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- Even though you have an ELD that doesn't mean you won't get a log ticket. Drivers are not logging their Pre-trip correctly on their ELD or EOBR or ELOG and the DOT has figured this out. While the FMCSA does not dictate how long it should be logged, 1 minute but is not enough. I know it takes your 14 away but your ELD must show a Pre-trip in an amount of time it takes to do one. Don't get a ticket, log it like you do it on your ELD. Do you have to log a pre trip inspection? Yes, I think you do need to log a pretrip inspection. You have to log a post trip inspection as well. How to log a pre trip inspection is not what we are saying, just that you must log a pre trip inspection or you can get a ticket.
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Also consider after a fatality crash, lawyers will go back in 'discovery' and get access to your last 6 months worth of logs looking for patterns of illegality on the electronic logs.
EXACTLY!
scottied67 agree 100% with all above
scottied67 f*** the.
In my opinion 6 months is irrelevant. The only thing that should be in question is what the driver did the day of the accident and possibly the day before.
@@wmg33 If Joe Blow has to go to court to answer a lawsuit against him or for citations from law enforcement, the opposing counsel or prosecutor can certainly subpoena for the logs and look at whatever they want, unless Joe's lawyer can get the judge to deny the request. Your opinion is irrelevant. I can't spell it out more then that!!
I don't have too worry about ELD's, my peterbilt truck is 43 years old.
Hell's yeah!. Happy to hear you held on to it. Mine 379EXD is 26 years old.
That's going to change because of the units that do not need the CPU.
Yeah. I just came out of a 20 year FL. Owner had to get a Samsung Tablet and a program called Drivers log. It knew when the truck was moving or setting. No CPU needed and those that went and bought old POS and yes I've heard then brag and I knew their songs would turn to tears!
You can't beat the goverment in trucking.
ELD is your enemy.
When you get held up at the shipper or receiver, 2 hours here 3 hours there, & maybe you've rested up during, but your clock is still ticking, and you cannot reclaim that time back, causing drivers to rush and be less safe trying to beat the clock. GPS tracking your every move, cameras up everywhere, interstates and all weigh stations. You're 30 minutes away from your destination and you're out of time now. 10 hours down, and now you have to wait till the next day to deliver that load. Try and buck the system, but now they can say, "we have you on camera coming through our way station at X 'oclock, you falsified your log" now pay up! You not only missed a few hours from having to wait till the next day to deliver, but now you have a fine on top of that. You my friend cannot change your ELD log, & if you do, they can show on their end what they have recorded. Point being, more unlawful freedom's being taken away from hardworking citizens, bending you over the barrel further, not giving you a leg to stand on. Eld's open the door up wide for many ways to cut your check, & to put under / out of business, smaller mom-and-pop operations, & independent owner op's, & MANY operating equipment much older than 2 or 3 years old, although yet may be safe, but still, chances of equipment breaking down, lost time, much greater. Sure I would like a nice new truck, but I would rather have an older one, without the def, without 100 sensors/amission mechanicals that give problems all the time, & or maybe it's a financial thing that fits more my budget. -kind of like the fast food chains, & the Walmart s, putting all the small mom and pops out of business. Tyranny at its finest.
I always logged 15 min pre/post never had a problem.
I always logged the time it took to check the oil and get a breakfast burrito, so that way the time always varied and it didn't look like I was just sitting in my truck watching the clock.
Burrito time can vary greatly. 😃
THANKS PAL
True
me too Abby Babby
Bingo. The answer to my question. I searched deep on internet and you have those answers about how much time for pre trip. I think 15 minutes is enough
Pre trip and post trips tell you a lot about your truck! Now retired, but used to pretrip/15mins-post trip/15mins and log both of them even if it was paper logs or elogs along with any defect that needed attention! No problem!!
Catch stuff early before it becomes a big problem.
I have hit on duty pretrip, flip the hood pull the dipstick check coolant and belts flip the hood down walk around and look at tires and back in the truck in 10 minutes. Always a good idea to. You dont want to wake up throw on clothes and pop the brakes time to roll and come into a scale. And get the Park bring all your crap in and get told you got a flat or your airline springis broke and your trailer lines are dragging the ground or something of that nature. Heres your out of service and possible ticket. And you have to call someone to come fix you before you can leave. And then dispatch screaming why are you late? Why didnt you check your equipment? Same goes for scaling. Scale your load make sure its legal before you go. Save alot of grief making sure your stuff is up to snuff. Only thing that comes out of it is a inconvience being delayed for inspection if you know everythings in good order
Exactly.
