Maybe it’s because they want to add different technologies. Not everyone is going to make EVs. You should be glad. Anymore and California won’t have electricity
The thing is, for an actual EV owner, who in many cases charges overnight at home, and who use the vehicle’s system to tell them when to charge if they’re going on a road trip, it’s not a matter of driving until the battery is at zero. And the reality for most people is that their vehicle is used to drive ~50 miles each day within the community that they live, so they’re only needing to trickle charge to top up the battery each night. I’m the first person to say that if you have to drive 300 miles each day or you’re regularly driving 500-1000 miles, today’s EV’s are probably not a good option. But the VAST majority of people don’t require this kind of range and could be very happy owning just about any EV.
Agreed. I just purchased my first EV, an Ioniq 5, about 2 months ago. Tomorrow will be my first extended drive in it to go visit family for Christmas. Up until now, my wife has been driving her 16 mi round trip work commute with it, and then on the weekends for errands, etc. We just charge it at home when needed. We’ll see how this weekend goes.
@@bartwaggoner2000agreed on the Subayota garbage. Toyota should be embarrassed by this thing, for its poor power and efficiency, not to mention crap looks.
While you aren’t wrong I think owning an entire car you can only use locally for most instances is not helping your carbon footprint, but I guess if you legitimately don’t travel it’s an option
@@bartwaggoner2000 ha! Vehicle warranty really negates those costs over that length in time. Biggest expenses you'll more than likely have with any car is replacement of tires and brakes and EVs have both of those. Oil changes are 60-80 bucks. Tire rotations will need to be done on an EV as well so no saving that 20 bucks. Brake fluid flush? Well, you got to do that in an EV too! 200 dollars. So barring doing some serious driving you will likely have the warranty for a full 5 years for the drivetrain which is where the major expenses rear their ugly head if something goes wrong. Really, your major savings for an EV is if you use it only as a commuter car and charge it at home. Maintenance, I really don't see the cost savings. Maybe if you're into buying 5 year old cars, but after 10 years EV's batteries start to become questionable and a replacement of one of those is like 20k and you're just better off looking for your next used car at those prices which may be difficult because your EV is worthless versus ICE vehicles you can rig things together such as pulling a used engine out of another car and dropping it into yours.
There was a dealer in NJ that I saw that had a comparably equipped ICE Blazer RS for about $53k - which if you qualify for the tax credit means that both vehicles would be about the same price.
Anyone who buys a blazer EV deserves what they get. Software update means tow to dealer, no gas station, poor GM quality people have come to be proud of because they can’t cry.
This is typical for Chevrolet. I have a 2016 Volt that in the summertime shows up to 60 miles range after 70k miles, EPA rating was 53 for new. I also have a 2019 Bolt that show the EPA rating of 258 miles at a little less than 80% charge a full charge will show > 300. Chevy under promises and over delivers. I do think that Chevy has cracked the code on regen.
I don't understand why you guys never use the navigation system to predict how much range you'll have at your destination. I don't know about the other two cars you are testing, but I know the Tesla and Polestar EVs allow you to put in multiple destinations and it predicts how much range you'll have at each using hills, weather, temperature, etc. to predict accurately
I pay $60 a month on gas with my toyo hybrid driving 15K miles a year. I don’t understand the point of EVs right now except to be convinced car companies are in the learning stage STILL and are overcharging for every car. This car was forced on them.
@@romeolongoria8730because hybrids are inherently inefficient due to carrying multiple power sources and are inherently more likely to catch fire than ICE cars. I think they have a place, especially PHEVs and depending on each persons use case. If you’re driving a small number of miles and can charge at home there is no advantage to carrying around a big gas motor you’re never using and some hybrids don’t offer much more mileage vs the ICE only counterpart. Lots of factors.
@@romeolongoria8730 that's $720 in fuel for 15k miles and the cost of two oil changes. If you had a EV that could average 4 miles/kwh charging at home at .06/kw or free at neighbors/relatives and shopping/dining would cost you are $200...
Just a reminder that the range shown by Tesla near the battery icon is a fixed proportion to the battery level (i.e. if full is 300miles, at half it show 150, regardless of driving style/conditions); it's better left to just show battery percentage really. If you want an "estimator" based on recent drive like the other cars, just check the energy applet, that is also very transparent in that it let you choose a window of the last 5, 10 or 30 miles (in others car you also have to guess on what they base their "guesstimations" on, so it's an added guess). And last but not least, if you have a destination set, you get a spot-on estimate you can bet your trip on, that consider elevation, temperatures, wind, etc.
@@sprockketsnot really. The range estimate is known to many in the EV community as the “guess-o-meter.” The problem with the range estimate is that it’s going off of recent averages and adjusting as your current drive average is worked into the calculation. This causes issues. For example, if your car is really efficient in your commute but then the next day you take a rad trip you might go from averaging 4.5 mi/kw to 2.7 but the guess-o-meter tells you you’ve got plenty of range to get where you’re going…until it starts dropping 5 miles of range for every mile you travel. This happens to me whenever I road trip my non-tesla EV. Instead I have use apps or prior experience to calculate the efficiency and plan my trip around those projections and battery %. A Better Route Planner is good for this. But, Tesla’s nav system is better. I haven’t experienced the same issues with Tesla’s I’ve rented.
Yea I was very confused hearing that. If you know you're going a long distance... then why wouldn't the average driver put it into the long distance mode?? Not sure why that seemed so unrealistic lol.
Because the vehicles were all left in their more or less default mode. The Tesla still did 3.82 Kwh which is very good. Unfortunately, until the Tesla board dumps Elon, I will not buy one. Happy with my Mach-E.
My model Y actually gets worse efficiency in chill mode. Maybe it’s how I drive but not using chill mode gets me 4 miles per kWh. In chill mode I average 3.8-3.9. 🤷🏻♂️
@@davetravels9273I had the Bolt EUV and Now I have 2024 model y rwd long range. I get 4.5 from bolt euv Model y 4.1-4.5 chill mode I drive both the same way keep it on the speed you like without accessive acceleration you will get more efficient..
yeah, I was watching one of Out Of Spec Reviews' videos, and Kyle was mentioning a lot of people were not liking the Soltera/BZ4X as a rental. They've had to be towed to chargers quite a bit, due to insufficient range for cold weather and Elevation in Utah and Colorado.
I know Teslas usually fall under their range ratings, but it was a little misleading to use a Model Y Performance with custom wheels and non-OEM tires. I've watched several YT videos and wheel/tire choice makes a huge difference on consumption, especially compared to the 19" Gemini wheels with the aero caps on the LR. The Supercharger network is why we chose a MYLR. All of the horror stories about EA and other dysfunctional chargers made it a pretty easy choice.
You should also mention the tires being used. It appears that the Model Y was running cross climate 2 tires, which have significantly more rolling resistance than standard Tesla tires, and likely contributed to decreased efficiency and range.
And using the newish Hankook Ion EV tires reviews say they provide about 6% more range than the OEM Continentals which do better then the cross climates
Exactly right. First thing I noticed in this video and never heard it mentioned. Tire compound makes a substantial difference in efficiency. Those winter tires are guaranteed to eat up some efficiency. A Performance model was probably not the best choice for this comparison either as a Long Range would have been more appropriate in my opinion.
@@cypvh74 thanks for the correction. However, the are still not the appropriate compound for a Model Y Performance. The arrow in those aftermarket wheels also plays a role. OEM Tesla Wheels have aero benefits but those 21 inch wheels are quite heavy.
Yes. I drive a Model Y LR in the UK and my highway driving on Autopilot gives me 300 miles of range with a little spare, which means I stop twice for top ups and bathroom breaks on my regular 660-mile round trip with . I have never tested how far the car would drive at 0% battery!
4:00 Wait, why wouldn't a normal person in a real world scenario use the Eco mode in their EV while road tripping? I feel like range anxiety being such a thing in EVs would result in most people doing that.
This test had some of the most challenging conditions I can think of for an EV; cold temperature, long steep climbs and long range. It seems to me they all handled pretty well, even the Toyota was OK if you work within the constraints of its lower range. Considering their low operating costs (charging at home would be about a third the price), and the fact that most owners would rarely subject their EVs to these conditions, I think EVs are a viable alternative to ICEs.
@@alexanderh.999trust me I really don’t like EVs but I had a 2016 500e and it was shockingly good for a work daily. Charged at home when I went to sleep never had to go to a gas station or anything, no oil changes. For someone who has a small work commute its excellent. But as an only car an ev is not the way. Please don’t hate on me for this I still heavily prefer ICE lol
@@mcnuggetapplethat's the thing though, for your case an EV was excellent but an ice car would've been just as good. There are many cases where an EV doesn't make sense but not many were an ice car doesn't make sense. Unless you live in China and they're charging you $10k just to register an ice vehicle.
Battery capacity is both expensive and heavy dead weight to move around. In theory, the best design would be the one with just a largest enough battery to be lightweight and efficient, providing just enough range, yet small enough for fast charging and affordability.
That seems to be Tesla's strategy. (A lot of others seem to just slap a battery on whatever, and thus are expensive to build, long time to charge for a given range.)
