IS IT MORALLY OK TO RESPOND W/ VIOLENCE? Destiny Defends Himself In 1v2 Debate
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2023
- DEBATE: Destiny debates on whether or not posting memes about a religion can justify violence...
Date: 13 Mar, 2023
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Imagine bitching about islamophobia and hate crimes while advocating for intolerance of speech via violence.
if you can't take jokes about mohamed sucking off jesus, maybe america isn't right for you. hey nick where you at the ethnostate thing?
@@seto_kaiba_ I'm a muslim and find it so hilarious. It's like the only ppl who get to talk about our views are these braindead idiots
Imagine being 30 minutes in having not figured out how your ski mask works.
@@noori770 stop justifying clear threats.
They're literally making a rational case that you SHOULD be afraid 😂
"He understood the risks he was taking mocking Islam". My guy. That's the debate. There should be no mortal risk for mockery.
Agreed, except when they mock me
try mock the holocaust in tel aviv
@@Afff924 you wont get killed for it lmao
@@Afff924 Do you imagine I support mortal harm for that act?
@@Breakbeat90s my point is that mocking/disrepecting things that people care about IN REAL LIFE will get you touched in all parts of the world.
Oh my lord, a moderator with the ability and willingness to mute unruly participant. This is so appreciated.
A good mod indeed!
It’s lame Broh I wanted this to be like the Jerry Springer shows. It’s the sole reason I watch debates. It scratches that white trailer trash tv guilty pleasure itch I have lol.
The thing that angers me the most about these people is they are taking advantage of liberal free speech to argue against freedom of speech and liberalism. It’s so incredibly bad faith how they get all hurt when people make fun of them online even though they know that if the roles were reversed they would have all of us stoned to death for daring to question their God.
It’s kind of poetic in a sense that they’re calling the very rights that makes their existence able to happen the thing that is tyrannizing them.
Exactly. Complete bs…
Paradox of intolerance.
The rules ARE reversed in countries like Turkey and Egypt so where’s the stoning?
@@Ko0okieeZbro, Saudi Arabia burned some women for witchcraft recently. There are constant stonings in Islamic countries.
Imagine being so soft that you think the law should intervene for insults.
While I agree its weak it is actually illegal in for example germany to publicly insult someone, and you can sue someone for it
For real, my dude
@@JDyo001 damn really? I thought we where soft here in the uk
@@JDyo001 How weak.
No wonder they lost the wars (lul)
Not only that, this religion claims it's the one true one, and the people who don't believe in it will be in flames 😅, you'd think if you really were following the absolute true religion, then you wouldn't be so fragile 🤔
So at the end of this convo I have come to realize that if someone has deluded themselves into LOVING Dumbledore HARD ENOUGH, it is morally acceptable for them to answer with physical violence if someone were to insult him. Great.
I'm coming for all those twitter people who have disrespected my waifu.
I'm starting a TERF Crusade against Dumbledore haters
@@klosar6666 Unironically, according to these guys - you have every right to.
Is that you making fun of people like me who love and worship Dumbledore 🧐, you just made me angry 😡💢, I have the right to respond to your comments with violence 👊👊✊, you are putting other Dumbledore followers in harm therefore my violence is justified
I mean, I feel like we also have to take into consideration the mental health of someone. Someone who loves Dumbledore in that situation probably doesn't have the capacity to understand why violence is ok. That is why we usually remove them from society if meds don't help.
"I think if you're in the moral minority, you are wrong."
This has some real "if my friend jumped off a bridge, I'd jump off too," energy.
I also don't think the 70% figure he gave is correct, at least not in the way he said it. China has limits of freedom of speech but primarily against the government not Religion, I don't believe. Most of the West does not have these limitations except against Muslims. Now that I think about it, it's mostly either Muslims or authoritarian governments that have limited free speech.
Hey, you know what, props to the moderator. He's based, skilled, fair and effective. One of the better ones I've seen in this kind of debate.
anyone who actually actively mutes belligerent guests is a champion in my book
No religion is beyond judgment or critiscism. Period!
yeah while i am not a religious person i find these 2 to only hurt their own case.
What do you think up chat shit get banged ?
Man that’s true but some get a pass by a side and any talk will land you with a label or worst (cancel or harm)
Yeah, it's really assuring to know that someone isn't committing a violent action because they're afraid that some invisible dude in the sky will punish them in the afterlife, and not because they have an actual shred of empathy towards other humans. Morality is not static nor determined by any single entity; morality is dynamic and requires constant scrutiny from everyone.
Except when you're gratuitously being offensive and using vulgar language speaking about a religious figure to offend people. Offending and genuine criticism are two different things. Swearing at Jesus to anger Christians and criticising the historicity are two different things.
There are many Muslims that don't even believe the small details Destiny has been trashing muslims about. Big show of lack of wisdom on his part.
"Islamaphobia": The irrational fear of being decapitated.
Lmfao
“Mason *”: perfect husband material if you gave me the chance.
Nice
Honestly i kinda like getting stoned to death
@@HauntedOne666 Kinky
"I'm glad I got the Atlantic and the Pacific blocking me from all the crazies from other places, so amen to my country I guess."
This line fucking killed me. LOL
However it really is amazing to me how a seemingly reasonable human being like the guy in the lower left can take such a seemingly crazy position that you should be able to attack people physically for insulting someone's parents.
