Eric Mangini strongly disagrees Mahomes is a better QB than Tom Brady | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Eric Mangini joins Nick Wright and Cris Carter to discuss Patrick Mahomes. Nick makes the case why Mahomes is clearly on his way on becoming the greatest QB of all time, but hear why Mangini and CC strongly disagree.
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Is Patrick Mahomes a better QB than Tom Brady?
No, no rings.
Yes, right now he is.
Better arm, more athletic. Yeah at any point of Brady's career. Better QB mahomes still has a mountain to climb.
Nick riding them KC N-ut’s harrrrrd! Nick let the kid play quit putting future expectations on the man. He’s been in the league for 3 years let him make his own history quit trying to make history before it happens.
Yes, in his dreams🤣
If you split Tom Brady’s career in two, he would literally make it to the Hall of Fame TWICE. Let’s pump the breaks on this comparison for a minute.
@Brandon - Not to mention, we’ve heard this all before with Cam Newton. He won an MVP early on too. We was the next guy that was going to change the position... Change everything! He was also being lauded about being better than Brady early on. Before that, Michael Vick. These Brady haters should just take a number and have a seat.
If you separate Brady's career into two (2001-2009 and 2010-2019) and I would mark the draft of Gronk being the start of his second Hall of Fame career. The teams he had transitioned from early years being defense dominant to the later offensive juggernauts.
If you separate his career into three, first would be 2001-2006 (6 active years) being defense dominant team winning his first 3 Super Bowls. Second would be 2007-2013 (6 active years, with an injured inactive year of 2008), an offensive explosion and record breaking years, but losing two Super Bowls. Third would be 2014-2019 (6 active years and counting), his autumnal years of winning 3 Super Bowls in 4 appearances with a complete intellectual mastery of his position. So far 18 active stellar years. Any player would be in the hall of fame with just one of those 3 periods.
However you slice it, he deserves 2 or 3 gold jackets. On top of it with another factoid, the number of games he played exceeded the combined games of Joe Montana and Steve Young as 49ers, his childhood idols... AND winning more championships (with 9 SB appearances so far!!) than those two combined! The man has had an amazing career that's unparalleled!
@HP - Very true. Most people look at the 10 years that he didn’t win a Super Bowl without considering he was always in the picture and in fact lost two of them, and those were some of his best in terms of shattering records. So, yeah... You could actually divide his career in 3 and he’d make it to the hall of fame 3 times. It’s absolutely amazing. On a personal note - I was 27 years old when he won his first Super Bowl. I started my family then, (had two daughters), raised them, both in college now.. And Brady just won last year when I turned 45!!! THAT to me is insane!
@Shane H - The NFL was ready to take deflate gate to the Supreme Court and the Judge threw the NFL’s case out the window. Then the NFL still suspended Brady for 4 games, fined the Patriots and took draft picks. Meanwhile other players were beating their girlfriends and wives and whipping their little kids. Brady has won 3 AFC Championships and two Super Bowls since deflate gate anyway... You’re probably one of those guys that says the NFL goes out of there way to make sure Brady wins, yet you have all of this nonsense and attacks coming from the NFL and the Commissioner. The NFL does everything they can to make sure there is parody in the league and so that one team can’t dominate anymore. Example: Free Agency, Salary cap etc. You can’t have it both ways. Brady is the goat even when the NFL is trying to tear him down.
Clay So would Peyton Manning. Bad take
No hate on Patrick but he’s played 20 games. Great start but.... come on man.
Quel M come on what??? Do you even know what you are trying to say?? Lmao 😂
Clueless.
Dakota Brewer no hate. He is doing historically well. But they are anointing him goat already and it’s much too soon. Is Andrew Luck a hall of famer? No but everyone thought he would be. 2 years ago everyone said Wentz now they question his leadership. I understand by your comments you need your info spoon fed to you so all I’m saying is give it some time. If he plays near this level for his career 10+ years he will be the greatest but...come on man.
Um, have you seen the schedule in those "20 games?" Toughest 20 games in NFL.
Lol, just beat a very good Bal team. Now on to (2-0-1) Lions. Mahomes going for 3rd road win of this early season.
Jason Peters who cares? He’s not the greatest of all time yet. It’s been 20 games. The crazy numbers at the end of the day don’t matter. Peyton was great in college, what was his biggest failure? Never won the big game. Mahomes needs to win at least 4 titles before he has a shot since it seems pretty much guaranteed Brady will have 7 by the time he retires
Mahomes is a extremely talented kid but to achieve greatest of Brady he has to go long long way. Brady is GOAT.
So funny because Brady just broke another record.
Agree people are rushing
Mahomes is better than Brady now. I don’t think anyone is crazy enough to compare the two on a lifetime achievement scale.
U can’t compare two different qbs with different styles and strengths and determine which ones better
S Chochotte give Brady his weapons and then talk!