I drove my 2023 Austin-built Tesla Model Y LR from North Texas to Jackson and Yellowstone WY this summer (~3,300 miles round trip). Range and charging was never an issue. I drove about 500 miles/day with two 20/30-minute stops each day (not counting charging at the end of the day at my hotel). The time it required to stop and charge was a welcome stretch, eat, and bathroom break. Really, the only time an ICE vehicle makes sense on road trips is if you're doing a Cannonball Run and wearing diapers. Otherwise, EVs (that can use the Tesla Supercharging network and can charge at a 250+ kWh rate) are great for most in-town driving and most road trips. Add home-charging and an EV is a no-brainer. Also, the 2023 Tesla Model Y Long Range is 330 mi range but the Model Y Performance version used in your test has only 303 mi range. Long Range is best for road trips (and the smaller wheels, bigger tire sidewalls can handle rough roads/pot holes better).
Drove mine from Montreal to Virginia. No issues. And the stops are definitely not a hassle. Driving to Florida next week. If it wasn’t a Tesla. I wouldn’t attempt these trips.
The title is world’s toughest range test but the content is really the world’s toughest charging test. And that’s not a bad thing. The Tesla experience, which deletes charging anxiety with route planning, preconditioning, and uptime is the key differentiator. Agree with other commenters: adding the route planning is a good idea and continuing to include the charging experience is a good idea.
@@jamesfynnhere6983 Because GM is honest. Other EV makers try to hide their issues. Plenty of information out there about the slimey things Tesla has hid over the years.
Yeah the Blazer ev is really nice. Cost about 60k with a range of 270. You can own a model y now for 31k with that range with the incentives. Chevy did an awesome deal with the Bolt EUV and EV, now the Blazer needs to be under 40k for costumers to buy or else lots will stay in the lot collecting dust.
The software version that Subaru was running at the time had a huge buffer below zero. Something around 30 miles or more, I think. The latest update reduces the buffer to 15-20 miles after 0 miles DTE is reached. They should've ran to zero. Another update is coming in the next few months to provide a little less buffer below zero.
Getting batteries that low is very very bad for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the companies that gave them the cars warned them not to do such things.
This is a good series, but I’d also like to see the same route where, one time you drive solo and unladen, and then repeat the route with four people and all their stuff for the weekend.
The 2nd test would be far more realistic...most people go out of town on weekends and aren't by themselves, and have a trunk load of stuff that they're lugging around too....
How did the Tesla came 2nd with 3.82 miles per kWh vs the Blazer with only 3.20 miles per kWh which is amazing considering the cold weather, maybe in range since it has a larger battery but in efficiency the Blazer was 2nd. Let's not forget that Blazer and the Subaru were on stock wheels and tires, Tesla was not.
Because Elon bought Twitter I know, it has nothing to do with their test. Or does it? Road trips are not just about range. The cost to drive a EV is not just about range. It is miles per KWH, the EV equivalent to MPH. And the charging network. We got to see one of the non Tesla's attempt to charge, but why not the Chevy? "Tesla does what a Tesla does" This was designed to try to make a non Tesla look better than it is. The Blazer looks nice, but without the charging network, road trips are still iffy, and second, we didn't get a good idea of the KWH/mile efficiency. Even local daily driving. If you had a Tesla in one house and a Chevy Blazer EV next door, your overnight electricity rate is the same. And both drivers commute to the same office 5 days a week at the same time. KWH per mile, the true efficiency and cost of ownership. That is the test people need to see. Eventually all US EV's will be using the Tesla NACS and that massive advantage for Tesla will go away. Seriously, how many video's have we seen a non Tesla struggle to charge? But efficiency is the name of the game. I would like to see how efficient each vehicle was on down hill regen.
@@shannonwoodcock1035 For GM and Ford, apparently it's Feb that the NACS will open up. They did mention for the regen that the Chevy and Toyota gained 8 miles while the Tesla gained 7 miles.
It wins because it exceeded EPA, expectations and actual driving range of competing vehicles. People don’t care about efficiency. They care about range.
It is the 105Kwh battery model they tested without knowing, just simply multiply the efficiency of 3.2 miles per Kwh by the range done + remaining range and it comes to 98.4 Kwh .
Well...when you open the door in any Tesla and look inside ro see what you get.... you get NOTHING. Must be the most booring interior ever made. Sooooo, a GM product is kicking Tesla ass... go girl...
@@normt430 Performance Tesla with winter tires, 33K miles. I thought it would do better, too, but they tend to put in smaller batteries and rely on efficiency and the charging network - I think this is the smart approach as it allows them to produce more cars
Solterra owner here. I would like to point out. If you turn on the single padel mode, that would give you better regen. Even if it can't be on due to full battery in the start or too cold battery temp., you can use the "shift pedals" behind the steering wheel to change regen levels from 1-4 (Premium trim might not have that). Also, with the recent software update, the SoC % is showing now. Also, it looks like your AC was not on "ECO" which helps with Solterra's range a lot in our case. ^_^ But granted, the EV range and charging performance indeed are not good in Solterra, we just love how well it drives and comfortable, taking it for road trips to ski. ^_^
@@jdmilion1096 It is always an estimate based on your recent driving and conditions. After we drove the car normally for a little while, we found that "guesstimate" is acceptable and accurate.
@@normt430 true, as they do always. Not sure what magic they are doing with their EPA numbers. Plus it would be interesting to know if the Chevy was brand spanking new and the Tesla a good bit older. Battery degradation in the beginning is just a reality
@@bobbbobb4663 😂 in 2019 with a Model 3 that would have been a credible point. Nowadays everybody and their mother drive a Model Y LR. Should be easy enough if you really want to
@@nikos6220 No thanks here. My Leaf is fine. Anytime there is a comparison between Tesla and any other make, the stans always complain. My point is that the GFY CEO could easily fix that with a press fleet.
I watch all your videos. Thanks for the content. When you review trucks you talk allot about the weight. I think it would be great if you could focus a bit more on the weight of the EVs you test and how it relates to range.
Love the video guys, also love the look of the Chevy blazer, unfortunately the price of that vehicle needs to come down. Lyriq is around the same price but looks and feels more premium. As for the charging part at the end, this is why Tesla will remain dominant, at least till NACS is available to more Evs. It's just simple to plug in and charge without credit cards, apps, passwords. I get your point about being able to fill all 3 vehicles if they were gas with the amount of time you spent trying to charge 1 car, this is how i assume Tesla owner's feel like when seeing people fumble about with this non standardized CCS systems.
Main reason we went with Tesla. That, plus the fact that nobody else had an EV to deliver to us in the month that GM insisted we return our leased Bolt. They would not even sell it to us used. Tesla charging is good.
The Ultium platform from GM will allow customers to just replace sections of the battery as well if a cell does goe bad (extending the life and functional use of the vehicle). All other EV competitors cannot say the same at this moment in time.
If Chevy sold direct, I would buy the Blazer. I just cannot tolerate the dealers. The price would go down $15-20k and I wouldn't be forced to do business with organized criminals with political protections.
As I’m considering buying a Tesla, I’ve been renting model Y’s on Turo since 2022 for all of my road trips. In fact, I’m on a model Y Turo rental right now. On Wednesday I drove from Mira Loma, CA to San Francisco and back. Over 900 miles in a day. The charging stops were actually the best part of the trip. I just get in the car, enter my destination into the navigation, and the car takes care of the rest. Easy! As I see it, at 67 years old, I’ve seen my fair share of people on the side of the road because of running out of gas. I guess because EV’s are the new thing, people want to blow everything out of proportion concerning that new thing. I love history, inclusive of automobile history. Can you imagine had the internet been around at the dawn of the automobile? All the videos of horse drawn carriages pulling cars, out of ditches or rutted unpaved roads, or cars that had run out of gas? Yes, all of that happened and was commonplace back then. Yes, there were MANY who swore that this new toy would NEVER replace the horse or horse and buggy. It’s all just the same thing of technology changes constantly and there will always be those afraid of change so they create perceived issues, or make more out of real issues. Ok, I’m off to go drive this EV rental.
Good for you, buddy. I'm 55, and I own a model 3. It's not a perfect car, but it is still the best car I've ever own. And since Tesla keeps updating the software, my 2 yo car feels like new. Like you said, only people who are afraid of change will be reluctant to try an EV. I have a friend who only got a smartphone 3 years ago, and even then, kicking and screaming.
@@bytemark6508 , The even crazier part about my trip and the three charging stops each way was the fact that the charging sessions were actually not long enough! No charging session lasted longer than 10 minutes, with a couple lasting only 8 minutes. I had to use the bathroom, and get something to eat at some stops so after charging I’d then pull up to the store if there was one. My complete stop at some of those 8 to 10 minute charging sessions would be 30 minutes due to all the extra things I did. Charging was the least of my concerns.
Cool. I have multiple ICE cars and a Tesla model S. The only car I use on trips is the Tesla because of having free supercharging that came with the car when I brought it.
i have seen it so many times and i know it is a given, but i still find it funny how if you have a tesla you can just drive to a SC, plug in, trust that the charger is gonna work 99% of the times, plenty of them will be available on site, not just 2, the car is gonna tell you how many of them are free, you dont need to initiate charging/processing/payment/etc, and it will still be cheaper than all the rest of charging networks, oh and there still are more and more often than not are better located tesla at this point (and for the last 3+ years) has reached that stage where its charging network is one of the biggest reasons to buy a tesla compared to any other ev
Like you said, the Tesla does what the Tesla does. It’s a bit of an exaggeration on the EPA numbers since Tesla uses the “easier” test. However, I will say I get pretty close with the LFP battery Model 3, which is stupid efficient!