Problem is freaking lazy A drivers... So lazy I've seen them not even step down from the truck to take a leak in the middle of a parking lot. These new non driving steering wheel holders are trash... Pure trash !!
Yuck. 🤢
I would suggest 30 minutes for pre-trip because the air brake test takes at least 15 minutes to do which is a "HUGE" part of your daily inspection and at least 5 minutes for a post trip which is nothing more than a visual walk around hands free.
gimik2 i disagree with you. YOU get loaded, YOU sign the paperwork. YOU dont scale it. Or if YOU see its overweight after scaling and run with it anyway and you get caught. Its on YOU. no exceptions. The weight is put on the bills. Sometimes its not accurate. Either way you scale the load and if its not legal. Tell your company and take it back to the shipper and show them the scale ticket. And make them get it right. If they refuse then tell your company or broker and let them deal with it. Worse case scenario they can just unload it and you lose the load. But if you take a load and know its overweight and you get busted for it. Its the drivers own fault and deserve the ticket
Every company I've ever worked for in more than 28 years, has required 15 minutes logged for pretrip.
I’m listening to this video and remembering a call I made to D.O.T. while working with Schneider. The lady who answered said “A pre-trip is mandatory and a post trip is only needed if you find a fault and it isn’t fixed”. A Post Trip is not ticket worthy and a Pre-Trip should not be less then 15 minutes, even if you aren’t actually doing all 15 minutes.
Taught to always log 15 min in the log book for pre/post-trip. All companies I worked for allowed and paid for this. I am glad too have a habit I never will be ticked for. Laziness or forgetting to do what is required in trucking is no excuse. Remember we are called "professional" drivers.
Post trip isn't required to be logged. It is not an inspection. As for an officer asking you to prove you can do a pre-trip within a certain amount of time, you do not work for him, and you do not have to fulfill that request. If you have only shown a few minutes, he is most likely going to ticket you. But if you have shown the standard 15 minutes and he doesn't believe you, and tells you he wants you to do a 15-minute pre-trip for him, do what I have done several times in the past 20-plus years. Tell him that as soon as he signs an employment contract and pays you in advance, you will be glad to work for him for 15 minutes.
Ralph Fiscus The requirement isn't to do a particular inspection, it is rather to be satisfied the vehicle is in safe operating condition. That is subjective.
Steven Strimling That's why I said it's not an inspection. I've went round and round with multiple companies trying to make me log a post-trip. I refused, as it was not an accurate representation of my activity, and thereby a falsification. One company actually changed their handbook to require an actual inspection of the equipment, after the trip, completely abandoning the term "post-trip." lol
I still didn't do it, though. Nobody is going to fire a veteran driver over silliness.
Anything you do on the truck ...checking lights or just walking around kicking the tires is " On Duty "
The thing is you don't have to prove to them you can do a pre-trip in a minute they got to prove to you that you can't okay that's the way the law works
Log 10 to 15 minutes. To damn easy. Only stupid gets a ticket for this!
Love your vids! Short, sweet, concise
Thats why I always take at least 15min for pre and post trip inspections, even though im doing other stuff most days. Lol.
Mike Like be very quiet.. the Department of Transportation is listening🆘😜
Mike Like if your post trip is good most likely nothings changed when you go back on duty. If you check your truck out periodically during the day you know what kind of shape ypur truck is in and any problems that may be developing and shouldn't have to spend a lot of time on pretrips. It's been a while but wasn't 15 minutes minimum on paper logs and you had to fill out back of log plus a Vehicle condition report? Refresh my memory. The paperwork alone on pretrip was very time consuming plus getting your logbook to the same place you are before you start driving. My company would audit our logs very closely and we would get wrote up for speeding. I got a ticket in New York once for log Violation. Very costly. I believe it was not filling out either back of log or vehicle condition report. Can't remember. Good luck truckers.
Trucking answers love you brother nobody else puts it straight up like you do really appreciate it
I've told so many drivers this and am pretty convinced that many have to learn the hard way
Good advice. I have been logging PTI's but stopped recently now I am going to do it every time. Thanks for advice.