America is leading when it comes to violence and killing people . The other guy lives in Dubai one of the safest and most happiest places in earth . Yet Destiny acts as if he lives in this heaven . Everyone outside the USA describes USA as dumb people and unsafe.
"should be able to" and "morally justifiable" are different standards
19:42 the fact he started screaming over that relatively tame comment shows how much of a savage this guy is
It's so funny how many creators are terrified of Islam, and Destiny just shits on the fanatics. It's hilarious and one of the reasons I love Destiny.
I for my complaints, But this is entertaining. But wouldn’t destiny chastise anyone being transphobic for not believing in transsexuality as anything other than autoeroticism whatever?
It's funny until he is inevitably decapitated at an event or something
@@MrPerfume1979 Quran tells to win Kafir land and take Ziziya and says Polytheists are worst creatures and Gay people must be killed 😆😆. But if you question this you'r Pislmaophobic 🥺😭💔
Rational fear of Islam is called Common sense while Irrational fear is Islamophobia. Understand Islamophobia:
When Victim is Non Muslim and Perpetrator is Muslim ----- then Non Muslim must be Islamophobic so Muslim got offended and killed 🥺.
When Perpetrator is Non Muslim and Victim is Muslim --- then of course Perpetrator is Islamophobic so harmed Muslim. Chuslim I mean Muslim are the most evil creatures on this planet 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Bro your woman must wear Hijab since women are like lollipop 🍭🍬 and need to be covered and if you Question this you are Islamophobic 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Implying that Destiny was in the wrong because a majority would disagree with him was a very pants on head moment. Many opinions that are popular now were ridiculed and rarely held in the past. This is why arguing and challenging opinions is important. Everyone should want to hold the most true and moral beliefs possible.
"Would you then agree that 70% of the world is uncivilized?"
*CHAD YES*
most people probably would say that they wouldn't pay taxes or that gays should be allowed to exist if polled globally lmao
@@BasedPoliwhirl I know, like why would everyone want to be coming to America if the other places weren’t at least A LITTLE BIT less civilized than America? It’s a pretty dumb argument on his part, almost like he wanted to clickbait Destiny into calling others unicivilized
Isn’t that democracy? If 70% of americans held those views are you gonna riot against the government now?
His logic comes from the quran being correct. Contravening established truths, even if they're false, doesn't serve his world view.
1:08:37 bros argument is literally “being mean hurt, so I resort to violence” bro is a menace to recess
Absolutely insane. Straight up they believe if you love Dumbledore enough, you should be allowed to respond to Dumbledore hecklers with violence. My goodness, I'm glad people like this aren't important here.
I’ve never been more grateful to be in the USA than after hearing those 2 lunatics justify violence over words for nearly 2 hours.
Even more to be un Uruguay where religion was kicked out of the state 100 years ago.
qorantos is a future terrorist, im calling it now
Yeah thank god we only justify mass violence over crackheads overdosing and disagreeing with Alex Jones on election results
🇺🇸
Yeah hearing somebody unironically say that mean tweets can hurt somebody’s feelings therefore the state should fine them for it is fucking insane.
I think it's astonishing that responding with violence isn't considered savagery. What a joke.
Disrespect a black person then and see what happens in real life. You white Americans only talk when theres no direct consequences
what do you think would happen if a black creater, a muslim would insult white/christians on twitter, he would probably get a million death threats before getting banned
Everyone on the left loves violence. Until it's the right doing it.
destiny saying that its ok to kill the guy that was ddosing him isn't though? peak zoomerism.
You can’t fight huh?
All i can say is if you hide your face while saying somebody else should get punched in the face. Your morals are already messed up no matter what faith
This guy just reinforced my bias against Muslims
holy
Holy shiet, these guys are working harder to convince me of islamophonia than any other conservative. Hopefully everyones principles are strong enough to withstand these doofuses.
Honestly it was people like this and the Lefts constant attempts to pretend they don't exist that led me down a right wing rabbit hole. I don't think Islam in inherently bad but it does have a problem with these kinds of people.
Luckily I got out of the whole right wing circle jerk in the end but still.
You shouldn't even be saying that. Your principles SHOULD stand the tide.
@@Veganstega Well we’re all human that have flaws and our opinion can be swayed. No human can withstand the urge to be Islamophobic just a little bit by hearing these 2. At least they are just 2 people and not the whole group
@@supergamergrill7734 Cool then just give up then. Or grow some b*lls and stick by your principles
Destiny was the doofus on this panel.
Guy in the mask is an amazing debater. 2 hours and a 100% inability to paraphrase his opponent.
He actually did paraphrase early on, I was kind of impressed coming off all those redpill arguments.
He can’t think over his unhinged screaming and equating deep fake porn of Destiny’s small child to a depiction or joke of a made up god.
This conversation is a perfact example of why certain cultures cannot coexist thats why im very big on nation sovereignty and having different cultures having their own countries the issue comes into when you go into another country with already established norms and civil liberties and try to impose your norms onto theirs
"Someone can have love and respect for Harry Potter, that doesn't mean they can attack me in the street if I shit on Dumbledore". I just about fell out of my chair, lol. He doesn't even have a response to that one.
