A WAY TO RESOLVE DISPUTES IS THROUGH VIOLENCE - Debating A Leftist
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- DEBATE: Destiny debates a leftist who takes issue with his manifesto...
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01:14:24 How Republicans argue for censoring LGBTQ+
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"DESTINY TOOK 4 YEARS TO WRITE THIS" - Debating Leftist On The Manifesto ►ruclips.net/video/EJEy4e4_p_k/видео.html
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I literally can't with some of these people, I NEED to take break in the middle of your vids sometimes to keep what pieces of my sanity I have left, otherwise I'd just go insane watching all of this at once.
why can’t this relativist relate?
Should have Maajid Nawaz on
Access to the Internet should be a fundamental human right.
Also, people that I don’t like should be banned from the Internet.
Why are you debating high schoolers?
“Violence is good when I do it and bad when it is done to me” How stunning and brave.
leftoids have been exposing their true beliefs lately😂
@@galath9242it's a tactic. I believe it's called repressive tolerance. When boiled down it pretty much means the same as what OP said.
@@galath9242theres no way a bunch of lgbt ppl can fight they r so weak these r men that play with barbies and they think they can commit violence against real men? This is hilarious no man whos been entered from the buttox can fight
@@grimreaper3780 I'm sort of surprised he didn't try the other tactic of just saying you can't question a thing he can't actually defend.
@@galath9242 rightoids still fail to understand that if you want to build a tolerant society, you cannot tolerate the intolerant🙄
The fact that these people have the audacity to call everyone else nazis and fascists is absolutely mind blowing.
I mean like the next main fascists will come under the banner of anti fascists
I am related to a first generation German family that were descendants of and actually nazis. And they love Trump.
Just so you know...there are six responses in this thread but I can only see one.
You are being shadow banned dudes!
@@JM-mh1pp more likely than not it's because destiny has some words banned so they get hidden. No malice intended
@@csbrooks You can ban words from your RUclips comment section. But to be fair I have seen comments on my own RUclips videos and there will be nothing there. So I can partially agree with you.
Someone like this is unironically a great foot soldier for someone like Hitler or Mussolini. Mindlessly idealistic and perfectly willing to devalue people he labels as "enemies".
If ever make the mistake of reading mao. Every time he says "the people" he explains kinda explicitly that it only applies to communists. Basically " if they don't agree. They aren't people" and this is a perfect example of it.
I wanted to put that on my comment but didn't. Dude would definitely have an SS pin on his Hugo Boss military uniform.
I bet he thinks he wouldn't be a nazi if he was alive in 1930s Germany. He would. Hes shown he is extremely easily pushed into ideological extremism.
I mean, he is a straight up fascist. He is an authoritarian collectivist (as in group rhetoric, my group is good and everyone who is in opposition is categorically bad because they are opposed to the in group)
socialists
This dude is the "How I wake up knowing my enemies are ontologically evil and there is no act against them which is wrong" meme personified.
"Some people are right, some people are wrong."
"How do you know who's right and who's wrong?"
"That's easy. I'm always right, they're always wrong."
I'm not sure if it would be easier to watch if this was just stated in the beginning lol
His argument summarized: We should be able to use violence against people who cause harm. I determine what constitutes harm because I am correct (even though my views on morality and politics have changed in the last three years, and will change again).
This guy is the is the epitome of Hobbe's War against All.
There are people who are right and wrong, I'm right from my perspective, therefor everyone else is wrong and so I am just in excising them through violence.
Im pretty sure You can both believe that your current ideas and views and the justified and correct views and still change them in the future?
Yes but unironically
Sounds pretty typical of online lefty extremists. It's always "I should set the punishment for the crime, and also I should be the one to define the crime."
This person reminds me of what it was like to play VR Chat when I first got my headset and tried it out, this was the entire community in a nutshell.
Not to mention they keep being against a system which would be used to decide who is right and who is wrong, ***even if that system is their own***, and in the next breath basically say what you said here, that they are objectively right and they get to choose who gets punished and how.
This kid sounds like the last person in the world to want any smoke. I love how Destiny puts him on the spot using his own rhetoric on how he’s a reasonable target using his own logic. “So would it be morally right for conservatives to deal a preemptive strike on someone who is clearly plotting to kill them?” Poor kid got a glimpse of reality in that moment and quickly ran back to the blanket of the law
he just came out and advertised why he needs to be violently dealt with ASAP lmao kids a literal demon.
@@butchtommasino even within the framework of his arguments being a consequentialist means he would have to accept
"Eradicating all Transgender people because they are a minority in the population who also cannot reproduce is beneficial to the continuation of the human species"
would apparently to Keffels be a perfectly sound position...
His argument at 30:05 agreeing that slaughtering a two year old is okay if it alleviate's the suffering of the many...
@@butchtommasinoNah. He's not a demon. He's just a dumb kid who thinks he understands the world. Hopefully he'll grow out of it. Most of us did.
@@Bertinator-nm9ld i think every internet dork goes through the edgy phase at some point but this isn't that lol this is more in line with 4chan tier degeneracy of actually standing behind it and trying to promote it.
@@butchtommasino
You don't think there's a substantial number of edgy 4chan users who actually believe and defend their nonsense?
A lot of them still outgrow it eventually, even if they believe it.
I cannot fathom how someone this incapable of understanding the way their opposition feels can claim Republicans lack empathy
I think it take a lot of empathy to understand how cruel and depraved your average Republican is.
@@Chopstewie don't expect empathy
@@joeybaby2505 no kidding, I don't expect much from the opposition
@@Chopstewie both sides would lose people I'm not doubting that but in a major civil war the left would be annihilated
@@Chopstewie you are legitimately brain damaged. The average republican is extremely generous in their opinions of democrats. Its the democrats that are poorly informed.
I've never seen somebody advocate for themselves to be killed as hard as this guy did.
I'm tired of people not understanding the paradox of tolerance....in that proposition, "intolerance" isn't someone with intolerant ideas, it it someone who refuses to argue their points with words and debate but instead turns to violence in order to enact their position by force
The last 10 years has shown me that modern society/people have NO IDEA where the line is for general good will in society and civic trust. It's blatantly obvious we've lost touch with it on a macro level. That's why violence is inevitable now.
@@peach_of_justus "Me and you. Split screen. Versus match. Tomorrow."