Nick Wright: “In his second year in the league, Tom Brady was nowhere near where Patrick Mahomes is now.”
Mangini: “Yeah, but he won a super bowl.”
😂 😆 😂 😆
Forreals 3 superbowls before 26 lol
Brady won a Super Bowl his first year as starter , 3 Super Bowls his first 4 years as stater. No comparison whatsoever
michael carter 😂😂😂
And the rules are different now Brady is in his 40s and putting up good numbers
Savage, Sauced, Burned
It's not clear to me what they're arguing about here.
Zack Dean if Mahommes is Better then Brady smh
Mahomes is a better overall player in almost every physical and statistical passing category than Brady has ever been but people never understand that and always come up with "bUt bRaDy hAs sIX rIngS" everyone understands that and no one is taking that from him but as an overall raw athlete/passer Mahomes is 10x better.
Mangini thinks Brady is better cuz of team accomplishments, while Nick RIGHT is arguing what makes up a better player and that Mahomes right now is better
PNW_PsilocybeJedi Again what people don’t understand when they argue team accomplishments is limiting it to just championship accolades. The qb position stat wise is probably the second most position in football that depends on other people to be great (probably other than WR or kicker/punter). Need great scheme, weapons (he has some of the fastest receivers in the game) opportunity ect. I can go on but to say qb stats are individual is blasphemous. Sometimes interceptions aren’t even on qbs. Don’t get me wrong I love patrick mahomes but don’t say championships or moments are team based but qb stats are not as individual as nick Wright makes it out to be. Andy Reid has a history of helping/making great or legendary qbs so this is no surprise.
@@YaMomsAHo23 Mahomes has barely over one year's worth of games. Saying he's better in every way then Tom Brady is so absurd at this point because the sample size is minuscule. Brady has almost as many years played as Mahomes has games played.
What a stupid argument. Brady is the GOAT. Let’s see where Mahomes is in the next 5-7 years..
This is a crazy debate at this point. Let Mahomes build his career first...
why is this even a topic of discussion? Mahomes has as many SB appearances as I do.
I think what people are arguing about is QB's and Skills Year 2.... Brady Year 2 V Mahomes Year 2
Amen to that.
Ratnadeep Simhadri Brady won a Super Bowl...
Exactly... Mahomes is only in his second year. It's crazy to make these comparisons now.
Brady's been great almost 20 YEARS. Mahomes has played 20 GAMES, LOL!!
Exactly lol sample size matters.
Except for the like 9 years? Between his super bowl appearances
@@hunterhoskins6171 By that logic than almost all the current quarterbacks haven't been great lol
@@heathhersom6579 never said any of them were did I?
@@hunterhoskins6171 So what did you say? lol
Let’s just ignore how Brady’s best wr is a former qb and mahomes best wr is the fastest player in the league
That wr hasn't even played this year
John Ross faster
Matt Parker 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Pauls Bunions no he isnt. Yes ross’s 40 time is faster but if you put them side to side on the field along w routes, tyreek hill will do everything quicker and faste
Let’s not ignore that Brady’s WR has one of the best stats in nfl playoff history.
The stupid thing is attach a "GOAT" convo to a second year starter. He is amazing. Let him be.
Preach
5 years tenure will open that discussion to cutting room floor, and then we'll see if hes made it. (Which, barring injury, he will)
Soft league from 10 years ago so of course he will break records - such a non conversation. The game has changed significantly because of the rules. Dan Marino was a beast but unless you watched him what do you know? Brady is the best.
He's not attaching "GOAT" on him. What he is saying is that the trajectory he's in with the talent, skill & brains the dude has. He cant without a doubt become the Greatest QB ever! *PROJECTIONS* Is what you call it buddy. Learn how to listen and break down an analysis.
@@rg20322 So the rules apply to Patty Mahomes but not Tom Brady? What kind of logic is that😂 They made the roughing the passer rule this detrimental cause of TOM BRADY! You guys are a bunch of hypocrites.
Coach is right on target. Nick is out to lunch. How many QBs have started off great and fizzled out?
NO ONE has ever started as hot as Mahomes. It isn't even close. Do some research.
So it's like rodgers first two years that make him an elite qb
Cam newton anybody ?
@Abel Ramirez learn to read, I did not say he is exactly the same, we where talking about QB´s that started great and the fizzled out. Are you claiming cam newton is not a good example for this ?
Joseph Mellen RG3
Let’s see if Mahomes had the same receivers Brady had and Brady have his receivers now. And let see how they would both do in yards lol.
Tom Brady doesn't keep score in yards. He keeps score in Lombardi Trophies.