I laughed because I know for a fact that there are people who would do that xD
poor Destiny. When he realized his opponent had spent no time researching the case he must have felt like someone prepping super hard for a bake-off, only to see the opponent walk in with a cup of instant-noodles
This comment made me respect women 100x more.
I love Destiny
@@leroiken9856 i love cup noodles
😄 that analogy
Noodles
I love that the guy can't say Hindu, can only say "pagan" religion. And he says that Islam isn't fragile, can't even speak the name of a non-abrahamic religion.
im sooo happy that someone is calling these extremists out .
- I think it's wrong to insult Dumbledore
- Sure, but I don't think anyone should be treated with violence for that
- Well.... That's your opinion....
LMAO
Timestamp?
@@paulsinih7404 1:34:37
Gottem.
@@OneRedKraken this is your 🧠 on religion
"and the majority of people disagree with you" Fucking psychotic
Mostly peaceful death threats…
@@voidmayonnaise In his defense he did say probably 100%. I’d go with 99.9%.
@@voidmayonnaise imagine the amount of death threats people recieve for just being a streamer, now calculate how many of them DIED because of that.
I think the chance of death threats being acted upon is 1 in 10,000,000, you might me luckier to win a lotto than get killed by someone sending death threats
@@undead2146 I don't know. I feel like a lot of public personalities, including streamers, are killed. I just did a quick google search and looks like another one was killed 3 days ago. Though I guess there are also a lot of death threats. Definitely less likely to win the lottery though.
@@undead2146 yeah but how many of those people posted cartoons of Mohammed? We’ve seen before where that leads…
Mostly Peaceful Religion
"If you just did it based off of humor, tell me the humor in: 'Pre pubescent be upon him' "
Seldom does the universe set up a one liner delivered so perfectly.
The dudes debating Destiny are SO unbelievably unintelligent LMAO
Plz keep this Islam arc going, so many taking the bait. They are so emotionally undeveloped, and proud of it to boost, just begging to be ridiculed.
It's actually dangerous doing this, if he pisses off enough of them they will organise and attempt to kill him. If you live in Europe I'm sure you are aware of this.
Americans seriously underestimate just how backwards and sensitive the average Muslim is.
I swear everyone is pissing their pants talking about that subject. Even a fucking andrew tate got no balls.
I hope destiny goes even harder at Islam, with more disrespect
Their argument literally comes down to “It hurts our feelings extra more when our prophet is made fun of so violence is justified”
Do they care as much if someone insults their god? This weird hyper-focused zealotry for some dude who was human is insane to me.
Christians at least believe Christ WAS god, so their defense of him makes more sense to me lol
@@Polydueces when u look at it from a Christian country it’s very easy to see Muslim faith in a bad fashion and the only way you can get rid of that idea is by researching into it with an open mind.
I can answer a few questions if you want.
@@derpalerpalerp5879 No, no, you misunderstand. I'm on center of neutrality, this has nothing to do with Christians vs Muslims, or which is better, or seeing one or the other in a bad light. I was simply using an example of another faith that worships a prophet. I only have the one question. Why is Mohammed adored to such a degree that Muslims flip their shit every time he's insulted?
Simultaneously, we have millions of atheists who don't just insult god, but deny his very existence, which I would think would be the ultimate insult. Yet, there's no inherent rage at atheists. And if you wanted to include Christians in the over all question, people insult Jesus Christ all the time, constantly. It's part of the normal variety of swearing, to blaspheme Jesus Christ. But Christians turn the other cheek and Muslims threaten to cave in your skull. That's the disconnect.
Again, this ISN'T west vs east or culture clash. I have absolutely no interest in some sort of religious conversion attempt or war against my personal beliefs. I just want to know why Islam worships a man so hard.
@@Polydueces the reason prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is held to such high regards is due to his importance as the last prophet, the one who Allah revealed the Quran to and to Muslims he is the example of what a perfect human should be, a man of faith and a man that is strong, kind and protective of the people around him so when the main Muslim role model is insulted it’s seen as a direct threat to Muslims as Muhammad is someone that muslims should try to be like.
And on your point of why muslims are defensive is due to culture as Muslims are told to be peaceful and only act in self defence, However the culture in some Muslim countries is very aggressive and oppressive which goes against the teachings of Islam ( for example women can not be forced to wear the hijab in Islam yet some countries try to enforce a compulsory hijab this is completely a human/cultural thing), this same culture is seen in the extremes like isis or terrorist groups across the world, aswell as these people threatening violence and harm upon those who mock the prophet, which gives Islam a bad reputation as most people don’t know enough to discern these groups values and actions from islamic rules and teachings.
I probably missed a few things or that might not have been clear but thank you for not being outright rude about the religion like a lot of the comments in this video have been.
@@derpalerpalerp5879 Again, this isn't a, "Christianity is right, Islam is wrong," thing, it's literally just taking objective perspectives and how things have developed. Christianity had its own age of ultra-violence in the crusades, and perhaps that's a product of any wide-spread religion. It could be that if the population is too much of one thing, they just naturally schism, creating denominations of the same faith, which has been witnessed in both Christianity and Islam already.
Thus, I'm not concerned with the perceived violence of Muslims. I work in a very diverse environment with Sikh, atheist, Christian, Muslim, Hindi etc and we all get along fine and we're all aware there are crazies elsewhere in the world in each faith. But I had an actual incident at a restaurant with a friend, where he was talking about exactly what you mentioned, essentially the conflicts in the middle east and said something like, "F'in Muhammed," as some Muslims walked past and it almost came to blows, their reaction was so stark. So even the peaceful Muslims in my area of the world are still capable of the violence I'm asking about.