For God's sake. Tesla doesnt promise 303 miles going up 4 steep grades in the middle of winter. That's not how the EPA tests. Stop it. Good job Chevy, though.
This continues to jive with my experience that Tesla's range numbers need to undergo about a 15% correction in order to compare directly with the range numbers published by other automakers. Hopefully, the EPA eliminates the option to use the more optimistic calculation, as the more conservative calculation used by most automakers translates to ICE owners and new EV buyers better.
@@tonyn3227 That's why I said the EPA needs to take away the option to use the optimistic corrections. Right now, consumers cannot directly cross shop EVs using the EPA range and efficiency numbers, which is the entire purpose behind doing the testing.
These Guess-O-Meters (GOM) need to take a back seat.. I know they're irrelevant with route planning software, but the foundation of all "range anxiety" comes from that random number in bold print. The Mini SE is another example of having a pointless "range" number, frequently jumps around and will usually underestimate usable range by 10 or 20 miles. Give me a percentage and I'll be happy.
Something is wrong with the Blazer range numbers. It showed 126 miles left BUT averaging 3.2 miles/kilowatt. 85 KW pack X 3.2 =272 miles total range from 100% to 0%. 272 total range -195 driven leaves 77 miles left, NOT 126 the car displayed. Curious what the actual remaining miles would have been back in Boulder? And in reality most Tesla model Y's are the 330 epa Long Range model, not the 303 epa Performance you tested...The Long Range would give 10% better results closer to Blazer numbers. Blazer has good range but how fast does it charge vs Tesla? No matter, it's 2 years away from volume production
I just noticed the Blazer comes with either an 85kw or 105kw battery. The one in this test most likely had the larger pack so the range numbers jive more accurately. Would be curious to find out which pack it actually has????
Fun video as always but you guys really need to report SOC at the end instead of expected range. The Blazer has a guess-o-meter so that 126 miles of range at the end is hugely inflated by going downhill for the last part. In reality it is probably closer to (or even less) than the Tesla. Proof of this is in your own numbers: you got 3.2 mi/kWh in the Blazer times 85 kWh battery give the Blazer around 272 miles of total range. The Tesla got 3.8 mi/kWh which, multiplied by its 75 kWh battery gives 285 miles for the Model Y (which is a couple years old BTW). Neither is bad for winter hill driving.
I dont know man i can take my 2019 Silverado from St.Louis to Fort Myers on two fill ups once in Chattanooga and once in south Georgia. Thats thru the mountains of Tennessee and Atlanta traffic im not at this point ready to give up the comfort and safety of my truck for a range anxiety inducing EV. Plus your time waiting to charge is worth something.
It’s funny how the EV haters talk crap about them, without ever actually owning one. I was one of those people. I now own a Tesla Model 3 and I love it! It’s STILL cheaper to own than a ICE! PERIOD! The hundreds of dollars a year and hours of waiting at the dealership on oil changes alone is a plus! Trips? No problem! Everyday driving? STILL no problem! It takes no longer to get a charge, use the bathroom, get a snack, eat lunch or dinner, and stretch your legs that it did with my gas powered car! If you live out in the middle of nowhere in Montana then I guess an EV is not for you! But for a majority of people, the current range that (at least a Tesla) has is more than adequate! Range anxiety when you first get one? Yep! It’s there! But after you adjust, you see that it’s not a problem! Even free chargers are everywhere! But nothing is as good as the supercharger system Tesla has. There is a free 32amp charger in a public park right next to my house! I get free charging at work! I rarely pay for charging! And when I do at home or on the road, it’s still way cheaper than gas! NOBODY is forcing people to buy an EV! If they aren’t for you, don’t buy one! But quit talking shit about them! It shows your ignorance!
Ok, I am confused why you didn't push through and see where the Tesla and the Blazer actually ran out and not just what the GOM said. It sounds like GM is actually going to come close to it's range estimate unlike Tesla who games the display and gives the drive the false impression of range it does not have. Definitely not what I expected, but feel like you guys aborted this run. Would like to see where these cars actually ran out and what was left. Please keep a running tally showing a ranking of mi/kwh, range remaining, power consumed so we have a ongoing leader board and have something to keep track of how all the tests have gone and what the most efficient and most range vehicles there are. Also good to know is the mile/percent regen they get. More data please.
They showed 3miles per kw several times on the solterra dash... at my states' $0.30 cents a kwh for power, you only need 22mpg at today's gas price to beat it.
I am assuming you guys know that range varies widely from the standardized EPA test results. It can be higher or lower depending upon the specific driving conditions. It’s no surprise it is much less driving up mountains at Interstate highway speeds. Same is true in a gas vehicle.
Tesla Model Y Performance (303 miles) : 3.82 miles/kWh. Miles done: 195. Range remaining: 50 miles. Total: 245 miles, so 22% less than what Tesla say. Battery size: 75.0 kWh. 195 / 3.82 = 51 kWh. 75 / 51 = 47% more miles to go... so ~92 miles. But the car show ~50 miles. Strange. Chevy Blazer EV RS eAWD (279 miles): 3.2 miles/kWh. Miles done: 195. Range remaining: 126 miles. Total: 321 miles, so 15% more than what GM say.
You know you're going slow when you are getting passed by a Jeep Compass. And I agree, CCS charging networks are a joke. I've rented several Teslas from Hertz over the past year, have always been able to plug in and charge without any issues.
This was my experience with a Bolt vs Tesla. My Tesla was supposedly more efficient but the Bolt would continously have more range. My conclusion is that Tesla fudges numbers to get to their claims while GM does not. Can't say that'd a good look for Tesla. I don't think I'd buy another one.
Id get the Tesla without even watching this. Even if it got 1/10 the range. What good is an ev if no superchargers that work. Also it seems like GM gives up on every ev model after a year. Also i dont want to pay 10-30k after 5+ years when the battery goes out.
You should be comparing Ev's that have similar battery packs. Also, the Tesla Model y has already 33000 miles on it. It might have some battery degradation. They should have compared all brand new cars.
Yes, we all know. The point is that it should be named more intuitively. Why not call them the main battery and accessory battery, or even just drive battery and 12V battery.
@@bartwaggoner2000 I'm pretty sure most EV companies refer to the main battery as the traction battery. The people at my local Hyundai dealership call it that.
My question long did it take you to charge the chevy and at what cost ? What is your time worth will you actually be ahead at the end of the day. My vote is that I'd get further, quicker for less money with the Tesla. Am I wrong, Roman ?
I have a new Ariya awd here in Denver I would have loved to throw into the mix! Also would be interesting to test the awd system from the GTR on your slip test.
From other tests performed by RUclipsrs (especially CarWow) Tesla "hides" the full battery charge in the system, there is a considerable buffer after "0%". The EPA number is including this buffer, so the numbers are actually prety close to what they promise. However, the EPA number is an ideal case anyway, it's not an average case. And when it comes to the numbers, also consider the fact that the Model Y has a much smaller battery than the Blazer EV. The usable battery in the Y is 79 kWh (where the real size is more like 86) while the Chevy has 150 kWh, so basically double than the Tesla.
Battery capacity in the Blazer is stated in the video to be 85 kWh and by GM to be either 85 or 102 kWh. (I suspect they got one that was 102 kWh.) It looks to me like GM has done a good job here.
Tesla also uses a different EPA test than most others (I think it's a 5 cycle test compared to others 3 cycle), which gives a more "optimistic" rating. If they used the same test as everyone else the 303 mile rating would be closer to 280 miles. 303 looks better than 280 so.....If the Chevy had a 150 kWh battery it would go 450 miles (give or take).
@@TheAnnoyingBossthere isn't a reality where a gas car is more efficient than an EV. It can possibly get more range, but at the cost of much more energy used
Should be comparing the Model Y Long Range which starts at $47,000. The epa range doesn't apply going up & down mountains in cold weather. All vehicles would have done better in warmer weather on a flat highway. Same case for ICE cars.......
GM often gives a lot of extra room for their range. As your battery degrades over time then you see the range numbers that the EPA has. 20 or 30% battery degradation is when you will see the promised range figures. Tesla doesn’t do that. If a Tesla says 300 miles than that is with 100% battery health, not 80%.
You stated that the temperature was 65 deg. when starting. It got cooler as you climbed the mountains. Were any of you using your heaters during the drive? I've read that the heaters will use up quite a large amount of charge. Also it seems like the Subaru needed to do some Nascar style drafting to save energy.
I worked for Subaru when the soltera was about to be released. Running the heater drops the range to about 165 miles according to the class I was in for the car. It took 6 hours to get the cars from Portland to Seattle for the class because it took place in the winter and they used the heaters. It's about 175 miles and they had to stop for a charge on the way to make it since they didn't charge them past 85%.
@@jacobmcclure9786 Soltera has a poor charging curve, and also in winter best to precondition the car before driving so it doesn't use much energy to keep the vehicle heated while driving.
