Bobby has my New Century and for good reason, I wanted the best possible restoration the old girl could get. And, he did steer me away from adding the PPC barrel and sights - LOL.
Not only is he the best out there but a wise enough businessman as to not just " give away " his best secrets . Truly an amazing craftsman and gunsmith .
One day after a big rain...we got some water in the basement...my gun safe is down there. All the water was gone when I got home so I thought it was minimal. Turned out it was six inches. It got into my safe. The only lasting damage was to my Colt Diamondback .22 6". It sat in a wet holster for two days. Mostly OK but has some damage to the barrel and cylinder. I think I need to contact Tyler's Gun Works
Fully refinishing a firearm for use makes sense. For a collector, the less that's done the better the value. Abuse and being mechanically unsafe is generally unacceptable to many put old guns under glass. Customary use and wear is expected. Rareness and condition are keys to valuation.
I bought a rg 14 from a friend cuz her kid began climbing and she just wanted out. 25 bucks. It cheap and perfect for restori ng....it shoots perfect and will make for good practice restoring. You can buy one brand new for like 90$ today lol.
Who's value? It's your firearm, do what makes you happy, gives value to you. You will not ruin history nor will you get rich from a small collection that you enjoy.
@@alexjoseph8363 well im no bubba and have never bubba'd anything. Im a machinist and heavy equipment mechanic with a degree in diesel technology. Respectfully, my only point is in regards to refinishing and restoring. That is who sets the standard? I believe it to be the owner of said firearm. They aluded to it near the end of the video that anything with real historical value should not be altered. I agree. But for most of us that is not even an issue. Smart is in the eye of the beholder ( hopfully not BEER holder). Sorry this is somewhat lengthy but its just my opinion that nobody should be shamed for rebluing their favorite old firearm.
Hot caustic blue does not look like the original blueing they used, but I'm not a big fan of the super glossy blue on S&W and Colts. I prefer rust blue, done right.
When I’m thinking about restoring a firearm the question I ask is “Is leaving it in its current condition going to continue to cause it to degrade over time?”
A question to you gentlemen about an antique gun with no finish left, but rusty and worn. I just bought an 1858 Starr army revolver with no patina, just a worn unpleasing, slightly pitted mess. Is there any way to gently polish it, getting a uniform bright metal look, but apply a finish (not bluing) that mimics the shiny slightly rust-colored patina many old vintage firearms have for looks and protection? At the very least, shiny but protected anyway. I have always admired guns that have that old shiny brownish finish when there is no bluing left.
I own my grandfather's old colt 1911 made back in 1952 chambered in super 38 should I get it restored? I really like the years it shows on it but I also have to keep it very well oiled so it won't rust in a few spots
Best address the rusting issue before it turns into iron cancer. My philosophy is to maintain the functionality and preserve the current state if it has intrinsic or sentimental value in it's current "patina".
Alex joseph Thanks for all the advice and links so you don't think it has more value in its current patina? From what my grandfather has told me he carried this through the Korean War but it has no military markings designating it an issued firearm though I did look up and find some officers which he was would be given rarely a colt 1911 in Super.38 instead of the traditional chambered colts idk if it's true with what he told me but cool story either way maybe he was one of those officers that did get it. And for the rust I did get it taken care of it was mostly the groves in the backstrap/plunger piece can't remember it's name and was in the serations on the slide they no longer rust though I always keep preserving oil on it very lightly brushed on
I did one in my shop that you would not normally want to restore because of its rarity . I mean rarity ,especially in this country. A lot of people are posting on here that they need to see how to. No they don't . Restoration is an art, and you can look at someone all you want and still don't know what you are doing. My latest restore job was on a Remington rolling block #4 .
I’ve got an old rust bucket side by side 12ga that was my paw paws, first gun I ever shot, paw paw didn’t like it, it was a Christmas present from gram, NO markings at all, all I know is she bought it from sears&roebuck, just can’t seem to bring myself to have it redone,every time I talk myself into it, I convince myself it’ll look good as is hanging on da wall🤔🤔🤔
Also what city is this guy located in. I might need to get a restoration job done on a winchester 1894 made in 1919. Its chambered for 30 wcf. Which we all know as the 30-30.
Since i was old enough to buy guns i would buy cheap pistols or rifles or shotguns from pawn shops and hand polish them back to life. Im almost 40 now and im decent at it. Though now i buy nicer used guns to polish back to life. No matter who owned it before me, it will be one of mine after i own it. And probably not, but maybe somebody one day will take intrest in the guns i have touched over the years.