Do you think if we could prove to him with math that his death would create more happiness in the world than sadness, he'd kill himself?
In a video game?
Plenty of your favorite streamers have during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. They deemed it heroic to attack a person running away with a gun and being justified in shooting that person or bashing their brains in with a skateboard and as we saw they would all justifiably be shot all because they aren’t educated.
“I would appeal to it when it is convenient” and the mask drops and we get to the heart of this person’s morals
what morals
@@nunyabizz3357 exactly.
I don’t have any numbers, but I believe that at least 2/3 of people think this way.
@@3rdHalf1 not anyone honest
‘He definitely wouldn’t be a dictator’ lol 48:40
holy shit, and these people call conservatives dangerous.
They make Conservatives sound like pacifists in comparison.
deathsmbrace
New Mexico proved conservatives are pacifists.
@@deathsmbrace yes because we all know its all these liberal regimes causing harm and mass murder every single time /s
Damn this guy did a great job making me dislike far leftists even more.
even within the framework of his arguments being a consequentialist means he would have to accept
"Eradicating all Transgender people because they are a minority in the population who also cannot reproduce is beneficial to the continuation of the human species"
would apparently to Keffels be a perfectly sound position...
His argument at 30:05 agreeing that slaughtering a two year old is okay if it alleviate's the suffering of the many...
Easy rule: Every person that "calls for violence" should be the absolute FIRST people to begin whatever battle they want. They should be the vanguard and (obviously) martyr themselves for the cause they believe in.
Agreed. This is why Lindsey Graham and the Ghost of John McCain should lead the charge from the front line against Russia, N. Korea, Iran, and China. These warhawks don't mind regular (poor) people getting killed in their wars but their tailored suits are perfectly crisp and their designer shoes are polished and shiny at all times. Everyone in Washington wants war but won't personally pay the consequences.
In the same vein, individuals on the right and the left that are calling for civil war will never be the ones who get their hands dirty. They will cowardly incite violence and then watch it on tv or their smartphones. I don't want civil war. I want all Americans to realize we are on the same team, we live together, work together, and play together. The insane rhetoric needs to end.
But why would they do that when they can just stir the pot and fight the hard battles with a keyboard 🤣🤣🤣
Impossible. That would bring about world peace, which is ontologically impossible.
@@ronswanson1410 spoken like a true meme war vet.
*R E S P E C T* 💪
its funny how you don't see many people who have actually experienced war and violence, espouse for war and violence. Its always the least exposed to violence that are calling for it.
I dont understand how he doesn't see that he is literally just saying "my side is factually right and if we have to be fascist or authoritative to enact my facts then so be it".
That's why they think the mainstream Right is that way, no-one projects like Lefties
That is how actual fascists are born.
Because genetic diff. Low IQ.
Fascists hate folks like this dweeb lol
Isn’t he really young? Hopefully he changes. He has to have more convos with people outside of his bubble. Cause he says he believes in subjective morality yet he really doesn’t. He will, once he’s had a million abortion and second amendment conversations.
Good grief, how can someone take this long just to say _"I want a dictatorship."?_
“As long as I’m in charge”
This man is in such an echo chamber that he truly believes the “vast majority” of people agree with what he is saying
Even the very liberal streamer thinks this kid is a radical. How does he think the half of the country who are conservative think?
@bigpapi6688 it's like Destiny said, if they consider him transphobic then 98% of the population is. Which is correct. These types of people should never have power they are worse than utilitarians...
@@bigpapi6688 Well I wouldn't say half the country is conservative in a uniform sense. The Republican party is a coalition of varies strips of Economic/Small Government Libertarians and various flavors of Conservative. I don't like the implication that half the country is one form of conservative.
@@airlesscanvas6425 trump won an election,half the country is LITERALY fascist
I like how Destiny tries to talk all of the "progressives" he debates down from the ledge of authoritarianism/fascism, but its pretty concerning how many there are.
Most progressives are fine..for now. Destiny may not seem it online but he represents your average progressive for the most part.
@@ericstein8019 no, he most definitely is not. I have met a lot of self proclaimed progressives, they are a lot more like Vaush and this kid. Destiny is an intellectually honest liberal.
@@ericstein8019 haha, Destiny thought this, and as he found out, so will you, that you are wrong, Destiny is actually center left, the progressives are all like this now.
@@theurbanegentleman4550 Met where, discord? Twitter?
Progessivism and facism walk hand in hand. You cant want to progress society without a facist impulses. Eugenics comes from progressives
Why is it always the last people who would ever fight, that are always the first to suggest violence is the only or best option?
Escapism is my only guess. I know two people that seem genuinely calm, collected, and a little anti-social and you ask them their political leanings and they sound like an anarchist hoping their apocalyptic doomsday scenario will come about so they can be leader of the commune.
The people who start wars are always the last to die in them
For real. Just by his voice you can tell that this little shrimp would shatter like glass.
you can hear the testosterone in his voice
Removal from the real world.
It is beyond me that people cannot see that the roles can reverse in the future and they can become the targets of their own devices.
Like we are seeing now with the conservative swing companies are doing
The useless class that begs for the nanny state, will be the first ingredient in Soylent Green
"The standards you accept can, and will, be applied to you in time."
Half of this discussion (or even more) is unironically this dude arguing "I can do X to them but they can't do X to us because we're right and they're wrong" as well as denying he's imposing his own moral system upon the whole world while saying that. I particularly LOL-ed when he was trying to argue that people are wrong within their own set of beliefs. If this is in any way representative of the left then the left is FUCKED.
Just his discussion of anti-vax shows he doesn't care about things like harm. You can only imagine how many forced vaccinations you need to do before someone has a severe adverse reaction or it escalates into a violent police encounter.
"I'm right, and they're wrong."
This quote is the entirety of his juvenile argument.
Excuse me sir it’s akshually “I’m right because I’m right and they’re wrong because they’re not right” 🤓
And he's calling others undemocratic... XD
Give me a justification for why you would oppose nazi germany.
And he can’t even describe why he’s right and they are wrong.
@@Blizz3112 He doesn't even understand what democracy means considering he's 100% authoritarian mindsent.
Ahh to be 16 years old again and think you've figured out how the world works in the privacy of your own mind.
I was thinking the same thing! Just remembered he's a kid, and then I thought, oh shit, this is kids nowadays?