It would really be nice to see a more meaningful comparison of these cars on a complete road trip, something like Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge or the Out of Spec 10% Challenge. Set a route, take all the cars on the whole route. Charge as needed for best use of time. Then compare times at the end of the trip. If you did it this way, we would gain some insight into how the Tesla and the Blazer compare to each other. This video doesn't really tell us much of anything except how bad the Subaru is for road trips -- not because of it's short range but because of it's slow charging. It would also be nice to see how the Model Y Long Range compares to the Blazer RS. This would be the appropriate comparison. Hint: The range difference would be smaller, the price difference would be greater, and the total trip time would probably be much faster in the Tesla -- but since you didn't do a total trip test, we have no idea. And since you tested the wrong version, the Tesla comes out looking bad.
Ill start a youtube channel and we are going to race coast to coast, san diego to the florida keys. Then youll see what vehicles are really efficient. The tesla will be the first electric vehicle to make it but its going to lsoe agaisjt every gasoline motor in the race
Roman, I don’t disagree with you one the overarching point of range especially going uphill. However there is a hole in your argument. The Tesla & Blazer were doing just fine on range. To me this is the difference between an automaker in Toyota who has a disdain EVs therefore they purposely set out to make an EV that would fail in every way. However Tesla & GM actually put effort into trying to make an EV that people would like & can use.
Range is very temp and speed dependent My Bolt has gotten an indicated 340 miles per charge after driving 50mph or less, with a light foot, regen and no heater or AC and an 180 miles after driving 70mph and blasting the heater.
The Solterra has 8.3"of ground clearance and the BZ4X has 8.1" so the BZ4X should have slightly more range within the margin of error and well nevermind.
I myself am tired of these non controlled non scientific test results. Any vehicle ICE or electric will have varying mileage results based on your driving habits and where you are going.
How do you know if the Blazer is predicting an accurate remaining range? I understand that it can probably go farther than the Tesla, the battery is 25% larger and the vehicle costs a lot more. The efficiency kinda says it all, the Tesla is still 17% more efficient while also charging loads faster. It's easy to get more range when companies just design in a huge battery, but the vehicle is heavier, performs worse, costs more and takes longer to charge.
A quick FYI to anyone reading and the show, if what you said about the blazer being 60k is true, then it is a 102kwh battery 😂 which would explain the range lol, please be sure to fact check people are buying cars from this show, great series otherwise
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I would be curious how the Solterra does with some light offroading. It has the best ground clearance of these three. It isn't a distance driver at all, nor are it's siblings, the bZ4X and Lexus RZ, but it has some relative strengths.
The EPA updated their testing methods. That Model Y Performance range has been updated down from 303 miles -> 285 miles. Even so, those aren't highway miles, and this is why the EPA needs to update how EV ranges are displayed here in the US, there should be a city range and highway range displayed, and possibly an average of the two. I would expect with pure highway driving a Model Y Performance, that it would get around 225 miles, not 285 miles.
Initial thoughts as you drive off: the Tesla has aftermarket all weather tires (good choice) and non-aero wheels. That’ll hurt it a little. The other two we can assume are on factory wheels/tires
Tesla is well known to under perform when it comes to the range estimates they provided to the EPA compared to most other EV manufacturers though. Even a Chevy Bolt beat a model 3 in range testing on a previous TFL video.
Great points. As soon as you change from stock wheels, or tire tread, or size, you may not achieve rated range. This applies to ev, gasoline, and diesel vehicles.
Try all that messing around with a charging station, when it's -50C. Electric car drivers must be some tough people. Why don't they put canopies over those charging stations to protect from the weather. The gas stations are quite cozy in my town, and it's great to interact with people in the neighbourhood. This electric car culture is quite anti-social. And then, there's all those cars burning up and recalled recently, like the Jeep Wrangler 4xe lol. Strength! GODspeed!
The tesla has the worst possible tires on it for this test. Probably a 10-15% hit right there. Put those tires on those other cars and you’ll get the same 10-15% reduction.
I don't know if I'm alone, but it feels like that Toyobaru would be more at home in 2014 instead of 2024. Odd styling, lowest range by far, bargain bin-looking dash tech...seems like this was completely outdated on day one.
So you guys don’t actually think you will get max range in the cold on mountains passes right? Also max range is based on if you have the car charge itself to 100% which is very rare. 80-90% will be considered full to keep the battery degradation to a minimum
What does it matter? Do you drive your car to empty? Get a level 2 charger at home and always leave your house with full change. I've been drive EV's for the past 5yrs, never had an issue with running out of charge.
Thanks boys for the hard work😂
Maybe it’s because they want to add different technologies. Not everyone is going to make EVs. You should be glad. Anymore and California won’t have electricity
Chevy Blazers are the best.
😅😊
But who is better?
The thing is, for an actual EV owner, who in many cases charges overnight at home, and who use the vehicle’s system to tell them when to charge if they’re going on a road trip, it’s not a matter of driving until the battery is at zero. And the reality for most people is that their vehicle is used to drive ~50 miles each day within the community that they live, so they’re only needing to trickle charge to top up the battery each night. I’m the first person to say that if you have to drive 300 miles each day or you’re regularly driving 500-1000 miles, today’s EV’s are probably not a good option. But the VAST majority of people don’t require this kind of range and could be very happy owning just about any EV.
Agreed. I just purchased my first EV, an Ioniq 5, about 2 months ago. Tomorrow will be my first extended drive in it to go visit family for Christmas. Up until now, my wife has been driving her 16 mi round trip work commute with it, and then on the weekends for errands, etc. We just charge it at home when needed. We’ll see how this weekend goes.
Yes, but with so many great options why bother with an EV like the Subaru/Toyota? Foolish waste of money with no resale value, either.
@@bartwaggoner2000agreed on the Subayota garbage. Toyota should be embarrassed by this thing, for its poor power and efficiency, not to mention crap looks.
While you aren’t wrong I think owning an entire car you can only use locally for most instances is not helping your carbon footprint, but I guess if you legitimately don’t travel it’s an option
While your right about the majority of people, governments are forcing EVs on EVERYONE. In Canada the gov. wants to ban ALL ice vehicles by 2035
I just saw a black Blazer EV for the first time yesterday. Looks really good inside and out, but $60k is crazy talk
Though maybe, just maybe, you’ll save 10K or more in service over 6 or 7 years vs a gas Chevy?
@@bartwaggoner2000 ha!
Vehicle warranty really negates those costs over that length in time.
Biggest expenses you'll more than likely have with any car is replacement of tires and brakes and EVs have both of those.
Oil changes are 60-80 bucks. Tire rotations will need to be done on an EV as well so no saving that 20 bucks.
Brake fluid flush? Well, you got to do that in an EV too! 200 dollars.
So barring doing some serious driving you will likely have the warranty for a full 5 years for the drivetrain which is where the major expenses rear their ugly head if something goes wrong.
Really, your major savings for an EV is if you use it only as a commuter car and charge it at home.
Maintenance, I really don't see the cost savings. Maybe if you're into buying 5 year old cars, but after 10 years EV's batteries start to become questionable and a replacement of one of those is like 20k and you're just better off looking for your next used car at those prices which may be difficult because your EV is worthless versus ICE vehicles you can rig things together such as pulling a used engine out of another car and dropping it into yours.
There was a dealer in NJ that I saw that had a comparably equipped ICE Blazer RS for about $53k - which if you qualify for the tax credit means that both vehicles would be about the same price.
Anyone who buys a blazer EV deserves what they get. Software update means tow to dealer, no gas station, poor GM quality people have come to be proud of because they can’t cry.
It is not worth it for sure. It's trash.
This is typical for Chevrolet. I have a 2016 Volt that in the summertime shows up to 60 miles range after 70k miles, EPA rating was 53 for new. I also have a 2019 Bolt that show the EPA rating of 258 miles at a little less than 80% charge a full charge will show > 300. Chevy under promises and over delivers. I do think that Chevy has cracked the code on regen.
I miss my volt. Stupid VW driver totaled it 2 years ago.
Hows the battery holding up?
Romans credit card getting declined is the most relatable thing on this video. Love the video
I don't understand why you guys never use the navigation system to predict how much range you'll have at your destination. I don't know about the other two cars you are testing, but I know the Tesla and Polestar EVs allow you to put in multiple destinations and it predicts how much range you'll have at each using hills, weather, temperature, etc. to predict accurately
They suck my motto three always predicts one thing and ends up being around 8% less than what was predicted
The Subaru/Toyota has no route planning.
@@misaelramos83 that's what I thought 🤔
@@misaelramos83 The Toyota/Subaru is useless. Which is what they want.
@@Paul-cj1wb agreed 💯 they developed their EVs to cause customers to think EVs suck and go back to the Prius
Part of the reason Toyota is so anti-EV may be because they suck at it.
Agreed, they don’t want to change
No. It's because they're working on leap frogging today's EV technology. Toyota likes hydrogen too.
I pay $60 a month on gas with my toyo hybrid driving 15K miles a year. I don’t understand the point of EVs right now except to be convinced car companies are in the learning stage STILL and are overcharging for every car. This car was forced on them.
@@romeolongoria8730because hybrids are inherently inefficient due to carrying multiple power sources and are inherently more likely to catch fire than ICE cars.
I think they have a place, especially PHEVs and depending on each persons use case. If you’re driving a small number of miles and can charge at home there is no advantage to carrying around a big gas motor you’re never using and some hybrids don’t offer much more mileage vs the ICE only counterpart. Lots of factors.
