Scope mounts: Do I really need to spend so much?
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- Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2022
- This video is intended for new shooters who are trying to navigate the vast market around optics.
Here are two options that are equally reliable and near in weight. You can't go wrong with either.
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WARNE XSKEL MSR MOUNTS
SCALARWORKS LEAP MOUNTS
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Great video! From the half dozen or so cantilever and regular scope mounts I've used, you only need to spend extra if you want a good qd mount. Midwest Industries makes my favorite qd mounts. For standard mounts you don't need to spend crazy money. 60 bucks will get you a wonderful mount that can take on tons of abuse. What you need to look for is solid hardware that comes with your mount of choice. Strong screws with a deep head torx pattern to help counter any kind of stripping both the screw pattern and face. I've seen people that have kept everything within torque spec and still strip screws because they're not working off of a solid vice. Even 20in ibs can strip a good screw if you're not making sure your torque wrench / screwdriver is completely vertical with the hardware.
Great video. All really depends on your shooting. If you’re shooting past a couple hundred yards then yes it matters. I had an LPVO mounted in a Larue QD mount on a Scar 17 for years and loved it however once I started shooting at 400 yards with it I was getting inconsistent groupings so I marked the mount bolts and mounting position with a marker then notice after a range trip that the bolts were staying put but the optic mount itself was actually moving just a hair. Yes it was torqued down properly. I replaced it with a geissele one piece mount and that was better but that also moved over time. Eventually I coughed up the money for a Spuhr and that has not move. It’s been 4 years now and that mount is extremely solid and has not moved even a MM after about 6000 rounds. I’ve been extremely happy with Spuhr but man they ain’t cheap. I have 2000 yard rig now and run a Spuhr on a Schmidt and Bender 5-25 and if I do my part I can hit 8-10 inch groups on a plate at a mile. I have about 6 Spuhr mounts including a couple QD 4016’s on various rifles now and they do work well… buy once, cry once as they say.
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I didnt think about it at first, but when I thought about it, it maters much the quality.
I wish Warne made a 1.70 height.
No you don't need to spend that much. It's ridiculous honestly. I'm all about buy once, cry once but the cost of scope mounts is well above what you are getting now days.
Yeah 3-400 for a mount is just stupid….BUT everyone’s buying em
They way I think of it is can I make one for that price. You have machines that cost $100,000 to start. Then you have the coolant and maintenance oils. Carbide tools to cut the material and tool holders which are $200 to start. Programming time and your time to produce it.
Then you got the finishing anodize etc.
laser etching etc
Marketing
Building cost
Design/engineering.
Taxes/city documents
After all that you have to make a profit.
Cool shit ain’t cheap and cheap shit ain’t cool
Scalarworks are worth the money. Dont be a poor
Great review but I saw it too late!😂 I just ordered a Warne mount yesterday. Scalarworks is awesome and I have two of their mounts (Aimpoint PRO & Comp M5) and a couple of their front sights. I'm sure this scope mount it worth it but I didn't want to spend that much to mount a $300 scope.
Battling with this decision currently.
I just bought a Wharne Extended X-Skel 1-Piece MSR Scope Mount, but it's for my RPR in .338 and I'm praying that it can handle the recoil! 😕
I always get a kick out of seeing mounts that cost almost or over the amount spent on the scope. I see so many weird pairings come across my bench... I don't know if it's because of the area I'm in but anytime I work on a higher end AR it almost always has a truglo or Amazon special type optic.
Have been using a Warne mount for my Viper 1-6 for about a year and am quite happy with it.
I just got this combo as well.
I'm running a UTG Accusync on my precision LR308 right now, and it's every bit as good as a high priced mount. I don't care what anyone tells you... I have a couple of monstrum mounts that have held up as well.
I'm sorry, but $150+ for a scope mount is insane.
I’m glad those have held up for you! I don’t doubt that they are holding up, but I think when using brands like UTG and Monstrum we start to see batch quality control issues. Also materials used plays a huge factor. $150 now could save you a competition title, that buck you’ve been stalking, or who knows, maybe even your life.