If I walked into a church and openly blasphemed Christ, I'd expect at worst to be escorted out of the building. I'd be terrified of the parallel experience in an Islamic establishment.
edit: maybe it's the unknown that's scary. If I sat down with a Muslim coworker and said that, they'd probably frown at me and be offended in peace.
It’s hilarious how the same people who say clowning on Islam is harmful will advocate for Andrew Tate and deny any of his messaging being harmful to woman
It's insane to me how much they worship Muhammed. Christians believe JC WAS GOD, so it makes sense. Muslims understand that Muhammed was just human and they have much fiercer reactions to bad mouthing their prophet than a Christian does to bad mouthing JC. And Islam recognizes JC as a prophet as well, why is there night and day difference in their deference of the two just because to them Muhammed was the last prophet?? Well until Muhammed said anything the whole world was already under the impression that JC was the last prophet and they've acted confused about Christianity's annoyance about the matter ever since. It's definitely a fragile faith made up of extremely violent sects.
As destiny said, “Muhammad is not your daddy”
This one was a bit frustrating, but I appreciate everyone who came on for being honest and willing to engage!
This has been some of the best content I've seen from you since you soyed out about Dylan going to Ukraine
you did good! :) I think u and Destiny are in the majority. I dont think the global majority believes violence is the acceptable response to verbal insults. thanks for taking on this debate.
This is such an interesting debate, thanks for setting it up 👍
Thanks for being biased in Destiny's favour.
Although, it's hard not to be: considering the untenable position his opponent is defending.
You should ask to get this comment pinned, my dude
I'm religious and think this muslim view is embarrassing. My belief in God should not be bruised by what others, especially atheist's think. Muslim's reacting this way about criticisms of their prophet, god or religion demonstrates a false god and that their god is weak and needs to be "defended" or that other's words can insult god ( in reality it bruises their ego.) My God does not need me to defend Him, and being violent to the non-believers doesn't demonstrate God's power, but human frailty.
Its almost like, if you knew the correct answer to a math question, but someone else got the answer wrong and you got super mad about it. Why? If the answer is correct then you should be happy to see others try to come to a conclusion, and show them how to get the correct answer.
I'm in no way religious and I really like how you stated what you did ✌️
F’in based
Very well put
That's easy to say when you live in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion. When you have Islam, a minority religion in the western world, all it does is promote Islamaphobia and hatred (which can lead to violence) towards Muslims who's not in these conversations. Destiny is telling his large audience it's okay to antagonize Muslims despite knowing they will be deeply hurt by the comments. Destiny is being a dickhead of purpose and wants to play victim when he's getting backlash from the communities he's committing hate speech on.
I like how they are saying he's promoting islamophobia, while promoting violence on him
Destiny. I hope you read this comment.
My first introduction with you was your interview with the Rev. Jesse Lee. I've followed you for a long time since then. I am almost entirely opposed to almost every single ,political opinion you have. Period.
That said.
You are the single most reasonable *honest* person in the sphere right now. You need more of a platform.
The world would be screwed if most people thought physical pain was a justified reaction to emotional pain
The other guy is coping, if he thinks they're in the majority, the west does condemns physical violence especially if it's cause someone's feeling got hurt.
The parts of the world that operate under this standard are pretty screwed, yeah.
@@fifiadan Among young, foolish (and physically weaker) men in particular, as they’re quicker to violence than wiser and stronger men.
@@MrVenomsaurus the west doesn't give a shit about anything unless it makes them money.
@@fifiadan even if you hurl insults, that doesn't mean it's in their right to respond with violence, unless you seriously desire to be behind bars, and are in love with a prison environment
Violence works and is necessary in some situations. A person being unable to control their own feelings because of what was said or what they saw, isn't one of those situations.
These people are trying to justify using violence as a response to them getting offended. There's fragile, and then there's this. lol
It's ironic because these are the same people that will tell you their ideology and theology in general is masculine 😂🤣
@@paulsinih7404 TRUE
Did anyone respond to destiny with violence?
Everybody is strawmanning the argument that violence should not be committed.
It’s like saying every female hottub streamer is being gRaped just because of the sexual harassment they recieve in chats/dm’s, you can’t just jump to conclusions because it fits your narrative
@@undead2146 Destiny said mean words. Mean words upset people. Those people threaten do chop his head off and kill his family. I'd say there's INTENT to commit violence in those words. Though yes, of course nobody has committed a physical act on him yet. But intention is what matters here in this context. The argument is saying mean words should not be responded to with violence. Which these two seem to disagree with. I don't see a strawman being committed. Or....I'm retarded.
@@Mcnooberzzz if destiny dies or gets hurt because of those dm’s then he can go and get himeself a lottery ticket, since he’s lucky that out of 1000s of streamers he’s the one that’s dying to death threats
And do you think it’s fair to compare empty threats to actual murdering of people? It’s like saying i got gRaped but I only got sexual harassment dm’s
Samuel Paty was beheaded for a cartoon of their made up profit. That is savage.
amazing video
Meh I got bored at the 20 minute mark of the other guy just shouting and making the same exact argument over and over again.