That’s the greatness of Tom he can adapt to any offense to win, we saw run heavy offense last year and in 2007 we saw the greatest offense
Long Strange Trip yep. Like right now don’t even have a decent receiver but is still undefeated. And you can say the teams aren’t any good that he have played so far but it’s just people hating on Patriots if you ask me lol
are you kidding? The Chiefs have some of the best receiving players in the league. Gtf our of here with that. Machines is great but to compare him to Tom Brady right now doesn’t make sense
Gcool243 duh 🙄 I said what if Mahomes didn’t have that receiving core but The Patriots last year and see how he does
If Patrick Mahomes played for Mangini, he’d end up as Brady Quinn.
D Pham Any qb that plays for mangini would end up as Brady Quinn.
True
This guy has played 20 games and we already crowning him. Smdh
Cuz those 20 games are better than anyone else has ever had
The best twenty games in nfl history and he’s doing it right out of the gate
LowLip McGee i just wrote pretty much the same thing you did. Should have read yours first, but i got to say you’ve got a keen sense for the game
@@thekoolaidmaker5103 u too sir 👌 lol
@@FreequentFlyer where are the rings?..manning has 5mvps yet nobody says hes better then tom Brady..
Nick wright about to cry lol
Facts
lmaoooooooooo
Because Mangina is a pure Mahomes hater, and its like talking to a tree stump
Ryan Valdez he looks fine to me. So you are 100% wrong
@@AndrewsArchives agreed Eric is a pure hater. He's had chances to say Pat is impressive but he only throws shade. Pat only had the third best passing season in season 2 of his career.
Dan Marino: The Greatest QB to Never win a Super Bowl......
One of the greatest in general, its really sad that he never won it all
Nick is a KC fan ...he's so hurt...
As a Pats I have to agree with you Marino was amazing
Really Tom Brady has had the greatest career and is one of the greatest QB's ever but really it's hard to make a statement that he's better than every other QB in a team game. Brady, Manning, Staubach, Marino, Elway, Montana, Kelly and others are all the greatest. To call Tom Brady better than Roger Staubach is not realistic. Different teams, different era's. Tom Brady had the greatest career of any quarterback. What would happen if you put Brady back in time with Tom Landry and Staubach into the future with Bill Belichick?
@@animeshgandhi1551 I don't have a case. WTF are you talking about? He's not up there with Rice or LT. He's better than them.
I love how Nick’s voice keeps cracking like he is about to cry. He literally kicking and screaming like a child. Two years of work doesn’t eclipse 18 years of winning. Brady is the GOAT
Vincent Cabral he sounds the same when arguing Lebron over Jordan... he’s pathetic
He's a proven cheat is what he also is
Mangini wishes he was still with the Pats.
dmurphy1578 facts
You're not wrong lol... but he's not the only one. A lot of former NFL guys, particularly players, say they wished they could have been a Patriot. Nate Burleson is open about it.
Too bad that'll never happen again
Kurt Warner comes to mind also and he actually won a SB his 1st yr starting
Not anywhere close to mahomes statistically lol
If belichick and the Pat's organization were soooooo good, they would have been a super bowl contender with Bledsoe. Brady fundamentally changed that team and turned them into a dynasty
Get off the crackpipe
They were, they made the super bowl in 1996 with Bledsoe
@@titankiller5287 Yeah that was before belichick was the head coach lol
@@dustinwroten353
Uh yea, but like same organization, so your point is kinda invalid
Nick: Is 35 points not enough?
Snitch: No? they lost twice!
amazing.
Debate over
Such ignorance to say that 35 points isnt enough yet you praise it🤣 clown
They keep moving the goal post.
Tom Brady is the goal post. They move as he moves.
I mean they moved the goal posts on Brady for years when people started saying he was the GOAT.
So he just started kicking further until he was metaphorically hitting 85 yard kicks effortlessly.
Ouzy 360 they kept moving the goalpost for Brady. He always had to get more than 4 to pass Montana. If that’s the case, any other QB has to get at least 5
@@epap1375 Yes. Tom Brady won them without Belicheck. I mean winning 4 superbowls with under 300 passing yards is pretty historic! How did Brady do it!??!?!?!
Home Work with bills defence haha 😂
Eric Mangini, the ultimate authority on football with a 33-47 career coaching record...
so Nick Wrong has more clout lol?
@@genericpatsfan1620 Has-been vs Never was.
who is dumber?
@@rdecredico you'd have to go with Nick Wrong because he's in the business of coming up with hot/cold takes. Mangini at least opened up a playbook. Lol
That is basically the same winning percentage that Belichick had before he got Tom Brady...
So because a sportscaster never actually played the game at the highest level he can't have a tape that is correct? That's idiotic
And so is Eric Mangini
Bro Mahomes barely even been in the league can we just chill for a second...