@@romeolongoria8730 that's $720 in fuel for 15k miles and the cost of two oil changes. If you had a EV that could average 4 miles/kwh charging at home at .06/kw or free at neighbors/relatives and shopping/dining would cost you are $200...
Romans card got declined because the machine didn’t believe someone hooked up a car with a 100kw/h lol
Just a reminder that the range shown by Tesla near the battery icon is a fixed proportion to the battery level (i.e. if full is 300miles, at half it show 150, regardless of driving style/conditions); it's better left to just show battery percentage really. If you want an "estimator" based on recent drive like the other cars, just check the energy applet, that is also very transparent in that it let you choose a window of the last 5, 10 or 30 miles (in others car you also have to guess on what they base their "guesstimations" on, so it's an added guess). And last but not least, if you have a destination set, you get a spot-on estimate you can bet your trip on, that consider elevation, temperatures, wind, etc.
Elon should be sued, they've always lied about the range and many other things
Teslas nav system is so easy to use, it makes road trips super easy, just follow the blue line
Which is completely dumb. Every other ev posts the real range estimate without needing to go through hoops.
@@sprockketsnot really. The range estimate is known to many in the EV community as the “guess-o-meter.” The problem with the range estimate is that it’s going off of recent averages and adjusting as your current drive average is worked into the calculation. This causes issues. For example, if your car is really efficient in your commute but then the next day you take a rad trip you might go from averaging 4.5 mi/kw to 2.7 but the guess-o-meter tells you you’ve got plenty of range to get where you’re going…until it starts dropping 5 miles of range for every mile you travel.
This happens to me whenever I road trip my non-tesla EV. Instead I have use apps or prior experience to calculate the efficiency and plan my trip around those projections and battery %. A Better Route Planner is good for this. But, Tesla’s nav system is better. I haven’t experienced the same issues with Tesla’s I’ve rented.
Why would you not put Tesla in chill for a long distance? It ain't slow in any mode.
dumbest part of the video. I drive in Chill all the time.
Yea I was very confused hearing that. If you know you're going a long distance... then why wouldn't the average driver put it into the long distance mode?? Not sure why that seemed so unrealistic lol.
Because the vehicles were all left in their more or less default mode. The Tesla still did 3.82 Kwh which is very good. Unfortunately, until the Tesla board dumps Elon, I will not buy one. Happy with my Mach-E.
My model Y actually gets worse efficiency in chill mode. Maybe it’s how I drive but not using chill mode gets me 4 miles per kWh. In chill mode I average 3.8-3.9. 🤷🏻♂️
@@davetravels9273I had the Bolt EUV and Now I have 2024 model y rwd long range. I get 4.5 from bolt euv Model y 4.1-4.5 chill mode I drive both the same way keep it on the speed you like without accessive acceleration you will get more efficient..
yeah, I was watching one of Out Of Spec Reviews' videos, and Kyle was mentioning a lot of people were not liking the Soltera/BZ4X as a rental. They've had to be towed to chargers quite a bit, due to insufficient range for cold weather and Elevation in Utah and Colorado.
An EA station vs. a Tesla station? LOL. The worst vs. the best.
EA is ghetto 😂 I see more out of service than stations actually functioning.
I know Teslas usually fall under their range ratings, but it was a little misleading to use a Model Y Performance with custom wheels and non-OEM tires. I've watched several YT videos and wheel/tire choice makes a huge difference on consumption, especially compared to the 19" Gemini wheels with the aero caps on the LR.
The Supercharger network is why we chose a MYLR. All of the horror stories about EA and other dysfunctional chargers made it a pretty easy choice.
They used the cars they had available. Not everything is a conspiracy against Tesla.
Tesla Cultists making every excuse….again.
@@TroySavary Sure, but you can't say it didn't affect the results.
You should also mention the tires being used. It appears that the Model Y was running cross climate 2 tires, which have significantly more rolling resistance than standard Tesla tires, and likely contributed to decreased efficiency and range.
And using the newish Hankook Ion EV tires reviews say they provide about 6% more range than the OEM Continentals which do better then the cross climates
Exactly right. First thing I noticed in this video and never heard it mentioned. Tire compound makes a substantial difference in efficiency. Those winter tires are guaranteed to eat up some efficiency. A Performance model was probably not the best choice for this comparison either as a Long Range would have been more appropriate in my opinion.
@@YossarianHelmet the CC2 tires are “all weather” tires. Not dedicated winter tires.
@@cypvh74 thanks for the correction. However, the are still not the appropriate compound for a Model Y Performance. The arrow in those aftermarket wheels also plays a role. OEM Tesla Wheels have aero benefits but those 21 inch wheels are quite heavy.
Yes. I drive a Model Y LR in the UK and my highway driving on Autopilot gives me 300 miles of range with a little spare, which means I stop twice for top ups and bathroom breaks on my regular 660-mile round trip with . I have never tested how far the car would drive at 0% battery!
4:00 Wait, why wouldn't a normal person in a real world scenario use the Eco mode in their EV while road tripping? I feel like range anxiety being such a thing in EVs would result in most people doing that.
ECO isn't likely to improve range during a highway road trip since it (mostly) dampens the throttle response.
This test had some of the most challenging conditions I can think of for an EV; cold temperature, long steep climbs and long range. It seems to me they all handled pretty well, even the Toyota was OK if you work within the constraints of its lower range. Considering their low operating costs (charging at home would be about a third the price), and the fact that most owners would rarely subject their EVs to these conditions, I think EVs are a viable alternative to ICEs.
EVs are a nightmare. There is not 1 use case that makes it better than ice cars.
@@alexanderh.999 🙄
@@alexanderh.999trust me I really don’t like EVs but I had a 2016 500e and it was shockingly good for a work daily. Charged at home when I went to sleep never had to go to a gas station or anything, no oil changes. For someone who has a small work commute its excellent. But as an only car an ev is not the way. Please don’t hate on me for this I still heavily prefer ICE lol
@@alexanderh.999 using it every day with no maintenance pretty good use case
@@mcnuggetapplethat's the thing though, for your case an EV was excellent but an ice car would've been just as good. There are many cases where an EV doesn't make sense but not many were an ice car doesn't make sense. Unless you live in China and they're charging you $10k just to register an ice vehicle.
Battery capacity is both expensive and heavy dead weight to move around. In theory, the best design would be the one with just a largest enough battery to be lightweight and efficient, providing just enough range, yet small enough for fast charging and affordability.
That seems to be Tesla's strategy. (A lot of others seem to just slap a battery on whatever, and thus are expensive to build, long time to charge for a given range.)
And it allows you to produce more EVs - something Chevy etc. haven’t figured out.
And you just described Tesla's strategy. And they can pull it off because their extensive charging network.
@@shannonwoodcock1035
They can pull it off because they're efficient.
Blazer is the best looking.
It’s a great looking vehicle, but I don’t trust GM quality.
@@bionicwolf3342the last new GM redesigns dating back to 2012 era are near segment leading in price, efficiency, and value.
NOPE the Sub is
With the best ride quality and most quiet interior.
I will always love the Saab 900 shape (even the GM900) with the liftback. So it's still the Y for I.
I drove my 2023 Austin-built Tesla Model Y LR from North Texas to Jackson and Yellowstone WY this summer (~3,300 miles round trip). Range and charging was never an issue. I drove about 500 miles/day with two 20/30-minute stops each day (not counting charging at the end of the day at my hotel). The time it required to stop and charge was a welcome stretch, eat, and bathroom break. Really, the only time an ICE vehicle makes sense on road trips is if you're doing a Cannonball Run and wearing diapers. Otherwise, EVs (that can use the Tesla Supercharging network and can charge at a 250+ kWh rate) are great for most in-town driving and most road trips. Add home-charging and an EV is a no-brainer.
Also, the 2023 Tesla Model Y Long Range is 330 mi range but the Model Y Performance version used in your test has only 303 mi range. Long Range is best for road trips (and the smaller wheels, bigger tire sidewalls can handle rough roads/pot holes better).
Drove mine from Montreal to Virginia. No issues. And the stops are definitely not a hassle. Driving to Florida next week. If it wasn’t a Tesla. I wouldn’t attempt these trips.
The title is world’s toughest range test but the content is really the world’s toughest charging test. And that’s not a bad thing. The Tesla experience, which deletes charging anxiety with route planning, preconditioning, and uptime is the key differentiator. Agree with other commenters: adding the route planning is a good idea and continuing to include the charging experience is a good idea.
Or commentary cringe test
GM halted the sales of the Chevy Blazer. Not a good look.
Gm is currently ran by a stupid dumb woman
GM seems to builld a safety buffer into all of their EVs. Which is great. Too bad the Blazer is so expensive.
I agree. Our leased Bolt always did better than promised on range, our Tesla Model Y long range worse than promised.
GM has issued a stop sale on the Blazer due to more issues than I have time to list. One journalist had 23 serious issues with it.
@@jamesfynnhere6983 Because GM is honest. Other EV makers try to hide their issues. Plenty of information out there about the slimey things Tesla has hid over the years.
Price will likely come down if it isn't selling at that price. If it does sell, then it is priced appropriately.
Yeah the Blazer ev is really nice. Cost about 60k with a range of 270. You can own a model y now for 31k with that range with the incentives. Chevy did an awesome deal with the Bolt EUV and EV, now the Blazer needs to be under 40k for costumers to buy or else lots will stay in the lot collecting dust.