I have a Remington model 11 that needs a new blueing job. I was interested in getting a bluing with the bright blue color similar to what my Uberti Winchester 1866 has but I’m not sure what that would be called.
How do you guys figure out how valuable a weapon is? I'm new to this and have a .44 spl I want to blue. But I'm not sure if I should. How do I find out if the weapon has value?
I have a lugar and live in Puerto Rico and decades of storage gave it some surface rust spots but overall look incredible and by taking it out the rust spots will make it like new, any tips or should I just send it to a professional?
I'd have it appraised first. Learn what it is. Simpson's in Galesburg, IL is one of the top experts in lugers. They don't do restorations or sell parts but lugers are their area of expertise. Learn what you have then decide what you want to do. Don't sink a small fortune in a cheap parts gun or cheap resto into high dollar rare gun unless thats what you want to do. Educate your self first and the last thing you do in the process is get the work done.
@@paulbeck6410 thanks, I have looked at a luger catalog and have deduced that its a 1933-36 guard lugar with the secret nazi stampings but there are some contradictory stampings. Other than some rust spots, its almost like new and still has the original bluing.
@@ricardojustiniano4942 I'd still talk to Simpson's. They live and breath lugers. They have literally written the book on lugers. Expert appraisal is usually worth it. Refinishing it can literally drop the value by hugh amounts.
Sad really. I've got a brand new Colt SAA clone that I want to end up looking like the one on the left. How do I get from new and blue to that wonderful patina?
I have a 110 year old single barrel 12 gage, it’s made by Stevens for a store called ST Louis central arms, it’s a family heirloom,after 110 years of being in my family the tip of the firing pin snapped off, do you guys or any one reading this have advise on where I can get a new firing pin made
I have a Virginian Dragoon and I'd like to have it reblued . How can I find someone in the Tampa Florida area. I honestly don't know how to find someone. Can you please give me an idea of how to find someone 👍
Oh I say to each his own if you have an old gun and you want to fix it up and make it better go ahead I don’t care what the collectors say they don’t even shoot their guns just keep them locked in the safe. Guns were made to be shot hunted with and used. I love to buy an old gun that’s never been shot and go out and use it.
Whether it's antique guns, classic cars or vintage bicycles, leaving things original is always best. Don't...touch it with abrasives. Using a 50/50 mix of vinegar and water will remove all rust without damaging paint or bluing. Wash off acid with water. A completely redone, like new restoration completely destroys the value of anything to me. Patina is priceless, taking 50 to 100 years to build up. Please don't erase that! You are ruining the thing!
Sounds like you weren't happy with a job. Could you please elaborate on your experience? I'm currently trying to find a reliable gunsmith for a family heirloom.
@@billbrasky527 I sent a very expensive rare gun for light rust fix inside near the chamber and a few deep Knicks on the outside. Communication was next to non existing unlike you spoke with his wife which could only give the answer "I don't know" to every question. He was backed up which I understand at all places but the day I was told it was shipped back it was still "curing". Upon arrival the gun was put in a far to big box with no protection padding nothing. It was free to slide around and given how shippers are that's a no go. The gun had been tossed around so much not only was there new deep scratch and indentations everything(down to bare metal, almost puncture like) but it actually busted out of the box so bad I didn't have to open it, I just pulled it out the hole. I made several contacts to the shipping company used & there was a not that the pick up driver sent as he didn't want held liable for damage claims as he picked up the box that way and even took pictures. I was already fuming but figured outside could just be camo coated worst case. Then when I checked out "the work" it was basically a rattle can blotchy mess that could literally be finger wiped off. The gun no joke came back 3 times worse then when it shipped. I took it to a local Cera coating guy who was stunned and call him to see what the deal was with the coating type & job. Once he finally got on the phone he admitted he had no clue how to fix it so he just spot sprayed the Walmart camo rattle can claiming he was over worked wasn't get paid enough, didn't do that kind of work and that "he knows a stupid gun owner who would never know the or see difference after a few hundred" rounds" the gun was delayed roller so hopefully you can see why I tried to send it to a professional. When I called him out in posts a day showing his "quality" of work he & or employees harassed every post them claimed I never sent it to them. It became the most expensive and unprofessional thing I've yet to ever experience in the 2a community. the same local guy fixed all of Tylers work and it's still solid after 6 years almost 10k rounds and looks like factory. Even the manufacturer was consulted over this and we're shocked at Tylers work and how well the local guys turned out they've even put recommendation on their website. He also qouted a price range & charged 3 times his qoute being well aware of the job so it's not like he saw it and got unexpected repairs. Sorry I quick typed this and still to this day gets me a bit heated. If you have further questions or details please feel free to let me know. My review may still be on his Google with pictures before, after him & final from local repairs
@@dodgersfnshepard8673 damn! Thanks for sharing your story. Sorry you had to deal with that, it sounds really frustrating. I vaguely recall Clint Smith over at Thunder Ranch mention someone that he trusts to do work. I am going to have to dig through some of his videos to find it.