@@rangetherapy8117 I get the idea behind the concept, I just disagree with it. I wouldn't dream of running Monstrum mounts on anything other than a plinker, but when you start talking about mounts like Scalarworks, Nightforce and Geissele, the cost is ridiculous.
Most of my more rugged builds run with either Weaver or SWFA mounts, and I've had zero issues whatsoever. My general purpose rifle has close to 13k rounds through it, and the SWFA mounts on it have outlasted a 4150 barrel.
The biggest thing I look at when it comes to a mount is what material it's made of. I typically prefer 7074 aluminum, but I'll run 6000 series if I absolutely have to. The Accusync mounts are made from 6061-T6 and at 5 ounces, as long as I do my part in installing it right, it's not going anywhere.
I've never understood the desire for QD mounts on an optic. I keep the torx key to take my scope off in the field stuffed in either the stock, pistol grip, or duct taped to a bipod leg. I run backup Irons on all my ARs, just in case.
Honestly, though, if your rifle takes a hit hard enough to shift POA/POI with 6061 aluminum mounts, you're going to have bigger problems... much bigger problems. Like, shattered lenses or warped scope body problems.
The crossbars that lock into the picatinny slots are the only part of a scope that I'm super snobby about, but that can be fixed with a tiny bit of loctite under and around the sides before you torque your mount down, and it'll never move.
Nothing wrong with wanting to have the best equipment, and I'm definitely not knocking anyone who springs for better scope mounts. It's just not a priority for me. I'd rather put that money towards a better bolt, or barrel.
I shoot anywhere from 1000 yards to over a mile and my single piece scope mounts are only 69 bucks.
What mounts are you using?
@@rangetherapy8117 Rigid Precision Mounts from Arken
@@rangetherapy8117 Rigid Precision Mounts From Arken
I have the opinion that you get what you pay for. Scalarworks and badger are incredibly high quality add in adm and you have
Several options that are higher quality than most. The biggest thing with brands like this is their quality products and their customer service
UTG/Leapers is made in Novi, MI, West of Detroit. NOT China.
You are 100% correct! I use some UTG products and will use mounts on .22LR things, but I've had a couple bad experiences with their mounts on anything bigger. Just my experience though, I know many who use their mounts on many different platforms and like them a lot.
I thought UTG was made in Taiwan?
Knight's Armament (KAC) vs Aero Precision? Thanks a lot.
You're asking Landcrusier vs Camry
UTG is better than it used to be, and has an American made line.
The gearqweering can get really out of control, and a lot of times those are the guys that not only can't shoot, but are lacking in other areas too.
UTG has come a long way in the last couple of years...I have several of their scope mounts and flip up rear sights, and they're just as good as my high end stuff.
Don't mistakenly assume "Made in USA" to mean "defect free".
ACME makes some excellent cheap mounts- they are heavy duty and have several different heights- including almost as tall as the 300$ mounts available. I have 2 of them- they work- both for under 100$.
Those are for weaver rails not Pic
The Burris Pepr mount is a good mount system as well. Very similar to Warne in quality and similar mounting. I do not like mounts that thread their screws into the thin walled lugs. Very stupid weak design. UTG does this and Aero so far I've seen, I'm sure many others do as well. One indicator of crap quality is low torque specs. The aero is 15 inch pounds. I picked up a aero ultralight mount some yrs back, and didn't really inspect it or question it, as was seeing all the hyped yt vids on it. Just got it out recently to mount a scope, and was amazed at the weak design. They don't even mention torque on or in box. You have to look for it online(also stupid). I wouldn't be proud of that spec and post it on the box either, probably wouldn't sell well at those airsoft/rimfire torque specs. They sure are over hyped. The UTG mounts do the same thing, thread into the lugs. The UTG mount would be a killer mount if would mount like the Burris and Warne. I plan on selling the Aero mount. I'm not going to even mess with it.
You make a really good point. Is the spec 15 inch pounds on the mount or rings?!