Would’ve liked to see them get closer to 0% to see what they actually did. That toyoburu is a no go! 😱
Yeah just carry a gallon of charge in the frunk😂
@@supporterofsanity generator
Definitely a no go, but even moreso because that front license plate! Ouch!
The software version that Subaru was running at the time had a huge buffer below zero. Something around 30 miles or more, I think. The latest update reduces the buffer to 15-20 miles after 0 miles DTE is reached. They should've ran to zero. Another update is coming in the next few months to provide a little less buffer below zero.
Getting batteries that low is very very bad for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the companies that gave them the cars warned them not to do such things.
The Tesla chargers work, the VW owned (Electrify America) chargers do not. It's almost like VW wants their customers to have a bad experience.
This is a good series, but I’d also like to see the same route where, one time you drive solo and unladen, and then repeat the route with four people and all their stuff for the weekend.
The 2nd test would be far more realistic...most people go out of town on weekends and aren't by themselves, and have a trunk load of stuff that they're lugging around too....
How did the Tesla came 2nd with 3.82 miles per kWh vs the Blazer with only 3.20 miles per kWh which is amazing considering the cold weather, maybe in range since it has a larger battery but in efficiency the Blazer was 2nd. Let's not forget that Blazer and the Subaru were on stock wheels and tires, Tesla was not.
Because Elon bought Twitter
I know, it has nothing to do with their test. Or does it?
Road trips are not just about range. The cost to drive a EV is not just about range.
It is miles per KWH, the EV equivalent to MPH. And the charging network. We got to see one of the non Tesla's attempt to charge, but why not the Chevy?
"Tesla does what a Tesla does"
This was designed to try to make a non Tesla look better than it is.
The Blazer looks nice, but without the charging network, road trips are still iffy, and second, we didn't get a good idea of the KWH/mile efficiency.
Even local daily driving. If you had a Tesla in one house and a Chevy Blazer EV next door, your overnight electricity rate is the same. And both drivers commute to the same office 5 days a week at the same time. KWH per mile, the true efficiency and cost of ownership. That is the test people need to see. Eventually all US EV's will be using the Tesla NACS and that massive advantage for Tesla will go away. Seriously, how many video's have we seen a non Tesla struggle to charge? But efficiency is the name of the game.
I would like to see how efficient each vehicle was on down hill regen.
And the Chevy was never charged because was so annoying….
@@shannonwoodcock1035 For GM and Ford, apparently it's Feb that the NACS will open up. They did mention for the regen that the Chevy and Toyota gained 8 miles while the Tesla gained 7 miles.
It wins because it exceeded EPA, expectations and actual driving range of competing vehicles. People don’t care about efficiency. They care about range.
It is the 105Kwh battery model they tested without knowing, just simply multiply the efficiency of 3.2 miles per Kwh by the range done + remaining range and it comes to 98.4 Kwh .
Roman-"I've got 8.3 inches"
Roman, we ALL wish we had 8.3 inches😁
Roman’s a God! 🍆 😮
Some of us are luckier than others
Half full?
For what you get in a Tesla for the price and for the charging network they have, theirs just no competition for them currently
And yet they are not competitive in this test.
Well...when you open the door in any Tesla and look inside ro see what you get.... you get NOTHING.
Must be the most booring interior ever made.
Sooooo, a GM product is kicking Tesla ass... go girl...
@@stennordenmalm9900 "they forgot the interior"! ThrottleHouse on RUclips.
@@stennordenmalm9900 that is like complaining about how a phone looks. Nobody cares that much, it is the software and driving experience (speed etc.)
@@normt430 Performance Tesla with winter tires, 33K miles. I thought it would do better, too, but they tend to put in smaller batteries and rely on efficiency and the charging network - I think this is the smart approach as it allows them to produce more cars
Solterra owner here. I would like to point out. If you turn on the single padel mode, that would give you better regen. Even if it can't be on due to full battery in the start or too cold battery temp., you can use the "shift pedals" behind the steering wheel to change regen levels from 1-4 (Premium trim might not have that). Also, with the recent software update, the SoC % is showing now. Also, it looks like your AC was not on "ECO" which helps with Solterra's range a lot in our case. ^_^
But granted, the EV range and charging performance indeed are not good in Solterra, we just love how well it drives and comfortable, taking it for road trips to ski. ^_^
I saw that without using AC or Heat it will go 250-280 is that accurate
@@jdmilion1096 It is always an estimate based on your recent driving and conditions. After we drove the car normally for a little while, we found that "guesstimate" is acceptable and accurate.
@@pastorronald-0622what range do you get without ac or heat usually ? Around 250 ?
@@jdmilion1096 Sorry, we always keep AC on ECO, we didn't notice the "no AC" range much.
Hilarious how many objective comparisons on RUclips are done with the Tesla Performance models 😂
Tesla still fell short on range.
@@normt430 true, as they do always. Not sure what magic they are doing with their EPA numbers. Plus it would be interesting to know if the Chevy was brand spanking new and the Tesla a good bit older. Battery degradation in the beginning is just a reality
Blame this on the CEO who doesn’t have a press fleet and responds to all press requests with a poop emoji.
@@bobbbobb4663 😂 in 2019 with a Model 3 that would have been a credible point. Nowadays everybody and their mother drive a Model Y LR. Should be easy enough if you really want to
@@nikos6220 No thanks here. My Leaf is fine. Anytime there is a comparison between Tesla and any other make, the stans always complain. My point is that the GFY CEO could easily fix that with a press fleet.
Andre having fun at Roman's expense has me dying.
I watch all your videos. Thanks for the content. When you review trucks you talk allot about the weight. I think it would be great if you could focus a bit more on the weight of the EVs you test and how it relates to range.
It doesn’t effect the range much. OutOfSpec Motoring did a lot of that sort of test with the Rivian and weight hardly hurts range.
Love the video guys, also love the look of the Chevy blazer, unfortunately the price of that vehicle needs to come down. Lyriq is around the same price but looks and feels more premium. As for the charging part at the end, this is why Tesla will remain dominant, at least till NACS is available to more Evs. It's just simple to plug in and charge without credit cards, apps, passwords. I get your point about being able to fill all 3 vehicles if they were gas with the amount of time you spent trying to charge 1 car, this is how i assume Tesla owner's feel like when seeing people fumble about with this non standardized CCS systems.
Main reason we went with Tesla. That, plus the fact that nobody else had an EV to deliver to us in the month that GM insisted we return our leased Bolt. They would not even sell it to us used. Tesla charging is good.
The Ultium platform from GM will allow customers to just replace sections of the battery as well if a cell does goe bad (extending the life and functional use of the vehicle). All other EV competitors cannot say the same at this moment in time.
If Chevy sold direct, I would buy the Blazer. I just cannot tolerate the dealers. The price would go down $15-20k and I wouldn't be forced to do business with organized criminals with political protections.
Best and 100% true statement!
As I’m considering buying a Tesla, I’ve been renting model Y’s on Turo since 2022 for all of my road trips. In fact, I’m on a model Y Turo rental right now. On Wednesday I drove from Mira Loma, CA to San Francisco and back. Over 900 miles in a day. The charging stops were actually the best part of the trip. I just get in the car, enter my destination into the navigation, and the car takes care of the rest. Easy!
As I see it, at 67 years old, I’ve seen my fair share of people on the side of the road because of running out of gas. I guess because EV’s are the new thing, people want to blow everything out of proportion concerning that new thing.
I love history, inclusive of automobile history. Can you imagine had the internet been around at the dawn of the automobile? All the videos of horse drawn carriages pulling cars, out of ditches or rutted unpaved roads, or cars that had run out of gas? Yes, all of that happened and was commonplace back then. Yes, there were MANY who swore that this new toy would NEVER replace the horse or horse and buggy. It’s all just the same thing of technology changes constantly and there will always be those afraid of change so they create perceived issues, or make more out of real issues.
Ok, I’m off to go drive this EV rental.
Good for you, buddy. I'm 55, and I own a model 3. It's not a perfect car, but it is still the best car I've ever own. And since Tesla keeps updating the software, my 2 yo car feels like new. Like you said, only people who are afraid of change will be reluctant to try an EV. I have a friend who only got a smartphone 3 years ago, and even then, kicking and screaming.
@@bytemark6508 , The even crazier part about my trip and the three charging stops each way was the fact that the charging sessions were actually not long enough! No charging session lasted longer than 10 minutes, with a couple lasting only 8 minutes. I had to use the bathroom, and get something to eat at some stops so after charging I’d then pull up to the store if there was one. My complete stop at some of those 8 to 10 minute charging sessions would be 30 minutes due to all the extra things I did. Charging was the least of my concerns.
Dont buy one. Use them like u have been and let the turo trolls deal with the long term ownership woes
Cool. I have multiple ICE cars and a Tesla model S. The only car I use on trips is the Tesla because of having free supercharging that came with the car when I brought it.
I’d buy that Blazer, for around 30k. Not at current prices.
i have seen it so many times and i know it is a given, but i still find it funny how if you have a tesla you can just drive to a SC, plug in, trust that the charger is gonna work 99% of the times, plenty of them will be available on site, not just 2, the car is gonna tell you how many of them are free, you dont need to initiate charging/processing/payment/etc, and it will still be cheaper than all the rest of charging networks, oh and there still are more and more often than not are better located
tesla at this point (and for the last 3+ years) has reached that stage where its charging network is one of the biggest reasons to buy a tesla compared to any other ev
Like you said, the Tesla does what the Tesla does. It’s a bit of an exaggeration on the EPA numbers since Tesla uses the “easier” test.