@@Ragman312we were all there, it's just that we didn't have a platform to shout all our crazy beliefs
Extraordinarily well put lmao
@@wilsonsanabia4259even worse than having a platform, adults are paying attention these kids and giving them credibility they shouldn't have
I’d switch between BLM and MAGA monthly🤣 and both times I thought I was in the right
I like the way Destiny hand holds people and helps guide them to the thing they are trying to argue, just so he can eviscerate them immediately afterward. What a nice guy.
Libertarian here. Guys like this are why I work out and go to the range and stockpile resources. Keep it up buddy 👍 you're pushing teenagers to the right and we're all for it
isnt that also a bizarre thing to believe?
@@maydaymemer4660 That suggesting to excise anyone who disagrees with your world view from a left-wing perspective may push people to the right? I don't think it is a logical leap. I don't think it will make them right-wing, but it will, hopefully, cause them to bail on this sort of mad thinking. To this kid, bailing on this sort of purging thought process probably makes you too far right.
Considering what he said about conservatives, he threatened me by his definition and so I can defend myself. So if I ever saw him out and about I would dribble his head on the concrete like a basketball (out of self defense, of course)
@@maydaymemer4660I would say that the movement towards the right is a historically common and, in the modern age, increasingly common trend among young men. In my estimation, younger men who don’t care about the left wing or leftism aren’t necessarily tolerant or in agreement, but they are indifferent and won’t go to great lengths to debate transgenderism or socialism or any other number of social issues. However, it’s pretty reasonable to make the link between calls and acts of public violence from the left and right wing political sympathies being on the uptick.
@@maydaymemer4660 i mean, if someone telling you who they are shouldn't you listen?
"But Sir, I may be a Republican, but I'm open to other opinions!"
"Nope, you're still a Republican. Off to the gulags with you!"
Christ alive, this kid's a future Tankie/Bolshevik Larper in the making.
they would you forget the part where they send the centrist and the center left guy to the gulag because they question the morality of killing people who disagree with him
Republicans aren't open to other opinions,; when they don't get their way they attempt to overthrow the government in a literal attack on the capital.
Future?
He says republicans are anti democratic and says people shouldn’t be allowed to choose what they put in their body and that conservatives shouldn’t have a say because they’re “objectively wrong”. I really hope this kid is a troll💀
Standard "progressive" activist in todays climate.
There are times in which I'm in awe at Destiny's patience; this video is an example of one of those times.
He probably keeps multiple signs taped around his work space with some form of "FOOLISHNESS = CONTENT = $$$". I know I would need something like that to keep me focused and motivated. Or maybe he broke through that phase and playing games while people squawk nonsense is enough.
Destiny WOULD have destroyed this lunatic if he didn't cede the idea that deporting illegal immigrants is worth violence.
"Don't interrupt your interlocutor making a bad argument."
, Destiny Bonaparte
Every argument ends in "but I'm right, they're wrong". He can never explain why, he just loops back to stating it.
then says I could appeal to things, and proceeds to not come up with a single example.
1:30:05 "I would appeal to some overriding meta morals" my goodness. I laughed out loud
This conversation is insane. Without saying it directly he is basically claiming to be the sole moral arbiter in the universe and i cant wrap my head around that level of absolute stupidity.
This kid would be the first and only person to die in his own ridiculous uprising.
He would be amongst the 6% that would die immediately if anything ever happened
Like the religious people. That he is fighting ahah
And he's sure he's right and he literally at one point argues "a little slavery might be ok". Self awareness 0%.
Everyone is the "sole moral arbiter" for themselves. There is no such thing as right or wrong beyond our personal preferences.
Phew. I'm so glad the dog shit takes I had when I was this person's age aren't immortalised on the internet for the whole world to laugh at.
Been there 😂
the kid held himself better than most adults that destiny comes across and tracked most of the conversation. He was equipped to at least understand each topic. His take is absolute dogshit but he's young, hopefully a little self reflection and life experience will calm him down.
@@wellread8649 True
@@wellread8649 life experience will help.
@@wellread8649 You bring up a very good point. Does anyone know actually how old he is? I don't want to judge based on his voice, he could honestly be mid-20's it's entirely possible. But if he's actually just a kid, he's well far and above more equipped for these conversations than 90% of adults. I'm not saying he's smarter than most adults, but to be able to make these arguments and navigate this space in a debate format is not something that comes with being well-read, it's a skill he's definitely honed. Props to him. Me at age 29 would not be able to argue against him.
kids like this who read books but cant grasp the simple notion that saying "im right and youre wrong" as means to justify violence is what makes me worried about the future.
People like this guy are the ones that genuinely scare me. They just cannot see how what they're advocating for, or what their ideal version of the world is, is insane. They are seriously delusional and need to be talked back from whatever pit they're looking excitedly at the bottom of.
It's really clear from this convo that this kid, who obviously talks and thinks about left wing issues a decent amount, has never even considered the other side's point of view. Funnily enough he is doing exactly what Destiny was warning about... Thinking of the other side as inherently evil and therefore their safety and lives are forfeit. It's mind boggling to me that he can really espouse this and not understand why it's so dumb.
that isn't the most pressing thing he should consider, he should know that the opposing side, the moderate and far right, utterly eclipse him and his sides capacity for violence, to a degree that can't be understated enough.
This type of thinking goes all the way back to the French Revolution. If you believe your political program is bringing heaven to earth, then anyone who opposes you is truly evil and deserves a traitors punishment.
he has no actual principles. going off script/thinking about other people's ideas makes him uncomfortable, just like Fox news Republicans. of all the examples of that, 1:12:00 stands out in my mind. he HAS to hold the idea at arm's length by regarding it as purely selfish or something.
This is exactly what's wrong with both sides with people on the far ends . The far left and far right are both the issue. How are we supposed to come together as a world if we can't even begin to try to understand the other person's viewpoint without just saying their wrong.
This kid is the embodiment of the concept "you can be the most educated person in the room, and still be a complete smooth-brain".
well nowadays, that's the intended product
I felt my brain rot a little (a lot actually) everytime this kid kept walking into logical paradoxes of his own creation. I love how this child acted like the all high and migthy ultra gigachad intellectual in Sunday's video.
“There is no such thing as absolute truth, but the people who disagree with me politically are definitely factually wrong”
When your justification for exercising violence is unironically," the difference between me and them is I know I am right", it ends up being pure dogmatism.