It's not even just morality, it's effectiveness. Literally any of the effective movement leaders would agree that violence rarely works. These people don't care about their values, they just want to feel good and lash out.
Violence does work. It just only works temporarily, so the violent person / group, needs to continue being violent until they have won/have hegemony.
Wrong.
Violence is like corporal punishment. Of course it works, but there are more effective ways to deal with misbehavior.
@@DavidWalker1987 doesn't "peace" only work temporarily too? Not a lot of things in life are static
A quote I once read was "Violence isn't always the answer, but sometimes it an option"
This guy is the exact reason why the separation of church and stay exists. They will go out of their way to the end of the Earth to justify their beliefs.
Destiny wanting to get violent against somebody who's stealing 80,000 a year is not even close to being the same as somebody making fun of your skydaddy. If you can't understand that then you're no pun intended bad faith.
It's not close because you don't understand the love people have for god. Stop trying to compare things you don't truly understand, you will get nowhere.
@@waduhek5994 well sure i still think not being able to provide for your food,living for you and your family because of one asshole is more essential for individual life copared to mocking someones god,like you literally nothing you can loose by that besides getting angry and feeling certain unpleasant feelings but your life is not in danger ,you are not looosing essential things to survive
@Waduhek A threat to your corporeal experiential reality is on a completely different level to an insult to your paradigm, regardless of how much love you have for God or the Prophet or any ideological figure you hold in high esteem.
@@waduhek5994 I don't have to understand anything. That's why the separation of church and state exists.
I could give a f*** about what you believe.
@@waduhek5994 what did nothing burger of a sentence. I find it hilarious that religion's always claim to be peaceful and loving. The biggest gaslight in history
I like how he says all major religions get angry when you mock their religions when buddhism is here just not caring.
If you love dumbledore enough, you can attack anyone who mocks him and makes you feel bad. 1:34:00
Normal humans: "Insulting someone's religion isn't a justification for violence"
Moron:" Bro, he said dragons aren't real bro. RUN MY FADE!!!"
I actually really enjoy the Whick debates. He does occasionally interject personal opinion when moderating but it doesn’t completely derail debates so I’m fine with it. Most importantly, he doesn’t hesitate to cut off those who can’t hold a reasonable conversation
I think he was a little too biased for destiny, and this is coming from someone who agreed with destiny. But pretty decent moderation
based dungeon master
@@thestoebz that ski mask guy was about 5 seconds away from denying the Holocaust multiple times. If you are unbiased with that man you are a lunatic too. Case closed
I think its more about agreeing with destiny than bias for destiny. I suspect he would have said the exact same things if Destiny was the extremist Muslim.
@@pain002 nice. Had nothing to do with what I was saying
100% of all the time when I have debated muslims about the problems with Islam and muslims, they go full retard mode and just attack me personally instead of responding to my argument.
My question is: in a world where it is justifiable to physically attack someone for offending you, are they justified in defending themselves from said attack? Can I hit in return or do I just have to hold my hands behind my back and let you wail on me until you feel better?
Well…. If they think it’s ok to be violent because they’re fragile they should be prepared to become a net to catch lead
Lmao that dude is actually insane. He's the embodiment of affirmation for all islama-phobes.
He would've made the New Zealand Shooter act faster
@@somedogsarecops2354sure he was
@@somedogsarecops2354 what a fucking cope lmao. No way you're actually defending this man
@@somedogsarecops2354 no he wasnt
@@somedogsarecops2354 that makes it worse because then he is just re-affirming all the stereotypes of muslims.
That first dude is insane. As an ex Muslim I don't know anyone that thinks like this either in my family or where I was born.
Not a Muslim myself but I grew up mostly around Muslims in the West, in a largely Muslim community, and I can assure you that most of them believe/think/have similar sentiments to these guys.
You’re lucky to have never experienced it
Your average Muslim thinks like this
My ex fiance who was a muslim and who I was with for 3 years had the same thought as this guy and so did everyone in his family and friends.
@@SkeleTonHammer I'm not sure if lying is allowed even if it helped the faith but i know many who do lie and think it's ok as long as it helps the faith
@@stolen7836 It's tricky. He doesn't think like he says he thinks (emotional harm can be responded to with physical violence), and most of the world definitely doesn't think like that, but that's because that's not his true position. His position is that *he specifically* can hurt people who emotionally hurt him with physical violence, and is calling people to violent action to do the same. He's just pretending this is a general principle most of the world holds when he absolutely would not recognize, say, the emotional harm he does to me by calling people to this argument and action if I tried to use it to justify brutally beating the crap out of him and his kin.
How can you argue in good faith with someone in a mask screaming every time he speaks?
Teenage Mutant Jihadi Turtle
Yep. Absolutely unhinged and radical.
By the logic used by the gentleman in this video, couldn’t Destiny’s followers justifiably say “I love Destiny and I’m going to inflict violence upon the people who threaten him?” 😐
Race and religion should never be compared. I can’t change being black you can change or convert a religion.
Nothing irritates me more thang the whole ratio argument of "your opinion is unpopular, so obviously you're wrong."
That's false too...people are just scared of crazy suicide bombers and mass shooting over a pic/joke so they banned those.