However, I will say I get pretty close with the LFP battery Model 3, which is stupid efficient!
Yes
I had 2 long range Tesla’s
M3 LR and MY LR. But I have to say my current Standard range M3 LFP I have now is crazy efficient.
And my favorite!
The current Model 3 RWD is literally the best EV for the price. For what you get, the value is insanely good.
Most Tesla driver use “Chill Mode” for everyday driving. Range would have been better like that.
@@Dubitz Wait till Newer model 3 come in 2024, just 1K pricier but even more efficient than before.
For God's sake. Tesla doesnt promise 303 miles going up 4 steep grades in the middle of winter. That's not how the EPA tests. Stop it. Good job Chevy, though.
This continues to jive with my experience that Tesla's range numbers need to undergo about a 15% correction in order to compare directly with the range numbers published by other automakers. Hopefully, the EPA eliminates the option to use the more optimistic calculation, as the more conservative calculation used by most automakers translates to ICE owners and new EV buyers better.
Agree, but they won't, they rather tell you false range, so you go and buy them,
@@tonyn3227 That's why I said the EPA needs to take away the option to use the optimistic corrections. Right now, consumers cannot directly cross shop EVs using the EPA range and efficiency numbers, which is the entire purpose behind doing the testing.
These Guess-O-Meters (GOM) need to take a back seat.. I know they're irrelevant with route planning software, but the foundation of all "range anxiety" comes from that random number in bold print. The Mini SE is another example of having a pointless "range" number, frequently jumps around and will usually underestimate usable range by 10 or 20 miles.
Give me a percentage and I'll be happy.
Something is wrong with the Blazer range numbers. It showed 126 miles left BUT averaging 3.2 miles/kilowatt. 85 KW pack X 3.2 =272 miles total range from 100% to 0%.
272 total range -195 driven leaves 77 miles left, NOT 126 the car displayed. Curious what the actual remaining miles would have been back in Boulder?
And in reality most Tesla model Y's are the 330 epa Long Range model, not the 303 epa Performance you tested...The Long Range would give 10% better results closer to Blazer numbers. Blazer has good range but how fast does it charge vs Tesla? No matter, it's 2 years away from volume production
I just noticed the Blazer comes with either an 85kw or 105kw battery. The one in this test most likely had the larger pack so the range numbers jive more accurately. Would be curious to find out which pack it actually has????
as a tesla owner, I am starting to criticize tesla. They need to step it up. Their predictions are very inaccurate constantly changing.
Fun video as always but you guys really need to report SOC at the end instead of expected range. The Blazer has a guess-o-meter so that 126 miles of range at the end is hugely inflated by going downhill for the last part. In reality it is probably closer to (or even less) than the Tesla. Proof of this is in your own numbers: you got 3.2 mi/kWh in the Blazer times 85 kWh battery give the Blazer around 272 miles of total range. The Tesla got 3.8 mi/kWh which, multiplied by its 75 kWh battery gives 285 miles for the Model Y (which is a couple years old BTW). Neither is bad for winter hill driving.
I dont know man i can take my 2019 Silverado from St.Louis to Fort Myers on two fill ups once in Chattanooga and once in south Georgia. Thats thru the mountains of Tennessee and Atlanta traffic im not at this point ready to give up the comfort and safety of my truck for a range anxiety inducing EV. Plus your time waiting to charge is worth something.
Can't wait till you guys get a Cybertruck in the snow.
It’s funny how the EV haters talk crap about them, without ever actually owning one. I was one of those people. I now own a Tesla Model 3 and I love it! It’s STILL cheaper to own than a ICE! PERIOD! The hundreds of dollars a year and hours of waiting at the dealership on oil changes alone is a plus! Trips? No problem! Everyday driving? STILL no problem! It takes no longer to get a charge, use the bathroom, get a snack, eat lunch or dinner, and stretch your legs that it did with my gas powered car! If you live out in the middle of nowhere in Montana then I guess an EV is not for you! But for a majority of people, the current range that (at least a Tesla) has is more than adequate! Range anxiety when you first get one? Yep! It’s there! But after you adjust, you see that it’s not a problem! Even free chargers are everywhere! But nothing is as good as the supercharger system Tesla has. There is a free 32amp charger in a public park right next to my house! I get free charging at work! I rarely pay for charging! And when I do at home or on the road, it’s still way cheaper than gas! NOBODY is forcing people to buy an EV! If they aren’t for you, don’t buy one! But quit talking shit about them! It shows your ignorance!
Ok, I am confused why you didn't push through and see where the Tesla and the Blazer actually ran out and not just what the GOM said. It sounds like GM is actually going to come close to it's range estimate unlike Tesla who games the display and gives the drive the false impression of range it does not have. Definitely not what I expected, but feel like you guys aborted this run. Would like to see where these cars actually ran out and what was left. Please keep a running tally showing a ranking of mi/kwh, range remaining, power consumed so we have a ongoing leader board and have something to keep track of how all the tests have gone and what the most efficient and most range vehicles there are. Also good to know is the mile/percent regen they get. More data please.
They showed 3miles per kw several times on the solterra dash... at my states' $0.30 cents a kwh for power, you only need 22mpg at today's gas price to beat it.
Nice video, kind of laid back, good chemistry between all of you and nice background music! Thank you.
Thanks for watching and the kind comment t!
The EPA is responsible for the stated range, not Tesla.
I am assuming you guys know that range varies widely from the standardized EPA test results. It can be higher or lower depending upon the specific driving conditions. It’s no surprise it is much less driving up mountains at Interstate highway speeds. Same is true in a gas vehicle.
Tesla is always below EPA, no matter what the conditions. And what is your excuse for Chev beating EPA on the same route in the same temperatures?
@@TroySavary No excuse.
Tesla Model Y Performance (303 miles) : 3.82 miles/kWh. Miles done: 195. Range remaining: 50 miles. Total: 245 miles, so 22% less than what Tesla say.
Battery size: 75.0 kWh. 195 / 3.82 = 51 kWh. 75 / 51 = 47% more miles to go... so ~92 miles. But the car show ~50 miles. Strange.
Chevy Blazer EV RS eAWD (279 miles): 3.2 miles/kWh. Miles done: 195. Range remaining: 126 miles. Total: 321 miles, so 15% more than what GM say.
You know you're going slow when you are getting passed by a Jeep Compass. And I agree, CCS charging networks are a joke. I've rented several Teslas from Hertz over the past year, have always been able to plug in and charge without any issues.
WOW even with a brand new car Toyota has managed to make the dash look like it’s 10 year old technology
This was my experience with a Bolt vs Tesla. My Tesla was supposedly more efficient but the Bolt would continously have more range. My conclusion is that Tesla fudges numbers to get to their claims while GM does not. Can't say that'd a good look for Tesla. I don't think I'd buy another one.
Id get the Tesla without even watching this. Even if it got 1/10 the range. What good is an ev if no superchargers that work. Also it seems like GM gives up on every ev model after a year.
Also i dont want to pay 10-30k after 5+ years when the battery goes out.
You should be comparing Ev's that have similar battery packs. Also, the Tesla Model y has already 33000 miles on it. It might have some battery degradation. They should have compared all brand new cars.
If the range has degraded in an appreciable way that is absolutely unacceptable. Imagine if an ice car lost notable range that soon
There will be no battery degradation at 33k. Evs with 200,000 miles are showing 5-10%. This made up stuff isnt helpful
How can you test evs when you dont know what a traction battery is. Geez guys. Do some research
@@boomerbits2297 its just a stupid term that doesn’t pop up on other cars calm down
"Traction Battery" is the tecnical term for the high-voltage battery. The "EV-battery"
Duh
Yes, we all know. The point is that it should be named more intuitively. Why not call them the main battery and accessory battery, or even just drive battery and 12V battery.
@@Snerdles because Toyota. Toyota has no clue about user-facing software
@@bartwaggoner2000 I'm pretty sure most EV companies refer to the main battery as the traction battery. The people at my local Hyundai dealership call it that.
@@Snerdles ask your mother what a traction battery is when she sees the alert pop up on the screen of her Toyota.
My question long did it take you to charge the chevy and at what cost ? What is your time worth will you actually be ahead at the end of the day. My vote is that I'd get further, quicker for less money with the Tesla. Am I wrong, Roman ?
Where is the recap? Who many miles did they do each of them?
I have a new Ariya awd here in Denver I would have loved to throw into the mix! Also would be interesting to test the awd system from the GTR on your slip test.
GM is temporarily stopping the sale of the Chevrolet Blazer EV due to "software quality issues".😞
From other tests performed by RUclipsrs (especially CarWow) Tesla "hides" the full battery charge in the system, there is a considerable buffer after "0%". The EPA number is including this buffer, so the numbers are actually prety close to what they promise. However, the EPA number is an ideal case anyway, it's not an average case.
And when it comes to the numbers, also consider the fact that the Model Y has a much smaller battery than the Blazer EV. The usable battery in the Y is 79 kWh (where the real size is more like 86) while the Chevy has 150 kWh, so basically double than the Tesla.