When conservatives say that progressive is a religion, people like this make it so I can't actually disagree with them. Absolutely Black Pilling.
YUP
@@thebluepsycho4947 The irony here is that there is a valid way to critique destiny here. If we accept that democracy is the meta that must always be upheld then that must mean that anyone who is not in support of democracy is necessarily going to be a justified target for aggression or censorship. If they are not the, then paradox of intolerance still comes into play. He could bite the bullet on that but then he'll need to accept that given his own principle of tit for tat, if the side that pushes against democracy comes into power and they choose to use it to dismantle democracy for there own end then the pro democracy ends up being perpetually shafted everytime they lose power to opponents.
Basically if democracy is the meta rule then people who are anti democracy must necessarily be prevented from having power, making censorship there acceptable. So censoring right wing individuals would be immoral but censoring anti democratic individuals is acceptable. Im not sure if he would be for that.
@@brad5696 the problem is undemocratic lately just means the vote didn’t go your way.
@@Staysa001 Exactly, look at Jan 6th for an example.
@@brad5696 The essence of Democracy is to give everyone a voice. Even those who wish to destroy Democracy. To take away political power from one group is to invite taking away political power from any group.
It's the same concept as free speech. You can't start banning anti-free speech rhetoric in a free speech society. By definition there would no longer be free speech if you did that. Which is exactly what the anti-free speech people want. It might be being used against them today, but today is not forever, and when they have the control, you've already opened the door for them when you opened it for yourself.
This guy is exactly the type to say words are violence .
not really, this guy seems pretty good in the conversation and hes not necessarily being that unreasonable
@@great_ape9791 his whole argument is “because I’m right”
This guy is the type to even say voting is violence.
@@great_ape9791
Destiny: if i told you baby grapes would help society would it be moral
Psycho: yes(with extra weasel words)
Destiny: if i told you enslaving a small population would help society would it be moral
Psycho: yes
He’s also for whatever is politically advantageous for him regardless of the outcome to those around him. Examples: for packing courts, for removing electoral college, deplatforming political opposition from society basically.
There’s nothing of worth this psycho said. He is unbelievably unreasonable. I’m giving you the benefit if the doubt that you haven’t seen all this video otherwise I would be insulting your intelligence massively. Please tell me you hadn’t seen all his arguments when you said that.
@@great_ape9791 the dude has brain problems dawg, not really a good idea to agree with such an extremist
feels like the entirety of this person's argument is "it's okay when we do it because we're right and they're wrong"
@Xackbin
Funny how we’ve come full circle there…
He seems like a smart kid who is still in the process of defining and organizing his own views. Destiny was right showing that much patience with him.
"Democracy is my top priority but the second I get an ounce of power I'm executing and jailing all my political opponents" - this guy in a nutshell. Dude is a tyricanical authoratarian type who can't even comprehend the definition of democracy and only pretends to believe in it because other people use the word. "Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is such a dangerous mindset to have.
@@Figgy20000 It is, but he speaks well and understoood most of destiny points and objections. Like I said, it seems like a well mannered intended kid who is still on his political and ideological journey.
Yeah I think he's a classic case of just being political on the internet at a young age. He got sucked into his poltical echo chamber and comes out thinking he has the world figured out. Im glad he is getting his ideas properly challenged because it probably hasn't happened much for him.
He seems like a litte spoiled brat.
So happy Destiny called this guy a fascist... I'm so tired of listening to these psychopaths who're deeply rooted in very few cultural issues, and they argue for legitism to be violent towards the majority of society...
They are addicted to being permanently online.
He's not actually a fascist though. Fascism believes in very specific things regarding war, expansionism, the state, and corporatism. That's why Destiny backed off that label later in the debate. This guy is just a leftwing authoritarian. He's the type who would order the execution of a factory owner, but not have the balls to do it himself.
The utter dissolution of the word violence, into meaning you not agreeing with me, or even you mistakenly misgendered me, intentionality completely ignored (not that it shoudl matter, intentional or not, it's not violence), being considered violence, and thus "self defense" suddenly becoming a proper response in their minds. These are violent authoritarians desperately looking for justifications for their violent desires. This is why I've become entirely opposed to all medical care that enables and encourages ones gender dysphoria. The dysphoria is a mental illness, you do not treat a mental illness, by positively affirming and embracing it, I believe this approach is leading to high numbers of untreated mental illness in the trans community, and some of that seems to be mental disorders/illness that results in violent behavior, based on the absurdly high number of trans mass shooters in the last couple years.
and you know whats funny? all these little extreme leftists, sound like they are really really weak physically. Like they want to enforce violence on millions of people, but they cannot enforce it by themselves against any single person
I'm glad that he reserves the term fascist for when it actually deserves to be used, though. It has more impact and validity when you're not calling everyone a fascist, like some people do.
This kid is the reason voting age shouldn't be lowered, it should actually be raised.
Should be 21 at this point. Everything else is being raised to 21 so voting should be as well.
@@Blumkinsalad1 21 with stipulations. A 21 year old still completely dependant and less than a year of work history should get no vote.
True, you should be 21 at least. When you're at the point of getting out of college and getting a job. Living in the real world.
@@anon6181 I could see that becoming discriminatory in weird ways.
Based. I say 26.
It always boils down to morale superiority, everytime. The moment you disregard someone else's morale argument, your saying their the bad guy, and once you've painted them as bad, you can justify anything. This is just the 20th century on repeat. It's all because the crumbling of our shared morale framework. Society is tearing itself apart.
1:35:23 deplatforming is pretty close to one of those earlier steps in that "stages of genocide" thing people talk about a lot
"Some people are right, some people are wrong."
"It's not moral realism."
‘And he’s not a dictator’ lol 48:40
Disagree with a lot of what they said, but that is definitely true though, a fucking flat earther is just wrong.
@@joaovitorreisdasilva9573 They were talking about moral statements though. Not the same as factual/scientific statements.
@@alexcomas9858 well, killing - unless it's self-defense - another person is wrong.
Stealing is wrong.
To the topic of the discussion it's more tricky, but if someone is going to be super pedantic you can kinda say he is sorta right in a way.
@@alexcomas9858 oh nvm, reach the 26min mark and Destiny went over this. Nice :D
This kid is the type to say "word is violence and silence is violence." All in the same sentence.