We need to see Bobby in action. Can you do a tour of his shop?
It's amazing that folks have to be reminded about heritage👍👍👌
Great subject matter - and it's always great seeing Bobby Tyler!
Thanks for the video, gave me the courage to bubba another all-matching SKS.
Atta boy
Its yours do as you wish. Post pics
It better be an East German one.
@@MisterCheemfnope, luckily just Albanian.
Bobby has my New Century and for good reason, I wanted the best possible restoration the old girl could get. And, he did steer me away from adding the PPC barrel and sights - LOL.
My brother did a restoration on a Mauser from WW1. It actually sits in a museum in NE Washington state now. It was too tedious for me.
Check out Mark Novak for an example of what restoration process looks like.
His gun truck was a mess!
Not only is he the best out there but a wise enough businessman as to not just " give away " his best secrets . Truly an amazing craftsman and gunsmith .
That is one pretty revolver, a deep blue like that brings back a lot of memories. Very good work.
Thanks for watching!
@@brownells do you have a video showing the steps of this process?
One day after a big rain...we got some water in the basement...my gun safe is down there. All the water was gone when I got home so I thought it was minimal. Turned out it was six inches. It got into my safe. The only lasting damage was to my Colt Diamondback .22 6". It sat in a wet holster for two days. Mostly OK but has some damage to the barrel and cylinder. I think I need to contact Tyler's Gun Works
Fully refinishing a firearm for use makes sense. For a collector, the less that's done the better the value. Abuse and being mechanically unsafe is generally unacceptable to many put old guns under glass. Customary use and wear is expected. Rareness and condition are keys to valuation.
I bought a rg 14 from a friend cuz her kid began climbing and she just wanted out. 25 bucks. It cheap and perfect for restori ng....it shoots perfect and will make for good practice restoring. You can buy one brand new for like 90$ today lol.
Who's value? It's your firearm, do what makes you happy, gives value to you. You will not ruin history nor will you get rich from a small collection that you enjoy.
@@alexjoseph8363 well im no bubba and have never bubba'd anything. Im a machinist and heavy equipment mechanic with a degree in diesel technology. Respectfully, my only point is in regards to refinishing and restoring. That is who sets the standard? I believe it to be the owner of said firearm. They aluded to it near the end of the video that anything with real historical value should not be altered. I agree. But for most of us that is not even an issue. Smart is in the eye of the beholder ( hopfully not BEER holder). Sorry this is somewhat lengthy but its just my opinion that nobody should be shamed for rebluing their favorite old firearm.
Have a pre b cz75 was missing sight and broken grip
Modified 1911 peg to fit front post and replaced grips cleaned it up been looking into refinishing
Hot caustic blue does not look like the original blueing they used, but I'm not a big fan of the super glossy blue on S&W and Colts. I prefer rust blue, done right.
When I’m thinking about restoring a firearm the question I ask is “Is leaving it in its current condition going to continue to cause it to degrade over time?”
A question to you gentlemen about an antique gun with no finish left, but rusty and worn. I just bought an 1858 Starr army revolver with no patina, just a worn unpleasing, slightly pitted mess. Is there any way to gently polish it, getting a uniform bright metal look, but apply a finish (not bluing) that mimics the shiny slightly rust-colored patina many old vintage firearms have for looks and protection? At the very least, shiny but protected anyway. I have always admired guns that have that old shiny brownish finish when there is no bluing left.
I own my grandfather's old colt 1911 made back in 1952 chambered in super 38 should I get it restored? I really like the years it shows on it but I also have to keep it very well oiled so it won't rust in a few spots
Best address the rusting issue before it turns into iron cancer. My philosophy is to maintain the functionality and preserve the current state if it has intrinsic or sentimental value in it's current "patina".