@bytemark6508
And it would take longer (and more money) to charge the Chevy EV's bigger battery to achieve the same range.
Battery capacity in the Blazer is stated in the video to be 85 kWh and by GM to be either 85 or 102 kWh. (I suspect they got one that was 102 kWh.) It looks to me like GM has done a good job here.
Tesla also uses a different EPA test than most others (I think it's a 5 cycle test compared to others 3 cycle), which gives a more "optimistic" rating. If they used the same test as everyone else the 303 mile rating would be closer to 280 miles. 303 looks better than 280 so.....If the Chevy had a 150 kWh battery it would go 450 miles (give or take).
GM''s battery buffer is only like 5% so 5%+85 kW.
Lying to try to excuse the Tesla loss doesn't work when the numbers are in the video. Tesla cultists are pathetic.
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I'd be interested in seeing a comparable ICE car in this test, like a RAV4. No energy recouped going downhill, could be close perhaps?
"Close perhaps" 😂😂😂😂 funny. A rav 4 is way more efficient than a model 3 and its clearly better
@@TheAnnoyingBossthere isn't a reality where a gas car is more efficient than an EV. It can possibly get more range, but at the cost of much more energy used
Real life tests awesome and Merry Christmas
Subaru is the beset by far
Who mounted that freaking license plate on the subie 🤣😵
Should be comparing the Model Y Long Range which starts at $47,000. The epa range doesn't apply going up & down mountains in cold weather. All vehicles would have done better in warmer weather on a flat highway. Same case for ICE cars.......
Surprised with how efficient the Blazer was. It does have a bigger battery than the other two, so it should have the most range left.
GM often gives a lot of extra room for their range. As your battery degrades over time then you see the range numbers that the EPA has. 20 or 30% battery degradation is when you will see the promised range figures. Tesla doesn’t do that. If a Tesla says 300 miles than that is with 100% battery health, not 80%.
You stated that the temperature was 65 deg. when starting. It got cooler as you climbed the mountains. Were any of you using your heaters during the drive? I've read that the heaters will use up quite a large amount of charge. Also it seems like the Subaru needed to do some Nascar style drafting to save energy.
Even gas motors use more fuel when running the HVAC. Stands to reason that it would make a difference in electric vehicle.
Both the Tesla and Blazer's have a heat pump so their HVAC system is more efficient that the Subaru's.
I worked for Subaru when the soltera was about to be released. Running the heater drops the range to about 165 miles according to the class I was in for the car. It took 6 hours to get the cars from Portland to Seattle for the class because it took place in the winter and they used the heaters. It's about 175 miles and they had to stop for a charge on the way to make it since they didn't charge them past 85%.
@@jacobmcclure9786 Soltera has a poor charging curve, and also in winter best to precondition the car before driving so it doesn't use much energy to keep the vehicle heated while driving.
Roman, state law is "Keep right except to pass," don't drive in the fast lane, precisely for climbing passes.
It would really be nice to see a more meaningful comparison of these cars on a complete road trip, something like Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge or the Out of Spec 10% Challenge.
Set a route, take all the cars on the whole route. Charge as needed for best use of time. Then compare times at the end of the trip. If you did it this way, we would gain some insight into how the Tesla and the Blazer compare to each other.
This video doesn't really tell us much of anything except how bad the Subaru is for road trips -- not because of it's short range but because of it's slow charging.
It would also be nice to see how the Model Y Long Range compares to the Blazer RS. This would be the appropriate comparison.
Hint: The range difference would be smaller, the price difference would be greater, and the total trip time would probably be much faster in the Tesla -- but since you didn't do a total trip test, we have no idea. And since you tested the wrong version, the Tesla comes out looking bad.
Ill start a youtube channel and we are going to race coast to coast, san diego to the florida keys. Then youll see what vehicles are really efficient. The tesla will be the first electric vehicle to make it but its going to lsoe agaisjt every gasoline motor in the race
Roman, I don’t disagree with you one the overarching point of range especially going uphill. However there is a hole in your argument. The Tesla & Blazer were doing just fine on range. To me this is the difference between an automaker in Toyota who has a disdain EVs therefore they purposely set out to make an EV that would fail in every way. However Tesla & GM actually put effort into trying to make an EV that people would like & can use.
Didn’t you have 5? Isn’t the Blazer and Honda Prologue the same?
6, and Lyriq.
Range is very temp and speed dependent
My Bolt has gotten an indicated 340 miles per charge after driving 50mph or less, with a light foot, regen and no heater or AC
and an 180 miles after driving 70mph and blasting the heater.
Tesla does what tesla does. It kicks A**! That's all.
Smaller battery, more efficiency and best charging network. Oh tesla...😂
Impressed with the Blazer EV. As always great video.
Such fun! I'm all in on EVs though and to own one you have to adjust for charging but the rest of it is just pure fun for me.
Lol fun?? They're literally the most boring vehicles
The Solterra has 8.3"of ground clearance and the BZ4X has 8.1" so the BZ4X should have slightly more range within the margin of error and well nevermind.
I myself am tired of these non controlled non scientific test results. Any vehicle ICE or electric will have varying mileage results based on your driving habits and where you are going.
How do you know if the Blazer is predicting an accurate remaining range? I understand that it can probably go farther than the Tesla, the battery is 25% larger and the vehicle costs a lot more. The efficiency kinda says it all, the Tesla is still 17% more efficient while also charging loads faster. It's easy to get more range when companies just design in a huge battery, but the vehicle is heavier, performs worse, costs more and takes longer to charge.
A quick FYI to anyone reading and the show, if what you said about the blazer being 60k is true, then it is a 102kwh battery 😂 which would explain the range lol, please be sure to fact check people are buying cars from this show, great series otherwise
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You're right! I noticed the same thing..The Blazer has a 105 kw battery so costs 30% more to "fill up" than a Tesla model Y
The AWD Blazer in this video has a smaller 85 kWh battery. The RWD has the 102 kWh.
Look at the Tesla stans crying salty tears.
I think Electrify America is a front for oil companies to make people hate EVs. The Tesla charging experience is day and night.
Does the stations ever work correctly?
ElectriFry America is also the most expensive. What a winner!
I'm going to go into the tow business. I can use a gas or diesel truck and recover EVs stalled on the side of the road. That would be a money maker...
I would be curious how the Solterra does with some light offroading. It has the best ground clearance of these three. It isn't a distance driver at all, nor are it's siblings, the bZ4X and Lexus RZ, but it has some relative strengths.
Please stay tuned
But if you can’t get to the trails and back, does the off-road capabilities really matter?
@@cypvh74trailer it in. Like a rock-crawler
YES
@@TonyBasuro 😂
The EPA updated their testing methods. That Model Y Performance range has been updated down from 303 miles -> 285 miles. Even so, those aren't highway miles, and this is why the EPA needs to update how EV ranges are displayed here in the US, there should be a city range and highway range displayed, and possibly an average of the two. I would expect with pure highway driving a Model Y Performance, that it would get around 225 miles, not 285 miles.
Are we just to to ignore asking Andre why he has a roasting pan in his frunk?
I'll have to try this test in my 2015 Volt.
Initial thoughts as you drive off: the Tesla has aftermarket all weather tires (good choice) and non-aero wheels. That’ll hurt it a little. The other two we can assume are on factory wheels/tires
Those CrossClimate2 tires and non-aero wheels likely cut the range by close to 10%.
Tesla is well known to under perform when it comes to the range estimates they provided to the EPA compared to most other EV manufacturers though. Even a Chevy Bolt beat a model 3 in range testing on a previous TFL video.
Great points. As soon as you change from stock wheels, or tire tread, or size, you may not achieve rated range. This applies to ev, gasoline, and diesel vehicles.
@@bostondan77it is Chevy EV's vs the world!
@@chiplangowski3298Tesla still lost.
Try all that messing around with a charging station, when it's -50C. Electric car drivers must be some tough people. Why don't they put canopies over those charging stations to protect from the weather. The gas stations are quite cozy in my town, and it's great to interact with people in the neighbourhood. This electric car culture is quite anti-social. And then, there's all those cars burning up and recalled recently, like the Jeep Wrangler 4xe lol. Strength! GODspeed!
The tesla has the worst possible tires on it for this test. Probably a 10-15% hit right there. Put those tires on those other cars and you’ll get the same 10-15% reduction.
I don't know if I'm alone, but it feels like that Toyobaru would be more at home in 2014 instead of 2024. Odd styling, lowest range by far, bargain bin-looking dash tech...seems like this was completely outdated on day one.
Looking forward to the test with the Mustang Mach e.
Have they ever refreshed this vehicle?
@@bartwaggoner2000nope!
So you guys don’t actually think you will get max range in the cold on mountains passes right? Also max range is based on if you have the car charge itself to 100% which is very rare. 80-90% will be considered full to keep the battery degradation to a minimum
You say “brand new” but that Tesla is a few years old 🙄
Tesla model is old compared to new EV's from legacy brands.
@@normt430 I’m referring to the fact that he states he’s brought 3 brand new EV’s but the Tesla is clearly a few years old with 33k miles.
What does it matter? Do you drive your car to empty? Get a level 2 charger at home and always leave your house with full change. I've been drive EV's for the past 5yrs, never had an issue with running out of charge.