"he's gotten closer to a Superbowl then any of the others this early in their career" oh really? Would you like to mention Brady getting a Superbowl his very first year as a starter?? That's what I thought.
lindseyhtf not too mention Tb12 is closer to number 7 than Mahomey is to number 1
Was his 2nd year in the league. same as Mahomes. Both sat a year.
If you use word math what he said is correct, in his first year as a starter her came within one game of reaching the SB so he was closer than anyone ever because TB12 actually made the SB. If TB12 would have lost in the AFC Champ game that year, he and Pat would be tied for who came the closest to getting to the SB in their first year. BTW Nick is a tool for making this statement, obviously his mouth outran his brain.
@@treestooges To be fair if not for the tuck rule Pats wouldn't have made that SB either. It's not like Brady rode a defense for his first two SB or anything.
@@joebin3286 If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. What is your point? Tom Brady has ring for a SB his first year as a starter (which makes Nick's comment factually incorrect) where in her was thrust from a backup to started mid game the argument could made that Pat had it easier as he was the starter going in to the season so he prepared as a starter leading up to the season vs playing 2nd or even 3rd fiddle as I recall Brady did. Go back and watch some Michigan football games, Brady's magic didn't start under BB or New England, he was saving games and winning games in college.
This is what is wrong with sports talk.....they debate the silliest things. Let Mahomes get a least halfway through his career before we try and decide where he ranks all-time. STOP IT people!
He hasn't even completed 2 full seasons yet. Sheesh.
Facts
and last year it was, "ok he did great that season let's see if he can repeat it" All he's done is do even more against 2 of the top defenses in the league so far. I'm not arguing he's the goat, that belongs to Brady for now. I'm just saying people keep saying "let's pump the brakes here" when all he does is prove them wrong week after week.
Byron Servies that’s right. He hasn’t. But you need to address the question. And the question is. Does he have it to be the greatest. Simple
Sports today!!? I dont get it either
@@lolpantsification Who is Mahomes WR core comapred to Bradys WR core this season? Lets swap em and see what happens?
Every team is built differently. The goal is simple win the SB. Peyton Manning set the records while TB took his team to nine SBs and won six.
It’s only been 2 years 🤣🤣🤣🤣 nick is such a prisoner of the moment it’s crazy
How you like me now?
Idk bro maybe he just knew what his eyes ws telling him
I'm a Patriots fan, but only taking the argument of the first half numbers is ridiculous when we praise Brady for all his comebacks. The 28-3 meme against the Falcons wouldn't have been possible until we came back in the 4th quarter.
So i definitely give Patrick Mahomes credit for his incredible performance in the second half. Anyone with eyes can see at this point he's the best QB in football, that doesn't mean he's the person I want to win a big game over Brady. Brady has 20 years of reading defenses and playing in the same system and a track record of winning when it counts, but this is 2 different arguments
J Serrano excellent point on the 28-3 meme.
Brady has a new system every year with all the player personnel changes the pats have from year to year.
J Serrano thank you for being a reasonable Patriots fan
@@KomodoDojo new players yeah, like every team, but Brady's had the same offensive coordinator for years now, probably longer than anyone in the league
@@blick5511 Okay, still doesn't change the fact the Pats run an offense based on personnel and not some kind of forced system like the west coast offense.
The offense McDaniels schemes changes year to year. He's had power-i; he's had two tightend sets, spread, wings, slot with two out, etc. The system changes week to week in all honesty depending on the opponent and how they decide to target weaknesses.
We should start counting mahomes passes in miles not yardage 😂
😅
So then he averages about 0.0017 per completion.
No everyone is debating 20 game Goats- Get rid of Nick and have some relevant discussions without the hissy fits when people dont agree.
My thumbs down is for nick ! He won’t admit that Brady is the standard so he’s using stats for his case to dethrone a legendary QB who’s been to the super bowl 9 times & possibly a tenth!!!
The only time Brady was the highest paid QB was when the market was changing. I guarantee he wasn't the highest paid player for long. Also, he restructured his contract NUMEROUS times to help the team out and bring other players in.
Tom Brady wife makes way more money then brady he can play for free if he wanted to.
@@gustavolimon3706 very true but he has been taking pay cuts and restructuring his contract since before her. He is smart. He knows if he wins big now that opens up the door to win even bigger in the long run.
Shawn Sanders so Mahomes is going to break the bank next contract going to be something stupid like 6-7 years 200 million and then when that contract is up he is going to want to get paid more money when he will be rich enough to take a contract like Brady using that as an excuse is lazy. Brady is the greatest team sports player of all time because all he cares about is winning. Look at Rodgers last night 1st and goal at the 1 they pass 4 times in a row because Rodgers needs to be the hero. Brady would run the ball 4 times because all he wants is the W.
I live in KC really happy about our QB . I didn't think he would regress this year like so many talking heads wanted to say all off season. BUT! There is no reason to have this conversation now. Let's all just enjoy watching him grow. It is a thrill ride every game.