Alex joseph Thanks for all the advice and links so you don't think it has more value in its current patina? From what my grandfather has told me he carried this through the Korean War but it has no military markings designating it an issued firearm though I did look up and find some officers which he was would be given rarely a colt 1911 in Super.38 instead of the traditional chambered colts idk if it's true with what he told me but cool story either way maybe he was one of those officers that did get it. And for the rust I did get it taken care of it was mostly the groves in the backstrap/plunger piece can't remember it's name and was in the serations on the slide they no longer rust though I always keep preserving oil on it very lightly brushed on
Great video thank you for sharing
Thank you for watching!
GREAT video!
Thanks for watching!
Does Tyler's shop take apprentices? I'm old enough to now to do such a thing.
I did one in my shop that you would not normally want to restore because of its rarity . I mean rarity ,especially in this country. A lot of people are posting on here that they need to see how to. No they don't . Restoration is an art, and you can look at someone all you want and still don't know what you are doing. My latest restore job was on a Remington rolling block #4 .
Informative vid, good advice
Thanks for watching!
I’ve got an old rust bucket side by side 12ga that was my paw paws, first gun I ever shot, paw paw didn’t like it, it was a Christmas present from gram, NO markings at all, all I know is she bought it from sears&roebuck, just can’t seem to bring myself to have it redone,every time I talk myself into it, I convince myself it’ll look good as is hanging on da wall🤔🤔🤔
I think it’s that way for a reason. Display it proudly
Also what city is this guy located in. I might need to get a restoration job done on a winchester 1894 made in 1919. Its chambered for 30 wcf. Which we all know as the 30-30.
I went to high school in Tyler...attended gun shows at the old oil pallace serveral times
Since i was old enough to buy guns i would buy cheap pistols or rifles or shotguns from pawn shops and hand polish them back to life. Im almost 40 now and im decent at it. Though now i buy nicer used guns to polish back to life. No matter who owned it before me, it will be one of mine after i own it. And probably not, but maybe somebody one day will take intrest in the guns i have touched over the years.
Heck, I'd like to own a round butt 19. Yes, please. Great vid, guys.
I have an Enfield No. 2, Mk 1** that is functionally in good order but the finish is gone in a lot of areas. Is it worth refinishing?
How does one know if it'd make sense to refinish an antique revolver or pistol before putting it up for sale?
I have a Remington model 11 that needs a new blueing job. I was interested in getting a bluing with the bright blue color similar to what my Uberti Winchester 1866 has but I’m not sure what that would be called.
How do you guys figure out how valuable a weapon is? I'm new to this and have a .44 spl I want to blue. But I'm not sure if I should. How do I find out if the weapon has value?
Patina = History. No way in hell will my S&W Hand Eject ever get refinished.
What cost could I expect to bring back an old S&W to as factory new condition?
$500+ , just go get one in good shape instead of buying a $400 piece and dump another $500 in it
@@alexjoseph8363 yeah but they no longer support older guns, all their services are for current productions
I have a lugar and live in Puerto Rico and decades of storage gave it some surface rust spots but overall look incredible and by taking it out the rust spots will make it like new, any tips or should I just send it to a professional?
I'd have it appraised first. Learn what it is. Simpson's in Galesburg, IL is one of the top experts in lugers. They don't do restorations or sell parts but lugers are their area of expertise. Learn what you have then decide what you want to do. Don't sink a small fortune in a cheap parts gun or cheap resto into high dollar rare gun unless thats what you want to do. Educate your self first and the last thing you do in the process is get the work done.
@@paulbeck6410 thanks, I have looked at a luger catalog and have deduced that its a 1933-36 guard lugar with the secret nazi stampings but there are some contradictory stampings. Other than some rust spots, its almost like new and still has the original bluing.
@@ricardojustiniano4942 I'd still talk to Simpson's. They live and breath lugers. They have literally written the book on lugers. Expert appraisal is usually worth it. Refinishing it can literally drop the value by hugh amounts.
Sad really. I've got a brand new Colt SAA clone that I want to end up looking like the one on the left. How do I get from new and blue to that wonderful patina?
I have a 110 year old single barrel 12 gage, it’s made by Stevens for a store called ST Louis central arms, it’s a family heirloom,after 110 years of being in my family the tip of the firing pin snapped off, do you guys or any one reading this have advise on where I can get a new firing pin made
Is Dad’s 1942 Springfield M1 Garand a good candidate?
I would say yes. But, saying that. There are some rarer than others. I would get it restored if it needed it.
Think you
Good Video.
Thanks for watching!
I thought they were going to actually do it live
Just the tips!