This whole debate: “yea, but I’m right. So it’s ok.”
Destiny has the patients of a saint.
It’s good to see Destiny doing social work. Keep it up man.
This kid reminds me of one of my favorite quotes of all time.
"Wow, you're right. You can win any argument you want if you just change what words mean."
That's the current administration
Yes, because violence against a perceived slight is justified. That's insane. This person went down some rabbit holes way too early in their life.
Echo chamber brainwashing at work here. There are way too many teens that get sucked in these twisted woke mind loops. It's extremism.
@@antithetical3817 Yeah it might be based. But its based in unironic self-fulfilling political insanity. To decry an entire group of people and amp others up for civil war in the name of political ideology is the exact opposite of what anyone Should want in modern society. This is the type of nonsensical sht that caused the civil war in the United States. Dumb poor farmers with no education being lied to by people who are so sure in their political beliefs that they'd kill other people for them.
Even better, this is the type of sht that caused us to intervene in the Middle East so frequently throughout history. It resulted in the ruination of a nation and the rise of extremist terror the likes of which we hadn't seen prior(talking overall interference not just the War on Terror).
If we want to co-exist in this world then everyone needs to understand that each person has their own interpretation and understanding of events/culture. So the idea that some people are "wrong" so you can castigate or destroy them, instead of attempting to bridge the gap and offer a more nuanced position to them is ridiculous and inhumane. Not to mention extremely authoritarian/fascistic.
It's bad when people who don't even have a fully formed brain or experience outside of school are activated in such a manner that they'd tell other people to be indignant or violent towards others for having a political affiliation. The only caveat being if the political party they affiliate with is literally killing, calling for killing or otherwise eroding the sanctity of the nation and the people within it. Even then it would be based on the core tenants that created the nation to begin with.
What this person refuses to acknowledge is that outside of the political/online sphere most people are just normal people who don't want others to be oppressed, killed or have any wrong done to them. They simply want a nice life for themselves and the ones they love that falls within their frame of moral understanding(i.e Christians probably want to be able to believe in God openly within their community or Transgender people might want to be seen as a normal person regardless of their gender situation). So the idea that Destiny states where the grounds on which we label people needs to be a lot more strict, such that the bad people are known as bad people so that normal folks don't get punished for actions they either don't condone or even know about, logically follows.
or more that they are just too early in life, and are a leftist, a double whammy of brain rot, I simply don't trust any violence "callers" who haven't been hit with a blunt instrument in the skull ever, and this person has never even been slapped.
As a 2a fundamentalist, your removal of my gun rights puts me at risk of government violence with no means of defence. Therefore, I should pre emptively enact violence upon any voter that seeks to limit these rights, for my own safety
Derp
Never ask a so-called leftist what their political beliefs in 2016 were. I swear. The alt right to leftist pipeline is not a joke.
I love these conversations because they always devolve in to "here's what I would do..." and the unspoken other half of that statement is "...if I were the all powerful dictator"
Kid is the perfect example of I took a philosophy class and read from philosophers to justify all the things I currently believe. Instead of using the information to analyze your current beliefs.
"The whole world must learn of our peaceful ways. By Force." - Bender
I believe in peace and I don't care how many men women or children I have to murder to get it!
Love this
Kid: I believe in democracy!
2 seconds later….
Kid: I think we should be able to commit violence against our political opponents. Also only my allies will be able to make the rules on what violence is allowed….
Nice straw man there kiddo
"Also I believe we should ban political parties...for being against democracy." Limiting who you can vote for his undemocratic. That's how China does it. They let you vote but only for their choices.
@@TacTicMint yes we should ban those who would turn a democracy into a theocracy or fascist government. Correct..
@@mariomario1462 I mean that’s pretty much exactly what he said lmao
@@mariomario1462 If the population would vote for a theocracy or a fascist government then by banning them you are an enemy of democracy and an authoritarian. This is hypothetical of course because this boogeyman of these theocrat or fascist voters don't exist.
Don't let this guy get ahold of power. Think of what he would justify.
That "debate" was the definition of: "it's hard to win an argument against a smart person, but it's impossible to win against an idiot" I have never seen so much cognitive dissonance, mental gymnastics and circular logic in my entire life. It all boiled down to "I'm right, they are wrong because I know I'm right"
This is the highest degree of patience I have seen displayed by Destiny
This kid keeps trying to win an unwinnable and self-contradictory argument through the use of a whole bunch of words that he believes makes him sound smart, when he often times doesn't even understand what these words actually mean. A little bit of humility and a whole bunch less time spent in his leftist echo-chambers would do a lot of good for him.
He's so full of himself and his leftist talking points, he doesn't even realize he's contradicting himself in an incredibly ironic way in the very same sentence. Like when he said how undemocratic republicans are and how it would be a good thing if they'd be deplatformed everywhere to the point where half the country is removed from the public square and is pretty much forcefully muted.
The true irony will be when he brings about this grand era and is swiftly labeled a 'threat'.
Word-salad flavour of fascism
I also liked how he disliked askyourself bc he had not gone and studied philosophy but he is 16 and have not studied philosophy. Like bruh, why do you think you know anybetter
@@imonshrooms6866 Lol yeah, I laughed about that as well.
I thought he was actually relatively respectful, but yeah his arguments contradict themselves. Have a good day
Great video!
Jesus Christ... how do you remain so calm against someone that remains so confidently incorrect? I would have given up and switched to trolling after about 20 minutes.
Destiny was spittin with the Gundam Wing moment. This child cant possibly start his political journey with such a lack of culture.
Yeah, that and the prequel trilogy of Star Wars should be considered required watching for these scrubs because their ideas are so easily disproven by even those relatively basic pieces of media
"I don't even know what a Gundam Wing is."
SAD.
I'm a 0083: Stardust Memories guy myself.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor hey man thats some hot shit too right there boooi! I myself am a 08th ms team and War in the pocket enjoyer.
@@sharsasuke01 this child is trying to draw lines between philosphical,moral,and policital ideals. But is to young to even know wat a gundam is lol.
guy: "I know I am right and everyone else is wrong."
destiny: "Prove it."
guy: "I don't need to."
o_o
"Well you cant 100% prove ISIS a result of Obama and Hillary's presidency"
"Ok well you cant prove a streamer being harassed has anything to do with me"
"Well we can infer that tho..."