At least you get it.
brady drafted 2000 won first super bowl 2001 im lost...
Here, lets go a little further!!! Brady won 3 super bowls before he lost two playoff games! Let them think about that!!! FACTS!!!
Nick is a biased Kansas City fan, he's the only one who ranks KC number one and NE three.
Look at how pathetic these “take shows” are, they are really asking if a 2nd year QB is better than a 6x Super Bowl winning QB.... unbelievable.
He is more athletic and more talented idk who you cant see that.. the word you may be looking for is accomplished
@@Sunnydeluxxxe isn't that how we judge quarterback, their accomplishment?
At this moment yes he is better than 6x super bowl winning QB Tom Brady. Y'all do realize everyone on the team gets a ring also not just Tom Brady. You can't tell me Tom Brady is playing the QB position better than Pat Mahomes. This isn't a career accomplishments debate its right now.
Ryan Valdez no that’s how we judge teams.
@@binieilish1430 ask baker mayfield lmao he would agree with you... at the end of the career we can talk about accomplishments TB is the goat QB Mahomes is more talented thats what Im saying
Nick clearly did not watch Tom's documentary. Early on in his career (I think it was just after they won their first super bowl), Tom was the one who suggested to have his salary adjusted so the team can sign more good players.
I really hope Pat Mahomes doesn’t end up like Marino with the all the HOF number but no super bowl ring :(
Thankfully you won't have to worry anymore.
Doesn't Mangini sound like Elmer Fudd a little bit?😂... That Waskally Wabbit😂
Brady #1. For now, let's see if Mahomes can sustain greatness.
Vesania Vidal he will
Vesania Vidal na mahomes is better
Mahomes is playing better than Brady.
@@RA-jr4bb it wasn't a conversation about who was playing better right now.... it was a conversation about whether Mahomes was on his way to becoming the GOAT....
Day by day , week by week ,
If he stays healthy through out his career, Mahomes will be successful, but to be successful like Brady in all aspects including Super Bowl Champions, can’t be said now , time will prove
Nick you got a lot of good points bro. But you talk WAY too much to allow them to get out. By the time you're done talking and filling every bit of air space with words I've forgotten what you initially were talking about.
Mahomes first has to be a Lord of the Rings before asking this question.
Lol, “can he bring his team to 9 Super Bowls” just saying that out loud... Mahomes has to get to the Super Bowl 50% of his seasons basically... he’s already behind the curve if he doesn’t make it this year. Not only that, but Andy Reid is not Belichick... Brady’s career is the culmination of so many good situations happening for one guy...having the greatest coach & GM, having one of the best team owners, being a high skill player, having highest level of work ethic, being married to one of the highest earning woman on the planet, all while getting lucky enough to avoid major injuries outside of the one lost season...
Mahomes is already behind.. Brady won 3 super bowls before he lost two playoff games
Nick stop arguing with Eric when it comes to the Patriots..he probably has Bill Belichick as his phone wallpaper.
The unwarranted negativity from Mangini
It's not negative it's the truth
@@steffensamlal1854 no it's not
@@steffensamlal1854 it's actually not. This man is talking about 1st halfs lmao
@@steffensamlal1854 Alternative truth. Patty Mahomes is ballin out. I'll save my energy for a real debate.
It is a little off putting to have to answer such a stupid question. Mahomes will never be in the goat conversation, there is no more goat conversation.
how is this civvie arguing with a former NFL coach and a former WR NFL receiver? this is stupid....
Mangini stays looking up in the air when he talks...😂😂
didnt Jim Kelly call his own plays also?
Hey remember when Eric Mangini was an awesome HC? Yeah me neither...
I spit out my drink reading this.
Yea, but he was a great coordinator! Think about that!
I’m sorry but Eric Mancini was a fantastic coordinator, go back and look at some of the teams he’s coached for
jjmah7- Mangini was a BRILLIANT coordinator, and for a while, head coach. His nickname was "Mangenius." Wise up.
Remember when Nick WRIGHT played I. The NFL. Yeah. Me neither
There's no comparison here the guy hasn't won anything yet, Tom Brady has won six Super Bowls.
There's no comparison, because Mahomes is so glaringly, obviously In-Your-Face better than Tom Brady, that any comparison is laughable.
Remind me again.... What has Eric Mangini ever done other than being a towel boy for Bill Belichick. Really don't care what he has to say.
Yeah maybe but he speaks the truth on this matter
But you care what Nick Wright says lmao
@@mrb532 actually yes!! Glad he's someone that actually gives the chiefs props for being the best offense in the league. For years the Chiefs have been garbage. Nobody is ready to accept that the Brady will be replaced as the greatest at some point. It just hurts a lot of feelings that it is going to be someone from the chiefs... sounds like you one of them!
doug peter you’re crying that Mangini never did anything. Please remind me what Nick Wright has ever done?