It's not even the unpopular opinion lol
Know what else was an unpopular opinion? Abolishing slavery. So unpopular it was one of a major factors for an entire war. Imagine if back then we used the 'lol you're the minority so fuck off' logic all through history. XD Yet they use that like an own. A lot of ideas/philosophies were not considered 'popular' but grew over time by convincing opposition of their merits.
Argumentum ad Populum
I'm not even convinced that the opinion that "you shouldn't harm people over words" is the unpopular opinion. Lol certainly not in developed , civilized countries.
@@notoriousriot250 ow wow you such big smart. Good words.
70% of the world thinks it's okay to respond to insults with violence? Wtf is that shit? According to what study/poll? Dude just says that and banks his whole majority/minority argument on it and destiny doesn't even push back. Is that even true?
@@fifiadan we aren't talking about walking up to people and insulting them. We are talking about putting out tweets, that aren't even directed at individuals. Way different scenarios being throw around here.
Either way, responding to insults with violence is illegal and should be illegal.
I don't know the study but I assume he is right. 70% of the world population (and probably more) is not from 1st world countries. China, India and the rest of southeast asia make up around half of the world population, and outside of the main cities they aren't really that civilized as nations. And even there, violence is way more "normal" in China and India than, say, in France or Germany.
Besides, Muslims are quick to justify violence. After the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack, like 30% of muslims in the UK said that it was deserved and they had no sympathy at all. And those are just muslims that actually live in a western society, imagine the rest.
The world is a violent place my friend, you have no idea how lucky we are to be born in 1st world countries.
The argument @ 1:26:19 blew my mind. Majority = correct?!? I understand this argument may apply in cases of democratic outcomes and direction, but not in terms of factual or moral correctness.
If enough people start thinking as this idiot does, I fear the day flat Earthers became the majority. The Earth is flat cause most of us say it is. SMH.
Bc it's true. The cuck left and pussies may not think so but just ask any dude that weighs more than 140 lbs if they would swing on someone if that person insults their mother, daughters, wife's, or girlfriends? Most ppl first reaction to disrespect is some form of violence, right or wrong. I would punch you if you disrespected my wife in my face.
@@TR13400 we aren’t talking about people hitting and killing destiny, we are talking about twitter dm’s being sent to destiny, imagine insulting an entire group of people because you are triggered by a few twitter dm’s
Thats the peak of human fragility
And for someone that likes free speech he seems to cry to elon a lot about banning those in his dm’s.
Isn't it funny the outrage? The compulsion to defend Islam when you know these people wouldn't care about Christian criticism is interesting. All criticism of Religion is okay!
If you make it punishable by death to leave a religion it's not surprising they have a net gain for conversions.
Its incredible how little thought these people put into their own beliefs, they just want to reaffirm their preconceived conclusion.
Also, they were basically making the case at one point that Islam is gaining more converts BECAUSE they don't tolerate criticism. Which is such shit because if something doesn't hold up against criticism its not worth believing.
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I mean, to be fair, it is also because you are forced to practice it in places where it is the majority. The more they breed, the more Muslims there will be. The more Muslims there will be, the more they will exert their beliefs on non-Muslims.
Most people I talk to here in America stopped being religious because they didn't want to go to church and stopped as soon as they were able. I think we overvalue criticism a bit too much. We could go the next 100 years in America without criticizing religion at all and adherence will still drop just because it is one less thing people want to do.
@halofornoobs93 the thing is, you don't have to go to a church to be Christian. Church as defined in the Bible was a gathering of believers discussing faith and struggles. Church nowadays are just bad modern music and offering trays with 15 min of Bible.
Face to face discussion, but his opponent was too much of a coward to show his 😂
Yup, but i thought religion was the basis of masculinity?
uh maybe because these views don't hold up in a western society and he wants to actually have privacy and not be doxxed by offended people
Eh it’s fine
@@raystevenson7827 like they did to Steven ..?
@@raystevenson7827 They irony in your comment. Lmao get a grip.
After listening to this I quit Islam. I feel ashamed to be associated with these people.
One thing that I wish was clarified is that even in places where you aren't allowed to criticize religion, I don't believe that some rando can just punch you in the face for it. The idea that the state has the monopoly on violence (outside cases of physical self-defense) is a pretty universal one I believe.
So refreshing to see the islamic toxicity criticized publicly. Still Steven is extremely gentle with them.
This convo is a great example of how much more knowledgeable, intelligent and mature he is than a representative of the other side.
There is no room for islamic aggression in a socially developed society.
I dont think you even need to make it specifically Islamic violence either. Just physical aggression in general. These two guys want their special hat so badly but they aren't getting it. They aren't special
Ummm, Destiny was the one shitting on the Muslim religion lol. Steven was being a total douchebag which is just so surprising to me, because he literal show’s charity to every single other marginalized group
@@pain002 You do need to make it specifically Islamic violence if Muslims are getting the free pass.
No one wants to criticise them because they're afraid of either being attacked, or being called Islamophobic.
@@TheRedHaze3 whos getting a free pass? excuse me but muslims have been suffering from the effects of 9/11 for 20 YEARS and being called a terrorist and being physically and verbally harmed for just being muslim and you say that muslims get a free pass? you are delusional and brainwashed, since you are generalizing muslims to be responsible for acts of violence commited by individuals who identify as muslims, 'muslims are getting a free pass' implies that somehow they should be punished for these individuals. Get out of the echo chamber you placed yourself in and look at muslims as human beings instead of terrorists(which u implied in your comment)
@@MrStarnger1 Excuse me, I meant getting a free pass from progressives.