You cant make this shit up
> Destiny made a point, choose one:
"I don't think that that's true"
"There are plenty of reasons"
"What do you MEAN by X"
The mental gymnastics the caller uses to justify violence & violations of personal autonomy in this discussion are quite staggering
It's no wonder he loses his train of thought, he's performing a Olympic level mental gymnastic routine to say the stuff he is.
The scary thought is there are a whole bunch of people with the same thought processes 😮
these people are beyond deranged
also kids in today's world so it's understandable
Good thing we are an armed populace
Really got to hand it to Destiny for his composure and patience, he really is trying to help this kid understand, not demonize him as I know 99% of us would.
i can't see him, but i imagine this is almost certainly the exact last dude that wants to be making any sort of appeals to violence.
his voice is enough, high and shrill.
@@keithfilibeck2390 Probably pear-shaped, like a snowman with sticks for arms.
When you're the Master in the Master-Blaster situation don't start shit.
Apart from the nationalist stuff, this person is pretty much calling for fascism.
The ultra woke are fascistic indeed. The inability for them to see their own flaws in their thinking is absolutely scary.
That kid has too much of a room temperature IQ to realize it.
(inter)national socialism?
Kieth Woods: "russian" oligarchs.
Igor Kolomoisky.
Great russian famine, Holodomor, Famine in Khazakhstan, Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda, Aron Solts, Filipp Goloshchyokin, Yakov Yurovsky, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Naftaly Frenkel, Salomon Morel, Helena Brus.
@@patternrecon5271 what
His argument boiled down to “I’m right, they’re wrong”
The very end of the video you were just spitting fire dude probably one of the best 10 mins of argument I have seen from you, while playing Minecraft too lmao
This guy seems to think science is like magic, where you can just press a button and run studies to determine the objective effect of any action on reality, and the future.
You mean almost exactly like destiny like 4 years ago with his consequentialism? Vaush copied it from destiny and now this "the ends justify the means as long as the outcomes are good" has spread. It's literally the mindset that caused massive amounts of genocides.
He said the opposite, he just doesn’t seem to understand the implications of what he’s saying. If these principles are something all of society should follow, then everyone is realistically justified to use violence.
@@leadfaun When did he say that all of society should follow the principals? Just his political allies should.
@@idimo7976 I don’t think he did.
"My side good. Other side bad. Why can't you understand that?"
It's like that old saying that Everybody is a gangster till they get punched in the face.
Nothing is resolved with violence. You're still faced with the same set of issues that you had from the outset,yet now you have a broken nose(if you're lucky. Could be a lot worse) and you still have the same set of issues that you had from the outset?
Acknowledgement of the free speech & understanding of what that means is a good start. Understanding it's power in delivery as well as it's power within your own ideals,with regards to self awareness and understanding your own reactions to the power of free speech is a good start to conversation,debate,argument,call it what you want? But just grasping this simple concept of the double edged sword of free speech can be beneficial for creating inner integrity of that which you might stand for,as you are looking at things from both the perspective of yourself and of others.
Such a basic concept,yet one that a lot of people fail to acknowledge either through lack of awareness,ignorance or just plain old stubbornness?
here it is
1:29:48
Destiny: "If someone thinks you are gearing up for a civil war and you've had all these conversations with me laying out all the necessary reasons why we can enact violence against conservatives, i don't think it would be outlandish for them to think "okay, well fuck, i need to strike first"."
Leftie: "I mean, they might think that, right, and I -"
Destiny: "Of course they might think that, that's-"
Leftie: "Yea, so i would appeal to some overly - overriding um like, moral thing that we should have"
Destiny: "You can't appeal to overriding morals - meta morals now when you were telling me earlier that the way to resolve disputes is through violent confrontation"
Destiny: "You can't appeal to the moral to the meta narrative when it suits you and then toss it aside as soon as you're ready to fight"
Leftie: "No No No No No I would appeal to that, right, if it's like convenient, right, i would try to have a, i would try to like promote a meta, like, moral thing that is conducive to like my political ends, right, but I wouldn't rule the possibility of going outside of that if it was necessary to enact, like, the political structure"
So in this 60 ish seconds this person agreed that they think that their world view, which is conductive to their political ends / agenda is the correct one and they would appeal to it when it suits them, and if people disagree, welp, violent confrontation it is, per their own words after Destiny made the "Christian and Muslim get into an ethical disagreement and therefore have to appeal to the state to resolve that disagreement" metaphor.
This has been an hour and a half of Destiny and this leftie going in circles about how this person thinks their world view is right and anyone who disagrees causes harm, ergo they should be excised from society, ergo, as much of a meme as it's grown to be, no action against them is wrong.
And then not to mention after going in circles so much and basically not backing a single position or opinion they hold, they flee the discussion and try to misrepresent his position about de-platforming (again) on the way out, which is what i think caused Destiny to become annoyed and that's why he basically he TL;DW'd this whole video in the last like 4 minutes.
Like 1 person said in the chat I think somewhere in the middle of the video, i genuinely hope this person is like 16 or younger for my own sanity, because we are doomed if this is how a growing number of people in their 20's actually think.
"It wouldn't be outlandish for them to think they should strike first."
Yes it would be. Not enough people watch Destiny / this kid for this to be an issue.
@@idimo7976 So do you mind giving me your opinion on why you disagree? I personally don't 100% agree with that statement either, but i can see the reasoning here.
What i do believe though, is that you should be able to defend yourself, even with lethal force, if your life is actually in danger, not from words on the internet or if someone disagrees with your political opinion. Because, this person thinks their world view is right and anyone who disagrees causes harm, ergo they should be excised from society, ergo, as much of a meme as it's grown to be, no action against them is wrong.
@@stevanmilovanovic9128 I disagree with Destiny proposing possible practical issues (what if the opposition think they're right, etc) as retorts to the idea of having political violence/repression as a tool in your political toolbelt. The disagreement is over Destiny's position that this sort of violence is always bad, not that it would be impractical. The kid already said that he doesn't advocate for it if he thinks it would fail.
"Overriding meta morals" seems like BS. Few "believe" in the current government or law, we just accept it because the system we live under can accommodate our basic material needs. If a subversive element exists then you can excise it and return to business as usual. Monarchists are a rare sight, I wonder why that is. Maybe that disagreement was resolved in a violent manner and it didn't mean a permanent breakdown of society. Maybe other people can be treated in this way.