@@rangetherapy8117 Looks like both rings and base, if not its pretty lousy communication on Aeros part. Shouldn't have to look for a spec that should be included on or in box. I know threaded in the lugs like that will not allow for a lot of torque, and it will fail.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill yeah for sure could be better designed.
@@rangetherapy8117 I will also say, just looking at the primary arms cheaper 50-60 dollar mount, it even looks superior and states a 35-40 inch pound torque for pic rail mounting. My dad has one, and heard no complaints. I know you cant always go by reviews, and many try to gorilla tighten stuff as they have no idea what they are doing and it breaks/strips, but I've not seen much bad on the Primary Arms mounts either for their price. Not saying none are lemons, but they are also lifetime warranty if have issues.
400+ dollars for a scope mount?! Yeah, naw I can get an Areo Precision that's lighter and cheaper. Actually just about any quality ring/mount is cheaper. More power to ya
WARNE ARMY REPRESENT! Haha. My only gripe, is I cant use the Arisaka level system on it.
That's really good to know!
Not true. I just put the base of the Arisaka on top of the flats on the cantilever. Just make sure you’re two surfaces are flat to each other. I just did this a couple weeks ago.
@@mrjeffjob It's a royal pain in the ass and I can never get it perfect. I've tried many times, and given up. It consistently rocks the flat part off dead center flat. If that makes sense. Even with very little pressure. Maybe I'm an idiot and doing it wrong.
No. My mount was 12$ ,,,works just fine
That’s awesome! What are you running in your mount?
Love that intro song
Disagree with everyone in here. If you have few k in a gun and k or more also into an optic. You better spend a few hundred on a mount. Good material and state of the art manufacturing costs money. Firearms are quite simply put life saving devices that are worth what you pay in good. Period
100% 🍻
I agree I only use the best rings and bases I can get for my rifles. Lately I’ve been using MDT Precision Rings and the quality is fantastic. The MDT rings are going on my Sako S20 7mm REM Mag. Why would you chinz out on cheap scope mounts?
This reviewer has such a sexy voice... oh also phenomenal info in the review 👌
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Yes you do
People overlook Warne because they are “budget friendly”??? I have three of those Warne XSKEL mounts, two of which are QD, so WARNE absolutely makes these in QD. I consider WARNE XSKEL mounts to be top of the line, mostly because they are priced as high as a scope mount should ever be and they have every feature a top of the line scope mount should have and no crap making the price double and I honestly didn’t think a company was stupid enough to make a scope mount that cost over $400 and I certainly didn’t think the target consumer market could tolerate a scope mount costing that much. I’m not a poor by any means but bringing the cost of the $400 mount into perspective eliminates it for me. It does nothing to justify twice the cost, it doesn’t look like it costs $400+ so it can’t be shown off, and it’s half the cost of a budget AR or a third of the cost of a higher tier AR or half the cost of a Leupold VX-5HD and a quarter of the cost of a Colt Monolithic AR. Perspective is everything when it comes to cost in the accessory market and optics and mounts cost have yet to self correct. I understand the mount is made for PRS/precision rifles that cost $5k and I understand that the mount is made for $3k scopes, however those items have yet to cost correct as well. These manufacturers are making 1000% profit margins on these overpriced items and will continue to until people stop paying those prices. Kimber 1911s are a good example. 10 years ago you couldn’t find a Kimber 1911 for less than $1500 and now those same 1911s are $800-$1000 max out the door.
I couldn't agree more...$400+ is just stupid IMO but the gear-queers need to have something to brag about. The Warne is a really nice unit and I like the $90 Riton QD units too. For a budget friendly option I think its really hard to beat the UTG stuff. In the end they are all nothing more then a CNC machined chunk of aluminum and anyone can make a precision product with CNC
Nope, u don't. UTG had everything you need, built EXTREMELY well for very little money.
UTG is making some really good stuff these days. I have several of their scope mounts and have been very happy with them.
Just got a LA rue mount 250$ I will never buy another mount other then larue period.
I’ve owned a few LaRue mounts. Great mounts! Good choice!
Short answer. No. But if you have more money than brains, go for it.
Get rid of the intro.