You're welcome.
Great Video. Good reminder and congrats on year 1! Looking forward to year 2 brother!
Thank you. Me too!
I log 15 minutes every morning for filling up my 5 gallon bucket with mountain dew before I hit the road
I need one of those lol
Hell yea bother
Yeah, never needed a 15 min., but its better than a 2 year ticket on my record. ;)
I love and appreciate all the info you give.
Thank you!
Nice job and honest help for truckers in special for new ones.
Thanks for the heads up.
I laughed so hard when you said 1min pretrip prove it. I do 15min every start of the day.
When I was OTR for CFI 20 years ago, I logged a DVIR when I fueled once a day. That counted at my daily inspection. I drove for them from 1999 until 2003. Had plenty of Log book inspections and never was ticketed for a pretrip or post trip violation. I drive a coal truck locally now. Still using paper Logs. Still haven’t had any tickets.
Thanks bro for the heads up!
You're welcome.
100% truth !!!
Thank You !!!
Thank you.
Great tip thanks
Thank you.
Great video. and worst of all, IT IS ALL TRUE!
I do linehaul and I hook up my set using on duty yard move. Right after I hook the set I switch to pre trip. Then I hook up the air lines, electrical, raise the landing gears and do a walk around of the tractor/trailers. Do any paperwork and whatever else. By then 15-20min has gone by. Switch to driving and take off. Never had a problem with the DOT. Other thing you should do is log your trailer(s) and/or dolly. I noticed the last time DOT checked my logs that they checked to see if the trailers and dolly I was hooked to were noted on the log.
Thank you it's great info for all drivers
Thank you
thanks for the "heads up", our company told us there was no such " pre/post trips anymore, therefore none had to be logged, however the ""yard move"" status that our give us, should be used for pre/post trips, but only for our own safety , he said, ill be sure to put myself on duty before move from now on...thanks good info.
You're welcome. Yard move is definitely NOT for pre or post trip. You're company is having you falsify your logs.
Also, don't forget to enter LOAD information, Load#, BOL#, date, trailer#. They'er checking that too.
Very true.
Really.
And certifying your logs at the end of the day.
Lately I would just enter 000. I heard it was all non sense.
Good luck out there. Been off the road 20 years. Hang in there most of the drivers I ever knew would get the job done regardless of what the dot or the company threw at them.
Lester Hall .... getting the job done was the priority, keeping company and customers happy made U money. I did it for 30yrs, (class 8, 3+ mil.miles) I'm a old OutLaw, Thru the book out the R/ window and did what had to be done, performing with safely in mind.
Hauled a$$ and hauled frieght.
This "ELD" is nothing but BS and your just a puppet on a string or your just a number. Observe to what is happening in the trucking industry now. More government ways to fine ($).... Driver shortage, accidents caused by rookies (steering wheel holders) without proper training....The disgusted experienced OTR drivers trying to get local positions or quitting.... I think the Morons @ DOT want us to work 8 to 4- 30, take a half-hour lunch, and quit for the day. That's not the way it works. The Idiots who write these Dame regulations have no idea to what we have to put up with, or do. Slow moving city convoys (8am and 5pm) and dodging amateur four-wheel drivers. Hard on our health, and nerves, and equipment, and fuel. Time away from home, missing the Wife, brth days, kids schooling and graduations.... Maintaining extra expenses, maintaining house expenses, Insurance on vehicles and Road expenses. We drive because, we like the freedom of the road, the many friends we make in our daily job... Helping tie down and tarping aload, also helping another tired driver, to finger print a load, on or off.....What we need to do is boycott, protest everything, tickets, fines($) Cops, conduct and attitude in court.... If enough of us companies and drivers protest, I think, we as a working force can PULL together and stir the POT to get attention to our cause....All we can do is try, Keep the Dirty Dn,. N
The shiny side up.... Drive Safe....
It's dangerous out there.
Thanks you Sir for the info!
You're welcome.
Good information 👍
Thank you.
I was told that you mark off 15 minutes of onduty not driving for each a pre and post trip inspection. .Thanks for the headsup
Not only do I do a thorough pre trip for the obvious, I do it for peace of mind knowing nothing major is going to happen to cause an accident, or much worse a fatality.
I did a drop and hook today at Orofield Cold Storage in Allentown and the trailer had the mud flap ripped off, took about ten additional minutes to repair and I logged it as such.