I think Eric Marini is being unfair to Mahomes and Nick is overrating Mahomes. Mahomes is an amazing player but he is no where near the greatest player ever conversation yet.
Mahomes is a very talented QB but being the best aint just about talent.
Being the BEST is about talent being the GREATEST is a whole different ballgame
@@kennethdenny7444 you got to have a team too. Tom has always had that
You're right it's about stats as well and Mahomes is first in every category for a QB, aside from QBR for this season. He's the best at QB right now this season.
olheadgohard Exactly, and a lot of people don’t understand that
Devin Gilliam Stats doesn’t determine who’s the greatest. Brady had better stats than Montana YEARS ago and people didn’t start saying he was better than Montana until he got to 5 rings and even then some people still said Montana. It’s about everything from stats, rings, MVP, SB MVP, their “mental” talent if you will, etc. Stats and benign flashy on the field doesn’t make you the greatest
Nick “Absolutely, but let’s not act like” Wright
How can't he understand and get it through his head "longevity " let's talk about it in mahomes 10th to 15th year in , nobody denies hes been really really good to start off . Jeez man
If we goin take away from mahomes stats bc of this era should we not be impressed with what Brady’s doin at 42 bc of this era ?
that makes no sense at all
Brady's first HoF career was in the old era. 2nd HoF in this one. He is the bridge...
Jack Blood didn’t say he wasn’t said he’s gettin the same benefits now so how is that a knock on mahomes if mahomes doin so good bc of this era why isn’t everybody putting up the same stats
scoops mcgee yes it does. You just cant understand it. People like to say mahomes is doing what he’s doing because of the soft nfl era he plays in. And then go on to praise Brady for playing at an elite level at 42 years old. It’s not a fair argument
Hiw many super bowls does he have?
Nick is wilding let that man get some more years in before coming with this argument.
Anwar Starwind Real Talk
Nick like a High Schooler on prom night, busting that nut in the back seat before that pants have even come off.
He's said to this point in his career has anyone been better before him
Are we seriously having this conversation? Can we wait until he actually has a career to look at before crowning him the greatest QB of all time?
Imagine Mahomes had James Harrison rushing at him with Polumolu.. defense has changed mannn
TheMrGizmo BEARS
Antonio Garcia James Harrison was a QB killer he ended careers. The bears aren’t allowed to hit the QB now so calm down with that comparison
@@brandonfritz5410 right! Mahomes is great but the NFL's defensive qualities has gone down drasssssticly. if he had James Rushing him and making him get out of the pockets then Polu would had eyes on him and watching. back through 06'-12' that was when defense won games
TheMrGizmo Mahomes would do better then Brady if they both had dat dude rushing at dem, cuz mahomes is a mobile QB and Brady is a pocket QB. Just look what happened when Brady got pressured against the giants in those 2 Super Bowls
@Gary Potter they do still exist and do a great job! they just don't play as hard as the previous decade. Emphasis on D has changed and the amount of quality has dropped.. no more MLBs like Ray or James to scare the QB over the line of scrimmage before a play was even called. Defense felt ,more impactful
Noone remembered Joe Montana😂
I remember, because hes one of the greatest, if not the best
Hes a great qb but man ALOT of his wr are wide open if hes on another team i think he drops down a lvl, great arm but yeah alot of his big plays are wide open he owes andy reid alot, just like tom with bill
Bill is not an offensive coach tho
Yea i know andy is doing for mahomes offensively what bill has done for brady in terms of always being a good defence
@@SmokinAcexX wrong tho brady hasnt always had a good defense and Brady sacrifices offensive talent for overall team talent
@@markusmahadeo1374 when has he not had a good defense
Maybe not great but always pretty good and i mostly talking about his early career when the pats were a great defence and tom was a great game manager and bill played/set tom up to do his best, just like andy offensively with his scemes and weapons are helping mahomes
The hate on pat is crazy
Tom Brady has done the most with less the best receiver he ever had was a 30 year old Randy Moss give him Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, and Sammy Watkins all in their prime to start his career under these rules
Eric Mangini is arguably the worlds biggest hater. Dude never has anything good to say.
Truer words have never been said 🤣
Exactly
That’s what coaching the Jets will do to you
Unless it's about the Pats or not sure but maybe the Jets
I hate Mangini. You are absolutely right.
