys compare apple to orange, if you wanna compare, then its Model X not Model S. And no the prices wont be even close specially with the “inflation”.
@@BA-ht8bg Oops!! I was thinking backwards on the inflation, lol.
But still, the 2014 Model S 85 has longer range, faster charging and actually almost the same cargo space with seats up, and MORE with seats folded down. Plus a big frunk. You can find them on sale used today for around $23,000. If you bought one, you could replace the battery and suspension and come out with a better car for the same price as a new BZ4X. But then again, the battery would be fine for another several years so really no need to fuss with that.
@@davidmenasco5743 like i was saying, you cant compare apple with orange, model S is not a SUV, model x is, and it costed twice as bz4x back in 2014. And no sane person will buy a used model s and pay $20k to replace battery, with a big chance of many other important and expensive components be needing replacement like drive motors, AC compressor, suspension parts…
Let's hope that no rental company is ever thinking of getting those added to their EV fleet. For somebody that only charges at home and only drives within the neighborhood that car might be an option. For anybody else, especially trying to replace their ICE car, it would be a "stay away from this" recommendation.
Is it possible that eco mode is cooling the seats because that's more efficient than cooling all of the air?
Same price as a Tesla model Y? It should be better than it is.
This is more expensive than the equivalent Model Y.
@@LearningFast lol😅
@@LearningFast When it costs more it must be better. I just can‘t find the points which make it better. But maybe i am not a Toyota Fanboy? Oh well. Nobody is perfect.
$52k for a measly 213 miles?
I just checked the Out of Spec range test for the Bolt EV in May 2020 and it went 229 miles - a car that Tom Moloughney from the State of Charge channel is buying brand new for $16k. How can Toyota release a brand new model that cannot go as far as one you can buy for $36k less and was released in 2016?
Toyota are a joke
Is there a more disappointing BEV for sale today? I kind of doubt it.
Like Kyle mentioned, this will likely be a great deal as a used car if you can get it for 1/2 to 2/3rds of what it cost new. But for the price you pay to get a new one, there are so many other better EV's out there that unless you badly want a Toyota EV, you should just get one of those alternatives he mentioned like the Mach-E, Model Y, Ioniq 5, or EV6.
This car should've came out back in 2018 at the latest if Toyota wanted it to sell well.
I'm now at 21 minutes on this video and it's still a crappy car. Obviously Toyota is not remotely serious about creating a decent EV. What a travesty for the world's biggest auto manufacturer with decades of reliable autos. Very disappointing.
Bjorn calculated 5 kWh hours available below a stated zero. He actually got less than 212 miles, but very close.
This car is a modern POS. my hyundai ioniq 5 will ac charge and peg at 11.3 kwh up to 100% which is the max of my ac charger. When can we shame people at fast chargers that have these crappy cars? This car is the equivalent of a gas car where someone just ticks off the fill with .01 gallon a sec.
even at 70mph in California they are running you over if they see you in a electric car
This is why I don't use I-5 when going north. I-5 is like Talledega on 2 lanes with unskilled drivers. I hate I-5 north of Bakersfield...
No one drives 70 mph any more. 80 is de rigeur.
The BiZzy ForX is all forked up... if you NEVER need to use it for a trip then it looks to be okay, though the user interface looks to be way behind the competition. As noted its features and functions do not match up with comparably priced EVs available today.
Toyota has placed themselves WAY behind the game in the EV world. If they don't step up their game really fast they're going to be in deep trouble as the industry leaves them behind.
You can get an Kia Evo 6 GT with that same range but at least have a nice performance vehicle.
Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
No over the air update? What year is this?
Toyota.
This car should not exist. Considering their new leadership and direction, Toyota will drop this car like a bad habit soon.
I'm 7 minutes into this video. What a crappy car. I would never buy one...
I'm 4+ mins into this & my conclusion is that toyo has dropped the ball. What a joke.
When you talk to Toyota, you should really make them aware this car is WAY overpriced. I think the price should start similar to the new Prius. If the car was $15k to $20k cheaper, it would be a no brainer!
I really appreciate the effort and lengths you go to for all of your testing videos Kyle. You are genuinely the man. Regarding this car though, I seriously don't see how anyone could recommend this car. The price and the charging are terrible. Really terrible! You and Mckayla(sp?) weren't even impressed with the interior materials and the software is another let down. Strike after strike after strike, Hard pass!
And somehow Subaru will try to market this as a capable off-road adventure machine.
It’ll be an adventure alright LOL
lol @ the Mach-E driver's parking job.
Two hours charging time is stupid because my time must be worth a lot more than yours.
Texas Plate : "Get 666" Really Toyota ?
Toyota, Nissan, and Hyundai/Kia dropped the ball on EVs. All sell their cars through dealers with massive markups and don’t qualify for $7500 tax credit.
Great video! like and subscribed!
Seeing how bad this car is for drivetrain and charging I can see why Toyota thinks EVs aren’t the complete future. Too bad for them everyone else is light years ahead of them.