I figure the ticket for falsifying logs will cost much more than I'll make in ten minutes of driving. As far as post trip I log long enough to thump the tires, check the lights and squirt the dirt, unless I'm on a paved lot of course.
Safe travels and God Bless!
great news thanks
Been driving for 16+ years and have ALWAYS done a 15 minute Pre-Trip and a Post-Trip Inspection on 15 minutes NEVER had problems with the DOT!!
Up here in Ontario Canada, the MOT (DOT) Inspectors have told us they want to see at least 30 minutes pre-trip (tractor and trailer). They also want to see a post-trip of 10-15 minutes but if a day or two a week is missed due to HOS, that is ok.
First tic mark on the paper logs are 15 min. So on ELD, thats what I do. Also like to make sure king pin wasn't pulled by somebody in the night , and lose or drop trailer.
Always pull check everywhere!
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Thank you Driver.
You're welcome.
These days some cops are super smart. No matter if you did 10 - 15 min PTI, they can ask you to show him your emergency triangles and if you won’t able to show it from the first time, he will consider that you didn’t do your pretrip. So, know your equipment.
Old school knowledge I'm Retired Trucking 27 yrs medical & never missed a pre trip or even post trip walk-around to make sure & never lost a load maybe late but never lost
Good videos!! E logs 💣
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Good video. I log 15 minutes on GP
Thank you.
i do a pre trip and a post trip but have never logged it. Have been inspected many times in many different states ,never a problem🤞
Working for a big company I always check my tires and breaks on my trailer since I know most drivers don’t check them.
Big company here, too. You couldn't be more right.
Congratulations on your 1st year.
Thank you! Many more to come!
Um click on duty get OUT OF THE TRUCK and do the inspection, than you will never have to worry if you have enough time logged
I woke up at a trucks only, no facility place.
A cop was parked right in front of my truck just watching me when I opened my curtain.
I got out of my truck to bring my bag of trash to the dumpster right behind him,....
He just saw me do that and drove away...
I was like...*Huh??*
You couldn't pay me to wear a badge...
I wish they'd go work the US highways and find the H1 Visa drivers and companies NOT PAYING TAXES.
Drives our wages down as OwnerOps!!!
Yesss, u r RIGHT!!
Good Video
Do you have any videos on the pre trip inspection plus the right way to fill the log books out, i know my question sounds dumb but i Just acquired my CDl class A, Any advice would be much appreciated
thanks for the heads up.
My bad habit.
I pretrip before turning on the clock, no notes.
No post trip, I'm just headed for bed and honestly don't care.
If I find a flat tire, fluid leak, etc the next day.
That's the company's prob.
I'm usually maxed out or past hours anyway.
😁 You're welcome
This is interesting. The rubber grommets curl sometimes that create an air leak. If you don't push your red button, use your 5th wheel puller to hold down the trailer break, how are you going to know if you have an air leak and brake lights that are all working? How do you know if the brake canisters aren't leaking? It takes about 10 min to do the above plus 5 min to put your load info into the eld. Sometimes it takes less time and you can even adjust your trailer tandems. Hmmm. 15 min...
I do a minimum 15 min or more every pre and post on the eld... also when u hit a cat scale make sure u go to on duty and state why ur in duty.. DOT looking at that eld hard now.
I always do my pre trip before I start my log just in case I find something like a low tire that’s going to take me more than 5 minutes I’ll log more time for a post trip also log inter trip inspection after being down for a couple hours mid day if I’m doing a 7-3 split always take a circle around after you have been parked and away from your truck just never know what you might find
The company I work for automatically does the pre trip when you log in and the post trip when you log out. So there is no forgetting it. You still have to have the 15 min on duty before you drive or log out.
That's a good idea from your company.
I just thought of something. With everything being computerized and big brother is doing everything he can to keep an eye on everybody, what if and I do me what if, cops will eventually be able to just randomly pull our e logs without our consent though the internet and if they find any log violations they will just mail the ticket to your house or to the company you work for? As you pull into a weigh station that can just type in your truck number and pretty much everything about you pops up. Your DL, home address (if you have one), cell phone number, email (if its on file), and of course your ELD from the last 8 days. I believe this WILL happen eventually. I need to get out this industry.