I have a Virginian Dragoon and I'd like to have it reblued . How can I find someone in the Tampa Florida area. I honestly don't know how to find someone. Can you please give me an idea of how to find someone 👍
Oh I say to each his own if you have an old gun and you want to fix it up and make it better go ahead I don’t care what the collectors say they don’t even shoot their guns just keep them locked in the safe. Guns were made to be shot hunted with and used. I love to buy an old gun that’s never been shot and go out and use it.
Can you give me a ball park figure about what it cost to have a revolver done , it’s not in bad shape just some blueing is gone
Sometimes it's just about saving the firearm. I hate it when it's to pretty to use.
is it wise to blue a gun that is 122 yrs. old
I'm in the same boat, buddy. Settled on a 1905 S&W
Where are you finding 150 dollar revolvers?
Do the maintenance. Otherwise your super rare safe queen will turn into a pile of orange dust.
Dang, Caleb got old.
He is a classic best left as is !
🙂☕👍
Whether it's antique guns, classic cars or vintage bicycles, leaving things original is always best. Don't...touch it with abrasives. Using a 50/50 mix of vinegar and water will remove all rust without damaging paint or bluing. Wash off acid with water. A completely redone, like new restoration completely destroys the value of anything to me. Patina is priceless, taking 50 to 100 years to build up. Please don't erase that! You are ruining the thing!
I was hoping this was a restoration video, not a video talking about IF you should
Sorry to disappoint...
@@brownells not disappointed. Ya'll make quality videos. But a restoration video with tips and tricks would be greatly appreciated
Re bluing destroys the value of almost every gun.
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That has nothing to do with gun restoration though ...
@@johnny-james if Biden shuts down NICS and you can't buy or own a gun it matters
@@johnny-james It's just spam.
@@Ni999 Why are there so many commies on a gun channel?
Hand Polishing is based. Rebluing is cringe
Tyler gun works is complete trash! DO NOT SEND HIM YOUR GUNS!
Sounds like you weren't happy with a job. Could you please elaborate on your experience? I'm currently trying to find a reliable gunsmith for a family heirloom.
@@billbrasky527 I sent a very expensive rare gun for light rust fix inside near the chamber and a few deep Knicks on the outside. Communication was next to non existing unlike you spoke with his wife which could only give the answer "I don't know" to every question. He was backed up which I understand at all places but the day I was told it was shipped back it was still "curing". Upon arrival the gun was put in a far to big box with no protection padding nothing. It was free to slide around and given how shippers are that's a no go. The gun had been tossed around so much not only was there new deep scratch and indentations everything(down to bare metal, almost puncture like) but it actually busted out of the box so bad I didn't have to open it, I just pulled it out the hole. I made several contacts to the shipping company used & there was a not that the pick up driver sent as he didn't want held liable for damage claims as he picked up the box that way and even took pictures. I was already fuming but figured outside could just be camo coated worst case. Then when I checked out "the work" it was basically a rattle can blotchy mess that could literally be finger wiped off. The gun no joke came back 3 times worse then when it shipped. I took it to a local Cera coating guy who was stunned and call him to see what the deal was with the coating type & job. Once he finally got on the phone he admitted he had no clue how to fix it so he just spot sprayed the Walmart camo rattle can claiming he was over worked wasn't get paid enough, didn't do that kind of work and that "he knows a stupid gun owner who would never know the or see difference after a few hundred" rounds" the gun was delayed roller so hopefully you can see why I tried to send it to a professional. When I called him out in posts a day showing his "quality" of work he & or employees harassed every post them claimed I never sent it to them. It became the most expensive and unprofessional thing I've yet to ever experience in the 2a community.
the same local guy fixed all of Tylers work and it's still solid after 6 years almost 10k rounds and looks like factory. Even the manufacturer was consulted over this and we're shocked at Tylers work and how well the local guys turned out they've even put recommendation on their website. He also qouted a price range & charged 3 times his qoute being well aware of the job so it's not like he saw it and got unexpected repairs.
Sorry I quick typed this and still to this day gets me a bit heated. If you have further questions or details please feel free to let me know. My review may still be on his Google with pictures before, after him & final from local repairs
@@dodgersfnshepard8673 damn! Thanks for sharing your story. Sorry you had to deal with that, it sounds really frustrating. I vaguely recall Clint Smith over at Thunder Ranch mention someone that he trusts to do work. I am going to have to dig through some of his videos to find it.
sorry but this video was a little useless. at least for me. title was a little misleading.