I would love to see you test out how motor and battery temperature affect efficiency. Yes, low battery temperatures reduce efficiency but through some testing I have done it also looks like high motor temperatures and even high battery temperatures will reduce efficiency. At least with a Tesla vehicle fast charging right before the test is detrimental to the efficiency. When you Precondition at home with scheduling it always tries to maintain temps between 70-80 degrees F. That is actually the ideal temperatures for efficiency. However, if you precondition for supercharging then the motor and battery temps can exceed 130 degrees F even after you are done charging. I would love to see you test this.
Toyota wants your car to last forever. Thats why they are doing this. Your tesla will be in the dumbyard after a few years with fast charging and great range., but then bz4x will simply in the roads.
I was going to buy thing. Thank fully I didn't. Toyota has made a frustrating EV. It may be ok for In-City Driving but i'd not take it on a road trip.
The number on the dash seems to be based on the total fuel economy of the vehicle. I have the 2023 Prius with a similar range estimate, having done some idling shortly after I got it drastically dropped what that estimate says and it has slowly gone up since then even when my trips get identical fuel economies.
As with heating, more efficient to direct more AC to the seats rather than the cabin.
Kyle..Toyota wants the charging experience to be SO BAD that you buy a their ICE cars....in my opinion.
@michalwilk8135
3 months ago
Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
People wont buy Toyota ICE....they'll go elswhere to a different brand
Toyota ought to be ashamed of themselves just a Tesla.
I bought the bz4x in April 2023 brand new. I used to get a range of at least 225 fully charged. It’s now January 2024 and I’m only getting 185 fully charged. It has not even been a year and the miles are dropping. Is this normal for a EV? Is there something I could do to bring that number back up?
I feel ya man 🤦🏾♂️ maybe raise tire pressure to 44 psi or higher. And try draft with adaptive cruise control behind a semi. These two things make/made a world of a difference in my long range driving 😊
I still can't get over the 84kw DC is the best it's ever done and requires below 0% indicated. A Chevy Bolt with 6 year old tech will 0-100% charge faster without capping the # of DC charges per day. I enjoyed my old ice toyotas reliability but wow that's such a shame. I don't think I'll be buying any Toyota EVs until they are reasonable for road tripping. Pardon me while I bury my toyota fan self head in the sand. I'm now an older Tesla model 3 standard range and one prius owner and so glad I didn't wait for and buy this. I was really hopeful Toyota would have done better considering how long they have been in the hybrid biz. Come on Toyota, you can do way better than this.
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@michalwilk8135
3 months ago
Tested by Bjorn Nyland Norway after update. 140 kw charging sppeed 3,8 per day. It is perfect now. Could be better ofcours.
@@jeagleAL That's with a Panasonic battery pack that has a 150kW charging capacity, not the CATL pack that only supports 100kW (though it is SEVERELY throttled by Toyota software).
When GM has discontinued the Bolt, which put up arguably better numbers for about $25K, this is 100% DOA for anyone paying attention. A neighbor just bought a Nissan Ariya, so I guess there will always be a sucker out there though.
He will defend his choice of junk till his death. Humans are incapable of admitting defeat or wrong decisions.
Just like the Fiero and EV1, leave it up to GM to phuc it up once they create a decent vehicle. Bunch of dummies.,.,
People don’t understand any of this stuff maybe basic range but kw hours? Mi/kw? They don’t really understand these things.
@@ben3989 Then they will either learn it or always be scammed and loose all of their money.
Either you learn the lingo, stay out of the business or get buggered and ridiculed by everyone else.
kWh = the capacity of your battery. The amount you charge (+), the amount you use while driving (-)
mi/kWh = how far you can go with one load.
kW = Power, the more the better
h = one hour
mi = one mile
10-80% the usual range in which you charge your car. Not below 10% not above 80%. Why? To maintain a long lasting battery.
They do not ever want to go to zero and stay there - if you do that you destroy your battery, which usualy means you destroy your car. And in extreme cases of mishandling your batteries you may destroy your house.
They do not want to stay @ 100% - except for LFP type batteries, but they are currently rarely used. Again: If you do that too often you destroy your battery and in extreme cases your garage and house.
The Germans have a nice saying to that "Steht er dann lädt er". Which means every time your car is parked and can be plugged in - you plug it in and charge to 80 or 90%.
I always charge to 90% with my Teslas, they are good enough for less safety. And the standard Teslas have LFP batteries and can be charged to 100% permanently without giving you troubles.
Learn this or stop using a car by yourself.
surely once the car drops to 3kw in Dc it would make sense to change over to AC. My egolf charges at full 7kw right up to almost 98% when it starts to throttle back
Thanks for your coverage of these issues-good job!