They are currently testing e-readers for scales. The truck would transmit the info as you go by. Coming soon.....
Oh, you better believe, it's just a matter of time until they require all elog data to be uploaded to FMCSA on a daily basis, it will be electronically analyzed and tickets will be mailed to the driver/company for every violation.
Right now in the US it is illegal for an ELD to do that for the exact reason you're worried about. So make sure you watch any legislation that is proposed about the issue and if they try to let that future be a reality, I'll be right there protesting with you
I log fifteen minutes and sometimes I'm logging longer. If I want to make sure that my cold tire pressure is correct it usually takes more than fifteen minutes to complete.
Take my advice...go around all scalehouses..and stay off i80 across indiana...if you dont want to get extorted...go back roads..unless your in nyc or boston etc..it will take about 1hr 20mins of your time a day..but...no extortion..no headaches...
Also post trips. If you fuel at the end of the day, make sure you're hitting fuel first, then hit the buttons for post trip. Do it the other way around and it's a violation.
Spon Rilker There is no requirement to put "fueling" or "post trip" in the description of the change of duty status.
Question 23: When the driver’s duty status changes, do §§395.8(c) or 395.8(h)(5)require a description of on-duty not driving activities (“fueling,” “pre-trip,” “loading,” “unloading,”, etc.) in the remarks section in addition to the name of the nearest city, town or village followed by the State abbreviation?
Guidance: No. Many motor carriers require drivers to identify work performed during a change of duty status. Part 395 neither requires nor prohibits this practice.
So why would doing them in reverse order be a violation?
I've got an e log. And I run local. Drayage. Container chassis are notoriously junk. A pretrip takes me 30 min. From clockin to out the gate. Longer if I need fuel /def.
My biggest complaint is having to fix the lites. And expired tags/fed inspection. It's better to have 2 shifts of mechanics and a great maintenance system than new trucks and a mechanic that keeps bankers hours.
I always log 10 too 15 min, I always check my lights because that will get you pulled over quick. We all know you don’t need too check fluids everyday if you know your rig but a quick look at tires and under hood never hurts.
Yes.
So glad i got the eff outta trucking!
I move from sleeper to off duty for 30 mins then to line 4 for 15 mins pre-trip then off to the races. At end of day, 15 mins post trip.
I always show a 15 minute pre-trip on my ELD and you can just flag a post trip you don’t have to show anytime on duty thanks for the video
You're welcome. All time inspecting a truck is on-duty time.
A question Mark, regarding Post trip inspections. Are they to be logged on duty as a pretrip is logged or can I log it off duty. And how is a post trip inspection logged off duty anyway, I don't see how it can be anything but logged a other 15 to 20 minutes on duty. A post trip is nothing more than a visual walk around and shouldn't require on duty status. Enlighten me if you would, many thanks for what you're doing here
It all comes down to the $$. That's all cops care about!
One of these days it willbe a felony to drive a truck.
Cops? Wtf do cops get out of giving drivers tickets?
If you wanna know who it is that gains from the trucking industries being over regulated (again) then look no further than the railroad companies.
They're the biggest lobby group advocating restrictions and regulations in washington.
It's the politicians in washington who only care about money because those clowns know NOTHING about our plight and they don't care.. All they are concerned with are the donations fron special interests groups.
Lol...cops are only doing their jobs just like we are.
@ well they need intermodal drivers just as bad. Perhaps they should be more competitive in pricing. Unless they want to build bullet freight trains for time sensitive freight lol
@ Their jobs are highway men robbing us at gunpoint because the cops benefit from writing tickets.
@ "Wtf do cops get out of giving drivers tickets?"
- Their quota met so they don't get hassled.
I wish I could like this video about 500 more times. I tell all of our new drivers the same thing... what do they do? Drop the trailer in the yard, go off duty and head home. Laziness is a disease slowly eating our industry like a cancer.
Yes. I wish you could like it 500 more times, too!
7 to 10 mins is the least amount of time you can show for a pre trip. Been told this ever since they put it my truck
Also watch for GPS position on windshield. One guy got a ticket because his was positioned within the path of the wiper blade. Cop said it was obscuring his vision of the road. Next they will be checking to see if your underwear is on the right way round. Hate ELD’s cause more stress in an already stressful job. Shoot I wish everyone was scrutinized as much as we truckers are. Trucking is the life blood of every country. Maybe if everyone had to log their every move they would see first hand what a joke it all is.