That's an issue because this shouldn't be partisan, and progressives not talking about and condemning unjustified violence by Muslims makes it seem like there isn't obviously one right answer.
I'm not generalising and my statement does not imply that all Muslims should be punished. You're obviously emotionally compromised and reading too much into my comment.
They lost at the first question, woops. Even Destiny didn't expect that lol
These guys got the wrong child story as kids “sticks and stones will break your bones because your words have hurt me”
"Intent to emotionally harm" is impossible to verify, but "intent to physically harm" is crystal clear. That's why we can't punish people for emotional harm.
Boy, did they make Destiny’s point 😂
Precisely. Proved that religious people are ignorant, fragile, impulsive, and psychotic. Their points should never be considered and opinions torn down simply based off who it comes from.
Shoutout to the moderator. Great demeanor for his role and keeps things moving
“If sneaker heads hold their Air Jordans in the same regard as you would your family, then would it not be justified for them to shoot someone for scuffing their shoes?”
How can you ask for a face to face debate and hide your face
Especially when talking about Islamic violence.
Especially when talking about Islamic violence.
The irony of calling Destiny chauvinistic with his beliefs because he's in the 'minority' and then using the 'majority' opinion to tell him he's wrong.
Textbook projection.
Projection is an online buzzword at this point. It is so over used that it is almost meaningless at this point. Like calling someone triggered. Displacement needs more time to diagnose. What you are talking about is an argumentum ad populum fallacy. It has nothing to do with projection. Using buzzwords like projection do tend to get you likes and validation by others that do likewise.
@@Onthebrink5 I like turtles 🐢
@@LIQUIDSNAKEz28 Turtles are pretty cool.
I looked up the definition of "chauvinistic" and realized it's an ad-hominem with no actual meaning whatsoever.
The funniest thing is that if we follow that Mental Gymnastics that he did, Christianity has more believers, therefore it is they, the majority, who are right and not Islam
If you wanna be savages in your savage country go for it. noone says you cant.
The problem then is that your country is so shit and savage you move away form it to have a better life. The ironically try to make this "better" place as shit as the place you left.
Then why is destiny crying after a couple twitter dm’s? For someone that’s all about free speech he cried the biggest these past few days and started a holy crusade against muslims because a couple of dm’s
Thats a fragile man if I ever seen one
@@undead2146again a concerning amount of Muslims condone and vocalize this rhetoric
@@ethio1931 yet he’s the one crying the biggest
@@undead2146 Typical Violent Muslim. Why am I not surprised hahahaha. Imagine being so fragile about your “god” you can’t take a joke on social media LMAO
Imagine believing in a god so weak that you, a mere mortal, need to defend it from being mocked...
To be fair, they generally say Allah needs no defense, that he is all powerful and above being mocked. The prophet Mohammed however, it is decreed in the Quran that any mockery of Mohammed must be met with punishment.
it baffled me that both proponents of Islam thought "emotional harm equates to physical "
that take is so absurdly naive😊
A lot of people I know are like this guy. If a person of faith believes in the idea of violence against those who insult their faith, they almost never actually NEED a real reason to enact violence or harass someone. Hateful, vile beings. Destiny is absolutely right to describe them as savages.
It’s funny how they’ll openly admit these beliefs and claim that they’re he’d by the majority, but then inevitably cry foul when western countries start restricting immigration from the Islamic world.
The disrespect is the reason.
They did a terrible job of saying it, but the hold religion above their own existence.
Its the reason the can have strict conseqences even for their own family. The prophet is above.
I wouldnt call it savage because their is a reason.
@@GuessWhatHappened1 I think that a religion that promotes the breaking of the law of a country should either change or not exist in that country.
@@GuessWhatHappened1 I could hold literally anything above my own existence and then justify violence.
It’s not a valid reason at all.
@@kahnfbio6593 Lets not be vague he said punching someone. Thats it. He never said beheading or killing. Punching
Fragile is the perfect word for someone who will physically harm you over words
sounds dumb. So some random guys could verbally abuse your wife, mother father and you would let that slide. if it's just words why do you guys make a claim for verbal abuse as being violence in relationships?
that's not fragile.
@@AFJismThere's a difference between being offended because someone insulted your family member and being offended because someone insulted a man, who's been dead for 1400 years and you're not even related to him.
@@michalvesely3484 You did the same thing Destiny did missed the guys point. He said to them The prophet is like family, not a stranger.. That's the difference and what destiny was missing
@@AFJismyou missed Destiny's point, he's not asking if it's understandable for someone to respond with violence to insults but if it's moral to do so, also if i said that Destiny is like family to me then would i be justified in killing everyone that insulted him?
It's crazy how every culture has a story of a man succumbing to pride or ego and this leads to them harming someone. Which leads to that person having horrible consequences for said actions.
its incredible taht in 2023 some ppl stil tinks is of to sue violence is someone makes a joek about religion lmao
I think this conversation made me unironically Islamophobic if these people are the majority opinion.
The opinion of individual Muslims isn't important, it's even more damning that it's the TEXTS and the religion itself that cultivates this "violence is okay" attitude.