When it comes to Mahomes people like Skip and Mangini keep moving the gold post. Mangini said Mahomes scored 9 points in their first meeting vs the Pats. True but i could've sworn the game is 4 quarters plus he scored 31 points in the second Belichick defense. Not his fault his defense gave up 43 points. A little stat here last year in the regular season in games the Chiefs lost Mahomes had an average of 38.5 points and his defense gave up 41 points on average in those losses.A lot of teams don't get to 38 points when they win. In the AFC championship game anybody who says Brady played better than Mahomes obviously didn't watch the game. Brady had 2 horrible picks including one in the end zone. Plus when Mahomes left the field he had the lead and he didn't get the ball in overtime so...Now about the money I do'nt remember Brady taking less money when he had his first contract.He took less money wayyy down the line and he could afford that why? Because he has a wife with a net worth of 400 Millions. Dan Marino is considered one of the great QB ever but how many superbowl does he have? huuuh none! Now what if Mahomes win this year MVP with another 50 and 5,000 and let's say he wins maybe 4 MVPs total and maybe 3 or 4 SuperBowls and when it's all said and done he holds all the records passings yards, TDs, long distance TD, what are these same people gonna say? Well Brady beat him twice in his first year starting so Brady still the GOAT smh..
Brady...
Mangina would say, "now that he's reached this level of success it's going to be about if he can sustain that into his 40's like tom did."
When they starting making them out of gold?
So hitting edleman in the hands and him deflecting in up in the air is Brady's fault? Lol.
By the way, I love Brady but his wife is worth over $100 million. He can afford the pay cut.
Thankyou Coach! Mahomes has great stats, and alot of prospect, but he has a 20year hill to climb to get near Bradys status.
This "All Time" argument is gett'n old.
and if he blows his ACL/MCL this year, we still having this convo? if brady got hurt this year he still would be the GOAT
Dan Marino at this point was definitely better and so was Warren Moon
@anthony gomes I was talking about Mahomes obviously
gomes bruh Nick Wright literally says in the video that in his opinion that no one was better than Patrick Mahomes at the point he's in, in his career. I then "at this point" in my response clearly it was to highlight what part of the video I was responding too it's called CONTEXT clues
This aged great
Year 2 and he’s the 🐐 Nick is such a prisoner of the moment 🤣🤣🤣
I really dont want to hear about Brady's taking pay cuts when his wife is richer than him.
Another dumb dumb assclown.
@shut up already thats cute, standing up for your boyfriend.
He's been doing that before he met his current wife.....boi
Too many people think just having a great passing arm makes you a great QB, but it's much more than that. Mahomes has great receivers, and Andy Reid designs great plays, on most of his great plays the receivers are wide open. Brady for most of his career has had to work with mediocre receivers.
Why do people keep acting like Brady isn’t playing under the same rules as everyone else??
The league wasn't what it is today until 10 years ago give or take a year or two. The only teams that were throwing the ball like this in the late 90's early 2000s were the Rams (Greatest Show On Turf) and the Colts (With Manning) It wasn't till 06-08 where teams started adopting the spread concepts and throwing it as much as they are and it's gotten progressively worse or better (depending on how you look at it) over the years especially with the constant rule changes hindering the defense. Point is Brady hasn't been playing in this "era" his entire career like Mahomes is/going forward.
This is the most ridiculous debate. Snub Roger's and Brees. Unbelievable
Mangina. He’s been in the league less than 3 years. What is your deal ? In his first year he led his team to the afc championship game. The MVP and TD’s and yardage Yet all you can do is bring him down
Dude is amazing to watch and him and Brady are better in respected areas. I dont know if he has Bradys clutch or leadership yet but once he does the Pats V Chiefs games are going to be even better to watch then right now-Pats fan
I can't with Nick Wright and how subjective he is every time Mahomes is brought up. He gets too defensive. Let Mahomes win.
he from Kansas City :)
Kiryu , right - so even more reason for him to be objective.
Matthew Davidson and mangina isn’t defensive when it comes to mahomes ? He admitted he moves the bat
peterfrknpan he’s just as subjective when it comes to Brady, which is a knock in and of itself. But he’s right, he’s played 20 games.
Nick Wright gets defensive because people look like idiots trying to discredit Mahomes and it's baffling
Give us the Patriots,were done talking.
Jenna over here like "ain't nobody got time for this arguement" 🤣
Witnessed Marino's 44 TD season: lost to Montana in SB, never went back. Dan Fouts had more 300+ yard (equivalent to 400 yards now) games than anyone else with Air Correal: never a SB. John Elway had more fourth quarter come backs than anyone: 2 SB's won, lost to Montana 44-10 last SB appearance. The SB era of the NFL is littered with incredible QB's that never came close to the accomplishments of TB12, but had great teams and coaches, just like him. Now the league is touch football basically and a 42 y/o QB is still winning with down field passing in a new era. Pump the brakes a little until Patty Mahomes strings together something similar. What is being said now is: PM is heads above the competition of his era, they all were.
Elway won in his last 2 SB appearances. vs G.B. 97, vs ATL 98
The one you cited vs the 49ers was, I believe, his 3rd SB appearance and the Niners completely destroyed them 55-10.