As to pre tip logging, unless I am mistaken, logging a "pre trip" is not a line specific item. What I mean is, if the driver is confident in the compliant condition of the vehicle, he logs it by default. Default, as I describe it, is that if the driver has gone on duty, i.e. operating the vehicle, by default he has logged the "pre trip". If there is a discovered defect, after the driver has, by default, made it known that his confidence in the vehicle's condition is compliant, then it would suffice that in mid flight, he either had a failure of the equipment, or that he did not detect the failed part on the pre trip.
A post trip, on the other hand, is specific to a particular time, length of time logged and log line space.
Also, a driver that logs a post trip, is now extending his on duty time, even if he works on the dock, after his logging the post trip.
Further, I once heard a X-DOT officer state that no where does it state that you have to do more than draw your line down signifying "Where" it happened, period!
You should make a comprehensive list of the trucking companies that have scored well on your analysis.
So true
When I was at Stevens ppl weren’t doing pre trips or post trips the were just sitting so they were getting harmed up for pattern logging
Yeah I'm with them now and my trainer is pushing me to drive without logging a pretrip. Or giving me 3 min to do pretrip.
@@mht2166 I’d seriously dime them out that’s your cdl that you have to protect. Plus you can fire your trainer and they will find you another one
You also have to do pre trip for every drop and hook you must pre trip your trailer each time
Yes
As a team driver.. I do my pre.. as he goes around and will do his post, and vis versa all at the fuel island and never takes extra time. All legal.
Is there any platform for independent driver's who cannot afford higher priced equipment, Thanks for any feedback (Paperwork it's difficult & time consuming for myself)
Check load securement within first 50 miles, and then within the first 150 miles after that, and each subsequent 150, also tires must be checked at all 150 mile intervals, must do quick inspection of truck/trailer Fines......
How I do pre trips depends on the equipment. If I'm hooking to a trailer for the first time I go over it a little better then a trailer iv been pulling for a few days. I've found I can do a full pre trip in 7 minutes and 5 minutes is what I show for a post trip.
Agree.
When I worked for a mega carrier, they had us represent 15 minutes on the PTs so I just do that now. I mean, ya, you can spend 15 minutes on PT if you're going line by line on it. You know, the kind of pre-trip you do when you're in school. But we would spend 3 minutes checking lights and tires and 12 minutes getting coffee.
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Yes.
I always do 15 min pretrip plus I always look when ever I stop just not log it. But I've never showed a post trip. Never had a problem with post trip. Just wondering if you have to show post trip???
I log 8-15 mins pre but i never do a post. Like wtf do a post when your gonna do another pre the next day
Post trip will benefit you. If you find minor issues you can at least sign in the truck shop so they can get parts ordered. The less time you are down the more money you make. Carry a brake tool and adjust your brakes at the end of the day, this way if you find a brake that won't take an adjustment you can take care of it before you screw up the load your working on. Screw up the load your on and you could screw up any preplanned loads following that load. Log out of your ELD and assign the drive time to the shop during the time they have the truck when you log back in after getting your truck back. GET YOUR SLEEP THOUGH EVEN IF YOU DO SCREW UP THE LOAD. I am speaking expressly about minor repairs, tire, light, brakes, leaky hose etc....suck it up on overnight repairs your life is more valuable than a days work.
@@juliovaldez6310 This makes zero sense, "If your truck checks out in the morning not much will change during the drive without notice." First there's plenty of things ya wouldn't notice while driving. But more important if your truck checks out in the evening even less will change during the night without notice. The post is MORE important then the pre for exactly the reasons David mentioned. Issues found during post you have more time to deal with.
@@juliovaldez6310 hmmm crayons, me hungry.
Exactly people lack the ability for practical thinking,
@@juliovaldez6310 within 50 miles kick tires and check load securement, even in box van, then within each 150 miles thereafter, note location and "vehicle inspection."
Yep
When I drove for Werner. When my break was over. I automatically went to driving. The computer back in Omaha added automatically 15 min for my pretrip. I didn't need to do anything to add it.
I know this is an old video, so I don't know if I'm going to get a response or not. but I figured it's worth a shot.
Let me give you a sinario and get your opinion on it.
I get to a shipper to pick up a load towards the end of a shift.