I disagree with the guy's politics, I just haven't seen a good retort to "might makes right" by Destiny or any commentors. My position is that if violence is to my benefit I'll do it, and if it isn't I will pretend to be a principled pacifist.
@@idimo7976
> "I disagree with Destiny proposing possible practical issues (what if the opposition think they're right, etc) as retorts to the idea of having political violence/repression as a tool in your political toolbelt."
I'm sorry, but this is just flat out wrong. Destiny's not proposing practical issues as retorts to having political violence as a tool in your toolbelt, he's proposing it because when they were talking about de-platforming conservatives, when Destiny said:
"But there are a lot of people that would argue that if we could de-platform from them from as many places as possible that that would lead to good"
this kid agreed, and when Destiny pushed him on that and just asked:
"But then if they think the same about you how do you resolve that disagreement?"
the kid just says "some of us are right and some of us are wrong." (which, if you read between the lines, basically means I'm right and they are wrong)
and when Destiny asked, well, how do you figure out who's right or wrong, the kid basically said:
"Well, if I believe someone is wrong I can appeal to like inter-subjective ideas about like what morality is or should be."
This doesn't work because, in politics, everyone believes they are correct in supporting the causes they support. It doesn't matter if they are objectively right or not, *subjectively, or from their own perspective, they're right, and by this kid's logic, just because I, from my own perspective, or *subjectively think that the causes you support are causing harm, I should be able to get you expelled if you are still in school, fired if you have a job, and basically have your name be dragged through the mud, because, from my perspective I was right in doing so.
> ""Overriding meta morals" seems like BS. Few "believe" in the current government or law, we just accept it because the system we live under can accommodate our basic material needs."
I'll just quote Destiny here (the Christian / Muslim hypothetical) :
"If a Muslim and a Christian get into an ethical disagreement with one another then they need to appeal to the state to resolve that disagreement. That's where my justification comes from for why we have to have a meta rule system or meta-narrative that's why law exists it's because sometimes two people will have a moral disagreement and the way that it's settled is to look to the law." (Now to preface this, I don't believe this is his ****only**** justification as to why law exists.)
And i do agree that this third system, as bad as you might think it is, needs to exist because if it didn't, everyone would be free to enact whatever violence they deem is correct on anyone they disagree with about anything.
And as a last thing, I think (and I might be wrong here) that you misunderstood Destiny about "Overriding meta morals". While sure, you might have some people that would say "Oh, the law is 100% correct in every case possible with no exceptions" I don't think that Destiny agrees with that, or, frankly, most of the world's population. I think that Destiny would more agree with something along the lines of
"Not all overriding meta morals are law, but basically all law is overriding meta morals." At least when it came to most regular people. (I'm not talking about corporate law and all the bullshit that goes on in there, just the law that affects the citizens.)
Basically those overriding meta-morals would be something along the lines of: "You can't just kill people that disagree with you, you can't steal things that aren't yours, etc...", which is law already but as stated above, that's fine.
If you got this far, thanks for reading all of this, and I apologize that this came out as long as it did, I'm running on basically no sleep for the last couple of days, and English isn't my main language, so this could've probably been written more concisely, and most likely without some grammatical errors I overlooked.
@@stevanmilovanovic9128 "This does not work because everyone in politics believe they are correct... ...According to this kid I should be able to..."
Neither the kid nor I made any rules of engagement that apply to you or anyone that isn't a political ally. Since you are not commenting on practical concerns, I believe that you are under the mistaken belief that the rules we make for ourselves must also apply to our opponents. They do not.
No moral disagreements are settled by the state. When legal matters are decided, there is nothing about the court that would change anyone's mind on the topic of morality. It doesn't resolve the disagreement, only the conflict. Laws and the state exist as a practical necessity that is imposed on people. Like all political matters, it has no inherent connection to morality.
States resolve conflicts between domestic parties, they have no effect on morality. When people say "you can't just steal" they are either making a practical observation about it being an ill-advised discision or a moral statement detached from the law. If someone agrees with the law it is by coincidence.
How do you honestly have a good faith debate with someone like this? "Everything I like is right" it boils down to a discussion with a small child. Destiny rightly says that would create chaos...then the debate circles back to the same point again.
The first major L was debating a literal child femboy about political violence to begin with. What did you expect. The least intimidating and competent person imaginable speaking on matters he has no experience with. This is what you get.
As long as _they_ engage in good faith it's easy.
@@robertcross9047 not sure why you are assuming them being a femboy (Im just going to assume you aren't lying) would make anything they say less true. The literal child part can be slightly justifiably but how is being a femboy even slightly relevant to political violence in a negative way
@@swordyshield because femboys are weak like women and would be easily killed in a war lol
the fact that you didn't intuitively know this proves how r tarded modern discourse can be
@@swordyshield if you think this kid will be booting down doors I got a bridge to sell you
“Sucks to be you, I’ll force you to take a needle”
“But I’m a libertarian”
This level of cognitive dissonance is what leads to mental illness
"I don't know what Gundam Wing is"
The absolute state of zoomers. They're lost. Why would I listen to any of them now
Is this an example of the cycle that leads to actual large scale violence historically. One side pushes far enough that the other retaliates, believing (maybe rightly) that it's now an existential threat.
Karen Stenner has a book on the topic, think it's called the Authoritarian Dynamic. I need to refresh my knowledge of it, but might get you going.
Except no one is pushing hard enough on the right to even remotely justify violence. The Left has all of the institutional power in America, and to pretend otherwise is just revolutionary larping.
kids like this WOULD be an existential threat to my side (moderate), if they weren't now brain rotted and leashed to the internet, its that simple, if this many people were radicalized and actually went outside, we'd have already had small uprising events across the east and west coast.
Casts a whole new light on a lot of historical events seeing the next repeat play out in real time and on the internet, doesn't it?
@@factandsuspicionpodcast2727 I was thinking the left is the one really pushing. Media and various tech platforms, but also guys like this. If more violence happens, which this guy is advocating, the right might see them as an existential threat. That just leaves the door wide open to each side moving quickly to more extreme leaders, and large scale violence would follow.