Study the Quran and you will be perplexed by the teachings in it.
This guy is a textbook example of how Muslims in Europe and the Middle East think and behave, never allow a leftist to claim its just a minority of them that are like this because it simply isn't.
In Europe we have signed our death warrant by importing millions of them, before the end of this century they will be a majority and in the coming decades its going to be very apparent where Europe is heading.
You don't have to be far right or right wing to understand that western Europe is in ALOT of trouble.
It’s the majority opinion..that’s why they have blasphemy and apostasy laws in almost every Muslim country
As someone from Europe, I find this reaction wholly unsurprising. This kind of reaction is pretty much a daily occurrence.
Where are you from?
Well that's a huge exaggeration. This is certainly more prevalent here than in the US but it's by no means a 'daily occurrence'.
@@ddandymann I live in Germany and teachers talking about islam wrongly get beheaded by young students. Islam religion is a taboo topic here. Look at the statistic, the crime rate is coming mostly from people with muslim backround. The biggest mafia in Berlin are arabs. They can talk shit and make fun of hindus, christianity and jews ( they get beaten up daily over here ) , but you make jokes of islam? your life is over. Very peaceful religion by the way. SO NO HE IS NOT FCKING EXAGGERATING
1000%.
@@ddandymann As someone who grew up in a largely Muslim community in Europe, I can tell you, you are plainly wrong
Im not even Christian, and i can admit that Christianity is the dominant religion of the world, and you can prove that it is, by asking a two questions.
What year is it?
2023?
2023 sense what?
Since when the Catholics thought Jesus was born when they made the calendar. So what?
Many Islamic countries follow the Hijri calendar, so to them it is not 2023 AD, but 1445 AH (meaning 'Anno Hegirae' or 'Year of the Hijrah').
"We outnumber you"
Drone: lol
Remember everyone, you may not be able to have control of a situation but you have 100% control on how you respond.
"Most of the world disagrees that insults can't be met with violence."
You are making it real easy for me to say I'm superior to most of the world then.
Being disrespectful opens you up to the chance of violence happening to you 🤷♂️
@@Eeee-jh2gr Committing violence in my country opens you up to being sent back to your muslim country where you will live a terrible life compared to the west 🤷♂ Don't like living in a civilized society you can just leave
@@Eeee-jh2gr Leaving your house opens you up to the chance of violence happening to you. Most violent people are unhinged and disrespect can merely be misperceived and negligible in the grand scheme of things.
@SB-se7vb You forgot to add "oooga oooga" at the end there. Otherwise he wont understand you.
@@RustedBuddy5192 lol
Can we just get rid of religion so humans can actually evolve forwards.
Yeah like chairman mao or the soviet union?
Does Destiny need to be there for this conversation? Couldn't the other guy Screech and cry and make up Destiny's arguments without him there? He'd be responding the same.
There is no such thing as nonphysical violence. Harrasment, mental or emotional abuse, these all exist, but by definition, they are not the same as violence.
Say that to the guys imprisoned in Guantanamo bay having to listen to pop songs for weeks nonstop.
@@Urbanmember1 you mean the people forced into a cage?
@@samuelfleisher gottem
@@Urbanmember1 You’re not making the point you think you are..
@freddy1188 nah they still just words fam
This went from 'sticks & stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' to 'let's sanction jihad because words hurt' so fking quick
Kind of lowers the value of this guy's argument when he hides behind a mask while making all his points 😅
"So you mean even if you were really super duper butthurt you still wont respond with violence?" Bro what was his argument even
My mom taught me that the argument that "everyone does it" is not valid at all when I was a toddler. I guess some people never learned that.
"Would you jump down a well if everybody else is doing it?" was one of the things my mom said to me when I wanted something that "everybody had". Forgot what it was, so it wasn't THAT important. The lesson stayed with me, though.
I love how at the end their cope was "the majority agrees with my side" as they had used all their other points during the debate and had them thrown back in their faces.
They literally called them extremists for not believing in violence xD That's the craziest shit I've heard in a while.
Destiny had me rolling. "Your turban would fly off your head" "In American, peace be upon it" 😂
There actually IS a solid reason for mockery (even of religious icons) and it's weird that it flew over everyone's heads: satire.
Satirical comedy is one of the most powerful tools that humanity possesses, for social commentary (political, cultural, historical...and yes, even religious).
The capacity to point to unexpressed truths and making people see them through laughter...is not only important: it's quite vital.
So the second guy's premise that "mockery of the prophet is useless", is 100% wrong.
Unbelievably Based Destiny
If he wants to argue that it's ok to resort to physical threats over a verbal conflict because the majority of the world believes that, then why is he even having this debate at all instead of just threating Steven?
Lol, Destiny would never in a million years say it directly to their face.
@@ronniekregar3482 No shit
@@TheMightySilverback_ yeah, but that’s the point. He’s being very nieve about how many people would react physically if something offensive like race or religion is brought up. He’s being a weasel about it
@@ronniekregar3482 solid point muslims are dangerous.
@@ronniekregar3482 Have you seen Destiny do any in real life debates? He would 100% keep the same energy. You are just a snowflake who can't control themselves 😂
Please im trying so hard to fight this islamophobia growing inside me I really don't want it to be this way
please don't have this guy on again, his emotional yelling and infinite circling makes him too schizo for a productive convo