I end up getting stuck there a few hours waiting to be loaded, and by the time I leave my 14 hour clock in gone.
So i PC to a truck stop to do my 10, and i log on duty and complete my post-trip.
After that happens, if I get pulled in for an inspection, how likely is in that I will get a ticket for a HOS violation for that?
I know it is a legitimate violation, but that's a better option than not doing a post-trip inspection isn't it?
I know this is older video but also watch out if logging a pre trip you can't be inside truck stop getting something to eat and charging stuff on credit card. Lot of people use cerdit cards for every today or pay with phone technology. You actually have to do a pre trip and nothing else
Yes.
In an accident investigation they will use time stamps on your receipts,camera footage, footage from highway cameras
Pre trip and post trip are complete when the driver is satisfied. 5-7 mins tops and I'm gone. And yes I had my legs audited already and passed no violations lol
I log five minutes each for pretrip and post trip.Also five minutes for check in at customer. Only fuel stops are logged as it happens.
You're still showing something.
When I went through orientation with my company, we were told that the DOT isn't looking at post trips, only pre trips. They did say that the company wants us to do post trips though.
Yes, you should.
Been driving since 2003.
I never been asked why I don’t do post trips and why I don’t flag sleeper birth.
I only do off duty and only do pre trips.
NEVER had an issue.
I have found using sleeper birth can allow you to drive again after only an 8 hr reset. You can get back your remaining duty time you had prior to sleeper birth. If you had 1.5 hrs left you get it back. When its used up you need a 2 hr break off duty. I don’t always drive again after 8 hrs but it has helped make appts on time I use it.
2BitUser yea . I heard guys do that split sleeper.
It is my understanding that you don't have to do a pre trip and a post trip. I have been told that you can do either one but don't have to do both. Tell me if I am wrong.
No mandate for post trip 🤔 just states a pretrip/post-trip must be done every 24 hours: or before next operation,
As stated in its simplest form:
Guidance: Section 396.11(a) requires every driver to prepare a DVIR at the completion or start of work on each vehicle operated. A driver who operates two or more vehicles in a 24-hour-period must prepare a DVIR at the completion of the tour of duty in each vehicle.
What is the purpose of a post-trip, if your going to have a pre-trip the next morning. Anything worth noting at post will be seen at pre
I would suggest 30 minutes for pre-trip because the air brake test takes at least 15 minutes to do which is a "HUGE" part of your daily inspection and at least 5 minutes for a post trip which is nothing more than a visual walk around hands free.
If u work for a company ask safety or log department how long would they prefare u to do pre and post trip its simple truck driver ask questions
I thought a pretrip was the drive in to work;)))
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ups kc no. Pretrip inspection is when you go outside and pee on the wheel
Andriy Selezen Dually noted!!
Geesh will you get a ticket if your in a box truck with elogs? Ive been running logs for years since a couple of my routes go past 150 mile radius and we had to put an elog in the truck. I have yet to be ckecked by DOT since ive only been stopped near my home base so they havent asked to look at it yet. Anyone know if the same elog requirements for 18 wheelers apply to a 26ft truck?
According to the green book, you're not required to do a post trip unless you're running hazardous materials or running a flatbed with securment devices. I don't have the exact wording right now but I have proven it to DOT many times and to a couple large carriers that I worked for.
396.11 Report required. Every motor carrier shall require its drivers to report, and every driver shall prepare a report in writing at the completion of each day's work on each vehicle operated.
Drivers are not required to prepare or submit a report if no defect or deficiency is discovered by or reported to the driver.
How do you know if you should prepare a post-trip report (DVIR) if you don't inspect the vehicle?
Your suggested flatbed and hazmat exemptions are no where to be found.
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Yeah, but the report can be completed during the pretrip in the morning. You're only required to inspect the truck at the beginning of your shift, unless you're haulling hazmat or a flatbed with securment devices. Normally if you have an issue later in the day, you'd Log inspected truck for issues and you can amend the dvir. So therefore you don't have to do a post trip or log one unless there is an issue. Because unless you're hauling hazmat or a flatbed with securment devices. You only have to inspect once a day. I don't have my book handy but I have read this section several hundred times and think I know what I'm talking about. If not, I would've got so many tickets in the last 15yrs that I wouldn't have a CDL anymore.
I have noted you still don't have your book handy from yesterday.