Thos basically boils down to " I have already made the decision that people need to die for disagreeing with my central tenets but I am concerned that I might look abit fashy while I do it"
if only he had to push "start" on that battle and his, and his theoretical opponents side immediately exchanged blows like a tactical RPG, and he could know exactly how out muscled and gunned he is with his hated enemy.
Kieth Woods: "russian" oligarchs.
Igor Kolomoisky.
Great russian famine, Holodomor, Famine in Khazakhstan, Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda, Aron Solts, Filipp Goloshchyokin, Yakov Yurovsky, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Naftaly Frenkel, Salomon Morel, Helena Brus.
This guy; I'm a moral anti-realist.
This guy 10 seconds later; I think its justified to harm conservatives because their morals are wrong.
This guys understanding of self defence is so confusing. He seems to treat it less about a victim defending themself from harm and more treats it as some punishment for the agressor, there doesnt need to be immediate threat of harm youre defending against... there just needs to be an agressor. Its no wonder he sees political violence as justified
Exactly right, people lose self defense cases simply because they had opportunities to walk away and disengage. Mutual combat is not self defense.
"How do I look, Destiny?"
"You look like you’re about to tell your friend not to come to school tomorrow, man!"
This is what happens when you learn about politics through Twitter memes
I wanna know how much this kid can bench. He’s going on and on about how we wants to be able to attack people that disagree with him, but I’d wager he couldn’t even do 10 pushups
There isn't a chance in hell that he has ever been in a fight and won. Just lefty rich kids that haven't had to fight for a meal in their lives. People like him are proving that the left is basically just middle class and rich college kids.
the best part about being an insecure teenager is that you can see less insecure teenagers make poor arguments and learn from their mistakes instead of your own
(no slight to this guy though, i appreciate the conversation that was had)
"But they are wrong"
Lol, rofl, lmao
I'm right, they're wrong, let's get violent and call it tolerance 🤣🤣🤣
You'd be surprised how many people approach politics in this way.
I recently read a comment that said "being anti-SJW is a good thing" and that was it. They didn't even substiante why.
@@theobell2002 Do you expect people to give full elaborations of their opinions in every comment? This guy had literally 1.5 hours to explain himself and he never got past the point of "I am right / they are wrong"
@@Thematic2177 If you claim your position is the "correct" one then you have to substiante why. Otherwise don't say anything at all.
@@theobell2002 This is true in an actual debate, or when writing a a book, but you can't seriously demand that people substantiate and elaborate their positions in every fucking RUclips comment
All i can think of during this conversation is that there should be requirements to vote. His attitude makes open voting seem even scarier
"...oh Jesus" at the end. Rofl
Lol the "I am morally right" argument is pretty God damn weak 🤣
To be fair though Destiny's pushback early on was very weak. He essentially argued that if doing the right thing unfairly favors one political side then it shouldn't be done. For example, the way he argued it implied that if giving women the rights to vote was favored by one party because the end result would favor that party much more than the other in the same way abolishing the electoral college would or Puerto Rico statehood would, each increase democratic representation, then he would object to it. That would be an insane argument.
@@aylio3745 I'm pretty sure he meant that the outcome could be good, but that that doesn't mean your personal motives for achieving it are good too. As an example of how people use their influence in politics these days.
@@nighthawk2548 I recall the context being at this stage one of authoritarian power politics. Essentially one about the ends not justifying the means. Except in this case the means he brought up would be good ends in and of themselves if you value a strong democracy as Destiny does. If giving Puerto Rico democratic representation via statehood is being proposed to help democrats then so be it. The ends don't justify the means argument is a morally right argument but this was a bad/weak context to use it. If all he wanted to do was call out the motivations as you said, cause that is where it eventually went for a bit, I think he should find a better way to do it. I may follow back later after a relisten. I could have heard the argument wrong but it was shocking to hear him to bundle all of those examples in with his argument against the arguments behind packing the courts and support for raw power politics.
24:35 GOD I love it when destiny just explains his opponent’s argument better than they can lol
"wait what was I trying to say?" Destiny: "you were saying x makes y so z" him: "holy shit yes exactly! Yeah yeah exactly this" destiny: "so here's nine ways why you're wrong"
"It isn't that beating or killing people to create a better world is wrong... it is just that it is bad optics" - The most democratic person in the world.
This one was hard. This was basically a long argument about people not being able to agree universally on a moral framework. And the opponents default position was basically, "I think I have good reasons for my opinion, therefore I am right and we can enact violence on those who disagree because they are wrong because them having an opinion opposite of mine is violence towards me."
This kid is actually emblematic of the online left.
He's just an exaggerated caricature of what all liberals are though.
@@robertcross9047 in that they think their policies and beliefs are correct, yes that's true.
@@ianbenjiman not just in that, in that they behave more or less like he does, he's just being more extreme about it, most liberals are snitches to the fbi and proponents of the current system and work with it to target innocent people
@@ianbenjiman Lmao, the irony
@@fifiadan I'm not sure if he calls himself like a liberal or a leftist or anything but I'm conservative and can tell you that Destiny is on the left side of the spectrum, but debates people "on his side" just as much as he debates people on the right. A big reason why I respect and watch him, he's not afraid to challenge other people on the left
TLDR: Debating if fascism is really fascism.
Result: You can't be a fascist, only others can.
I just got done watching the full hour and a half and holy shit this is the best TLDR I think I’ve ever seen in my life because it is literally 100% accurate And summarizes the entire hour and a half yet only takes up less than two sentences👏👏👏👏
how is he a fascist?
@@francisxavier8374 did you just not pay attention to the video at all? You don’t even need to watch the whole thing.
@@francisxavier8374 because his own ideology is correct and everyone who disagree is wrong and should be silenced
@@francisxavier8374
He wants a dictatorship
This kid scares the shit out of me and the fact that he has a following greater than his immediate family, scares me even more.
What’s the kid’s handle?
Might makes right is a terrible spot for the modern progressive. They don’t know the pain that would come from their moral framework.
Its very simple, some people have simply never been punched in the face, and get weird ideas about violence, and their capacity to inflict it, and MORE importantly, their ability to absorb it, people like this don't need to experience hard violence, but a solid punch in the face is very grounding and helps you realize your limits, its not even the pain that they need to experience, its the lack of ability to respond back.
Couldn't agree more. The Internet is filled with people like this.
As someone who has been punched in the face for having a big mouth when I was younger- I can confirm that you are correct.