I’ve seen you use an OBD2 app for monitoring EV battery and charging system variables. Is either the OBD adapter or the app special with regard to EV monitoring? Please advise…
He mentioned the name of the app in the video, but I've used Torque Pro to monitor my Chevy Bolt before. You do have to teach the software what messages on the CAN bus mean what things and that can be a little unusual with EVs - there are published PID lists for several bits of software out there and more EV-centric software already looks for them.
Any OBD2 adapter that is compatible with your phone is likely fine. All EVs send signals on the CAN bus that a basic adapter can understand - even Tesla (though in a Tesla you will require a sub-$20 hardware adapter to hook up a standard OBD2 reader).
This was a great test but now I wonder if the typical HVAC wasn't used - how much more range. I have had my BZ for a year. No regrets whatsoever. Typical Toyota to be conservative on every parameter to extend vehile life and enhance reliability. They do this on evey ICE vehicle but guess what, once you modify and tune it, a ton more available "under the hood" - at the expense of reliability, of course. I keep my cars for at least 10 years. I have the same goal for the BZ. This philosophy didn't change with the BZ. I learned how to not drive it like an ICE vehicle, use the heated steering wheel, radiant heaters, heated/cooled seats instead of the typical cabin climate control. AC is okay to use since it doesn't use as much energy as a heater. Leverage alternative ways to stay comfortable - it isn't an ICE vehicle, after all. I have almost 12k miles on mine. It is very comfortable on long commutes. The most practical vehicle I have owned. Stays within well marked lanes, quiet, smooth, and just a joy to drive. Its infotainment is okay, but that is always the case with every Toyota I have owned. It is a non-factor to me because I use Andorid Auto. Yes charging is slow but with the way I drive it, 140 to 200 mile round-trip commutes are not a problem. Hop on the DC fast charger for half an hour while I have my lunch for extra security and get home comfortably without any performance limitations. I am averaging 3.3 miles per kW. It is just a matter of time a software update is available to improve charging performance or a 3rd party figured out how to "tune" the charging algorithm at the expense of the 10 year warranty on the battery. I have also had zero issues with my BZ since the recall too. It is just as dependable as my Tacoma, Sienna, and past Toyotas.
You shouldn’t have to baby a $52k car in order for its performance to be barely acceptable. If I’m cold in my EV, I turn the heating on until I’m comfortable. But then again it has decent range to start with and doesn’t charge at a snail’s pace. And you have 10 years of this nonsense to get through, bizarre choice
@bill_heywood I don't baby it at all I just use alternative means of staying comfortable. With the alternative means of heating, I am rather comfortable. With the typical means of staying warm, it actually works so well it gets a bit stuffy, but it is rather wasteful - energy wise. Alternative means to warm the cabin is required since as you maybe know, it takes a lot of energy to create heat without an ICE. It is what it is, can't beat physics.
@@Bopet-dn4yk I’m glad you are a happy owner and it works for you. I still think it is seriously compromised due to poor decisions and implementation by Toyota and is wildly overpriced
@bill_heywood Yup, very happy customer here. Works exactly for my needs. The best part for you, you have options, Hyundai, VW, BMW, MB, Porsche, Nissan, Lucid, Rivian, and Tesla. I am sure you can find one that fits your needs and budget.
@@Bopet-dn4yk I’m in the UK so I have even more options than that (but no Rivian or Lucid). I’m a happy MG4 driver 😊
How Toyota released such a crappy car?
You should upgrade the scanner software to send some $$ to the developer(s). They deserve it.
I would also like to say that going from an ICE car to the Solterra was an easy transition.
Imagine just being able to swap out for a fully charged battery ..Hmmmm,I heard someone is doing that very thing.
I actually saw one on the road here in Denmark, though I really don't get why anyone would buy this car. Toyota really screwed up here. They now have a really bad reputation to fight for their next EV...
Imagine if that charging station was pay by the minute. Toyota really needs to address this issue with the charging.
9:15 I laughed at that Mach-e Parking two spots 🤣
Charging any electric car can be a big problem my friend had an electric car for a year he says never again will he ever buy an electric car broken chargers people blocking the chargers power outages he said you can have it never again you can keep them electric golf carts brother
a lot of these used are going for 20-25k with around 10k-30k miles. Worth it then?
What is with the back windows not working? Toyota QC has dropped to a new low. Living in ND, I couldn't get to a large town and back. I wonder if 30 below zero would make a difference in mileage? This car is a disaster. $50,000 is an outrage. Not for me.
Toyota was far ahead with HEVs but massively dropped the ball on EVs. Disastrous mistake.
In some respects I would say this isn’t a fair test for the Toyota. It was too optimistic for the vehicle. No one would EVER wait as long as you did to charge the vehicle to 100%.
What good is the extra capacity if you have to jump through such impossible hurdles to actually be able to utilize it?
Consumer reports did it. I guess 50% of all CR consumers will do the same. Drive to EVGo and charge to 100%. Every time. 5 hours. I guess we will soon hear of the first peaceful deaths @ EVGo chargers.
What if your next DC Fast Charger is so far away you need to get past 90 percent SOC??