@@cortecz I stand corrected my friend. I may have been thinking of the game 44-0 (Bears?) about that time in that season. 49'ers were dominant for sure. With thanks for the correction, that team was dominant, but so were the rest of them. They come and go for a short time,,,usually. Rams, Cowboys, Steelers, Bills, Minnesota and even the early GB team in the first SB's. Point being, they are usually short-lived,,,Pats being the anomaly Even though the Bills and Minnesota lost four times in a row, they made it and were a force to be reckoned with. All good teams for their era.
@@kcender3771 I should have mentioned I completely agree with the point you were making. ;)
Why is this even a conversation right now lol mahomes is only in his second season as a starter. Nick is getting emotional about it too, like relax dude.
Nick is trying to say that Mahomes is more talented than Brady and has the potential to surpass him, but mangini just keeps talking about who won their games against each other as if either of them played defense.
Hey Christine Carter. His name isn't Patty....
Dan Marino had 48 Tds and 5000 yards his second year, we've seen a QB do this well, funny enough he never won a super bowl
Thankfully, Mahomes did follow that up with a Super Bowl win and Super Bowl MVP.
Last year nick said Aaron Rodgers now its Mahomes lol.... that man have 0 rings 0-2 vs Brady get beat at home smh Mahomes is a great player can be the greatest but let me see it first
Before all the defensive changes, Tom Brady lead the NFL in TD passes in his 3rd season in the league, his 2nd season starting.
This dude Brady throws screen passes and check downs all game and gets goat status, like belicheck doesn’t exist lol
I’m surprised that I agree with Nick! Stop moving the goal post to keep the past present !
Hadoram Barnett Don’t be a blind fanboy. Tom Brady is the goal post so they move as he moves. Let’s see Pat win at least 6 rings and get past those posts. Until he does it’s all a fairy tale.
Wow sis Kansas city turn him down for a job or something this guys is always like this lol
monute 316 agreed, dude a straight clown
every time i watch him... i hate it when he comes on the show.. he hated on kc every single time and been wrong every single time and still like this
Newsflash! Old men refuse to accept the next generational talents. Crazy, right!?!?!?
That's ONE Super Bowl down for Mahomes. And the illusion that Brady has played for peanuts is ignorance...
Can we stop calling him “Coach”?
Here come the salty Chiefs fans🤣🤣
Brady got his team to and won the super bowl in his first year as a starting quarterback! Patrick did not. Period. End of story!
It’s the perfect storm of ownership, coaching, player. The trinity of championships.
The genius of BB and TB in understanding their roles/gifts.
Also that contract nick talked about with Brady restricted that deal that same season, and it was constructed differently to be team friendly.
Hey Nick what’s that bulge in your throat? Oh it’s Mahomes...
Zero Hero 1/10 seen it before in the comments.
How can anybody watch the NFL right now and hate on what this kid has done?
Lol
@@jamesjones6069 No one is hating on Mahomes, but the Media knows people are foolish and will tune into arguments about whether Mahomes will be the GOAT one day. The Media likes to create these conversations, even though we know that it's unfair to put that kind of pressure on ANY QB. What Brady has done, not just in the regular season but the post season as well..... It's unheard of, and I personally believe will never happen again. Mahomes is great, and I personally believe he will be great for a long time. He's even a good guy from what I've heard, so I'm even happier that he is the next standard bearer for QB's once Brady is gone. With that being said, gaudy stats in an era where it's even MORE pass friendly than the vast majority of Brady's career do not stand up on their own. You've gotta have it all. You have to have post season success, good health, consistency, leadership, and the ability to be clutch the majority of the time. Mahomes has some of those right now, some of the other ones he can't "get" without a few more years of playing for obvious reasons.
and then he snowballed you
Eli"Let's bring team achievements to a debate over individual talent " Mangini
"Talent" Is by far the most overrated attribute an elite football player can have.
Massachusetts Sports Central mahomes does things better than Brady and makes throws Brady can’t.
Yung_Grouch you are right. Mahomes is way more talented then Brady, but he’s no wear near as smart as Brady. Brady has proven that a smarter mind is better then having physical talent. Before Mahomes, Rodgers was thought of as the most talented but he hasn’t had the success that Brady’s had even Rodgers has had better offensive talent around him.
Chris Wills my point exactly!!!! Especially in a real TEAM sport where each player HAS to do their job in a scheme vs basketball being more individual based!!!!
Plus in the NFL its been proven you don’t even have to have a elite QB or even near Elite for that matter!!!! Long as you have a run game and a great Defense (plus good game day scheme) a decent QB jobs becomes just don’t turn the ball over and they could win!!!!
It’s HARD to say who is a goat a QB because it’s some much that has to go with that... MORE than any sport!!! But far as individual talent and skill you would definitely have to say Mahomes!!!!
U said it best
Eric has the right to be wrong.